Puresim 2004.....Shaun not with .400 anymore

[sabotai]

I checked my email and saw an email with the title Puresim 2004. Not Total Pro Baseball.

Inside, it states that Shaun has left .400 because he didn't feel that with his full time job, he could give .400 the attention and time they deserved. So Shaun's going solo again. And he said that Puresim 2004 should be released within the next 2-4 weeks.

[ScottVib]

While we're disappointed that Shaun has chosen to leave the company, we wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors, and Puresim 2004 really does look pretty good.

[Shaun Sullivan]

First I'd like to thank .400 for being so patient with a guy who has too many real world demands.. .400, and especially Joe Stallings, were great to work with.

Here is the email I sent tonight: http://www.puresim.com/news.html

Regards,
Shaun

[FBPro]

Shaun,

Good luck and all the best.

[PSUColonel1]

Who is willing to bet that when it's all said and done, Pure Sim ends up being the better single player mode game over OOTP6?

[Tigercat]

You call this a software divorce?! I want name calling, I want backstabbing, ANYTHING! Maybe someone needs to create a software company sim, where random disagreements can turn into bloody deathmatches between companies and their employees.

[druez]

Who is willing to bet that when it's all said and done, Pure Sim ends up being the better single player mode game over OOTP6?

I'll take that bet!

[Young Drachma]

I've never played it. What are the major differences vs. OOTP?

[druez]

PSPN is one big difference that Pure Sim has which is nice and the PBP has a nice graphic that shows you where the ball is hit I think. But in my opinion that is about it.

Puresim, doesn't have multiple minor leagues, he is taking out scouts from his game and the AI is pretty weak for computer clubs. Doesn't have the depth that OOTP has, but does have a nice feel to it.

Its like a watered down version of OOTP, but a bit more flair in terms of presentation of your stats.

Oh and puresim is probably the slowest game I've ever played when simming seasons.

[sabotai]

I always had more fun playing Puresim than I did with OOTP, but I know I'm in the minority there. I don't need to sim 10 seasons in an hour, so I guess that's why. :)

I have found that the stats for Puresim "mean more" and are more realistic than in OOTP. Maybe OOTP6's new engine will fix that.

I would definatly not consider Puresim just a watered down version of OOTP.

[druez]

we are all entitled to our opinion. Puresim is a good game also, to me it didn't have the depth or realism I need in a baseball sim. The no multiple minor leagues is a prime example.

[sabotai]

we are all entitled to our opinion.

Did I state otherwise?

[druez]

Did I state otherwise?

Nope, wasn't trying to insult you or claim otherwise. Just an opening line for my statement :)

[Draft Dodger]

never played PS before, but this looks interesting.

(btw, is it too early to start the Jim-Gindin-to-400-Studios-to-make-a-baseball-sim rumors?) :)

[Honolulu Blue]

(btw, is it too early to start the Jim-Gindin-to-400-Studios-to-make-a-baseball-sim rumors?) :)

Yes. Especially when Jim is in talks with SI Games to make American Football Manager '06. :D

[MizzouRah]

Definitly looks interesting. Also looks like .400 studios helped Shawn with some screens... wonder why he left?


Todd

[ice4277]

Yes. Especially when Jim is in talks with SI Games to make American Football Manager '06. :D
Thinking of that leaves me with a moist, tingly feeling.

[Subby]

Stallings is a great interface designer...you can really see his stamp on those screen shots...

[Joe Stallings]

(Breaking my 6 month FOF silence) :eek:

Thanks Subby, that really means a lot.

[GrantDawg]

Yes. Especially when Jim is in talks with SI Games to make American Football Manager '06. :D
To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
And to run where
the brave dare not go
To right the unrightable wrong
And to love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star
This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march,
march into hell
For that heavenly cause
And I know
If I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart
Will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest
And the world will be
better for this
That one man, scorned
and covered with scars,
Still strove with his last
ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable,
the unreachable,
The unreachable star
And I'll always dream
The impossible dream
Yes, and I'll reach
The unreachable star

[GrantDawg]

(Breaking my 6 month FOF silence) :eek:

Thanks Subby, that really means a lot.
Shut up. you.



:p

[Ben E Lou]

http://www.puresim.com/images/new.gifImproved Usability Added handy right-click menu on player links that allows single click access to many screens and functions that previously required a visit to the player card. No more click fests for demoting/promoting, setting player usage hints etc...Left-clicking on a player takes you to his player card, of course, but have right-clicking give the gamer a windows-style drop-down menu with each of the following options:

cut
renegotiate
make inactive
make active (either this or "make inactive" would be greyed out of course)
place on IR (for football, disabled list for baseball, whatever it is called for basketball if there is such a thing)
set as starter (this might have to be limited to making him a starter at his primary position..but it would help a lot in any game. He becomes the starter, and whoever was listed as starter becomes the #1 backup, and everyone else drops down a slot on the depth chart if necessary)
Each of the drop-downs would either perform the function discussed, or (in the case of renegotiation, for example) take you to the screen that you need to perform that function.

Voila. There you have it. The gamer could then make the vast majority of the decisions that he needs to make from one place.Looks like SOMEBODY is listening! :D

[Galaril]

Is there any sound in this game ?I tried the demo for 2003 and there wasn't any sound just a computer generated voice.

[druez]

Stallings is a great interface designer...you can really see his stamp on those screen shots...


Sure can and I can see Top's or Fleer or whatever baseball card company he jacked all those baseball cards from. Can anyone say licensing infringement? Scarrrrrryyyyyyy.......... Nothing like posting screen shots of teams logo's and stuff for a product you are going to be selling huh? Nice Red Sox logo's.. I mean how good do you have to be at art and interface design, when you just steal stuff from the web?

But it does look nice, I will give you that.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Sure can and I can see Top's or Fleer or whatever baseball card company he jacked all those baseball cards from. Can anyone say licensing infringement? Scarrrrrryyyyyyy.......... Nothing like posting screen shots of teams logo's and stuff for a product you are going to be selling huh? Nice Red Sox logo's.. I mean how good do you have to be at art and interface design, when you just steal stuff from the web?

But it does look nice, I will give you that.

Ugh. ;)

[Joe Stallings]

Shaun can speak for himself, but I believe those are placeholders, which is common in software production. I doubt Shaun would actually release a game with real team logos without an MLB license.

Druez, given that your wife is an employee of .400 Software Studios, I find it odd that you would make a post like this. Is there some hidden agenda?

[Draft Dodger]

typical druez post - he loves to spew out garbage like this, rather his info is based on fact or some information he learned in his imaginary world.

I know he's the first person I would sign up to beta test my product...

[John Galt]

I also find it distressing that in all his attacks on this board and his defenses (and reviews) of .400, he never mentioned that his wife worked there (unless I missed it).

[ScottVib]

Jason's wife was not an employee of .400 until recently, to my knowledge Jason hasn't done any .400 related reviews since she was hired (TEW is the only game released since she was hired).

Secondly Jason does not speak for .400 Studios in any way, shape, or form.

[druez]

It seems odd that someone would send licensed images in screenshots to a very large mailing list and host them on a public site. Especially given the legal ramifications if they were just placeholders. That is all I'm bringing up? I can't host or link to any of this from our website, because then we would be violation at sportsology.net. We do alot of stuff with Tops and I'm sure they would like this any more then we do.

Regardless if its placeholder art or not its illegal that is all and I find it very strange that someone would post this.

As far as my wife working for .400 she didn't start untill feb 15th I believe. That is well after my dispute over FOF vs TPF. Which btw I already apologized in another thread for. I haven't mentioned it because its not relevant, I haven't done a review on one of their products since then and Joe you asked me not to talk about it?

[druez]

Secondly Jason does not speak for .400 Studios in any way, shape, or form.

Exactly, and btw my wife doesn't like how I argue with people any more then most of you do. :)

[John Galt]

Jason's wife was not an employee of .400 until recently, to my knowledge Jason hasn't done any .400 related reviews since she was hired (TEW is the only game released since she was hired).

Secondly Jason does not speak for .400 Studios in any way, shape, or form.

Fair enough. I would still find it questionable if he continues to review direct competitor's products without disclosure.

[Joe Stallings]

What about your site at http://www.serpentslair.org? Are we to assume you have permission from UbiSoft and Timegame Studios to use their licensed properties?

[Ben E Lou]

So we got Vibert, Stallings, Sullivan and Heinsohn in this thread with Jason K. raisin' a stink. Somebody call Reynolds, Gindin and Rahn---and make sure Wig gets invited too.


Where's that popcorn eatin' smiley when I need it??? Oh yeah, it is at that danged "CGI-limits reached" board...



In all seriousness, for the first time ever in my tenure as head honcho around here, I am sitting here clueless as to how I should handle this situation. If anyone wants to IM me with thoughts/suggestions, I'd appreciate it.

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[KWhit]

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
And to run where
the brave dare not go
To right the unrightable wrong
And to love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

Drama Geek.

[druez]

What about your site at http://www.serpentslair.org? Are we to assume you have permission from UbiSoft and Timegame Studios to use their licensed properties?


Yes I do! In fact, because we aren't selling anything they encourage its called a fan site Joe. Come on man you know better then that.

[DanGarion]

Sure can and I can see Top's or Fleer or whatever baseball card company he jacked all those baseball cards from. Can anyone say licensing infringement? Scarrrrrryyyyyyy.......... Nothing like posting screen shots of teams logo's and stuff for a product you are going to be selling huh? Nice Red Sox logo's.. I mean how good do you have to be at art and interface design, when you just steal stuff from the web?

But it does look nice, I will give you that.
Chill out...

[nfg22]

Yes I do! In fact, because we aren't selling anything they encourage its called a fan site Joe. Come on man you know better then that.

Im gunna have to say I agree with druez for once. I dont belive you should use logos and all that without permission for your own benefit and not the companys logo you are using. The site Druez has promotes all the games he is using logos from but in no way does the game that shaun is selling promite the red sox. It just uses the logo they have created and used without permission or consent(as far as I know for the permission part). Thats what the little R in a circle means :eek:

[wig]

Did somebody page me?

[nfg22]

Did somebody page me?

no wig pls leave thx. They mentioned your name but you are not needed, but I think someone down in the gas chamber was calling your name.

[Ben E Lou]

Did somebody page me?http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/images/smilies/popcorn.gif (http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/misc.php?action=getsmilies&s=#)







(CGI-Limits ok now...)

[Ksyrup]

I'm confused.

Or, maybe I just missed the class where we discussed the benefits of one's spouse insulting your boss/co-worker (whatever the employment situation is) in public.

[John Galt]

I'm confused.

Or, maybe I just missed the class where we discussed the benefits of one's spouse insulting your boss/co-worker (whatever the employment situation is) in public.

Haven't you learned anything from the St. Louis Rams?

[Ksyrup]

I think I have a clue as to who Brenda Warner is in this situation...

[DanGarion]

I've seen MANY of the games in this genre use graphics and names of REAL pro sports when they are showing pre-release versions of their game. So it's not like this is anything new.

[KWhit]

I think I have a clue as to who Brenda Warner is in this situation...
Heh heh.

[druez]

I've seen MANY of the games in this genre use graphics and names of REAL pro sports when they are showing pre-release versions of their game. So it's not like this is anything new.

I haven't, if they do its in violation. I mean come on. Lets say Jim takes his football game and uses all Art of stadiums and Logos and Players. Sends that out on his mailing list. Everyone who looks at the mailing list is going to think that game will come with those things!

[wig]

Why do you guys care if they use real logos during development?

[druez]

Shaun can speak for himself, but I believe those are placeholders, which is common in software production. I doubt Shaun would actually release a game with real team logos without an MLB license.

Druez, given that your wife is an employee of .400 Software Studios, I find it odd that you would make a post like this. Is there some hidden agenda?


Yes, Joe you got me. When you used our friendship and asked me to give HR FBCB a bad review and I refused. Then when you tried and get me to violate my NDA about OOTP 6.0. Those things Joe are what made me point out what a theif and a liar you are. That is when our friendship ended and as you call it my hidden agenda begins. I made that mistake letting you cloud my judgement on FOF, but I won't do it again.

I'm a grown man and admitted I was wrong with FOF and Jim for getting into arguments about that.

Hey puresim will probably be great, but when you promote the game with all stolen art its kind of hard to judge what the product will actually be like isn't it?

[wig]

Damn! someone got pawned here!

I'm not sure who, though.

[John Galt]

*steps away from table before someone draws a gun*

[hoosierdude]

This is getting interesting......

[wig]

I think druez pawned himself.

:(

[Subby]

I am going to have to seriously question any company that would hire a woman that makes such poor life decisions...

[Draft Dodger]

Yes, Joe you got me. When you used our friendship and asked me to give HR FBCB a bad review and I refused. Then when you tried and get me to violate my NDA about OOTP 6.0. Those things Joe are what made me point out what a theif and a liar you are. That is when our friendship ended and as you call it my hidden agenda begins. I made that mistake letting you cloud my judgement on FOF, but I won't do it again.

I'm a grown man and admitted I was wrong with FOF and Jim for getting into arguments about that.

Hey puresim will probably be great, but when you promote the game with all stolen art its kind of hard to judge what the product will actually be like isn't it?

so, I wasn't around back then - is this dickhead's backstabbing anything on par with Dave Dial?

[MizzouRah]

Yes, Joe you got me. When you used our friendship and asked me to give HR FBCB a bad review and I refused. Then when you tried and get me to violate my NDA about OOTP 6.0. Those things Joe are what made me point out what a theif and a liar you are. That is when our friendship ended and as you call it my hidden agenda begins. I made that mistake letting you cloud my judgement on FOF, but I won't do it again.

I'm a grown man and admitted I was wrong with FOF and Jim for getting into arguments about that.

Hey puresim will probably be great, but when you promote the game with all stolen art its kind of hard to judge what the product will actually be like isn't it?

Holy smokes! :eek:


Todd

[Subby]

Damn! someone got pawned here!

I'm not sure who, though.I think you have been pwned by your inability to master l337-speak.

[Joe Stallings]

I know what Mr. K's hidden agenda is, and my attorney will be discussing it with him and some others in the very near future. :)

[Ksyrup]

This is getting close to that topic I posted about the most uncomfortable thread I've ever seen. In this case, however, I'm sure there's no acting involved.

In any case, the Good Friday Penis story is the champ of uncomfortable threads... *shudders*

[John Galt]

I think druez pawned himself.

:(

I think, just as in real life, Brenda has pwned Kurt.

[Ksyrup]

I am going to have to seriously question any company that would hire a woman that makes such poor life decisions...
:D

[John Galt]

I know what Mr. K's hidden agenda is, and my attorney will be discussing it with him and some others in the very near future. :)

Am I the only one here who finds the smiley face at the end to be kind of creepy (and out of place)?

[wig]

I know what Mr. K's hidden agenda is, and my attorney will be discussing it with him and some others in the very near future. :)

I wondered how long it would take for Derek Smart to make an appearance.

:)

[Celeval]

Drama Geek.Damn straight.

[John Galt]

23 people watching, but no one is posting. Rubberneckers!

[Comey]

Sigh....

Good luck, Shaun. Sucks your thread had to go this route.


(My sighs do not represent the sighs of .400 Software Studios, although they could very well do that. This one is purely a product of JohnCo Enterprises, although it is freesighware.)

[hoosierdude]

Wow. Coming back online to FOFC in six months, and Joe is already making waves. This should get VERY interesting. Since Joe has no baseball game to promote, I guess he has more time on his hands.

Too bad he didn't spend the time working his magic on Total Extreme Warfare. That game deserved the Joe touch. If I was Adam Ryland I would be very upset indeed. I have my popcorn, and I am enjoying watching this story as it develops.

[druez]

I know what Mr. K's hidden agenda is, and my attorney will be discussing it with him and some others in the very near future. :)

Not sure what you are talking about Joe? You can't sue me for your stealing of art, or simply stating truth? I mean you can try but it will be a bit fun. If you want your attorney to talk to me about you stealing art I'll be happy to! If you want your attorney to talk to me about you trying to get me to give competitors bad reviews I'll be happy to.

Are you going to deny asking me to give Brian a bad review? Are you saying you didn't ask me to rip the game? Are you denying that you pestered me constantly about information about OOTP 6.0?

Yes, Its embarassing to admit that I indeed had an ethicly slip a while back when dealing with Jim and FOF and allowed you to influence and post things that you wanted to say to rip the comepetion. Yes, I was stupid and used by you to further your means. Go ahead tell your attorney that. You guys at FOF want to rip me for it go ahead, but you know what? I've screwded up before and I learn from my mistakes. I've written Skydog and apologized a while back for what I did.

I remember Yabannci telling me that he liked my reivews, but didn't like what I said about FOF after I gave it a good review. I argued with him, but in retrospect he was right. My judgement was clouded and I shouldn't of done that. But, other then that slipup "which I think we all have done once in our lives" I've stayed true to the course.

Anyway, you know my number have your attorney call me, I'll be happy to inform him of all the things you've done, said to me and asked me to do....

[Comey]

I do have one question about this whole thing.

I'm looking at the currently active users viewing this very thread, and see Markus Heinsohn's name.

So...when's OOTP coming out?! ;)

[Samdari]

In all seriousness, for the first time ever in my tenure as head honcho around here, I am sitting here clueless as to how I should handle this situation. If anyone wants to IM me with thoughts/suggestions, I'd appreciate it.

Well, Ben, I am not sure this situation needs handling. If one of the most visible companies in the text sim genre wants to have this conversation on a public board, we should just eat the popcorn. Many discussions with personal overtones have gone further with the participants simply warned about civility standards.

Besides, I imagine after druez's last post, this conversation has gone phone :)

EDIT: Besides, I want to watch this train wreck.

[wig]

Can someone post a short recap of what this drama is all about?

I want to get involved and take sides, but I can't seem to figure out the point.

:(

[Samdari]

druez is trying to get his wife fired

[druez]

Wig here is a summary from what I understand.

Shaun left .400 for whatever reason.

He sent out a newsletter, with graphics for baseball cards taken from the web and team art.

Joe took credit for a great interface.

I called him on it and said it isn't that hard when all the art is stolen.

He brought up my wife and said I had an agenda.

I said I did and mentioned, the FOF vs TPF problem where I was an ass on his behalf. Then I mentioned how he wanted me to rip heaveyreighns game and I wouldn't, then he wanted me to sell out Markus and OOTP 6.0. Then is when I said enough is enough. So, I called him on his bullshit.

[Subby]

Interface is more than just pretty graphics you stupid git.

[General Mike]

Wow

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[wig]

Can someone design or steal a better thumbs-up icon for the forum?

[druez]

Interface is more than just pretty graphics you stupid git.


Sure Subby I agree with you 100%. But a screen shot is no judge of the usability of an interface. The only way you can judge an interface and its usefullness is to well use it!

So I'm basing my comments on the actual artwork in which we were shown. I can't judge the usefulness of the interface untill I play it.

[Ben E Lou]

OK. Time for what I assume will be an unpopular decision, but this has gone far enough (too far, actually). Thread closed.