A Wererolf, a Vampire, and a Villager Walk Into a Bar (Game Over, Vampires Win)

[Telle]

wait... my count can't be right. That's only 9 players.

[RendeR]

*flips coin*


VOTE LSG

[Telle]

It's 4-4 me and LSG, with you yet to vote. timmae has a standalone vote on henry.

Gah, my mind went elsewhere and I forgot why the vote went to a tie!

[Autumn]

From what little I know, yes, I believe he is being truthful.

Don't you know exactly the same information as Chief?

[RendeR]

SOrry LSG, I literally just flipped a coin, I can't base it on anything factual and we can't have another tie.

[Autumn]

*flips coin*


VOTE LSG

It's not looking random at this point.

[Telle]

Everthing RendeR's said about Chief tonight has been very odd and evasive. But they can't both be teammate baddies again, right?

[RendeR]

Don't you know exactly the same information as Chief?

I am unable to confirm nor deny anything specific, I'm sorry.

[britrock88]

I am thinking now that my night 1 scan of a villager triggered all this and not the tie on D1. If there were only 2 baddies and hit one on n1, it is really not fair .

Are you saying you got a scan result? And a positive one on CR or Render?

[Chief Rum]

The simple fact that you two were a village team on D1? And probably had some chatter and decided on a night action of some sort?

I'll say this, we weren't exactly chatterboxes in PMs. Not much discussion. We were both confused as to whether we had a night kill, and deduced we did from indications we received from EF, both privately and in the thread.

[RendeR]

Everthing RendeR's said about Chief tonight has been very odd and evasive. But they can't both be teammate baddies again, right?

I have a gag order, and even saying that is probably going to get me yelled at.

[GoldenEagle]

Are you saying you got a scan result? And a positive one on CR or Render?

I never got the result of my scan.

[Autumn]

Everthing RendeR's said about Chief tonight has been very odd and evasive. But they can't both be teammate baddies again, right?

It sure seems like they could. That is why I've kept my vote on Chief today. The reluctance to out his partner could be related to the fact that they're still partners. Otherwise, I'm in the dark why he or RendeR would be so wary of telling us anything.

[LoneStarGirl]

I don’t know how to reassure any of you that I’m a vanilla wolf but I am. Hopefully you all learn something from this killing

[timmae]

[B]Unvote henry 296

Vote chief rum/B]

[Telle]

I have a gag order, and even saying that is probably going to get me yelled at.

??? So Chief doesn't have a gag order but you do? That's odd to say the least.

[Autumn]

I'd suggest a move from LSG to Chief myself, but people gotta do their thing.

[Chief Rum]

UNVOTE LONE STAR GIRL

[GoldenEagle]

Render, can you actually confirm CRs side of things?

[timmae]

Unvote henry296

Vote chiefrum

[britrock88]

It sure seems like they could. That is why I've kept my vote on Chief today. The reluctance to out his partner could be related to the fact that they're still partners. Otherwise, I'm in the dark why he or RendeR would be so wary of telling us anything.

In fairness, I'd say CR has come forward with his neck on the line.

[Chief Rum]

For the team.

[Chief Rum]

I checked my PM to confirm. I did not have a gag order.

[britrock88]

CR unvoting... probably indicates he's vanilla wolf and is willing to be LSG is a wolf, too?

[RendeR]

Render, can you actually confirm CRs side of things?

I can confirm that nothing I've seen him post is a lie.

[Telle]

Unvote henry296

Vote chiefrum

WTF? You're TRYING to create a tie? I need to re-read the ruleset.. is there a role that thrives on chaos?

[Chief Rum]

Don't know if LSG is good or bad. But I am not going to allow a tie.

[LoneStarGirl]

UNVOTE LONE STAR GIRL

What the hell just happened?

[EagleFan]

deadline

[GoldenEagle]

I am so confused...

[EagleFan]

Getting the vote totals together.

[bhlloy]

There’s clearly some kind of mechanism in this game that rewards ties

[RendeR]

I checked my PM to confirm. I did not have a gag order.

Apparently EF got tired of all my questions and told me to shut up LOL

[LoneStarGirl]

Maybe someone wins something special if we get two or three ties in a row

[RendeR]

I'm thinking based on votes LSG is lynched tonight?

[EagleFan]

Final Totals:

Chief Rum 5 - GoldenEagle (382), Autumn (408), Telle (410), LoneStarGirl (478), timmae (520)
LoneStarGirl 4 - britrock88 (440), bhlloy (442). henry296 (448), RendeR (502)

[Chief Rum]

Apparently EF got tired of all my questions and told me to shut up LOL

:D

I don't know what's going on, but assuming I am done, good luck lol

[EagleFan]

Sorry, off a late family call just catching up. So thought it was about to end up tied and you would have made my week.... :D

[LoneStarGirl]

WTF? You're TRYING to create a tie? I need to re-read the ruleset.. is there a role that thrives on chaos?

This is worth remembering

[EagleFan]

The night has come. After much debate you were having trouble deciding between LoneStarGirl and Chief Rum but a late switch and sacrificial move leads to Chief Rum being the determined target.

You gather him and drag him into the courtyard. The sound of anticipation and blood lust are heard from outside the fence. The entire village of wolves has gathered and are in full on conversion as they eye Chief Rum closely as he is bound.

"Stop!!! Everyone stand back!!!"

The gate opens and several wolves march towards Chief Rum and forcefully remove him from the yard.

"We will tell you how you have done. If you have saved us all."

Another voice echoes... "If the time has arrived..."

Now you wait...

(results shortly)

[RendeR]

DOH!

[Chief Rum]

Umm... what?

[EagleFan]

A howl is heard, a howl of pain.

Then... silence...

You wait, worrying if you made the right call...

An announcement is made...

"Do not disappoint us again!!! You have cost the dear Chief Rum his life. He was nothing more than an average every day werewolf. We will not allow many more mistakes!!!"

You are shaken but head to your bunks to try to get some sleep and put this behind you. What will the morning bring?

(Night Results Pending)

[Chief Rum]

Best of luck wolves.

[EagleFan]

Another howl is heard... then silence...

[RendeR]

Shit, Sorry CR!

[EagleFan]

The silence is broken by another howl... what is happening?

[RendeR]

Oh christ.....

[EagleFan]

Morning comes. You gather to examine your damages. You are missing another member...

Autumn is nowhere to be found.

A voice echoes... "You have lost another average werewolf. You fools!!! Do not allow this to continue!!!"

[EagleFan]

Day 3 has begun; deadline 10 PM EST 5/1 but results may not be posted until closer to midnight due to other commitments tomorrow evening.

[timmae]

Well, that sucked.

[RendeR]

Indeed.

[RendeR]

OK, gotta get some actual work done, back later....

[Telle]

Well, that sucked.

You REALLY need to explain yourself. I'm going to bed now so I'll read the explanation tomorrow... but really, WTF? You KNOW that ties can be very very bad. And it really looks like you actively moved your vote to henry to allow a situation to happen that would give you the ability to create a tie at the last second. Thankfully Chief was the self-sacrificing type. Who knows what the hell would have happened otherwise (well, maybe you know)

[bhlloy]

I am absolutely convinced there's a mechanism that rewards ties at this point... which means you presumably know that pretty well Telle considering you triggered it N1?

[timmae]

My bad reads were on lsg and my good reads on chief. No tie mechanism that I am aware of. I assume the 3 howls meant a protect order of some sort is in play but who knows.

[bhlloy]

I don't see how we can't at least start down the LSG and timmae line of questioning tomorrow, but I'm open to somebody else trying to make sense of what just happened... with 2 of the 4 that claimed confirmed vanilla, LSG and GE aren't looking great right now.

I'm very interested to go back and look at when timmae posted and about what now. Given the known effect of a tie, I just don't understand that vote at the end.

[bhlloy]

I just went back and looked through the last page... I can think of 2 reasonable scenarios at this point

1) timmae is trying to watch the world burn and create ties
2) timmae and LSG are teammates and baddies

I mean 2 feels too good to be true this early, but I'm struggling to come up with anything else reasonable. Anyone got a better read?

[timmae]

I could be way off but I don't like anyone sitting on LSG. Chief seemed to be vanilla wolf at worst a baddie at best. I had autumn, chief, render, ge and bhlloy on my good list. I want to here from render and my suspicion lies with him and whoever voted on lsg. Just my gut feel right now.

[timmae]

You are starting to look suspicious bhlloy. I guarantee 100% i am not a baddie. I would recommend you look elsewhere unless you are on the bad side. Then try ro railroad me.

[timmae]

vote render

[bhlloy]

why RendeR?

[bhlloy]

vote LSG

One of the more no-brainer votes I'll have I think, pending new information

[timmae]

He could have helped the village but didnt.. i will reread but i dont remember him backing chief hard. If they were both wolves now that would be a team that would fight hard together.

[timmae]

Sorry.. wolves in lieu of village. You get my drift.

[RendeR]

He could have helped the village but didnt.. i will reread but i dont remember him backing chief hard. If they were both wolves now that would be a team that would fight hard together.

I confirmed everything that I knew to be true. Not sure where you get anything else from my posts.

[RendeR]

Sorry.. wolves in lieu of village. You get my drift.

Try not to Drift, this game is confusing enough.

[bhlloy]

He could have helped the village but didnt.. i will reread but i dont remember him backing chief hard. If they were both wolves now that would be a team that would fight hard together.

assuming you are talking D2, why would they fight hard together? RendeR presumably had no idea what CR was at that point. Don't get where you are going here at all.

[RendeR]

assuming you are talking D2, why would they fight hard together? RendeR presumably had no idea what CR was at that point. Don't get where you are going here at all.

This.


I have no idea what CR was until he was killed after the flip on night 1. I did not want to play into whatever scheme he had going. Turns out there was no scheme and I was wrong, sort of, I voted for LSG.

[timmae]

Ok, after sleeping on it and thinking things through I think we (wolfies) are in pretty good shape. Really good shape if we have a seer and some info. Worst case in my mind is that render is a wise wolf and picked me to look at. At any rate, we are down to 8. Hopefully at worst we have 3 villagers or 2 villagers and 2 vamps. Since no one has any info on vamps (even a villager who was a vamp D1 would likely indicate their presence since they also need to get rid of the vamps to win) maybe we have 3 villagers. It is likely 5 against 3 unless existence of a vamp is exposed. It would be crazy if both vamps stayed vamps. If villager seeking revenge is in play then after tonight we could be down to 3 against 2. Then after N3 we would be 1 to 0. Win. Am I an idiot or are we ok?

Note, my two solids are no longer here but I have a small trust group in lsg, telle and ge right now.

My evil empire group right now consists of render, bhlloy, brit and henry.

I could still be an idiot though so let's discuss all of this.

[timmae]

Wait, maybe N3 it is 2 to 1 and D4 it would be a win?

[timmae]

Oh, and sorry chief... you deserved to live but at least we didn't lose a strength role.

[Telle]

So, still not even a whiff of explanation from timmae on that attempt to create a tie last night. It's obvious to me that it was intentional. He moved his vote over to someone with no votes, but didn't give any big push for others to follow his lead. I actually forgot about that vote and focused on the existing tie, thinking RendeR had the deciding vote. RendeR then voted for LoneStarGirl. At 9:59 timmae suddenly moved his vote to Chief, creating a tie, with no explanation. If Chief hadn't self-sacrificed, who knows where we'd be right now?

Maybe I shouldn't harp on this so much since I created the first tie and so people may think I'm in on whatever nefarious thing went on last night, but timmae's move last night was seriously messed up and I can see zero reason for him doing it that would be on the side of good.

Also let's not lose sight of RendeR's "gag order". Chief said he had no such order himself. We learned that Chief was a good guy, so he had no reason to lie about anything he said. If RendeR's still a bad guy, him letting there be suspicion on Chief works in his favor.

[EagleFan]

As of post 573:

RedneR 1 - timmae (561)
LoneStarGirl 1 - bhlloy (563)

[timmae]

If I didn't move my vote to chief then it would have been chief's unvote that created a tie. Both occurred simultaneously and I actually expected some other last minute snipping to occur also.

My move to henry at 8:46pm was an attempt to allow people to move off of chief for an option other than lsg if they wanted. henry was an unknown and suspect in my mind at that point. Telling people to move at that point would be excuses for baddies that could have shifted onto a henry-wolf at that point of chief was lying about his villager role. No one moved so I moved back to what I then assumed was a worst case vanilla wolf in chief. Chief exposed a possible villager RendeR at 8:36pm but RendeR's weird response came at 8:53pm, probably too late to get a railroad going on him.

[timmae]

I seriously can't wait for EF's recap of this whole mess... gotta know his thoughts on what he's created!

[Telle]

That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would a vanilla wolf purposely create a tie? Especially after we saw the mess the first one caused after D1? Him unvoting was him self-sacrificing to disable the tie you created. Chief's posts #522 and #527 confirm this, and as a vanilla wolf he had zero reason to lie.

And just in case you want to claim that Chief unvoted before you voted... You first moved your vote to create the tie in #515, but messed up the formatting. He saw your vote move, and unvoted LSG in #518, thus putting himself in the lead. You then fixed your formatting in #520. It's not certain but is likely that EF would have allowed the #515 vote to stand if it was pointed out to him since it's obvious you were trying to make it bold but just had a typo.

[timmae]

Truly I thought that Chief and RendeR were still playing some shenanigans of some sort. Maybe both being bad and trying to lure our seer was a thought as well as a contained wolf possibility. Not sure any of it makes sense now but I sure as heck didn't expect chief to claim something with 30 minutes to go that he easily could have claimed when questioned very early in the day. We'll see what chief's reasoning is for stating he would not out anyone else (post #394) and then doing just that late in the day.

I totally get why people would question the heck out of my play this game, you all should. We need discussion to win this.

[britrock88]

A series of unfortunate events.

As of #482:
5 LoneStarGirl - timmae (352), britrock88 (440), bhlloy (442), henry296 (448), Chief Rum (459)
3 Chief Rum - GoldenEagle (382), Autumn (408), Telle (410), LoneStarGirl (478)

Yet to vote: RendeR

It was actually 5-4 at this point. But is a little typo like that going to lead to anything serious?

Reread henry296's D2 and not liking it.

Unvote lonestargirl

Vote henry296

Oh. Hmm. We get a rationale for the vote change. This ties the count up at 4-4-1, though timmae might think it's 4-3-1 based on the tally.

*flips coin*


VOTE LSG

This puts LSG back in the lead at 5-4-1. Or 5-3-1 if you didn't look at Telle's tally closely.

Unvote henry 296

Vote chief rum/B]

This vote misfires because the missing bracket means the vote isn't bolded--it's still 5-4-1 LSG. But if you read the words and (not unreasonably) assume it counts, you may think it's now 5-5 or 5-4 LSG.

[B]UNVOTE LONE STAR GIRL

CR nobly self-sacrifices... prematurely. This unvote actually ties the tally at 4-4-1. But the cascade of little slip-ups means he could see this as making it 5-4 CR.

Unvote henry296

Vote chiefrum

Timmae makes it count this time, and the tally has now actually flipped to 5-4 CR.

Deadline comes, CR's good, etc.

My bad reads were on lsg and my good reads on chief. No tie mechanism that I am aware of.

About an hour deadline, timmae comes up with this stunner. It's a 180 from the indications he gave in his voting pattern.

[britrock88]

Haven't heard much of anything from henry, GE, or LSG since deadline. Timmae's chaotic evening sticks out the most to me at this point, but I'm willing to pay closer attention to the silent types as the day goes on.

VOTE timmae

[timmae]

I think brit is a good player and this post smells very wolfy to me. I'd love your take on render brit, if nothing more than to create leads for future days. I already explained the last bit that you say is a 180 degree turn and I think a good brit picks up on this type of thing usually. I think he is trying to build a case I am bad, which I will again state that I am not.

I'm gonna step back for a bit because I do not want to monopolize this for everyone... I feel like my play may have done just that and have to rethink how I play in the future. However, I will be reading intently and will respond to any questions asked.

[henry296]

We had 4 people claim vanilla wolf immediately and 2 are now dead. I'm guessing 4-5 vanilla wolves is all we have. Therefore, I find it unlikely that only the vanilla wolves claimed it. Since GoldenEagle was the next to jump on the bandwagon once he saw the trend, I'm starting with him as my 1st suspect.

Vote GoldenEagle

[EagleFan]

As of post 582:

RedneR 1 - timmae (561)
LoneStarGirl 1 - bhlloy (563)
timmae 1 - britrock88 (580)
GoldenEagle 1 - henry296 (582)

[Telle]

Well I'm seeing three areas of great suspicion that should be investigated:
1. timmae's last-minute tie making maneuvers last night
2. RendeR and his "gag order"
3. The remaining pool of "vanilla wolf" claimers, GoldenEagle and LoneStarGirl

[Telle]

And apparently I'm not the only one thinking along these lines, at least partially, since all four of them are the current recipients of votes, with one apiece.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well I'm seeing three areas of great suspicion that should be investigated:
1. timmae's last-minute tie making maneuvers last night
2. RendeR and his "gag order"
3. The remaining pool of "vanilla wolf" claimers, GoldenEagle and LoneStarGirl


I know I am a vanilla wolf. And I do believe that there is one more out there besides myself, but I think that person is keeping it quiet.

vote Goldeneagle

[RendeR]

I think Bitrock has the right of it on Timmae. His reasoning is flimsy at best but his actual maneuvers look very distinctly to be caging a wolf.

VOTE TIMMAE

[britrock88]

Thinking of pulling some post content summaries together.

[EagleFan]

As of post 588:

timmae 2 - britrock88 (580), RendeR (587)
RendeR 1 - timmae (561)
LoneStarGirl 1 - bhlloy (563)
GoldenEagle 1 - henry296 (582)

[britrock88]

GE, LSG, and Telle with no votes.

[britrock88]

Going by remaining players in ascending order of posts. First up is GoldenEagle.

Noteworthy posts:

VOTE bhlloy

I just can't vote for anyone else at this point. I think some of the movement and early votes can still provide us information down the road.

I am willing to change this vote if he checks in.

Plus, you never know, we may get really lucky and hit a villager.

It seems like LSG is waiting to vote which is note worthy.

This is similar to what I am thinking. I will obviously move my vote if bhlloy is not a candidate but I am not sure why everyone moved off of him so quickly.

UNVOTE bhlloy
VOTE henry296

I want to see where things go from here and force those who have an inconsequential vote at the moment to make some decisions.

Maybe it is not to late to get something going on Telle.

UNVOTE henry296
VOTE Telle

My vote was never solid on henry. I just wanted to see what the movement looked like. I find Telle's reasoning of defending the no show vote very strange. I think she pushed that narrative a bit too hard.

VOTE CHEIF RUM

Two reasons:
1. The fact that no else has claimed they switched sides.
2. He set on his vote at deadline and didn't anything. That essentially became a wasted vote. We can say the same for LSG.

Furthermore, if CR was a villager, it implies that the villagers do not know who each other are. I guess that is possible. Maybe the villagers have to unlock some sort of condition to get to communicate. Either way, it smells funny.

I am thinking now that my night 1 scan of a villager triggered all this and not the tie on D1. If there were only 2 baddies and hit one on n1, it is really not fair .

His most consistent negative read has been on LSG. (Have to say I'm enjoying the family dynamics in this game!)

Voted bhlloy while he was absent, but dinged Telle for defending making the same vote.

The most interesting thing to me is that he hasn't had all that much to say about being the D1 seer. I did inquire, and he said he didn't get a result, but that's all we know.

[britrock88]

Next up is henry296.

I can't imagine just 1 vampire, so either 2 and 2 or probably 3 villagers if no vampires.

Day 1 is just a random guess anyway. I'd like to know if a potential no-show has a valuable role so we can move on and realize we don't have that person rather than guessing.

Vote Bhlloy

unvote bhlloy

As I stated, I was only voting for him because he was inactive. I'm actually now leaning Telle since she was violently opposing me which makes me believe we are on opposite sides. To me, the showdown should be between us because we pushed the opposite agenda which means that one of is likely bad and it isn't me.

Since heal happens after both attacks I think it would help against either villager or vampire. For now I’m assuming we have both.

I’m wondering if going back to bhlloy could work because trying to understand if telle was trying to protect him or render was throwing him under the bus was part of the strategy last night. I realize the same could be said of me, but I’m not voting for myself.

I’m not moving to Render since we have the same point of view. I’m willing to sacrifice myself for the information to the team. I have no role so I’m not a big loss.

We had 4 people claim vanilla wolf immediately and 2 are now dead. I'm guessing 4-5 vanilla wolves is all we have. Therefore, I find it unlikely that only the vanilla wolves claimed it. Since GoldenEagle was the next to jump on the bandwagon once he saw the trend, I'm starting with him as my 1st suspect.

Vote GoldenEagle

Useful speculation about the distribution of players in the game, which I always appreciate.

Talks about avoiding voting out an inactive player, but changes direction and votes bhlloy.

Draws a distinction between himself and Telle/Render initially in terms of how D1 transpired, but comes around to seeing himself on the same side of things as Render.

[britrock88]

LoneStarGirl is next to round out the 25-30 post group.

I am confident bhlloy is going to show up and knock our socks off with his insight into this game thus far so I’m going to refrain from voting for him until he emerges. But if it’s not soon he’s getting my vote!

I thought I voted earlier but I forgot the whole bold thing

Vote bhlloy

The fact that Telle was adamant that we don’t vote for Bhlloy and that Bhlloy did a throwaway vote against me makes me think one (or both) are on the bad side of this one.

so if CR went from bad to good then its a solid assumption the entire game just flipped around. Which means a good guy or two are now on the evil side of things.

On day one (or two) I thought Brittrock was a good guy and even had him followed since that was my skill. Unfortunately I lost that skill and learned nothing from it as I am now a vanilla wolf.

Following that logic

vote brittrock

This is how I understood it as well since my action didn't go through.

I was going to make the same comment. Telle was a fireball the first two hours and now she is acting more like.... me.

Does that mean she was a baddie defending her honor vehemently to prevent being killed and now she is a goodie and can relax?

Or is she bad now and wanting to keep out of the limelight?

WTF? You're TRYING to create a tie? I need to re-read the ruleset.. is there a role that thrives on chaos?

This is worth remembering

Another absentee non-voter turned voter. Funny.

Has a read on CR's Day 2 reveal that has aged well, notwithstanding the vote on me :p .

Indicates that she was the town watch, reinforces the idea that N1 actions weren't processed in light of the tie.

Also has a fairly strong and consistent negative read on Telle. When I get to Telle, it might be worth pressing the tie creation, avoidance, and opinion points a little more.

[britrock88]

I'm next, as one of two players right around 50 posts, but I'm certainly not qualified to read myself. :D

Taking a break before resuming with bhlloy.

[bhlloy]

I think I can’t get past what happened last night, and we have to have a read on LSG or Timmae to make sense of it. As LSG seems be Teflon still, I’ll go in the other direction. There’s just no defending his voting pattern last night IMO

Unvote LSG
Vote Timmae

[timmae]

No way that the villagers could be as gutsy to land all three of their votes on me. Something is off on my reads.

[EagleFan]

As of post 596:

timmae 3 - britrock88 (580), RendeR (587), bhlloy (595)
RedneR 1 - timmae (561)
GoldenEagle 1 - henry296 (582)

[LoneStarGirl]

I could have sworn I voted for GoldenEagle a few hours ago. I remember because I heard a disgusted yell from the other room when he found out.

[timmae]

With so little info from today I am utterly confused. Brit and Bhlloy's questioning seem to indicate they may be wolves. Render's D2 I do not understand at all so my vote will stay there. EF has created a monster.

I am away for most, if not all of the remainder of the night. I am a wolf and you shouldn't lynch me but I get the mounting evidence I gave you all to do so. The only one I have a read on right now is GE as a wolf.

[LoneStarGirl]

vote goldeneagle

since it got lost

[GoldenEagle]

Well I'm seeing three areas of great suspicion that should be investigated:
1. timmae's last-minute tie making maneuvers last night
2. RendeR and his "gag order"
3. The remaining pool of "vanilla wolf" claimers, GoldenEagle and LoneStarGirl

We could also add you to group #3.

[henry296]

We could also add you to group #3.

When did she claim vanilla wolf?

[Telle]

When did she claim vanilla wolf?

That was Day 1. The point of the grouping I and others mentioned was that four people claimed it Day 2 and that seemed like too many.

[Telle]

I could have sworn I voted for GoldenEagle a few hours ago. I remember because I heard a disgusted yell from the other room when he found out.

Yep, post #586

[EagleFan]

As of post 605:

timmae 3 - britrock88 (580), RendeR (587), bhlloy (595)
GoldenEagle 2 - henry296 (582), LoneStarGirl (586)
RendeR 1 - timmae (561)

[EagleFan]

I am going to be away for a bit; we're taping several episodes for the youtube channel tonight, it was a pre-planned and I just realized the conflict last night.

[Telle]

Oddly quiet a little over an hour before deadline. Then again, maybe everyone's just getting their drink on :)

So at this point timmae seems the most nefarious out of those I'm the most suspicious about. And padding the number of votes against him verses the next highest helps prevent any more attempts he might make at tie making.

vote timmae

[Telle]

As of post #607:

4 timmae - britrock88 (580), RendeR (587), bhlloy (595), Telle (607)
2 GoldenEagle - henry296 (582), LoneStarGirl (586)
1 RendeR - timmae (561)

No vote: GoldenEagle

[bhlloy]

It is very much beer o'clock here after a long week, but also I don't really see my vote changing at this point anyway. I want to know what the hell he was trying to do last night.

[Telle]

It is very much beer o'clock here after a long week, but also I don't really see my vote changing at this point anyway. I want to know what the hell he was trying to do last night.

Yeah I want to know too. I can't think of any reason that would be on the side of good that he'd try to create a tie. And his explanation that that's not what he was doing just reeks of bs.

I enjoyed some drink earlier during virtual happy hour, but sobered up during dinner. Might decide to imbibe again in a bit.

[henry296]

That was Day 1. The point of the grouping I and others mentioned was that four people claimed it Day 2 and that seemed like too many.

Which I think we all know has nothing to do with your role today. I'm staying with GoldenEagle for now.

[GoldenEagle]

I don't know if I am ok with voting timmae. He has said that he trusts me and while it may sound cliche, I do appreciate it. I am not trying to out anyone, but it would make sense that he scanned me. Again, I am not saying he is the seer but I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now. The vote change at the last minute was suspicious and I can acknowledge that.

I am going to vote Render because I would like to generate more interest on a second candidate that is not myself.

VOTE RENDER

[Telle]

I don't know if I am ok with voting timmae. He has said that he trusts me and while it may sound cliche, I do appreciate it.

Really? When I saw this:


Note, my two solids are no longer here but I have a small trust group in lsg, telle and ge right now.

my first reaction was to cringe. After his deadline shenanigans yesterday I'm pretty sure I don't want to be in any kind of group he has going.

[RendeR]

I don't know if I am ok with voting timmae. He has said that he trusts me and while it may sound cliche, I do appreciate it. I am not trying to out anyone, but it would make sense that he scanned me. Again, I am not saying he is the seer but I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now. The vote change at the last minute was suspicious and I can acknowledge that.

I am going to vote Render because I would like to generate more interest on a second candidate that is not myself.

VOTE RENDER

Please explain why?

[GoldenEagle]

You have been wanting to vote Render off since this game begin. Here is your chance to take a significant step to doing it. I will find it interesting if you don’t.

[GoldenEagle]

Please explain why?

I think I explained it. It’s easy to pile on timmae at this point. I would like a second candidate and the option is either you or me.

[RendeR]

I think I explained it. It’s easy to pile on timmae at this point. I would like a second candidate and the option is either you or me.

So with no other evidence to go on than a drive by voter, you think its better to vote for me than someone that has a bunch of very questionable choices posted?

Thats some seriously flimsy logic GE.

Telle was hounding me during the original day 1, roles have very obviously changed, baiting her into voting for me seems duplicitous at best.

[Telle]

I wanted to vote RendeR off on Day 1. As I'm sure you're aware, many things changed after that. He's definitely on my list of suspicious people (that whole "gag order" thing), but at this point timmae feels not just suspicious but dangerous.

[RendeR]

Add to that that Timmae is still 2 votes ahead of you to begin with and I seriously question your motivations.

If it would NOT create a tie, I'd be switching to you right now. We'll deal with him tonight, and you tomorrow.

[britrock88]

UNVOTE timmae
VOTE GoldenEagle

I realize this creates a tie, but only a momentary one (I'll change back if no one else does). The fact that timmae and GE are aligning themselves is interesting... and I'm wondering what they might do in a 3-3-2 where their votes are on the 2. Will they opt for self-preservation? Are they really hoping for another tie? etc...

[RendeR]

UGH....bitrock Stop creating TIES.....

[britrock88]

Unvote henry 296

Vote chief rum/B]

[B]UNVOTE LONE STAR GIRL

Add to that that Timmae is still 2 votes ahead of you to begin with and I seriously question your motivations.

If it would NOT create a tie, I'd be switching to you right now. We'll deal with him tonight, and you tomorrow.

Okay. This changes my mind and I will explain after switching back.

UNVOTE GoldenEagle
VOTE timmae

[britrock88]

Oops. Those first two are multiquotes from who knows when.

RendeR, glad you chimed in. I agree that we don't want a tie.

[RendeR]

OK now I'm dizzy.....

[bhlloy]

I’m not switching. Not dealing with Timmae for information purposes tonight is dumb.

[britrock88]

Add to that that Timmae is still 2 votes ahead of you to begin with and I seriously question your motivations.

If it would NOT create a tie, I'd be switching to you right now. We'll deal with him tonight, and you tomorrow.

At any rate, this reply to GE gives me a better gut feel for you than I've had to date. The marginal likelihood of getting information from timmae or GE probably isn't worth risking a tie after all if the group is moving toward lynching one today and giving the other a thorough examination tomorrow.

[britrock88]

OK now I'm dizzy.....

:lol: fair. But how should I have known that if I gave you a baseball bat, you would decide to put your head on it and spin?

[Telle]

:lol: fair. But how should I have known that if I gave you a baseball bat, you would decide to put your head on it and spin?

How could you not? ;)

But yeah, I'm waiting for my pulse to come back down after seeing you create that tie. I had one of those "What the hell is going on?!?" moments. Good to see the world isn't quite as chaotic as it felt for a moment.

[britrock88]

Yeah I want to know too. I can't think of any reason that would be on the side of good that he'd try to create a tie. And his explanation that that's not what he was doing just reeks of bs.

I enjoyed some drink earlier during virtual happy hour, but sobered up during dinner. Might decide to imbibe again in a bit.

Are you looking to pull any shenanigans like I just did? I think bhlloy is set per his statement earlier, and RendeR sure sounds set.

[britrock88]

(deadline)

[Telle]

Are you looking to pull any shenanigans like I just did? I think bhlloy is set per his statement earlier, and RendeR sure sounds set.

Hah. I created a tie on Day 1 not knowing how great the ramifications could be. Anyone since then has no excuse. And I am certainly not stupid enough to make that mistake twice!

[Telle]

So this is what I have as the tally at deadline:

4 timmae - RendeR (587), bhlloy (595), Telle (607), britrock88 (622)
2 RendeR - timmae (561), GoldenEagle (612)
2 GoldenEagle - henry296 (582), LoneStarGirl (586)

From what EagleFan said it'll likely be a few hours before we have full results.

[RendeR]

Yup, I'll be back later.

[EagleFan]

deadline

[EagleFan]

Final Totals:

timmae 4 - RendeR (587), bhlloy (595), Telle (607), britrock88 (622)
GoldenEagle 2 - henry296 (582), LoneStarGirl (586)
RendeR 2 - timmae (561), GoldenEagle (612)

[EagleFan]

The gathering grows in the courtyard. A brief exchange is heard between britrock88 and RendeR with timmae and GoldenEagle in the mix. A tie is created, a laughter can be heard, but a late change to timmae seems to seal his fate.

"Stop!!!"

You pause.

"Step Away from timmae!!!"

You do.

The gates open, timmae is taken from the courtyard, You can hear the screaming from beyond the gates...

[EagleFan]

An announcement is made. This will only be a minor failure. The person you know as timmae was only recently converted, he had no true side as his maker remains.

[EagleFan]

Night Results Pending

[RendeR]

Thats not failure in my book, thats one less possible villager(bad guy).

Its a baby step, but its definitely not a failure.

[EagleFan]

The sun rises and you gather. You are two members short of expected.

bhlloy was killed last night. He was The Count.

britrock88 was killed last night. He was a Vanilla Villager.

"You have fared well!!!"

[EagleFan]

Day 4 has begun

Deadline 10 PM EST Monday.

[RendeR]

SO we're down to 5, no more vampire, no more convert.


so based on first night knowledge there are still 2 villagers out there (badguys)

a Seer
A nights watch
A Doctor


IF in fact all those roles were in the game at all.


Very interesting.

[Telle]

Holy shit! So the head vampire, a villager, and the neutral party are all gone? That is awesome!

So now we know for sure there's both vampires and villagers. One of each type of bad guy is gone. We were guessing before that if both types were in the game then likely 2 of each. So probably at most there's one of each left now, which is great odds for the good guys.

[Telle]

So RendeR posted when I was typing..

So you had three villagers on Day 1? Ok, that throws off my math. Still, it looks like the vampire(s) and villagers went after each other last night, which is great for us.

[RendeR]

Day 1 we had 2 villagers and the possible convert. So I'm thinking there is only 1 left not 2. My error there.

[RendeR]

I also doubting there was more than 1 vampire at all. I think IMO, they're gone. Which should leave us 4-1 good guys(wolves)

[Chief Rum]

:popcorn:

[britrock88]

Good luck, village! (Wink)


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[henry296]

With only five left, I think I’m going to come right out I provide what I know. Telle visited bhlloy because I’m the town watch.

vote Telle

[henry296]

With only five left, I think I’m going to come right out I provide what I know. Telle visited bhlloy because I’m the town watch.

vote Telle

Never mind. She may have been another good role. I’ll let her explain before I vote.
unvote Telle

[GoldenEagle]

This is interesting. Of course, it will be easy for Telle to hide behind what she learned now bhlloy has been killed.

[henry296]

We are down to 5, myself and the two couples. Either Telle was responsible for bhlloy's death or she was the doctor trying to heal him or she is the seer.

I don't see much that would've lead Telle to assume bhlloy was a bad guy that she would use a seer scan on him. Could she be the doctor and thought he made be a target? Perhaps, but still think it is a better than 50% chance she is bad.

[EagleFan]

As of post 652:

[RendeR]

Lets get some discussion going here, we're 3.5 from deadline.

Based on my knowledge from day 1 (which may or may not have any value) I'm looking at Goldeneagle and Telle. I think GE needs to be our main focus based on his day 2 remarks and vote movements.

Thoughts?

[henry296]

Lets get some discussion going here, we're 3.5 from deadline.

Based on my knowledge from day 1 (which may or may not have any value) I'm looking at Goldeneagle and Telle. I think GE needs to be our main focus based on his day 2 remarks and vote movements.

Thoughts?

The real day one or the one after the tie when roles were changed?

[RendeR]

The real day 1. I was part of the badguy team. Day 2 both of us were vanilla wolves.

I'm guessing Day one GE and Telle were vanila wolves and now...not so much.

[henry296]

I’d rather not speculate on who switched teams or not but judge based on what they did since. Until I hear from Telle I can’t reasonably determine if someone else is viable. About to exercise. Should be back after 9.

[Telle]

Well since henry296 outed me... I'm the doctor. I had been chosen bhlloy for healing. It didn't work out, but in the end that turned out to be a good thing.

I had noticed towards the end of Day 3 that bhlloy had seemed to be giving gentle suggestions that GoldenEagle was good. I guessed that bhlloy was likely the seer, and had scanned GoldenEagle, and based on that scan was trying to lead us away from voting for him without giving that away too obviously. So I chose bhlloy in case any of the baddies picked up on the same hints.

Since bhlloy turned out to actually be the count, my guess now is that GoldenEagle is the wolf he converted into a "killing machine".

vote GoldenEagle

[Telle]

Well since henry296 outed me... I'm the doctor. I had been chosen bhlloy for healing. It didn't work out, but in the end that turned out to be a good thing.


Haha.. re-read my role email from EF. Healing works on a fellow werewolf, which bhlloy was not. So that's why it didn't work, duh :)

[EagleFan]

As of post 659:

GoldenEagle 1 - Telle (659)

[RendeR]

Frankly I cannot refute any of that but I'm still getting a weird vibe from Telle.

That said I was ready to vote GE last night. I'm willing to stick with that.


VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

[GoldenEagle]

Vote Telle

We are just going to give her a pass when she was obviously there when holly was killed. It seems prettt obvious to me that she is a villager that probably did the killing.

[EagleFan]

As of post 662:

GoldenEagle 2 - Telle (659), RendeR (661)
Telle 1 - GoldenEagle (662)

[Telle]

Well no big surprise on GoldenEagle's response. What else is he going to say?

[RendeR]

Vote Telle

We are just going to give her a pass when she was obviously there when holly was killed. It seems prettt obvious to me that she is a villager that probably did the killing.

Well no big surprise on GoldenEagle's response. What else is he going to say?

As I told GE yesterday, I'll say again, we'll deal with him tonight, and Her tomorrow.

[Telle]

Day 1 we had 2 villagers and the possible convert. So I'm thinking there is only 1 left not 2. My error there.

If what you said here is correct and we're right about GoldenEagle, then there is no tomorrow because we won! :)

[Telle]

As of post 662:

GoldenEagle 2 - Telle (659), RendeR (661)
Telle 1 - GoldenEagle (662)

And yet to vote: henry296 and LoneStarGirl

[RendeR]

If what you said here is correct and we're right about GoldenEagle, then there is no tomorrow because we won! :)

Perhaps.

[Telle]

Perhaps.

Oh show some optimism. After this shitty day I need something good to happen!

[GoldenEagle]

As I told GE yesterday, I'll say again, we'll deal with him tonight, and Her tomorrow.

I think you have that order reversed. Lynch Telle today and if she comes back clean, I will vote for myself tomorrow.

We know that henry saw her there. We know that the villagers and vampires attacked each other. This seems like the easiest slam dunk vote in the history of WW.

She can claim to be the doctor. Why did she visit bhlloy? It makes no sense. He is dead and that is good thing for us, but it came at the hand of a villager that pretty obviously seems like Telle.

[LoneStarGirl]

Is everyone asleep?

Vote telle

[Telle]

I explained why I chose bhlloy for the healing action. You're just ignoring that because it ties you to him.

[henry296]

I knew as soon as I posted I messed up and gave her an out. I was hoping maybe we also had a seer who could help us rule out three special roles which is giving me pause. I don’t think it matters what order we do this. However we should rule out Telle first since we know she was out last night.

Vote Telle

[RendeR]

So 3-2 telle right now?

[Telle]

Really, people?

Day 1 I was a vanilla villager
Day 2 I chose timmae, based on no more than gut.. just figured I should choose somebody. And then he pulled that attempted tie bullshit, so I was pissed at myself for thinking he was good as much as I was pissed about what he did. That visceral reaction of mine should be pretty clear if you reread.
Day 3 I chose bhlloy because, as I said, he was giving a Seer vibe with how he seemed to be defending Golden Eagle

Don't kill one of the few remaining good guys, and one that might actually be able to help keep the wolves alive tonight!

[RendeR]

I'm good with either one so I'll sit here and see who is right, and who is...dead.

[Telle]

So that's how you're all going to vote, with GoldenEagle having nothing more going for him than, "I'm not Telle"?

He was one of the four who claimed vanilla wolf on Day 2, and was thus viewed as suspicious. He was being defended by bhlloy, who turned out to be the count.

[GoldenEagle]

So that's how you're all going to vote, with GoldenEagle having nothing more going for him than, "I'm not Telle"?

He was one of the four who claimed vanilla wolf on Day 2, and was thus viewed as suspicious. He was being defended by bhlloy, who turned out to be the count.

I think an eyeball witness seeing you moving around at night when someone was actually killed is too large of a hurdle for anyone to overcome.

[Telle]

I think an eyeball witness seeing you moving around at night when someone was actually killed is too large of a hurdle for anyone to overcome.

And that's how roled good guys get killed off ALL THE TIME. This sucks!!!

[Telle]

*sigh* Well, good luck wolves.

[RendeR]

And that's how roled good guys get killed off ALL THE TIME. This sucks!!!


I can't really affect this now, however, rest assured (and in peace) that we'll deal with GE and apparently LSG tomorrow.

[GoldenEagle]

I can't really affect this now, however, rest assured (and in peace) that we'll deal with GE and apparently LSG tomorrow.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves yet.

[LoneStarGirl]

Looks like eagle fan forgot about us

[Telle]

Looks like eagle fan forgot about us

Hopefully it's not his mom again :(

[RendeR]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves yet.

Well lets say you're right and Telle is bad.

Game should be over as the wolves should be the only ones left.

IF Telle is good then the game should ALSO be over because the villagers almost certainly have an even match at 2-2 (I honestly don't believe there is only 1 baddie left if Telle turns out good.

I'm guessing the game is over either way unless something truly weird is going on.

If it doesn't end and she was GOOD, then I'm looking squarely at you GE.

does that add it all up? or have I confused everyone, including myself?

[GoldenEagle]

Hopefully it's not his mom again :(

This x2

[GoldenEagle]

Well lets say you're right and Telle is bad.

Game should be over as the wolves should be the only ones left.

IF Telle is good then the game should ALSO be over because the villagers almost certainly have an even match at 2-2 (I honestly don't believe there is only 1 baddie left if Telle turns out good.

I'm guessing the game is over either way unless something truly weird is going on.

If it doesn't end and she was GOOD, then I'm looking squarely at you GE.

does that add it all up? or have I confused everyone, including myself?

Yes, I think you are confused. But let's see how this plays out.

[EagleFan]

deadline

[EagleFan]

Sorry, got distracted by a conversation with my daughters.

[EagleFan]

Final Votes:

GoldenEagle 2 - Telle (659), RendeR (661)
Telle 3 - GoldenEagle (662), LoneStarGirl (671), henry296 (673)

[EagleFan]

You have decided...

Everyone steps away from Telle... why wait to be told...

Time ticks by... IS anything going to happen?

Then you hear the commotion beyond the fences, the blood lust has returned...

"Sorry, we were delayed... fresh chicken farm nearby..."

"Step... oh you have..."

The gate opens, Telle goes calmly with the elders. Just as she reaches the gate she turns quickly and fires one shot. Someone is hit and goes down...the gate closes behind her...

You have found the Villager Seeking Revenge, but at what cost?

Render lies motionless. He is quickly retrieved and you are informed that he was an average every day wolf.

Night is coming...

[EagleFan]

Morning comes. Two of you remain...

[RendeR]

Well fuck.....I know where THAT result came from....

[EagleFan]

LoneStarGirl has been killed, you clearly see a bite mark in her neck.

henry296 and GoldenEagle remain...

They stare each other down. In a flash GoldenEagle strikes henry296 down as he lunges for his throat...

Only one now remains... GoldenEagle has won the game for the vampires.

His face shows the pleasure of victory...

The mob appears at the gate. The gate slowly opens. The last words heard are by the elder... "stake him!"... (end scene)...

[Telle]

I TOLD you GoldenEagle was the count's convert! But no, you were focused on me. (Ok, yeah I was bad too. But I was also right! :) )

[EagleFan]

Game over, thank everyone for playing. I hope my tiebreak didn't screw things up too much for everyone.

You would have "loved" the second one (that I briefly thought had happened)... Everyone would have become a vanilla wolf and the game would have played out until only 2 remained or you figured it out.

[Telle]

Game over, thank everyone for playing. I hope my tiebreak didn't screw things up too much for everyone.

You would have "loved" the second one (that I briefly thought had happened)... Everyone would have become a vanilla wolf and the game would have played out until only 2 remained or you figured it out.

I have definitely learned my lesson, to NEVER allow a tie in one of your games!

[EagleFan]

Day one was really interesting with the names that were flying around. Based on orders that stood at one point it may have been a near slam dunk win for the wolves.

[Telle]

Day one was really interesting with the names that were flying around. Based on orders that stood at one point it may have been a near slam dunk win for the wolves.

Well part of that was RendeR's fault. Needs to learn to keep his big mouth shut in person. I swear I should have put, "I will not discuss werewolf outside of the game," into our wedding vows! :)

[GoldenEagle]

I didn't expect this to end tonight, although as it played out I think it would have been pretty easy to get Render voted out tomorrow.

I did start off as the wolf seer and was going to scan CR. It was a pure guess and I respect him a lot as a player so I just wanted to know where he was at.

I got converted by bhlloy the next night.

henry following Telle helped a lot. Without that, not sure I could have influenced the vote on her so easily.

Thanks for running the game EF and I enjoyed it. I hope we get to do it again in the near future.

[henry296]

Probably should’ve waited to see if momentum went to GE first.

[RendeR]

All I can say is, "I told you so."

I had them both pegged.

[Chief Rum]

Good game, EF! I had a lot of fun.

[timmae]

This was great fun all! Good going GE.. it was fun watching it all play out. I wasn't lying when I said GE was a wolf after the restart, I just didn't expect he'd be changed. Did you do that after my hard backing of wolf GE on D2 Henry? The timing of everything is confused in my mind with the tie restart.

Thanks for running this EF, it was a lot of fun guessing what roles may be in the game. Awesome setup for the game for sure!

[britrock88]

Darnit, GE, avoiding lynch scrutiny twice.

Telle, game effort!

I was the Count on D1, FWIW.

[Autumn]

Fun game, guys. I was excited about my initial neutral role with some twists, so it was a bummer to get transformed vanilla. I read Chief all wrong, so wasn't much help. But it was fun to be back in it.

[Telle]

So now the most important question.. when's the next game?! :)

[GoldenEagle]

Darnit, GE, avoiding lynch scrutiny twice.

Telle, game effort!

I was the Count on D1, FWIW.

Yea, I especially liked my "I will vote for myself tomorrow if Telle comes back clean line..." :p

Of course, if Telle had come back clean, I am not sure how I would have worked myself out of that one.

[bhlloy]

This was great fun all! Good going GE.. it was fun watching it all play out. I wasn't lying when I said GE was a wolf after the restart, I just didn't expect he'd be changed. Did you do that after my hard backing of wolf GE on D2 Henry? The timing of everything is confused in my mind with the tie restart.

Thanks for running this EF, it was a lot of fun guessing what roles may be in the game. Awesome setup for the game for sure!

Kinda hilarious when everyone started claiming vanilla wolf at the start of day 2, when I specifically could only target vanilla wolves as the count (and had unknown consequences for missing each night), and then you guys kept going nuts trying to one-up each other on the reveals... I really couldn't miss after that.

I have to admit I didn't believe LSE was vanilla, which was why I went with GE instead. Nothing to do with anybody's backing or anything particular in thread (if that question was intended to me rather than henry) - it was 50/50 with the claimees who weren't under threat of being lynched.

I'd be interested to know if I was targeted for NK due to the village thinking I was a wolf or suspicion I was a vampire?

[britrock88]

I'd be interested to know if I was targeted for NK due to the village thinking I was a wolf or suspicion I was a vampire?

We fired away from the vanilla wolf group--I think we would've been pleased if you had turned up as the seer, say. But because I was the D1 count, I figured that the third howl represented a successful conversion, so I would rather have gotten GE as the vampire with the kill ability than you!

[Telle]

I'd be interested to know if I was targeted for NK due to the village thinking I was a wolf or suspicion I was a vampire?

I was honest in my thinking that you were the seer, I just wasn't honest about what action that led to ;)

[bhlloy]

Yeah, I started dropping some subtle “I might have a role” hints and trying to be as loud as I could once I was pretty confident that I had the convert in the bag.

I was really hoping that the n2 Lynch would show up lying about being vanilla as that would have taken suspicion away from GE but as it happened, the wolf team just kinda forgot about that line of questioning (and in the end all 4 of the claimed vanillas were telling the truth right?)

[GoldenEagle]

I am willing to run the next game if there is enough interest.

[RendeR]

:+1: :+1: :+1: :+1:

[timmae]

I have nothing but time in the month of May here in Illinois. I'm in!

[EagleFan]

I'll join.

[Autumn]

Sure, I can probably give another whirl at this.

[Chief Rum]

I would give it another go.

[timmae]

Looks like we have 6 victims already!

[GoldenEagle]

Ok. I will post a thread soon and get started on a theme. Will keep it simple to try to attract new players.

[Telle]

Ok. I will post a thread soon and get started on a theme. Will keep it simple to try to attract new players.

Sooooo.... where's the new game thread? :)

[timmae]

Yeah, I want to be a wolf again! ;)

[RendeR]

I want to be falsely accused of everything by Telle some more.....

[Telle]

I want to be falsely accused of everything by Telle some more.....

Nothing false from me. Maybe the next game won't be so confusing for you so you won't make similar mistakes... or maybe you'll learn to just not talk about WW :P

[RendeR]

:deadhorse:

[GoldenEagle]

I got busy over the last couple of weeks, but I have a theme in mind and will post it for signups tonight.

[Telle]

:deadhorse:

So does that mean you learned your lesson and I don't have to scold you anymore? :)

[RendeR]

So does that mean you learned your lesson and I don't have to scold you anymore? :)



You don't really want to know what it means.....