NFL Week 2 Discussion

[TroyF]

TD for LT. Third and one and everyone on Denver goes for the FB and doesn't pay attentioin to LT. That's poor coaching there. Very poor coaching.

[AlexB]

Vick makes something out of nothing, and Jenkins lets the ball slip through his hands... Bring back Peerless Price!

[Antmeister]

Woohooo, looking good for San Diego. Okay it's still way too early, but I hope they spank those Broncos. I am sick of losing at their house.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Im sick of Seeing either Oakland or San Diego and The Eagles week in and week out.

[cthomer5000]

Pennington is simply frightening to watch right now.

[TroyF]

Woohooo, looking good for San Diego. Okay it's still way too early, but I hope they spank those Broncos. I am sick of losing at their house.


Looking really good for SD right now. The Broncos wasted their early domination, both in TOP and the score.

The defense is playing pretty poorly right now. I like what the offense is doing, but they aren't putting points up. A huge third down coming up here. Third and 11. You have to find Gates and you have to force the punt here. The Chargers look like they are in complete control of this game right now.

And Brees gets a prayer answered. Horrible.

[cthomer5000]

The Jets offensive line is finally opening up some holes. Derrick Blaylock is looking greath in the #2 role, easing the decision to let LaMont Jordan walk (the only thing they could do).

[TroyF]

14-3 Chargers. Barring a miracle comeback, it's time to just implode this Bronco team and it's time to fire Shanahan. Too much talent on this team to be playing like this. Denver dominates the first quarter and is down 14-3 late in the second?

This team is a joke right now.

[TroyF]

It just gets better and better. Our best RB on this team is now hurt because Shanahan insists on not playing him at running back and putting him on the kick team. Nice call there Mike.

[AlexB]

Jerramy Stevens just made a class catch for a TD on a nice 45yd bomb from Hasselbeck - 21 zip Seahawks over a toothless Falcons. Shaun Alexander and Darrell Jackson are having their way with the Atlanta D.

The TD is under review, but it will stand

[cthomer5000]

The "Holy Roller" rule just came into effect and the Jets turned the ball over on downs at the 1 yard line. Martin fumbled the ball while trying to score (reaching for the goal line) on 4th and 1. He fumbled, it was batted around, and Jerald Sowell recovered for the (apparent) touchdown. It was overruled a second later and the ball went over on downs.

argh.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

I envy you guys with that NFL direct package. I'm limited to watching the Chargersvs. Broncos game. But alas The History Channel is showing The Vietnam War marathon.

[TroyF]

Jerramy Stevens just made a class catch for a TD on a nice 45yd bomb from Hasselbeck - 21 zip Seahawks over a toothless Falcons. Shaun Alexander and Darrell Jackson are having their way with the Atlanta D.

The TD is under review, but it will stand

That was a great catch. Seattle just lighting Atlanta up. The Hawks are abusing Atlantas nickle back today.

[Cringer]

Packers just got screwed out of a fumble recovery because the ref called it the RB down. Dumbass, he fumbled way before he got near the ground.

The Packers are just....blaaah. Thats the best way to describe them. The offense stalls, the defense makes penalties.

[TroyF]

Denver just looks horrible. the players are playing "stupid" Sorry, but that's coaching as much as the players. I've been a Shanahan apologist for awhile now. It's time to make a change. This team is going nowhere and it looks like half the team has simply quit. They deserve to be 0-2 after today.

Two games in and it's about time to start cheering for a high draft pick.

[Daimyo]

Nice win for the Colts. You know the offense will come around (not playing top tier defenses will help there!), but its nice to know the defense can actually win games for them now.

[Schmidty]

Denver just looks horrible. the players are playing "stupid" Sorry, but that's coaching as much as the players. I've been a Shanahan apologist for awhile now. It's time to make a change. This team is going nowhere and it looks like half the team has simply quit. They deserve to be 0-2 after today.

Two games in and it's about time to start cheering for a high draft pick.

Try being a Lion fan sometime. Shanahan would be the greatest coach in Lions history. :(

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Nice win for the Colts. You know the offense will come around (not playing top tier defenses will help there!), but its nice to know the defense can actually win games for them now.
I was surprised at the end score being so low, but congrats to them and their D. :D

[TroyF]

Nice pass there Drew.

Good lord. . .

[TroyF]

Try being a Lion fan sometime. Shanahan would be the greatest coach in Lions history. :(

I tell Bronco fans all the time how spoiled we are. Really spoiled. a bad season over the last twenty years or so has been 8-8. (a couple worse ones, but not many)

It's about time for the collapse to happen. And it's looking more and more like this year will be the start of it.

Unless, that is, we can get Drew Brees to keep hitting Champ Bailey in perfect stride for TD's. My God that was a horrible play by the Chargers. I don't know what happened. If it was a miscommunication or if Brees made a poor read, but that was Kelly Stoufer ugly.

[Cringer]

I'm a girl.

Started to get teary-eyed watching Reggie White's widow as they retired his number and unveiled his number in the ring of fame.

[TroyF]

DOLA, The replay showed that that was all Drew Brees there. Eyed his WR the entire way and threw a duck. Wow. I think the ONLY way Denver had a prayer in this game was a defensive or special teams TD. They needed the crowd involved and they needed a spark.

And Brees gives them one on the first play of the second half. My God.

[AlexB]

Three plays after missing Crumpler horribly while free in the end zone, Vick puts lovely touch on a short pass to Finneran. 21-7

[Cringer]

Second half starts, Browns up 13-7 on Packers.

Come on Pack, lets do something on offense.

[AlexB]

They keep talking about which two teams some of the UK players would like to see at Wembley - Woot! sounds like the NFL have promised a regular season game to be staged over here!

I can get to a third NFL game without spending nearly $1000 to do so!

[TroyF]

The Denver defense looks possessed right now. They look like they were told they'd be treated like the Iraqi soccer team if they didn't play with fire. A missed FG by Elam, but the Broncos are driving again, down 14-10.

SD possessions in the third quarter:

1) 1 play, INT returned for TD
2) 3 plays and out, punt
3) 3 plays, fumble

[TroyF]

And Denvers offensive response:

1) 3 plays, missed FG
2) 3 plays, INT.

Nice job Jake.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Defense is keeping Denver alive.

[TroyF]

Defense is keeping Denver alive.


No doubt about it. They are dominating in this second half. It's not that the Chargers are struggling on offense (like happened for a drive or two in the first half), Denver is just suffocating right now.

Whatever happened to that Leonard Little drunk driving charge?

I see he's still playing. I thought the second DUI was going to put him in jail for awhile.

[Cringer]

Dilfer to Braylon Edwards for a TD. Edwards is one speedy mofo.

[Fouts]

Chargers need a score, they are lucky to be leading still. Brees isn't making me confident in the Chargers chances this year.

[miami_fan]

The Dolphins' offense seems to have come back to reality. The defense is paying well but I think they are giving Pennington too much credit right now. They need to load up on the run and force the Jets to pass

[TroyF]

Chargers need a score, they are lucky to be leading still. Brees isn't making me confident in the Chargers chances this year.


They shouldn't be leading. Denver should not only be winning this game, they should be winning it by two scores or more. 2 missed field goals, a fumble on the one yard line and getting taken out of field goal range twice with stupid penalties. Just an amazingly ugly performence by the Broncos. Their second in a row.

That said, the defense is just playing out of their mind right now. I can't think of a more dominating half of D than I've seen thus far this half.

They are putting pressure on the QB, suffocating the WR and Tomlinson doesn't have even a tiny crease to run through. Will the offense make a play or not?

I'm leaning on no right now. But if the defense keeps giving them enough chances, eventually you'd figure they'd make a play.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

No doubt about it. They are dominating in this second half. It's not that the Chargers are struggling on offense (like happened for a drive or two in the first half), Denver is just suffocating right now.

Whatever happened to that Leonard Little drunk driving charge?

I see he's still playing. I thought the second DUI was going to put him in jail for awhile.
He's an Athlete/celebrity thus making him a Demi-God, and immune to charges like the rest of us. ;)

[Fouts]

When Jake called a timeout, the announcer said SD is playing 6 DB's now. Everyone should be double covered!

[Cringer]

I really am starting to dislike Robert Furgeson. I hope him and Favre get on the same page again sometime soon....

[AlexB]

Woohoo! Dolphins TD - Gus Frerotte to McMichael - 10:7 early in the 4th. Anybody watching this game? How we doing overall?

[AlexB]

Vick brought himself out the game - tweaked hamstring. Injury report FOF stlye - probable. Return to full health - unknown :)

[miami_fan]

Ummmm can the Dolphin corners play a little closer than..... 10 yard off the line?! Damn!

[TroyF]

Darrent Williams takes a punt back for a TD and it gets called back because Denver players start running on the field before it has been run in. Just unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Undiscipline Broncos sideline costed them.

[TroyF]

First play after the punt call back, a pass to Anderson and Denver has the ball first and goal on the 2 yard line. This doesn't end in a TD, Denver loses this game. It's that simple.

[AlexB]

TJ Duckett steamrollers in for 6, Schaub to Crumpler for 2 more: 21-18. Seahawks threw away the W in week 1, and are trying their best to do the same here after being 21-0 up at the half

[TroyF]

TOUCHDOWN!!!

Now, can the defense continue playing like the '85 Bears or do they fold?

[Lorena]

Alright Breezer... show what'cha got! Show us last year wasn't a GODDAMN FLUKE!!

[Cringer]

Great. Bubba Franks makes a catch and gets his legs wrapped up weird as he gets tackled. This could be bad.

Season keeps getting better.

[TroyF]

And just unless people believe I'm joking about that '85 Bears comment, look at these numbers:

Chargers in the second half: 19 plays. -18 yards, 1 defensive TD.

[TroyF]

Some great plays to start their drive here. Those two plays put them into positive territory for the second half. SD ball on the 49, 2nd and 1. 7:44 left in the game.

[Cringer]

And just unless people believe I'm joking about that '85 Bears comment, look at these numbers:

Chargers in the second half: 19 plays. -18 yards, 1 defensive TD.

Yeah but....Denver lost to Miami.
;)

[Lorena]

And just unless people believe I'm joking about that '85 Bears comment, look at these numbers:

Chargers in the second half: 19 plays. -18 yards, 1 defensive TD.

Are you kidding me? It's one freaking half, the game isn't even over! 85 Bears is a bit of a stretch don'tcha think?

[AlexB]

Hasselbeck misses Engram by a country mile on 3rd and 10 - Seahwaks punt rolls dead at the ATL 27 yard line. 2:39 left in the 4th, Falcons 3 points down, and Vick is back on the field. Game on.

[Cringer]

ha.

Green Bay rookie WR Terrance Murphy getting some action now. He looks like he has a pacifier in his mouth. Thats some kind of mouth guard.

[jbmagic]

Raiders will beat kc tonight

[Cringer]

Touchdown PACKERS!! Finally something positive. Still down by 2 points though.

[Lorena]

If the zebras call this an INT, I'm a be pissed!!

[TroyF]

Are you kidding me? It's one freaking half, the game isn't even over! 85 Bears is a bit of a stretch don'tcha think?


No, I'm not kidding you. Of course, I'm not saying the Denver Broncos defense of '05 is the '85 Bears either.

I said they've played like it for one half. This is one of the most dominating defensive performences for a Denver team in the last three decades. For one half. Actually, for one and a half quarters.

This is complete and total domination. And the Chargers are a GOOD offensive football team. This INT will come back and it'll be Chargers ball, but this is just incredible. Even on the last drive, the Chargers made some plays, but the biggest was a catch by Gates with two defenders draped all over him.

This is an amazing defensive performence from a team that could have mailed this thing in at halftime after the start they've had.

[Lorena]

No, I'm not kidding you. Of course, I'm not saying the Denver Broncos defense of '05 is the '85 Bears either.

I said they've played like it for one half. This is one of the most dominating defensive performences for a Denver team in the last three decades. For one half. Actually, for one and a half quarters.

This is complete and total domination. And the Chargers are a GOOD offensive football team. This INT will come back and it'll be Chargers ball, but this is just incredible. Even on the last drive, the Chargers made some plays, but the biggest was a catch by Gates with two defenders draped all over him.

This is an amazing defensive performence from a team that could have mailed this thing in at halftime after the start they've had.

I'll give you that, the Denver defense has been pretty damn good. Those statistics speak for themselves.

Good game we have here :)

[Fouts]

I agree. Great defensive play has set up the Broncos nicely in the second half. Tie game now. Broncos gotta do something offensive to win this, I would think.

[AlexB]

Way to put a game on a yougn QB - Vick goes back out again with ATL 4th & 14 & Shaub needing to convert to stay in the game...

Broken up - Seattle get the 1st down and will win

[Cringer]

One of the cooler things I have seen at a game.

Packers need a defensive stand on 3rd down to get the ball back and the crowd started chanting Reggie!Reggie!Reggie!

To bad it didn't work, first down pass for the Browns.

[Fouts]

Denver guy falls down and gets a pass interference call. Not looking good for SD.

[Lorena]

One of the cooler things I have seen at a game.

Packers need a defensive stand on 3rd down to get the ball back and the crowd started chanting Reggie!Reggie!Reggie!

To bad it didn't work, first down pass for the Browns.

Ooooh, that gave me chills!! Too bad they didn't get it

[TroyF]

And now we bring out the secret weapon, RON DAYNE

[Cringer]

Ooooh, that gave me chills!! Too bad they didn't get it

Too bad indeed. Looks like a loss at home to the Browns for my Packers. I may cry tonight. :(

[Cringer]

Too bad indeed. Looks like a loss at home to the Browns for my Packers. I may cry tonight. :(

And I am right. Touchdown pass, 62 yards, for the Browns to put this one away. Somehow the only guy near this damn Heiden guy is a defensive lineman who had no chance to catch him.

I hate Heiden. And I never knew him before today.

[TroyF]

Offsides, thank you Big Ben.

[Lorena]

And I am right. Touchdown pass, 62 yards, for the Browns to put this one away. Somehow the only guy near this damn Heiden guy is a defensive lineman who had no chance to catch him.

I hate Heiden. And I never knew him before today.

It was nice to see Favre attempt yet another comeback. Sorry your team lost :( I might see the same thing with my Chargers if Elam makes this, almost inevitable, FG.

[timmynausea]

Kurt Warner is trying to mount a last minute revenge drive against the Rams. 53 seconds left and the Cards just moved into Rams territory.

[TroyF]

Why aren't the Chargers calling TO here? I'd have been trying to preserve clock any way I could. I'm happy they let it go though. I sure hope we get these two yards here. We need to get 15 more yards so we can let Jason end this thing.

[cthomer5000]

Jets wrap it up with an interception. Frerotte was playing much too panicked on the last posession there. There was nearly 4 minutes left and they needed a score on the drive, not necessarily a touchdown. It was a bad throw.

[timmynausea]

32 seconds to go and the Cardinals are on the St. Louis 16 yard line trailing 17-12.

[Lorena]

Elam's missed 2... miss miss miss...

[TroyF]

Oh man, I wouldn't kick it here. I'd actually go for it. A miss is just too risky.

[Lorena]

Oh man, I wouldn't kick it here. I'd actually go for it. A miss is just too risky.

4th and 1 and they're goin for it? Bastages..

[TroyF]

If we can't get a yard, we don't deserve to win this football game. Show some guts Mike, show some guts.

[timmynausea]

1-10-STL 16 (:32) (Shotgun) K.Warner pass to A.Boldin pushed ob at SL 5 for 11 yards (C.Ivy).
1-5-STL 5 (:27) K.Warner sacked at SL 10 for -5 yards (A.Archuleta).
2-10-STL 10 (:07) (Shotgun) PENALTY on ARZ-L.Davis, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SL 10 - No Play. (Penalty occured at 0:07 seconds. 10 second run-off ends game.)

[TroyF]

YES, YES, YES!!!!!

[Lorena]

4th and 1 and they're goin for it? Bastages..

Fuck, fuck, FUCK!! they got it :mad:

[Lorena]

announcers curse.... PLEASE!

[TroyF]

OK Jason, it's on your right foot now. End it. Just end it.

[TroyF]

THANK YOU JASON.

More importantly, thank you defense. You won this game. Every one of you.

[Lorena]

OK Jason, it's on your right foot now. End it. Just end it.

Shit, we need one of those Tenn. Titan kick off come-back vs. the Bills... doubt it.

GODDAMIT IT!!

[Lorena]

THANK YOU JASON.

More importantly, thank you defense. You won this game. Every one of you.

Man, what a heartbreaker. Good defensive game I'm sorry to be on the other end of it :(

[Fouts]

Looks like this is KC's division this year. I expect a beating tonight of the Raiders.

[Lorena]

Looks like this is KC's division this year. I expect a beating tonight of the Raiders.

Bite your tongue, it's WAY early... the Chargers will come back! For my sake and sanity... they better!!
:mad:

[cthomer5000]

How much does the NFC North suck?

[Lorena]

How much does the NFC North suck?

About as bad as the AFC West

[TroyF]

Looks like this is KC's division this year. I expect a beating tonight of the Raiders.


Honestly? It's just too early to talk division yet for anyone. The Chiefs have tough games left, including coming into Denver next week. Their defense is improved, but their offense is aging, especially the important part, that O-Line.

The Chargers are still a good football team. They have a tough road ahead, but I don't think it was as much your offense today as it was the Denver defense just dominating in the second half. Any team with LT, Gates and a solid defense isn't going to just go away.

And the Broncos have talent. Their defense has a chance to be something special, and they showed that in the second half. I wouldn't write them off yet, though they need to play more than a half to be anything more than the first round knockouts they usually are.

I'd wait about 6 weeks before making any assumptions about this division. I think all three teams still have a good shot. (I do discount the Raiders, that defense is just too bad.)

[Schmidty]

How much does the NFC North suck?

After 2 weeks it sucks quite a bit.

After 2 weeks.

[Buccaneer]

Did the Falcons even play this afternoon? Seems there would be 100 posts about them by now. Let's see: <TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>M. Vick (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235253)</TD><TD>11/19</TD><TD>123</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Seattle defense that good or who gets the blame this week?

[Schmidty]

Mike Holmgren gives the most "relaxing" interview ever.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........

[cthomer5000]

Is Buffalo either:

A. Wearing these uniforms all season?

B. Switching to these uniforms permanentlt?

C. Just wearing them occasionally?

[Cringer]

About as bad as the AFC West

NFC North is much worse. The 'clear favorite' to win is 0-2 in the Vikings. And Detroit, a favorite among many people just got hammered by the Bears.

Anyways, sorry to see the Chargers lose. I can't stand the Broncos.

[TroyF]

Did the Falcons even play this afternoon? Seems there would be 100 posts about them by now. Let's see: <TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>M. Vick (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235253)</TD><TD>11/19</TD><TD>123</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Seattle defense that good or who gets the blame this week?


He struggled in the first half. Meanwhile the secondary was picked apart by Hasselbach.

He played much better in the second half. Had a couple of overthrows, but also a couple of dropped passes. The good thing for Falcons fans was that he didn't quit and neither did the team. He set up their last TD with a nice run (the one where he tweaked his hammy)

His numbers, while poor, weren't all that different from some of the drop back passers today (Manning 122 yards, Delhomme 154 (on 11-26), Brees 175 with an INT, or Carr with 167)

[RendeR]

According to BuffaloBills.com the decision to wear the throwback uniforms again this week was based on a 75%+ positive response from the fans when they were asked if the team should use the uniform more often.

Will they do so again? Probably. When? Who knows.

[TroyF]

NFC North is much worse. The 'clear favorite' to win is 0-2 in the Vikings. And Detroit, a favorite among many people just got hammered by the Bears.

Anyways, sorry to see the Chargers lose. I can't stand the Broncos.

The NFC North is horrible.

And stop being mad at the Broncos for that Super Bowl win. We deserved one, you already had 3. :)

[RendeR]

Anyone see the Buffalo-Tampa game and catch the tampa fans chanting "Who-Dey, Who-Dey..." in the stands? Fucking rip off artists...I don't even LIKE that chant but I know damned well it belongs to CINCINNATI!

Unorriginal bastards in Tampa, can't even get their own chant.

[cthomer5000]

According to BuffaloBills.com the decision to wear the throwback uniforms again this week was based on a 75%+ positive response from the fans when they were asked if the team should use the uniform more often.

Will they do so again? Probably. When? Who knows.
Thanks. They should switch to them full-time, as the current uniforms are HIDEOUS.

[Cringer]

The NFC North is horrible.

And stop being mad at the Broncos for that Super Bowl win. We deserved one, you already had 3. :)

3 Superbowls and 12 NFL titles overall. It looks like this year is once again a chance to look back on those.

And I will not stop being mad about that. Same head coach, and same ugly uniforms. I still do not like them.
:p :p

[Dutch]

Anyone see the Buffalo-Tampa game and catch the tampa fans chanting "Who-Dey, Who-Dey..." in the stands? Fucking rip off artists...I don't even LIKE that chant but I know damned well it belongs to CINCINNATI!

Unorriginal bastards in Tampa, can't even get their own chant.

But they got the score right, BeeYatch. :D

[RendeR]

Thanks. They should switch to them full-time, as the current uniforms are HIDEOUS.


I can see the helmets changing back to a base-white, but those throwback jersey and pants are freeking hideous. I hate Buffalo's normal road jersies too, but the dark blue home jersey is quite nice.

[TroyF]

3 Superbowls and 12 NFL titles overall. It looks like this year is once again a chance to look back on those.

And I will not stop being mad about that. Same head coach, and same ugly uniforms. I still do not like them.
:p :p

:) That's OK. I still like the Pack, though I wish to God they'd figure out that their defense needs help. Some serious, serious help.

[RendeR]

Yeah, I have to say that the Packers have been seriously over-hyped this year. That defense is just god-awful and Favre is looking like a high school QB more than a pro one.

[Cringer]

:) That's OK. I still like the Pack, though I wish to God they'd figure out that their defense needs help. Some serious, serious help.

Actually, in games 1 and 2 this year, the offense has needed the most help. Scoring on the first each game is nice and all, but when that is all you do for most the game, it doesn't help much.

The play selection is driving me nuts. I am just not sure what is going on. They seem to be playing with no desire to win I guess is the best way I can describe it.

[Cringer]

Yeah, I have to say that the Packers have been seriously over-hyped this year. That defense is just god-awful and Favre is looking like a high school QB more than a pro one.

Over-hyped? What have you been listening to man? I listen to mostly ESPN radio and NFL Radio, and most of those guys picked the Pack to come in last or 3rd in the division. I just didn't want to believe it. Hearing how the Packers have maybe the worst defense in the league started to drive me nuts, now I am accepting it.
:(

[RendeR]

Over-hyped? What have you been listening to man? I listen to mostly ESPN radio and NFL Radio, and most of those guys picked the Pack to come in last or 3rd in the division. I just didn't want to believe it. Hearing how the Packers have maybe the worst defense in the league started to drive me nuts, now I am accepting it.
:(


Seriously? All we here around here (western NY) is how Brett and his Offense are going to dominate the NFC Norris this year and the only challenge is the Moss-less Vikings.

Must have some really out of touch sports guys here in Buffalo.

[saldana]

did anyone else love the patriots getting slapped around as much as i did? no one wants to seem to acknowledge how much mike nolan and charle weis were integral to that team, but i think we saw today that that team doesnt have the same character they had before.

[Cringer]

Seriously? All we here around here (western NY) is how Brett and his Offense are going to dominate the NFC Norris this year and the only challenge is the Moss-less Vikings.

Must have some really out of touch sports guys here in Buffalo.

I need to move to Buffalo. I would love o hear that stuff, even when they are 0-8.
:D

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Awesome intro to The Raiders Chiefs game.

[cthomer5000]

Awesome intro to The Raiders Chiefs game.
Really? I found it so boring I changed the channel. I guess it's a matter of perception.

[RendeR]

I need to move to Buffalo. I would love o hear that stuff, even when they are 0-8.
:D


Yeah, I'm just hoping that Cincinnati's ass ripping of minnesota makes these Bills-Homies wake up and realize they can't keep up the same old-Bengals commentary that I keep hearing too.

Can't wait for X-Mas Eve, we're gonna spank thos Bills.

[jeff061]

did anyone else love the patriots getting slapped around as much as i did? no one wants to seem to acknowledge how much mike nolan and charle weis were integral to that team, but i think we saw today that that team doesnt have the same character they had before.

I certainly didn't enjoy it, but their offense got their asses kicked. I don't know why they didn't throw any screens when Carolina started blitzing, thats something Weis always did and I figured it would carry over.

They still have some great pass blocking on the line, even when they blitzed Brady had enough time and should of gotten them off. Their run blocking is god awful though, I don't think it's Dillon. Their defense was solid though I though.

In anycase, it's tough to judge the character of a team after one loss. Let's not forget Week one two years ago.

[RendeR]

And so begins loss #2 for the Raiders this season. I'd like to say it bothers me, but I've never liked the Raiders.

There are a number of teams I won't shed a tear about if they loose continuously: San Francisco, Dallas, New England, Oakland, and the Rams top my list...anyone else?

[TazFTW]

When did Sterling Sharpe return to ESPN?

[Cringer]

And so begins loss #2 for the Raiders this season. I'd like to say it bothers me, but I've never liked the Raiders.

There are a number of teams I won't shed a tear about if they loose continuously: San Francisco, Dallas, New England, Oakland, and the Rams top my list...anyone else?

Decent list, I almost agree with it. SF I don't care about because they have been down so long now. I throw in NFC North teams of course. And the Dolphins.

[jeff061]

Don't forget the Steelers. I was hoping they would go down with Bettis and Duce. Oh well.

[Cringer]

Don't forget the Steelers. I was hoping they would go down with Bettis and Duce. Oh well.

naaaa, I like the Steelers.

[saldana]

I certainly didn't enjoy it, but their offense got their asses kicked. I don't know why they didn't throw any screens when Carolina started blitzing, thats something Weis always did and I figured it would carry over.

They still have some great pass blocking on the line, even when they blitzed Brady had enough time and should of gotten them off. Their run blocking is god awful though, I don't think it's Dillon. Their defense was solid though I though.

In anycase, it's tough to judge the character of a team after one loss. Let's not forget Week one two years ago.

im not saying they wont be in it come january, i just enjoy watching them get bitch slapped....as a niners fan, there wasnt much else for me to be happy about this week

[kcchief19]

I'm a little worried about the Chiefs offense tonight without Roaf. Instead of going more creative and utilizing their other weapons, I'm afraid they're going to go so vanilla and conservative that it will make matters worse.

Of course, on the bright side is that the Raiders always implode, witness the muffed punt.

[RendeR]

AM I alone in thinking that Lamont Jordan looks like he packed on about 30 lbs recently? Dude looks LARGE....(fat, not built)

[Cringer]

AM I alone in thinking that Lamont Jordan looks like he packed on about 30 lbs recently? Dude looks LARGE....(fat, not built)

Maybe he has a flack jacket on or something. I dunno.....

[Lorena]

Whoa, how was that pass interference against Moss?

[TroyF]

Whoa, how was that pass interference against Moss?


That was a horrible call.

[kcchief19]

I thought that was a weak call. I think Moss got called for that because he's Moss and a Raider. The default assumption is that the Raiders are always cheating, so you know.

These third down conversions are killing me.

[stevew]

Don't forget the Steelers. I was hoping they would go down with Bettis and Duce. Oh well.
Willie Parker says hi.

[cthomer5000]

Dante Hall just made the craziest return for a TD, but it got called back on an illegal block in the back.

[kcchief19]

Sigh. Jerome Woods used to be a decent safety. Now he's old, slow and stupid. That block in the back ruined an absolutely incredible playing by the Human Joystick -- I hate that nickname, by the way.

It's OK. Like Marty Schottenheimer always says, all you have to do with the Raiders is keep it close and they will implode on their own in the fourth quarter.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Quite a lot of penalties in tonites sunday nite match.

[Lorena]

That was a horrible call.

Yeah that stunk. Just because Moss is like a foot taller than the DB doesn't mean he held him down. Good acting job tho..

[Lorena]

Quite a lot of penalties in tonites sunday nite match.

Isn't it always when these teams play against each other? Heh :p

[Lorena]

It's OK. Like Marty Schottenheimer always says, all you have to do with the Raiders is keep it close and they will implode on their own in the fourth quarter.

LOL!! Good point :rolleyes:

[stevew]

This Sunday night crew is actually decent. Much better than the usual suicide causing Theisman/Maguire team.

[TroyF]

Funny, that's what we Bronco fans consider the strategy to be against any team Marty coaches. :)

[kcchief19]

Funny, that's what we Bronco fans consider the strategy to be against any team Marty coaches. :) Montana to Willie Davis ... Touchdown, Kansas City!

That's referred to as the Monday Night Miracle around these parts.

By the way, I hate Rany Moss.

[Lorena]

WoW! What a turnaround!! Nice pass and catch!!

[TroyF]

Montana to Willie Davis ... Touchdown, Kansas City!

That's referred to as the Monday Night Miracle around these parts.

By the way, I hate Rany Moss.


Yep, one of Marty's shining moments against Denver. I'll let you live with that memory and not get into all the details of his Cleveland disasters or the 13 point lead he blew with about 4 minutes left in a game the Chiefs dominated. :)

Surprised they didn't call Randy for another push off there. The score of this game should be 21-17 now, be thankful it's only 17 each.

[TroyF]

I hate Moss too, but what an incredible player he is. If he played hard on every play, he'd be the greatest player that ever played this game. He doesn't and he never will, but it's just amazing watching him make catches like that.

He's on the perfect team to hate though, we can agree on that.

[TroyF]

Let me get this straight, the Raiders are paying Woodson 10 million dollars this year? For playing CB like that? I've seen old ladies in walkers cover better than he does. What the hell happened to him? I remember when he was good.

[cthomer5000]

Here's another acceptable response:

Funny, that's what any team considers the strategy to be against any team Marty coaches in the playoffs.

[NoMyths]

I do love me a Chiefs victory in the Black Hole. :D

[kcchief19]

You have to feel sorry for Marty. Over the year's he's evolved into the cause of Ernest Byner fumbling on the 1-yard line and the reason Lin Freakin' Elliott couldn't have hit water if he felt out of a freakin' boat, and for the sucking of Steve "Oh No!" Bono. The only playoff disaster I blame him for is giving the start to Elvis Grbac in '97 after he came back from the shoulder injury in place of Rich Gannon who was on a roll and had taken on the role of team leader.

And I always thought that the Broncos strategy against Marty and the Chiefs was to let the Chiefs dominate for 58 minutes and then let Elway ran around and throw the ball 70 yards across the field falling down. :)

[Lorena]

Did anyone see that Leftwich injury? OUCH! Can't believe he came back, hobbled to the line of scrimmage and spiked to ball to stop the clock. Man's got heart.

[TroyF]

You have to feel sorry for Marty. Over the year's he's evolved into the cause of Ernest Byner fumbling on the 1-yard line and the reason Lin Freakin' Elliott couldn't have hit water if he felt out of a freakin' boat, and for the sucking of Steve "Oh No!" Bono. The only playoff disaster I blame him for is giving the start to Elvis Grbac in '97 after he came back from the shoulder injury in place of Rich Gannon who was on a roll and had taken on the role of team leader.

And I always thought that the Broncos strategy against Marty and the Chiefs was to let the Chiefs dominate for 58 minutes and then let Elway ran around and throw the ball 70 yards across the field falling down. :)

In many of those games, Marty had the chance to put the other team and didn't do it. He let teams with no business of hanging around to not only hang around but to have the chance to win the game.

It's almost like he has some special knack for being aggressive at all the wrong times and passive at all the wrong times in a big game. FWIW, I think the two games this year are a perfect example of Marty finding ways to lose games.

Against Dallas, you have the ball at your five yard line, over a minute on the clock and instead of giving it to LT once, he throws the ball four times.

Today he's struggling badly against the Denver D. The Chargers can't get five yards, much less a first down. Where are the screens to LT? Where is a deep ball to Parker to try to stretch out the Denver D a little? Nowhere to be found. Well, nowhere to be found until the final two offensive plays the Chargers run that is. . . two deep passes into the end zone, the second nearly being picked off.

It's easy to armchair and I understand that. But sometimes Marty makes it real easy with his decisions.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

I can' believe hey didn chuck it to Randy more often during the last 2 drives.

[Ragone]

To be honest.. Sterling sharpe is not a game analyst.. he struggled with simple grammar the entire game.. not to mention staying on moss's johnson the entire game

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

To be honest.. Sterling sharpe is not a game analyst.. he struggled with simple grammar the entire game.. not to mention staying on moss's johnson the entire game
I noticed that as well. I was hpnotyzed and started hating LaMont Jordan for gobbling up all those passes from Moss. :eek:

[NoMyths]

Yeah, the entire broadcast was basically the Randy Moss show. Wouldn't have known that his team was losing for most of the game based on the commentary. :)

[Ragone]

Yeah, the entire broadcast was basically the Randy Moss show. Wouldn't have known that his team was losing for most of the game based on the commentary. :)

Kinda shocked Sterling didn't follow him into the locker room to proclaim "Moss is the greatest ever at taking a piss!"

[stevew]

To be honest.. Sterling sharpe is not a game analyst.. he struggled with simple grammar the entire game.. not to mention staying on moss's johnson the entire gameWell, unlike the normal 2 asshats that ruin the sunday night game, he at least was somewhat entertaining. Maybe he was a bit all-over Moss, but who else are you gonna talk about on Oakland, he's pretty much their only good player.

And Warren Sapp looks even Fatter than normal.

[Butter]

Keep losing, Ravens.

I hate you Brian Billick and Ray Lewis. 1-15 is too good for you.

[scooper]

OK, so week 2 was fun. Bring on the Chicago Ortons.

Carson Palmer is no Joey Harrington. I hope our run D can slow down Thomas Jones. If they do, I like this team's chances at going 3-0, or 4-0 for that matter with a home date against Houston to follow.

Can I get a Who Dey?!?!?

[Butter]

WHO DEY!

I actually hate that, but the Bengals actually have me excited. That mid-season schedule is going to be brutal, though.

[scooper]

WHO DEY!

I actually hate that, but the Bengals actually have me excited. That mid-season schedule is going to be brutal, though.
You're right about the schedule. That's why a fast start is imperative. If they can get off 4-0, then go .500 the rest of the season, that's 10-6 and a probable playoff spot. I think if they do get off to a 4-0 start, they'll finish about 11-5, with an outside shot at 12-4. Suddenly, a few of those mid-season games that looked like possible L's are looking better for W's. Namely at Baltimore, where they won last season, and the Packers at home.

[Arles]

Yeah, I have to say that the Packers have been seriously over-hyped this year. That defense is just god-awful and Favre is looking like a high school QB more than a pro one.
Hmm, not sure who expected much out of GB this season. Heck, only one out of 12 ESPN experts even pickd GB to make the wild card:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview05/news/story?id=2152292

Even the GB kool-aid drinkers felt this team was 8-8 or 9-7 at best. And, after the first two games, they look closer to a 6-10 team. Of course, Mike Sherman has it all figured out now as he is having players do wind-sprints in practice if they commit penalties in the game. The horror! Maybe if they commit two penalties they won't get any syrup with their morning waffles.

Sheesh, between his coaching and expert drafting, Sherman may have taken what was a very good team back into the dark years of the 80s. He makes Bart Starr and Forrest Gregg look like Vince Lombardi.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Bring Back Ray Rhodes.