Possible Bug: Forced Fumbles

[DukeRulesMAB]

Has anyone else noticed that forced fumbles seem to be assigned to different players in the game log vs. the box score?

This example from my game in FOFL (multi-player, if that matters):

We forced 3 fumbles.

2-09-MRB24 (00:10) MRB 39 Briner ran inside the left guard for 18 yards.
Tackled by AUS 96 Shepherd.
Ball was fumbled and recovered by AUS 58 Harding for 3 yards to the MRB39.


2-04-AUS41 (11:12) MRB 14 Woods sacked by AUS 98 Hoard for a loss of 5 yards.
Sack allowed by MRB 64 Collins.
Ball was fumbled and recovered by MRB 63 Edwards for 0 yards to the AUS46.


2-15-AUS47 (06:21) MRB 14 Woods sacked by AUS 50 Duffy for a loss of 6 yards.
Sack allowed by MRB 63 Edwards.
Ball was fumbled and recovered by AUS 98 Hoard for 0 yards to the MRB47.

But the box score reads, in relevant parts:


Miscellaneous Fumb FForc Recov MiscTD KeyRBlk SckAlwd

98 Hoard 0 0 1 0 0 0
37 Camu¤as 0 1 0 0 0 0
35 Sandoval 0 1 0 0 0 0
58 Harding 0 0 1 0 0 0
96 Shepherd 0 1 0 0 0 0

Is this known? I've noticed some oddities, but I've never really looked closely at it before now.

[Suicane75]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. You don't show Edwards line, was he not given credit for a recovery? No matter, I reread your post, I'm not sure that just because someone is listed at the tackler that they create the fumble.

[DukeRulesMAB]

Recoveries are fine. Forced fumbles are the problem. Duffy and Hoard should have gotten Forced Fumble credit, but it was given to Sandoval and Camu¤as (my two starting safeties).

[Subby]

No matter, I reread your post, I'm not sure that just because someone is listed at the tackler that they create the fumble. How can you be tackled if you have already fumbled?

[The_herd]

If a player is in the process of being tackled and another player comes along and rips the ball loose, then the player that pulls the ball loose gets credit for a forced fumble, not the tackler. I think this is a case of the PBP not being descriptive enough, not a bug.

[tauter]

SLURP!

[DukeRulesMAB]

It is highly improbable that my safeties were around the ball for not one, but two sacks given that I virtually never blitz them, and one of the sacks was by an already blitzing LB.


Going through my logs for the season, here is every fumble created on a sack:

2-11-AUS50 (02:04) ROY 19 Burdge sacked by AUS 95 Downs for a loss of 5 yards.
Sack allowed by ROY 51 James.
Ball was fumbled and recovered by ROY 77 Toohey for 0 yards to the ROY45.

Box score credits forced fumble to S Camu¤as

2-10-LAS13 (03:39) LAS 17 Fowler sacked by AUS 98 Hoard and AUS 92 Humphrey for a loss of 5 yards.
Sack allowed by LAS 67 Harmon.
Ball was fumbled and recovered by LAS 81 Vance for 0 yards to the LAS08.

Box score credits forced fumble to S Camu¤as

2-06-HDV43 (07:39) HDV 16 Beyer sacked by AUS 98 Hoard for a loss of 8 yards.
Sack allowed by HDV 74 Walters.
Ball was fumbled and recovered by AUS 92 Humphrey for 6 yards to the HDV29.

Box score credits forced fumble to S Sandoval



So in conclusion, every single one of the fumbles my team has created on sacks this year has been credited to a safety. Despite the fact that my safety blitz percentages are 1.0 and 1.0. This is either the biggest coincidence on earth or it is, in fact, a bug.

[Suicane75]

I'm pretty sure that The Herd is spot on here. I would suggest looking over real NFL pbp if you can find it and see if you can find instances of a guy being credited as the tackler and another guy being credited as having forced a fumble.

[cuervo72]

Maybe your safeties are running off one side of the screen and are coming back on the other side of the screen to hit the QB from behind.

[cuervo72]

Dola - and where are these fumbles occuring? If this isn't some officially sanctioned league they don't count anyway.

[Scarecrow]

Dola - and where are these fumbles occuring? If this isn't some officially sanctioned league they don't count anyway.
This reason makes a hell of alot more sense than Suicane75's first one.

[DukeRulesMAB]

Even if one assumes that is the case, that *still* doesn't explain how my non-blitzing safeties forced a fumble on a sack. Every time.

In a quick look through other teams in my league and IHOF's boxes/game logs for today, I have not seen one single example where a fumble forced on a sack was credited to the sacker (or one of the sackers in the case where two teams up). Not one. In 90+% of the cases, the forced fumble on a sack is creditted to a DB.

This is either a bug, or the biggest coincidence ever.

[Suicane75]

Well then you may be right.

[tauter]

Well then you may be right.

Really? You think so? Dumbass.

[cuervo72]

Duke is something like 283-1 in these matters, and that '1' was played under protest and is pending review by the league office. Of course he's right.

[Suicane75]

Really? You think so? Dumbass.

Excuse me fuckwad?

[cuervo72]

The stick! Hit him with the stick!

(the long defenseman one!)

[tauter]

Excuse me fuckwad?

I think you read it just fine, douchebag.

[Suicane75]

Really? You think so? Dumbass.

Ok, as a serious and not so hostile or reactionary retort, may I say that my initial skeptiscm of his thinking it was a bug was when the argument was merely about a different guy getting credit for the forced fumble than the tackle.
It did not include his data about Safeties or CB's getting ALL the credit for forced fumbles, so I do, with the data presented stand by my original conclusion. Once I saw said further data it was obvious that there was something else going on. All that being said, blow me.

[Suicane75]

I think you read it just fine, douchebag.

Well it was hard to see with your mommas fat ass on my face.

[tauter]

Well it was hard to see with your mommas fat ass on my face.

HAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's the best you can come up with?

[tauter]

dola

It must be hard to think with Jim's dick in your mouth.

[Suicane75]

HAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's the best you can come up with?

Yes you dumbass douchebag.

[Suicane75]

dola

It must be hard to think with Jim's dick in your mouth.

Well now that it's apparent you're just a troll I'll leave you be.

[cuervo72]

One of those trolls that we put into a time machine and sent back four years just to get YOU!

[sovereignstar]

Really? You think so? Dumbass.

Nice of you to jump into the dialect, groupie.

I fart in your general direction.

[The_herd]

Another unimaginative, ignorant, unfunny troll.

Where have all the creative trolls gone?

[tauter]

Nice of you to jump into the dialect, groupie.

I fart in your general direction.

Thanks! I love it, you should join our club, you'd fit right in. We're elitist you know?

[Subby]

Another unimaginative, ignorant, unfunny troll.

Where have all the creative trolls gone?
*raises hand and adjusts stunt dick*

[cuervo72]

Another unimaginative, ignorant, unfunny troll.

Where have all the creative trolls gone?

When the flying fuck has creativity been rewarded here?

[tauter]

*raises hand and adjusts stunt dick*

It's not your turn with the stunt dick yet!

[Scarecrow]

Thanks! I love it, you should join our club, you'd fit right in. We're elitist you know?
The DCM does seem rather bored today... ;)

[sovereignstar]

http://www.thefobl.com/forums

[tauter]

And????

[heybrad]

Is this the new presence we were looking for?

[tauter]

heybrad!

[Suicane75]

Sov, you're handy with an axe right?

[cuervo72]

http://www.thefobl.com/forums

Cool, you can pimp my uniforms for me.

[Scarecrow]

http://www.thefobl.com/forums
wait till everyone finds out we kidnapped wig and quicksand....

[cuervo72]

wait till everyone finds out we kidnapped wig and quicksand....

Hey, that was mainly Fritz's idea.

[Scarecrow]

Hey, that was mainly Fritz's idea.
At least we've also got that FOFC mod.

[FishFan]

*yawn*

[cuervo72]

*yawn*

Dude, you need to get that narcolepsy checked out. This is twice now.

[tauter]

*yawn*

Ah, go fuck a cheerleader.

[MIJB#19]

When the flying fuck has creativity been rewarded here?Thanks for the awesome helmet picture you made for my Merchantmen!

[FishFan]

Ah, go fuck a cheerleader.

Can't. She's working tonight.

[Scarecrow]

Can't. She's working tonight.
That's right - Indy plays on MNF tonight. Which one is she again?

[FishFan]

One of the few blondes.

[Mel Kiper's Hair]

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[cuervo72]

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[Ben E Lou]

Two weeks.