Short Trivia Q

[JAG]

What's the largest city in the U.S. with no major sports team? (meaning MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL presumably)

[EagleFan]

Cincinnati :D

[QuikSand]

Might depend on the definition of "city" but I think Las Vegas might be the answer.

[QuikSand]

This site lists Columbus, Ohio and Austin Texas as the #14 and #15 cities in the US - but it clearly is counting only the city proper - not the "metro area" and that makes a huge difference. I think most of us tend to think in terms of "market size" rather than municipal limits... I don't think anyone intuitively puts Columbus or Austin into their top 20 cities in the US, which reveals that this may not be the most intuitive way of thinking.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

[Senator]

Cloudcroft, New Mexico

[JAG]

Eagles fan: LOL

Quicksand: Good point, unfortunately it only says 'city', so I don't know what criteria it's going by. The answser given is El Paso, TX and gives the popluation as 612,000, so chances are it's not including metro area, not going by census numbers, and possibly just not correct. I don't believe Austin has any major sports teams (Columbus has the Blue Jackets).

Senator: Never heard of Cloudcroft. Good place to visit?

JAG

[tucker342]

I bet Des Moines is up there...

[QuikSand]

Sorry... I forgot about the Blue Jackets...and about oggie generally, which is normal for me.

[ctmason]

There's no real answer to this, due to the variables Quik mentioned.

My guess is Austin. I can tell you that the answer to this same trivia question was San Jose, CA for years and years and years, until the Sharks came along.

[Ryche]

I would be Oklahoma City is the largest city without a pro sports franchise. If you mean largest by land area anyway. I believe Oklahoma City is behind only Los Angeles and Jacksonville.

Austin is the largest city by population, not including metro areas. Followed by Oklahoma City, Tucson and Las Vegas.

[Anrhydeddu]

QS, truthfully, I am a little surprised. That is not like you.

[Leonidas]

The site must be using old census data. Vegas is now over 1 million and still growing. I'd say Vegas is it now.

[Ryche]

The metro area of Vegas is no doubt over 1 million. The figures I saw just counted the city proper though.

[Anrhydeddu]

2000 Census Data

Top 50 Largest Cities

1. New York N.Y. 8008278
2. Los Angeles Calif. 3694820
3. Chicago Ill. 2896016
4. Houston Tex. 1953631
5. Philadelphia Pa. 1517550
6. Phoenix Ariz. 1321045
7. San Diego Calif. 1223400
8. Dallas Tex. 1188580
9. San Antonio Tex. 1144646
10. Detroit Mich. 951270
11. San Jose Calif. 894943
12. Indianapolis Ind. 791926
13. San Francisco Calif. 776733
14. Jacksonville Fla. 735617
15. Columbus Ohio 711470
16. Austin Tex. 656562
17. Baltimore Md. 651154
18. Memphis Tenn. 650100
19. Milwaukee Wis. 596974
20. Boston Mass. 589141
21. Washington DC 572059
22. Nashville-Davidson Tenn. 569891
23. El Paso Tex. 563662
24. Seattle Wash. 563374
25. Denver Colo. 554636
26. Charlotte N.C. 540828
27. Fort Worth Tex. 534694
28. Portland Ore. 529121
29. Oklahoma City Okla. 506132
30. Tucson Ariz. 486699
31. New Orleans La. 484674
32. Las Vegas Nev. 478434
33. Cleveland Ohio 478403
34. Long Beach Calif. 461522
35. Albuquerque N.M. 448607
36. Kansas City Mo. 441545
37. Fresno Calif. 427652
38. Virginia Beach Va. 425257
39. Atlanta Ga. 416474
40. Sacramento Calif. 407018
41. Oakland Calif. 399484
42. Mesa Ariz. 396375
43. Tulsa Okla. 393049
44. Omaha Neb. 390007
45. Minneapolis Minn. 382618
46. Honolulu CDP 2 Hawaii 371657
47. Miami Fla. 362470
48. Colorado Springs Colo. 360890
49. St. Louis Mo. 348189
50. Wichita Kans. 344284

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
QS, truthfully, I am a little surprised. That is not like you.

Forgetting about hockey (oggie) is absolutely like me. I couldn't care less.

[Anrhydeddu]

2001 Data

Top 100 Metro Areas

1. New York-No. New Jersey-Long Island, NY- 19,876,488
2. Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County, CA 15,608,886
3. Chicago-Gary-Kenosha, IL-IN-WI 8,642,175
4. Washington-Baltimore, DC-MD-VA-WV 7,206,517
5. San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA 6,700,753
6. Philadelphia-Wilmington-Atlantic City, PA 5,971,860
7. Boston-Worcester-Lawrence-Lowell-Brockton 5,827,654
8. Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint, MI 5,438,756
9. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 4,683,013
10. Houston-Galveston-Brazoria, TX 4,320,041
11. Atlanta, GA 3,627,184
12. Miami-Fort Lauderdale, FL 3,515,358
13. Seattle-Tacoma-Bremerton, WA 3,367,872
14. Cleveland-Akron, OH 2,908,439
15. Phoenix-Mesa, AZ 2,839,539
16. Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI 2,792,137
17. San Diego, CA 2,722,650
18. St. Louis, MO-IL 2,557,806
19. Pittsburgh, PA 2,361,019
20. Denver-Boulder-Greeley, CO 2,318,355
21. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,227,000
22. Portland-Salem, OR-WA 2,112,802
23. Cincinnati-Hamilton, OH-KY-IN 1,934,145
24. Kansas City, MO-KS 1,709,273
25. Sacramento-Yolo, CA 1,655,866
26. Milwaukee-Racine, WI 1,636,572
27. Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA 1,544,945
28. San Antonio, TX 1,511,386
29. Indianapolis, IN 1,503,468
30. Orlando, FL 1,467,045
31. Columbus, OH 1,460,242
32. Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 1,350,243
33. New Orleans, LA 1,307,758
34. Las Vegas, NV-AZ 1,262,099
35. Salt Lake City-Ogden, UT 1,247,554
36. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,164,721
37. Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, N 1,152,779
38. Nashville, TN 1,134,524
39. Hartford, CT 1,105,174
40. Rochester, NY 1,086,082
41. Memphis, TN-AR-MS 1,083,186
42. Austin-San Marcos, TX 1,071,023
43. Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill, NC 1,050,054
44. Jacksonville, FL 1,034,604
45. Oklahoma City, OK 1,030,504
46. Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland, MI 1,026,295
47. West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, FL 1,018,524
48. Louisville, KY-IN 993,369
49. Dayton-Springfield, OH 944,934
50. Richmond-Petersburg, VA 943,264
51. Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket, RI 904,831
52. Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC 904,729
53. Birmingham, AL 900,029
54. Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY 876,420
55. Honolulu, HI 869,857
56. Fresno, CA 868,703
57. Tucson, AZ 780,150
58. Tulsa, OK 764,396
59. Syracuse, NY 740,771
60. El Paso, TX 701,576
61. Omaha, NE-IA 687,454
62. Albuquerque, NM 674,837
63. Knoxville, TN 654,181
64. Bakersfield, CA 628,605
65. Scranton--Wilkes-Barre--Hazleton, PA 621,641
66. Harrisburg-Lebanon-Carlisle, PA 615,025
67. Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA 613,836
68. Toledo, OH 611,805
69. Youngstown-Warren, OH 595,215
70. Springfield, MA 591,110
71. Baton Rouge, LA 570,165
72. Little Rock-North Little Rock, AR 552,194
73. Stockton-Lodi, CA 542,504
74. Sarasota-Bradenton, FL 538,783
75. Wichita, KS 530,508
76. Mobile, AL 527,118
77. McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX 510,922
78. Charleston-North Charleston, SC 509,856
79. Columbia, SC 503,948
80. Colorado Springs, CO 480,041
81. Fort Wayne, IN 477,536
82. Daytona Beach, FL 465,925
83. Melbourne-Titusville-Palm Bay, FL 460,977
84. Johnson City-Kingsport-Bristol, TN-VA 460,147
85. Augusta-Aiken, GA-SC 457,228
86. Lancaster, PA 454,063
87. Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL 448,646
88. Chattanooga, TN-GA 447,488
89. Lansing-East Lansing, MI 447,349
90. Kalamazoo-Battle Creek, MI 446,699
91. Lexington, KY 444,073
92. Des Moines, IA 429,717
93. Jackson, MS 425,383
94. Modesto, CA 421,818
95. Spokane, WA 404,650
96. Saginaw-Bay City-Midland, MI 402,949
97. Canton-Massillon, OH 402,644
98. Madison, WI 397,511
99. Pensacola, FL 397,085
100. Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Lompoc, CA 390,199

[albionmoonlight]

The first metro area that I see on A's list w/o a team is Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA 1,544,945

Is that right?

[JAG]

Wow, wouldn't have picked VA Beach metro area for largest city including metro area without a major sports team.

Anrhy, you've been on quite an info hunt today. :)

JAG

[Anrhydeddu]

JAG, thanks, it comes with the territory of being a geographer.

Couple of trivia remarks that I have used to throw folks. Many are surprised that Atlanta is not the South's (non-Texas) largest city. Even Virginia Beach have been larger than Atlanta for a few decades.

I always like to shock folks in saying that San Antonio is a top 10 city (has been since 1980), most don't realize that. They were #10 but keeps moving up as Detroit goes down.

San Jose is #11 and bigger than San Francisco. Most, again, do not realize that even though San Jose has been stuck on #11 for quite a while.

When I got interested in this city list in the 1960s, the top 5 were NY-Chic-LA-Phil-Det (if I recall). The migration shifts since 1960 have been historic, along the lines of the post-Civil War shift to the North and the Westward migration before that.