Another nice, immersive thing in FOF2K4... [Archive]

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 08:48 AM

Speaking of superstars, check out Bob Stephenson's numbers:

http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/stephenson.jpg

That 5-year run from 2015-2019 is just amazing.

cthomer5000

12-10-2003, 08:52 AM

2021 was pretty damn nice as well.

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by cthomer5000
2021 was pretty damn nice as well. Yeah, but too few carries. Clearly this is a bug. Too much passing. ;) I'm trying to sign that offensive coordinator for Washington that got him 400+ carries for six straight seasons. :D

Bee

12-10-2003, 08:54 AM

What's really impressive to me is no injuries and the fact that he's still productive this late in his career.

Butter

12-10-2003, 08:55 AM

This must be a bug if he played that well for Arizona. :p

Passacaglia

12-10-2003, 08:59 AM

Why on Earth did he leave Washington? And what kind of numbers did Kent Raymond put up in 2015?

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Passacaglia
Why on Earth did he leave Washington? And what kind of numbers did Kent Raymond put up in 2015? I'm guessing they couldn't afford to keep him.

Raymond in 2015:

329 carries, 1536 yards, 4.6ypc, 8 TD's
60 catches, 585 yards, 5 TD's

Stephenson had 23 catches for 260 yards and 1 TD that year. He was the first-team RB, but Raymond was named MVP.

Here's something interesting:

Raymond was the 'Skins' feature back from 2009 to 2013. I guess when his contract ran out, they signed Stephenson.

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 09:10 AM

I just did some checking on Washington's situation at the end of 2019, when they let Stephenson get away. At that point, three of their starting offensive linemen were also FA-eligible. Going to look at 2020 to see who they re-signed, etc. (Nice little anecdotal look at AI roster building...)

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 09:17 AM

I can live with what they did.

They renegotiated (long extension) with their star QB, tried to sign a big-time offensive tackle (he turned 'em down), then re-signed both of their former starting tackles, signed a solid offensive guard, and signed a solid, non-star RB, who rushed for 1361 yards in 2020.

Results?

They went 12-4 and were the wild-card team in 2019, with Stephenson.
They went 12-4 and won the division in 2020, without him.

Both seasons they lost in the Division round of the playoffs to Philly.

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 09:20 AM

I'm guessing that when all was said and done, they could have afforded to re-sign Stephenson, but their initial FA big offer was to the stud offensive tackle. (This guy was rated 100,100,89,96.) I'll be by the time the tackle turned 'em down, Stephenson had already signed the 5-year, $76.24 million deal with Arizona that cost them $9M+ in cap room in year 1. :eek:

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 09:21 AM

Dola....

The year 2 hit in Stephenson's contract was $15.73M. Ouch.

JAG

12-10-2003, 09:22 AM

I can more than live with that...that's fairly outstanding.

WSUCougar

12-10-2003, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by SkyDog
Stephenson had 23 catches for 260 yards and 1 TD that year. He was the first-team RB, but Raymond was named MVP.
Bit of a threadjack (sorry SD), but I've also found this a little odd in the FOF universe...that players can be an MVP yet not the 1st team player at their position. Is this something that happens in the NFL? Or is this a mini-bug?

Passacaglia

12-10-2003, 09:28 AM

Wasn't McNabb named MVP a few years back, but didn't make the Pro Bowl?

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by JAG
I can more than live with that...that's fairly outstanding. I was intentionally understating. ;)

Here's what happened to Arizona:

2019: 6-10 (w/o Stephenson)
2020: 4-12 (with Stepheson from here forward)
2021: 4-12
2022: 9-7
2023: 6-8-2
2024: 8-8

Washington:
2019: 12-4 (w/ Stephenson)
2020: 12-4 (w/o Stephenson from here forward)
2021: 9-7
2022: 11-5
2023: 6-10
2024: 9-7

Washington's issue in 2023 appeared to have been defense. Their QB (same stud they extended when they let Stephenson go) threw for 4,313 yards with 27 Td's, 10 INt's, and a 96.0 rating

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by WSUCougar
Bit of a threadjack (sorry SD), but I've also found this a little odd in the FOF universe...that players can be an MVP yet not the 1st team player at their position. Is this something that happens in the NFL? Or is this a mini-bug? I don't know if it has ever happened in real life, but I can certainly see how it could. I just think about the Falcons last year. If Vick had been able to have one or two more big games in the playoffs, the case could be made that he was the most valuable guy in the league, but he shouldn't have been first-team QB by any means.

Peregrine

12-10-2003, 09:46 AM

I wonder if Stephenson was a highly rated stud coming out of the draft? My latest draft starred probably the best prospect I've ever seen, Junior Meester, a RB rated 9.0/9.6 adjusted who somehow dropped to the 5th pick in the draft! After training camp he was rated 75/87 and was already the 3rd best RB in the league. I expect him to put up some Stephenson like numbers!

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Peregrine
I wonder if Stephenson was a highly rated stud coming out of the draft? My latest draft starred probably the best prospect I've ever seen, Junior Meester, a RB rated 9.0/9.6 adjusted who somehow dropped to the 5th pick in the draft! After training camp he was rated 75/87 and was already the 3rd best RB in the league. I expect him to put up some Stephenson like numbers! He was drafted 1(7), the 2nd RB taken, rated 49/65, but earned OROY honors. The interesting thing about Stephenson is that at his max, he was rated 67/67.

RB Bernie Garcia, who was taken 1(4) in 2014, three picks ahead of Stephenson, has had a very strong career (12,555 yards, 4.2ypc, 80 TD's), but has no hardware.

Stephenson, however, is the all-time leading rusher in my universe by over 4,400 yards, and he's still active...

cuervo72

12-10-2003, 11:26 AM

Wasn't Ryan Rice your guy? :)

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by cuervo72
Wasn't Ryan Rice your guy? :) Nice memory. Yeah he was. Won the freakin' MVP after I let him fly.....

Ben E Lou

12-10-2003, 11:29 AM

Dola...

I went 7-9 in 2011 too. :(

WebEwbank

12-11-2003, 07:28 AM

More impressed by his consistency and durability than his numbers, as someone else said. I once had an RB who scored 201 TDs on the ground in his career in FOF2.

Darkiller

12-11-2003, 07:48 AM

Could it be RB Nate Borders ? your keeper in the Village Challenge 2 ...

cuervo72

12-11-2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by SkyDog
Nice memory. Yeah he was. Won the freakin' MVP after I let him fly.....

Thanks. I have a knack for remembering things that are basically inconsequential. :)

Ben E Lou

12-17-2003, 07:07 PM

Was just looking at Stephenson again. He has 4,500 more yards than anyone else in my universe. :eek:

That is one thing I love about this version. It from time-to-time produces true once-in-a-lifetime performers.

ice4277

12-17-2003, 07:26 PM

I've got my Tennessee Titans Quinn Torkleson jersey in the mail. Possibly one of the greatest names in video game football.

judicial clerk

12-17-2003, 07:59 PM

Torkleson is overrated. he didn't earn that second mvp trophy, he just got it because of name recognition.

rexallllsc

12-17-2003, 08:05 PM

kingnebwsu

12-18-2003, 04:54 AM

Threadjack 2:

T.J. Duckett (!!!) just won the 2006 MVP award for my Falcons and was named 2nd team RB. His stats were solid, but TD's were way low (like 6). I didn't think he deserved it. But hey, I took over a 4-12 team to make them 13-3 and go to the NFC tittie game. Oh the excitement! Hope we can win in '07 so I can move to another team.

Alf

12-18-2003, 05:00 AM

I love tittie games ;)

WussGawd

12-18-2003, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by SkyDog
I was intentionally understating. ;)

Here's what happened to Arizona:

2019: 6-10 (w/o Stephenson)
2020: 4-12 (with Stepheson from here forward)
2021: 4-12
2022: 9-7
2023: 6-8-2
2024: 8-8

Hmm. Talk about Emmitt's quote about being a diamond among trash. Only the Cruds could sign a perennial 1000+ yard rusher and still suck.