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Csmith
02-18-2004, 08:27 AM
When playing a winger offensive, I know he should have a solid or higher winger skill but does he need a certain level of scoring ability as well or is it just the winger skill that he needs?

FrogMan
02-18-2004, 08:28 AM
no need for scoring at all, only winger skill matters for a winger, not matter what special order you give him...

Scoring matters only for forward.

FM

Desnudo
02-18-2004, 11:09 AM
I think you should clarify that a little Froggie. Winger skill only matters for the winger's offensive ability; scoring doesn't matter. Their playmaking skill adds to the midfield and their defensive skill adds to the left or right defensive ratings. Stamina is important to overall performance, especially in the second half.

No matter what order you give a winger, the other skills mentioned above all still matter. Setting a winger to offensive will emphasize his winger skill, but his defense and midfield skills will still be factored into the ratings.

The Afoci
02-18-2004, 11:13 AM
Offensive---more winger and passing, less defense, same PM.
Defensive----Less winger and passing, more defense, same PM.
Towards Middle---Less winger, passing and defense, more PM and Stamina.

FrogMan
02-18-2004, 11:24 AM
well, he asked if a winger needed scoring, he never mentionned anything about playmaking... so no need of scoring was my answer, play him offensive, defensive or toward middle, a winger will never need scoring... Yes, playmaking will help him contribute to your midfield, but he will never need scoring...

Offensive---more winger and passing, less defense, same PM.
Defensive----Less winger and passing, more defense, same PM.
Towards Middle---Less winger, passing and defense, more PM and Stamina.
This is not entirely accurate, especially the "more passing/less passing part"... From the rule book:
Individual orders <TABLE><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left>Position</TD><TD align=left>Tactics</TD><TD align=left>Effect</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left>Wing back</TD><TD align=left>Offensive</TD><TD>More Winger, an ounce of playmaking, less Defending</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left>Defensive</TD><TD>More Defending, less Winger</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left>Centre</TD><TD>More Defending to the middle, less Defending to the side, less Winger </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left>Central defender</TD><TD align=left>Offensive</TD><TD>A certain amount of Midfield, less Defending</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left>Go wide</TD><TD>Less Defending to the middle, more Defending to the side, a certain amount of Winger</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left>Winger</TD><TD align=left>Offensive</TD><TD>More Winger, less Defending</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left>Defensive</TD><TD>Less Winger, more Defending</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left>Centre</TD><TD>More Midfield, less winger, less defense </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

the only this that an offensive order affects is "more winger, less defending"...

FM

Desnudo
02-18-2004, 11:56 AM
no need for scoring at all, only winger skill matters for a winger, not matter what special order you give him...

Scoring matters only for forward.

FM

Yes, but you said it like winger skill only matters no matter what special order you give him. That seems to imply that nothing else matters.

FrogMan
02-18-2004, 12:01 PM
Yes, but you said it like winger skill only matters no matter what special order you give him. That seems to imply that nothing else matters.
rereading it, yeah, maybe you could read it like that. I meant of the two, between scoring and winger... sorry for the confusion, not enough sleep lately... ;)

FM

Raven Hawk
02-18-2004, 01:37 PM
Don't fall prey to the "secondaries don't matter" movement.

Secondary skills are very important. They are not necessary, but they are important. Don't go overboard paying for them, but make sure you get some.

daedalus
02-18-2004, 03:46 PM
Don't fall prey to the "secondaries don't matter" movement.

Secondary skills are very important. They are not necessary, but they are important. Don't go overboard paying for them, but make sure you get some.I pretty much agree with what Raven Hawk said. The only minor point I'd nitpick with is the overpaying for secondaries part - I'd make an exception for trainees. In the long run, having good secondaries in your trainees makes too much sense to save money on. This is your one reliable money maker, the only one you have any real control over - gate is dependent on your current success and weather, youth pull depends on luck. However, with your other players, I definitely agree with Raven Hawk. Try to get the best secondaries you can but don't go overboard and make your team broke over them.

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