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Richards

12-28-2003, 06:12 PM

I don't believe what I have just seen.

As a Packer fan, seeing that Arizona comeback/Viking collapse defies logic.

I guess I get some consolation being stuck watching TV where I could only see the Vikings :)

Could people be calling for Tice's head after this?

Philliesfan980

12-28-2003, 06:13 PM

Recap please, I've been away from the TV.

Philliesfan980

12-28-2003, 06:14 PM

This sucks!

To be honest, the Packers are the only team that scares me as an Eagles fan. They know how to play in the cold, and are good on the road. This is not good.

12-28-2003, 06:16 PM

Arizona scored on a controversial pass on the final play of the game to win; scored two tds in last two minutes, recovering an onsides kick in the process. Receiver on last play had only one foot in; ref ruled he was pushed out. Play was reviewed but apparently for possession. Looking at the replay, I would just say it is the type that could have been and has in the past been called either way.

Richards

12-28-2003, 06:19 PM

RECAP:

Background: Packers playoff scenarios all become eliminated at game time, except the possibility of Viking loss at Arizona, and GB win at home v Denver.

Vikings carry a 17-6 lead late into 4th q. Arizona with big play gets to within striking distance and score a td. Missed 2pt conversion. Score 17-12. Onside kickoff with under 2 min to go recovered by Arizona. Drive down the field, 2nd down from the 9 (?) yard line. Mckown sacked TWICE I think. 4th and 24, clock running 6 seconds, from 26 yard line, scramble, TD pass to back the end zone as time expires.

Pushed out. Reviewed. TD good.

Vikings 9-7 eliminated from playoffs. Packers 31-3 at home NFC north champs.

FBPro

12-28-2003, 06:21 PM

Sweet, Go Favre!!!

MizzouRah

12-28-2003, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
This sucks!

To be honest, the Packers are the only team that scares me as an Eagles fan. They know how to play in the cold, and are good on the road. This is not good.

Good... do away with those Eagles, because you know the Rams can't win on the road. :)

Todd

yabanci

12-28-2003, 06:38 PM

Where did I hear someone say that onside kicks don't matter much in pro football?

Front Office Midget

12-28-2003, 06:47 PM

Wow, as a Packer fan, I was pretty disheartened when it was 17-6. Suddenly it was 17-12 and I thought maybe the Packers had a chance. Suddenly, Jim Nanz comes on saying they were reviewing the TD, I couldn't believe it! I am sooo thrilled at this point!

Subby

12-28-2003, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by yabanci
Where did I hear someone say that onside kicks don't matter much in pro football?
I think they meant two-point conversions.

Oh wait. :)

Philliesfan980

12-28-2003, 06:53 PM

I just hope that they don't play the Eagles. They are in the only team that could come in and beat them.

Richards

12-28-2003, 06:53 PM

Hmm I almost felt sorry for the Vikes until I heard that Llama Jeff Dubay take a cheap shot at the Packers on Viking Fan Line.

Well I guess the Vikings can take heart, if the world was like PPF, they'd be going to the playoffs.

SegRat

12-28-2003, 06:54 PM

From Wisconsin: Thank You Arizona!!!!!

Ryche

12-28-2003, 06:58 PM

Sucks missing the playoffs on a judgment call like that. A pushout shouldn't be called unless you know the receiver is going to be able to bring both feet inbounds, which was not the case. But I'm a Vikings fan, so my view of the play is definitely biased.

Next season, next season, next season.

Richards

12-28-2003, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Ryche
Sucks missing the playoffs on a judgment call like that. A pushout shouldn't be called unless you know the receiver is going to be able to bring both feet inbounds, which was not the case. But I'm a Vikings fan, so my view of the play is definitely biased.

Next season, next season, next season.

I think it was Bud Grant who said you should never put yourself in the position where a ref's call can change the game's outcome for you.

Ryche

12-28-2003, 07:20 PM

I think it was Bud Grant who said you should never put yourself in the position where a ref's call can change the game's outcome for you.

No doubt, you won't get any disagreement from me on that. I don't think that should have been called a touchdown, but that's why you don't let the opponent stay close. If you make the plays when you need to, it doesn't matter what the refs call.

Hurst2112

12-28-2003, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Ryche
Sucks missing the playoffs on a judgment call like that. A pushout shouldn't be called unless you know the receiver is going to be able to bring both feet inbounds, which was not the case. But I'm a Vikings fan, so my view of the play is definitely biased.

Next season, next season, next season.

That's ok. You didn't miss the playoffs on a judgement call, you missed it because of lousy coaching and lack of motivation.

As far as the call goes. Watching it played over and over again, made me realize that it was a good call.

ice4277

12-28-2003, 07:36 PM

It was a good call. The way the Vikings have been playing the last few weeks, I am glad they did not back their way in.

cthomer5000

12-28-2003, 07:38 PM

I believe the ref made the right call.

MizzouRah

12-28-2003, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Richards
Hmm I almost felt sorry for the Vikes until I heard that Llama Jeff Dubay take a cheap shot at the Packers on Viking Fan Line.

Well I guess the Vikings can take heart, if the world was like PPF, they'd be going to the playoffs.

Ouch!

Todd

TroyF

12-28-2003, 08:36 PM

I think he made the wrong call. Doesn't matter though. They never should have let it get to that and they were burned.

The Pack could get hot and run through the playoffs. I doubt it will happen, but ya never know.

EagleFan

12-28-2003, 09:07 PM

I have to say, the last couple weeks have witnessed some strange events. First the Saints missed extra point, then the Vikings choke. Just think, if you were playing FOF, TPF, FBPro, you name the football sim, and this happened there would be threads on a forum about how unrealistic it was. ;)

As an Eagle fan the Packers scare me becauseof that whole "storyline" thing. The whole winning after the death of his father is instant TV movie material, especially in the manner it happened with him throwing for 300 yards in a half followed by the miracle in Phoenix. Sorry, I've just seen enough Philly dissapointments to feel comfortable about anything. :)

MizzouRah

12-28-2003, 09:09 PM

Get Denzel! That's a movie!! :)

Todd

Kodos

12-28-2003, 09:11 PM

Hmm. Favre gets in instead of Randy Moss. Yeah, I'll take that exchange. :)

TroyF

12-28-2003, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by MizzouRah
Get Denzel! That's a movie!! :)

Todd

Hmmm, Denzel playing Farve? Who do we get to play Green, Tom Hanks? :)

Cringer

12-28-2003, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by MizzouRah
Get Denzel! That's a movie!! :)

Todd

Is Denzel Favre or Mike Sherman?:D

MizzouRah

12-28-2003, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by TroyF
Hmmm, Denzel playing Farve? Who do we get to play Green, Tom Hanks? :)

Now that would be a movie! Millions would riot just to get in and see that movie. :)

I was thinking Denzel as Culpepper and Tom Cruise as Brett. Somewhere I would have to get Nicholas Cage into the movie, maybe Sherman. :)

Todd

cthomer5000

12-28-2003, 09:18 PM

I'm on the casting couch:

Matt Damon as Brett Favre, Dave Chapelle as Randy Moss, Martin Mull as Mike Holmgren.

MizzouRah

12-28-2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by cthomer5000
I'm on the casting couch:

Matt Damon as Brett Favre, Dave Chapelle as Randy Moss, Martin Mull as Mike Holmgren.

:D

Samdari

12-29-2003, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Ryche
A pushout shouldn't be called unless you know the receiver is going to be able to bring both feet inbounds, which was not the case. But I'm a Vikings fan, so my view of the play is definitely biased.

Huh, its definitely not the case that the ref knew he was going to come down in bounds? How would you know this? I think we can most definitely discount your view of the play as biased.

I do think it could have gone either way, but I applaud the ref for making a decisive call on something that is close and in a huge situation. Replay has for the most part turned NFL refs into wusses and they normally just wait for replay to make those calls.

Pacersfan46

12-29-2003, 07:31 AM

I think it was a great call. He was coming straight down, and he was plenty in bounds for the other foot to have room. He SHOULD have gotten the other foot in, but we'll never really know because they did push the guy.

I was watching the game, and I've seen 100 replays, and I'm not a Vikings, or Cardinal fan, so I think my view is extremely unbias. In fact, I hate the Packers, and if anything would be skewed to saying he wouldn't have made it. Granted, I only don't like the Packers because my father loves them.

Wasabiak

12-29-2003, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by ice4277
The way the Vikings have been playing the last few weeks, I am glad they did not back their way in.

Um, do you know what the fuck you're talking about? Did they not beat the Chiefs, by 25 points or something like that. And i think they beat Seattle by something like 27 points also. So you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

But losing to Arizona, they deserve to stay home.

Pacersfan46

12-29-2003, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Wasabiak
Um, do you know what the fuck you're talking about? Did they not beat the Chiefs, by 25 points or something like that. And i think they beat Seattle by something like 27 points also. So you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

But losing to Arizona, they deserve to stay home.

While I thought of that myself, in that persons defense Minnesota did start 6-0. From that point, they would be going backwards. They were 3 - 7 the rest of the way.

Not to mention you pointed out the 2 wins in the last 4 games (Seattle, and KC), but their losses in the last 4 games did come to Arizona, and Chicago.

SirFozzie

12-29-2003, 08:09 AM

any team that loses to the four worst teams in the league (all 4 4-12 teams) deserves to be watching the playoffs from the living room on TV

Wasabiak

12-29-2003, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by SirFozzie
any team that loses to the four worst teams in the league (all 4 4-12 teams) deserves to be watching the playoffs from the living room on TV

Yep, i think i already stated that. But when someone says ".......the way the Vikings have been playing the last few weeks....", well, they beat 2 playoff teams in the last 4 weeks. The last 10 weeks, overall, they played like shit and, yes, they deserve to clean out their lockers today. Just don't discount the fact that they beat KC and Seattle, two teams that are in the playoffs.

Yossarian

12-29-2003, 08:20 AM

Matt Damon as Brett Favre, Dave Chapelle as Randy Moss, Martin Mull as Mike Holmgren

And Kevin Smith as Silent Bob...

Cringer

12-29-2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Yossarian
And Kevin Smith as Silent Bob...

Kevin Smith as Silent Bob AS a chain-gang crew member!

Vinatieri for Prez

12-29-2003, 11:51 PM

The really terrible part for the Vikings was when they stopped Emmitt on the 2-point conversion (the result of McKown throwing behind Smith). If AZ had gotten the 2 points, they would definitely have kicked a FG to tie on 4th down (maybe even miss it to lose - something Rackers is good at). Thus, giving the Vikes overtime and a chance to win it. Go figure!