FOFC Cup V

[Alf]

Seedings
I will be using Frogman's Week 5 FOFC rankings to determine the groups seedings

November 24 update : Planning

-Result of the poll : groups of 4 (3 games in 3 weeks) - Max duration 8 weeks
group phase : weeks 7-8-9
playoffs phase : weeks 10-11-12-13-14


There will be a maximum of 64 teams (16 groups of 4), as of now, we are 64, still accepting people on waiting list in case people opt out.



FOFC Member Team Name Tm ID League Region
1 3ric IFK Banaskruv 103399 Sverige Göteborg
2 Aesyrqwe White Sox Pride 71519 USA Chicago
3 Airhog Oklahoma City Redneck 70559 USA Oklahoma
4 Ajaxab Ajax Hawks 70556 USA Iowa
5 Alf Alf Trickers 47201 France Bordeaux
6 Alterra Madison Mallards 222150 USA Wisconsin
7 antbacker Anteaters 71528 USA Los Angeles
8 Ardent Enthusiast North County Raiders 70913 USA Missouri
9 ausonny Bees 70510 USA Tennessee
10 bbor Bbors 29830 Canada Ontario
11 bigjdotcom01 West Henrietta FC 70601 USA New York
12 BishopMVP Concord Assassins 72162 USA Boston
13 Blade6119 Blade Bombers 71724 USA Missouri
14 Breeze Confederates 72127 USA South Carolina
15 BreizhManu BZH Celtics FC 177241 France Bretagne
16 Celeval ATLxpress 225397 USA Atlanta
17 Coffee Warlord Galesburg Avengers 70481 USA Chicago
18 dacman Rochester Roosters 71938 USA Indiana
19 daedalus Calibiri 8598 USA California
20 damnMikeBrown Aviators 8150 USA Ohio
21 dataking Screamin' Seaman 70638 USA Chicago
22 deadrabbitsfc Dead Rabbits FC 229456 USA Texas
23 Desnudo Adios Pantalones 72035 USA Seattle
24 DocHolliday69 RN United 71071 USA Maryland
25 Doug5984 Louisiana Cyclones 72080 USA New Orleans
26 DukeRulesMAB Frankfort United 8533 USA Kentucky
27 fantasic flying frFantasic Flying Frogg 175873 France Montpellier
28 finkenst CC FC 221902 USA Illinios
29 FrogMan Cerio's Dragons FC 108238 Canada Quebec
30 GoldenEagle Golden Eagles FC 71518 USA Mississippi
31 Havok Maniacal Misfitz 72203 USA Florida
32 Hobbes- Fockers 71987 USA Philadelphia
33 hulsey Okham's Razors 222164 USA Missouri
34 iceberg414 tha_untouchables 229301 USA Wisconsin
35 Icy Swamioms FC 119779 España Castilla-La Mancha
36 Katon Lancre Wowhawks 57183 England London
37 larrymcg421 Purple Pirates 71684 USA Florida
38 lytic SouthPark Cows 70821 USA Nebraska
39 Masked South Bay Saints 72176 USA New Orleans
40 mckerney Square Pegs 71980 USA Minnesota
41 McSweeny S. Boston Hooligans 71008 USA Boston
42 NAIWF Manhattan Marauders 71399 USA New York City
43 ntndeacon Deacons 8322 USA Alabama
44 Nylarlahotep Arkam Avengers 72049 USA Rhode Island
45 peaker Peakers 70777 USA Arizona
46 PilotMan Midwest Ice Storm FC 70500 USA Ohio
47 portnoise Walk-In Special 72396 Canada Toronto
48 Professor58 High Tops 8146 USA Chicago
49 Qwikshot Ultra Nox 70627 USA Pennsylvania
50 Ravenhawk Gargoyles 70991 USA Chicago
51 RPI-Fan Averill Park Mercury 8489 USA New York
52 saintjo St. Louis Saints 71006 USA Missouri
53 sterlingice Houston Hippopotami 8574 USA Houston
54 Sublime Manchester Silver Bul 70827 USA New Hampshire
55 SuperBoo Indos 8714 USA San Francisco
56 terpkristin Real Terps FC 8247 USA Maryland
57 The Afoci Fighting Crawfish 70798 USA North Dakota
58 thealmighty Fear of God 229331 USA Texas
59 thesloppy Hobo Chunks 70235 USA Oregon
60 TonyR Bearcats 71265 USA Texas
61 tucker rocky Jacksonville Kickers 70857 USA Florida
62 vexroid NE Oklahoma Sidekicks 71068 USA Oklahoma
63 Vince Isla Vista Vandals 70384 USA California
64 YoSoySean Intercourse Ball Kick 70548 USA Pennsylvania

[DocHolliday69]

I am in this year again

RN United 71071

Thanks
Rob

[The Afoci]

The Crawfish are in it and vow to win it this year.

[finkenst]

i'd like to take my first shot (and get rocked).

CCFC 221902

thanks,

tim

[Katon]

The Lancre Wowhawks will be in.

[damnMikeBrown]

I'd have to concur, that the group play was the most fun. The thing is, we have to plan it so far out. . . Last year we didn't, so a single elimination was the only way to go.

Another thing...with our teams developing, we may have more than a few who last past 4 cup games.

[DukeRulesMAB]

Frankfort United is, as always, in.

[TonyR]

The Bearcats 71265 are in.

[NAIWF]

After skipping last season's cup, I'd like to return - Manhattan Marauders 71399.

[BreizhManu]

I'm in

[Raven Hawk]

Since it is an odd cup number and the Gargoyles have already won Cups 1 & 3, I figure that I would be favored to win Cup 5. :D

I'm in!

I would vote for Group Play as well. It keeps everybody in the cup a lot longer. However, as our teams get better, more people will be in US Cup longer, thus we will have less time to run the cup . . . After looking at the schedule I would say that the cup should start on January 7th (equivalent of 9th round in the cup or week 8 in league play). With an 8 week cup schedule, we could fit it in with the final being the Wednesday after Qualifiers.

We could run the cup in a couple of different ways, depending on number of participants. I say that we stick to that schedule because, also if we start earlier, people may be out of town/away from their computers for the Holidays, so they may not have a chance to accept invites in time, etc . . .

Proposal 1:

64 teams - Top 64 teams, who are not in US Cup when FOFC Cup starts AND have signed up for the FOFC Cup, based on FM's rankings. 16 groups of 4, top 2 from each group makes, playoffs of 32, which is single elimination. Total: 3 weeks group play, 5 weeks playoff.

Proposal 2:

All takers - Divide the teams up into groups of 4, arranged on FM's rankings. Unlimited # of groups, however top 2 teams from each group are not guaranteed. Top team is guaranteed to make playoffs of 32, second place teams fill in the 32 based on points and goal differential. Total 3 weeks group play, 5 weeks playoff.

Let's hear some other ideas. :)

[Havok]

Misfitz are in as always.....

[damnMikeBrown]

We'd have to consider walkover's too. I remember last time, that was an issue. Some teams got 5-0 walkovers, and skated in, which, if we were an antagonistic bunch, would have caused strife. Still, the walk-over thing has to be addressed.

I'm in favor of proposal 1, however, if there are enough signups, I think we should move to proposal 2. Starting with 1 does not exclude moving to 2 if there is enough interest.

Oh, and the Aves are in too.

[McSweeny]

i'm in

i too would like some form of group play this year

[Raven Hawk]

Oooohhh! Just had a cool idea!

Run it like the World Cups in HT!

Top 4 finishers from last year(or from FM's ratings) get a bye. All others have to enter the qualifiers.

3 Weeks of qualifiers based off of FM's ratings, whittling it down to 12 qualifiers, plus 4 byes. 3 weeks of group play based off of qualifier results. Top 2 teams make it from each of 4 groups to the semifinals, ranked on their pts and goal diff., 3 weeks of playoffs. Total 3 qualifier, 3 group play, 3 playoff. We'd have to start it on the 31st of December, however.

It would accomodate 100 teams - 4 byes, 96 qualifiers.

Or we could do 2 qualifier 3 group play, 4 playoff. This would accomodate 104 teams. 8 byes, 96 qualifiers.

If we can't fill the qualifier slots, qualifier teams can have byes based off of FM's rankings. This would give the better teams an extra week to lose in the US Cup.

[Raven Hawk]

Dola. Screw it. I'm just going to start a poll. :)

[Icy]

Umm can a spaish team join the cup? worth it having in mind the expenses for playing at another country?

[Celeval]

I'm in. But be warned - my team sucks.

[Blade6119]

IN!

[Raven Hawk]

Originally posted by Icy
Umm can a spaish team join the cup? worth it having in mind the expenses for playing at another country?

No spaish teams can join, but we warmly welcome any Spanish teams that would like to join. ;)

I'm just being the grammar bastard today. :o

[daedalus]

Originally posted by Raven Hawk
No spaish teams can join, but we warmly welcome any Spanish teams that would like to join. ;)

I'm just being the grammar bastard today. :oPsssssst, RH . . . it's spelling bastard. :D

[-Panther]

<pre style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: .75">
my thoughts on the walkover are this:

once a team becomes a walkover, even for just one week, they forfeit all matches and
lose 5-0 to every team, regardless if they've played or not. ie:

Group A

Schedule:

1. Ballers - Kickers, Strikers - Retards
2. Ballers - Strikers, Kickers - Retards
3. Ballers - Retards, Strikers - Kickers


team played goals points
Ballers 0 0 - 0 0
Kickers 0 0 - 0 0
Strikers 0 0 - 0 0
Retards 0 0 - 0 0

1st round:

Ballers beats Kickers 3-2
Strikers beats Retards 1-0

team played goals points
Ballers 1 3 - 2 3
Strikers 1 1 - 0 3
Kickers 1 2 - 3 0
Retards 1 0 - 1 0

second round:

Ballers ties Strikers 0-0
Kickers beats Retards 3-1

team played goals points
Ballers 2 3 - 2 4
Strikers 2 1 - 0 4
Kickers 2 5 - 4 3
Retards 2 0 - 1 0

3rd round:

Retards doesn't book match, 5-0 walkover win for Ballers
Strikers beat Kickers 2-0

team played goals points
Ballers 3 8 - 2 7
Strikers 3 3 - 0 7
Kickers 3 5 - 6 3
Retards 3 0 - 6 0

ignore games played against Retards and set them all to 5-0 wins

Strikers gets 4 goals added since he beat them 1-0 in week 1
Kickers gets 2 goals added and 1 removed since he won 3-1
Retards get reset to 0-15

team played goals points
Strikers 3 7 - 0 7
Ballers 3 8 - 2 7
Kickers 3 7 - 5 3
Retards 3 0 - 15 0

that way, no one gets an unfair advantage as it becomes a matter of only doing better than
the teams that matter.

as for the team that became the walkover, too bad. if you become a walkover in the national cup,
you're out of it regardless if you had good reasoning or not.
</pre>

[Icy]

Originally posted by Raven Hawk
No spaish teams can join, but we warmly welcome any Spanish teams that would like to join. ;)

I'm just being the grammar bastard today. :o

LOL then i'm glad i'm Spanish and not spaish :)

Count on me then if foreign teams can join, i haven't any contact with my country team owners, i spend all my time at FOFC :)

Swamioms FC (119779)

[daedalus]

Originally posted by -Panther
<pre style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: .75">Retards 0 0 - 0 0Y'know, Panther . . . "Calibiri" isn't THAT hard to spell. My players HATE that nickname!

[-Panther]

Originally posted by daedalus
Y'know, Panther . . . "Calibiri" isn't THAT hard to spell. My players HATE that nickname!

yes but I told my psychologist I'd try to be nicer from now on and I figured calling you by your team name would be much more of an insult than Retards ;)

[saintjo]

the st louis saints (71006) are in as well

[Qwikshot]

Ultra Nox are interested...

[YoSoySean]

I suppose the Ball Kickers are in. Any privledges for finishing 2nd the previous year? ;)

[mckerney]

I'm in.

[Aesyrqwe]

White Sox Pride here..

-Aes-

[daedalus]

Originally posted by -Panther
yes but I told my psychologist I'd try to be nicer from now on and I figured calling you by your team name would be much more of an insult than Retards ;)Hmmmmmmmm. I fear you may have a point here. Curses.

[PilotMan]

Damn its cold......That can only mean one thing.


The return of the Ice Storm! 70500

[terpkristin]

Um I thought there was going to be a poll attached to this one. Either way, I'll be in this year (last season I decided to skip it, and I miss my FOFC matches). :)

~tk "going out in the first round"

[vex]

Count the Sidekicks in. (71068)

[FrogMan]

the Dragons are in :)

FM

[tucker rocky]

Jacksonville Kickers are in.

[Nyarlahotep]

Arkham Avengers are in.

[Hobbes-]

i'm in

[Coffee Warlord]

What's an FOFC Cup without Galesburg doing what they do best?

We're not sure what exactly it is they do. But it's something alright!

[antbacker]

Anteaters are in!

[sterlingice]

-Panther, the problems with walkovers was this: it really biased your group if you had a walkover. Very few other games were 5-0 wins so those teams got huge advantages when choosing the "wild card" teams. The suggested remedy last year was to make it something more like 1-0 or 2-0 because 5-0 just set goal differentials out of whack.

I'm still on the fence about the FOFC Cup until we get a format. I'm really enjoying going international every week for friendlies so it all depends on how long it will take.

SI

[Nyarlahotep]

I really don't care too much about the actual score awarded, but I do think that if we get stuck with group play that one failure to schedule in time should cause walkovers to be awarded for the entire round.

[Alf]

Update : I will update the top post with teams names and IDs, so please Post your team name and ID when replying to this post.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Fantastic Flying Froggies are in for a 3rd year in a row. To get its ass kicked for the 3rd year in a row...

PS : Sterlingice, there are some non US teams in FOFC, so your issue about international games might be a moot point...


EDIT : Oops, forgot team ID : 175873

[Breeze]

I'm in, I'll be an easy win for someone.

Confederates (72127)

[bigjdotcom01]

West Henrietta FC will be in.

[deadrabbitsfc]

Dead Rabbits FC (229456)

[ausonny]

Bees 70510

Back to defend our title!

[Peaker]

Peakers 70777

[Katon]

Forgot to put my team number above:

Lancre Wowhawks (57183)

[portnoise]

Diggity down:

Walk-In Special 72396 (canada)

[The Afoci]

Since BoB is busy doing real work,

West Fargo Stangs.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by fantastic flying froggies
PS : Sterlingice, there are some non US teams in FOFC, so your issue about international games might be a moot point...


Oh, I know. I just always end up in groups with all USA teams. Heck, I'd volunteer to be in a group with all international teams and play every game on the road just to defer the costs from smaller teams but that would screw up the ratings and make it unfair for everyone else.

And I'm definitely not going to badmouth the teams I've played in the Cups either- I've had exciting cup runs both years with one of the best groups 2 seasons ago and being in a run and shoot bracket last year (my first year was a drubbing at the hands of the Aviators in the consolation cup and the team doesn't care to speak about that ;) ).

Oh well. Either way. Who am I kidding, the Hippos are certainly in. I was tired from programming basically 4 days straight on a project and cranky and needed a nap and blankey. Things are much clearer in the light of day.

Houston Hippopotami (8574)

SI

[DataKing]

After a one-season hiatus, the Screamin' Seamen return to take another stab at the FOFC Title!

TeamID 70638

[lytic]

<--- will beat Raven Hawk this year.

[RPI-Fan]

AP Mercury (8489) are in this year, also after a 1-year break (for sucking too badly to bother trying to compete last year.)

[dacman]

I'm in, but only if it's group play or triple elimination or something that guarentees me more than 1 match.

Speaking of triple elimination, I have a friend who schedules some rather complex softball tournaments that I could hit up if we wanted to do something wacky like seeded triple elimination with a double elimination consolation bracket.

Oh yeah....Rochester Roosters 71938

[Doug5984]

I am in again this year- Cup III eliminated in group play, Cup IV eliminated round 1, Cup V Champion? :)

Louisiana Cyclones 72080

[Doug5984]

Dola- we need a new federation logo, right now it says Mokan Mighty Bastards Cup II Champions....anyone with any graphic skill want to take a stab at a new logo / trophey type thinger?

[BishopMVP]

Concord Assassins 72162. I plan on finishing the job this year and winning the Cup. :)

I like the idea of scheduling it like the HT Cups, but as long as it includes group play I'll be happy. I think one way to lower walkovers is to post another thread a week or two before it begins requiring confirmation from each team, or just discuss the format now abd delay signups until then.

[Sublime]

Manchester Silver Bullets (70827)

[Alf]

dacman : I am all for consolation brackets and losers consolation brackets too for those who want !

[Vince]

Isla Vista Vandals (70384)

We're ready to rock again. And by rock, I mean we're going to make like a rock in water.

[Airhog]

I will join my team is the Rednecks. I will get around to getting my id later :D

[Poli]

North County Raiders 70913

[Raven Hawk]

Originally posted by lytic
<--- will beat Raven Hawk this year.

<---- Is off to remind HT-Bjorn about lytic's thoughts on Bjorn's juggling acumen. ;)

[Alf]

We are up to 50 entrants. I am computing everything into an excel sheet.

[Ajaxab]

I'm in.

Ajax Hawks (70556)

[lytic]

Originally posted by Raven Hawk
<---- Is off to remind HT-Bjorn about lytic's thoughts on Bjorn's juggling acumen. ;)


Shush Rookie!

[thealmighty]

Fear of God is interested if, as dacman says, it lasts more than a week.

[Masked]

South Bay Saints (72176) are in.

[Superboo]

Indos (8714) are in

my first post :)

[Alf]

Up to 55 entrants

[Alf]

So, no new entrants since Friday...

[fantastic flying froggies]

Originally posted by Alf
We are up to 50 entrants. I am computing everything into an excel sheet.

You spend WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much time associating with Frogman...

;)

[Professor58]

High Tops (8146) I would like to join if it is not too late.

[Desnudo]

Adios Pantalones (72035)

[Alf]

You both are in. I plan on doing a schedule based on group play later this week.

[Alf]

Bump - 1st post updated

[Peaker]

It's too cold in minn. I'm from arizona, I'm listed from minn. too darn cold up there.

[Alf]

Well, I took dacman official list... We'll change that. I think we could use regional groups for the first group phase => more spectators, more money for both teams.

[Vince]

I have no problem being in an international grouping...my team is financially stable enough to put up with travel costs even if they aren't made up by ticket sales, and I'd love the experience boost.

[alterra]

Madison Mallards would like to sign up! 222150

[thesloppy]

If you've still got room, the Chunks are IN and plan on scoring at least a goal.

Hobo Chunks (70235)

[BishopMVP]

If you need someone else for an international group, I'd be willing, especially if it involved the Canadien teams. Already posted team id, name is Concord Assassins.

[sterlingice]

The Hippos would love to play in an international group. Heck, I'll play all of my games on the road, I don't care.

SI

[DataKing]

International play is fine for SSFC. I like to give my players at least one "trip abroad" each season anyhow.

[portnoise]

diggin' the group concept

[Alf]

alterra & the sloppy added

[Alf]

COME ON - ONLY 60 OF YOU GUYS HAVE REPLIED

WE NEED 20 MORE AT LEAST, & I HAVE NAMES :)

[finkenst]

I'm alraedy signed up.
I'd like to see group play.

[Alf]

Bumping it again

[Alf]

bump it up

[GoldenEagle]

Golden Eagles FC are a maybe...

Doug (Louisana Cyclones) and I are debating to join the cup or not.

[Alf]

Planning update at the top of this thread

[PilotMan]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
Golden Eagles FC are a maybe...

Doug (Louisana Cyclones) and I are debating to join the cup or not.

Why? Is the experience from international friendlies too good? .1 vs .2 is almost negligable in my book. You need to support the FOFC Cup, give it legitamacy. Take one for the team, and all the other fancy cliche's.

[dacman]

weeks 6-7-8-9 : Group phase (groups of 5) - 60 teams so far
week 10 : Round of 32

Uhh, not possible. It takes 5 weeks to play 4 games with groups of 5 because someone will be idle every week. Unless you were only planning on 3 group phase games, but I'm guessing not. That's why we went with groups of 6 previously.

[Alf]

Originally posted by dacman
Uhh, not possible. It takes 5 weeks to play 4 games with groups of 5 because someone will be idle every week. Unless you were only planning on 3 group phase games, but I'm guessing not. That's why we went with groups of 6 previously.

Thanks dacman, me=moron. I made this plan late last night and was tired... And yes, FOFC Cup 3 had groups of 6.

Guess we go with groups of 6 (min 5 FOFC Cup games) => 10 groups of 6. Top 3 from each group + 2 best 4th teams go to playoffs. FOFC Cup then ends on week 15

[Alf]

dola - I'll update post

[sterlingice]

Ack- this is just getting longer and longer. This is why some of us end up questioning if we want to be in it every year: I like friendlies. I like scheduling my own friendlies. And as it is right now, ~5 of my weeks will be tied up with the USA Cup, 3-4 if I get upset. And another 6-8 in the FOFC Cup which potentially leaves me with 3 friendlies that I can schedule the entire season and that's not enough time to play games with supporters and get some international games in.

I've already said I'm in but I'm just saying for next year and future consideration, this is why a lot of people don't play in the FOFC Cup. In fact, if you play the FOFC Cup just so you have guaranteed friendlies- you probably shouldn't be playing at all.

SI

[Alf]

Or we just schedule groups of 4 => 3 mandatory games

As of now 14 (or 15) groups of 4 => Top 2 + 4 best 3rd move on to Round of 32, Then 16, 8, 4, Final


I guess I need to post a poll !
It will be either
- groups of 6 (5 games in 5 weeks) - Max duration 10 weeks
- groups of 5 (4 games in 5 weeks - 1 possible ouside friendly) - Max duration 10 weeks
- groups of 4 (3 games in 3 weeks) - Max duration 8 weeks

[Alf]

bump for potential new entrants

[GoldenEagle]

Golden Eagles FC commit.

I expect to win this...

[GoldenEagle]

Dola I think we should do the seedings by FM's first week of rankings.

[daedalus]

If there's a spot left, the Calibiri will join the dance. (If not, we'll be cheering!) :D

Like sterling, I'd be happy to be in the international group. Even if I have to travel for all the games.

[Alf]

Reading here. But not at home (parents house). Glad to see 2 famous FOFCers join !

[Vince]

For what it's worth, last year some people were a little disappointed by the week of rankings I used (due to PICs, etc). Might be a good idea to tell people in advance what week's rankings you are going to use for the seeding, that way no one can complain (not that people would complain...I think you know what I mean).

[Alf]

Yeah, I am leaning towards using week 4 or week 5 rankings, but that doesn't change a lot when I am going to present the way I see grouping the teams.

Teams will be placed in 4 tiers, and I intend on drawing one team from each tier for the group play. That way, we make the FOFC rankings a little bit less important.

[Alf]

bump - 1st post updated

[larrymcg421]

Purple Pirates are in.

Team ID - 71684

[3ric]

OK, I'm in.
IFK Bananskruv, id 103399

[Alf]

you both are in.

[bbor]

bbors are in if there is space

[Alf]

bbor is in. We need 2 more

[daedalus]

Originally posted by Alf
bbor is in.There. Goes. The. Neighborhood. :D

That said, if it's at all possible the Calibiri would love to be in the same group as the Bbors so we can thump, er, I mean, play them in the Cup. If not, it's all good. We'll thump, er, I mean to say, play them afterward, too.

Darn my typing skill going the way of the US U-20 coach's. :D

[Alf]

We are now 64. Still accepting people for waiting list in case people opt out.

daedalus & al - for the seedings, I will put a poll with several options tomorrow.

[Alf]

Expect FOFC CUP V website to be launched next week.

As for the seedings poll, I'll do it also next week. I couldn't do it today (too much "real" work !)

[Alf]

Bump - Look for something to be done tomorrow.

Also, please note, that we are still accepting people on the waiting list in case of people not showing up when the roll-call time will come !

[Poli]

Will the four Missouri teams please stand up? :)

[Blade6119]

Im here ardent...you cant get rid of me!

[Achilles]

Missouri Tigers signing up to play if still need a spot...should be able to go after cup

[Blade6119]

628 Blade6119 Blade Bombers 71724 V.193 USA Missouri
1799 Achilles Missouri Tigers 70392 V.237 USA Missouri
1988 Ardent Enthusiast North County Raiders 70913 III.8 USA Missouri
3044 hulsey Okham's Razors 222164 VI.35 USA Missouri
3026 saintjo St. Louis Saints 71006 VI.17 USA Missouri

No idea were hulsey and saintjo are...i got achilles to log on...my team is solid, but i can only fovus on the fofc cup some weeks...focusing on it last year cost me a shot at the league title

[Poli]

I never focus on the coveted FOFC Cup. I just let people pick me off. But be warned, my B team is becoming very grizzled by their D3 trouncings! :)

[Poli]

I didn't leave any clothes there, did I? :)

[Poli]

shoot, i can't seem to find a set of clothes. Perhaps your room ate them.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Any update on a start date ?

[Alf]

In first thread :Start Date : Week 7 HT Time. ;)