PING: Niner Fans - We have a coach...

[Logan]

ESPN's "breaking news" says Mike Nolan has accepted the 49ers head coaching job.

Eh.

[miami_fan]

Not too sure what to think of this hire. IMO the Ravens' D has gotten worse under his watch. May have more to do with age but it is want it is. I am surprised that they hired a coach before hiring a GM. Ought to be really interesting who they bring in on the personnel side.

[rkmsuf]

Not too sure what to think of this hire. IMO the Ravens' D has gotten worse under his watch. May have more to do with age but it is want it is. I am surprised that they hired a coach before hiring a GM. Ought to be really interesting who they bring in on the personnel side.

bringing in the coach first is just like the complete opposite of what every other team does.

York is secretly George Costanza.

[Franklinnoble]

This is not good news for 'Niners fans.

Nolan is not a very good defensive coordinator.

I think this is another case of the 'Niners hiring someone cheap.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Damn. I have never seen a team want one player so badly. Is Leinart so good that you really need to solidify next year's top pick already?

[Cringer]

This is not good news for 'Niners fans.

Nolan is not a very good defensive coordinator.

I think this is another case of the 'Niners hiring someone cheap.

cheap.......and white. Why not wait for Crennel? (sp?)

[Franklinnoble]

cheap.......and white. Why not wait for Crennel? (sp?)

I agree... however, the word is that Crennel is a lock for the Browns job already.

Why not Art Shell? Seriously... dude has some Bay Area history...

Why not any of several minority candidates? If you're going to pass on paying big dollars for a proven winner, why not give a shot to, say, Norm Chow? I dunno... this hiring sort of pisses me off, and I'm not even a Niners fan.

[rkmsuf]

cheap.......and white. Why not wait for Crennel? (sp?)

they said Crennel didn't interview as well out there. not sure whether that came out of 49er camp or not.

[miami_fan]

cheap.......and white. Why not wait for Crennel? (sp?)

As much as he wants to be a head coach, should he really leave the Pats to take the Niners job? I mean even the Browns job is more attractive (which he should get for sure!)

[rkmsuf]

I agree... however, the word is that Crennel is a lock for the Browns job already.

Why not Art Shell? Seriously... dude has some Bay Area history...

Why not any of several minority candidates? If you're going to pass on paying big dollars for a proven winner, why not give a shot to, say, Norm Chow? I dunno... this hiring sort of pisses me off, and I'm not even a Niners fan.

It's not off the wall though. Clearly defense is what the 49ers need and Nolan has been in the mix elsewhere.

As far as Art Shell I think his time has passed.

[jetpunk2000]

Weird. I was listening to ESPN radio yesterday and they said that John York wants to hire some coordinator who is really into moneyball and apparently York was considering trying out a football equivalent. I forget what coordinator it was, possibly a Titans coordinator, but I didn't even see his name mentioned in the article on Nolan. So, once again, ESPN had their heads up their ass.

[miami_fan]

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question

[rkmsuf]

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question

There isn't. The guy is a loon.

I think a good cap manager would be a start. I honestly think he's searching for a more "Pats" approach to team building.

[Cringer]

I agree... however, the word is that Crennel is a lock for the Browns job already.

Why not Art Shell? Seriously... dude has some Bay Area history...

Why not any of several minority candidates? If you're going to pass on paying big dollars for a proven winner, why not give a shot to, say, Norm Chow? I dunno... this hiring sort of pisses me off, and I'm not even a Niners fan.

True, forgot about Crennel and the Browns.

As far as Art Shell, I have been waiting forever for that guy to get another shot. He doesn't even get interviews......
:rolleyes:

[miami_fan]

True, forgot about Crennel and the Browns.

As far as Art Shell, I have been waiting forever for that guy to get another shot. He doesn't even get interviews......
:rolleyes:

He did interview with the Dolphins before they hired Saban :rolleyes:

[jetpunk2000]

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question
Well, seeing as how "Moneyball" hasn't exactly been proven to work in baseball, I can't understand why other sports would want to adopt it. (Well, other than to be cheap). I think the next couple of years are the big test for the Moneyball theory. Beane has traded 2/3 of the holy trinity. If he continues to have success, he might have a lot more believers. I still don't buy into it, though. Judging by the success, or lack thereof of DePodesta (yea it';s only one year, I know) and Riccardi, maybe Beane was just lucky. Please, don't turn this into a moneyball thread though, I'm tired of arguing against it. :p

[Crapshoot]

Well, seeing as how "Moneyball" hasn't exactly been proven to work in baseball, I can't understand why other sports would want to adopt it. (Well, other than to be cheap). I think the next couple of years are the big test for the Moneyball theory. Beane has traded 2/3 of the holy trinity. If he continues to have success, he might have a lot more believers. I still don't buy into it, though. Judging by the success, or lack thereof of DePodesta (yea it';s only one year, I know) and Riccardi, maybe Beane was just lucky. Please, don't turn this into a moneyball thread though, I'm tired of arguing against it. :p

When you make inane statements like this, you aren't arguing - you're talking about something you dont understand.

[Alan T]

Well, seeing as how "Moneyball" hasn't exactly been proven to work in baseball, I can't understand why other sports would want to adopt it. (Well, other than to be cheap). I think the next couple of years are the big test for the Moneyball theory. Beane has traded 2/3 of the holy trinity. If he continues to have success, he might have a lot more believers. I still don't buy into it, though. Judging by the success, or lack thereof of DePodesta (yea it';s only one year, I know) and Riccardi, maybe Beane was just lucky. Please, don't turn this into a moneyball thread though, I'm tired of arguing against it. :p



I thought the Red Sox had taken a "moneyball" approach this year and did ok?

Maybe my impression of moneyball is different than others... I thought moneyball in baseball wasnt a code word for being cheap or not spending money. I thought it was how you spent the money or what you spent it on to spend it wiser?

Now a football equivalent of this? Doesnt seem to make as much sense to me since all teams spend equal... I guess it would be to look at specific qualities of a player or stats that are overlooked to get bargains... I honestly don't know what those would be... I don't think many people have put a finger on the Patriot's success without stars other than pointing at great coaching perhaps. If that was the case, a moneyball approach in football might be to target a great coach that builds up a team concept rather than stars.. But if thats the case, this move would puzzle me as a niners fan..

I guess I have no clue though :)

[cthomer5000]

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question
In a statistical sense I really don't know. In a general sense I could see a team operating a bit more like the Patriots or pre-2004 Eagles. Just don't dole out the big bucks unless the guy is proven AND young. And when in doubt sign a bunch of cheap veterans and see what sticks in training camp.

[miami_fan]

Well, seeing as how "Moneyball" hasn't exactly been proven to work in baseball, I can't understand why other sports would want to adopt it. (Well, other than to be cheap). I think the next couple of years are the big test for the Moneyball theory. Beane has traded 2/3 of the holy trinity. If he continues to have success, he might have a lot more believers. I still don't buy into it, though. Judging by the success, or lack thereof of DePodesta (yea it';s only one year, I know) and Riccardi, maybe Beane was just lucky. Please, don't turn this into a moneyball thread though, I'm tired of arguing against it. :p

Actually I was looking more towards the personnel traits (college players as opposed to high school etc.) and "alternative" stats that York would be looking. I mean the financial parts of the theory are kinda of irrelevant when you already have a hard salary cap. I have not read the book as yet so I do not know the nuts and bolts of Beane's thinking. But I am not seeing where his philosophies would be needed in the NFL :confused:

[Yossarian]

I'm guessing its not too long before

http://images.google.com/images?q=mike%20nolan%20nfl&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi

returns some images.

[wishbone]

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3330452

[Daimyo]

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question
The "Moneyball theory" is basically to look for and find value that other's overlook and undervalue. Basically to get in on the ground floor of the next big thing before everyone else catches on. That can be applied to any sport or area of life.

OBP/walks just happened to be the undervalued thing they found back then, but other than that has very little to do with the core of Moneyball. In fact now that it's so hyped a a true Moneyball team would probably not be built around OBP anymore.

[maximus]

ESPN's "breaking news" says Mike Nolan has accepted the 49ers head coaching job.

Eh.


Alright! The 49ers are still gonna suck. :D


(although as a bear fan I can't say to much myself)

[kingfc22]

Tell me that John York sells the team. Then I will be a happy 49ers fan again.

[maximus]

John York

Thats the 49ers biggest problem.


Its the same way with the Bears, the McCaskeys ran that football club into the ground.

[AgustusM]

http://www.dumpyork.com/index.html

[jetpunk2000]

When you make inane statements like this, you aren't arguing - you're talking about something you dont understand.
Please tell me what exactly is inane about my statement, since you are obviously an expert.

[Sharpieman]

oh man...this is just...oh man.

[Sharpieman]

The only good thing about this is that once the Niners continue to suck for the next 3 years the pressure might become too much for John York and he might quit and hand the owner job to someone else in the Debartolo family. I can only hope.





BTW the way ^*&%)^(^&#@^(&^@#$&@#$#$ YORK!