Shot-Online (Golf MMORPG) Beta

[chinaski]

http://shot-online.com/

Played 18 holes last night and really like it. Its along the lines of Tiger Woods Golf, where you gain experience and allocate your XP points and you win money that you can use for green fees, clubs, clothes, food, etc.

Maybe we can get some FOFC'ers into this and then we can conduct a tourney or two :) Id be glad to help anyone out, if needed. Its follows the fairly standard golf game construct, you click the ball to start your swing, click it again to stop the power meter, then you click again for accuracy (or hook). You can add spin etc, like any other golf game. You arent good to start out with of course, its a RPG.

my username name is chinaski for Shot-Online, make sure put me in as your referrer on signup!

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FOFC Shot-Online Usernames:




chinaski
Marmel
CoffeeWarlord
BrianD
QcFrogMan - Frogman
MacroGuru - indoorsoccersim
PureHavok
MJ4H - mattjones4heisman
Balldog
KWhit
cody8200
Mrkilla22
kingfc22
tasan
JHandley
Raven
HJSimpson - HomerJSimpson
Vyshka
Schmidty
ajtuck - tucker342
SirFozzie
atatange1
LawyerJon - Jon
Celeval
streetballer67
thealmighty

[MacroGuru]

I will look at it tonight...since the wife will be at school

[SirFozzie]

Looks interesting. Will check it out.

[Balldog]

Will try to check this out tonight as well. Looks cool.

[chinaski]

bumping for the evening crowd. If you like golf games at all, this one is definitely worth a try and its free.

[Coffee Warlord]

Checking it out.

edit: Still downloading, but when I get on, I'm CoffeeWarlord.

[FrogMan]

I signed up for it, name is QcFrogMan. Have not downloaded, will do it at some point. Looks very cool...

FM

[MacroGuru]

MacroGuru for me....I love the comcast upgrade....187 MB in just under 5 minutes

[Havok]

Username = Havok12

This looks promising :)

[Celeval]

Not bad. Starting to learn how to putt.

[TazFTW]

Apparently I'm better at putting from 20 yards out than I am from 10 yards. I also can't hit anything with the irons. It is too weak of a shot such that the ball falls short of the target or too strong that it bounces over it.

[Havok]

i hate putting :(

[MacroGuru]

Well.....hows this...

I haven't played anything to truly excersise my graphic card for a while.

I start playing the game, and the damn thing is overheating....I look, and my fan isn't working....dang....now I have an excuse to upgrade the card (Although I shouldn't have too)

[MJ4H]

Downloading now: username MJ4H

[Balldog]

Downloaded last night, haven't installed it yet. Will tonight, username = Balldog

[BrianD]

I signed up as BrianD. I'm not sure my laptop plays the game very well, but it is more or less playable.

[Marmel]

Signed up as Marmel, up to level 5 already!

[chinaski]

i hate putting :(

Putting is really hard, at least for me. Couple things, if you havent already figured it out yet...

the moving highlights on the green grid: The faster they move, the higher degree of angle. The direction they move indicates the direction of the slope. Practice figuring out slope by reading the highlights only, if they aint moving, its basically a dead in putt.

If you want to bring up the green grid lines at anytime (for like chip shots so you can tell how the green looks), use Alt-G.

for all the new players, using the tab key to setup all of your shots is critical. Also, when allocating points, ignore the endurance/stamina stat completely. You can sit on a bench or drink a power drink to regain stamina at anytime, so the fatigue stat is pretty useless right now.

[chinaski]

Oh yea, if you guys want to put me in as your referrer on signup, id appreciate it! :)

username: chinaski

[BrianD]

Anybody up for a match later tonight? I'm at level 5 with a +22 handicap.

[chinaski]

Anybody up for a match later tonight? I'm at level 5 with a +22 handicap.

Im sure i'll be up for one. maybe we can get a FOFC 4 some out there tonight? You can make private room with passwords.

[Balldog]

How long does it take to get to Level 5?

[Balldog]

If you don't mind playing with a newbie I may be able to make it later, like around 10pm EST.

[Marmel]

I've only been able to play 6 hole games.....but I have not walked all around the map yet either.

[chinaski]

How long does it take to get to Level 5?

really fast, you should get to lvl 8 by the end of your first 18 holes.

I just made level 14, but I play with lower level people all the time. The beginner course is pretty easy, so it remains competitive for most all lvl's & handicaps.

[FrogMan]

how long does it take to play a round?

FM

[BrianD]

really fast, you should get to lvl 8 by the end of your first 18 holes.

I just made level 14, but I play with lower level people all the time. The beginner course is pretty easy, so it remains competitive for most all lvl's & handicaps.

Level 8 by the end of the first round? I'm level 5 after 2 rounds. Of course I play alone. Is there really that much of a bonus playing with others?

[chinaski]

how long does it take to play a round?

FM

You can set the shot timelimit to 60, 45, 30 and 15 seconds. So it would at maximum take 60sec a hole per player, but in reality people take about 20 seconds to setup and take their shot. I played 18 holes with a 4 some last night in about 35-40 minutes. Seems like most people prefer a 45 second counter, and im rarely bored waiting for my turn to shoot.

Match play and skin play of course go much faster.

[chinaski]

Level 8 by the end of the first round? I'm level 5 after 2 rounds. Of course I play alone. Is there really that much of a bonus playing with others?


Yea actually, you do get a bonus for playing with better people. So if you get a bogey and some lvl20 with a -1 hdcp gets a bogey with you on the same hole, you might get some exp. I dont know 100% how it works, but its along those lines.

Winning match play holes and skins also gives you XP.

[KWhit]

I joined. KWhit am I.

[Coffee Warlord]

I cannot judge a putt / chip distance to save my soul.

[MJ4H]

I cannot judge a putt / chip distance to save my soul.

Here is what helped me on putting:

10% = 2yds

almost NEVER hit less than 20% though

[MJ4H]

Anyone up for a game now? Ive got some spare time in my office tonight (Im stuck here for another 3 hours because its parent-teacher conference night and I almost never get any parents).

[BrianD]

I cannot judge a putt / chip distance to save my soul.

A 100% putt on a flat green is around 20yds. I have not seen a putt miss because it is moving too fast, so anything under 3yds can be hit straight and fairly hard.

I think a full SW hits about 47yds off of the fairway? You can play the precentages from there. The toughest shots are the 9yd chips off of the fairway. The swing meter moves to quickly for any kind of accuracy.

The other big tip seems to be to hit short on all approach shots and try to use backspin. The green never seems to hold and everything rolls a lot. I'm guessing that will be better when we get to higher levels and our backspin becomes more effective.

[cody8200]

I'm downloading now...I'll be cody8200

[mrkilla22]

I joined as Mrkilla22.

[tucker342]

Oh yea, if you guys want to put me in as your referrer on signup, id appreciate it! :)

username: chinaski
I did:)

[kingfc22]

will check this out later tonight.

[chinaski]

Ill have a private FOFC room open at 7:30pm pst on the beginners course. Itll be named FOFC, password: spackler.

[chinaski]

I did:)

thanks!

[Airhog]

Im creating a private room on beginner now. Name FOFC password trout

[Airhog]

Ill let the room set for the next 5 minutes or so, then I plan on just practicing by myself again

[Balldog]

I'm there, waiting....

[cody8200]

I actually like ti quite a bit. I did the 3 practice holes and got a 34 on the 3 holes the first time around. Of course I've never actually played golf so I didnt know which clubs to use. Secoind time through the 3 practice holes I shot an 11. Par was 10 I think....wooo!

[Airhog]

Balldog: Thats wierd I never saw anyone join. I think once your out on the green you can stop playing and go back and restart.

[Airhog]

Ive gotten my handicap to 20. Ive only played 27 holes though. I tried adding everyone here to my friends list, but it doesnt seem to work.

[chinaski]

CW, Pinetar, Balldog and I ar eplaying 9 holes right now. Try adding me again..

[Airhog]

I already exited out, I might try again tomorrow, since I dont feel like opening the game backup.

Think u could edit the top post with everyones username?

[kingfc22]

downloading now

sn: kingfc22 (surprise)

[HeavyReign]

I was going to try it but when I click on connect the program just disappears instead of connecting to the server.

[Airhog]

I will try to setup another match tomorrow night

[BrianD]

3 hours for a 4-person match? Is this normal?

[Balldog]

I suck :)

[Tasan]

Hey I signed up and used chinaski as the referrer. I'll try to join in some this weekend, my name is tasan on there as well.

[JeeberDMack]

I'll definitely give this a look once I get back into town...

[JHandley]

I am completely lost. I keep going to the practice course, I pay my green fees and then I can't do anything other than hit the same drive off the tee. It's like the game doesn't progress. I hit my drive, it tells me how far it went, and then I go again.

I was able to get to lvl 8 playing on the beginner course, but what happens when I run out of my free admissions? How doI earn other admissions? Do they cost a certain amount of Ng's?

If this is explained in the help, could someone please point me in the right direction?

Thanks.

[Coffee Warlord]

Yeah, just play the beginner course a bunch. It costs some amount of cash every time, but you make more during the course of the match.

My chick has one sexy ass.

[Raven]

Weird things happening for me here.

I played the tutorial just fine. Then I was played out the 3 practice holes with np. Now I am on the grass, and the icons keep flashing on and off. They won't stay up long enough for me to see what to do next, so I finally found how to exit. I'll try again, but I am wondering if this is my video card acting up?

[FrogMan]

I installed the thing but there's something that's not right with it. The text is all garbled, as if it only showed the first three letters of every sentences. Like whe I go to connect, if I enter my username in the field, it'll read something like "qcfqcfqcfqcf" in stead of what I'm typing which is "qcfrogman". Also the button on the right, which I assume should read "confirm" reads "conconcon" and tha "cancel" button read "cancancan"...

Anyway, you see what I mean. I'm able to enter my username and password, and the second screen is much of the same, can't read anything... Didn't spend much time troubleshooting it, but I saw some other people reporting it on their forums...

Anybody else had this problem? If so, did you fix it and how?

FM

[chinaski]

I installed the thing but there's something that's not right with it. The text is all garbled, as if it only showed the first three letters of every sentences. Like whe I go to connect, if I enter my username in the field, it'll read something like "qcfqcfqcfqcf" in stead of what I'm typing which is "qcfrogman". Also the button on the right, which I assume should read "confirm" reads "conconcon" and tha "cancel" button read "cancancan"...

Anyway, you see what I mean. I'm able to enter my username and password, and the second screen is much of the same, can't read anything... Didn't spend much time troubleshooting it, but I saw some other people reporting it on their forums...

Anybody else had this problem? If so, did you fix it and how?

FM

Hey Frogman, I think this might have something to do with your regional settings in windows. Try switching it to somewhere in America (PST or EST)

[FrogMan]

Hey Frogman, I think this might have something to do with your regional settings in windows. Try switching it to somewhere in America (PST or EST)
well, unless I screwed up my settings when I installed Windows, it should be in America, Quebec is in America :D Not picking on you btw... :)

I read something about an east language package or something like that... I'll have to fool with it tonight. I'm kind of worried that it may be my graphic card, cause I got the kind of crappy thing that came with my Compaq Presario, so...

FM

[chinaski]

I am completely lost. I keep going to the practice course, I pay my green fees and then I can't do anything other than hit the same drive off the tee. It's like the game doesn't progress. I hit my drive, it tells me how far it went, and then I go again.

I was able to get to lvl 8 playing on the beginner course, but what happens when I run out of my free admissions? How doI earn other admissions? Do they cost a certain amount of Ng's?

If this is explained in the help, could someone please point me in the right direction?

Thanks.

The first time you log into the game it goes thru the tutorial and explains the difference between the Beginners Course and the Practice Course, im not sure if there is anymore clarification beyond that. Practice course is just a few different practice scenarios: putting green, chipping green, drive range and the actual single golfer practice course. The practice course has its own FAQ that you can get to when youre on that course, but basically on the practice course you can move the ball anmywhere by right clicking on the minimap where you want to drop the ball, then you just practice your shot. You dont get any XP or NG from putzing around on the practice course, but you do from completing the skill challenges on the putting, chipping and driving ranges.

Sounds like you found the Beginners course ok, which is where all the main action goes down (at least for everyone under LVL 20). The green fee for any match on the Beginners course is 1,000 NG (match, skin, stroke - regardless how many holes.. 3, 6, 9, or 18 = 1,000 NG). If you hit just a couple good shots, youre going to make back your green fee pretty quik. So it seems like the beginners course free admissions you start out with are just to get you going, after you play a 18 or more holes with a group, youre going to have a lot of NG.

Hope that helps!

[Marmel]

I am starting to develope a nice touch on this game now. My handicap is down to 13, but in the last 12 holes I played, I got 10 pars and 2 bogeys. Up to level 11. It takes a bit of time to get a feel for the distances and putting, and playing the same course over and over forces you to learn the best way to play different holes.

I am ready for the FOFC Tour!

[JHandley]

I had a problem with text similar to yours, FM. I wasn't gettting the same letters repeating, but about halfway into the sentence, it would...double up. It would print two different lines on top of each other. It wasn't enough to bother me and I could usually figure out what it was trying to say.

I don't imagine it's a problem with your graphic card not being able to handle the load, but it does sound like it might be a driver issue. You might want to reinstall the drivers and see if that clears it up.

[Marmel]

Has anybody spent any of their Ng on equipment yet? I was looking at spikes and gloves and some clubs, but had no idea if I would just be wasting Ng on some of this stuff.

[JHandley]

Chinaski -

Yeah, after I just gave up on the practice course, I was able to get in a few rounds with a couple other people. Seems odd that the beginners course is so cheap to play, having really only played maybe 3-4 rounds, I'm sitting at about 70k. Can't figure out why they have the free admissions. Thanks for the help.

[FrogMan]

I had a problem with text similar to yours, FM. I wasn't gettting the same letters repeating, but about halfway into the sentence, it would...double up. It would print two different lines on top of each other. It wasn't enough to bother me and I could usually figure out what it was trying to say.

I don't imagine it's a problem with your graphic card not being able to handle the load, but it does sound like it might be a driver issue. You might want to reinstall the drivers and see if that clears it up.
I also thought about upgrading the drivers. Might do that tonight, unless FM2005 grabs me and doesn't let go ;)

FM

[chinaski]

well, unless I screwed up my settings when I installed Windows, it should be in America, Quebec is in America :D Not picking on you btw... :)

I read something about an east language package or something like that... I'll have to fool with it tonight. I'm kind of worried that it may be my graphic card, cause I got the kind of crappy thing that came with my Compaq Presario, so...

FM

Aaah, ok. I just know this is a Korean produced game, so i thought maybe they overlooked you Habs :)

I see some garbled text on my end just rarely, and i think that is just untranslated korean they missed.

I think if you go to hxxp://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v5consumer/default.aspx?ln=en-us
you'll find the eastern language pack install.

[HomerJSimpson]

Signed up and downloading. I'm HJSimpson.

[JHandley]

Has anybody spent any of their Ng on equipment yet? I was looking at spikes and gloves and some clubs, but had no idea if I would just be wasting Ng on some of this stuff.


I haven't spent anything because I didn't know how much the green fees for the beginner course was. Now that I do, I may be investing in some clubs, but I haven't been able to figure out what benefits you get from the shoes and gloves. Might be just a cosmetic thing to go along with the RPG portion of the game.

However, I don't get the RPG portion of the game yet at all either. I'm not sure why the designer wanted to make it an RPG instead of simply a great grand golf game. There could have been tours, from expert to beginner. Leagues made up of friends or public leagues. Could have had a wager tour, no prize money, just win whatever you can from the other player.

[Coffee Warlord]

I am starting to develope a nice touch on this game now. My handicap is down to 13, but in the last 12 holes I played, I got 10 pars and 2 bogeys. Up to level 11. It takes a bit of time to get a feel for the distances and putting, and playing the same course over and over forces you to learn the best way to play different holes.

I am ready for the FOFC Tour!

Not yet. Although I did shoot an 81 last night on the beginner course. :)

[chinaski]

I haven't spent anything because I didn't know how much the green fees for the beginner course was. Now that I do, I may be investing in some clubs, but I haven't been able to figure out what benefits you get from the shoes and gloves. Might be just a cosmetic thing to go along with the RPG portion of the game.

However, I don't get the RPG portion of the game yet at all either. I'm not sure why the designer wanted to make it an RPG instead of simply a great grand golf game. There could have been tours, from expert to beginner. Leagues made up of friends or public leagues. Could have had a wager tour, no prize money, just win whatever you can from the other player.

Ive been holding on to my NG's till I hit lvl 20, when you can finally buy new clubs. From what ive seen, new clubs run 100k plus.

The RPG portion of the game is just the advancement of your players skill stats, beyond that it looks like they have some sort of quest system - but its not available yet. I imagine that will be used for completing certain skill challenges, unless they want me to go hunt 10 ground hogs?

Handley, there are tours and everything else you mention (maybe not right this second, but all of that is planned from what i understand). I believe you have to be lvl 20+ to compete in the championship series tour. A Skin game is a great way to win money, I won 9k a hole for 9 holes yesterday! :)

[chinaski]

Has anybody spent any of their Ng on equipment yet? I was looking at spikes and gloves and some clubs, but had no idea if I would just be wasting Ng on some of this stuff.

I think everything is just a cosmetic purchase until you hit level 20. Once you hit 20, you can buy all sorts of stuff that has additional stat enhancements (clubs, clothes, balls, drinks)

I havent spent a cent yet, saving up for new woods!

[vyshka]

Just signed up. Vyshka on there too.

[Schmidty]

Signed up just now. Schmidty, of course.

[chinaski]

I was going to try it but when I click on connect the program just disappears instead of connecting to the server.

weird. did it update itself first? The very first run, it should download 19 small patches.

[kingfc22]

How do I put backspin on my shots? I still can't firgue it out for the life of me.

[DeToxRox]

Signed up. DeToxRox. Havent played it yet tho.

[Marmel]

How do I put backspin on my shots? I still can't firgue it out for the life of me.


From what I can tell there are 2 ways. (1) increase your impact rating and (2) right click on the golf ball (the same one you click to swing), moving the red dot to the bottom of the ball.

I'm a beginner still, so take that advise with a grain of salt.

[kingfc22]

From what I can tell there are 2 ways. (1) increase your impact rating and (2) right click on the golf ball (the same one you click to swing), moving the red dot to the bottom of the ball.

I'm a beginner still, so take that advise with a grain of salt.
Cool, I've been striking the bottom of the ball but it hits the green and just rolls. Of course I'm only a lvl. 3 right now and Woton does not start with any impact skill.

[HeavyReign]

weird. did it update itself first? The very first run, it should download 19 small patches.
It did that. It is after that is done that I click connect and it closes. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling and it still does the same thing.

[Coffee Warlord]

Whoo. Just shot a cool 74.

[chinaski]

Cool, I've been striking the bottom of the ball but it hits the green and just rolls. Of course I'm only a lvl. 3 right now and Woton does not start with any impact skill.
You got the right idea, youre just to low in lvl right now. You really wont be able to put much noticable spin on the ball until you get your impact skill above 10.

[chinaski]

It did that. It is after that is done that I click connect and it closes. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling and it still does the same thing.
The support on the game is pretty sparse right now, the generic answer is to make sure your graphics card drivers and directx are completely up to date. Ive seen a few problems similar to yours get resolved this way, but im not finding anyone with the exact same problem as you :/

[BrianD]

There is some equipment you can buy that adjusts stats. I believe I was looking at some shoes that added a +6 to power and a -6 to impact, or something like that.

[kingfc22]

Lvl. 7 with a 20 handicap

[Airhog]

I have started up another Room FOFC pw is trout again

[NevStar]

Just got a hole-in-one on the 17th at Alfheim! Woo-hoo!

[KWhit]

Why don't you all just go buy Tiger Woods 2004 (it's very cheap, since it's last year's version) and we can play some real golf!

[KWhit]

Well, "real" as in better fake golf.

[Airhog]

we just got done shooting 9. Looking to get another round going!

[Coffee Warlord]

Me and my magic boobs lost the round by 1 stroke. Bah!

[MJ4H]

Why don't you all just go buy Tiger Woods 2004 (it's very cheap, since it's last year's version) and we can play some real golf!

I own TW. I like this better.

[Airhog]

Room is Fofc and Password is Trout

[Airhog]

If we dont get a 3 or 4 some by 8:00cst I plan on justing playing alone or with whoever is there

[Scoobz0202]

I got a +14 on the Beginners Course. ph33r me... or something

[Airhog]

Im in room #905 PW Trout

[KWhit]

I own TW. I like this better.
You're kidding. Why?

[Ramzavail]

I'm Ramzavail, the greens are AWFULLY fast...

I hit 7 and 8 irons on the green and they skip right off like nobodys business, that just doesnt happen.

[chinaski]

I'm Ramzavail, the greens are AWFULLY fast...

I hit 7 and 8 irons on the green and they skip right off like nobodys business, that just doesnt happen. just keep in mind, this is a RPG'ish golf game. Your not going to be able to put any noticeable backspin on the ball until you get your characters stats up, same applies to draws, fades and putting to a smaller degree.

[tucker342]

name is ajtuck in the game

[tucker342]

dola-

putting is fuckin' hard

[Marmel]

Shot my best 18 hole score to date: +6

[Balldog]

Anyone down for a round sometime today, I may need a break from studying sometime :)

[Airhog]

balldog: I would be up for one, I saw you online earlier, but you were in a game. should be around until 1 or 2

[Balldog]

I'm on again.

[Airhog]

Ive got a few tips.

1. Your handicap only changes when you play 18 holes. Doesnt look like playing any other number affects it, but I am not sure if you havent played any holes yet.

2. Stats - There are three stats that you should become familiar with. Power, Skill and Impact. Stamina is the 4th skill, but it is worthless right now since energy drinks will decrease your fatigue. Power makes your shots go farther, impact makes them go higer, and this causes your balls to bounce less on the greens and also when you are not dead on, your balls will hook and slice less. Skill allows you to put more draw and fade on your ball. A ratio of about 3 power: 2 impact : 2 skill is a pretty good ratio for new players.

3. Clubs Dont bother buying the level 21 clubs, everyone agrees they are worthless. Go for the lvl25 clubs which are 900,000. Everyone says to only get the irons and wedges. There are two types of clubs worth buying I believe +6 power -6 impact, and -6 power +6 impact. decide which clubs you plan to buy, and focus on improving the other stat more to compensate. I dont know the ratios, but they dont match your skill levels.

4. 2 piece vs. 3 piece balls - 2 peice balls are said to be more stable, and 3 piece goes farther. I wouldnt buy 3 piece balls until you reach a higher level, and have more impact skill to compensate.

5. Putters - AFAIK the better putters only seem to increase your range, so this may not be worth upgrading IMO

6. Clouds decrease your range by 10% or so.

8. Use the tab key to show where your ball will land. Use Alt-G to show the slope. If you hit alt-G then hold down just the G key as your let go of Alt, the slope meter will stick.

7. Finally, dont try to overplay, as a beginner your range sucks, and so does your aim. Don't get fancy. Just aim for the middle of the greens, lay up short on par 5's that you cant drive to in 3. And always aim for the front of the green. Your ball will really bounce starting out, especially with the lower numbered clubs. Doing this alone should help. These tips have all helped my game, which has gone from a +28 handicap down to a +12 handicap :)

[SirFozzie]

Registered: SirFozzie

[Balldog]

Airhog - it's says you are "Square" where is that?

[henry296]

Square - probably All Square which means tied in a match play event

[Airhog]

square means you are out in the game world walking around. That friends list isnt all the reliable I have found, especially after you have been there awhile.

[Airhog]

I created a room its FOFC pw is trout

[Balldog]

That is what I was thinking it meant....

[Airhog]

gg balldog and MJ4H. would have been a totally different match had you not self destructed on the 11th :D

[MJ4H]

gg balldog and MJ4H. would have been a totally different match had you not self destructed on the 11th :D

GRRRRR

[Balldog]

I think I 3 putted almost every hole!

[Airhog]

It would be nice if the stats actually worked right so you could tell.

[Marmel]

Double experience rounds are so nice. :)

How are you guys doing as far as levels and handicap?

I am level 16 with a +8.

[chinaski]

Just hit lvl 16 yesterday, with my +28 hdcp still. Ive only played 18 holes once, im hoping to get another 18 in soon.

[Balldog]

Level - 10
Handicap - +24
Power - 11
Impact - 11
Stamina - 6
Skill - 10

[kingfc22]

Lvl 11, +16

[Coffee Warlord]

Level 12, Power: 12, Impact: 12, Stamina: 6, Skill: 12

7 Handicap. Muah.

[BrianD]

What is the point of a +6 -6 club if you have to compensate with your stats. Why wouldn't you just skip the club and not worry about compensating? Now a +6 -3 club, that would be worthwhile.

[RainRaven]

character name is RainRaven... anyone up for a round soon?

[Celeval]

What is the point of a +6 -6 club if you have to compensate with your stats. Why wouldn't you just skip the club and not worry about compensating? Now a +6 -3 club, that would be worthwhile.
+6 -6 driver
-6 +6 iron

[Airhog]

and the +6 -6 doesnt match the player stats, or so I have heard...

[kingfc22]

Just had my best round to date. An 80 and it would have been better if I didn't double 15,16 and 18. :(

[MJ4H]

Level 15

Power - 24
Impact - 11
Stamina - 6
Skill - 7

Handicap +7

I'll be upgrading my skill over the next few levels, in tandem with power. Target is 33-11-(6)-11 for me. I usually play pretty darn well and blow a good score on one hole. It's aggraviting. Yesterday I left a tee shot hanging on the lip on hole #3 of the Beginner's course (the A one whatever the name is). And then last night I knocked one in from about 90 yds out. If I could just stop tilting off 8-11 shots on one random hole, I'd be doing great.

In answer of why I like this better than Tiger Woods, it is deeper, more open ended, and more fun. I actually think the ball physics when the ball contacts the ground are much better, and the method for reading green contour is terrific. Putting is much more dynamic and challenging than in Tiger (when I could pretty much make a putt at will - maybe it could get that way in this game, but it sure isn't showing any signs of it for me). I also like the fact that this game will be evolving and changing over time, adding new elements, events, etc. The way it is looking, if this isn't too expensive, I will probably be paying when the beta ends. Only if it is fairly cheap, though.

[Airhog]

Im haging out in the FOFC room. PW: trout for anyone that wants a game :)

[Airhog]

MJ4H: I have a strong feeling this game will remain free, and the pay option will only be for added content. I've read there is only a few hundred people that play, so it doesnt seem like enough to support itself with a pay only model.

That said, my character has

17 Power
9 Impact
8 Skill

I think im gonna go with a 3:2:2 ratio, so we will see.

[Airhog]

I apologize, i was off on my ratio above. it should have been 3:2. some people also suggest a small ratio like 5:4:3 or 4:3:2. It really depends on your preference.

[KWhit]

In answer of why I like this better than Tiger Woods, it is deeper, more open ended, and more fun. I actually think the ball physics when the ball contacts the ground are much better, and the method for reading green contour is terrific. Putting is much more dynamic and challenging than in Tiger (when I could pretty much make a putt at will - maybe it could get that way in this game, but it sure isn't showing any signs of it for me).
I disagree with almost all of that. Interesting. I have only played a couple of rounds of shot-online, but I find the physics to be much better in TW. I like that I can choose what type of shot to hit (flop, chip, pitch, etc), and much prefer the True-swing type of play to the click three times swing method in S-O. I'll agree that putting is more difficult (at least so far), but I don't really like to 4 or 5 putt green so that's not really a bonus for me.

I'll probably give s-o another try, but so far I prefer the realism in TW.

[Havok]

I'll agree that putting is more difficult (at least so far), but I don't really like to 4 or 5 putt green so that's not really a bonus for me.


well, if you master putting in only a couple rounds what fun would that be?

Putting is tough.... but it should be tough. Im much better now and getting bettter every time i play. Just remember..... 10% = 2 yards and you'll be ok.

[BrianD]

well, if you master putting in only a couple rounds what fun would that be?

Putting is tough.... but it should be tough. Im much better now and getting bettter every time i play. Just remember..... 10% = 2 yards and you'll be ok.

I have still never made a long putt. I did play against someone that nailed a number of 15-20 yard putts, but that was the only person I've seen put well. The contour of the green everywhere between the ball and the hole affect the putt. This is realistic and makes it pretty difficult. I've also noticed that aiming with the arrow keys is not as good as using the mouse for putting. I was on the practice green where you get the same putt over and over, and I could never make the 20-yd putt by aiming with the arrows.

A nice iron-shot tip is to watch the weather. Clouds really do drop 10% of your distance, and sun and > 27C temperature does add 10% to your shot. The wind definitely moves the ball as well. Lots of factors involved in lining up the perfect shot.

Do people swing with the mouse buttons, or the spacebar? I've found the spacebar to be much more responsive, but that could just be my laptop mouse buttons.

[Airhog]

had my best round to date 78. would have been a 75 but I triple bogeyed the last hole grrrr


Best round on Alf is now a 73.

[MJ4H]

That last hole sucks. I just finished my best round, too. 73. I actually birdied the last hole!

My handicap is down to +4 now.

[Havok]

my handicap is like +18 still at level 12. But i've only finished 18 holes 3 times (and the first 2 times i sucked). I think mine should be around +8-10 now, maybe lower.

My names PureHavok ingame, the only fofc'er i've seen online is Marmel so far and he left the group i was gonna play in before it got started.

[kingfc22]

Going on right now...

[chinaski]

just got a hole in one on the 3rd hole!

[Airhog]

Just so you know, You only get double experience, if you start your match during the dbl exp timeframe. If your already in a match, it doesnt affect it. If you wait around until just before the event starts, then go in, your guaranteed to get a match with some people that have more levels than you. This will give you even more Exp if they shoot a good round also.

[ahbrady]

I just played my first game, and I think I've finally found something I'm worse at than real golf. I did enjoy it though, so I'll try again later. Hopefully I'll improve some.

[Airhog]

Im gonna setup a match right after 7 on Alf for double EXP. If anyone wants to join, meet up near the cart by the beginners course. If I dont see anyone from here on there, I might just join someones instead.

[atatange1]

lvl 4 and I'm really bad. name: atatange1 At what level would you guys recommend spending Ng I doubt getting new club's would make a difference now but when should I start?

[chinaski]

lvl 4 and I'm really bad. name: atatange1 At what level would you guys recommend spending Ng I doubt getting new club's would make a difference now but when should I start?
there's really no reason to spend any of your NG until at least lvl 20. You cant buy new clubs till lvl 20, i think.

[Airhog]

room will be FOFC PW: trout

[Celeval]

heh. tried to join but it kept booting me back out to the main room area.

Off now anyhow, maybe I'll actually catch a room sometime instead of creating a solo one for practice. ;)

[Airhog]

Celeval: if it does that, then the match is already in progress and cannot be joined. I got booted on the eleventh with a -2 score, that sucks. Oh well

[chinaski]

Celeval: if it does that, then the match is already in progress and cannot be joined. I got booted on the eleventh with a -2 score, that sucks. Oh well
gg AH, you were handling us easily. It booted Killa and I as well.

[Airhog]

That sucks chinaski. I knew I probably would be forced to leave early, but I didnt want it too end like that!

[kingfc22]

anybody for a round?

[BrianD]

I just finished my best ever round, a -3 69. The round included a chip-in, and my first ever eagle opportunity, followed closely by my first ever eagle.

My stats are level 12, handicap of +6 and 17-9-(7)-9.

[Airhog]

Im going to try to setup a match every night this week at 7pm. I will keep the room open until 7:10 and then we will start.

The double Experience event will be going on until thursday folks, and even at level 15 I was easily getting 2.5 levels every 18 holes.

[Marmel]

Im going to try to setup a match every night this week at 7pm. I will keep the room open until 7:10 and then we will start.

The double Experience event will be going on until thursday folks, and even at level 15 I was easily getting 2.5 levels every 18 holes.


Damn, anyway you can make it a bit later? I usually don't get home until 8. Maybe 1 or two night a late start? :)

[Airhog]

7pm cst just in case you were wondering Marmel. I could, but my gf gets home at 8, and she would frown on this. We have a big enough group of players, that I am sure you could get some action at 8. The double exp events last from 7-9cst, and as long as you start the event, you'll get the exp :)


Also, would people be interested in a Fofc tournament? I am thinking about having a tourney where everyone submits their 4 best rounds via a screenshot. Another thing we could do is have a skins tournament. Make the stakes low like 1000 or 2000 a hole, and play like 9 holes or something. I think it would be a lot easier to schedule a skins tournament then it would be to schedule a strokes tournament played live.

[Scoobz0202]

I really wish it could be live...maybe give the group a specific amount of time to get together and play a round... The people that play 20 hours a day could get way too many opportunities to get a good score :)

[Airhog]

I was actually thinking about breaking it into 2 groups. Levels 1-10, and Levels 11+ for the first type of tournament. The second type of matches would just be randomly seeded I think. The only reason I like the second tournament is cash is involved :D It would be really different to do the first type of tournament for money.

[Scoobz0202]

Or just have one tournament, and set the minimum level at 10. You can get to level 8 in one round of 18, at least 6 or 7.

[Raven]

I'm still having major issues playing the game, can anyone help me out?

Once in the world screen, everything is screwed up. Game freezes for a few seconds (very often), the icons aren't appearing, my character can't been seen on the screen, FAQ's list isn't there. Every once in a while, things will appear correctly for a half a second. I have to hover my mouse over where the beginners course icon should be, and catch it at the right moment when it appears. If I click while it's there, it let's me on the course. Once I get on the course, everything plays perfectly fine.

My PC specs all meet the recommended. I have the latest directx drivers.

My video card is NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64 Pro. I tried downloading the correct drivers from NVIDIA's website, and I found the file that says it supports this model, but when I run the program it says it can't find any drivers compatible with my hardware. Any ideas?

[Airhog]

Okay, for the first tournament, it will go on from now, until this friday at 11:59pm cst. Send your screen captures to me at Airhogg at yahoo dot com. Include the level you were at when you took the first capture as that will determine which group you play in. I decided to alter the levels a bit. 1-13 is the lower level, and 14+ is the higher level. I think most scores start to come down around there. You can play alone or in a group, it just has to be all 18 holes, and a stroke match.


The skins match will take some more work, and I'd like some more input before forging ahead.

[Havok]

i just shot a +3 a few mins ago :)

[Tasan]

I just shot a +31 on my first 18 holes! yikes. I like it though.

[kingfc22]

Just played 9 holes on Fensalir and WOW!!!! That course is 100 times tougher than the Alheilm or whatever they call it. The greens have so many different slopes. Yeesh.

545 yd. par 5 on one of the holes. Took me 4 shots just to reach the green and I'm LVL 15.

[Marmel]

7pm cst just in case you were wondering Marmel. I could, but my gf gets home at 8, and she would frown on this. We have a big enough group of players, that I am sure you could get some action at 8. The double exp events last from 7-9cst, and as long as you start the event, you'll get the exp :)


Also, would people be interested in a Fofc tournament? I am thinking about having a tourney where everyone submits their 4 best rounds via a screenshot. Another thing we could do is have a skins tournament. Make the stakes low like 1000 or 2000 a hole, and play like 9 holes or something. I think it would be a lot easier to schedule a skins tournament then it would be to schedule a strokes tournament played live.

I was assuming EST, so this works out perfect for me. Thanks.

[Marmel]

Okay, for the first tournament, it will go on from now, until this friday at 11:59pm cst. Send your screen captures to me at Airhogg at yahoo dot com. Include the level you were at when you took the first capture as that will determine which group you play in. I decided to alter the levels a bit. 1-13 is the lower level, and 14+ is the higher level. I think most scores start to come down around there. You can play alone or in a group, it just has to be all 18 holes, and a stroke match.


The skins match will take some more work, and I'd like some more input before forging ahead.


Here is an idea for a skins match, though it might be tough to get everyone together at the same time...

8 players split into 2 groups, Skin amount =x. Course = alfheim.
Top 2 skins winners from each 4-some go on to play in the finals, Skin amount = 2x, course = Felsair.

Edit: or for ease of scheduling purposes get 8 participants and have a single elimination skins tournament (like ncaa brackets where the skins match is just heads up). Take the first 8 sign ups, randomly seed people and see who wins (this is more like match play, but same concept.)

[Airhog]

I love the second idea. Since you wouldnt have to play them all at the same time.

Im thinking that it might be fun to double the amount for each hole, each round. Like 1000ng the first round 2000ng the second round and 4000ng the final round. Although instead of 18 holes, 9 may work better here.

[Airhog]

The double exp event is still on for 7 tonight, however they have changed the course it is being played on. Fensalir. Of course, you get alot more exp playing here, or so I have heard. Hopefully we can still make 4, but I must warn you, this course is quite difficult compared to Alf. Should be fun though, and it will be my first time playing here. :)

[BrianD]

The double exp event is still on for 7 tonight, however they have changed the course it is being played on. Fensalir. Of course, you get alot more exp playing here, or so I have heard. Hopefully we can still make 4, but I must warn you, this course is quite difficult compared to Alf. Should be fun though, and it will be my first time playing here. :)

I've got a class tonight, but I've love to join in tomorrow's event.

[Airhog]

Nice game Marmel. That putt you sunk from way out yonder with three breaks in the green was sweet.

[Airhog]

Im thinking that for tomorrow, if we have enough people we should split up into 2 groups of 3, instead of one group of 4.

I shot a +10 on Fensair, which is pretty good I think. I definately think Ill hit lvl 21 by the end of the week.

[Havok]

we need a late night crew for me to join :)

[Marmel]

That was a good match Airhog. I am 83% to level 21 after playing some 6000K skins against a couple of 21 level guys. Held my own.

[Airhog]

Another tip. Playing at courses other then Alf, doesnt seem to affect your Handicap.

[Marmel]

Airhog, i can't private message you even when it says you are online, the pm says you are not. Anyway, i am not convinced your handicap ever goes up...

[Airhog]

Marmel: Try using a capital A when you msg me. It seems you have to use case to IM someone. Looks like a bug to me.

[Havok]

someone change my username on the frontpage.........

its PureHavok not Havok12

[MJ4H]

Im thinking that for tomorrow, if we have enough people we should split up into 2 groups of 3, instead of one group of 4.

I shot a +10 on Fensair, which is pretty good I think. I definately think Ill hit lvl 21 by the end of the week.

Just so you know we had 2 groups last night.

[Jon]

signed up.
Username= LawyerJon

[Scoobz0202]

Just so you know we had 2 groups last night.
and you took your beating like a man... http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Airhog]

Mj4h: i wasnt sure. I know that chinaski joined mine, but I wasnt sure if another group formed after we started.

[Celeval]

I don't think I've posted my name - 'Celeval' (surprisingly). Played a good bit, but only solo so I think I'm level 8 or 9.

[Mike1409]

I'm still having major issues playing the game, can anyone help me out?

Once in the world screen, everything is screwed up. Game freezes for a few seconds (very often), the icons aren't appearing, my character can't been seen on the screen, FAQ's list isn't there. Every once in a while, things will appear correctly for a half a second. I have to hover my mouse over where the beginners course icon should be, and catch it at the right moment when it appears. If I click while it's there, it let's me on the course. Once I get on the course, everything plays perfectly fine.

My PC specs all meet the recommended. I have the latest directx drivers.

My video card is NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64 Pro. I tried downloading the correct drivers from NVIDIA's website, and I found the file that says it supports this model, but when I run the program it says it can't find any drivers compatible with my hardware. Any ideas?

I have the exact same problem.

[Airhog]

Great Game Marmel. Im gonna try to make it tomorrow night. However, those 3 hour games are killing me. Maybe i should reduce the clock to 30 seconds :D

[Raven]

Mike1409, if you find a solution, let me know!

[Marmel]

Great Game Marmel. Im gonna try to make it tomorrow night. However, those 3 hour games are killing me. Maybe i should reduce the clock to 30 seconds :D

Yes, another great match lastnight.
They are running a bit long. I don't have a problem with a 30 second clock.

[Balldog]

I'd be more inclined to play if we played 9 holes.

That being said, I may be home tonight and tomorrow night available to tee it up.

[KWhit]

I agree. I'd like a 6 or 9 hole game.

[mrkilla22]

Yeah, great match Airhog and Marmel. :)

[chinaski]

Ill be up for a game tonight for sure...

New update coming the 25th, heres the details...
http://www.shot-online.com/event_body3.html

[Airhog]

okay, tonight we will play 9 holes then, and if anyone is up for a second nine, we will play that also :)

[Balldog]

What time? I was thinking about heading out around 9pm EST.

[MacroGuru]

I will be on for quite a while tonight....it will be around 9 pm EST....

[chinaski]

Just shot a -6, 66 on Alf. By far my best score ever.

[streetballer22]

Just signed up, streetballer67

[thealmighty]

I'm in...thealmighty.


I suck. Shot 91 at level 6.

[Airhog]

well my computer is running, so look for me online again tonight at 7pm for another double exp event. They also extended the deadline two days, so we will probably play one tomorrow night.

[Airhog]

looks like this thread is dead!

[Airhog]

Ill try to make it early tonight, If I dont see any FOFC'rs online, then Ill just shoot with someone else

[Balldog]

I'll be on in about 5 minutes, need to make a call and do some business real quick. I can only play 9 though.

[Airhog]

Ball: 9 works for me 18 holes is just too much with anymore than 2 players

[Balldog]

Ah shit, my bad man. Phone call took a lot longer than I thought then I got busy doing other crap.

[Marmel]

I have a new character....MarmelReborn

[MJ4H]

Why?

[Marmel]

I am playing worst and worst and need a new start. I gave myself way too many points on stamina and skill as well, which really makes my player suck. :(

It is fun trying to level up again though.

[Airhog]

Marmel: I would reccomend going with a 4:3 ratio of power:stamina, or a 3:2 ratio. I think a good number for skill is probably 15 at the most, at least until you get fairly high, but thats just my opinion there. You might read some of the threads over at the Shot online Pro club. They have some good advice on character builds. I consider myself lucky that I never pumped any stats into stamina, but my skill is 13. I dont consider it a liability at all though, and I can notice a difference between that and when I had it at 9 or 10.

[Marmel]

I'm playing with Neuq and already am doing much better at level 9. Thanks for the advice Airhog, I reading some of those threads and realized I wasted a lot of points.

[Airhog]

Good to hear. I feel like Ive invested too much time into this character. I will be around at 1 tomorrow for the morning double EXP event. Look for me then guys if you feel like a round or 2. Its my goal to hit lvl 21 tomorrow :D

[Marmel]

I'll be there, sometime around 1. If you cant get a good group together, give me a few minutes before you start..

[Neuqua]

Marm, find me on AIM when you guys start playing and I'll join.

I know I'll forget otherwise.

[Marmel]

Marm, find me on AIM when you guys start playing and I'll join.

I know I'll forget otherwise.


I'll probably 'forget' to find you online.

Oh, and let the record show I bet you by 43 strokes. Still not as much as the 90 point NCAA football beating I gave you, but not all that bad either.

[Airhog]

okay, im waiting for the event to start. This time Ill give ya some time to get online Marmel :D

[Marmel]

Starting in a few minutes, password for room FOFC is trout

[Airhog]

still needing one more, we are gonna start soon if no-one else shows up

[3ric]

Registered and played some yesterday - it's fun, but I'm not sure I have the patience for 18 holes, waiting for slow players and connection lags. Oh well, I'm 3Ric over there too...

[thealmighty]

Every time I start a round with a group, they begin to drop out after a few holes. Is this normal or am I just unlucky.

XP suck alone.

[Marmel]

Watch out, I'm back to playing good. :D

[Airhog]

Ill be looking for ya marmel.

Im just starting to get pissed at the game some. I hate how the slightest uphill lie affects your ball way to much. It also discourages me to see them add new content, but not fix some of the obvious bugs with the game. Thats really my biggest pet peeve. I still need to hook up with Mj4H and play our round.

[Marmel]

FYI, new update is available.

[JPhillips]

I'm in as Adler. Its very fun. Solo play Xps really do suck though.

[thealmighty]

Are people still playing this??

Is there any benefit to wearing clothes? Glove? Shoes, etc... at levels below 21 or so?? Nothing I have seen gives any bonus to the wearer, or maybe that will be added later.

(BTW, I finally got a hole-in-one. Gives you a $100,000 bonus.)

I started over as I screwed the point alocation with 'thealmighty.' Now playing as AlMighty if anyone wants to round (as they call it).

[chinaski]

Are people still playing this??

Is there any benefit to wearing clothes? Glove? Shoes, etc... at levels below 21 or so?? Nothing I have seen gives any bonus to the wearer, or maybe that will be added later.

(BTW, I finally got a hole-in-one. Gives you a $100,000 bonus.)

I started over as I screwed the point alocation with 'thealmighty.' Now playing as AlMighty if anyone wants to round (as they call it).
I still play every day.

No, theres no benefit to wearing *most* of the clothing, there are some that give stat bonuses, but everything else is cosmetic only.

I saw the ticker go by when you got the hole in one! I tried to congratulate you, but I think i misspelled your name. Congrats! I hit one not too long ago too, on that same hole. It gives so much XP, it even lvl'd up the other 3 people i was playing with =)

[Marmel]

I've been playing just about every day. Shot a -6 yesterday which is my best score yet.

[MJ4H]

I play about every other day or so. I'm 95% of the way to level 23 right now. My handicap is now -3.

[3ric]

I'm level 8 now, but my handicap is still 28... shot an 86 today.

[Sublime 2]

JProElement - me

[Mike1409]

Almighty-Good game last night!

[kingfc22]

Up to Lvl. 18 now. HDCP +8

[thealmighty]

Almighty-Good game last night!
Thanks. You too (aside from the fact that I really did suck. :p ).

[RGunner]

K-Fed is me, me and neuq have played a couple times, i just recently finished my first 18 holes and got a solid + high 30's lol

[thealmighty]

Questions for whomever...

Where do you go to play when you are tired of Alf/Fen (what course)?
I was on a bench when I got a popup that said "SOSO wants to trade with you. Do you accept?" Is this legit or a scam (or 50% one, 50% other)? If I accept without knowledge of what it is, can I get screwed, or is there a negate in the window?
Thanks.

(I am level 18, if it matters)

[PineTar]

My personal favorite course is NamChon CC, located in the real courses section.

[Marmel]

Got down to -10 on Alfheim after an amazing birdie run and a chip in Eagle from about 100 yards out. Then completely choked and fell to -6 before getting a bird on the 18th and finishing at -7, an all time best for me.

[thealmighty]

Posted my first under par round yesterday. Of course, I still hit into the trees or a bunker WAY too much.

[3ric]

I'm level 12 now, shot an 82 on Alfheim... it felt more of an achievement when I managed to shoot 98 on one of the intermediate courses, I think it was the parklands course, whatever it's called... :p damn those are hard!

[vex]

No clue what's going on. I'm "vexroid".

Will d/l tonight.

[Radii]

are people still playing this?

[Marmel]

Most nights i play a round.

[Neuqua]

I usually try to get a round in every other day or so.

[thealmighty]

I still play at least every other day, but I am having problems with the game since that last update...kicks me off, it seems, every time I play.

[kingfc22]

I play about 3-4 times a week. I'm lvl. 21 now.

[PineTar]

I still play at least every other day, but I am having problems with the game since that last update...kicks me off, it seems, every time I play.

Yep, getting that too.

[Radii]

I joined as Radii, messed around with the training some last night, looks interesting, I'll have to try to get a round in soon on the beginner course :)

[MJ4H]

I play a couple of times a week maybe. Only about halfway to level 24, though.

[Radii]

I played a 9 hole course with 3 people during lunch, that worked out pretty nice, took just about an hour. I made it to level 5. I was up against a level 14 and a level 21, the level 21 was inept with the putter, I thought I had a chance to beat him, but in the end I was +8 and he was +4. I'm up to over 10,000 ng after pretty much just this and a round of putting last night giving me cash.

[kingfc22]

Is there any advantage playing with amateur clubs instead of beginner clubs after reaching amateur status? I know there is no increase in stats, but do they "play" better since it matches my status? Just wondering because since I hit Lvl. 21, it seems to me that I'm not able to move the ball in the air as much as I used to.

[vex]

Anyone still playing? I just started up a few days ago and I love it, although I'm horrible.

[Radii]

I've been playing a little bit, up to level 11 and still horrible :) its a fun game so far.

[thealmighty]

Ok, anyone still with this, I have a question?

What clubs did you get (woods, irons, wedges, putter?) when you got to level 25, or whenever you bought some new ones? I just hit 25 and need some sage advice.

Thanks.

[chinaski]

Ok, anyone still with this, I have a question?

What clubs did you get (woods, irons, wedges, putter?) when you got to level 25, or whenever you bought some new ones? I just hit 25 and need some sage advice.

Thanks.
Buy the whole lvl 25 iron set, SW, AW, PW (SW is used the most, i rarely use the AW/PW), stick with the stock putter, driver and woods. If you can afford the stat impact the 3w or 5w gives you, they are worth it, but just barely.

[Radii]

Level 11 still, haven't played much in a week or so, but i just played alfheim solo to get a quick round in, and shot +3, by far my best yet. Only 4 bogeys and FINALLY a birdie on 18, after missing 4 birdie putts and 1 par putt by less than a yard on 5 consecutive holes starting around hole 8. That dropped my handicap from +22 to +12, fun fun! Hopefully tomorrow night I can play 18 in a group and get a level or two.

[3ric]

Ugh, I hate the 18th hole on Alfheim. I always end up hitting a tree and getting OOB.