View Full Version : Any interest in a historical league?
JeeberD
06-30-2004, 10:55 PM
I would love to be involved in an FOFC historical league using the historical files located at Senator's FOF Historical Project (http://www.cflfb.com/FOF/fof.htm) site. We could start with the 1970 roster file and work our way forward from there. Are there any other people out there that think this sort of league would be extremely cool?
j25352857
06-30-2004, 11:00 PM
this was brought up in my league during the past week, and there was some interest for a league like this
sachmo71
07-01-2004, 09:03 AM
i would be interested.
fantastic flying froggies
07-01-2004, 09:09 AM
I might be, depending on time availability.
I'm VERY tempted, Senator and I actually mentioned the possibility back when FOF2k4 was released...
Senator
07-01-2004, 01:16 PM
:)
JeeberD
07-01-2004, 03:20 PM
Excellent, I'm glad to hear that there are others out there who would like to do this. So what would be the next step into making this a reality?
sachmo71
07-01-2004, 10:19 PM
A commish?
JeeberD
07-02-2004, 12:19 AM
Yup, that would probably help. You volunteering for the job, Sach? :D
fantastic flying froggies
07-02-2004, 08:06 AM
Yup, that would probably help. You volunteering for the job, Sach? :D
Well Jeeb, you did start this thread, didn't you ? I think that instantly qualifies you as a volunteer... :D
sachmo71
07-02-2004, 01:27 PM
I can't and won't run this league. It would be a guaranteed failure. I don't have the time. Sorry.
Vince
07-02-2004, 02:09 PM
I'd be interested, like triple F said, based upon time constraints. In four weeks, I'm done with school forever, so I should have LOTS of time :)
And no, I don't get a real-life job until next year, so yes, I will indeed have LOTS of free time :)
JeeberD
07-02-2004, 03:14 PM
The problem I have with running the league is that I have very little technical knowledge when it comes to computers and programs, and I haven't the foggiest idea how to set up a website and message board. Maybe I should post something about this on the main board for those who may not come look here?
sachmo71
07-02-2004, 03:19 PM
The commish doesn't necessarily have to run the website. Maybe someone in the league would be interested in doing the web design.
I think a quick message in general discussion would be a nice idea, since this league would be so unique.
Passacaglia
07-02-2004, 03:35 PM
I'd be interested.
Passacaglia
07-02-2004, 03:43 PM
Actually, I have a friend interested as well.
I would be that friend... :)
Sounds like great fun! I'd like to lay claim to the Jets!
Also...I'm a web developer on the side, so I could maintain a basic informational site for the league. I'd have to look into setting up a message board/chat before I make promises on that end.
- Thul
Actually, I have a friend interested as well.
sachmo71
07-02-2004, 03:51 PM
LET IT BE KNOWN...
I WANT TO BE THE GOSH DARN COWBOYS!!!
Passacaglia
07-02-2004, 04:34 PM
All right, I'm heading out for the weekend. I'm definitely interested, though -- any team is fine. I'll be back Tuesday.
Vince
07-02-2004, 05:09 PM
As long as we're laying claim...
...the 49ers are mine :)
I wouldn't mind being the commish if I have time...but I won't be able to answer the question of 'will I have enough time' until August at the earliest, and I'd think we want to start before then.
duckman
07-02-2004, 06:11 PM
I like to be the Saints!
Jesse_Ewiak
07-02-2004, 07:35 PM
Here's an sort of out there idea...
...actually having the "right" to 1 or 2 Franchise Player's per Decade. What does that mean? Basically, for each decade each team gets to pick one player thats associated with that team. (Example: 1980's 49ers: Jerry Rice).
But, in order to draft them, you have to either have a high enough pick to grab them yourself _or_ trade for the pick. Which means it will cost you. Also, you'd be taking the risk because maybe Joe Montana in "our" world is a flop. Just a idea, because thr NFL of 1970 is not that different from 2004 aside from eight new teams and a bit of divisional reorganziing.
- Jesse
RendeR
07-02-2004, 09:31 PM
I would be willing to be an assistant-commish in charge of the website. I've in a number of leagues already and have suggested using the historical files in one of those leagues. some examples of my work are below:
http://mlf.majecc.net
http://mlf.majecc.net/sfl
http://bengals.majecc.net
http://maniax.majecc.net
http://renegades.majecc.net
http://diesel.majecc.net
whats one more league among addicts? =)
Re: Finding a "commish", etc...
It sounds like there are at least two people willing to pitch in on a league website (forums aside). We could run the league under a multi-team committee who would be in charge of setting rules, helping run the drafts, handle disputes, etc.
Perhaps that would take some pressure off whomever is the commish. That person would just have to set the schedules and run the stages.
If people don't mind a 1st-time commish, I'd be willing to volunteer.
- Thul
I would love to be involved in an FOFC historical league using the historical files located at Senator's FOF Historical Project (http://www.cflfb.com/FOF/fof.htm) site. We could start with the 1970 roster file and work our way forward from there. Are there any other people out there that think this sort of league would be extremely cool?
JeeberD
07-02-2004, 10:48 PM
LET IT BE KNOWN...
I WANT TO BE THE GOSH DARN COWBOYS!!!
Ahem. As the mofo whose idea it was to start this league I think I should have right of first refusal on the glorious Dallas Cowboys franchise... ;)
Of course, if it's a huge deal I suppose that I could take the stinkin' Broncos instead.
It sounds like there are at least two people willing to pitch in on a league website (forums aside). We could run the league under a multi-team committee who would be in charge of setting rules, helping run the drafts, handle disputes, etc.
That sounds like a good idea to me. I'll volunteer my services so that we can get this sucker off the ground. So does a committee of Thul, Vince, Render, and myself sound OK? Is there anyone else who would like to help out?
JeeberD
07-02-2004, 10:58 PM
Dola-
The interested parties so far are:
JeeberD
j25352857
Sachmo
fff
3ric
Senator
Vince
Passacaglia
Thul
duckman
Jesse_Ewiak
RendeR
12 folks ain't a bad start. Hopefully we'll get some more folks in here after the holiday weekend...
We'd probably need at least one more person on a "commish" committee to break ties when voting on rules, or if there are any league disputes. Five or Seven teams should do it.
I've downloaded McKerney's Throwback Logos and all the draft files, and as a late comer to the FOF Historical Project site, I must say impressive work !
Also, we still need to resolve forum hosting...unless people want to just start in the FOF Dynasty forum here and move later when/if we find a perm home.?
- Thul
That sounds like a good idea to me. I'll volunteer my services so that we can get this sucker off the ground. So does a committee of Thul, Vince, Render, and myself sound OK? Is there anyone else who would like to help out?
JeeberD
07-02-2004, 11:16 PM
If we need one more "co-commish" I would hope that 3ric or Senator might be willing to be that person. They both know the historical files inside-out and also have plenty of multiplayer league experience...
The_herd
07-02-2004, 11:28 PM
You can put me down as interested.
I'm heading out on vacation for a week, otherwise I'd be happy to help with anything. You might want to ping Nilodor about this league, he did more than half of the draftfiles. Anyone who's posted on Senator's site could be a potential owner, I guess.
I would claim the Buccaneers, do I HAVE to take the best player of the decade??????
:p
fantastic flying froggies
07-03-2004, 07:41 AM
If we're at the 'laying claims' stage, I'd like the Giants. I would just love to draft LT and build my big D around him again...
Re: Player of the Decade idea
It's an interesting idea, but how would it be implemented fairly? We could say that when LT, Rice, etc. comes into the league, the Giants, 49'ers, etc. would need to sacrifice a 1st round pick that year to "claim" them, but is that enough and is that fair for a team who really needs that player to be competitive?
I mean the Giants pick that year could be extremely low. It also puts historically bad franchises (TB) in a real bind if they can never qualify for some of the greatest players of all time.
I'm personally looking forward to just playing with the array of great historical players and seeing them all in action against each other. Let the chips fall where they may once the league rocks into motion. If TB lucks out and gets Barry Sanders, that's not the end of the world to me. They earned him.
I just want to see Barry Sanders in action :)
- Thul
sachmo71
07-03-2004, 09:44 AM
Re: Player of the Decade idea
It's an interesting idea, but how would it be implemented fairly? We could say that when LT, Rice, etc. comes into the league, the Giants, 49'ers, etc. would need to sacrifice a 1st round pick that year to "claim" them, but is that enough and is that fair for a team who really needs that player to be competitive?
I mean the Giants pick that year could be extremely low. It also puts historically bad franchises (TB) in a real bind if they can never qualify for some of the greatest players of all time.
I'm personally looking forward to just playing with the array of great historical players and seeing them all in action against each other. Let the chips fall where they may once the league rocks into motion. If TB lucks out and gets Barry Sanders, that's not the end of the world to me. They earned him.
I just want to see Barry Sanders in action :)
- Thul
It's per decade, so it would be a chance that doesn't come about very often. Also, almost every team had at least one player good enough to warrant sacrificing their first round pick...at least I think so? :)
I like this rule, but it's a bit more of a headache for the commish.
Jeebs...about the cowboys, i would feel like a pretty big shit heel if I took them from you. It was your idea, after all. However, my alternate choice would be the Saints, and it appears that they have been claimed.
Now I don't know what to do. :(
Player/Team interest update
Proposed "Commish" Council:
JeeberD - Broncos/Cowboys?
RendeR - Seattle
Thul - Jets
Vince - 49ers
3ric/Senator/Nilodor?
Players Interested:
Sachmo - Cowboys?
duckman - Saints
GoT - Bucs
Fantastic Flying Froggies - Giants
j25352857
fff
3ric
Senator
Passacaglia
Jesse_Ewiak
The_herd
I like the rule, too. I'm just not sure how to implement it fairly. I mean (and I'm just using him as an example) when LT comes up, he'll likely be a top 5 pick normally. What if the Giants don't pick until 25 that year? Is giving up the 25th pick to automatically get the 5th best player that year good enough? I know it doens't happen that often, but if the Lions pick 3rd that year and they really need an OLB, ouch.
I guess we could always say if your 1st round pick isn't high enough, you have to give up more (maybe 2 first rounders total) to claim them. This would be a good topic for a "commish" council to vote on each year...what each player is worth in draft picks.
We need Jimmy Johnson to provide us with his draft chart :)
- Thul
It's per decade, so it would be a chance that doesn't come about very often. Also, almost every team had at least one player good enough to warrant sacrificing their first round pick...at least I think so? :)
I like this rule, but it's a bit more of a headache for the commish.
j25352857
07-03-2004, 10:03 AM
Jeebs- next time you're on AIM, send a message to the name " merlinxx13".. he is the guy who brought it up in my league and could help out the commish council with ideas or whatever.
Btw- here is the discussion thread about this from my league, http://www.mindwipesports.net/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=16&t=2248&st=0
I'll post a message telling those interested to come over here, or I can get their contact info for you, whatever.
Buccaneer
07-03-2004, 10:50 AM
Do I assume you will be using real players and using the historical draft files?
That was my impression, based on JeeberD's first post.
Do I assume you will be using real players and using the historical draft files?
RendeR
07-03-2004, 10:57 AM
I like the rule, too. I'm just not sure how to implement it fairly. I mean (and I'm just using him as an example) when LT comes up, he'll likely be a top 5 pick normally. What if the Giants don't pick until 25 that year? Is giving up the 25th pick to automatically get the 5th best player that year good enough? I know it doens't happen that often, but if the Lions pick 3rd that year and they really need an OLB, ouch.
I guess we could always say if your 1st round pick isn't high enough, you have to give up more (maybe 2 first rounders total) to claim them. This would be a good topic for a "commish" council to vote on each year...what each player is worth in draft picks.
We need Jimmy Johnson to provide us with his draft chart :)
- Thul
THe draft chart is already available at my website:
http://mlf.majecc.net
click the link in the top middle of the page.
As for what team I want...I can't really decide. I have the bengals in another league and currently my Football conglamorate has 4 teams east (or damn close) of the mississippi, I'm thinking I need a west coast club......
I'll take Seattle, If anyone can turn the seachickens around, its me =)
Nice. I figured someone out there had it!
THe draft chart is already available at my website:
http://mlf.majecc.net
RendeR
07-03-2004, 11:00 AM
DOLA:
I have web space and message board abilities in my website, we can also setup team emails through it if we wish.
What are we calling this league anyway?
Historic League Football
NFL History
Has-Been Football League
Re-Write History League
National Historic League Football
someone pic something =) and I can get forums and a web page started.
How about HFL (Historic Football League)? Short and sweet.
What are we calling this league anyway?
sachmo71
07-03-2004, 11:08 AM
NFL Legends Football League, Historic NFL, Historic Football League is good, too!
RendeR
07-03-2004, 11:23 AM
Ok, the the HFL it is then. I'll get to work this weekend on a site, the message board will be:
http://www.majecc.net/hflboard
EDIT: ok, the board is up, I need the Commish group to register so I can give them permissions and wot-not, also I'd like at least one other person familiar with phpBB to help administrate the board itself. ANy takers?
RendeR
07-03-2004, 11:43 AM
DOLA: ANyone who is good with designing phpBB board styles would be an EXCELLENT choice, as I haven't a clue beyond downloading someone elses crap =)
Cringer
07-03-2004, 12:02 PM
DOLA: ANyone who is good with designing phpBB board styles would be an EXCELLENT choice, as I haven't a clue beyond downloading someone elses crap =)
Damn man, you are on busy FOF'n mofo!
Hope you still offer up some good idea's for the Imperial Football League like you have been doing.... :D
and, uh, what is your sim schedule gonna be lke guys? if it fits my schedule then I want in!
RendeR
07-03-2004, 12:09 PM
Damn man, you are on busy FOF'n mofo!
Hope you still offer up some good idea's for the Imperial Football League like you have been doing.... :D
and, uh, what is your sim schedule gonna be lke guys? if it fits my schedule then I want in!
Heh, yeah, I've been busy =) and will be moreso I think. I'm off for about a month right now, then a short vacation before the fall semester starts in again. but I should have time for all 5 leagues. I spend more time sitting and waiting right now than anything else =)
I'm always open to requests, if there is something specific you want or need let me know.
Cringer- We'll probably have a better idea when people get back from the holiday. I'll just throw 2 games a week out there as a jumping off point...
and, uh, what is your sim schedule gonna be lke guys? if it fits my schedule then I want in!
RenderR - I figured it out and deleted my original post right when you answered it, of course :) Thanks, though.
Yeah, something antique-like would be cool. I have the picture of the Heisman Trophy in my head for some reason. A aged bronze was the look I was going to try when dabbling with a logo.
DOLA just means I was replying to my own post, or posting right after posting previously, you actually negated the DOLA by getting a post in in between mine
As for the styles, I dunno, we don't "need" anything beyond maybe a logo to throw in there, but I'm the kind of guy who likes to play with things and create more unique looks. I'm going to upload and install some other "styles" to the board, you can try them by changing your preferences in the proifle.
If you find one that looks good, let me know =)
RendeR
07-03-2004, 12:15 PM
As for the styles, I dunno, we don't "need" anything beyond maybe a logo to throw in there, but I'm the kind of guy who likes to play with things and create more unique looks. I'm going to upload and install some other "styles" to the board, you can try them by changing your preferences in the proifle.
If you find one that looks good, let me know =)
sachmo71
07-03-2004, 12:28 PM
I'll agree with two. i'll even go to one, if need be.
LastWhiteSoxFanStanding
07-03-2004, 01:13 PM
I would be interested in participating in the league. The only thing is I am really unfamiliar with the workings of FOF multiplayer (FOF2 is still my FOF of choice) and I wouldn't want to screw everybody up!
But if there is a spot for me, I would love to give it a whirl. As the Chicago Bears. As the reincarnation of the greatest coach the sport, the country, the world has ever seen. Ditka.
GoldenEagle
07-03-2004, 03:59 PM
There is a link with already designed phpBB out there. I will see if I can dig it up...
JeeberD
07-03-2004, 05:02 PM
Wow, looks like things really took off while I was at work today... :)
In regards to the name, the Historic Football League was the name that's been floating around in my head for the past couple of day. Glad you guys came up with that while I was away.
We use a two games per week sim schedule in the CFL and that really seems to work well. I really don't want to go over that, and just one sim per week seems rather slow.
I'm going to go register at the message board in just a moment, RendeR. Thanks for your effort in getting it up so quickly. :)
Welcome aboard, LWSFS. Multiplayer FOF really isn't a whole lot different from regular FOF. A file will be posted, you download it and make whatever changes you want, then you click a button that creates a new file. You then e-mail that file to whichever commish is going to be running the sims. The commish will then upload the files into the game, run the sim and post the new file. There are a few other differences, but nothing too major. Oh, and as far as I'm concerned the Bears are yours.
Sach, that's cool, you can take the 'Boys. But you better do a damn good job with them or I'll boot your ass out of the league... :mad: ;)
Oh, one other thing that needs to be discussed. How are we going to go about setting initial rosters? The choices are:
A) Use the default rosters that come with the 1970 league file.
B) Use a preference draft.
C) Use a live draft.
D) Use a part live, part scout-pick draft.
I personally think that option B would be the best way to get the league off the ground quickly and easily. Option A isn't really fair because the expansion teams after 1970 are filled with crappy fictional players and anyone who lands those teams will be stuck in rebuilding mode for years to come. Options C and D might take too long and people might lose interest. Also, from what I understand, once you start the draft you have to to it in one sitting. So that might make things difficult as well...
Keep up the brainstorming, guys. And thanks again to everyone who is participating... :)
Edit: Oh, and I nearly forgot about you, Cringer. Hope we can make it so our schedules don't clash and you join in on the fun... :)
RendeR
07-03-2004, 06:53 PM
I would prefer a preference draft, I went through a live draft in the Imperial League and while it was a blast, it took us 5 hours to go through 10 rounds. I'm perfectly happy opening up my roster and taking stock and then building my team the way I want.
Cringer
07-03-2004, 07:40 PM
You guys figure out days of sims then let me know. 2 games a week is fine by me but the days are what matter for my schedule. If one is on saturday, sunday, or monday morning, then I am frickin' dying to be the Packers
JeeberD
07-03-2004, 08:02 PM
First thoughts are that sims should be spread out a bit, something like Monday and Thursday. CFL sims are Wednesday and Sunday, so I don't want to use those days for the HFL. Tuesday-Thursday and take the weekend off? Something along those lines...
sachmo71
07-03-2004, 08:55 PM
thanks for the blessing on the Cowboys, Jeeber. That's why I love you!
i'm for the preferance draft, as that would be the most fair option.
sachmo71
07-03-2004, 08:57 PM
How about moving franchises and building new stadiums?
I was thinking about a rule that would make you keep your team in a certain city until we pass a year where the team actually moved, but that might be restricting. Same for stadiums. I don't know what difference that would make.
Ragone
07-03-2004, 10:54 PM
i'd defintely be in on a historical football league.. :P
2 point conversions are in right? cause its not a good football league/program without them :P
Let's start discussing this stuff at RendeR's new board! :)
http://www.majecc.net/hflboard/
Re: Drafting Options -
I agree that a preference draft would be the fairest/fastest option, considering the expansion teams.
Given the desire for the "player of the decade", it will seem kind of strange to see Unitas on any team besides the Colts or Namath not a Jet, but I don't see a way around this. I suppose there's always old-fashioned trading! :)
Re: Sim Days -
If we're voting between a Monday-Thursday or Tuesday-Thursday, I'll vote for the Monday version.
Re: Moving franchises
I like the idea, but it's going to be difficult keeping teams in their historic locations with all the moving, expansions, etc. I mean, what do we do with the Colts? Give Baltimore two teams? Or move the Ravens back to Cleveland and have two Browns teams ;) It can get pretty crazy since we can't phase in teams. I think we should have a rule to keep team names (for the historical flavor), but have an open approach to relocations and stadium improvements.
tarcone
07-03-2004, 11:07 PM
id like to join this league
and will help anyway i can
count me in
Front Office Midget
07-03-2004, 11:42 PM
I'm definitely interested.
Updated Player/Team Interest list on the website (see my signature)
If you're interested and/or want to claim a team, please register and post there.
scarface132
07-04-2004, 06:08 AM
I am VERY interested. (
[email protected]) in getting a team, if this becomes a reality.
Would like to claim the Browns, since teams seem to already.
Btw. Wouldn't this league need to run a bit faster than normal as it is three decades behind to start. Whether that means speed up the offseason or speed up the regular season, something would need to be done, imo.
Senator
07-04-2004, 09:45 AM
Miami Dolphins
JeeberD
07-04-2004, 12:49 PM
Btw. Wouldn't this league need to run a bit faster than normal as it is three decades behind to start. Whether that means speed up the offseason or speed up the regular season, something would need to be done, imo.
Nah, not really. The point of the league is to enjoy the historic players, not rush through them so that we can get to the fictional ones...
Cringer
07-04-2004, 01:24 PM
I'm out, the schedule you guys are setting isn't going to work for me.......oh well.
JeeberD
07-04-2004, 02:14 PM
Sorry to hear that Cringer, but I totally understand...
Cringer
07-04-2004, 06:10 PM
Sorry to hear that Cringer, but I totally understand...
I will live, I am NOT going to demand a certain schedule for one owner. Being a trucker you have to pick and choose your leagues. Plus, I should concentrate on my league. But I will follow and root my ass off for whoever is the Packers!
Front Office Midget
07-05-2004, 03:37 PM
Well if Cringer's out, I'd be more than happy to be the Packers. :)
Cringer
07-05-2004, 03:48 PM
Well if Cringer's out, I'd be more than happy to be the Packers. :)
Lead them to glory my friend, I will be watching! :D
**note, you may want to tell them on the msg board they have set up.....i don't know though, I am sure they are checking in here.
JeeberD
07-05-2004, 06:39 PM
If anyone in this thread who is interested in a team hasn't already done so, please come by the official league board and sign up. You can find it in my sig... :)
JeeberD
07-05-2004, 06:50 PM
Well if Cringer's out, I'd be more than happy to be the Packers. :)
Looks like the Packers have already been claimed, FOM. Sorry, bud...
Buccaneer
07-05-2004, 06:59 PM
Put me down for Washington Redskins please.
Buccaneer
07-05-2004, 07:03 PM
At the board, I saw that the Skins were taken so I took the Rams instead.
Vince
07-05-2004, 07:07 PM
And we're full :)
Vince
07-05-2004, 07:07 PM
You beat me to it :) I'll update that list though, so anyone that sees this here will know what's up.
JeeberD
07-05-2004, 07:35 PM
Don't forget about Buffalo and New England...
vtbub
07-05-2004, 07:59 PM
I'd be interested in Cincy.
JeeberD
07-05-2004, 11:23 PM
Welcome aboard, bub! Hopefully you'll have as much fun in this league as I had in MLBE... :)
Please come by the board and sign up, bud...
Raiders Army
07-06-2004, 06:02 AM
I'll take Atlanta! This is the third place I've posted!
VPI97
07-06-2004, 12:15 PM
Are the Browns still available?
Only 3 more teams available! If you're interested, make sure to head over to the HFL boards, register, and post your team preference there.
The player list is in the News and Notes forum. If you're not listed in the player list there, make sure to post w/ a team selection! :)
The link to the forum is in my signature.
Only 2 teams left! Come on over and sign-up for the Bills or Jags!
Vince
07-08-2004, 10:23 PM
And it's over! Sorry if you're interested, you'll now have to join the waiting list. But be sure to hang around...there's bound to be some turnover at some point!
sachmo71
08-06-2004, 12:48 PM
Week 1 is in the books! Check it out!
http://majecc.net/hflboard/index.php
scarface132
08-31-2004, 03:43 PM
I hope I am still on the waiting list? my email is
[email protected]
I would love to get in this league asap?!
John
JeeberD
08-31-2004, 09:05 PM
Have you kept track of the HFL board? We tried to contact a couple of folks about openings but they never responded...
scarface132
08-31-2004, 11:38 PM
No, I was waiting for my email. lol
I did sign up on the boards for the waiting list, I wasn't that far down either, maybe it went to my junk folder?
JeeberD
09-01-2004, 12:45 AM
Perhaps so. If that's the case, sorry 'bout that...
We currently have three people on the list. Best bet would probably be to get on the list again and check into the site every once in a while to see where you are...
Nice quote in your sig, JeeberD. I just noticed it :)
"Re-living history one down at a time"
scarface132
09-04-2004, 05:49 PM
Have you kept track of the HFL board? We tried to contact a couple of folks about openings but they never responded...
I was one of those who in fact never responded, (brownslover) though I must admit, I never got the email. I bookmarked the message board for future reference on both of my browsers and changed my email address, since last time it must have went to junk mail.
I put a post in the waiting list once again and explained the situation.
I am still very interested and I hope you guys don't hold the past situation against me.
John
JeeberD
10-06-2004, 03:14 AM
Coming soon! One or two possible openings in the HFL. Once these openings are set in stone I'll post a thread here that is much more in detail.
Of course, if you don't want miss out on the chance to join this great league you can go ahead and sign up for the waiting list, which currently has only one person on it... :)
See my sig to get to the HFL board...
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