Werewolf Xtreme III --- Game Over (Result in Post 434)

[JAG]

Hi all,

Since there isn't a game currently running, I thought I'd offer to run one, with a format that has produced some creative gameplay in the past. Essentially it is a basic small game format with the exception that roles are not revealed upon death, other than to the priest who can scan a dead player to learn their role.

Game 1 in that format: Werewolf CXVIIIb XTreme - WOLVES WIN - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=81627)

Game 2 in that format: Small game - Return of Werewolf Xtreme (Game over! Result in Post 401) - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=90265)


Good Roles:

Seer - Each night receives a vision of a target player as 'wolf' or 'not wolf.' The seer receives a vision on Night 0 of one randomly chosen player that is 'not wolf.' Thereafter, the seer chooses which player to view.

Priest - Each night receives a vision of a target deceased player. The vision tells the priest that deceased player's exact role. The priest must choose one deceased player to view.

Hunter - If only two players remain in the game and the hunter is one of those players, then the good team wins even if the other player is a werewolf.

3 Villagers - Ordinary villagers with no special powers.


Evil Roles:

2 Werewolves - The werewolves know each other's identity, and may private message/chat without restriction. Each night the wolves choose one target player to kill.

Sorcerer - Each night receives a vision of a target player as 'seer' or 'not seer.' The sorcerer receives a vision on Night 0 of one randomly chosen player that is 'not seer.' Thereafter, the sorcerer chooses which player to view. The sorcerer wins if the wolves win, but counts as a villager for victory purposes. The Sorcerer does not know the wolves and the wolves do not know the Sorcerer.


Victory Conditions:

Good - All good players win if all werewolves are eliminated, or if the last two players remaining are the hunter and one werewolf. The sorcerer does not have to be eliminated in order for Good to win.

Evil - All evil players win if the wolves achieve parity: if at any time the number of wolves remaining equals the number of non-wolves remaining (including the sorcerer), evil wins. However, if one wolf is left with the hunter, then good wins. The sorcerer counts as a 'non-wolf' for these purposes.


DEADLINES

10 pm EST - Voting deadline. Any votes marked 10:01 or later will not count.

10:30 pm EST - Dawn deadline. Any night actions must be submitted by 10:30.

THE BASICS

Editing: Yes, you can edit posts, with two stipulations:
a. Please only edit posts within 5 minutes of the original post time for formatting / spelling / grammar.
b. You cannot edit a post with a vote in it.

No quoting of private messages.

No discussion of the game outside the thread. (out of game players or dead players are free to speculate in the speculation forum: General WW discussion (https://jagww.rpg-board.net/c2-general-ww-discussion))

Any player inactive for 36 hours will be replaced.

VOTING

Every day the village votes for who they wish to lynch. The player who receives the most votes by day's end will be killed.

In order to vote, please post your vote in bold and on a separate line.

You may change your vote at any time before the deadline by posting an unvote and then a new vote, both in bold.

Example:
Lathum is a wolf.

VOTE Lathum

Wait, I mean hoopsguy is a wolf.

UNVOTE
VOTE hoopsguy


Special Voting Rules:

You may not self-vote or vote No Lynch.

Tie votes will be resolved by whichever candidate has the longest held vote on them.

Nightfall:
Players may choose to make a Nightfall vote to lock in their vote and end the day early. Nightfall votes must be unanimous and will still be dependent on my availability. Once you vote with Nightfall, your vote is locked and cannot be changed.

REVEAL

Roles will not be revealed upon lynch or upon night kill. Only the Priest will have knowledge about the allegiance or role of any of the dead.

Sign Ups

1. timmae
2. RendeR
3. CrimsonFox
4. Telle
5. Autumn - Night killed Day 1
6. britrock88 - Lynched Day 1
7. mauchow / EagleFan - Night killed Day 2
8. The Jackal
9. Coffee Warlord - Lynched Day 2

Alternates:
1.
2.

[timmae]

I'm in!

[RendeR]

I'm game! I'll inform the family

[CrimsonFox]

in

[Telle]

I'm in.

[Autumn]

Looks great. I ran that first game, and I hardly remember it!

Count me in.

[britrock88]

In.

[mauchow]

In. Thanks for the message JAG

[JAG]

Thanks for joining all.

I've reached out to some other folks to see if we can fill the last couple spots. If that happens before Monday, I will send out roles Sunday evening with a Day 1 deadline of Monday August 10th 10pm EST.

[The Jackal]

Oh hello, thanks for the ping JAG -- I'll give it a go!

[Coffee Warlord]

Weekend schedule?

[JAG]

Weekend schedule?

No weekend schedule planned. Current plan is for the game to start on Monday, ending by Thursday at the latest.

[Coffee Warlord]

FUCK IT. I'M BACK BOYS.

[JAG]

That's the spirit! Alright, we are full, anyone else who is interested can be added to the alternates list in case we need a replacement and we'll get this going Sunday evening.

[timmae]

vote coffee warlord!!

Game on!

[EagleFan]

I'll add my name to the replacement list.

[EagleFan]

vote Telle

Just warming up in case I'm needed...

:D

[Autumn]

This is a great group of players, glad to see you all again!

[Telle]

vote Telle

Just warming up in case I'm needed...

:D

Awe, aren't you sweet :)

[JAG]

Roles have gone out. Day 1 has started, with the deadline at Monday at 10pm EST. Villagers without a role received the following message:

You are a simple villager.

Please remember, roles are not revealed upon death. If you are lynched or night killed, please do not post in the thread. I tried to highlight other rules that may be less familiar in the first post with underlines or bold.

For those that have them, I can accept night orders at any time through the Monday 10:30pm EST Night 1 deadline, I will run the latest night order I receive from you.

Good luck everyone, have a great game!

[britrock88]

Checking in. Whee!

[Coffee Warlord]

Last time I played WW I was in Central time. Gotta remember it's 2 hours now.

MURDER DEATH KIL...I mean, innocence and happiness!

[timmae]

Game on! This should be fun!!

[Telle]

Dangit, I'm not ready for this game to start! I'm not done making my database that'll replace my spreadsheets yet

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Telle

Someone always has to break the ice. :) And I have a VERY good reason this time! I don't trust people with spreadsheets. They are the tools of Lucifer. And probably wolves too. But definitely Satan.

[Telle]

Vote Telle

Someone always has to break the ice. :) And I have a VERY good reason this time! I don't trust people with spreadsheets. They are the tools of Lucifer. And probably wolves too. But definitely Satan.

But I'm replacing the spreadsheets! With a database! Databases are WAY cooler :)

[Coffee Warlord]

And when you have a database, I'll unvote you!

Do you HAVE a database now? :)

[Telle]

I have database with tables for games, players, players in games, and votes in games. I plan to add roles, actions other than votes (not applicable to every game), and notes but what I have now is functional.

I can query the tables easily enough through straight SQL, but building the web interface is taking some time. I want it to spit out reports that will replace all the copy-paste I used to do from the spreadsheets.

[Telle]

Ok, I need a second row of vote data to test with, soooo.....

VOTE Coffee Warlord

[RendeR]

Yes folks, you read it hear first. My wife is a computer dork......

[Telle]

I prefer the term "data geek", thank you very much.

[RendeR]

Semantics.

pot, kettle.....

Lipstick on a pig.....err....maybe thats not the best analogy....

[RendeR]

*grabs his blanket and prepares the couch....*

[timmae]

vote telle

[timmae]

vote telle

Whoops.

[EagleFan]

:popcorn:

[CrimsonFox]

so...how do I do this?

vote telle

am i doing this right?

[CrimsonFox]

vote render

he needs the player experience

[timmae]

Monday has arrived! Who is evil?!

Our max mis-lynches are 2 I think. Hoping with this player set everyone is going to be active and involved. It should make for a better village effort methinks.

[JAG]

Voting as of post 39:

3 Telle - Coffee Warlord (25), timmae (35), CrimsonFox (37)
1 Coffee Warlord - Telle (29)

CF - Vote for RendeR in post 38 was not valid as there was no line for an unvote, therefore the Telle vote stands.

As a reminder, you don't have to format it as Unvote [player], just a line for 'Unvote' will remove your prior vote.

[Autumn]

Welcome all. I will join the fun by voting for a former rival who hasn't shown up yet, just to be sure he comes in hot.

vote The Jackal

[Autumn]

This is definitely a tricky rule set for villagers. I skimmed back through the first game we played with this and the wolves won partly by going after each other early. So note to selves: don't give anyone too much credit for anything.

[timmae]

The only credit I'll give is for unrest in the Telle/Render household this week! Ha!! Wait, unless they are both wolves. How fun would that be!

Yep, there can be a little extra cover with this group and ruleset. There are a few N0 peeks so we do have some info already which hopefully will become unearthed much later in the game.

[Coffee Warlord]

Sure it's 2 failed votes and not 3?

7 - 2 start (the sorcerer counts as a villager for counting purposes).

Two villagers die day/night 1: 5 - 2
Two villagers die day/night 2: 3 - 2

Third botched vote would end it, unless I'm not thinking clearly.

[The Jackal]

Welcome all. I will join the fun by voting for a former rival who hasn't shown up yet, just to be sure he comes in hot.

vote The Jackal

:redface:

re-acquainting myself with the smilies FOFC offers and there's no fireball, unfortunate

[The Jackal]

This is definitely a tricky rule set for villagers. I skimmed back through the first game we played with this and the wolves won partly by going after each other early. So note to selves: don't give anyone too much credit for anything.

I feel like there was another version we played where the seer nailed wolves with their first two scans and dominated it, though I've played so many rule sets I could be mis-remembering

[timmae]

Sure it's 2 failed votes and not 3?

7 - 2 start (the sorcerer counts as a villager for counting purposes).

Two villagers die day/night 1: 5 - 2
Two villagers die day/night 2: 3 - 2

Third botched vote would end it, unless I'm not thinking clearly.

Yeah, I think 3rd mis lynch could be end game. Just something to remember and track I guess.

[The Jackal]

so we're at 3-1-1 or 2-1-1-1 if CF meant to unvote?

vote RendeR

[timmae]

Just saying this now... if you are inactive then I will likely vote for you. Unless there is definite evil to vote on instead. Inactives bit me at the murder hotel and not gonna let that happen again.

[The Jackal]

Just saying this now... if you are inactive then I will likely vote for you. Unless there is definite evil to vote on instead. Inactives bit me at the murder hotel and not gonna let that happen again.

mau is the only one not to "check in", yes? Although we obviously want to see more from people than just checking in

[The Jackal]

I feel like day 1 vote movement, albeit rife with randomness, is particularly interesting in small games. There's a pretty solid chance that at least 1 wolf will be involved in the voting at some point today if not both

[timmae]

That's my thought exactly... check-in and then showing up late tonight isn't gonna do it for me.

[Coffee Warlord]

Should probably mention - my kids go to bed right around voting deadline. If I'm not around then, that's why.

[JAG]

Voting as of post 53:

3 Telle - Coffee Warlord (25), timmae (35), CrimsonFox (37)
1 Coffee Warlord - Telle (29)
1 The Jackal - Autumn (41)
1 RendeR - The Jackal (48)

[Telle]

The only credit I'll give is for unrest in the Telle/Render household this week! Ha!! Wait, unless they are both wolves. How fun would that be!

Nah, the only time I get pissed at him for WW stuff is when he can't keep his mouth shut about the game. Would be interesting to both be wolves sometime. Although since the moderator is generally supposed to be included in PMs, I'm not sure how we'd invite him into any pillow chat...

[Telle]

The awesomeness that is my database-driven werewolf website can currently produce this kind of report:

Day 1
Coffee Warlord voted for Telle in post 25
Telle voted for Coffee Warlord in post 29
timmae voted for Telle in post 35
CrimsonFox voted for Telle in post 37
Autumn voted for The Jackal in post 41
The Jackal voted for RendeR in post 48

This evening's task will be making it give me a per-player vote count for anyone that currently has a vote on them.

[Coffee Warlord]

Think we need a mau and a brit.

[timmae]

Nice work Telle! A few days out this will be fun assessing where votes have shifted. We'll need our seer and priest to survive a bit and get us some intel to be able to piece some things together.

[timmae]

unvote

vote render

Awake from your nap wolfie!

[Telle]

unvote

vote render

Awake from your nap wolfie!

Shit, I forgot I still have to finish the unvote feature in my system! I started adding that in last night but eventually decided I should quit geeking out and get my butt to bed.

[Coffee Warlord]

Crickets.

[Autumn]

Timmae turns it from a 3-1-1-1 to a 2-2-1-1. I think that's a fairly villager move. And the only point of interest so far ;-) Evening things out this early is good. Though picking Render and therefore keeping it between our WW couple maybe takes advantage of an existing "rivalry" in a way that can be counterproductive.

[RendeR]

i'M NOT INACTIVE!

[RendeR]

I work nights is all and my sleep schedule is screwy =)

[Telle]

Day 1
Coffee Warlord voted for Telle in post 25
Telle voted for Coffee Warlord in post 29
timmae voted for Telle in post 35
CrimsonFox voted for Telle in post 37
Autumn voted for The Jackal in post 41
The Jackal voted for RendeR in post 48
timmae UNVOTED in post 59
timmae voted for RendeR in post 59

[RendeR]

I'll be around a bit. I go to work at 9 so I'll def be around for deadline. I am withholding my vote for self preservation if needed.

I have nothing to go on to vote for any of you cretins yet, so I will bide my time.

[Coffee Warlord]

So you're saying ... you do your work ... at night ... when the moon is out?

HUH.

:)

[RendeR]

Currently tied, but telle has the oldest vote, so she wins* the tie break

* if getting lynched is a win....I guess...

[RendeR]

So you're saying ... you do your work ... at night ... when the moon is out?

HUH.

:)



I Do! but I only work indoors. The moon is irrelevant.

[RendeR]

Timmae turns it from a 3-1-1-1 to a 2-2-1-1. I think that's a fairly villager move. And the only point of interest so far ;-) Evening things out this early is good. Though picking Render and therefore keeping it between our WW couple maybe takes advantage of an existing "rivalry" in a way that can be counterproductive.

How is that a fairly villager move?? Thats a classic *I voted for my wolf partner to throw off suspicion and am now moving to vote a villager off* move.

Timmae earns a suspicion point.

[Coffee Warlord]

Tell me, do you often find yourself going to the window, looking up, and, perhaps, howling?

On a more game-related note ... looks like we're still missing brit and mau. Everyone else has at least said something.

[Telle]

I Do! but I only work indoors. The moon is irrelevant.

More like a vampire.. shunning any sign of daylight

[RendeR]

More like a vampire.. shunning any sign of daylight

Turth.....I DID actually watch Twilight last night....

[RendeR]

Tell me, do you often find yourself going to the window, looking up, and, perhaps, howling?

On a more game-related note ... looks like we're still missing brit and mau. Everyone else has at least said something.

Britrock was very hit or miss in our last game due to work related issues.

[JAG]

Voting as of post 74:

2 Telle - Coffee Warlord (25), CrimsonFox (37)
2 RendeR - The Jackal (48), timmae (59)
1 Coffee Warlord - Telle (29)
1 The Jackal - Autumn (41)

[The Jackal]

I'm always torn with people who say nothing on d1. They're asking for attention, but on the other hand, what if they're genuinely busy and have an important role?

[timmae]

I will say it again... inactives screwed us last game. I have no problem voting off someone inactive. Having said that, I think my Render vote may be ok. He pushed me hard last time he was a baddie and hasn't done any active hunting or investigation today.

[Telle]

So who among us has played one of these kinds of games before? Any insights that'll help?

With no reveal upon death we'll have no way of knowing how the votes went until the Seer or Priest out themselves. And we have to hope we don't accidentally vote either one and that they both survive night kills.

Three botched votes ends the game in favor of the wolves, and each botched vote increases the odds that we hit the See or Priest with the next one. Should the Priest and Seer stay quiet until Day 3 and then reveal all they know? Or should the Priest come out Day 2 and the Seer Day 3? I'm leaning towards the latter because I want to know more sooner and not cross my fingers that we don't fuck up Day 3 but I'm not sure if that's the smart move or not. Thoughts?

[Telle]

So who among us has played one of these kinds of games before? Any insights that'll help?

With no reveal upon death we'll have no way of knowing how the votes went until the Seer or Priest out themselves. And we have to hope we don't accidentally vote either one and that they both survive night kills.

Three botched votes ends the game in favor of the wolves, and each botched vote increases the odds that we hit the See or Priest with the next one. Should the Priest and Seer stay quiet until Day 3 and then reveal all they know? Or should the Priest come out Day 2 and the Seer Day 3? I'm leaning towards the latter because I want to know more sooner and not cross my fingers that we don't fuck up Day 3 but I'm not sure if that's the smart move or not. Thoughts?

[Telle]

I will say it again... inactives screwed us last game. I have no problem voting off someone inactive. Having said that, I think my Render vote may be ok. He pushed me hard last time he was a baddie and hasn't done any active hunting or investigation today.

There is also a defined mechanism that replaces anyone inactive for 36 hours. So if we don't vote off the inactive people today then they'll be replaced tomorrow. Also more likely that the inactive players are not wolves since if they are then their fellow wolf is going to be PM'ing them like mad to make them realize the game is happening; a regular villager just got their original PM and if they missed that then nobody's going to sending more messages trying to get their attention.

[Telle]

Ok, not real sure how the double-post happened. Regardless, I'm stepping away for a bit to get my walk done before it's dark.

[Telle]

Hmmm...awfully quiet an hour before deadline. Don't exactly like that when my neck is on the chopping block!

[timmae]

I am thinking priest coming out D2 and Seer D3 makes sense. Need to maximize our knowledge.

I get what you are saying about inactives on D1 but it is just as easy to not do anything and try to skate by. Then D2 they pull the whoops card and buy another day. I am ok with letting them sit today but tomorrow they would need to show up big time or be gone.

For what it is worth I am reading telle and jackal as good this game.

My axis of evil is render, crimson and coffee. I could easily go for a coffee train.

Neutral on autumn and nothing on brit or mau.

[timmae]

Having said all of that they are just mainly gut reads right now. Lets hope we hit a wolf.

[Telle]

Well thanks for your gut-led vote of confidence, timmae. Of course if you're a wolf then you know I'm a villager, so you could just be blowing smoke to get in my good graces.

My problem is that I'm the very first vote-getter, so I lose any ties unless Coffee decides to go elsewhere. I can self-defense vote for Render, but then he'll do the same and I die. I need more movement to survive.

[JAG]

30 minutes to deadline.

[Telle]

UNVOTE

VOTE RendeR

[RendeR]

Pure self defense... My wife is an asshole, she was hoping I'd forget to come back LOL.....


VOTE TELLE

Again, I know nothing, this is day 1 and its my neck on the line here.

[Telle]

It's been a good marriage thus far, I was willing to risk being an ass ;)

[timmae]

The lack of anciety with these votes makes me think we got this all wrong. Brit and mau better have a good excuse.

[Telle]

Anybody else care to chime in here? I really prefer not dying! I'm just a vanilla villager though so at least we won't take out one of the roled villagers. This still sucks though :(

[timmae]

So... lets go brit or mau, eh?

[Telle]

The lack of anciety with these votes makes me think we got this all wrong. Brit and mau better have a good excuse.

Oh there's anxiety all right.. I was just really hoping that people would get more talkative and I could swing some votes. But talking to myself doesn't do shit.

[RendeR]

So who among us has played one of these kinds of games before? Any insights that'll help?

With no reveal upon death we'll have no way of knowing how the votes went until the Seer or Priest out themselves. And we have to hope we don't accidentally vote either one and that they both survive night kills.

Three botched votes ends the game in favor of the wolves, and each botched vote increases the odds that we hit the See or Priest with the next one. Should the Priest and Seer stay quiet until Day 3 and then reveal all they know? Or should the Priest come out Day 2 and the Seer Day 3? I'm leaning towards the latter because I want to know more sooner and not cross my fingers that we don't fuck up Day 3 but I'm not sure if that's the smart move or not. Thoughts?



If we get lucky and nab a wolf day 1, I would suggest they come out and let us know who they are because we then have a distinct advantage and it narrows down the hunted group right away.

If we fuck up then they have to stay quiet because we're a;ready at a huge disadvantage.

[timmae]

Well, VV is better than risking a special. Darn inactives.

[The Jackal]

quiet deadlines usually aren't a great sign, I would expect a more impassioned defense from a wolf in a very small game, a fake reveal, whatever it might be. not hearing from half nearly the group in 5+ hours or at all today is a bummer as well

[Telle]

Well, VV is better than risking a special. Darn inactives.

I'm happy to vote for anyone that leads to my neck coming off the chopping block. However I don't know that there's enough people in the thread right now to swing things.

[The Jackal]

So... lets go brit or mau, eh?

there are enough of us here to do so if we wanted to, seems like

[RendeR]

I'm certainly willing to shift if others do, I have nothing against anyone, so moving to an inactive is no big deal but we have to do so soon and as my neck is on the line I won't be the first one moving...

[Telle]

there are enough of us here to do so if we wanted to, seems like

Then pick one. I'm running out of time.

[Telle]

UNVOTE

VOTE britrock

[Telle]

Anybody care to follow? If you prefer mau, I can switch.

[timmae]

Hey coffee.. you gonna move or what?!

[The Jackal]

I was going to go mau since he had 0 posts but it's kind of a dart throw either way

[The Jackal]

unvote

vote brit

[Telle]

Clock is ticking!

[Coffee Warlord]

I can ... ordinarily moving a vote to an inactive is a get out of jail free card for voting records.

[RendeR]

UNVOTE

Vote Britrock

[timmae]

unvote

vote britrock

[Coffee Warlord]

This game is far from ordinary though.

[Telle]

I can ... ordinarily moving a vote to an inactive is a get out of jail free card for voting records.

Damnit, now is not the time for valid points that lead to me dying! :)

[RendeR]

If brit turns out to be a villager we just put telle back on the block tomorrow.

[timmae]

Inactives do us no good.. i said that early. No issue for me.

[The Jackal]

I also don't love CF's vote that didn't count followed up by nothing

[Coffee Warlord]

If brit turns out to be a villager we just put telle back on the block tomorrow.

HOw are we gonna know? That's the problem.

[RendeR]

Good point....

[RendeR]

BOOM

[Telle]

Well if the priest reveals Day 2 then we'll know. Otherwise, yeah...

[The Jackal]

HOw are we gonna know? That's the problem.

priest would have to reveal I guess, which a couple people have suggested, assuming they're still alive and agree with that idea

[JAG]

Deadline

[JAG]

Final Day 1 Vote:

4 britrock88 - Telle (101). The Jackal (105), RendeR (108), timmae (109)
2 Telle - Coffee Warlord (25), CrimsonFox (37)
1 The Jackal - Autumn (41)

[Coffee Warlord]

I count 4 on brit, Jag.

[RendeR]

Jackal switched to brit as well.

[JAG]

You decide that britrock88 is the choice for lynch. He dies.

Night actions are due by 10:30pm EST.

(Sorry, I'm lagging, I'll fix the final vote shortly)

[JAG]

You wake in the morning and realize one of you is missing. Autumn has been brutally murdered.

Day 2 begins. Deadline is Tuesday at 10:00pm EST.

mauchow is at 24 hours inactive, if he does not come online, he will be replaced by 10:00am EST.

[timmae]

Darn autumn.. we hardly knew ye. Need to reread D1.

[EagleFan]

:popcorn:

[Telle]

So after staying up way later than I should have trying to figure this out, my system now produces this lovely report for Day 1:

4 britrock88 - Telle (101),The Jackal (105),RendeR (108),timmae (109)
2 Telle - Coffee Warlord (25),CrimsonFox (37)
1 The Jackal - Autumn (41)

And here's all of the votes (including unvotes) for Day 1:

Coffee Warlord voted for Telle in post 25
Telle voted for Coffee Warlord in post 29
timmae voted for Telle in post 35
CrimsonFox voted for Telle in post 37
Autumn voted for The Jackal in post 41
The Jackal voted for RendeR in post 48
timmae UNVOTED in post 59
timmae voted for RendeR in post 59
Telle UNVOTED in post 87
Telle voted for RendeR in post 87
RendeR voted for Telle in post 88
Telle UNVOTED in post 101
Telle voted for britrock88 in post 101
The Jackal UNVOTED in post 105
The Jackal voted for britrock88 in post 105
RendeR UNVOTED in post 108
RendeR voted for britrock88 in post 108
timmae UNVOTED in post 109
timmae voted for britrock88 in post 109

[RendeR]

Sweet day 1 review

[timmae]

Obviously the werewolf world, and just the world in general, needs more data geeks! Nice work!

[timmae]

Timmae turns it from a 3-1-1-1 to a 2-2-1-1. I think that's a fairly villager move. And the only point of interest so far ;-) Evening things out this early is good. Though picking Render and therefore keeping it between our WW couple maybe takes advantage of an existing "rivalry" in a way that can be counterproductive.

Ok, read back through Autumn to see if the wolves may have picked up on anything he said to think he may be our seer. He only had 3 posts D1 and this one jumps out. I could absolutely have been his N0 peek. Or they could have just decided to roll the dice and take out an experienced player.

[timmae]

This is definitely a tricky rule set for villagers. I skimmed back through the first game we played with this and the wolves won partly by going after each other early. So note to selves: don't give anyone too much credit for anything.

The wolves certainly reread Autumn's posts since he was the NK. This would have stuck out in their minds so I don't think they'd be bold enough to pull that play again. More than likely the wolves stayed away from direct votes on each other as it would have been discounted by the previous play. I think a pile on would be more indicative of wolves. There may be a wolf or 2 in this batch;

4 britrock88 - Telle (101). The Jackal (105), RendeR (108), timmae (109)

[timmae]

ok, last post for a bit. Why did Autumn place an initial throw away vote on Jackal and then leave it there all day? To fly under the radar as a special villager?? Seems kinda weird.

[Coffee Warlord]

Okay ... Telle. Again.

On one hand, I get it. Complete survival move, and got a last second push to vote someone else.

On the other hand, I hate that it was such a simple, easy target.

On the other other hand, she herself points out a few hours prior that she believes the wolves are highly unlikely to be either of the inactives. (I personally don't buy into that all that much - I've played many games where a wolf was an idle one, but it's a reasonable theory.) So she's saving herself as a vanilla villager by moving to the vote to someone else she believes it a villager ... and thusly upping the odds of hitting a role.

On the other other other hand, idle players are a pain in the ass.

On the other other other OTHER hand, it was a day 1 vote. Shit happens.

This bugs me, though.

[JAG]

mauchow has been officially replaced by EagleFan

[Coffee Warlord]

:popcorn:

[timmae]

:waves at EF:

[Telle]

mauchow has been officially replaced by EagleFan

Well, nice knowing you all ;)

[Telle]

Ok, read back through Autumn to see if the wolves may have picked up on anything he said to think he may be our seer. He only had 3 posts D1 and this one jumps out. I could absolutely have been his N0 peek. Or they could have just decided to roll the dice and take out an experienced player.

Well that analysis is rather convenient for you since it paints you as being a villager.

[Telle]

Okay ... Telle. Again.

On one hand, I get it. Complete survival move, and got a last second push to vote someone else.

On the other hand, I hate that it was such a simple, easy target.

On the other other hand, she herself points out a few hours prior that she believes the wolves are highly unlikely to be either of the inactives. (I personally don't buy into that all that much - I've played many games where a wolf was an idle one, but it's a reasonable theory.) So she's saving herself as a vanilla villager by moving to the vote to someone else she believes it a villager ... and thusly upping the odds of hitting a role.

On the other other other hand, idle players are a pain in the ass.

On the other other other OTHER hand, it was a day 1 vote. Shit happens.

This bugs me, though.

And you weren't even in the recent game when I was so against voting out an inactive as a default vote because of how easy that makes it for wolves to hide their votes. I was definitely a hypocrite yesterday. I didn't even think about the fact that moving the vote off me to an inactive ups the odds of hitting a roled villager. I had been hoping that there would be more conversation in that last hour before deadline and votes would move around and maybe I could talk you all into not killing me.. and when that didn't happen I kind of panicked.

[Coffee Warlord]

Note I haven't voted yet. :) See hands ... 1, 4, and 5.

[EagleFan]

Hi all. I'm here.

I'll be checking the thread through the day though this evening will be questionable around deadline; just tonight. I'll definitely check in as soon as I can afterwards (if I do indeed miss the deadline; but last week took beyond 10).

[EagleFan]

I don't want to jump in being skeptical of Telle but CW's post is what I was thinking last night (as an outsider at that point) as I saw what happened.

[EagleFan]

Maybe we need to pressure that a bit to see what shakes out.

[EagleFan]

Hi timmae

[EagleFan]

I know this may seem like it is becoming a standard vote but...

vote Telle[

[Telle]

I know this may seem like it is becoming a standard vote but...

vote Telle[

Not exactly unexpected, even if you didn't have some weird obsession with voting for me :)

I gave what explanation I could above, but please feel free to ask me any questions you have.

[EagleFan]

No questions. At this point it is a gut play to see what happens this time.

With no role reveals it would make that jump to inactive more of a wolf play that a villager play as it means no one but the wolves know if it was a good move or not. A vanilla villager would rather take one for the team than jump to an unknown in a small game. A roled villager would want to jump the vote off themselves but the wolves would take notice of that and likely want to eliminate that person. With them not going after you it opens up more questions.

[The Jackal]

so, looking at things from last night, it seems to me more likely that Telle is telling the truth and made a risky (i.e. could be nailing an inactive seer unintentionally) VV decision, and I can't fault self preservation even if you may want to genuinely make the sacrifice as a VV in this small a game. Plus, it's nice having people alive that participate!

that said it's not out of the realm of possibility that she was slow playing it -- render had less to be concerned about because of the oldest vote being on telle, but I likely would have expected an earlier fake reveal from a wolf on the chopping block, rather than waiting until the last 5-10 minutes to plea for pushing onto someone inactive. I see both sides of things, but at the moment I lean towards VV naivety.

[EagleFan]

Jackal!!!! Let's Go Flyers!!!!

[The Jackal]

Jackal!!!! Let's Go Flyers!!!!

HELL YES

[The Jackal]

I'm not totally against Telle being a candidate today, but who else are we looking at? Render because he may not have felt threatened enough to be pushed over the edge? Someone like CF for the vote that didn't count and no other contribution? I know I was the other person in the voting because of Autumn's early vote and then disappearance. At the moment, as I said last night, I would really like to hear more from CF, an explanation of his faulty vote and just his take on things in general thus far

vote CrimsonFox

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 152:

1 Telle - EagleFan (146)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (152)

[timmae]

I'm ok discussing these 2 for a while today...

Coffee Warlord - I do not like his game so far. He is around but in a jokey and friendly way. Even his pushing is done with a jokey attitude. Seems like he doesn't want to make too many enemies. He's on my bad guy list.
CrimsonFox - 2 total posts... one a meta vote and then a vote that was wrongly formatted. Way too obvious for a sorc callout to his wolves but could be a wolfy.

[timmae]

Let's see what a two horse race gets us..

vote crimson fox

[Coffee Warlord]

Ha. Right as I was about to bring you up for last night.

Here's my concern with Timmae. He goes from an attitude of "Better we kill Telle than possibly kill a special villager", to jumping on the inactive train in a matter of moments. Bit weird for my taste.

[timmae]

Ok, let's try this then. To my trusted allies... Tell me why it isn't a coffee/crimson wolfy duo. Seems plausible to me but game theory is not my strong suit.

[EagleFan]

I would be curious about CW as well. Seemed like a somewhat in depth attempt to bring Telle to the forefront and then a more casual oh well at the end. Almost non-committal commitment.

[EagleFan]

I barely noticed CF, hard to call there as he was quiet for a while last game too.

[EagleFan]

Without knowing the true result of yesterday's vote who really knows if it was good or not.

[EagleFan]

We know Autumn was good. We have no idea about brit, even if he was a wolf the other wolf submits a kill so no clue for us.

Sorry, just thinking out loud.

[EagleFan]

Even if brit was a wolf it doesn't clear Telle because she wouldn't want to be lynched and leave an inactive lone remaining wolf.

Sorry, more out loud thinking.

[Coffee Warlord]

I would be curious about CW as well. Seemed like a somewhat in depth attempt to bring Telle to the forefront and then a more casual oh well at the end. Almost non-committal commitment.

Intentionally so. It's non-committal because it's based on someone doing what they can to avoid a Day 1 lynch. It was very much worth discussion and still is, and I think the activity right at the end there is still very much interesting to look into. BUT, there's plenty of human nature/logic holes in the entire argument.

I'm aiming for discussion, not a hard accusation at this point.

[timmae]

Between Render and Telle I'd be more suspicious of render. Telle's been engaged with the vote counts and I agree was resigned to take the lynch until the last 5 minutes. Render knew the situation suited him ok. However, render did push autumn's read of my D1 so I give him credit for that. If he was a wolf then he wouldn't have drawn attention to that read as much as he'd want to keep the villager-villager info to himself and his partner. Unless they didn't know autumn was our non-confirmed seer at that point.

[timmae]

I barely noticed CF, hard to call there as he was quiet for a while last game too.

This one piqued my interest. Keep this in mind in case either CF or EF flip wolf.

[The Jackal]

Ok, let's try this then. To my trusted allies... Tell me why it isn't a coffee/crimson wolfy duo. Seems plausible to me but game theory is not my strong suit.

It's really hard to say anything about CF at this point. Is it a wolf hiding in inactivity or are we picking off inactive villagers? Being this was my first game in awhile, I definitely forgot about it for a few hours yesterday while I was working, but it's been a long time since CF's last post

Honestly not sure what to make of CW, I see what you're saying about the jokey vibe, but it also feels like what I recall of CW's playstyle.

Also, not sure anyone is worthy of being a "trusted ally" at this point with 0 trusted reveals/trusted information :D

[The Jackal]

On that note, I'm curious about the posited priest reveal today. But something we didn't discuss yesterday / that I need to think through -- does the priest revealing brit's role help the village or wolves more? I guess it could depend on what the role is. In any event, it's good that they (if they are still alive) didn't reveal early, so we get more posts from people for consideration as we move to the next couple days

[EagleFan]

Between Render and Telle I'd be more suspicious of render. Telle's been engaged with the vote counts and I agree was resigned to take the lynch until the last 5 minutes. Render knew the situation suited him ok. However, render did push autumn's read of my D1 so I give him credit for that. If he was a wolf then he wouldn't have drawn attention to that read as much as he'd want to keep the villager-villager info to himself and his partner. Unless they didn't know autumn was our non-confirmed seer at that point.

What does that mean? Am I missing a reveal somewhere?

[timmae]

Originally I thought they should come out D2 but that was if our seer was still around. Now I am thinking D3 may be the better play if autumn was in fact the seer. Worst case for us in that scenario is that it is a 1 in 3 chance they hit the priest with the NK. That is if they know their sorc and we mislynch tonight. Worst case overall is that we could have off'd our inactive priest and then the wolfies NK'd our seer.

[timmae]

What does that mean? Am I missing a reveal somewhere?

I am guessing there was a reason they went after Autumn with the NK. His hint at a N0 peek would have been me in his post. Is autumn one to leave hints in that scenario?

[EagleFan]

I am guessing there was a reason they went after Autumn with the NK. His hint at a N0 peek would have been me in his post. Is autumn one to leave hints in that scenario?

I must be missing something. I don't see a hint at an N0 peek. Maybe I am completely blind here.

This worries me that Autumn was the seer and you are the sorcerer (think that is the role's name). I am hoping that is not the case. If it is, we're probably screwed (unless britt was a wolf than we still have a puncher's chance).

More thinking out loud.

[EagleFan]

Your day one actions don't show that, so that was just me thinking out loud.

[timmae]

Timmae turns it from a 3-1-1-1 to a 2-2-1-1. I think that's a fairly villager move. And the only point of interest so far ;-) Evening things out this early is good. Though picking Render and therefore keeping it between our WW couple maybe takes advantage of an existing "rivalry" in a way that can be counterproductive.

Here is what I am thinking was a peek. At least until the sorc false claims and draws out our true seer. Anything is possible in a game with no reveals.

[Coffee Warlord]

I must be missing something. I don't see a hint at an N0 peek. Maybe I am completely blind here.

This worries me that Autumn was the seer and you are the sorcerer (think that is the role's name). I am hoping that is not the case. If it is, we're probably screwed (unless britt was a wolf than we still have a puncher's chance).

More thinking out loud.

I can't for the life of me see any hint of it either.

Per the rules, N0 Sorc and Seer scans are guaranteed "Not Seer/Not Wolf". So highly doubt it's Seer/Sorc, with that in mind.

[EagleFan]

I can't for the life of me see any hint of it either.

Per the rules, N0 Sorc and Seer scans are guaranteed "Not Seer/Not Wolf". So highly doubt it's Seer/Sorc, with that in mind.

That is good, the eliminates my bad theory. I misread that the sorcerer N0 would just be not seer, so that wouldn't be the case. Maybe a signal to the wolves that he is the sorcerer though, so they don't come after him?

Sorry, more thinking out loud. Just want to get some conversation going.

[EagleFan]

We may want to look at RendeR; after all, he has been pretty inactive... :D

j/k, couldn't resist

[EagleFan]

Jackal, what time is that Penguins game.... oh yeah... :)

[EagleFan]

Though I thought they were going to end up lucking into the top pick after that.

[The Jackal]

Jackal, what time is that Penguins game.... oh yeah... :)

again I am wishing for a fireball reaction FOFC

[The Jackal]

starting to lose hope that CF is going to show up

[Coffee Warlord]

Look who's in the thread now.

[CrimsonFox]

what's to hear? I sign up for games and forget about them :(

sorry

[EagleFan]

We have a CF sighting!!!

[The Jackal]

the CF bat signal worked perfectly

[EagleFan]

I am going to get something to eat. Will be on for a little while after that but I will be off from around 7:15 through close to the deadline (potentially after). Tonight is the only night that will happen. I may try to keep another window open so I can check in during down time.

[Coffee Warlord]

Here's where I'm at right now on Timmae.

I will say it again... inactives screwed us last game. I have no problem voting off someone inactive

I get what you are saying about inactives on D1 but it is just as easy to not do anything and try to skate by. Then D2 they pull the whoops card and buy another day. I am ok with letting them sit today but tomorrow they would need to show up big time or be gone.

Neutral on autumn and nothing on brit or mau.

Well, VV is better than risking a special. Darn inactives.

Ok, read back through Autumn to see if the wolves may have picked up on anything he said to think he may be our seer. He only had 3 posts D1 and this one jumps out. I could absolutely have been his N0 peek. Or they could have just decided to roll the dice and take out an experienced player.

I believe he went Telle -> Render -> Brit yesterday, for reference.

So we go from "Kill inactives" ... To being okay with voting Telle ... To back to jumping on the inactive train ... To today, deciding that Autumn is the seer (who was "Neutral" to him yesterday) and RNG selected him as the N0 scan.

That's just kinda all over the place, with some analysis thrown in that I just
mostly don't get.

Be nice to see some more people offer some views, but for now, I'm going here.

Vote timmae

[timmae]

Now we are getting discussion! Keep at it coffee. Who would be my partner?!!

[CrimsonFox]

what's this crap about my vote not counting?

[CrimsonFox]

I <3 you jackal

[CrimsonFox]

vote crimsonfox

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FirstThickFlounder-small.gif

[Coffee Warlord]

Now we are getting discussion! Keep at it coffee. Who would be my partner?!!

hoopsguy, obviously!

Not a clue, we've have a whole day and a half to look at people. If I could figure out 2 wolves in a single day, in a game where roles aren't revealed at death, I'd be night 1 killed in every game I played. :)

I think you've been see-sawing a lot (as much as "a lot" applies to what, 24 hours), I think your analyses have been bizarre, and for me right now, it's you, Telle, or CF, who's just apparently lost his mind. And it was time to throw a vote down.

[The Jackal]

haha very helpful CF thank you

[CrimsonFox]

you are welcome

[CrimsonFox]

i can't argue with anything you have to say to me

i suck at this game and it depresses me

or maybe it's just life

[timmae]

what's this crap about my vote not counting?

You didn't unvote i think. But I am all over the place so whatevs.

[The Jackal]

You didn't unvote i think. But I am all over the place so whatevs.

yes you did not unvote before voting for the 2nd time

[CrimsonFox]

yes you did not unvote before voting for the 2nd time

i forgot that was a thing. literally no other site uses that
sorry telle

i didn't want to screw her again with a vote like that and it seems i did anyway

[The Jackal]

i can't argue with anything you have to say to me

i suck at this game and it depresses me

or maybe it's just life

well read over the thread and give us your genuine thoughts then, assuming they are villager thoughts and not wolf or sorcerer thoughts ;)

not being able to be active doesnt = sucking at this game, and we've mostly all been in a place where we forgot about it or got distracted by life commitments, but you can still contribute here!

[The Jackal]

render, you awake yet?

[The Jackal]

2 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (152), timmae (155)
1 Telle - EagleFan (146)
1 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186)

[The Jackal]

your self vote doesn't count per the rules either btw CF

[CrimsonFox]

i don't think coffee/telle are wolves together.

render could be with either i guess. This is based on page 1 arguments

[CrimsonFox]

okay sorc doesn't know wolves and wolves don't know sorc so no help there

[CrimsonFox]

Just saying this now... if you are inactive then I will likely vote for you. Unless there is definite evil to vote on instead. Inactives bit me at the murder hotel and not gonna let that happen again.

trying to analyze this

wolves like to vote inactives but this passion and this reasoning is very true
inactives have always been a huge reason for evil wins in this game

[CrimsonFox]

I feel like day 1 vote movement, albeit rife with randomness, is particularly interesting in small games. There's a pretty solid chance that at least 1 wolf will be involved in the voting at some point today if not both

i mean yes

not a HUGE revelation but analysis nonetheless

[CrimsonFox]

Should probably mention - my kids go to bed right around voting deadline. If I'm not around then, that's why.

excuses...not a fan

[CrimsonFox]

i'M NOT INACTIVE!


hahaha

i like this post actually

[CrimsonFox]

I am thinking priest coming out D2 and Seer D3 makes sense. Need to maximize our knowledge.

I get what you are saying about inactives on D1 but it is just as easy to not do anything and try to skate by. Then D2 they pull the whoops card and buy another day. I am ok with letting them sit today but tomorrow they would need to show up big time or be gone.

For what it is worth I am reading telle and jackal as good this game.

My axis of evil is render, crimson and coffee. I could easily go for a coffee train.

Neutral on autumn and nothing on brit or mau.

whya re you reading telle and jackal as good

esplain

[CrimsonFox]

Having said all of that they are just mainly gut reads right now. Lets hope we hit a wolf.

yuk hate this

vote timmae

[CrimsonFox]

Pure self defense... My wife is an asshole, she was hoping I'd forget to come back LOL.....


VOTE TELLE

Again, I know nothing, this is day 1 and its my neck on the line here.

wow!

[CrimsonFox]

If we get lucky and nab a wolf day 1, I would suggest they come out and let us know who they are because we then have a distinct advantage and it narrows down the hunted group right away.

If we fuck up then they have to stay quiet because we're a;ready at a huge disadvantage.

but we won't know whether anyone is a wolf that we lynch right?
gotta know from the priest?

ugh i hate noreveal games

[CrimsonFox]

Well, VV is better than risking a special. Darn inactives.

https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/70300/header.jpg?t=1579280775

is even better

[CrimsonFox]

i edited because this site is still so stupid
can't even shrink pictures

[CrimsonFox]

EF/Timmae wolves final answer

[CrimsonFox]

maybe telle is sorc?

[CrimsonFox]

I also don't love CF's vote that didn't count followed up by nothing

what didn't you like about it

[CrimsonFox]

priest would have to reveal I guess, which a couple people have suggested, assuming they're still alive and agree with that idea

probably dead already

[EagleFan]

I don't get an overall bad feel from timmae, but he does confuse me. At the moment I am thinking one of CW/Telle with CF being sorcerer. That self vote seems like an attempted signal to the wolves.

[JAG]

i edited because this site is still so stupid
can't even shrink pictures

Editing is allowed within a short time frame, other than posts with votes. We apologize for our Stone Age technology here.

[EagleFan]

The edit makes it even more suspicious if you ask me.

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 220:

2 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (152), timmae (155)
2 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), CrimsonFox (209)
1 Telle - EagleFan (146)

[CrimsonFox]

what do you mean "we"? it isn't your site

[EagleFan]

sorry, missed what was edited. Thought it was the self vote you edited when I saw a different pic.

[CrimsonFox]

The edit makes it even more suspicious if you ask me.

i edited because the original picture i posted was huge and would have sent you guys scrolling off to the side to find the reply button

[EagleFan]

what do you mean "we"? it isn't your site

We are a family.

[EagleFan]

I still think the self vote is a rather suspicious move. Me thinks SorcererFox may be the correct name...

[timmae]

unvote

[timmae]

vote coffee warlord

[EagleFan]

unvote

[RendeR]

Ok, let's try this then. To my trusted allies... Tell me why it isn't a coffee/crimson wolfy duo. Seems plausible to me but game theory is not my strong suit.

Originally I thought they should come out D2 but that was if our seer was still around. Now I am thinking D3 may be the better play if autumn was in fact the seer. Worst case for us in that scenario is that it is a 1 in 3 chance they hit the priest with the NK. That is if they know their sorc and we mislynch tonight. Worst case overall is that we could have off'd our inactive priest and then the wolfies NK'd our seer.

I am guessing there was a reason they went after Autumn with the NK. His hint at a N0 peek would have been me in his post. Is autumn one to leave hints in that scenario?

Here's where I'm at right now on Timmae.











I believe he went Telle -> Render -> Brit yesterday, for reference.

So we go from "Kill inactives" ... To being okay with voting Telle ... To back to jumping on the inactive train ... To today, deciding that Autumn is the seer (who was "Neutral" to him yesterday) and RNG selected him as the N0 scan.

That's just kinda all over the place, with some analysis thrown in that I just
mostly don't get.

Be nice to see some more people offer some views, but for now, I'm going here.

Vote timmae


Thank you,

This is exactly where I was going as well. Something about Timmae Smells, like dog fur....

VOTE TIMMAE

[EagleFan]

I'll have a vote by around 7:00. As I said, I think that one of either Telle or CW is a wolf, I doubt both. I could get behind a CW vote as well. I just saw that the sorcerer doesn't know the wolves either, so the CF move could be a signal that way too I guess. How can you avoid the votes as a wolf, act like the sorcerer (especially if britt was a wolf as the other wolf would need some sort of voting block).

Sorry, more thinking out loud.

[RendeR]

render, you awake yet?

Finally yes, stupid phone kept ringing all day "Hi My name is James, I'm calling from canadian Pharmacy"


I swear to god if I ever find james I'm going to jail for murder.

But yeah, I'm around.

[EagleFan]

Thank you,

This is exactly where I was going as well. Something about Timmae Smells, like dog fur....

VOTE TIMMAE

You know what has a good sense of smell... a WOLF!!!

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 233:

3 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), CrimsonFox (209), RendeR (230)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (152)
1 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228)

[EagleFan]

At this point I am thinking:

RendeR
one of Telle/CW
CF as Sorcerer

[EagleFan]

vote Coffee Warlord

[RendeR]

There are just too many assumptions from Timmae that he seems to think we'll just take as facts. I don't see his "hint", i don't see any correlation to his other assumptions in the posts. its like listening to Trump talk about how the flu ended WWI, it just makes you go..."umm..wha??"

[The Jackal]

unvote

[timmae]

I am leaning Render/CW right now. Crimson's barrage of posts I liked and he was providing thoughts. I didn't like the end conclusion but there was some content at least.

[RendeR]

I gotta find some food, back in a while.

[EagleFan]

If both wolves and the sorcerer exist after today we're done.

[timmae]

There are just too many assumptions from Timmae that he seems to think we'll just take as facts. I don't see his "hint", i don't see any correlation to his other assumptions in the posts. its like listening to Trump talk about how the flu ended WWI, it just makes you go..."umm..wha??"

Wolfy post. Casting doubt and evil thoughts. I never said anything was a fact, reread my posts about my thoughts and possible scenarios.

[EagleFan]

If two villagers were gone yesterday we need all villagers on the same page. If the priest is around we need to know about britt.

[EagleFan]

If britt was a villager that is. If not, maybe tomorrow would be best for reveal.

[CrimsonFox]

We are a family.

you got all your sisters and me?

[mauchow]

Sorry, guys. I didn't redownload the app to get alerts. Good luck

[CrimsonFox]

If both wolves and the sorcerer exist after today we're done.

hate to break it to you but it is impossible for a village to win this game

[EagleFan]

Scenarios:

Worst: britt V - Autumn V

We are at 4 villagers, 2 wolves, 1 sorcerer. We have to hit today with this lynch


Bad: britt V - Autumn S OR britt S - Autumn V

We are at 5 villagers and 2 wolves; if we don't hit today we still have a chance


Better: britt W - Autumn V

We are at 6 villagers, 1 wolf, and 1 sorcerer; we still have an edge if we don't hit today


BEST: britt W - Autumn S

We are at 7 villagers and 1 wolf; sitting much better

[EagleFan]

hate to break it to you but it is impossible for a village to win this game

So CF is the sorcerer...

[RendeR]

Wolfy post. Casting doubt and evil thoughts. I never said anything was a fact, reread my posts about my thoughts and possible scenarios.

How is this in any way wolfy? I read and reread your posts and none of it makes any sense, nothing you posted actually has anything supporting it. Everything you posted you salted with a "this makes me look safe" flavoring.

Thats literally how a wolf acts but you made it almost too obvious and it seemed to be getting overlooked. I simply pointed it out.

Nothing more.