Baseball Auction Round 1 Results

[BishopMVP]

Results - http://www.geocities.com/bishopmvp5/auction.xls

Link to previous thread with official rules -http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=20465

1. Same process applies, other than anything listed here. Remember to submit them alphabetically by last name. Also, remember you only have 1000 points total, not 1000 for each round.
2. For this round, when submitting your bids, include 2 lists. One of every player you have won bidding in Round 1 and one of your bids for Round 2.
3. We have 20 owners, a good number, IMO, so there will be no more added.
4. Official deadline for Round 2 is 11:59 PM EST Sunday Night, but the sooner I get all 20 entries, the sooner we can move onto Round 3, and it shoudn't take as long now because you've already researched some.

Other info copied from posts in the other thread, in case you missed it

"A couple other things - Chubby pointed out that I have one player going to Honolulu Blue instead of him. I'm guessing there are 2-3 more errors in there somewhere. For example, if you bid 76 and its recorded as 7 on the left, let me know. I'm not checking each teams point totals closely, but if you are caught using more than 1000 points regardless if it's my fault or yours, you will be disqualified. This doesn't mean if I record you down for 22 when you meant 2 you will be, but if you meant 22 and I record it down as 2 and you proceed to spend the extra 20 points and someone points out that you overspent, you will be DQ'ed."

Also, discussion is welcome and encouraged, but remember you are still bidding against the other people, so keep that in mind when discussing what great players are out there and your team.

EDIT - The link should be working. If it doesn't, try http://www.geocities.com/bishopmvp5/auction3.xls

Round 2 Bids Received From:
BishopMVP
Coffee Warlord
Bearcat729
Honolulu Blue<!-- / message -->

[BishopMVP]

To begin this thread with a Quiksand-style dola, I'm pretty pleased with my results from Round 1.

Position Name Bid
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 230pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=307 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 134pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 6546" width=179><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=64 height=17>C</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 134pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=179>Buck Ewing</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right width=64 x:num>2</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>1B</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Dan Brouthers</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>LF</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Ted Williams</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>152</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>CF</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Hack Wilson</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RF</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Larry Walker</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SP1</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Christy Mathewson</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>121</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SP2</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Pedro Martinez</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>121</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SP3</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Satchel Paige</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>11</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SP4</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Old Hoss Radbourn</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>MANAGER</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Jimy Williams</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>TOTAL</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>10</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>416</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
The best starting rotation in the contest (and I was tied for Lefty Grove untilthe 2nd to last entry) and 'the greatest hitter that ever lived' provides a good foundation. Ewing, Brouthers, Wilson are all Hall of Famers who were among the best players at their position, and I'm sure everyone is familiar with Larry Walker, a 5-time All-Star and NL MVP. Satchel Paige for 11 and Buck Ewing for 2 are two of the great steals of the first round.

Overall, other steals include Mark McGwire for 1 pt, Cy Young for 25, Jackie Robinson for 40, George Sisler for 41, Eddie Plank at 11, Randy Johnson for 40, Hank Greenberg for 30, Lou Gehrig for 40, Nomar Garciaparra for 5 and Ty Cobb for 65. The two highest paid players were Josh Gibson at 384 and Oscar Charleston at 306, both by Oykib. The most surprising name I saw was Tim Wallach, bid on for 1 point. One other note is that 222 people were bidded on, out of 520 slots.

[Ramzavail]

Link doesnt work.

[Maple Leafs]

I haven't seen the list (link is broken), but wow, there were some bargains in there. Cobb for 65? Larceny.

I ended up deciding against trying too many lowball bids, since I figured that with 30 teams the odds of one slipping through were slim. Shows what I know.

[oykib]

I figured people'd be dueling for the true greats. I figured to get the two players my team'd be built around and go from there. I really regret changing my 100 point bid for Satchel Paige to add more to my Josh Gibson bid.

But Ive got All my starting players already. I just need fill-in guys. Maybe one front line starter.

[Neuqua]

Jimy Williams?

[oykib]

Dola--


My current team (everyone should post their first rounders here so that we can discuss more easily):

Bishop, Max - 3 Oykib 2B
Charleston, Oscar - 306 Oykib OF
Gibson, Josh - 384 Oykib C
Vladimir Guerrero - 66 Oykib OF
Kaneda, Masaichi - 22 Oykib LHP
Larkin, Barry - 12 Oykib SS
Lloyd, John Henry - 27 Oykib SS
Murray, Eddie - 7 Oykib 1B
Nagashima, Shigeo - 2 Oykib 3B
Raines, Tim - 51 Oykib OF
Roberts, Robin - 22 Oykib RHP
Southworth, Billy - 2 Oykib Manager
Vance, Dazzy - 20 Oykib RHP

[vtbub]

I can't access my list.

[oykib]

I can't access my list.

Keep trying. eventually it comes through. I got it on the third try.

[sooner333]

Well, I have only 4 players. I believe everything holds up from last night...I can't access the list.

I got
Bonds, Barry - 200 pts.
Cobb, Ty - 65 pts.
Latham, Arlie - 1 pt.
McGwire, Mark - 1 pt.

[vtbub]

McGwire for 1? Nice

[Coffee Warlord]

Can't access the list at all here, either. Either links.

Edit: There it goes. Heh.

[Comey]

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 161pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=214 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 161pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 7826" width=214><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 161pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=214 height=17>Aaron, Hank - 225</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Delahanty, Ed - 1</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 161pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=214 height=17>Huggins, Miller - 16</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 161pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=214 height=17>Jackson, Joe - 105</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 161pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=214 height=17>Overall, Orval - 15</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 161pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=214 height=17>Plank, Eddie - 11</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 161pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=214 height=17>Wagner, Honus - 251</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Wood, Joe - 10</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I'll take this list so far. Getting Ed Delahanty for $1 is nice.

[Chubby]

Well, I have only 4 players. I believe everything holds up from last night...I can't access the list.

I got
Bonds, Barry - 200 pts.
Cobb, Ty - 65 pts.
Latham, Arlie - 1 pt.
McGwire, Mark - 1 pt.


FUCKER! I had Cobb for 1 point until you bid on him (on the list before the last couple of bids got sent in)

Can't get to the list so I don't know who I got...

[vtbub]

How are you accessing your lists, through the excel spreadsheet or the pm link?

[Coffee Warlord]

Your current Coffee Warlordians. As is fairly obvious, we have some serious hitting power already. I lost out on a lot of pitchers, so it's time to shore up our staff. But with the heart of our order set with DiMaggio, Robinson, Foxx, Maris and Sandberg, this team should score. Grace, Lofton, Winfield, and Santo (talk about an uber backup in Santo), provide some good options off the bench. If I can't net a truly great leadoff man, I can plug Lofton up there and be content. I dunno if he's a future Hall guy, but every time I see that guy play, he makes shit happen.

Pitching is of course, still a hole. Phil Niekro, the God of Knucklers, rocks, of course, and I picked up a quality, new-era consistent pitcher in Jon Lieber. He's not one of the greats, but he's dependable. I picked him as a discount Spot Starter/Long Reliever type. Relief pitching is shaping up to be pretty damn tough, though I need to track down 2 more studs.

And who better to manage this group of misfits than Earl Weaver? :)

1B - Foxx, Jimmie (105)
1B - Grace, Mark (11)
2B - Sandberg, Ryne (25)
3B - Robinson, Brooks (67)
3B - Santo, Ron (21)
OF - DiMaggio, Joe (110)
OF - Maris, Roger (65)
OF - Lofton, Kenny (1)
OF - Winfield, Dave (12)

SP - Niekro, Phil (18)
SP - Lieber, Jon (1)
RP - Nen, Robb (27)
RP - Foulke, Keith (5)

M - Weaver, Earl (5)

[Bearcat729]

Lets see, I've filled a number of spots already.

Player/Manager John McGraw 100 points
P Grover Cleveland Alexander 50 points
P John Clarkson 10 points
P Chief Bender 20 points
P Whitey Ford 40 points
P Trevor Hoffman 10 points
P John Smoltz 40 points
C Bill Dickey 35 points
1B Hank Greenberg 30 points
1B Ted Kluszewski 20 points
2B Cupid Childs 5 points
3B Al Rosen 20 points
SS Alex Rodriguez 175 points
SS Lou Boudreau 20 points
SS Joe Sewell 20 points
OF Duke Snider 75 points
OF Ralph Kiner 75 points
OF Paul Waner 30 points

[Maple Leafs]

Looks like you just need to keep hitting the link. It does load eventually.

I already have 18 players plus a manager, which I don't think is a good sign. I loaded up on player's from the first half of the century, figuring they'd go cheaper than recent guys. That might not be a great strategy, since when it comes time to vote I expect a lot of people won't recognize the names on my list.

My team has a solid starting rotation (Joss, Brown, Waddell and Walsh), all of whom were dominant back in the day. Offensively we'll have a ton of speed and plenty of hits, with the fastest player in history (Bell) leading off and plenty of .400 hitters and high OBP behind him - Hornsby, Lajoie, Sisler, Terry and Speaker, not to mention Stan Musial. Power won't match up with other teams, though. Johnny Mize his 50+ HRs in an era where virtually nobody did, but other than that there's no real deep threat. Still, it should be a tough lineup to face, with lots of baserunners.

Bell, Cool Papa - 113
Brown, Mordecai - 41
Chance, Frank - 3
Garber, Gene - 2
Gaston, Cito - 2
Hamilton, Billy - 11
Henke, Tom - 1
Hornsby, Roger - 203
Joss, Addie - 41
LaJoie, Nap - 51
Mize, Johnny - 21
Musial, Stan - 155
Sisler, George - 41
Speaker, Tris - 111
Terry, Bill - 6
Vaughan, Arky - 51
Waddell, Rube - 31
Wagner, Billy - 14
Walsh, Ed - 41

[TLK]

My team as of now....


Last Name First Name Pos $
Aguilera Rick RP 6
Drysdale Don SP 87
Frisch Frankie 2B 4
Hernandez Willie RP 3
Hubbell Carl SP 38
Kaline Al OF 46
Lombardi Ernie C 21
Mathews Eddie 3B 105
McCarthy Tommy OF 1
Ott Mel OF 63
Stargell Willie 1B-OF 42
Stengel Casey MGR 104
Traynor Pie 3B-SS 30
Yount Robin SS 64

[Ramzavail]

Note - You have to change the link without the .xls extension. Then it will work.

Alomar, Roberto - 35 2b
Boggs, Wade - 25 3b
Cochrane, Mickey - 25 C
Dawson, Andre - 31 RF
Gooden, Dwight - 20 SP
Johnson, Davey - 10 Manager
Klein, Chuck - 25 LF Look at 1930
McGraw, Tug - 15 RP
Molitor, Paul - 41 3b/DH
Piazza, Mike - 61 C
Richard, JR - 15 SP
Simmons, Al - 41 CF

Not bad so far - Felt that I lost out on Rivera and Gossage at the last minute by Troy.

[vtbub]

Thanks for the tip :)

[Honolulu Blue]

The team so far:

CF Ashburn, Richie - 11
SP Blylven, Bert - 2
RF Bonds, Bobby - 12
OF Davis, Eric - 11
1B/3B Evans, Darrell - 11
LF Gibson, Kirk - 2
Mgr McCarthy, Joe - 26
2B Morgan, Joe - 76
SP Perry, Gaylord - 11
RF Robinson, Frank - 26
3B Schmidt, Mike - 102
C Simmons, Ted - 11
2B Whitaker, Lou - 11

No great bargains, but getting two pitchers who combined for 600 or so wins for 13 points makes me happy.

Obviously I'm short a few pitchers, but I wouldn't mind putting this team on the field against anyone. I have Bill James' favorite manager (McCarthy), his #1 2nd baseman (Morgan), and his #1 3rd baseman (Schmidt). The other guys aren't too bad either; you can look them up in the usual places.

Anyway, I have lots of points to invest in the next round, so let's see if I can't make this team a little bit better...

P.S. Maybe for a project I'll put these teams into Diamond Mind or OOTP and see what the results would be.

(Edited to note that Chubby has Sparky Lyle instead of me. Oh well, life goes on...)

[TLK]

The team so far:

P.S. Maybe for a project I'll put these teams into Diamond Mind or OOTP and see what the results would be.

I was wondering if that would be possible..... a round-robin or even a single-elimination tournament would make for a good read.....

[Bearcat729]

I was wondering if that would be possible..... a round-robin or even a single-elimination tournament would make for a good read.....


I was thinking about using whatif sports sim matchup if it's working

[Vince]

Ok, here's the team so far:

C - Johnny Bench, 86
2B - Craig Biggio, 11
3B - Frank 'Home Run' Baker, 81
SS - Ozzie Smith, 66
SP - Sandy Koufax, 126
RP - Rollie Fingers, 39
RP - John Wetteland, 1
M - Tony LaRussa, 21

Total - 8 players, 431 points.
Left - 18 players, 569 points.

Pretty happy with my results...I'm surprised I didn't have many other bids to compete with for Bench, Baker and Fingers. Bench is the best catcher of all time, in my opinion, and in a 'thin' position, I'm glad I could grab a good one. Biggio was an amazing second baseman for a long, long time, and I figured he'd go for cheap. Frank Baker was an amazing combination of power and speed, and one of the best 3B ever. The Wizard of Oz is one of the best, if not the best, glovemen ever, and at a position like SS, I'm adamant about having good D. Koufax is one of my top 5 SPs of all time, and will be a nice start to the rotation...though I must say I'm a little disappointed he's the only SP I got. Fingers and Wetteland are a great bullpen pair, and I put in a chump bid for Gagne but was outbid. Fingers was the '81 MVP and Cy Young, and Wetteland is only one slot behind him on the All-Time Saves list. Both sport career ERA's under 3.00 (2.90, 2.93) and were great relievers.

LaRussa is a 4-time manager of the year, and has 2009 career wins. Not too shabby...

Really upset I missed on...
Will Clark (I bid 1, he went for 10)
Rickey Henderson (I bid 76, he went for 81)
Willie McCovey (I bid 61, went for 75)

I was also one minor change as I turned in my sheet away from getting old Hoss Radbourn for 6 measley points. Nice one, Bishop.

[Booj]

C- Gary Carter - 52
1B- Andres Galarraga - 1
3B- Tim Wallach - 1
SS- Cal Ripken, Jr. - 31
CF- Andruw Jones - 12
RF- Tony Gwynn - 97

SP1- Nolan Ryan - 100
SP2- Bob Gibson - 150
SP3- Greg Maddux - 100
SP4- Roy Halladay - 1

RP- Eric Gagne - 26
RP- Lee Smith - 25
RP- Dan Quisenberry - 100

TOTAL: 13 players, 696 points

TO GO: 12 players, 1 manager, 304 points.

==========

My assessment is that I have one of, if not the best pitching staffs so far. 3 hall of famers, along with Halladay who is a cy young award winner, and 3 very good relief aces. My offence is suspect at 1B and 3B, but Galarraga and Wallach are just good backups. Carter is easily a top-10 catcher of all time, so to have him as a catcher is great, and any lineup with Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr can't be too bad either. Andruw Jones' defence is also a great asset to the team.

[Suicane75]

I am clearly in big trouble, almost everyone I got was meant to be a backup on my team. I went with low offers on about 15 players and then targeted 11 guys with big money and i failed miserably, only Eck, Rose and Carlton came thru. I do however think that Harimoto is the steal of the draft, he is pretty much considered the best Japanese player ever, had power, speed and could hit for average.


1B- Cecil Fielder 1
2B- Pete Rose 77
SS- Pee Wee Reese 3
3B-
LF- Vince Coleman 1
CF- Isao Harimoto 1
RF-
SP 1- Steve Carlton 77
SP 2-
SP 3-
SP 4-
SP 5-
LH- Randy Myers 3
LH-
RH-
RH-
CL- Dennis Eckersley 67

MANAGER- Jim Fregosi 1

[Maple Leafs]

3B - Frank 'Home Run' Baker, 81

Baker was an amazing combination of power and speed, and one of the best 3B ever. Very, very nice pickup. I was hoping I could sneak him under the radar.

[Vince]

Thanks...he, along with Rickey Henderson :mad: was one of my top two or three priorities. Now that I think about it though, I should have focused on pitching a little more.

[ISiddiqui]

Lou Gehrig for 40

:eek: Holy crap, what a steal! I thought he'd go for 100+, so I didn't wager on him... nice pickup.

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My team:

Will Clark (1B) - 10
Gehringer, Charlie (2B) - 60
George Brett (3B) - 80
Cronin, Joe (SS) - 30
Roberto Clemente (RF) - 60
Mantle, Mickey (CF) - 150
Minoso, Minnie (LF) - 20
Seaver, Tom (P) - 100
Palmer, Jim (P) - 30
Wilhelm, Hoyt (P) - 20

Luis Aparicio (SS) - 10

Total = 570 (430 points left)

11 players picked, 14 to go, and a manager

I got myself a pretty damned good OF (Clemente, Mantle, Minoso) with a definete 50's-60's feel to it. I got one of the best pitchers of all time (Seaver) and one of the best 3B (Brett). I also like my 2B (Gehringer) and my relief ace (Wilhelm). I just need to get a nice catcher, bulk up at 1st, and build a pitching staff!

[Chubby]

it still won't load for me no matter how many times i click the link... it worked when I first got the PM too...

[TLK]

I right-clicked on "save target as" and it saved it as an excel file.....

[Chubby]

i don't have excel however so that won't work... grrrr the page loaded last night too...

[TLK]

Here's a rundown of your guys and where they went.....


Player Owner Chubby
Aaron, Hank - 225 Comey Aaron, Hank - 1
Bonds, Barry - 200 Sooner333 Bonds, Barry - 1
Brock, Lou - 20 vtbub Brock, Lou - 5
Carlton, Steve - 77 Suicane75 Carlton, Steve - 75
Cobb, Ty - 65 Sooner333 Cobb, Ty - 1
DiMaggio, Joe - 110 Coffee Warlord DiMaggio, Joe - 1
Ford, Whitey - 40 Bearcat729 Ford, Whitey - 30
Gehrig, Lou - 40 TroyF Gehrig, Lou - 1
Hartnett, Gabby - 60 Chubby Hartnett, Gabby - 60
Hornsby, Roger - 203 Maple Leafs Hornsby, Roger - 75
Jackson, Joe - 105 Comey Jackson, Joe - 85
Jenkins, Fergie - 50 Chubby Jenkins, Fergie - 50
Kaat, Jim - 15 vtbub Kaat, Jim - 5
Lyle, Sparky - 20 Honolulu Blue Lyle, Sparky - 20
Mantle, Mickey - 150 ISiddiqui Mantle, Mickey - 1
Mays, Willie - 181 atz840 Mays, Willie - 1
McCovey, Willie - 75 Chubby McCovey, Willie - 75
Musial, Stan - 155 Maple Leafs Musial, Stan - 75
Robinson, Frank - 26 Honolulu Blue Robinson, Frank - 25
Rodriguez, Alex - 175 Bearcat729 Rodriguez, Alex - 85
Ruth, Babe - 274 ntndeacon Ruth, Babe - 111
Schmidt, Mike - 102 Honolulu Blue Schmidt, Mike - 75
Speaker, Tris - 111 Maple Leafs Speaker, Tris - 65
Stengel, Casey - 104 TheLionKing Stengel, Casey - 75
Williams, Ted - 152 BishopMVP Williams, Ted - 1
Young, Cy - 25 vtbub Young, Cy - 1

[Chubby]

Here's a rundown of your guys and where they went.....


Player Owner Chubby
Aaron, Hank - 225 Comey Aaron, Hank - 1
Bonds, Barry - 200 Sooner333 Bonds, Barry - 1
Brock, Lou - 20 vtbub Brock, Lou - 5
Carlton, Steve - 77 Suicane75 Carlton, Steve - 75
Cobb, Ty - 65 Sooner333 Cobb, Ty - 1
DiMaggio, Joe - 110 Coffee Warlord DiMaggio, Joe - 1
Ford, Whitey - 40 Bearcat729 Ford, Whitey - 30
Gehrig, Lou - 40 TroyF Gehrig, Lou - 1
Hartnett, Gabby - 60 Chubby Hartnett, Gabby - 60
Hornsby, Roger - 203 Maple Leafs Hornsby, Roger - 75
Jackson, Joe - 105 Comey Jackson, Joe - 85
Jenkins, Fergie - 50 Chubby Jenkins, Fergie - 50
Kaat, Jim - 15 vtbub Kaat, Jim - 5
Lyle, Sparky - 20 Honolulu Blue Lyle, Sparky - 20
Mantle, Mickey - 150 ISiddiqui Mantle, Mickey - 1
Mays, Willie - 181 atz840 Mays, Willie - 1
McCovey, Willie - 75 Chubby McCovey, Willie - 75
Musial, Stan - 155 Maple Leafs Musial, Stan - 75
Robinson, Frank - 26 Honolulu Blue Robinson, Frank - 25
Rodriguez, Alex - 175 Bearcat729 Rodriguez, Alex - 85
Ruth, Babe - 274 ntndeacon Ruth, Babe - 111
Schmidt, Mike - 102 Honolulu Blue Schmidt, Mike - 75
Speaker, Tris - 111 Maple Leafs Speaker, Tris - 65
Stengel, Casey - 104 TheLionKing Stengel, Casey - 75
Williams, Ted - 152 BishopMVP Williams, Ted - 1
Young, Cy - 25 vtbub Young, Cy - 1



thanks! woohoo 3 players lol. i knew i would suck at this cause it's an auction, oh well, more to spend in round 2.

[BishopMVP]

i don't have excel however so that won't work... grrrr the page loaded last night too...
The first time the link was uploaded it was a web page. I still haven't figured out how I did that, but the .xls file is working for almost everyone.

If you don't have excel, you probably can't load up the .xls file. Someone last night downloaded Excel 97 or something like that and it worked (Check the other thread). If you have Microsoft Works I could send you the file using that.

[Chubby]

thanks! woohoo 3 players lol. i knew i would suck at this cause it's an auction, oh well, more to spend in round 2.

SP Fergie Jenkins - 50
RP Sparky Lyle - 20
C Gabby Hartnett - 60
1B Willie McCovey - 75

[Chubby]

The first time the link was uploaded it was a web page. I still haven't figured out how I did that, but the .xls file is working for almost everyone.

If you don't have excel, you probably can't load up the .xls file. Someone last night downloaded Excel 97 or something like that and it worked (Check the other thread). If you have Microsoft Works I could send you the file using that.

i think you just have to load it up as an .htm or .html file

[BishopMVP]

i think you just have to load it up as an .htm or .html file
I've tried saving it as a wep page (.htm) and uploading it, but geocities keeps giving me a Page not Found message when I do. I think Geocities has issues with Excel, but if anybody with geocities can help me, that would be great.

[ntndeacon]

Here is my current team. a nice core.. I wish i had gottena few more! I really hate missing out on Greenberg by 5.
2b Rod Carew 63
SS Rabbit Maranville 3
RF George Herman Ruth 274
LF Joe Medwick 6
P Catfish Hunter 1
manager Walter Alston 6

[Vince]

Nice pick-up of Hunter for 1.

[BishopMVP]

In the event you bid on a player already claimed, no punitive action will be taken, but you will have that bid ignored for the round. This already happened once in Round 2, with someone bidding on Paul Waner. I will leave it up and in the team column, note 'Already Won.'

[BishopMVP]

SP Fergie Jenkins - 50
C Gabby Hartnett - 60
1B Willie McCovey - 75
HB pointed out that you actually got a 4th - Sparky Lyle at 20. Just a reminder for everyone to check your own team thoroughly.

[Chubby]

HB pointed out that you actually got a 4th - Sparky Lyle at 20. Just a reminder for everyone to check your own team thoroughly.


YAY!!!


except I can't check myself cause the page won't load :(

[oykib]

No one blew as much cash as me. I feel like George Steinbrenner.

But I have pretty much my whole staring lineup. I over spent to make sure that I got the two greatest Negro League position players ever. Then I got the third one in a steal. Barry Larkin, I figured, would be vastly underrated and I got him for cheap, too.

Dazzy Vance was the biggest strikeout pitcher of his era. I figured that I'd pair him with an outfield that could really cover some ground to. I thoought McGwire and Greenberg would go fairly cheap, but went Murray because I KNEW he would and I was blowing alot of money elsewhere.

Billy southworth for two when Jim fregosi went for one makes me feel really good about myself as well. Right now my squad is:

C - Josh Gibson - gold glove - quality catcher whose power is only compared to Babe Ruth; also was a high average hitter with great plate discipline.

1B - Eddie Murray - switch-hitting and a fine defender; Was Mr. Consistent-- every year was .300-30-100 in an era where those numbers were all top ten.

2B - Barry Larkin or Max Bishop - Larkin's really a SS, but he is more of an all-around player than Bishop. Bishop is a classic do anything to get on base and then score a billion runs type of leadoff hitter.

SS - 'Pop' Lloyd or Barry Larkin - The best Negro League infielder ever. Connie Mack said that if you put Lloyd and his contemporary Honus Wagner in a bag and picked one out randomly that you wouldn't go wrong either way. Also, one of two players that I planned on using as a manager if Southworth fell through.

3B - Shigeo Nagashima - Japan's "Mr. Baseball". Nagashima is the best-loved and most respected baseball man over here. Revered as the game's best all-around and clutch player, Nagashima played gold glove defense at third while staying one of the top hitters in the league throughout his career. He went on to become the Japanese game's best manager and general manager. He was pulled out of retirement to manage Japan's dream team for this year's Olympics.

LF- Tim Raines - Switch hitter and a speed demon with a little pop and an excellent OBP. Also a great left fielder to continue my defensive theme.

CF - Oscar Charleston - The consensus greatest Negro League player ever. John Mcgraw, among other notables, described him as the greatest he ever saw. Of course that was in a speed and defense era and Charleston had both and a good deal of power as well.

RF - Vladimir Guerrero - you know him

SP1 - Robin Roberts - Great pitcher who was the classic crafty veteran type. One of the great fastballs of his era, but not a strikeout pitcher. The best innings eater relative to era in MLB history.

SP2 - Masaichi Kaneda - lefty; His numbers ae amazing. I wasn't going to reach that far into the past with the NPB. But his numbers are freakish. They're like looking at Honus Wagner's stat lines. Pitched 370+ innings a year while striking out 300+ guys. Holds every significant career pitching record in Japan and most of the single season ones as well.

SP3 - Dazzy Vance - the best strikeout pitcher from an era when no on e struck out. His k/9 relative to his league are amazing-- ERA+ is good, too.

Manager - Billy Southworth - In twelve years as a manager he was 1044 - 704, a career .593 winning percentage. He should be a Hall of Famer. He won four pennants and two world series. think an early version of Whitey Herzog or later version of John Mcgraw.

[Bearcat729]

2B - Barry Larkin or Max Bishop - Larkin's really a SS, but he is more of an all-around player than Bishop. Bishop is a classic do anything to get on base and then score a billion runs type of leadoff hitter.



Barry doesn't want to play anything but SS. Even if he can play another position. And while your at it you had better be ready to pay him more than he's worth to ride the pine 130 games a year.

[BishopMVP]

Relief - Mike Marshall - the most durable reliever in the books. He's the only great reliever whose career survived the late 70's. And he was used the hardest.
You didn't get Mike Marshall. Both you and TroyF bid 1 for him, resulting in a tie, which means he went back in the pool for Round 2.

[oykib]

You didn't get Mike Marshall. Both you and TroyF bid 1 for him, resulting in a tie, which means he went back in the pool for Round 2.

Ah, I missed that. Figures Troy'd do that to me. I gotta watch out for him.

[Honolulu Blue]

You didn't get Mike Marshall. Both you and TroyF bid 1 for him, resulting in a tie, which means he went back in the pool for Round 2.

I was confused about this. There are actually two Mike Marshalls who could be drafted - Mike Marshall the reliever (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marshmi01.shtml); and Mike Marshall, the OF/1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marshmi02.shtml).

I'm GUESSING that both wanted Mike the reliever, but I'm not certain of this.

I was wondering if that would be possible..... a round-robin or even a single-elimination tournament would make for a good read.....

Definitely possible, though there are some hurdles to overcome. Diamond Mind released a Greatest Players disk which should have most of the players that we'll be drafting (no Negro or Japanese League players). I'm starting to form some ideas of how to set up the league, the championship crowing process, how much interaction I'd like from you guys, etc.

I don't want to steal Bishop's thunder, so I'm going to keep it low key. More details to come when I'm good and ready.

[Maple Leafs]

Definitely possible, though there are some hurdles to overcome. Would that use a player's best season, or some sort of career average?

[Ramzavail]

Maybe do a 162 season average of all the players seasons

baseball reference has that.

[Honolulu Blue]

Would that use a player's best season, or some sort of career average?

More the latter than the former. The system that Diamond Mind uses is the average of the best consecutive years that add up to about 6000 plate appearances, and similar cutoffs for pitchers that I can't remember off hand. For most players it would be the middle 10 years or so of their career, though for some it might shift toward the beginning (e.g. Ernie Banks) or the end (e.g. Sandy Koufax).

I haven't seen the disk and the ratings yet, but that's how their Web site explains things.

[oykib]

Maybe do a 162 season average of all the players seasons

baseball reference has that.

That wouldn't work because it wouldn't take durability into account. Tere's a great article on this in The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract where he compares Carlton Fisk to Roy Campanella.

[BishopMVP]

I was confused about this. There are actually two Mike Marshalls who could be drafted - Mike Marshall the reliever (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marshmi01.shtml); and Mike Marshall, the OF/1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marshmi02.shtml).

I'm GUESSING that both wanted Mike the reliever, but I'm not certain of this.



Definitely possible, though there are some hurdles to overcome. Diamond Mind released a Greatest Players disk which should have most of the players that we'll be drafting (no Negro or Japanese League players). I'm starting to form some ideas of how to set up the league, the championship crowing process, how much interaction I'd like from you guys, etc.

I don't want to steal Bishop's thunder, so I'm going to keep it low key. More details to come when I'm good and ready.
I know at least 1 put P in with Marshall. If either wanted the OF/1B, let me know. I'd only heard of the relief pitcher before this.

Don't worry about stealing my thunder. Both my method and yours have issues to deal with. Yours doesn't take into account Negro and Japanese League Players and mine relies on the subjective judgments of people, so I think running both shouldn't take away from the other.

[Maple Leafs]

Bishop, have you given any thought to allowing a (very small and limited) trading window before the final judging/competition?

Some teams probably bid on, for example, multiple players at one position and wound up with too many. It might be interesting to see if teams would swap, say, Ruth for Koufax, that sort of thing.

Of course, it may also go against the idea of doing an auction in the first place. Just a thought.

[BishopMVP]

It entered my mind briefly, but I hadn't given it much thought. Any objections I would have would probably be more logistical than anything else, although I do want to avoid people stockpiling players at a specific position. Unless anyone objects, I don't think I'd have a problem, as long as you waited until rosters were full and made sure all trades were equal numbers of players.

Also, for voting purposes, here are the 4 regions I've broken teams into.

Northeast

BishopMVP
Chubby
Ramzavail
atz840
vtbub

Mideast

TheLionKing
ISiddiqui
Bearcat729
Coffee Warlord
Honolulu Blue

West

Chief Rum
Oykib
Sooner333
Vince
TroyF

Canada/Unknown

Maple Leafs
Booj
ntndeacon
Comey
Suicane75

[Vince]

Great, I get in the same division with Troy, Chief and 'I've already drafted my team' Oykib... :) Not only that, Sooner got McGwire for 1 and Cobb for 65...could be a tough division to win in.

[ISiddiqui]

Vince, all I can say is better you than me ;).

[BishopMVP]

Great, I get in the same division with Troy, Chief and 'I've already drafted my team' Oykib... :) Not only that, Sooner got McGwire for 1 and Cobb for 65...could be a tough division to win in.
I don't think anyone will be happy with their division. I thought I did well drafting my team, then I look around and go "Oh - his looks good" "That one is solid too" "Not many players, but a lot of potential there" "Uh oh, that team looks even better than the others"

You get the idea.

[Vince]

Yeah, I was definitely being fecetious. It's going to be tough to get a team through into the second round of play-offs.

[Honolulu Blue]

Don't worry about stealing my thunder. Both my method and yours have issues to deal with. Yours doesn't take into account Negro and Japanese League Players and mine relies on the subjective judgments of people, so I think running both shouldn't take away from the other.

Thank you for your blessing.

Actually, there are several ways to account for the missing players:

1) Not include them, at all. This is obviously fair. :D
2) Use the most comparable player. For example, Pop Lloyd was known as "The Black Honus Wagner." Well, it's a simple matter to clone Mr. Wagner, change a few of the vitals, and call him Mr. Lloyd.
3) Use a comparable player of the same price.
4) Use the best, most similar player not on a team.

This is one of many things we'll have to decide on at the appropriate time.

[oykib]

Yeah, I was definitely being fecetious. It's going to be tough to get a team through into the second round of play-offs.

In the voting one, it's all gonna come down to stumping. Hasn't everyone always wanted to be a politician? ;)

[oykib]

Dola--

That damned TroyF...

He took Jackie from me and he had to put in that tieing bid on Mike Marshall. I was sure that I could get him in under the radar.

[ntndeacon]

Ohh, the second round of the auction is almost over. Heres to me getting more than 6 new folks.(20 new people would be preferred)

[vtbub]

Brock, Lou - 20 vtbub
Fisk, Carlton - 35 vtbub
Garciaparra, Nomar - 5 vtbub
Kaat, Jim - 15 vtbub
McCarver, Tim - 1 vtbub
Puckett, Kirby - 30 vtbub
Remy, Jerry - 5 vtbub
Rice, Jim - 30 vtbub
Sutter, Bruce - 50 vtbub
Torre, Joe - 75 vtbub
Trammell, Alan - 10 vtbub
Yastrzemski, Carl - 15 vtbub
Young, Cy - 25 vtbub

[BishopMVP]

Just an update. I have bids from (in bold)

East

BishopMVP
Chubby
Ramzavail
atz840
vtbub

Mideast

TheLionKing
ISiddiqui
Bearcat729
Coffee Warlord
Honolulu Blue

West

Chief Rum
Oykib
Sooner333
Vince
TroyF

Canada/Unknown

Maple Leafs
Booj
Comey
Suicane75
ntndeacon (sorry, cut it off by accident)<!-- / message --><!-- / message --><!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

[ISiddiqui]

Chief, Vince, and Troy... get 'em in :D.

[Vince]

Sorry guys :)

I'm working on it as we speak (this is tougher than it looks), so I should have mine in within the hour.

[Chief Rum]

I got my guys. I am just assigning points and then alphabetizing. Be with you in 15 minutes.

CR

[ISiddiqui]

As long as Bishop is still asleep, I'm sure you'll be safe ;).l

[BishopMVP]

As long as Bishop is still asleep, I'm sure you'll be safe ;).l
Sleep? :confused:

I'd say I'll post them around either 11am or 3pm tomorrow, unless I get them all before then. Vince will be fine, TroyF I haven't heard from, and I'm unsure if Chubby will be playing the rest since he can't access the site.

[BishopMVP]

Chubby is out. I think instead of putting up his players for re-auction, they will be taken out of the bidding. It's only 4, and no one particularly great, so any loss there doesn't make up for the mid-stream alteration of the bidding we would have to do.

[Vince]

Ok, sorry it took so long. PM-ing Bishop as we speak. This is getting tough...I have a feeling if you get screwed in this round, you're in deep trouble...

[Suicane75]

I'm thinking that maybe if there is enough interest when we get thru the auction we should try a regular draft, just reading the football thread it seems that alot more immersion is happening over there that we don't have, mainly because alot of what were doing depends on luck. Of course once the teams are all full maybe it'll be different but it just feels kind of sterile this way.

[Chubby]

sry, I had to drop. 2nd round would be hard enough, much less later rounds trying to figure out who has been picked without being able to get at the site :(

[Coffee Warlord]

It's those damn relief pitchers that make this reallllly hard to do. :)

[Vince]

I don't know...I think it's the complete ignorance I have for how you all think of some of the guys that I highly regard. It's fun though :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Doing this made me come to the conclusion I know a helluva lot less about baseball than I thought I did.

[Huckleberry]

Shhh. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wardjo01.shtml) ;)

Along with the Babe, the only other guy to give you a Hall of Fame hitter as well as a very effective pitcher. Although his HoF credentials are debatable.

[Maple Leafs]

Shhh. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wardjo01.shtml) ;)

Along with the Babe, the only other guy to give you a Hall of Fame hitter as well as a very effective pitcher. Although his HoF credentials are debatable.Cool Pappa Bell was considered one of the great knucleballers of his era.