Werewolf Xtreme III --- Game Over (Result in Post 434)

[EagleFan]

Worst: 55.6%
Bad: 22.2%
Better: 19.1%
Best: 3.1%


That is if Telle is a villager. If she is a wolf guiding the vote our odd go down much more.

[EagleFan]

We may need reveals.

[RendeR]

I wouldn't reveal today, tomorrow assuming they are still alive, definitely but today just makes them the obvious night kill.

[EagleFan]

If Telle is a wolf we are pretty much in the Worst and Bad scenarios.

[EagleFan]

I wouldn't reveal today, tomorrow assuming they are still alive, definitely but today just makes them the obvious night kill.

But a bad lynch and night kill and it could be over. Your logic seems very wolfy.

[timmae]

Render, you haven't provided much hunting, thoughts, theories or investigation for the village. I will reread your posts but couch jokes and vampire talk ring loud in my mind.

What are your reads on the others? Good points/bad?

[RendeR]

If we lynch a villager today we lose, unless we got VERY lucky with our lynch. based on the worst case scenario unless the priest has something to truly even the balance of the game today they should wait until tomorrow.

If there is a KNOWN villager going to the lynch then, sure, bring it out, but realize that person is dead overnight. Its gotta be knowledge that guarantees us a day 4.

[EagleFan]

I have no read on Jackal so far. He is the wild card. Hoping my orange and black tinted glasses aren't affecting my judgement here.

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 258:

3 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), CrimsonFox (209), RendeR (230)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)

[EagleFan]

I have to say, this no reveal on death rule really makes this rough. We would at least know about where we were at. Is the priest dead? Is the seer dead? Are we not getting reveals because of that? Is the priest not revealing because britt was a wolf? What happened with the seer's scans? Did their N0 scan get killed D1 or N1?

Sorry, more thinking out loud. Just getting my random train of thought out there.

[RendeR]

Render, you haven't provided much hunting, thoughts, theories or investigation for the village. I will reread your posts but couch jokes and vampire talk ring loud in my mind.

What are your reads on the others? Good points/bad?

You're absolutely right, i haven't offered up much and I'll tell you why:

1: it was day 1, we know nothing we can assume nothing and until day 2 there is no voting record to really study.

2: I was on the block, I literally had to reserve my own actions to protect myself. Nothing to hide there, self preservation is literally the main game mechanic.

3: I got no feel for anyone specifically until today when re-reading your posts


As for my thoughts on everyone right now:

I've got no real read on Eaglefan, Crimson, or Jackal none of them have really posted anything out of the ordinary. Eaglefan HAS been extraordinarily talkative this game as opposed to the last one, so I'm not writing him off yet.

You, Coffee, and Telle are all on my radar.

Coffee is posting things that make me feel like he's playing both sides against the middle, just a gut feeling but thats how it is.

Telle played the desperation game yesterday to avoid lynching, so other than always being suspicious of her because of how well i know her and how she acts/plays she's still on my watch list.

Thats what i've dug up thus far. I have nothing on the others at all.

[RendeR]

I have to say, this no reveal on death rule really makes this rough. We would at least know about where we were at. Is the priest dead? Is the seer dead? Are we not getting reveals because of that? Is the priest not revealing because britt was a wolf? What happened with the seer's scans? Did their N0 scan get killed D1 or N1?

Sorry, more thinking out loud. Just getting my random train of thought out there.

I'm optimistically hoping that the non reveal thus far means we nabbed a wolf day 1, but that would be pure luck.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote

[CrimsonFox]

vote jackal

[The Jackal]

just got back from putting the kiddos to bed.. did I even have kids the last time I played a game? had twin boys last June

[The Jackal]

I pulled my vote off CF because

1) I asked him to contribute and to his credit, he did
2) his weird actions (the vote that didn't count, the self vote) would be more of a sorcerer than a wolf move, if he's a baddie

[The Jackal]

what didn't you like about it

1) read the rules ;)
2) as i just mentioned in the post above, in a game in which people have been fairly quiet/reserved, it was the most sorcerer-y move I could see at the time

[EagleFan]

just got back from putting the kiddos to bed.. did I even have kids the last time I played a game? had twin boys last June

Congrats. You probably haven;t slept in about 14 months.

[The Jackal]

Congrats. You probably haven;t slept in about 14 months.

barely remember most of the first year but (knock on wood) sleep has been much better the past few months. in other news our nanny just gave her two weeks notice today, yay

flyers you better win the gd cup

[JAG]

Just to be clear, you can have Unvote and Votes in the same post, just requested that you use separate lines:

e.g.

Unvote
Vote ""

[EagleFan]

Do we have a vote count?

My time got pushed to 8 so I will do what I can to be on around deadline but I may be tied up.... not literally, we're not doing "those" kind of videos...

[The Jackal]

hate to break it to you but it is impossible for a village to win this game

So CF is the sorcerer...

this dropped off, CF why is it impossible for the village to win this game? for all we know brit was a wolf, the seer could easily still be alive and nail a wolf or two. no reveals make it hard but the wolves don't know anything either, they can easily be blindsided by seer/priest data

tend to agree this is another point in the CF is sorcerer category..

[The Jackal]

2 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)
1 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (264)

is what I see EF

[The Jackal]

with telle and my votes remaining

would love to hear from telle here, what does the database say?!

[EagleFan]

Thank you

[RendeR]

She's coming, just having a quick dinner.

I have to go grab a shower and get ready to get to work in a few but I'll be around before deadline.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote

[timmae]

I feel more like coffee is a wolf and crimson is village based on the past few hours. Render's response to my no hunting post read good.

[RendeR]

bbiab, gotta switch machines for work.

[Telle]

Sorry guys, been an emotional day. The good news is the mammogram six-months post-lumpectomy is clear (lump wasn't cancer, it was pre-pre-cancer.. but still scary as fuck). The bad news is I got pissed at RendeR for something stupid and went and hid in the bedroom instead of getting on the computer and catching up with werewolf.

I'm caught up now. I realized I had an issue with my database/website yesterday when trying to get the vote totals to work and that the issue would surface in trying to see Day 2 (and further) votes as the play-by-play I was posting for Day 1. I'll query it straight out of the database though and copy-paste to here.. it won't be as pretty as what I had yesterday though.

[The Jackal]

glad to hear there was good news.. sending healthy and good vibes your way on that front

[The Jackal]

are you scraping the site/thread for your database? just out of curiosity

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 282:

2 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)

1 hour 15 minutes until deadline

[timmae]

Yikes, that is crazy telle. Glad things seem to be ok. Way more important than this stuff.

[timmae]

Yikes, that is crazy telle. Glad things seem to be ok. Way more important than this stuff.

Ok other than render that is. But he seems like a resilient chap.

[Telle]

24|EagleFan|Telle|146
25|The Jackal|CrimsonFox|152
26|timmae|CrimsonFox|155
27|Coffee Warlord|timmae|186
29|CrimsonFox|timmae|209
30|timmae|UNVOTE|227
31|timmae|Coffee Warlord|228
32|EagleFan|UNVOTE|229
33|RendeR|timmae|230
34|EagleFan|Coffee Warlord|236
35|The Jackal|UNVOTE|238
36|CrimsonFox|UNVOTE|263
37|CrimsonFox|The Jackal|264
38|CrimsonFox|UNVOTE|277

[Telle]

first column is the vote record ID, I'll leave that out next time... then voter, votee, and post number

[Telle]

are you scraping the site/thread for your database? just out of curiosity

No, manually entering everything but it is still a LOT faster than trying to do it all in a spreadsheet.

This is my first time doing any web stuff, so even this much is quite the adventure for me. That is on my radar for a potential future upgrade though :)

[Telle]

Ok, probably late in the day today to be throwing this out there, and EagleFan said he wouldn't be around so can't defend himself, but something to ponder... anyone else getting a weird dynamic between EagleFan and timmae?

[The Jackal]

Ok, probably late in the day today to be throwing this out there, and EagleFan said he wouldn't be around so can't defend himself, but something to ponder... anyone else getting a weird dynamic between EagleFan and timmae?

mildly, I mean we have to judge EF solely on today which is tough but he has been active

[Telle]

On Day 1 I advocated for the Priest revealing on Day 2 so that we can get what info he has before he's dead, and to be able to read something into the Day 1 votes... but with the way I led a runaway vote on an inactive player at the end of Day 1, I'm not sure how much it would tell us. If brit comes back villager then the wolves could have easily jumped on the bandwagon with glee. So yeah, another way my Day 1 performance was less than stellar.

[Telle]

mildly, I mean we have to judge EF solely on today which is tough but he has been active

Me reading through most of today in just one sitting could be coloring my opinion, but I got the feeling that they were actively trying to disagree with each other. I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about timmae, and seeing that kind of interaction makes me wonder if they're both wolves and trying to keep us from connecting them. I need to reread to see if that was happening most when timmae had votes on him.

[Telle]

Well going to go with that gut feeling on this. Unfortunately we won't get a reveal from tonight so if we lynch timmae that won't tell us if I'm potentially onto something here, but I don't have anything more to go on right now so might as well go with it..

VOTE timmae

[CrimsonFox]

timmae you may as well claim

[CrimsonFox]

as much as I hate playing that way we have absolutely nothing to go on and if this is our second mislynch the game is already over.

[timmae]

I am 100% village. If you have no other evil on your radar then we are doomed anyways.

[timmae]

Telle knows my last games well. My guess is she and coffee are wolves. Good luck village.

[Telle]

Ok, got the website to kinda start working... it's not splitting up the vote-by-vote per day, but I know where Day 1 ended and Day 2 began, so I can just copy-past the relevant section:

EagleFan voted for Telle in post 146
The Jackal voted for CrimsonFox in post 152
timmae voted for CrimsonFox in post 155
Coffee Warlord voted for timmae in post 186
CrimsonFox voted for timmae in post 209
timmae UNVOTED in post 227
timmae voted for Coffee Warlord in post 228
EagleFan UNVOTED in post 229
RendeR voted for timmae in post 230
EagleFan voted for Coffee Warlord in post 236
The Jackal UNVOTED in post 238
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 263
CrimsonFox voted for The Jackal in post 264
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 277
Telle voted for timmae in post 293

[The Jackal]

vote timmae

[EagleFan]

I don't see anything pointing to timmae. I have a few minutes between "shoots" to look things over and answer questions.

CF seems a lot like a sorcerer to me.

I still feel Telle/CW combo nets one wolf and Jackal/RendeR the other. Maybe timmae is the sorcerer instead of CF?

[Telle]

Telle knows my last games well. My guess is she and coffee are wolves. Good luck village.

If I knew you well I would have seen your last-second vote switch coming in the last game. Totally missing the fact that you'd do that got me lynched.

[CrimsonFox]

I am 100% village. If you have no other evil on your radar then we are doomed anyways.

i'm not voting for you currently. are you saying you are vanilla?

as far as others it is really hard to read people based on activity

everyone has been on and off. I also see people lurking but that really means nothing.

[Telle]

4 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230), Telle (293), The Jackal (299)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)

[CrimsonFox]

vote eaglefan

[CrimsonFox]

maybe an allclaim is the way to go

[timmae]

I will tell the village this... i have been 100% honest with all my thoughts. Not much more I can do. It reads how it reads.

[Telle]

Ok that was a little out of left-field... Why EagleFan?

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 307:

4 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230), Telle (293), The Jackal (299)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)
1 EagleFan - CrimsonFox (304)

[RendeR]

I'm confused by the vote for EF as well....adding a 3rd party only muddies the waters, timmae loses any ties as long as coffee stays on him (a position coffee was in yesterday as well, which is interesting too)

[timmae]

Ok, claim time. I am the priest. Brit was the sorc. Good luck village!

[Telle]

I need to monkey around with my code a little, so here's the latest on the votes.. any votes that come in after that may take me awhile since I'll likely break things before I fix them.

EagleFan voted for Telle in post 146
The Jackal voted for CrimsonFox in post 152
timmae voted for CrimsonFox in post 155
Coffee Warlord voted for timmae in post 186
CrimsonFox voted for timmae in post 209
timmae UNVOTED in post 227
timmae voted for Coffee Warlord in post 228
EagleFan UNVOTED in post 229
RendeR voted for timmae in post 230
EagleFan voted for Coffee Warlord in post 236
The Jackal UNVOTED in post 238
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 263
CrimsonFox voted for The Jackal in post 264
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 277
Telle voted for timmae in post 293
The Jackal voted for timmae in post 299
CrimsonFox voted for EagleFan in post 304

[Telle]

Goddamnit, timmae, now I have to wait until after deadline to play with my code 'cause you go and throw a monkey wrench into things.

[timmae]

I like to do that to you I guess.

[timmae]

I am dead either way so if you have sure evil vote for them. Otherwise 2 villagers go out today/tonight.

[Telle]

So, do we trust timmae? If he's a wolf, claiming he's the Priest and yesterday's lynch was the Sorcerer seems like the safest move. If he's lying, the real Sorcerer won't reveal because he wants the wolves to win.

[RendeR]

The only way we know is if someone else claims to be the real priest.

[RendeR]

we have 10 minutes to decide.

[RendeR]

Do we have any reason to believe him to be lying?

[RendeR]

If what he says is true then all of my commentary regarding timmae is wrong, because he was literally being himself and pointing out things to show him good.

[Telle]

Do we have any reason to believe him to be lying?

It's almost deadline and he doesn't want to die? If he's a wolf, he'll do anything to stay alive.. and this seems like a relatively safe play to do so.

[RendeR]

We have 7 minutes to decide.

[The Jackal]

why wait until 20 minutes before deadline to reveal?

[RendeR]

Fair enough, if he's lying where is the real priest? Lets prove him wrong.

[RendeR]

why wait until 20 minutes before deadline to reveal?

Because unless he had something concrete he shouldn't be revealing at all, so this makes sense.

[Telle]

In my opinion, if he's lying then the real Priest should pray he doesn't get night killed and then reveal tomorrow.

[CrimsonFox]

vote coffee warlord

[RendeR]

I'll bite. if he's lying then he got me and i will repay him in some future game ;)


UNVOTE

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

[RendeR]

3 Minutes.....

[Telle]

vote coffee warlord

Did you unvote first? I have you as being on EagleFan post #304

[CrimsonFox]

unvote

[CrimsonFox]

vote coffee

[CrimsonFox]

ugh why did i join this

[CrimsonFox]

soo sooo hate noreveals

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 333:

4 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236), RendeR (327), CrimsonFox (331)
3 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), , Telle (293), The Jackal (299)

[timmae]

I am legit. Telle and coffee are prime suspects.

[CrimsonFox]

Fair enough, if he's lying where is the real priest? Lets prove him wrong.

i mean that's just it. because it is no reveal there is no way of knowing for the village
if he is a wolf guessing then he guessed right

otherwise

if he IS the priest...waiting to claim is his perrogative trying not to give himself away blahblah

on the other hand i probably would have revealed it earlier

but then again....knowing that brit was the sorc does not help the village one iota

except maybe stopping people thinking I am the sorc

[CrimsonFox]

I am legit. Telle and coffee are prime suspects.

yeah i don't like telle's posts lately timmae

[JAG]

Deadline

[CrimsonFox]

In my opinion, if he's lying then the real Priest should pray he doesn't get night killed and then reveal tomorrow.

hate this post

[CrimsonFox]

It's almost deadline and he doesn't want to die? If he's a wolf, he'll do anything to stay alive.. and this seems like a relatively safe play to do so.

i mean this is true too and definitely what a wolf would do

we have no way of knowing either way

my own feeling is to trust a claim that hasn't been cc-ed is really the only thing we can do

[JAG]

Final Day 2 Vote:

4 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236), RendeR (327), CrimsonFox (331)
3 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), Telle (293), The Jackal (299)

[JAG]

You have decided that Coffee Warlord is the lynch for today. He is killed.

Night actions are due by 10:30pm EST.

[Telle]

hate this post

Why? Revealing two minutes before deadline seemed like a bad move. If timmae was lying then it makes sense for the real Priest to wait it out at that point. The only danger is if the wolves manage to get lucky.. and I thought putting in the "pray" line for a Priest was witty.

[EagleFan]

Sorry, hit refresh to get back in and got a site error for some reason.

Looks like I missed a bunch.

So, IF timmae was telling the truth that changes my read of CF, but we won't know unless there is a real priest still around.

[EagleFan]

So IF timmae was telling the truth:

britt (S)
Autumn (V) Roled?
timmae (V)

Leaves us at 4-2 and about to be 3-2. We have to be perfect the next two lynches, or if we are good tomorrow we need the hunter to still be around for the end.

Sounds perfectly easy... :eek:

[EagleFan]

The other options are:

timmae actually the sorcerer; still likely leaves us in the same scenario

timmae a wolf: Likely leaves us 3-1-1 tomorrow (still 3-2). I don't see an upside in him doing a fake reveal of that if he is a wolf.

[Telle]

The other options are:

timmae actually the sorcerer; still likely leaves us in the same scenario

timmae a wolf: Likely leaves us 3-1-1 tomorrow (still 3-2). I don't see an upside in him doing a fake reveal of that if he is a wolf.

If you're a wolf and dead either way, why not do a fake reveal? What's the downside?

[JAG]

Processing

[JAG]

You wake up from the evening and find that EagleFan has been brutally murdered in his sleep.

Day 3 begins, deadline is Wednesday 10:00pm EST

[Telle]

vote-by-vote for Day 2:

Day 2
EagleFan voted for Telle in post 146
The Jackal voted for CrimsonFox in post 152
timmae voted for CrimsonFox in post 155
Coffee Warlord voted for timmae in post 186
CrimsonFox voted for timmae in post 209
timmae UNVOTED in post 227
timmae voted for Coffee Warlord in post 228
EagleFan UNVOTED in post 229
RendeR voted for timmae in post 230
EagleFan voted for Coffee Warlord in post 236
The Jackal UNVOTED in post 238
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 263
CrimsonFox voted for The Jackal in post 264
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 277
Telle voted for timmae in post 293
The Jackal voted for timmae in post 299
CrimsonFox voted for EagleFan in post 304
RendeR UNVOTED in post 327
RendeR voted for Coffee Warlord in post 327
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 330
CrimsonFox voted for Coffee Warlord in post 331

[Telle]

Huh.. well that takes care of that theory of mine.

[timmae]

Wow... will post more later but...

Coffee Warlord was a werewolf. Down to 1 wolf village! Let's hunt this day!!

[RendeR]

EagleFan: Shortest WW entrance and exit in history, didn't last a full 24 hours....

[RendeR]

So our choices tomorrow are:

Jackal
Telle
CrimsonFox

I know I'm just a villager, I have no role I have nothing special

one of those three is the hunter, one is the other Wolf.

After Crimson's attitude during the last game, he's positively morose in this one, I'm leaning his way to start. if anyone has anything to move that let me know.

[timmae]

Whew, that was crazy. Ok, it is down to 1 ww and 4 villagers. I truly think our seer was autumn. There was almost nothing to go on but I think someone caught the possible hint. We can discuss if needed but if the seer is still alive then claim and we win this. If not, please believe me that the sorc and one wwrewolf is down. My guess is that I am alive because the last werewolf figured they could create doubt today. We are in great shape.

Does an all claim clear this up? The werewolf knows I am what I say I am now. Maybe they thought I was the sorc but nope. I am almost assuredly dead during the NK. Worst case is the hunter is dead. Then we have 3 vanilla villagers and there could be 4 claims of vanilla
We need to figure this out without an all claim I think.

[CrimsonFox]

shrug

autumn is always the first night kill here
another reason it is less fun :(

[CrimsonFox]

hi timmae

[CrimsonFox]

world 1:
Priest - Timmae
wolf - Coffee
sorc - brit
dead v's = ef, autumn did ef claim? I need to go read him

world 2:
wolf - timmae
vv or good spec - coffee
brit could still be the sorc in timmae wolf world
he could also be wolf but less likely.
granted we'd need to figure out if bussing existed
If brit good, then lynch 1 was wolf?

WOrld 3
if timmae wolf and other wolf and sorc still alive...
9 minus 4 dead villas = 5 people left
this is worst case
but wolves don't know sorc
timmae could have just said "hey sorc vote with us and we win" but he doesn't know
so in the case of timmae + wolf still alive they would still have to assume it was 2 wolces vs 3 villas worst case.
so unfortunately we can't rule this out either

However there was no priest counterclaim.
So I am still siding with timmae being the real deal. The only other alternative i think was autumn or inactive brit was priest and he just yoloed saying he was priest

but there is absolutely zero way we can know this at this point.

[timmae]

No yolo crimson. I am the real deal. I need to reread in the morn but village has this dominated.

[CrimsonFox]

there's no such thing as dominating a no reveal game, realdeal
and seriously i'mma just calling you realdeal for now and evermore

i would definitely like to hear some of your analysis realdeal
any topic will do

[CrimsonFox]

isn't there actually an fofc member called realdeal?

[timmae]

Real deal - Autumn may be seer, almost a lock as there wasn't an immidia-claim today.

Real deal - brit was the sorc

Real deal - Coffee was an evil, foaming werewolf.

Real deal - People find reasons to call someone evil rather than give them credit for trying their ass off to find evil.

Real deal - My allies that I love vs our axis of evil.

Real deal - JAG musing during every step of this nightmare he has perpetuated.

[timmae]

isn't there actually an fofc member called realdeal?

Wow, there is. And he was a ww player. Spooky.

[CrimsonFox]

1) read the rules ;)
2) as i just mentioned in the post above, in a game in which people have been fairly quiet/reserved, it was the most sorcerer-y move I could see at the time

pssst
i never read rules

[CrimsonFox]

Wow, there is. And he was a ww player. Spooky.

hahaha i THOUGHT i rememberedd seeing him before reading through old games :)

maybe jackal knows him?

[CrimsonFox]

I feel more like coffee is a wolf and crimson is village based on the past few hours. Render's response to my no hunting post read good.

you still think this?

[CrimsonFox]

i don't think coffee/telle are wolves together.

render could be with either i guess. This is based on page 1 arguments

reminding myself that i said this. granted i was really wrong about you timmae so i could be wrong here

but if of telle/render I think render might be the woofer

[CrimsonFox]

hahaha

i like this post actually

this was to render's I"M NOT INACTIVE.

i liked it but meh

[CrimsonFox]

check out this post, realdeal2

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Werewolf Xtreme III --- Day 3 Deadline Wednesday 10:00pm EST (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3295189&postcount=230)

render quoting timmae 3 times then quoting coffee once and then declaring timmae is a wolf

[timmae]

So our choices tomorrow are:

Jackal
Telle
CrimsonFox

I know I'm just a villager, I have no role I have nothing special

one of those three is the hunter, one is the other Wolf.

After Crimson's attitude during the last game, he's positively morose in this one, I'm leaning his way to start. if anyone has anything to move that let me know.

Render, can you explain why you think the hunter is still alive? I think it is possible that the hunter was NK'd (or lynched if you don't believe me yet).

[timmae]

ok, for today let's talk this thing out and get our wolfy. The roles in bold are hard claim from me. You don't have to believe me 100% but please take a moment to reread the posts with my claim in mind.

WOLF 1 - Coffee Warlord
WOLF 2 - ???
SORCERER - Britrock

SEER - The seer is almost certainly Autumn. It is possible it may have been EF but the right play was absolutely to come out with their scans yesterday when I claimed priest. He was away maybe when I claimed so wouldn't be able to claim at the last 15 minutes. That was my bad about not giving as much time as possible near the end. However, I think the seer was Autumn. It is possible that the seer is still alive
PRIEST - Timmae
HUNTER - Either EF or still alive
VILLAGER - Render claim. Need to clear this.
VILLAGER - Telle claim. Need to clear this.
VILLAGER - ???

Jackal and Crimsonfox haven't claimed yet.

[timmae]

I reread the game with the knowledge that CW is a wolf. It is quite clear to me who the other werewolf is but I'd like some discussion before I throw my thoughts out there.

[Telle]

Just taking a quick break at work to catch up on where things are since last night.

What does everyone think about timmae being the priest and NOT getting night killed? If he's telling the truth then there's only one wolf left and that wolf is in a desperate spot. Would it have made sense for the remaining wolf to let timmae live to cause confusion, while knowing that timmae would reveal that a wolf was just lynched so that we then all know that there's only one wolf left?

If timmae is telling the truth then we're at 4 villagers and 1 wolf with no sorcerer to muck things up. We're in a as good of a spot possible without having already won and have both tonight and tomorrow to find the wolf.

If timmae is lying then we're potentially at 3-2 and this is it.

[The Jackal]

I'm slammed at work today, will get back to give my thoughts later this afternoon. Initial read is that's great news about CW being a wolf -- I feel like the real priest would have countered by now if timmae is lying, so the only snag is if timmae is a wolf who got lucky with picking a role of someone who was already dead. But signs point to him telling the truth so far -- more later as I have a chance to catch up

[timmae]

Just checking in... I'll add more musings mid to late afternoon. I have done a thorough read through and have some feedback to share. My gut feel is 2 are cleared through key posts and the other through gut feel. I'd like to see more from a few of you though! Let your thoughts roll!!

[JAG]

Day 3 Voting as of Post 375:

No votes yet.

[timmae]

Ok, I guess the time is now. I'll post a wall of text on my 2 in depth reads and then post a quick blurb on my gut feels based on those reads. I'll be around to discuss off and on.

[timmae]

Thoughts on Telle.

Vote Telle

Someone always has to break the ice. :) And I have a VERY good reason this time! I don't trust people with spreadsheets. They are the tools of Lucifer. And probably wolves too. But definitely Satan.

Early D1 Wolf CW votes Telle. Likely doesn't happen if she is a wolf partner.

So who among us has played one of these kinds of games before? Any insights that'll help?

With no reveal upon death we'll have no way of knowing how the votes went until the Seer or Priest out themselves. And we have to hope we don't accidentally vote either one and that they both survive night kills.

Three botched votes ends the game in favor of the wolves, and each botched vote increases the odds that we hit the See or Priest with the next one. Should the Priest and Seer stay quiet until Day 3 and then reveal all they know? Or should the Priest come out Day 2 and the Seer Day 3? I'm leaning towards the latter because I want to know more sooner and not cross my fingers that we don't fuck up Day 3 but I'm not sure if that's the smart move or not. Thoughts?

A bit of hunting. A good sign overall for villagers.

Well thanks for your gut-led vote of confidence, timmae. Of course if you're a wolf then you know I'm a villager, so you could just be blowing smoke to get in my good graces.

My problem is that I'm the very first vote-getter, so I lose any ties unless Coffee decides to go elsewhere. I can self-defense vote for Render, but then he'll do the same and I die. I need more movement to survive.

This is end of D1 near lynch. I don't think that Wolf Telle points out strategy for Wolf CW because if he moves his vote to save her from Villager Render then it looks quite bad.

Okay ... Telle. Again.

On one hand, I get it. Complete survival move, and got a last second push to vote someone else.

On the other hand, I hate that it was such a simple, easy target.

On the other other hand, she herself points out a few hours prior that she believes the wolves are highly unlikely to be either of the inactives. (I personally don't buy into that all that much - I've played many games where a wolf was an idle one, but it's a reasonable theory.) So she's saving herself as a vanilla villager by moving to the vote to someone else she believes it a villager ... and thusly upping the odds of hitting a role.

On the other other other hand, idle players are a pain in the ass.

On the other other other OTHER hand, it was a day 1 vote. Shit happens.

This bugs me, though.

Early D2 would Wolf CW push Telle for being wolfy when she just escaped the lynch? Likely not.



End of D2 when I claimed Wolf Telle could have been silent as I was in the lead and under pressure. Instead she was pushing a possible vote move.

KEY POST is #329.

Did you unvote first? I have you as being on EagleFan post #304

At that point Render jumped from me to Coffee Warlord making it 3 votes each. If Telle was a wolf then no way would she point out to CF that his vote on CW doesn't count because he didn't unvote. Wolf Telle would let it ride and hope no one else catches it. Thus saving CW due to LHV. That act cause CW to be lynched and not me. Could a wolf pull this move, possibly. Would there be any incentive to though is the key item. Going into D3 with 2 wolves is way more important.

I read Telle as exactly what she claimed. Vanilla villager.

[timmae]

Thoughts on CrimsonFox.

vote render

he needs the player experience

This was the vote that wasn't D1 since he didn't unvote. This happens again with the Telle catch on late D2. I think it is truly villager CF not checking rules.

Look who's in the thread now.

Late D2 Wolf CW points out the CF appeared when he was mentioned. I don't think a wolf says that about a wolf and drawing attention to them.

Then crimson starts his walls of posts and throwing thoughts out there. This is a villager move in my mind. He doesn't care how he reads or by whom it would appear.

Both Crimson and Coffee are voting for me early D2. In a no reveal game that may happen but still unlikely for 2 wolves to vote onto 1 player so soon. If CF was wold then he jumps off of me, who he would know is a wolf, to Jackal who has no votes, thus thinning the votes out. For no reason. This reads village to me. He pushes the fact that the game may be over late in D2 when I am hung up. A wolf probably just lets it happen without saying much of anything. Crimson then jumps from EF, to wolf CW. The unvote thing happens and when Telle points it out he unvoted immediately and votes CW. I don't see a wolf doing that to his partner. Again, for no reason.

I read CF as villager.

[timmae]

Thoughts on Render.

I have a tough time overall with him as past games we have been at odds almost from D1 both times. I think it was 2. Anyways, he seems to me like a player that goes by tone, feel and syntax if that makes sense at all. Less Data Geek and more "aha, gotcha". Probably not fair but that's my take. Anyways, my reads on him have been absolutely more gut feel from my side because of that. When he pushed I pushed type thing. At the end of it all, I get the sense he is villager. He has pushed for info, stated hwhen something doesn't seem right and hasn't seemed to care much about how he has been viewed.

Leaning village here.

[timmae]

Thoughts on Jackal (in this world view our wolf).

I feel like there was another version we played where the seer nailed wolves with their first two scans and dominated it, though I've played so many rule sets I could be mis-remembering

Feels like an ok entry post. Village tone.

Mid day D1 has a few middle of the road posts with gameplay thoughts.

I'm always torn with people who say nothing on d1. They're asking for attention, but on the other hand, what if they're genuinely busy and have an important role?

Sticks in the middle here.

He is ok with a train on brit or mau at the end of the day. As wolf he could be protecting render or telle here but unlikely as that would draw some attention. Ending up voting on inactive player in brit which is a vote on the unknown sorc.

so, looking at things from last night, it seems to me more likely that Telle is telling the truth and made a risky (i.e. could be nailing an inactive seer unintentionally) VV decision, and I can't fault self preservation even if you may want to genuinely make the sacrifice as a VV in this small a game. Plus, it's nice having people alive that participate!

that said it's not out of the realm of possibility that she was slow playing it -- render had less to be concerned about because of the oldest vote being on telle, but I likely would have expected an earlier fake reveal from a wolf on the chopping block, rather than waiting until the last 5-10 minutes to plea for pushing onto someone inactive. I see both sides of things, but at the moment I lean towards VV naivety.

D2 he starts by staying in the middle of whether telle is villager or not and leans villager.

It's really hard to say anything about CF at this point. Is it a wolf hiding in inactivity or are we picking off inactive villagers? Being this was my first game in awhile, I definitely forgot about it for a few hours yesterday while I was working, but it's been a long time since CF's last post

Honestly not sure what to make of CW, I see what you're saying about the jokey vibe, but it also feels like what I recall of CW's playstyle.

Also, not sure anyone is worthy of being a "trusted ally" at this point with 0 trusted reveals/trusted information :D

This is another middling post with no concrete stance of good versus evil.

the CF bat signal worked perfectly

This post pushes more suspicion onto CF and votes CF.

I pulled my vote off CF because

1) I asked him to contribute and to his credit, he did
2) his weird actions (the vote that didn't count, the self vote) would be more of a sorcerer than a wolf move, if he's a baddie

Over explains when he pulls his vote off of CF.

I took note during my read through he never mentions whether he thinks I am good or evil but places a 4th vote on me late in D2. Overall he has not pushed anyone too hard and has played middle of the road. I truly think he is our wolf that was reading me as the sorc.

This read has more to do with being sold that Telle and CF likely are not wolves based on daily interactions with CW. Both of them absolutely could make a super awesome play and be wolves but I feel like that is unlikely. My gut tells me Render is village and Jackal is wolf.

[CrimsonFox]

Thank you,

This is exactly where I was going as well. Something about Timmae Smells, like dog fur....

VOTE TIMMAE

I'll bite. if he's lying then he got me and i will repay him in some future game ;)


UNVOTE

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

hmmmm render DID do THIS
coulda been insurance but that was at a time when I think the wolves could have won

[CrimsonFox]

oops didn't mean to include the first post in that. must have accidently multiquoted

[CrimsonFox]

grrrr every time i find a good post i want to quote i lose it again...

[CrimsonFox]

anyway telle isn't a wolf
i had several reasons but now i can't find them

[CrimsonFox]

it's render of jackal

and that last second render vote on coffee...wow
if that's a wolf then they are seriously bussing.
on the other hand you DID call yourself the priest then and that's a good reason to flip

but jackal hasn't been stellar

vote jackal

[CrimsonFox]

i'mma read realdeal's stuff some more

[timmae]

Thanks CF! Any feedback and discussion is good for the village right now.

[CrimsonFox]

okay cool we're on the same page....there was a great render post long and detailed that i liked and then there was that post about you realdeal.

but he did vote off coffee after i did
or maybe at the same time

50/50 i think on that

[CrimsonFox]

i guess the answer to "why didn't the wolf kill timmae" is because that means he would be confirmed priest instead of wibblywobbly priest

[CrimsonFox]

if i can't have you...I don't want nobody baby

[CrimsonFox]

hello world there's a song that we're singin
to make you happyyyyyyyyyy
a whole lotta lovin is what we'll be bringin
to make you happy

[CrimsonFox]

it's almost halloween so i am making a jag o lantern

[CrimsonFox]

jagjagjagjagjagjagjag

[CrimsonFox]

little ditty bout jag and diane
two american wolves eating a bowl of marzipan

[CrimsonFox]

gajgajgajgajgaj

[CrimsonFox]

telle come on in and give us your charts and graphs

[CrimsonFox]

i resurrect chief rum to solve this for us

[The Jackal]

I'm a VV, re: timmae's quote thread above, it's been ages since I've played so I'm sure my posts have probably come off fairly neutral as I'm figuring things out

[The Jackal]

to be fair I did not throw much suspicion on CW and my voting record doesn't do me any favors assuming he is a wolf..

[The Jackal]

I'm pretty sanguine on timmae being truthful here, and I'm still leaning Telle as VV which leaves me with leaves me with render and CF

I had assumed CF was the sorcerer which it seems like was actually brit, so now his game is just confusing to me

render has skated by without much attention since he was involved in the d1 voting, which in retrospect i kind of wish we'd put more towards him d2

[CrimsonFox]

so what do you think of each of the remaining people jackal?

[The Jackal]

they both put late votes on CW, CF's originally was going to be the 3rd vote so at that point he could have been hoping render wouldn't switch

[The Jackal]

I mean, I guess I still have to consider the scenario that timmae got the lucky priest reveal, which throws a lot into question in terms of the voting record

[The Jackal]

it's bath and bed time for the kids i'll think about it a bit more and come back later, it's not the end of the world if I go down because I'm pretty sure we'd have one more shot, but i'll run through everyone again when I get back

timmae -- probably priest, maybe lucky wolf
telle -- probably villager, maybe a lucky slow play / late save at the d1 deadline
cf -- thought he was sorcerer, maybe a wolf, but being the 3rd vote on CW looks good if timmae is legit
render -- being the 4th vote on CW also looks good if timmae is legit

assuming timmae is legit, I'm guessing one of cf/render bought some credit by being one of the late votes on CW, and possibly even left timmae alive to reinforce that credit? it's not a bad move

[JAG]

Day 3 Voting as of Post 405:

1 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386)

[timmae]

vote jackal

[The Jackal]

vote CF

[The Jackal]

I'm gonna watch the flyers but definitely seems like timmae and CF have their minds made up.. telle/render let me know if you have any questions

[EagleFan]

Let's Go Flyers!

[EagleFan]

:popcorn:

[Coffee Warlord]

:popcorn:

[RendeR]

Render, can you explain why you think the hunter is still alive? I think it is possible that the hunter was NK'd (or lynched if you don't believe me yet).

I have zero evidence either way, I' assuming the best and that he's alive for the time being.

Thoughts on Render.

I have a tough time overall with him as past games we have been at odds almost from D1 both times. I think it was 2. Anyways, he seems to me like a player that goes by tone, feel and syntax if that makes sense at all. Less Data Geek and more "aha, gotcha". Probably not fair but that's my take. Anyways, my reads on him have been absolutely more gut feel from my side because of that. When he pushed I pushed type thing. At the end of it all, I get the sense he is villager. He has pushed for info, stated hwhen something doesn't seem right and hasn't seemed to care much about how he has been viewed.

Leaning village here.

This is exactly how I play, almost always.

hmmmm render DID do THIS
coulda been insurance but that was at a time when I think the wolves could have won

I was wrong on Timmae, plain and simple. When given evidence enough to move my vote, i did so.

I'm pretty sanguine on timmae being truthful here, and I'm still leaning Telle as VV which leaves me with leaves me with render and CF

I had assumed CF was the sorcerer which it seems like was actually brit, so now his game is just confusing to me

render has skated by without much attention since he was involved in the d1 voting, which in retrospect i kind of wish we'd put more towards him d2

With only 2 wolves, there is no way I would have voted for my teamate when it was a one vote swing. if i were a wolf I absolutely would have been forced to switch to keep him alive.

As I am not a wolf, history is what it is.

[RendeR]

I absolutely have been inactive today. I apologize profusely to you all. I am working now and just remembered to check in. totally my fault.

[Telle]

2 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408)

[Telle]

So my next report invention is going to have to be the vote count as of a given post. Since I don't have that yet, I'm going to try to manually figure out what the vote count was when things suddenly swung heavily towards Coffee.

Btw, the consensus at this point seems to be that timmae is legit. I'm not personally comfortable with that conclusion but admit that I'm possibly just being paranoid.

[JAG]

Day 3 Voting as of Post 417:

2 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408)

[RendeR]

I'm going to cote CrimsonFox, my reasoning is weak, I admit, but last game he was a key good guy and he was quiet as a mouse. this game he's been bouncing off the walls.

Also, its a key vote move to have the earliest vote on someone in this ruleset, because ties are broken by the oldest vote. CF placed the first vote today by a long margin.

Perhaps padding the tiebreak safety net a bit for himself?

VOTE CRIMSONFOX

[Telle]

End of Day 2
As of post #304, 9:19pm (with JAG's official count in post #308)
4 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230), Telle (293), The Jackal (299)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)
1 EagleFan - CrimsonFox (304)

timmae reveals as Priest at 9:42pm in post #310

No vote movement until 9:55pm when CF attempts to vote Coffee but doesn't unvote in post #327
RendeR almost simultaneously votes Coffee in post #328

9:57pm CF unvotes and votes Coffee posts #330/331

[Telle]

End of Day 2
As of post #304, 9:19pm (with JAG's official count in post #308)
4 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230), Telle (293), The Jackal (299)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)
1 EagleFan - CrimsonFox (304)

timmae reveals as Priest at 9:42pm in post #310

No vote movement until 9:55pm when CF attempts to vote Coffee but doesn't unvote in post #327
RendeR almost simultaneously votes Coffee in post #328

9:57pm CF unvotes and votes Coffee posts #330/331

This paints both Render and CF in a very good light (assuming timmae is the Priest as he says he is). timmae was the vote leader by a two-vote margin. He revealed but people didn't immediately jump off him. Then with five minutes to go, both Render and CF move from timmae to Coffee, who has since been identified by timmae as a wolf. If either of them is a wolf and made that move, not knowing that another would be moving their vote too, then they had nothing to gain from it.. the likely result would have still been the Priest dead and nobody to say that they voted for a wolf last-second and must therefor be a good guy. There was not likely any panic that maybe everyone would move their votes, since more than ten minutes had gone by and we were still all trying to decide whether or not to trust timmae and it wasn't exactly looking good.

So at this point, I think my only option is to

VOTE The Jackal

[Telle]

3 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407), Telle (420)
2 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408), RendeR (418)

[RendeR]

since neither CF or myself could have known the other was literally voting at the same time the other was, and no sensible wolf os going to break a tie in FAVOR of lynching a wolf teamate, this leads me to believe that perhaps CF is not the other wolf.....thoughts?

[RendeR]

Are we all assuming telle is ok then? and if so, why?

[JAG]

Day 3 Voting as of Post 423:

3 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407), Telle (420)
2 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408), RendeR (418)

[Telle]

Are we all assuming telle is ok then? and if so, why?

timmae laid out his rationale upthread

[RendeR]

UNVOTE

VOTE THE JACKAL

[timmae]

Are we all assuming telle is ok then? and if so, why?

She highlighted that CF's last vote that lynched CW was not legit allowing him to cast the deciding vote. Clears both I think.

[RendeR]

After thinking over yesterdays vote more, this is where I'm at.

[Telle]

UNVOTE

VOTE THE JACKAL

Band-waggoner. Well if we don't win when we lynch The Jackal then we can go for you tomorrow ;)

[RendeR]

You can but you'll lose totally then.

[JAG]

Deadline

[Telle]

You can but you'll lose totally then.

Honestly, if it's not The Jackal, then we're likely screwed anyways. All current info points to him, but that's LARGELY based on accepting what timmae has been saying as truth. If timmae isn't who he says he is, we lose with this lynch and there is no tomorrow.

[JAG]

Final Day 3 Voting:

4 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407), Telle (420), RendeR (426)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408)

[JAG]

You have decided that The Jackal is the lynch for today. He is killed.

The werewolves have been eliminated. The village has won!

[timmae]

Yay for the village! Awesome game peeps.

Thanks for running this JAG. It was.... interesting.

[JAG]

Thanks for playing all. A very nice job by the village, a lot of good work put in by folks.

Your cast of characters:

1 seer - mauchow / EagleFan
2 priest - timmae
3 hunter - CrimsonFox
4 villager - Telle
5 villager - RendeR
6 villager - Autumn
7 werewolf - The Jackal
8 werewolf - Coffee Warlord
9 sorceror - britrock88

[RendeR]

Wooohoo!

[timmae]

Holy crap, disnt see that coming. EF didnt have a N1 peep.I guess so didnt claim. Wow. I lucked into my entire worldbuild. Mind blown.

[RendeR]

Telle runs the next game in a couple weeks ;)

[Telle]

What were the two seer scan results?

[Telle]

Telle runs the next game in a couple weeks ;)

Eh... I don't think so :)

[The Jackal]

Playoff hockey distracted me there but I don't think it would have mattered much -- EF being the seer slightly vindicated my waffled decision between NKing EF/timmae, I suppose. Good game village!

[JAG]

EF actually told me he was thinking about making a post near night deadline with his information (that timmae was his N0 scan), but timmae was able to convince people without the help which was crucial. The wolves I believe were offline or occupied at the time of the big day 2 reveal so they couldn't react, which was probably in the end what sealed the deal.

[The Jackal]

I was around for timmae's reveal but was hoping it wouldn't shift to CW so quickly. I don't think he was able to be there though

[JAG]

What were the two seer scan results?

Only one, since mau missed the N1 scan. N0 = timmae not wolf.

[timmae]

So the late reveal helped us... hell yes!

[The Jackal]

Thanks again for the game JAG, although I had some BS going on in life I had fun and would enjoy playing some more

[The Jackal]

So the late reveal helped us... hell yes!

you played a very solid game, kudos

[The Jackal]

I probably should have done a fake seer reveal or something, clearly hunter wouldn't have helped too much

[JAG]

Speculation thread has been opened to all in case anyone wants to have a look.

Werewolf Xtreme III (https://jagww.rpg-board.net/t23-werewolf-xtreme-iii)

I can validate anyone's account if they don't currently have one.

[timmae]

So the N1 kill was just taking out a tough player I guess.

Kinda wish we would have seen more Brit D1 but since he was the sorc, maybe not!

[The Jackal]

yeah, bummer for us that we took out the sorc there, in retrospect probably should have just backed off at that deadline and let telle et al make the moves ;)

[JAG]

Considering there was thought to whacking an inactive on day 1, the other option besides the sorc was the player who was the seer.

Now think about how the game could've gone with brit being able to make a seer claim that didn't go countered because the real seer was dead (assuming the wolves didn't kill him).

[JAG]

Oh, well timmae would've known the seer is dead I suppose.

[Telle]

For anybody that's curious, this is the current URL for my WW database website I've been creating https://telle-werewolf-db.glitch.me/

While I am a computer programmer, I have very limited web-related experience. I started this with a vague understanding of HTML and style sheets.. and now have something of a grasp on SQLITE3, javascript, and JSON. The site could obviously be prettied up a bit and have some existing features tweaked, but I've been learning as I go.

[timmae]

Oh, well timmae would've known the seer is dead I suppose.

Then no one would have believed me for sure, lol.

[Telle]

Then no one would have believed me for sure, lol.

I'm still not sure I believe you ;)

[JAG]

That's pretty cool Telle.

[timmae]

For anybody that's curious, this is the current URL for my WW database website I've been creating https://telle-werewolf-db.glitch.me/

While I am a computer programmer, I have very limited web-related experience. I started this with a vague understanding of HTML and style sheets.. and now have something of a grasp on SQLITE3, javascript, and JSON. The site could obviously be prettied up a bit and have some existing features tweaked, but I've been learning as I go.

Awesome stuff... nice little hobby. I was off seinking beer and whiskey most nights. Lol.

[EagleFan]

Good job. I only had the N0 clear of timmae. I tried to beg JAG for a lsmate N1 scan but to no avail. I had a scan in for Telle last night, though I would have changed to either RendeR or Jackal if I saw CW was lynch.

Sorry, last night was a little crazy around deadlines. I thought I screwed up and missed saving timmae.

[timmae]

Err. Drinking. And yes, you likely will never believe anything I say. Ha!

[RendeR]

First rule of werewolf:

Trust No one.

[timmae]

Gotta say, I like rolled up villager EF.

Renders I am not inactive post was epic greatness.

[Coffee Warlord]

Damn kids keeping me occupied at yesterday's deadline, couldn't counter timmae's reveal.

Ah well. I was absolutely convinced from the start I was gonna get seer scanned super early, since it'd been forever since I've played.

[CrimsonFox]

whew! I fell asleep and didn't make it back!
werewolf is a cruel mistress

i was the hunter btw

[CrimsonFox]

you were fantastic realdeal!!!!!!!

[CrimsonFox]

so glad to finally play a game with you coffee :)

[CrimsonFox]

i hope render and telle have made up and aren't mad at each other

or is render still couch surfing after that v/v fight

[CrimsonFox]

wow telle that's amazing db! <3

can you teach me how to do that?

[timmae]

i hope render and telle have made up and aren't mad at each other

or is render still couch surfing after that v/v fight

I thought v/v Tender was quite mild in the anger department. Not sure about the couch surfing but I think the in game communication was awesome.

@Autumn: What happened to your second half of D1? That through me for a loop. Interestingly enough how it worked out the read I thought you had mau actually had.

With Brit going down instead of Mau our sorc wasn't around to wreck chaos. If mau went down this is a completely different game.

@telle: Was brit just a coin flip at that point? Your vote on him was the turning point early on.

[Telle]

wow telle that's amazing db! <3

can you teach me how to do that?

I'm still teaching myself! :)

Basically I poked around at glitch.com and found a few projects that use databases. I decided that I liked the ones that use actual SQL statements since I'm well versed in that. I then picked one that had a simple input field, copied it to be my starting point, and started playing. Google was very helpful when I had questions about how to do the things I was trying to do.

The date-picker for the game start and end dates was something that I found online. It wasn't quite plug-and-play though, so there was a lot of trial and error while I tried to get that to work properly.

[Telle]

I thought v/v Tender was quite mild in the anger department. Not sure about the couch surfing but I think the in game communication was awesome.

@Autumn: What happened to your second half of D1? That through me for a loop. Interestingly enough how it worked out the read I thought you had mau actually had.

With Brit going down instead of Mau our sorc wasn't around to wreck chaos. If mau went down this is a completely different game.

@telle: Was brit just a coin flip at that point? Your vote on him was the turning point early on.

We had a fight this game? :) Nothing compared to two games ago! And no we don't allow werewolf fights to bleed over into real life (although he is still kind of miffed that I actively didn't remind him that deadline was approaching Day 1 in the hopes that he'd get lynched instead of me.. I still maintain that it's his responsibility to be aware of the deadline and that we're not supposed to be talking outside of the game anyway).

And about brit, it wasn't much more than a coin flip. I remembered that he had gotten really busy during the last game so thought that could likely continue this game and I don't know mau so I figured I'd give him a chance. Basically we got lucky :)

[JAG]

Yeah, a big thanks to EF for stepping into this game on day 2. mauchow reached out to me later on day 2 and mentioned he had forgotten to reset his messages to ping his email which is why he missed the start of the game.

[britrock88]

So the late reveal helped us... hell yes!

Great game indeed.

I just got really busy Monday and didn't have a chance to check in, which was sad--I was looking forward to playing the Sorc. I thought it would be okay to be lynched as an inactive Sorc in a no-reveal game, because the role's real value is in causing doubt and (if lucky) outing the Seer to the wolves. But the Priest role (which, again, timmae played really well) negated the potential advantage.

[JAG]

I almost forgot, this was a humorous moment for me:

I feel like there was another version we played where the seer nailed wolves with their first two scans and dominated it, though I've played so many rule sets I could be mis-remembering

Yes, who was that amazing seer...oh right, I remember!

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Alright, I've been debating this, but I think with no chance of role reveals on death and what I know, there's no point in trying to pull a late post and hope I don't get NK'ed. I don't think we can afford to not lynch a wolf today in the scheme of things, and if I push any harder I'll definitely be the NK target - but pretty sure Shoveler already figured me out.

I'm the seer - my N0 scan was brit, which means he's not a wolf (but still could have been the sorceror, though I doubt it, based on the way he played). I was pretty clear in my intent not to vote brit, which I generally wouldn't be on a D1 with no knowledge.

I was initially choosing between Autumn/CR to scan, but then guessed they'd be likely NK candidates. Once CR revealed, there was no point scanning him anyways, since his allegiance would be revealed pretty soon after.

And so, on a hunch, I went with Shoveler. And he's a wolf.


(the wolves ate their own night 1, so there was only one left to scan and he did so)

[britrock88]

Good memory, JAG.

Man, I was a sparkling VV in that game. Funny we spared an inactive Sorc on D1 then... :D

[Coffee Warlord]

so glad to finally play a game with you coffee :)

Too bad I played like ass. :)

[EagleFan]

Oh, hope there are no hard feelings Telle. :)

I knew I had to go at someone when I started, based on how I was playing last game. Didn't want to see "different" since I ended up as seer. With the back and forth between you and CW I assumed that one of you was a wolf, and personally I was leaning towards it being CW near the end of the day (D2).

I had a scan in for you for N2 but if I was actually and saw how the vote turned out I was thinking of switching it to Jackal. I had you as a scan with CW as conditional if you happened to be lynched that day, which I submitted early.

[EagleFan]

Thanks for the invite JAG. Was fun, though I probably set a record for the briefest appearance in a game. :)

[Autumn]

Fun game, guys. Thanks, JAG for running it.

@Timmae - unfortunately it was just bad luck that I got caught up with other stuff and didn't get back here in time. I was kind of lucky I got killed because I ended up being really busy this week.