Will it be Cal or Texas?

[MrBug708]

I'm generally in favor of the BCS, but if Cal gets screwed out of the Rose Bowl in favor of Texas, I'm off of the BCS wagon.

[Joe]

guess you're off the BCS wagon then, its gonna happen

[Chubby]

utah

[MrBug708]

I think when the Rose Bowl's BCS contract is up, I think they'll opt out of it, unless they can always get a PAC-10/Big-11 matchup every year, regardless of record.

[Cuckoo]

Yep, I think it's going to be Texas. And although I think both are very good football teams, I think Cal probably should be in the Rose Bowl against Michigan. But I'm a bit of a purist, and I like that Pac-10/Big 10 match-up.

[SunDancer]

I think when the Rose Bowl's BCS contract is up, I think they'll opt out of it, unless they can always get a PAC-10/Big-11 matchup every year, regardless of record.

Yes, but if the Rose Bowl opts out, won't they have to convince the Pac-10/Big Ten to come with them?

[Noop]

Seriously who cares... Cal or Texas I belive would win... no offense to Michigan fans but you guys fell backward into the title.

[digamma]

It will be Texas. They only needed to pick up like 7 points in the polls and they picked up about 43 in the coaches and about 30 in the AP.

I think Texas/Cal is a close call. I don't think Cal got screwed here.

[MrBug708]

Yes, but if the Rose Bowl opts out, won't they have to convince the Pac-10/Big Ten to come with them?

I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount

[MrBug708]

Dola

It just wouldn't have NC implications is all

[DeToxRox]

I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount

But then it garuntees you can't win a National Championship. I don't think that'd fly.

[MrBug708]

But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska

[digamma]

But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska
It makes a difference to the teams in the conferences.

[fflix]

cal alum here, if the voters were going to keep giving votes to texas when they don't play, I'd wish they would have just had texas #4 to begin with and have cal at #8, instead of giving us fans false hope.

[DeToxRox]

But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska

Er my fault for not clarifying. I meant that the conferences wouldn't have NC chances.

[MrBug708]

It makes a difference to the teams in the conferences.

True, but not in the historical sense. I think the Rose Bowl takes pride in being known as the Granddaddy of them all and would much rather keep to tradition then have a Texas-Michigan matchup

[G-Man]

Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about! :confused: :mad:

[Chubby]

Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about! :confused: :mad:
wah wah wah, but anything that furthers the demise of the BcS is ok with me

[DeToxRox]

Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about! :confused: :mad:

Let Cal go to the Rose to play Michigan.

Let Texas drum Utah in the Fiesta.

[DeToxRox]

tho i still would love to see michigan vs ut

[GrantDawg]

I say let the Rose Bowl have their conference affliation and create a playoff to determine a champion. Everyone is happy.

[kcchief19]

Michigan-Pittsburgh, Texas-Utah. I love it.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

They could always add The Gator Bowl to the BCS.

[QuikSand]

Pitt.

Wow.

[DeToxRox]

lol

I seriously think two of the four games will be routes now.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Now, which bowl would replace The Rose Bowl iwhen it leaves the bcs.

[MrBug708]

Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl

[Chubby]

Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl
if i'm choosing between just those two then it's easily the cotton bowl as it has more history.

[dawgfan]

Revert back to the old bowl system and traditional affiliations with conferences. If we really are still chomping at the bit for some kind of official "champion", create a college Super Bowl and pick the 2 best teams after the end of the bowls to play for a "championship". Wouldn't be any more controversial than the current BCS system, it would keep the bowls and all the cool things they provide for the participating schools, players and alums, and it would avoid this bastardized current system where the bowls frequently lose their traditional matchups.

The current system is a hodge-podged mess, and I liked it better before the whole thing was concocted.

[Chubby]

and the BCS screws Utah by pitting them against shitty Pitt

[SunDancer]

I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount

That's the key word-cash. I think that Rose Bowl wants to keep tradition, but the two conferences are becoming more about money. I'm not sure the money the Rose Bowl would outbeat the BCS contract and bids.

[DeToxRox]

the BCS can't even get their site/show to match

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Pitt v. Cal show down would really be an egg on the face of CAL.

[Solecismic]

Both Cal and Texas deserve to be in this BCS thing. Pitt? No. Not even close. It's too bad for the mid-majors, who have a lot of hopes pinned on the success of what's been an exceptional season from Utah. Because beating Pitt won't prove anything. And perhaps losing to Pitt would. There's nothing to gain here.

[SunDancer]

I would love to Auburn play Utah, Virgina Tech play Pittsburgh, and Cal-Michigan.

[Sharpieman]

absolute bullshit the Rose Bowl belongs to the Pac-10 and Big Ten. Texas Tech vs. Cal? You've got to be kidding me. Pitt vs. Utah? Pittsburgh does not deserve that bowl game. Pittsburgh only beat 1 team in the top 25 all year! They lost to UCONN and Nebraska too! The BCS and Bowl game setup is completely out of wack. I hate Cal - I'm a Stanford fan, but they deserve to go to a better bowl than the Pacific Life bowl against Texas Tech.

Someone please explain to me how the #5 team in the BCS gets snubbed out of Fiesta AND the Rose. I can kinda understand Texas getting the Rose over Cal, but Pittsburgh?????? You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is a complete disgrace. The system is broken.

[Chubby]

texas boooooo

[Sharpieman]

I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?

[Chubby]

I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?
umm, they have to. not very complicated.

[cthomer5000]

beating Pitt won't prove anything. And perhaps losing to Pitt would. There's nothing to gain here.
I completely agree. I wish an Auburn-Utah matchup had been possible.

[MrBug708]

Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in

[SunDancer]

I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?

They got the automatic bid for the Big East.

[jbmagic]

texas in , cal is out

[Chubby]

Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in
you'd be wrong

[SunDancer]

Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in


But does the Big East have a contract with the BCS for the automatic bid? If so, I'm not sure how you go about it, without getting lawsuits by the conference, unless you eliminate all automatic bids.

[Chubby]

But does the Big East have a contract with the BCS for the automatic bid?
yup and it was extended before this season.

[Sharpieman]

They got the automatic bid for the Big East.
Pitt didn't even win their conference. Automatic bid is absolutely ridiculous.

[Chubby]

Pitt didn't even win their conference. Automatic bid is absolutely ridiculous.
how did they not win the conference?

[cthomer5000]

Yes Pitt did win their conference.

[Sharpieman]

Oh man, I know its a contract obligation but its still just wrong. Cal deserved better, plus they're a lot of fun to watch.

[SunDancer]

Just curious Sharpie,
Are you a Cal student?

[Sharpieman]

Yes Pitt did win their conference.
My bad...Great accomplishment!!!!!!! They have some tough teams in their division like UCONN and the Mighty Owls of Temple!

[Sharpieman]

Just curious Sharpie,
Are you a Cal student?
No I hate Cal...I'm a Stanford fan

[Sharpieman]

I'm outraged as a college football fan...even if I hate Cal they do deserve better

[MrBug708]

Rise up Sharpie!

[Sharpieman]

lol...I don't why a lot of people aren't outraged...I guess its because Cal is a west coast team.

[Marmel]

The PAC 10, which includes Cal, agreed to the BCS format as it is currently set up. Not sure what they could possibly be complaining about.

[Sharpieman]

I swear, if this would have happened to Texas or some east coast team ESPN and everyone in College football would start a war.

[Sharpieman]

The PAC 10, which includes Cal, agreed to the BCS format as it is currently set up. Not sure what they could possibly be complaining about.
They don't have to...I'll complain for them.

[Chubby]

I swear, if this would have happened to Texas or some east coast team ESPN and everyone in College football would start a war.
:rolleyes:


So on one hand when Nebraska plays in the title game despite not winning the conference it's a travesty but Pitt going to a BCS game over Cal (who did not win their conference) is also a travesty? Real consistent...

[MrBug708]

The PAC 10, which includes Cal, agreed to the BCS format as it is currently set up. Not sure what they could possibly be complaining about.

I suppose Tedford could have went on TV and campaigned for a spot in the BCS.

[IMetTrentGreen]

1. texas finished 4-1 vs. ranked teams, cal 1-1
2. texas still had a higher margin of victory this year
3. texas had a 30 spot advantage is s.o.s.
4. asu sucks
5. the pac-10 sucks
6. the big 12 south does not suck
7. ou is better than usc
8. the only reason cal was ahead was they lost first. plus all those nerds who had texas 7-9 in their polls

there are plenty of good reason texas deserved to be there. both teams did, of course, but one had to get it. the right team got in

[MrBug708]

:rolleyes:


So on one hand when Nebraska plays in the title game despite not winning the conference it's a travesty but Pitt going to a BCS game over Cal (who did not win their conference) is also a travesty? Real consistent...

When did Nebraska do that?

[MrBug708]

1. texas finished 4-1 vs. ranked teams, cal 1-1
2. texas still had a higher margin of victory this year
3. texas had a 30 spot advantage is s.o.s.
4. asu sucks
5. the pac-10 sucks
6. the big 12 south does not suck
7. ou is better than usc
8. the only reason cal was ahead was they lost first. plus all those nerds who had texas 7-9 in their polls

there are plenty of good reason texas deserved to be there. both teams did, of course, but one had to get it. the right team got in

Cal did not get shutout in their big game

[moriarty]

1. texas finished 4-1 vs. ranked teams, cal 1-1
2. texas still had a higher margin of victory this year
3. texas had a 30 spot advantage is s.o.s.
4. asu sucks
5. the pac-10 sucks
6. the big 12 south does not suck
7. ou is better than usc
8. the only reason cal was ahead was they lost first. plus all those nerds who had texas 7-9 in their polls

there are plenty of good reason texas deserved to be there. both teams did, of course, but one had to get it. the right team got in


Very objective observation. :rolleyes:

[IMetTrentGreen]

they gave up more point, too

[Sharpieman]

7. ou is better than usc

We will see about that.

[IMetTrentGreen]

Very objective observation

please feel free to objectively respond

[IMetTrentGreen]

We will see about that.

well, yeah, but right now the numbers, which is all we have, bear it out. they cant make this decision in january

[jbmagic]

texas lost out last year...

[MrBug708]

SOS and MOV victory doesnt mean anything. Anyone who played Nebraska has a pretty high MOV anyways

[Sharpieman]

Well, all I can hope for is a Texas loss, a Pitt loss and a Cal win...just to make me feel better. If Cal loses and either Pitt or Texas win...I'll totally shut up about this whole thing. Its sad though that people only care about eastcoast and southern teams getting snubbed. It just goes to show you the bias.

[IMetTrentGreen]

this isn't last year

yes they do matter. what are you, retarded?

[moriarty]

please feel free to objectively respond

How do you objectively respond to childish statements like ASU sucks, Pac 10 sucks, etc... ? Uh, yeah, but Texas swallows? :confused:

[Chubby]

Well, all I can hope for is a Texas loss, a Pitt loss and a Cal win...just to make me feel better. If Cal loses and either Pitt or Texas win...I'll totally shut up about this whole thing. Its sad though that people only care about eastcoast and southern teams getting snubbed. It just goes to show you the bias.
get a clue. like there wasn't bitching last year about USC getting screwed?

[cthomer5000]

Its sad though that people only care about eastcoast and southern teams getting snubbed. It just goes to show you the bias.

So true. We didn't hear a word about USC getting screwed last year.

[MrBug708]

this isn't last year

yes they do matter. what are you, retarded?


Ooo...the arguements of a 13 year old

[cthomer5000]

uh-oh, critical level of agreement with Chubby has been reached.

[IMetTrentGreen]

no facts, as usual. sucker

[MrBug708]

So true. We didn't hear a word about USC getting screwed last year.

When the number 1 team finishes 3rd in the BCS....

[moriarty]

Someone gets screwed every year ... this year it happened to be two teams. But it's gonna be like that until the finally get a playoff. Just hope it doesn't happen to your team.

Still w/ all respect to Auburn I think the two top teams in the country are playing for the championship. That's better than it used to be at least.

[Sharpieman]

get a clue. like there wasn't bitching last year about USC getting screwed?
Well thats USC though, everyone knows USC and they have fans all over the place. They also history of complainers within their University. It is, after all, the University of Spoiled Children.

[sooner333]

I think Cal should be in the BCS right now...but I'm not really *outraged*. I'm more outraged that the Big East will continue their automatic bid after this year. But, next year I beleive that Cal would be in the BCS because of the added bowl.

Texas is a very solid football team, so is Cal. I think Texas has proven itself a bit more, perhaps...but it is close. Cal had every opportunity to go to the BCS but it struggled against a New Orleans Bowl bound Southern Miss team and were almost tied with less than five minutes to go. It didn't help that at that point, with OU blowing out CU, they were in the national spotlight. And in the end, the Big 12 (esp. the South, with five of six teams in the bcs top 25) was better than the Pac 10.

I don't see what the huge deal about tradition is either. The Orange used to always have the Big 8 champ, now they have the ACC/Big East champ in non-championship years. The Sugar ALWAYS had the SEC, and the Cotton always had the SWC champ and now gets the #2 Big 12 team every year. Traditions are cool, but Cal wasn't even the Pac Ten champ, like the tradition would dictate, so it's not that big a deal.

[Noop]

Glad to see the troll still trolling...

[Chubby]

Well thats USC though, everyone knows USC and they have fans all over the place. They also history of complainers within their University. It is, after all, the University of Spoiled Children.
so know it's an east coast + USC bias. Who will we add next? UCLA? Washington? Puh-lease.

[Sharpieman]

Someone gets screwed every year ... this year it happened to be two teams. But it's gonna be like that until the finally get a playoff. Just hope it doesn't happen to your team.

Still w/ all respect to Auburn I think the two top teams in the country are playing for the championship. That's better than it used to be at least.
Auburn got screwed even worse than Cal did. Auburn will probably win and it won't mean anything. The whole system sucks...and it doesnt look like its going to ever change to some kind of playoff.

[Chubby]

Glad to see the troll still trolling...
pot... kettle... black. way to add to the conversation smartguy. must be still celebrating that ACC title for FSU. Oh wait....

[Sharpieman]

so know it's an east coast + USC bias. Who will we add next? UCLA? Washington? Puh-lease.
Its easy for you to say though...you don't see it during the college football year. Private schools like USC and ND get the benefit of the doubt all the time.

[Noop]

pot... kettle... black. way to add to the conversation smartguy. must be still celebrating that ACC title for FSU. Oh wait....
But we beat your stank ass team fat boi...

[cthomer5000]

Well thats USC though, everyone knows USC and they have fans all over the place. They also history of complainers within their University. It is, after all, the University of Spoiled Children.
So it's an "anti-West Coast (except USC)" bias?

This doesn't sound silly to you?

[Sharpieman]

Wow...people are starting to get heated. lol

[VPI97]

I swear, if this would have happened to Texas or some east coast team ESPN and everyone in College football would start a war.It happened to VT in 2000 when a lower ranked Notre Dame got a Fiesta bid over us...no one really cared. Same thing applies today.

[Chubby]

Its easy for you to say though...you don't see it during the college football year. Private schools like USC and ND get the benefit of the doubt all the time.
Oh woe is Cal... you're right I don't see it following a crappy private school or anything. Cry me a river. So now we're up to east coast + private school bias? I'm just trying to keep things straight.

[cthomer5000]

Wow...people are starting to get heated. lol
I'm not heated at all. I just think on some level you must realize your argument is a weak one. The media and public was overwhelmingly outraged at the bowl situation last year. So to claim there is some sort of anti-West Coast agenda just seems weak.

[Sharpieman]

So it's an "anti-West Coast (except USC)" bias?

This doesn't sound silly to you?
Look at it this way, first the eastcoast gets more time on the tv and radio because of the times of their games and college football is bigger in those parts of the country. And then, on the west coast UCS usually dominates the media because they are the most recognizable name here on the west coast. Its not that silly. Its not an all out conspiracy- its just the way things have been.

[Chubby]

But we beat your stank ass team fat boi...I freely admit my team sucks at football. I could care less about insults to SU football. Get back to me when FSU wins something of importance in the next 15 years while we'll still be winning hoops and lacrosse titles.

[cthomer5000]

Also, it was pretty universally agreed that Oregon got screwed when Nebraska took their spot a few years back.

[moriarty]

There's always been something of an 'east coast bias' simply because the west coast games are on so late in the East that they either are not shown, or few east coast people stay up to watch them. A team like USC is popular enought that they get 'prime time' 3:30 east coast time television games so people can see them. So Sharipe has a bit of a point.

Having said that, there was a huge uproar about USC last year, so people not being irate about Cal has nothing to do w/ west coast/east coast IMO.

[Chubby]

Also, it was pretty universally agreed that Oregon got screwed when Nebraska took their spot a few years back.
are they private? that would make all the difference in the world ;)

[Sharpieman]

I'm not saying that Cal didn't get into a BCS game because there is a bias. I'm saying that there isn't outrage or a lot of talk about it because there is somewhat of a bias.

[MrBug708]

I freely admit my team sucks at football. I could care less about insults to SU football. Get back to me when FSU wins something of importance in the next 15 years while we'll still be winning hoops and lacrosse titles.

When LaCrosse sees more publicity then Woman's basketball, let me know

[sooner333]

Look, the computer polls have no east coast/west coast bias, they all had texas over Cal, 5 of them by 2 spots. The pollsters could have a bias, and they both had Cal over Texas, by up to 2 spots. However, they did see that Cal struggled with the mighty Golden Eagles last night and voted accordingly.

[Noop]

I freely admit my team sucks at football. I could care less about insults to SU football. Get back to me when FSU wins something of importance in the next 15 years while we'll still be winning hoops and lacrosse titles.
I could care less if someone insults the Florida State hoops or lacrosse( We dont have one I know) come back to me when someone actually gives a shit about SU period. Fat Boi

[cthomer5000]

I'm not saying that Cal didn't get into a BCS game because there is a bias. I'm saying that there isn't outrage or a lot of talk about it because there is somewhat of a bias.
I'm hearing more about Cal than I am about Auburn right now. I think this further weakens your case.

[Chubby]

I'm not saying that Cal didn't get into a BCS game because there is a bias. I'm saying that there isn't outrage or a lot of talk about it because there is somewhat of a bias.That would be because the team they were competing with for the spot (Texas) was on par with them. Arguing that they should have gotten a BCS spot over a conference champ is a joke, it has nothing to do with any bias.

[Sharpieman]

There's always been something of an 'east coast bias' simply because the west coast games are on so late in the East that they either are not shown, or few east coast people stay up to watch them. A team like USC is popular enought that they get 'prime time' 3:30 east coast time television games so people can see them. So Sharipe has a bit of a point.

Having said that, there was a huge uproar about USC last year, so people not being irate about Cal has nothing to do w/ west coast/east coast IMO.
Thank you...I say that of course there is an uproar about USC last year, because they are more recognizable than Cal in the country. Its because of history of great college football at USC and the fact that there are so many bandwagon fans of USC all over the US.

[QuikSand]

Bending your argument to match the outcome you personally want is a longstanding tradition, I understand.

But I don't know of any field that's as deep with it as college football debates.

[SunDancer]

Just curious, wheres the bias coming from?

Cal is ranked above Texas in both polls, where Cal loss was the computers.

[Chubby]

I could care less if someone insults the Florida State hoops or lacrosse( We dont have one I know) come back to me when someone actually gives a shit about SU period. Fat Boi
HAHAHA, awful lot of haterade from someone who cheers for a corrupt football program that still can't do anything.

I guess that whole NCAA tital thing was missed down in Tallahasse...

[cthomer5000]

Thank you...I say that of course there is an uproar about USC last year, because they are more recognizable than Cal in the country.
It had nothing to do with asking for a shot at the national title vs. a team claiming "hey, we're 4th best!" ?

As QuikSand pointed out in the other thread, who really cares? We're already talking about clear-cut second-tier teams.

[Chubby]

Thank you...I say that of course there is an uproar about USC last year, because they are more recognizable than Cal in the country. Its because of history of great college football at USC and the fact that there are so many bandwagon fans of USC all over the US.
I hate to break it to you but I have seen a total of zero USC hats/tshirts/jerseys here umm ever.

[Sharpieman]

Just curious, wheres the bias coming from?

Cal is ranked above Texas in both polls, where Cal loss was the computers.
I'm not talking about the bias in any kind of computer polls and I'm not saying that Cal is not in the BCS because of a bias. I am saying that there won't be much of an uproar about Cal because Cal is not recognizable.

[MrBug708]

I'll still say it

F SC

[Noop]

HAHAHA, awful lot of haterade from someone who cheers for a corrupt football program that still can't do anything.

I guess that whole NCAA tital thing was missed down in Tallahasse...
Guess you done then... how many times have they had scholly reductions in the last 20 years? Quick answer.... 0

Go back under the bridge troll...

[Sharpieman]

It had nothing to do with asking for a shot at the national title vs. a team claiming "hey, we're 4th best!" ?

As QuikSand pointed out in the other thread, who really cares? We're already talking about clear-cut second-tier teams.
I guess your right about that point but its still ironic that the same rules the system puts in to make games better actually makes worse matchups.

[Chubby]

I'm not saying that Cal didn't get into a BCS game because there is a bias. I'm saying that there isn't outrage or a lot of talk about it because there is somewhat of a bias.
which is it sharpie? ;)


noop, I see you subscribe to the "maybe if I say it enough I can convince myself and others of it's truth." get a clue, you're not even close to debating the topic all you've down is take shots.

there is no bias against Cal unless someone wants to say the comps are biased against Cal ;)

[moriarty]

Look, the computer polls have no east coast/west coast bias, they all had texas over Cal, 5 of them by 2 spots. The pollsters could have a bias, and they both had Cal over Texas, by up to 2 spots. However, they did see that Cal struggled with the mighty Golden Eagles last night and voted accordingly.

Yeah, but that's the point. A lot of east coast pollsters saw Cal for the first time last night and saw Cal 'struggle' (struggle in quotes because it was a close game, but if you look at the stats Cal did everything but score). They didn't see Cal roll over teams like ASU who were ranked etc.

Look at the Heismann race. Peterson and Benson are touted constantly, yet neither's nubmers are as good JJ Arrington. We'll see how they finish.

Again, I'm not saying that Texas didn't deserve it more than Cal. How can anyone know w/out them playing each other? And I'm not saying there's an intentional bias on anyone's part - just a time zone effect.

[Sharpieman]

which is it sharpie? ;)


noop, I see you subscribe to the "maybe if I say it enough I can convince myself and others of it's truth." get a clue, you're not even close to debating the topic all you've down is take shots.

there is no bias against Cal unless someone wants to say the comps are biased against Cal ;)
No, the media bias. Thats what I have been talking about all along.

[SunDancer]

I'm not talking about the bias in any kind of computer polls and I'm not saying that Cal is not in the BCS because of a bias. I am saying that there won't be much of an uproar about Cal because Cal is not recognizable.

Yes, but what would be the uproar about? Texas beat Cal in the BCS. All conferences and bowls signed the BCS deal. You claim east coast bias in your previous posts. What about Utah? They got into the BCS, and they are mid-major.

[Noop]

which is it sharpie? ;)


noop, I see you subscribe to the "maybe if I say it enough I can convince myself and others of it's truth." get a clue, you're not even close to debating the topic all you've down is take shots.

there is no bias against Cal unless someone wants to say the comps are biased against Cal ;)
Right.

[Chubby]

No, the media bias. Thats what I have been talking about all along.
you've been saying there is a bias and there isn't a bias the whole time. pick one!

[G-Man]

Cal turns down the bowl bid extended to them by the Holiday Bowl.....but they would not because of the $$$$.

Hasn't the sports world gotten so about $$$ that the fun of the competition is all but gone....

Do the players have the right to turn down a bowl bid?

[Sharpieman]

Yes, but what would be the uproar about? Texas beat Cal in the BCS. All conferences and bowls signed the BCS deal. You claim east coast bias in your previous posts.
That the system has imprisoned itself and its not creating the best matchups.

[Chubby]

When LaCrosse sees more publicity then Woman's basketball, let me know
it certainly does in NY and Maryland and probably other places as well.

[Chubby]

Cal turns down the bowl bid extended to them by the Holiday Bowl.....but they would not because of the $$$$.

Hasn't the sports world gotten so about $$$ that the fun of the competition is all but gone....

Do the players have the right to turn down a bowl bid?
They can, and it has happened before.

[cthomer5000]

Cal turns down the bowl bid extended to them by the Holiday Bowl.....but they would not because of the $$$$.

Hasn't the sports world gotten so about $$$ that the fun of the competition is all but gone....

Do the players have the right to turn down a bowl bid?
Yeah, I'm sure those seniors would rather end their careers one game early in "protest" of a system they are a willing participant in.

[Sharpieman]

you've been saying there is a bias and there isn't a bias the whole time. pick one!
No, I've been saying there is a public and media bias. Never saying that there is a bias in the computer polls-thats impossible.

[Sharpieman]

Yeah, I'm sure those seniors would rather end their careers one game early in "protest" of a system they are a willing participant in.
Didn't some team do that before maybe it was not college football but basketball and some team didn't go to the NIT?

[Z²+]

Everyone's hatin' on Pitt. Sure, Pitt did lose to Neb and UConn, and went to overtime to beat Furman. But, that was 3 months ago. This team has won 6 of 7, including wins over BC, WVU, and Notre Dame. We beat the teams we needed to beat, won our conference, and earned the BCS game. It's as simple as that. Were there "better" teams that were left out of BCS? Absolutely. But if Cal and/or Texas wanted a guaranteed bid, all they needed was to win their respective conferences. They didn't. Pitt did. Pretty much end of story.

I would have much rather paired up unbeatens Utah and Auborn, and had Pitt match up with the traitorous Hokies of VTech. But I like the matchup with Pitt vs. Utah. Utah's schedule is comparitively weak (a "Big East" like schedule I'm sure some of you naysayers will surely point out) and I think the Panthers match up well in what should be a competitive game.

Here we go, Panthers
Here we go
Pittsburgh's goin' to the Fiesta Bowl

[Sharpieman]

Everyone's hatin' on Pitt. Sure, Pitt did lose to Neb and UConn, and went to overtime to beat Furman. But, that was 3 months ago. This team has won 6 of 7, including wins over BC, WVU, and Notre Dame. We beat the teams we needed to beat, won our conference, and earned the BCS game. It's as simple as that. Were there "better" teams that were left out of BCS? Absolutely. But if Cal and/or Texas wanted a guaranteed bid, all they needed was to win their respective conferences. They didn't. Pitt did. Pretty much end of story.

I would have much rather paired up unbeatens Utah and Auborn, and had Pitt match up with the traitorous Hokies of VTech. But I like the matchup with Pitt vs. Utah. Utah's schedule is comparitively weak (a "Big East" like schedule I'm sure some of you naysayers will surely point out) and I think the Panthers match up well in what should be a competitive game.

Here we go, Panthers
Here we go
Pittsburgh's goin' to the Fiesta Bowl
I have to say I like watching that kid Palko play, he's fun to watch. But Utah should win...is Urban Meyer going to coach that game or is he not allowed to?

[Chubby]

I have to say I like watching that kid Palko play, he's fun to watch. But Utah should win...is Urban Meyer going to coach that game or is he not allowed to?
yes he's going to coach. he dodged any questions even close to involving ND or Florida in his interview.

[Sharpieman]

Then They will probably beat Pitt. Meyer has done a great job with that team.

[Chubby]

Didn't some team do that before maybe it was not college football but basketball and some team didn't go to the NIT?

there has been but it was in the middle tier bowls (like a ND turning down a Weedeater Bowl invite or something)

[Z²+]

I have to say I like watching that kid Palko play, he's fun to watch. But Utah should win...is Urban Meyer going to coach that game or is he not allowed to?

Palko's a beast. He's only a sophomore (along with his key WR threat, Greg Lee) and can only get better with time.

From what I've heard, Meyer will be coaching. Who knows if that's subject to change, but I'd say he'll be there.

And so will I. New Years Day in Arizona, baby! Yay for living expense college loans...because bowl games are clearly a living expense ;)

[cthomer5000]

Pretty interesting that Urban Meyer completely dodged the Florida question on the BCS selection show, but was completely open in talking about it on ESPN less than an hour later.

[Swaggs]

I think the Liberty Bowl is going to be one of the better matchups of the bowl season, with Louisville vs Boise State.

[cthomer5000]

I think the Liberty Bowl is going to be one of the better matchups of the bowl season, with Louisville vs Boise State.
That and Miami-Florida were the only two games that really grabbed my attention.

[Chubby]

I think the Liberty Bowl is going to be one of the better matchups of the bowl season, with Louisville vs Boise State.
it's still garabage that the better non-BCS star teams get matched up against either another non-BCS conference team or a scrub team (utah v pitt)

[Dawgfan1980]

The whole thing about Cal getting the shaft is due to the arrogance of the BCS when this whole thing was set up. They never thought one, much less three schools (Boise State has a legitatmite beef, and Louisville was damn close to making this a year with waaaay too many undefeated) would challenge them. My complaint is that Texas gets in by not playing. Cal beat So. Miss on the road. That is a game that Cal has nothing to win in it. If they win by 50, then everyone says "good job, but they aren't ranked high", if they play close (Oh, BTW, they did blow out enough good schools on National TV that this is a mute point) they get dropped, without Texas having to play a down. Besides, wouldn't everyone be happier if Texas was in the Cotton Bowl? Not like the rest of the country gives a flying crap about Mac Brown and one of the most overrated schools in the last decade. You shouldn't be able to go to a BC$ game until you beat Oklahoma, Longhorns. Oh, and when U$C destroys Oklahoma (which they will) then I guess Cal will look even better. God, I hate the BCS.

[Swaggs]

That and Miami-Florida were the only two games that really grabbed my attention.

I'm obviously biased :) , but I think the WVU-FSU game could be interesting, since it is a pretty marquee bowl, will have the Bowden from WVU backstory, and both teams were hoping for a much better season.

But for most, I think you are right. Miami-UF, WVU-FSU, BSU-UL, and the Oragne will be the only bowls I will make an effort to watch.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Seems like the ESPN guys are praising the results.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

quote Chad May '' I think (PITT UTAH) will be a fun game to watch.''

[SunDancer]

Man,
I forget we are talking about the BCS, and not the election results.

[HerRealName]

I predict a very, very bad day for the Big 10 on 1/1/05.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

So, where does California go now?

[Vegas Vic]

Auburn got screwed even worse than Cal did.

And do you know who it was who screwed them. This guy:

http://www.auburntigers.com/emplibrary/housel_031604.jpg

Do you know who he is? His name is David Housel, and he's the Athletic Director at Auburn. He decided to schedule The Citadel, UL-Monroe and La. Tech for Auburn's non-conference games. Even Bill Snyder would have been ashamed of that non-conference lineup.

The voters and computers got it right. Both of the voter's polls and all of the computer polls have USC and OU #1 and #2. Unanimous -- every single one.

Auburn is an outstanding team, but perhaps they need to look inward to Mr. Housel before they start blaming everyone else.

[Buccaneer]

Revert back to the old bowl system and traditional affiliations with conferences. If we really are still chomping at the bit for some kind of official "champion", create a college Super Bowl and pick the 2 best teams after the end of the bowls to play for a "championship". Wouldn't be any more controversial than the current BCS system, it would keep the bowls and all the cool things they provide for the participating schools, players and alums, and it would avoid this bastardized current system where the bowls frequently lose their traditional matchups.

The current system is a hodge-podged mess, and I liked it better before the whole thing was concocted.
I fully agree with you with an added cavaet: eliminate about 8 bowl games.

[jbmagic]

So, where does California go now?


holiday bowl

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

holiday bowl

Sensational...I mean ouch!

[SunDancer]

And do you know who it was who screwed them. This guy:

http://www.auburntigers.com/emplibrary/housel_031604.jpg

Do you know who he is? His name is David Housel, and he's the Athletic Director at Auburn. He decided to schedule The Citadel, UL-Monroe and La. Tech for Auburn's non-conference games. Even Bill Snyder would have been ashamed of that non-conference lineup.

The voters and computers got it right. Both of the voter's polls and all of the computer polls have USC and OU #1 and #2. Unanimous -- every single one.

Auburn is an outstanding team, but perhaps they need to look inward to Mr. Housel before they start blaming everyone else.

Didn't Auburn have bigger games in place, but the other schools got out of the deals?

[jbmagic]

Sensational...I mean ouch!

yep cal coach dont seem too happy about it when they talk to him

[sterlingice]

So, where does California go now?
holiday bowl
Sensational...I mean ouch!

I don't know why, but I find this exchange funny as hell :D :D :D

SI

[Chief Rum]

I'm not going to get into the pissing match in this thread, but I will, as a UCLA fan, say that the one thing that pisses me off about Cal not getting in is that we got bumped down from an intriguing matchup with the Irish at the Insight to a blah matchup with Wyoming in the Las Veags Bowl. Ugh.

CR

[jbmagic]

I'm not going to get into the pissing match in this thread, but I will, as a UCLA fan, say that the one thing that pisses me off about Cal not getting in is that we got bumped down from an intriguing matchup with the Irish at the Insight to a blah matchup with Wyoming in the Las Veags Bowl. Ugh.

CR


big ucla fan too.

this really sucks for us

[digamma]

Didn't Auburn have bigger games in place, but the other schools got out of the deals?
Auburn would have played Bowling Green and Georgia Tech. Bowling Green bought themselves out of the Auburn game because they got a better deal from Oklahoma. Auburn and Georgia Tech "agreed" to reduce their 3 game series to a 2 game series--though most believe it was Auburn who pushed for the change (in return Ga Tech got to open their stadium post-renovation against Auburn, rather than waiting and having the Auburn home game this season).

[Neuqua]

Doh, looks like this means NIU gets to play in the most insignificant of bowls, the Silicon Valley Bowl instead of what could've been a nice matchup (for the fans involved) in the Independence Bowl against Oklahoma State.

I guess after last year I should just be appreciative that we're going bowling this year.

[SunDancer]

I think if the non BCS bowls go with a selection "draft" being kicked around, it would really make the matchups alot better.

[cartman]

Ok, I just got off the plane, and into the hotel.

I'm a bit stunned, but not surprised that Texas got in.

In BCS terms, they were screwed last year, along with USC. Texas was slotted for a BCS game last year, until Kansas State whupped up on Oklahoma. Kansas State got the automatic bid, Oklahoma "slid" into the championship game, and Texas was sent off to the Holiday Bowl. This year, Texas didn't play on the final weekend again, but this time they get in. Three years ago, Texas played on the final weekend, and if they won the Big 12 Championship game, then they were playing in the BCS championship game. They lost, and slid out of any BCS game. Doesn't make much sense, and it won't until a 16 team playoff is introduced.

As for the Big East's automatic berth, it isn't a birthright. The conference champ has to average in the Top 15 over a four year period for the conference champ to have an automatic berth. If they can't keep that average, then they enter the at-large pool.

[JonInMiddleGA]

As for the Big East's automatic berth, it isn't a birthright. The conference champ has to average in the Top 15 over a four year period for the conference champ to have an automatic berth. If they can't keep that average, then they enter the at-large pool.

Since you explained that a helluva lot better than I could have, I'll ask you (or whoever knows, naturally *g*):
Is the reverse also true? If, say, the WAC champion averages in the Top 15 over a 4 yr period but the Big East doesn't, does the WAC earn an auto-bid?
Or does the fallen conference simply create an extra at-large bid for the remainder of the contract?

[cartman]

Since you explained that a helluva lot better than I could have, I'll ask you (or whoever knows, naturally *g*):
Is the reverse also true? If, say, the WAC champion averages in the Top 15 over a 4 yr period but the Big East doesn't, does the WAC earn an auto-bid?
Or does the fallen conference simply create an extra at-large bid for the remainder of the contract?

Nope, that rule only applies to the six conferences that comprise the BCS: Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10, ACC, Big East, and SEC.

The conference I see quickly approaching the quality level of those is going to be the MAC.

[sterlingice]

I would say a top 15 average doesn't take much. It's like saying the AL Central leader must finish with a winning record across the average of 5 years, well, they'll never lose their right to the playoffs even in the worst of stretches. Now, if they extended that offer to all conferences... then that'd be interesting as I think we'd have a couple of new BCS conferences soon. But it'll never happen.

SI

[GrantDawg]

Auburn is an outstanding team, but perhaps they need to look inward to Mr. Housel before they start blaming everyone else.And this was his last season at AD (which would also explains why he didn't commit the school to home-and-homes that would take place after his tenure). The BCS is a joke, has been a joke, and always will be a joke.

[sooner333]

Per collegebcs.com:

"The "Big East" rule says that "The automatic selection of the original BCS conference champions is subject to review and possible (my emphasis) loss of automatic selection by the BCS should the conference champion not have an average ranking of 12 or higher over a four-year period."
By "higher" they mean "better," of course. The word "possible" means they have no intention of ever taking away any conference's automatic bid, but they are not going to box themselves in in case some conference really tanks. A conference would have be a lot worse than that before this was ever seriously considered.

It is called the "Big East" rule becasue it was created after Syracuse won the Big East in 1998 finishing 15th."


Now, the Big East currently has the second best four year average headed into the season. That will obviously go down as Miami (3) of 2000 is replaced by Pitt (21), and then, so you have 1, 1, 9, 21, which gives an average of 8. Which will still be ahead of the ACC (10, 14, 7, and 8 this year with VA Tech).

[ISiddiqui]

Everyone's hatin' on Pitt. Sure, Pitt did lose to Neb and UConn, and went to overtime to beat Furman. But, that was 3 months ago. This team has won 6 of 7, including wins over BC, WVU, and Notre Dame. We beat the teams we needed to beat, won our conference, and earned the BCS game. It's as simple as that. Were there "better" teams that were left out of BCS? Absolutely. But if Cal and/or Texas wanted a guaranteed bid, all they needed was to win their respective conferences. They didn't. Pitt did. Pretty much end of story.

I would have much rather paired up unbeatens Utah and Auborn, and had Pitt match up with the traitorous Hokies of VTech. But I like the matchup with Pitt vs. Utah. Utah's schedule is comparitively weak (a "Big East" like schedule I'm sure some of you naysayers will surely point out) and I think the Panthers match up well in what should be a competitive game.

Here we go, Panthers
Here we go
Pittsburgh's goin' to the Fiesta Bowl

Btw, thanks Pitt and whoever went to Syracuse for preventing the traitors BC from winning the conference this year! Though beware for Louisville stealing your crown next year ;).

[Easy Mac]

Here is how the BCS has gone the past 4 years and how close each conference is to losing a spot

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BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]2002 (Top 15 only)[/font]</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17 x:num>[font=Arial]10[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial]1[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial]8[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial]3[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial]13[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial]4[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]-[/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[font=Arial]2001 (Top 15 only)[/font]</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17 x:num>[font=Arial][b]9.75[/b][/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial][b]8[/b][/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial][b]6.75[/b][/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial][b]5.5[/b][/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial][b]5.25[/b][/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial][b]3.5[/b][/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>[font=Arial][b]14[/b][/font]</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; 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[SunDancer]

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3221048


BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) - California refused to run up the score or beg for poll votes.

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Cal expresses frustration after losing its Rose Bowl spot to Texas.


Maybe the Bears should have.
Cal (10-1) was left out of the Bowl Championship Series, denied one of the eight spots in college football's big-money games despite a season of statistical superlatives and dominating victories.

The fourth-ranked Golden Bears will be stuck at the Holiday Bowl while Texas plays in the Rose Bowl.

Cal's Rose Bowl drought reached 46 years despite one of the best regular seasons in school history.

The Bears felt beaten as they left their team meeting. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers saw confusion and disappointment in his teammates when they found out their Rose Bowl dreams were replaced with a trip to San Diego to face Texas Tech.

"It just shows it's a faulty system, and we've got to do something to change it up," Rodgers said. "I bet Auburn is pretty ticked, too. ... Nobody cares about West Coast football, I don't think. I just hope Southern Cal represents us well."

Texas (10-1) surged past the Bears in the final BCS standings despite Cal's 26-16 road victory over Southern Mississippi on Saturday night. The Longhorns gained points in both polls, and the computer rankings kept Texas well in front of Cal. The Longhorns will face Michigan (9-2) on Jan. 1.

There were dozens of factors in the decision, but the Bears felt they were superior in almost every venue - except the political arena. Rodgers figured Texas coach Mack Brown's pleading for poll support made a difference, and he was glad Cal coach Jeff Tedford never did likewise.

"I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the (Texas A&M) game," Rodgers said. "I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. Coach Tedford isn't going to, although he's frustrated just like we are. I think we're a bigger team, classier than that."

Tedford was less emotional than Rodgers, but no less disappointed as he evaluated the Bears' long list of accomplishments.

The only blemish on their record was a six-point loss at top-ranked USC. They beat 10 teams by an average of 23.9 points per game. They were the only school in the nation's top six both in scoring offense and scoring defense.

The Rose Bowl has matched a Big 10 team against a Pac-10 school for decades, and with the Pac-10 champion Trojans headed to the Orange Bowl, Cal hoped to end the conference's longest Rose Bowl drought. Instead, there will be burnt orange in the Pasadena stands.

"I just feel terrible for the alumni and the fans who have waited so long for this," Tedford said. "As a program, we were set on the Rose Bowl. I felt like we did enough to earn that."

Most of the Bears still were jet-lagged and exhausted after grinding out a victory in Hattiesburg just 18 hours earlier in a game postponed from Sept. 16 by Hurricane Ivan. The late-season road trip provided a national television audience - but when the Golden Eagles were difficult to put away, it might have swayed some voters away.

And that was baffling to Tedford, who refused to try to score one last touchdown in the waning seconds to pad the score. The Bears also were hurt by a questionable clipping call in the closing minutes, which negated a touchdown run by J.J. Arrington.

Normally, Tedford wouldn't spare a second's thought on such issues - but in the BCS world, it might have made a difference.

"If yesterday's game was the game that turned anybody's head, then that's sad, because it's about a season," Tedford said. "We're going to keep our same philosophy. It's hard enough just to win games."

[SunDancer]

Just curious,
How does attacking Texas' coach make you classier? Also, the computer polls do not care about what coast you play on, which where Cal was outpolled in the BCS. It sucks that Cal didn't make it, but they shouldn't be attacking Texas. They have just as much claim to the BCS picture as them.

[moriarty]

Also, the computer polls do not care about what coast you play on, which where Cal was outpolled in the BCS.

I think we've covered this in like 5 threads, but the computer polls always had Texas ahead. It was a significant change in the coaches poll in the last week that moved Texas ahead of Cal in the last week.

That said, Rodgers is bitter about not going to the Rose Bowl. Attacking Texas is not the answer, but tough to blame him for being upset.

[DeToxRox]

not trying to be an ass, but if cal could've put USC away, they have no room to complain. they, much like texas, couldn't get the job done when they had the chance, but one of them had to go.

[moriarty]

not trying to be an ass, but if cal could've put USC away, they have no room to complain. they, much like texas, couldn't get the job done when they had the chance, but one of them had to go.

True.

On a positive Cal note, I hear (unconfirmed) that Tedford signed a 5 yr extension.

[SackAttack]

No, but Cal did lose some votes in the human polls - not enough to drop them from #4, but enough to let Texas use the computers to leapfrog them despite being ranked #5 in both.

The computers were the coup de grace, but the campaigning by Mack Brown clearly hurt the Golden Bears.

[MrBug708]

not trying to be an ass, but if cal could've put USC away, they have no room to complain. they, much like texas, couldn't get the job done when they had the chance, but one of them had to go.

I don't think that's the argument most people would make. The more likely argument would be arguing that Cal had 4 chances at the end of the game to win while Texas last shot was when they finished playing the National Anthem

[DeToxRox]

I don't think that's the argument most people would make. The more likely argument would be arguing that Cal had 4 chances at the end of the game to win while Texas last shot was when they finished playing the National Anthem

I know, I'm just saying that you hear that the great teams win the close ones. Well, how great are you if you out gain a team 2 to 1, and just basically dominate them, and yet you still lose?

Wouldn't a great team have won pretty handedly?

That said, Texas didn't do much either, so neither are really "great" teams. Damn good, yes. Great, no.