Beware the Fat Man in Red (Game Over: Village Wins!)

[mauchow]

Being this quiet toward the end..not sure what to think about that.

[Abe Sargent]

Your Abe is back for a bit :)

[Zinto]

So right now it is between Autumn and no one? I don't have a really good feel on anything but between the three that have votes I think I am going to vote for Mau even though I do not feel great about it. I just think that Abe's reveal is more legit then CRs and I am not following him onto Autumn and I do not think it is time to vote out Abe or CR.

Vote Mau

[Abe Sargent]

JAG
Abe kept his vote on Autumn all day, until finally switching to Simbo Klice in the rush to save GE.

So I believe the last wolf is Autumn.

VOTE AUTUMN

I did not lie when i said it was the result of a roll. That's outside the game (rolling the die) and I don;t believe in lying about that in a thread. No one should know that amount me more than you and I'm disappointed that your logic or lack thereof led you to that conclusion. I rolled a d12, and I got a 9.

[JAG]

So first thought, both BG reveals interestingly don't mention protecting GE night 1, which would seem to be the obvious story to tell if you want to make up a lie. Either way, that seems to indicate that the wolves in fact did not attack GE that night and it lends more credence to the idea that those who were around at deadline N1 are not overly likely to be wolves with the idea that when you have a revealed seer in your lap, you take a shot at him and hope the BG isn't around, or if he is around, at least you have the BG pretty well narrowed down and should be able to take out the seer N2.

Now, that's what I would see as optimal strategy, but of course that doesn't necessarily mean that the wolves followed that. Still, that's at least a point in favor of DT leaning ok.

[JAG]

The question I keep coming back to in my head is what is the motivation for whichever player made the fake reveal to reveal here as they did? (just posting this as I keep re-reading)

[Abe Sargent]

The question I keep coming back to in my head is what is the motivation for whichever player made the fake reveal to reveal here as they did? (just posting this as I keep re-reading)


I believe that CR saw he was in a shrinking circle as we tended to buy DT's theory about who were the wolves. With people leaving mau alone and with both CF and britrock known quantities, people were looking at either Autumn or CR< so perhaps he wanted to come out before me. I was not intending on revealing today, no matter what other people said in teh thread. People tend to believe the first person in these things.

[Abe Sargent]

Forgot to add, plus there's the chance others mention that CR is the Cultist and just playing havoc here. I come out, get people to vote against me, and then force them to kill him tomorrow and he gives his partners another two night kills and finds out who the BG is. It's not a bad play, ut I'm willing to reveal to get either the Cultist or the wolf since the game has been going well so far.

[JAG]

It's kind of weird that CR is in a hurry to reveal and get us the important information that he didn't guard anyone night 1, and then basically nothing useful came out of that information. What was the point in revealing that info then?

[JAG]

This is one of the toughest votes I can remember having in my WW career.

[JAG]

And almost no one's around. Pretty sure this won't end well. My gut says Autumn is ok. Objectively I feel like mau is ok or maybe is the skeptic.

[DaddyTorgo]

And almost no one's around. Pretty sure this won't end well. My gut says Autumn is ok. Objectively I feel like mau is ok or maybe is the skeptic.

Then who does your gut say is the other wolf? CR (and Abe is ok?)

[DaddyTorgo]

My guy says that I'm getting NK'd tonight - feel like I've been an active and vocal voice for the village, so they've got to be looking in my direction...

[mauchow]

I ain't no wolf.

[JAG]

Yeah, my best guess is CR. He tries to avoid an Autumn-CR runoff knowing he loses in two days like that. If that's true though, then Abe can guard him tonight and prevent a kill (assuming he goes that route).

[mauchow]

I ain't no skeptic either.

[JAG]

So it's risky from him, but maybe he thinks he'll get people thinking he's the cultist and avoid getting a vote. I think that's kind of clever.

[JAG]

What are we at? Autumn 3, mau 2?

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, my best guess is CR. He tries to avoid an Autumn-CR runoff knowing he loses in two days like that. If that's true though, then Abe can guard him tonight and prevent a kill (assuming he goes that route).

Or he's just the skeptic trying to sow confusion and somebody else is the wolf...

[JAG]

I can't vote mau and tie it up. I don't feel great about either he or Autumn anyway.

[JAG]

I missed that Abe had a vote on CR, so CR revealed under duress too, which makes it more suspect.

[DaddyTorgo]

deadline

[JAG]

At least I made up for not posting much today within this last hour.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't feel good about this

[Abe Sargent]

Just gotta hope that Autumn is randomyl the wolf and CR is teh Cultist.

[britrock88]

...quiet in here...

[Abe Sargent]

...quiet in here...

Maybe we can stare into a bathroom mirror and intone the name of EagleFan and he will arrive!

[Abe Sargent]

An Article Never Published about a Tragedy Eerily Similar to the Chiefs - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=86111)

[EagleFan]

Here, calculating the votes.

[EagleFan]

Looks like Autumn is the selection if I counted correctly. Give me a moment to review.

[Abe Sargent]

Assuming we are still playing tomorrow, I want to push CR.

[EagleFan]

You made your choice and now you must live with it. You find Autumn and he struggles but you eventually subdue him.

You must be the last one. We will have a wonderful holiday season with you gone.

Then you notice the pointy ears. Autumn was an elf.

You have eliminated the evil that was ruining the season. You may now enjoy your holiday season.

Then it hits you....

...who is going to give you gifts now?

[Autumn]

Sorry I didn't get back to post. I got my wife to watch Dark Knight Rises and damn that movie's long.

[Autumn]

Enjoy your lumps of coal you bastards!

[Autumn]

Thanks for the game, EF. I feel like I messed it up at two points. Just this evening, if I had been around more I might have been able to sway the vote. It would be hard to get farther than that, but maybe it would have worked. And then night one I really wish I had been in thread and switched that kill.

[EagleFan]

Sorry, that game didn't go as I would have liked. I was too tied up with work to put as much into it as I wanted.

[EagleFan]

Chief was the sceptic.... but I am certain he will be sceptical about me saying that...








...



Okay, in actuality it was Abe that was the sceptic. Chief was the day one MIA bodyguard.

[Autumn]

What do you think JAG, would I have been able to sway you to Mau you think?

[Abe Sargent]

Wow, we won that one with luck. So Chief was teh Cultist, eh?

[Abe Sargent]

Ahhh didn't see you spoiled that already

[Abe Sargent]

I didn't know who the wolves were until Night one, so i played on Day one like my normal friendly villager and then use any cred to help teh woles.


Wolve,s did you order a Night kill day one or did you forget?

[Autumn]

We thought we knew Abe was Skeptic because we targeted him night one and came back unable to kill him. After CF died it occurred to me that this was simply what a block looked like, and I got a little panicked, but luckily he proved true in the end.

[EagleFan]

Day one was just plain strange. Wolves had their order in early and didn't see GE's reveal before it was too late. No BG block that night so it would have been the perfect chance to eliminate the seer right away.

[Autumn]

Unfortunately I left the thread just long enough to miss the reveal. Would have been a nice night to take out the seer on Night One.

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow, we won that one with luck. So Chief was teh Cultist, eh?

Luck??

No luck played into it. Good analysis.

[Autumn]

This is why we need to play more often. I felt very rusty.

[DaddyTorgo]

Thanks for the game EF.

Maybe we can get some momentum and get some more going again...

[EagleFan]

I tried to make it mysterious enough about not being able to night kill Abe that day so you weren't sure if it was a block or what happened. If you went after him again you would have killed him.

[Abe Sargent]

Day one was just plain strange. Wolves had their order in early and didn't see GE's reveal before it was too late. No BG block that night so it would have been the perfect chance to eliminate the seer right away.

There was no night one kill? Or did they try and kill the guy who was lynched?

[EagleFan]

There was no night one kill? Or did they try and kill the guy who was lynched?

They tried to kill you. If they tried a second time they would have succeeded.

[Autumn]

CF really wanted to kill you Abe. So we tried.

[Autumn]

*points at CrimsonFox*

[Abe Sargent]

They tried to kill you. If they tried a second time they would have succeeded.

SO my lie was correct? Than's jsut wesome! Autumn did you think CR was the Cultist since my lie was true?

[Abe Sargent]

Also, Autumn, did you get my message? It was the first time, ever in WW I've tried to send a message with a post to someone

[Autumn]

SO my lie was correct? Than's jsut wesome! Autumn did you think CR was the Cultist since my lie was true?

No, I was 78% certain already you were the Cultist based on night one, and so I was 100% sure your reveal was fake.

[Autumn]

Also, Autumn, did you get my message? It was the first time, ever in WW I've tried to send a message with a post to someone

No, I didn't! I really want more messages in WW too, so I'm bummed. It only occurred to me later that your vote on me might be a message, but I guess it turns out you didn't even know I was a wolf then. Funny.

[Abe Sargent]

No taht's not the message. here it is hold I'll quote it

[Abe Sargent]

Clearly we thinkt he same on teh duke issue, and you won;t be isolated on that.



Here's my message to you. I knew and you knew that CF was abou tto die as a wolf, it's post vote. I wanted you to know that you were not islolated because I was the Cultist. That's why i used such awkward wording, to bring it to you rattentionas i quited you

[Autumn]

You better because you just made me look back through nearly all your messages. Goddamn you make as many typos as me, and I just looked at all of them trying to figure out if they meant something.

[Autumn]

Here's my message to you. I knew and you knew that CF was abou tto die as a wolf, it's post vote. I wanted you to know that you were not islolated because I was the Cultist. That's why i used such awkward wording, to bring it to you rattentionas i quited you

Oh I do remember finding that message strange. As I say, I felt rusty this game and didn't even think to look at your messages for hints.

[Autumn]

I also just found several posts by you I must have not read the first time. To be honest with all your sigs I think I sometimes end up scrolling by your post without actually finding the text in it.

[Abe Sargent]

Awesome!

[britrock88]

Disabling sigs is nice for WW...

and who was it that sniffed out CF, again? :D

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and for the record, Chief Rum, I do consider rolling dice to be outside the framework of teh game, but I figured you didn;t realize I thought that when you said I was lying, and I wanted to come across as a little more righteously indigant to sell my false reveal, so I came a little harsher on you than normal, no hard feeling.

[Autumn]

Way to spoil Christmas for everyone, Brit.

[britrock88]

Or maybe that should be "snuffed"...

[Abe Sargent]

Disabling sigs is nice for WW...

and who was it that sniffed out CF, again? :D

DT?

[britrock88]

Hahaha. Sorry, all! Perhaps we can enjoy Festivus, at the very least... unless the ghosts of Mayans past take us down first.

[Abe Sargent]

Thanks EF!!!

[Abe Sargent]

ANd g'night all


gotta get some sleep - my final class of my firs tsemester is tomorrow and all of my assisnments are done - tomorrow afterno0on we are done with seemster the first

[CrimsonFox]

yeahyeahyeah Jag you are so smart and knew I was bad the whole time but I think you were being swayed the next day :)

Sorry we sucked as wolves. I was away for most of both days when people were around.

Sorry we tried to kill you Abe. The one time I don't pick to kill CHief....sheesh.

Great game Abe! And SUPER game DT, you eally kicked this game's booty. Glad your batteries are recharged.

[CrimsonFox]

SO my lie was correct? Than's jsut wesome! Autumn did you think CR was the Cultist since my lie was true?

we knew you were the vultist. Autumn hypothesized that the killing didn't work because you were on our side (even though nothing in the rules mentioned that).

And of course once you started talking again we knew you were on our side.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeahyeahyeah Jag you are so smart and knew I was bad the whole time but I think you were being swayed the next day :)

Sorry we sucked as wolves. I was away for most of both days when people were around.

Sorry we tried to kill you Abe. The one time I don't pick to kill CHief....sheesh.

Great game Abe! And SUPER game DT, you eally kicked this game's booty. Glad your batteries are recharged.

Best game I think I've played as a villager in...I dunno...maybe ever?

[CrimsonFox]

really not sure how Jag and DT didn't come up as candidates today.

Actually I was immensely happy that brit killed me. That allowed us to eliminate both GE and brit.
I knew GE would get BGed and then he would have wifened the COT or else nabbed autumn so that rteally WAS good that I died. Good analysis on your guyys' part for nabbing Autumn. I just didn't think that would happen with Jag playing so lowkey and almost confused and DT being a frequent suspect.

[CrimsonFox]

Best game I think I've played as a villager in...I dunno...maybe ever?

most posts that I"ve seen too ;)

[CrimsonFox]

Not really sure why mauboy was the alternative candidate today especially when he missed a couple days. I think Zinto was right about him being a probable VV.

[CrimsonFox]

I think we're just all rusty and not alert enough to play.

[CrimsonFox]

Here was the text of the attempted kill, Abe. :)

"CF attempts to kill Abe Sargent but can't get himself to do it. Just something in his eyes kept you from pulling the trigger."

[CrimsonFox]

so yeah we were confused that day.

[Simbo Klice]

Good game, all! I followed along and was pretty impressed with the play from everyone. Don't mind going down day 1 as a VV for the sake of the seer.

[Simbo Klice]

And sorry about forgetting that we unvote here... Not used to doing that and it's been a while. I got held up at the gym that first night by someone in my VB class trying to convince me to give him all the assignments for $100 so he could pass and graduate.

[JAG]

Bad last day for me. I wasn't going to tie it up as I said, but if someone else had been around and switched I would've voted for Mau.

Great game by DT.

[JAG]

really not sure how Jag and DT didn't come up as candidates today.

I'm not surprised DT wasn't, but I thought I was going to be with how I acted around N2 deadline.

This is probably the first game I ever played where I had more no votes (N1+N3) than votes for players (N2).

[mauchow]

I should use that strategy more often as I have less chances to put my foot in my mouth! :)

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not surprised DT wasn't, but I thought I was going to be with how I acted around N2 deadline.

This is probably the first game I ever played where I had more no votes (N1+N3) than votes for players (N2).

Yeah - your no-vote on N3 was weird, and it did ping me a little, but I think at least what I would have said was "let's try autumn, then mau, then JAG"

So your no-vote on N3 was odd and moved you up the list, but I don't think it necessarily jumped you over mau at that point.

[Autumn]

Ugh, I didn't even realize you hadn't voted JAG. It was a bad day for me to be on the spot, because I have class and was gone most of the day. I think I overestimated how bad my spot was. I would have worked to sway the vote if I had been around and realized I had a shot.

[JAG]

Abe did a nice job of confusing me at the end too, gotta give the man credit.

Thanks for running the game EF.

[Chief Rum]

Fun game, EF. I think you did just fine, even with your time commitments.

This one came down to a little bit of luck and some good analysis by DT, with an aid from me in catching Autumn. Could have gone either way at a couple different points.

Clearly y'all trust Abe more naturally than you do me, lol. I mean, I had the first reveal and you all still tended to believe him. ;)

[Chief Rum]

Day one was just plain strange. Wolves had their order in early and didn't see GE's reveal before it was too late. No BG block that night so it would have been the perfect chance to eliminate the seer right away.

And how about this? There was no way GE was going to be BG'd even if I did get an order in. He wasn't anywhere near my radar when I left for work and because of working, there was no way I would have seen that reveal in time.

Had I gotten my protection order in, I probably would have protected a strong rep player. Autumn would have been on that short list, so if he was the one assigned to kill that night, that would have been an interesting result, too.

EF, would I have been told if Autumn was attacked or if he was slutted? I know from the rules I would not get the ID of the attacker if he is attacked, but wasn't sure if his actions alone would be clear to me.

[Chief Rum]

Luck??

No luck played into it. Good analysis.

Exactly! DT did the lion's share, but, if I do say so myself, I think I did some good work on that analysis to pin down Autumn.

It helped that I had more certainty about info than others, though (I knew I was the BG and that Abe was likely the Sceptic; I knew I did not submit a BG block on N1; etc.)

[Chief Rum]

SO my lie was correct? Than's jsut wesome! Autumn did you think CR was the Cultist since my lie was true?

That's hilarious. This game had a lot of odd coincidences.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, and for the record, Chief Rum, I do consider rolling dice to be outside the framework of teh game, but I figured you didn;t realize I thought that when you said I was lying, and I wanted to come across as a little more righteously indigant to sell my false reveal, so I came a little harsher on you than normal, no hard feeling.

No worries, man. I was away from the game at work last night when you posted that anyway, so I wasn't even around for a real time reaction to it. I didn't even think of what I was saying was calling you a liar on an out of game issue. I was completely thinking in game. So never my intention to suggest you would do that. I frankly forgot the circumstances by which you voted. I just noted in vote counts that you made the first vote, and that it was on Autumn.

Another odd bit of coincidence there, too, and bad luck for the wolves that Abe accidentally happened to vote for a wolf as the first vote of the game.

[Chief Rum]

yeahyeahyeah Jag you are so smart and knew I was bad the whole time but I think you were being swayed the next day :)

Sorry we sucked as wolves. I was away for most of both days when people were around.

Sorry we tried to kill you Abe. The one time I don't pick to kill CHief....sheesh.

Great game Abe! And SUPER game DT, you eally kicked this game's booty. Glad your batteries are recharged.

CF, first rule of WW club. Always kill Chief! lol... well, when I am paying attention, I guess. It does seem like you go after me a lot. I like the change. :)

[Chief Rum]

Not really sure why mauboy was the alternative candidate today especially when he missed a couple days. I think Zinto was right about him being a probable VV.

I never really thought mauboy1 was the last wolf. I threw him out there, because I realized that the logic I had in my brain "mauboy1 was not around, so he can't be the last wolf" didn't actually fit the facts. He could have been the last wolf, just an absentee one, with CFdoing the heavy lifting. So I had to include him.

But all along I was pretty certain it was Autumn.

[Chief Rum]

I had fun. Hope we can get another game going coming out of the holidays.

[Autumn]

Me too. Are people up for another short game? Anyone ready to go, or I can just throw together the small game I had ready earlier.

[britrock88]

I'd go again.

[DaddyTorgo]

Fun game, EF. I think you did just fine, even with your time commitments.

This one came down to a little bit of luck and some good analysis by DT, with an aid from me in catching Autumn. Could have gone either way at a couple different points.

Clearly y'all trust Abe more naturally than you do me, lol. I mean, I had the first reveal and you all still tended to believe him. ;)

Nah. I would have pushed hard as hell to lynch Abe before you if it came to that.

[DaddyTorgo]

I never really thought mauboy1 was the last wolf. I threw him out there, because I realized that the logic I had in my brain "mauboy1 was not around, so he can't be the last wolf" didn't actually fit the facts. He could have been the last wolf, just an absentee one, with CFdoing the heavy lifting. So I had to include him.

But all along I was pretty certain it was Autumn.

Yeah. I was like 80/20 Autumn/mauboy.

[DaddyTorgo]

Me too. Are people up for another short game? Anyone ready to go, or I can just throw together the small game I had ready earlier.

Yeah!

[JAG]

Me too. Are people up for another short game? Anyone ready to go, or I can just throw together the small game I had ready earlier.

Go for it.

[Autumn]

Abe, did you have a game ready? I think you said something about that in the beginning of this game.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, but it's a big one, so I'd rather wait until post-holidays

[Chief Rum]

I could probably whip up a smaller game except I might be going out of town in the middle of the week next week.

[CrimsonFox]

yeah just throw up!~

[Autumn]

I should be around to manage a simple small game.

[CrimsonFox]

Start signups then! :)

[CrimsonFox]

Well, ok then. A double reveal and somehow mauboy is not involved.


quoted for truth. hilarious truth. :)

[EagleFan]

To answer CR, no you wouldn't have found if you blocked an action.

I was hoping for a tie vote, SOOOOO hoping. Though you guys would have hated me for it. :)

Roles would have reversed if there was a tie. On the night that the tie occurred the seer scan would have acted as a kill and the wolves kill action would have returned a scan result. From that point forward the seer and BG would be the wolf team and the wolves would have seer/bg abilities.

Though they wouldn't have been told up front that this had happened.

:devil:

Though, with my time restrictions I am glad that didn't happen but would have loved for it to happen if I actually had the time (to field what would have been a lot of WTF pm's from the two groups at that point).

[Autumn]

That's incredible EF. A great mechanic to work into a themed game at some point.

[britrock88]

That is an awesome twist.

[CrimsonFox]

damn. you should have saved that for another game without telling us. What a fun idea.