Lost, Season 2

[spleen1015]

I think before everyone keeps saying that the "Others" do not make tracks, it is my thought as stated before, that Ecko meant that the Others do not make shoe prints because they do not wear shoes, they make foot prints. I don't think he meant the others float or somehow leave no tracks.

I think this is the case. Echo and Jin were looking at a shoe print, not a foot print.

[gottimd]

Okay people have way too much time on their hands. When you see Jins resume in the last episode, you see a yahoo email address for him. People have been investigating that too, and apparently there is a member profile that people are trying to "decode" but its all in korean.


http://kr.profiles.yahoo.com/jinsoo74173

[Joe Canadian]

I think before everyone keeps saying that the "Others" do not make tracks, it is my thought as stated before, that Ecko meant that the Others do not make shoe prints because they do not wear shoes, they make foot prints. I don't think he meant the others float or somehow leave no tracks.

I didn't think that he meant they could float or fly... I think that they don't leave tracks because of what they are. Last time I checked a footprint is a type of track. If he meant they don't wear shows then he could have said, "that isn't theirs, they don't where shoes they walk barefoat."

The word "tracks" as used in Lost does not mean the samething as a shoe print. Unless the Boars on the island wear Air Force One's or something, because Locke & Kate followed Boar "tracks" through the jungle.

[Joe Canadian]

Okay people have way too much time on their hands. When you see Jins resume in the last episode, you see a yahoo email address for him. People have been investigating that too, and apparently there is a member profile that people are trying to "decode" but its all in korean.


http://kr.profiles.yahoo.com/jinsoo74173

I think the Riddler wrote it!!!!


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[gottimd]

As for the footprints, I found this:

I don't think that whether or not they are wearing shoes has much to do with how easy they are to track. When Mr. Echo said "They don't leave tracks." I think he meant they are just very stealthy and know how to leave very little or no signs of their past presence. Go walk in the mud or sand barefoot. You left tracks. Now try it with shoes on. You left tracks. So would the others. So what this means is, regardless of footwear, they know better than to walk in places where they would leave obvious tracks. Long story short: The 'Others' know they're way around, probably because they have been there a long time.

[Joe Canadian]

As for the footprints, I found this:

Ok, so either way... Ethan leaves tracks & "the others" don't, right?

[BishopMVP]

Ok, so either way... Ethan leaves tracks & "the others" don't, right?Ethan was dragging/carrying Claire with him. Makes it a bit harder to avoid leaving a trail.

[Joe Canadian]

Ethan was dragging/carrying Claire with him. Makes it a bit harder to avoid leaving a trail.

He was also wearing shoes even when he came back for Claire... "the others" appear not to wear them.

[Raiders Army]

Weren't all of the others in their bare feet as well?

[gottimd]

Well if Ethan was trying to infiltrate the survivors, he would've been wearing shoes. I think the others don't leave foot prints when they don't want to be tracked, not all the time.


I still think there are the "Others", which may or may not include the Degroots and some other scientists that survived some horrible experiments, and then survivors, whether it be someone from Oceanic Flight or Rouseau's group or some other crash.

[Joe Canadian]

Well if Ethan was trying to infiltrate the survivors, he would've been wearing shoes. I think the others don't leave foot prints when they don't want to be tracked, not all the time.

But when he came back for Claire he was wearing shoes... and I think the shot from this weeks episode of them all walking barefoot was to show us they didn't wear shoe's.[/QUOTE]

I still think there are the "Others", which may or may not include the Degroots and some other scientists that survived some horrible experiments, and then survivors, whether it be someone from Oceanic Flight or Rouseau's group or some other crash.

I have no doubt that there are others... I just don't think Ethan is one of them, at this point anyways.

[gottimd]

If you were barefoot, and found shoes to wear, wouldn't you want to wear them?


Also, as noted below...

So what this means is, regardless of footwear, they know better than to walk in places where they would leave obvious tracks. Long story short: The 'Others' know they're way around, probably because they have been there a long time.

So with or without shoes they know the island and how not to leave tracks.

How come none of the survivors has made friends with a volleyball yet?

[Raiders Army]

How come none of the survivors has made friends with a volleyball yet?
LOL

[Joe Canadian]

If you were barefoot, and found shoes to wear, wouldn't you want to wear them?


Well yes... but were these people born without shoes? At one point they had to have them, and I really doubt they all lost their footwear, and with all the people we think they killed or have died on the island that Ethan was the only one to find a pair of shoe's.

Anyways I guess we'll have to disagree on the Ethan thing for now.

[kingfc22]

Well yes... but were these people born without shoes? At one point they had to have them, and I really doubt they all lost their footwear... I lean towards the theory that these are all kids like Alex and they have outgrown their clothes and shoes, etc.

[gottimd]

I lean towards the theory that these are all kids like Alex and they have outgrown their clothes and shoes, etc.
Bingo!

[Joe Canadian]

I lean towards the theory that these are all kids like Alex and they have outgrown their clothes and shoes, etc.

Good point... but what about the other part of my paragraph that you didn't quote? Is Ethan the only "other" smart enough to find shoes from all the dead people? The rest of them were smart enough to scavange for clothes (they had clothes on), but they left the shoes on the bodies?

But for arguments sake lets say you guys are right... we know that Ethan has left tracks & that "the others" apparently don't. You guys are saying that they decide to leave tracks sometimes and\or their footwear or lack there of decides if they leave tracks or not... I'm really going to enjoy watching the show when they show the backstory of "the others" explaining their footwearing tendencies! :D

^That's a joke, I know that will never happen.

[Bearcat729]

Well yes... but were these people born without shoes?



How many people are born with shoes?



But, yes the idea that if they came to the island with shoes and outgrew them makes sense.

[Joe Canadian]

How many people are born with shoes?

You know what I mean... if these people came to the island has adults they would still have shoes.

But, yes the idea that if they came to the island with shoes and outgrew them makes sense.

Yes... but it doesn't make sence to me, at least, that while they all scavenged for clothes... only Ethan was smart enough to put on the shoes. Unless they wear their shoes as a hat or something and just wear them on their feet when strange people get lost on the island. :)

[gottimd]

So to beat a dead horse here, here are some other observations/comments about the footprint discussion.



They appeared to be walking on the balls of their feet and in single file.
Of course, since they have weight, they would have to leave tracks, but by walking on the balls of their feet, their tracks would be obscured among indentions in the dirt made by rocks and any number of other things. Also, walking in single file would muck up the works as well.
They probably could be tracked, but it would be very difficult.
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Native Americans knew a way to walk and not to leave tracks....

when they were tracking ethan, charlie supposedly dropped one of his finger tape things on the ground in one direction while there were footsteps in another. locke and boone followed the footsteps and found the hatch, but jack and kate followed the path charlie left and found ethan and charlie. however later on locke and boone find claire out near where they ended up normally going... so maybe ethan was not one of the others at all? thoughts?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think people are taking this whole "they don't leave tracks" thing a bit too literally. I think the explanation above is a good one. They wouldn't leave tracks like Michael did, because they walk lightly and don't appear to wear shoes. While I am sure an expert tracker could probably pick up their trail, it would be hard for anyone on the plane to do so. Locke might have a chance. And maybe Mr. Ecko, because he's a bad ass, but he didn't seem able to.

I think that the "trust issues" thing probably does mean that someone (like Ethan) likely infiltrated the tail end of the plane and started killing folks. Either that or one or two people quickly fell prey to the "illness" and turned on the other survivors.

[OldGiants]

Interesting theory about Ethan. I've thinking about the feral Rousseau, and have a question or two:

1) Didn't she go after Claire because she thought she could trade Clare's as yet unborn baby for her son, Alexander?

2) Could the hole in the ground she's living in (and took Said to) be another project bunker? I can't really remember what it looked like in the first season. Since the Others don't seem to know where the project bunkers are, despite living on the island possibly since pre-project days (another thing that bugs me almost as much as Locke not telling anyone about his seeing the monster, to say nothing of his Lourdes-like miracle cure) that could be the reason she's remained safe.

3) How does the crew of the Black Rock fit in? They are pre-most everything. Could they be the Others?

4) I like the idea of Alexander being recruited into the teenage Others. But they have a lot of time on their hands. Surely they have found the Black Rock. Teenage boys and dynamite anyone?

I'm willing to go along with all this because the writers have left lots of clues and "ah ha!" moments (mostly notably the character interconnections). In this way they are J. K. Rowling-like in their story telling ability. Hope it continues.

[Joe Canadian]

I think people are taking this whole "they don't leave tracks" thing a bit too literally. I think the explanation above is a good one. They wouldn't leave tracks like Michael did, because they walk lightly and don't appear to wear shoes. While I am sure an expert tracker could probably pick up their trail, it would be hard for anyone on the plane to do so. Locke might have a chance. And maybe Mr. Ecko, because he's a bad ass, but he didn't seem able to.

I think that the "trust issues" thing probably does mean that someone (like Ethan) likely infiltrated the tail end of the plane and started killing folks. Either that or one or two people quickly fell prey to the "illness" and turned on the other survivors.

One thing I need to point out is that it wasn't just Mr. Ecko that said the others don't leave tracks. This was mentioned in season one as well when Sayid & Charlie came apon the black smoke and said that there were no tracks...

I understand what everyone is saying, but I just think to explain that "tracks" didn't really mean footprints or they walk on the balls of their feet or whatever... is going to be very awkward to explain on TV. But anyways it's a theory... I think we've beaten it to death, lets move on.

Interesting theory about Ethan. I've thinking about the feral Rousseau, and have a question or two:

1) Didn't she go after Claire because she thought she could trade Clare's as yet unborn baby for her son, Alexander?

2) Could the hole in the ground she's living in (and took Said to) be another project bunker? I can't really remember what it looked like in the first season. Since the Others don't seem to know where the project bunkers are, despite living on the island possibly since pre-project days (another thing that bugs me almost as much as Locke not telling anyone about his seeing the monster, to say nothing of his Lourdes-like miracle cure) that could be the reason she's remained safe.

3) How does the crew of the Black Rock fit in? They are pre-most everything. Could they be the Others?

4) I like the idea of Alexander being recruited into the teenage Others. But they have a lot of time on their hands. Surely they have found the Black Rock. Teenage boys and dynamite anyone?

I'm willing to go along with all this because the writers have left lots of clues and "ah ha!" moments (mostly notably the character interconnections). In this way they are J. K. Rowling-like in their story telling ability. Hope it continues.

1) It hasn't been explained that Rousseau went after Claire, it was just Claire remembering that she scratched Rousseau in the jungle. We don't know if Ethan & Rousseau are in cohoots, or if Rousseau was saving Claire, or if Rousseau tryed to take Claire from Ethan. We do not that she took Claire's baby after it was born to trade for Alex.

2) Rousseau explained that her and the crew of her boat dug the trench out... so it wasn't a project "hatch".

3) Good theory...

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Regarding Alex & the others... I was thinking of this today. If Alex was the one holding the bear, where did he get it? He was born on the island as Rousseau explained... so did he find it, did Rousseau have it on the boat just in case she gave birth?

[Poli]

I'm actually happy to catch the repeat episodes of Lost again. Now that I've seen the first season things make a little more sense.

[Poli]

Probably been hashed through...but Desmond asked Locke if it was "him." I can't recall, was he expecting someone? Did he explain it?

[RailsFS]

I thought this was supposed to be a NEW episode.......

[Poli]

Nah, two more weeks.

[RailsFS]

Hmmm, well you're obviously right. I seem to remember them saying that this week's episode was the one you couldn't miss. Then they ran the same promo following this week's. Hell, even TV guide says it was supposed to be a new one tonight.

[Joe Canadian]

Hmmm, well you're obviously right. I seem to remember them saying that this week's episode was the one you couldn't miss. Then they ran the same promo following this week's. Hell, even TV guide says it was supposed to be a new one tonight.

After last week's episode the preview said... Lost will return in 3 weeks. So one more re-run and the new one's are back.

[RailsFS]

Well, I don't remember seeing that. At least good ole TV Guide has my back.

[samifan24]

Probably been hashed through...but Desmond asked Locke if it was "him." I can't recall, was he expecting someone? Did he explain it?

This was explained in "Orientation," when Jack and Locke watch the Dharma orientation video. Desmond thought Locke was his replacement. Remember that the man Desmond replaced in the hatch thought Desmond was his replacement but the real replacements never came.

[Poli]

Ah, that's right. But what about the "code word"? Was that part of the video, I don't remember it. Or should we assume that is was "passed down" from the first guy to Desmond?

[samifan24]

Ah, that's right. But what about the "code word"? Was that part of the video, I don't remember it. Or should we assume that is was "passed down" from the first guy to Desmond?

I believe we are just to assume that it is passed from one guy to the next.

[Pyser]

heres some cool news.

darren aronofsky called up lost's producers and aked to direct an episode, and they said yes. it should air in may.

aronofsky did "pi" and "requiem for a dream", and his style on "lost" should be a really amazing episode.

[QuikSand]

Just got caught up on the show (this morning) and this thread.

I must be among the minority who misses nearly all these little clues and references. I notice the numbers (since we've been clubbed over the head with that) but I am just not attuned to paying attention to every name, every face, and every background image to look for connections back to other storylines.


But since we're engaging in so much speculation... I wonder if Desmond turns out to be the central character in this whole story, once the many parts are revealed. Anyone else get that vibe? Maybe he's a character a bit like the ever-present guy in Neil Stephenson's novels... (blanking on the name there).

[Joe Canadian]

New episode tomorrow night...

[Swaggs]

Who do we think will bite the dust tomorrow?

I'd be shocked if it were Jack, Locke, Kate, Sawyer, Charlie, or Hurley. They all seem to have backstories that need to be completed.

And reasonably surprised if it was one of the other "main" characters (Sun, Jin, Claire, Shannon, Sayid, Michael, Walt). If it is one of the folks from this group, I would guess Sun or Jin OR Michael or Walt, so that the other member of the pair can flashback (a la Shannon with Boone). If I had to pick one of the main characters, I would go with Jin.

I'm guessing it will be more along the lines of another bit character like Rousseau, Desmond, or one of the newly introduced flight survivors.

[moriarty]

Who do we think will bite the dust tomorrow?

I'd be shocked if it were Jack, Locke, Kate, Sawyer, Charlie, or Hurley. They all seem to have backstories that need to be completed.

And reasonably surprised if it was one of the other "main" characters (Sun, Jin, Claire, Shannon, Sayid, Michael, Walt). If it is one of the folks from this group, I would guess Sun or Jin OR Michael or Walt, so that the other member of the pair can flashback (a la Shannon with Boone). If I had to pick one of the main characters, I would go with Jin.

I'm guessing it will be more along the lines of another bit character like Rousseau, Desmond, or one of the newly introduced flight survivors.

I think it will be a bit player, but Sayid's story line has been very quiet so far this year ....

[kingfc22]

I'm going to go with Echo. That would suck since he is a badass, but that would be more interesting than just killing off one of the bit characters.

[moriarty]

I'm going to go with Echo. That would suck since he is a badass, but that would be more interesting than just killing off one of the bit characters.

Yeah, by bit I meant one of the back of the plane characters (not one of the random no-namers).

[QuikSand]

Who do we think will bite the dust tomorrow?

In the preview from the last new show, they explicitly mention that "one of these survivors will be gone" or something like that, and they show faces of several of our regulars, along with the fairly non-descript blonde-haired woman from the tail section survivor group. My immediate thought was -- "well, I think we have our Ensign So-and-so from Star Trek."

Since then, I guess there have been "confirmations" that this is a major character... so that wouldn't add up. But if push came to shove, I'd still guess that it's her.

[rkmsuf]

just stop having these annoying 3 week breaks. that's all I ask.

[Daimyo]

Based on storyline I bet its Jin or Sun (which I think would be a shame). They're both main characters who sort of operate outside of the main storyline and would thus be expendable.

I could see Shannon though... the actress was just in a movie and made comments along the lines that Hawaii wasn't a good place for a budding actress to be. Maybe she somehow thinks she can do better and wants out...

[moriarty]

I could see Shannon though... the actress was just in a movie and made comments along the lines that Hawaii wasn't a good place for a budding actress to be. Maybe she somehow thinks she can do better and wants out...

Man I hope so. She's annoying as hell.

[Anthony]

i believe it's Echo as well. not a faceless character, but prominent enough to be a big sacrifice.

my wildcard is Clara (i think that's the name of the mother of the baby). she serves no purpose other than to cry every episode. just cuz her baby is important (glad the writers have kept up that story :rolleyes: ) doesn't make her necessarily so. besides, there's always charlie to look after the baby, so i'm not thinking the mother is necessary to move the plot along.

[Joe Canadian]

Man I hope so. She's annoying as hell.

Agreed. She's become a bit less annoying since Boone's death, but she's easily my least favourite character. Her backstory doesn't seem crucial to the development of the plot, except for Jack's wife killing her dad in the accident... but like some have said these connections quite possibly might be just that, simple connections not really important to the central story.

However, something in my gut tells me that it won't be Shannon and will be someone I consider more important... like Sawyer, Jin, or Sun. I had the same feeling before Boone died, as he seemed 'important' at the time of his death.

But going by the preview Sawyer & Echo seem the most likely canidates... Sawyer's wound is getting infected & from the text preview on Lost's website it says the wound is becoming life threatening, and Echo is leading Michael & Jin around with "the others" close by.

Oh, how I missed pointlessly speculating about my favourite show! :D

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think Sawyer's pretty safe.

I think Shannon should be safe. She seems to be acting as Walt's "conduit" or something. Remember when Walt picked her to watch Vincent (his dog)? And then came to her in her "dream"? I think he's established some sort of psychic/mystical connection with Shannon some how. I think that will need to be played out a bit further...

I have a feeling it will be Jin or Sun too, which would really suck. I really like both of them and their story.

[Draft Dodger]

QS and I really must be in tune. My wife and I just caught up this weekend, so I can finally read this thread (I'm only going to bother with this page though).

I too feel it would be one of the Koreans, and that would really bum me out. I don't think it's going to be Eko or Michelle Rodriguez. I could see Bernard (or Rose), though, especially since Rose is not a full time castmember. It certainly won't be Sawyer.

I agree with HA that Claire could be a darkhorse candidate.

EDIT: but yeah, if I was choosing, Shannon would be toast. or the Michelle Rodriguez bitch.

[NoMyths]

In the preview from the last new show, they explicitly mention that "one of these survivors will be gone" or something like that, and they show faces of several of our regulars, along with the fairly non-descript blonde-haired woman from the tail section survivor group. My immediate thought was -- "well, I think we have our Ensign So-and-so from Star Trek."

Since then, I guess there have been "confirmations" that this is a major character... so that wouldn't add up. But if push came to shove, I'd still guess that it's her.Ding. Same thing I was thinking. :)

[Raven]

I agree with QS. My guess was the blonde from the tail end would be the one to die.

On another note - Anyone see Kate and Michelle Rodriguez butting heads when the groups come together?

[Joe Canadian]

Anyone see Kate and Michelle Rodriguez butting heads when the groups come together?

Was thinking the exact same thing myself... perhaps another love triangle with Kate & Michelle fighting over Jack or Sawyer.

[cthomer5000]

I really hope Michael dies. I hate the character and find every single element of him boring and annoying.

[ThunderingHERD]

I really hope Michael dies. I hate the character and find every single element of him boring and annoying.

Walt!!! WAALT!! WAALT!!!

[bryce]

I'd bet on someone who has contract dispute issues, movie aspiriations, or other similar grumblings, as that's usually the cause for people to leave hit shows, but I came up empty.... Saw the post about the Shannon character - is that the only one who fits that mold?

Guess we'll know in about 13 hours, though...

[Subby]

I really hope Michael dies. I hate the character and find every single element of him boring and annoying. Really? Are you sure? If so, that's the first I've heard it.

;)

[Raiders Army]

My first choice is for Shannon to bite the dust since she seemingly has no redeemable qualities. Mike has redeemable qualities, as he built the raft and loves his son.

I'd like to see Michelle Rodriguez's character bite it too. Her range as an actress is pretty minimal as she plays the same character in every movie or TV show.

[cthomer5000]

Really? Are you sure? If so, that's the first I've heard it.

;)
After I posted it I realized i've probably posted that exact same sentence like 5-6 times in this thread. :)

[QuikSand]

After I posted it I realized i've probably posted that exact same sentence like 56 times in this thread.

Fixed.

[cthomer5000]

It can't be stated enough though. ever.

[Swaggs]

What is the more annoying repeated quote on Lost?

"Walt! Walt! I need to find my boy!" -- Michael

"My baby!" (in a crappy Austrailian accent, by a crappy Austrailian actress) -- Claire

[Draft Dodger]

What is the more annoying repeated quote on Lost?

"Walt! Walt! I need to find my boy!" -- Michael

"My baby!" (in a crappy Austrailian accent, by a crappy Austrailian actress) -- Claire

I'd also put in an honorable mention for any line from Sawyer that he delivers while clenching his teeth.

[Raiders Army]

I'd also put in an honorable mention for any line from Sawyer that he delivers while clenching his teeth.
No way! Sawyer rawks!!!

[Draft Dodger]

No way! Sawyer rawks!!!

I agree. He just needs to stop the talking-through-his-teeth-when-he's-REALLY-angry routine.

[JasonC23]

I agree. He just needs to stop the talking-through-his-teeth-when-he's-REALLY-angry routine.
It does get tiring, but as far as I'm concerned, he can keep doing that as long as he keeps calling Kate "Freckles" and comes up with a good nickname for Michelle Rodriguez. :)

[Pyser]

"youre in my lightsticks."
"what the hell is a lightstick?"
"youre in my light, comma, sticks."

gotta love sawyer. i cant wait for michelle rodriguez to die. i hope its horrific when she finally bites it.

[gottimd]

Hey Sov, thread needs a new title. Your 3 weeks is up!

[Raiders Army]

I agree. He just needs to stop the talking-through-his-teeth-when-he's-REALLY-angry routine.
Oh. Agreed.

[Draft Dodger]

Hey Sov, thread needs a new title. Your 3 weeks is up!

SPOILER FREE though, please. I won't see it until tomorrow.

[gottimd]

Did Walt just tell her to "swallow and like it"?

[Poli]

Someone PM me that first bit (what happened before the first commercial), please? My brother called me with some important news...I had to take the call.

[Bearcat729]

Did Walt just tell her to "swallow and like it"?


Hmm Lost on the Spice channel eh?


The folks on totalfark say that he said They're coming and they're close.

That last scene leads me to believe that she is going to die.

[jbmagic]

Someone PM me that first bit (what happened before the first commercial), please? My brother called me with some important news...I had to take the call.


get a tivo, you can pause live tv :)

[Poli]

:) I'm hoping for that for Christmas.

[Poli]

Don't everyone jump at once. :)

[Poli]

Thanks, bearcat.

[jbmagic]

i have to wait 2 hours more to start here in the west coast :(

[Bearcat729]

That was one hell of a meeting

[Poli]

Agreed.

[VPI97]

I hope someone slaps that bitch upside the head.

[sachmo71]

Holy shit!

[Poli]

I've got my pimp hand ready.

[Joe Canadian]

Best episode since the premiere IMO... my thoughts on you know who were clear prior to this episode, and throughout the show I was saying, "man, they really are developing this story nicely, I'm starting to change my mind on this character... I bet this is the one they're going to kill." I was right...

If this person had of died last week I wouldn't think twice about it, but after this episode I actually didn't want the person to die.

And I hope Sayid gets all Republican Guard on her ass!!!!

[gottimd]

Tell me you saw Jack in Shannons flashback in the Hospital hall. He runs by while the doctor is telling Shannon and her step mom about Mr. Rutherford dying.

[Poli]

Nah, dude. I saw Walt.

[Joe Canadian]

Tell me you saw Jack in Shannons flashback in the Hospital hall. He runs by while the doctor is telling Shannon and her step mom about Mr. Rutherford dying.

Well yeah... that was kind of expected. When they did Jack's backstory a few weeks ago and his future wife came into the ER, Shannon's dad came in right after her. Jack's wife was the one driving the SUV that killed Shannon's dad... and Jack choose to take care of his future wife over Shannon's dad.

[Raven]

wow

[sachmo71]

And I hope Sayid gets all Republican Guard on her ass!!!!


If you mean to go into a defensive position completely out in the open using methods that were tactically sound in the revolutionary war, throw away any mobility you have, and get destroyed piecemeal by a technologically superior force, I agree!

[Poli]

Nice title change.

[gottimd]

Well yeah... that was kind of expected. When they did Jack's backstory a few weeks ago and his future wife came into the ER, Shannon's dad came in right after her. Jack's wife was the one driving the SUV that killed Shannon's dad... and Jack choose to take care of his future wife over Shannon's dad.
Yes, I knew that, I was just wondering if anyone noticed him run by.

[cthomer5000]

Good episode, not great. Anyone know what they mean by "extended" episode next week? 90 minutes? 2 hours? 1.15? what?!!

[gottimd]

Good episode, not great. Anyone know what they mean by "extended" episode next week? 90 minutes? 2 hours? 1.15? what?!!
108 Minutes.
or an episode that loops for 16 years.

[Joe Canadian]

Good episode, not great. Anyone know what they mean by "extended" episode next week? 90 minutes? 2 hours? 1.15? what?!!

I'm assuming it's like 70 mins... when network's say extended that's usually what the mean. If it was 2 hours or 90 mins they usually say so... But next week's episode looks fantastic.

[gottimd]

I'm assuming it's like 70 mins... when network's say extended that's usually what the mean. If it was 2 hours or 90 mins they usually say so... But next week's episode looks fantastic.
Probably an advertising gimmick. A regular 60 minute show contains 40-45 minutes of real show approx. So, IIRC, this is sweeps week and with a large fan base, many companies probably want ad time on this show. Extend the time of the show to fit more commercials in, and maybe an extra minute or so of show than normal.

[Joe Canadian]

Probably an advertising gimmick. A regular 60 minute show contains 40-45 minutes of real show approx. So, IIRC, this is sweeps week and with a large fan base, many companies probably want ad time on this show. Extend the time of the show to fit more commercials in, and maybe an extra minute or so of show than normal.

Yup, usually that's how it goes... there will be more added commericials then added Lost. NBC usually does the same thing during sweeps on Thursday extending Friends/Joey and Will & Grace an extra 10 mins.

[Subby]

OMFG.

The Others scare me.

[jbmagic]

my tivo shows next week episode is only one hour.


i think what they meant by extended episode, is that its about the other survivors only. they get a whole episode about them.

[thesloppy]

They TOTALLY got me with this episode. I was all "CINDY?!?! Who the hell is Cindy? You bastards have screwed me again!", but really I was expecting that it was going to be a minor character to bite it, and then *POW*, the ol' switcheroo! Totally played into my expectations and then turned me on my ear. Fantastic.

[jbmagic]

i dont think Ana really did it at the end. it might look like it, but i dont think she did it.

i dont think this person that died tonight, is actually dead.

i guess we will find out in 2 weeks, because next week is about the tail section only.

[cthomer5000]

Walt's backward speaking is (quite clearly) "They're coming, and they're close."

[Swaggs]

I thought the person it happened to was about the least surprising, with the way the episode was going. I almost thought it was going to be the person with her, as that would have been a more emotional impact and less expected, in my opinion.

But... at least it wasn't Vincent. :)

[Raiders Army]

I like Mr. Ecko (Echo). He's a very likeable character. I also can't wait for the old couple to reunite.

Next week's episode looks a lot scarier than any other one we've seen, with bodies being yanked away.

Even though they made her character a little more sympathetic, I'm still glad she bit it. With the mood swings and poutiness, she was still annoying.

[jamesUMD]

I personally don't think that Sahannon is dead. I think they left it open to interpretation somewhat by having the other lady also disappear. It could be that "Cindy" is dead, and they will somehow get Shannon back to Jack, and he will pull a MacGuyver on her and save her with the innerds of a ballpoint pen or seat cushion.

[rkmsuf]

I hated Shannon and her character so I'm tickled pink.

Wasn't a big fan of the first 40 minutes of last night but the ending made the whole thing for me. Very well done.

edit, as far as not being dead it makes sense since the whole show was her stupid backstory.

[Subby]

Her backstory last night made her a lot more sympathetic, which was obviously their aim. It was weird to see her as sweet, semi-spoiled teenager when we were used to Vindictive Mega-Bitch.

Plus she was hot.

[Kodos]

I certainly would've chosen her to be killed if it had to be someone. :)

[rkmsuf]

Her backstory last night made her a lot more sympathetic, which was obviously their aim. It was weird to see her as sweet, semi-spoiled teenager when we were used to Vindictive Mega-Bitch.

Plus she was hot.


she looks smelly. can you imagine the stentch in that tent they set up.

[Subby]

Is Walt now one of The Others? Did he lead Shannon to her death last night?

[rkmsuf]

Is Walt now one of The Others? Did he lead Shannon to her death last night?


Walt has taken a decidedly creepy turn. He used to be so nice.

Oh and Michael got the line in last night. "They took my son!"

[Daimyo]

The episode and the preview for next week gave me the impression that the tailies had several children with them when they crashed and all were taken by and incorporated into the others.

[Daimyo]

DOLA, ABC launched an official Lost podcast this week. You can get it at the abc website or automatically via subscription in itunes. The first one featured interviews with the actors who play Jin and Sawyer mainly about filming on the raft at the end of season 1 and then a Q&A session with the producers.

Its weird to hear Daniel Dae Kim (Jin) talk because he has no accent at all. In fact I remember reading before that he actually didn't speak Korean before the show started and had to be tutored by the actress who plays Sun.

[Joe Canadian]

Her backstory last night made her a lot more sympathetic, which was obviously their aim. It was weird to see her as sweet, semi-spoiled teenager when we were used to Vindictive Mega-Bitch.

I think it showed that she wasn't always the mega-bitch we've seen... it was probably a personality change that resulted from her step-mom's treatment of her after he dad died. I'm glad she was the one they killed off because I really don't think anyone else is worth killing off at this point.

As far as the female leads on the show, it's nice to see that they've sort of lined up Rose to replace her as a "full-time" character...

I really do think Anna is the one that killed Shannon...

[Poli]

There's a nice plot of land beside her brother.

[moriarty]

Is Walt now one of The Others? Did he lead Shannon to her death last night?

I think he's in possession of the others, but I took it that he was trying to warn shannon. Wasn't he telling her to be quiet? Instead she ran off yelling and screaming which scared the other group and (likely) caused her to get shot.

[Daimyo]

Anna shooting Shannon re-enforces my earlier theory that the tail'ies actually killed each other out of fear of the Others as opposed to the Others directly killing them. They mentioned the one named casualty as being "taken" but we saw him before with a spear in his gut.

[jbmagic]

I think he's in possession of the others, but I took it that he was trying to warn shannon. Wasn't he telling her to be quiet? Instead she ran off yelling and screaming which scared the other group and (likely) caused her to get shot.


but she yell Walt like 5 times. you would think Michael will here shannon say it.

[gottimd]

but she yell Walt like 5 times. you would think Michael will here shannon say it.
True, but wasn't it pouring rain at the time when she was yelling? It probably sounded muffled to the Tail section people and Walt etc through all that noise the rain was creating in the jungle.

[Draft Dodger]

nice episode.

yeah, I don't think she's gone, and I don't think it was Rodriguez anyway. Rousseau, perhaps? that whole scene looked like a big setup for a twist (not that there's anything wrong with that).

anyone here the speculation about Libby being involved in Cindy's disappearance? my wife said something about a cave with a shadow in it, but I missed that. unless she's talking about the camera watching Sayid and Shannon right at the end.

[Draft Dodger]

but she yell Walt like 5 times. you would think Michael will here shannon say it.

one of my big gripes with the show is the number of times someone is 10 feet away from someone else in the woods, and no one can hear them yelling.

[gottimd]

one of my big gripes with the show is the number of times someone is 10 feet away from someone else in the woods, and no one can hear them yelling.
But yet they hear the whispers?

[Draft Dodger]

But yet they hear the whispers?

exactly!

[gottimd]

Here is something to ponder, and someone correct me if I am wrong, I will have to watch when I get home but the audience never sees Shannon/Sayid together with Tailies/Rafties. The shots are presented together in such a way that our minds fill in the the blanks, and we presume that the events are occuring together. Is it possible that someone else shot Shannon, and either Sayid is looking at the killer, or Ana-Lucia is pointing her gun at the killer? But that the scenes are put together to make the audience think that Ana Lucia shot Shannon and they are meeting up at that moment?

I am almost leaning towards the fact that someone else shot Shannon, maybe Danielle from a distance. All we saw was Shannon run off into the jungle, wouldn't Mike/Jin recognized her as she ran up on that group? Why would Michael and Jin be so silent at that moment when Ana is pointing the gun at someone?

[Daimyo]

I imagine the next episode will start with seeing the scene from the tail'ies perspective. Anna doesn't really trust or care about Michael/Jin and she's very jumpy/aggressive. I don't think there is any possible way they could have controlled her in that situation even if they had recognized Shannon quick enough to try to do something. It would have been too chaotic.

[JasonC23]

I'm hoping next week's episode will tell the story of the Tailies all the way up until the shooting, so...

A) We can see it from Ana's point of view to see why she (maybe) shot when she did. I'm guessing it's because they were running scared and no one had a chance to figure out who she was shooting at.

B) We can see the exact same event in 2 different episodes and re-piss off everybody who hated it the first time they did that this season. :D

EDIT: Or, um, what the post right above this one said (it wasn't there when I started typing, I swear).

[rkmsuf]

If she didn't really shoot Shannon then that's just stupid.

[gottimd]

I imagine the next episode will start with seeing the scene from the tail'ies perspective.
Yes, the first 5 minutes or so will be a recap from the Tailies point of view. Then someone will probably ask them to be more specific than "we were attacked", and they recap what happened from day 1 to them.

[rkmsuf]

Yes, the first 5 minutes or so will be a recap from the Tailies point of view. Then someone will probably ask them to be more specific than "we were attacked", and they recap what happened from day 1 to them.


Maybe at some point there will be a reward challenge between the Fronties and Tailies. :D

[gottimd]

If she didn't really shoot Shannon then that's just stupid.
Why would it be stupid? If it was Danielle, who is still out there with a gun, who thought Shannon was sick, and shot her, why would that be dumb? And where the hell did Desmond go? He is still "out and about town" as well.

[rkmsuf]

Why would it be stupid? If it was Danielle, who is still out there with a gun, who thought Shannon was sick, and shot her, why would that be dumb? And where the hell did Desmond go? He is still "out and about town" as well.

I just think it's far more interesting this way and is the way it was presented. Starting will all this hocus/pocus crap seems dumb. They story is good right now and the whole wow of last night is that it was her. Anything else ruins that.

[Pyser]

are we really done with shannon? i cant imagine that whole storyline being closed. they opened more doors than closed, as opposed to boone, who had nothing left to do.

but shannon still has to have it out with jack, doesnt she? it would be kind of lame to set that whole thing with her father up, and then kick her off the show.

[gottimd]

are we really done with shannon? i cant imagine that whole storyline being closed. they opened more doors than closed, as opposed to boone, who had nothing left to do.

but shannon still has to have it out with jack, doesnt she? it would be kind of lame to set that whole thing with her father up, and then kick her off the show.
Yeah, I don't think she is dead either. Cindy is the one the voice over noted was gone forever. And as Jamesumd put earlier, they will get Shannon back to Jack " and he will pull a MacGuyver on her and save her with the innerds of a ballpoint pen or seat cushion."

[rkmsuf]

Yeah, I don't think she is dead either. Cindy is the one the voice over noted was gone forever. And as Jamesumd put earlier, they will get Shannon back to Jack " and he will pull a MacGuyver on her and save her with the innerds of a ballpoint pen or seat cushion."


I hate that storyline. Dump her off a cliff and let's move on.

[rkmsuf]

It's much cooler if Shannon is out.

Sayid will be like "Waaaaaa"

Jack will be like "Awwww"

Kate will be like *shrug*

Hurley will be like "told ya dude"

Michael will be like "Walt!"

Walt will be like "ajh;aojo;aejr"

Sawyer will be like "Grrrrr!"

Jin will be like "No english."

Locke will be like "Somebody push the button!"

JJ Abrams will be like "Heh, try and find another gig this good sweetheart."

Hobbit will be like "meh, she wanted my stash."

Dog will be like "Wof!"

[gottimd]

You forgot to add two lines in there:

Ecko says "Boom goes the dynamite"

The Others say "Your base belongs to us"

[Joe Canadian]

It's much cooler if Shannon is out.

Sayid will be like "Waaaaaa"

Jack will be like "Awwww"

Kate will be like *shrug*

Hurley will be like "told ya dude"

Michael will be like "Walt!"

Walt will be like "ajh;aojo;aejr"

Sawyer will be like "Grrrrr!"

Jin will be like "No english."

Locke will be like "Somebody push the button!"

JJ Abrams will be like "Heh, try and find another gig this good sweetheart."

Hobbit will be like "meh, she wanted my stash."

Dog will be like "Wof!"

LOL!

[Swaggs]

Here is something to ponder, and someone correct me if I am wrong, I will have to watch when I get home but the audience never sees Shannon/Sayid together with Tailies/Rafties. The shots are presented together in such a way that our minds fill in the the blanks, and we presume that the events are occuring together. Is it possible that someone else shot Shannon, and either Sayid is looking at the killer, or Ana-Lucia is pointing her gun at the killer? But that the scenes are put together to make the audience think that Ana Lucia shot Shannon and they are meeting up at that moment?

I am almost leaning towards the fact that someone else shot Shannon, maybe Danielle from a distance. All we saw was Shannon run off into the jungle, wouldn't Mike/Jin recognized her as she ran up on that group? Why would Michael and Jin be so silent at that moment when Ana is pointing the gun at someone?

Excellent point. I hadn't thought about it, but I bet you are right.

I think Shannon is done. She may linger for a few more episodes, but word was out that one of the regulars was unhappy with their contracts and she has been quoted as saying it is tough for a young actress to be away from Hollywood (re: movie opportunities).

With the tailies potentially adding more main characters, she is expendable. The blonde psychologist has been in some movies and TV series, so she may end up with a larger role than we are expecting. Ana-Lucia, Mr. Echo (who I'm guessing we are all missing something with his name), and now Rose and Bernard could all emerge as main characters.

[Pyser]

haha, i just laughed when i remembered "echo" represents the letter E.

Mr. E.

Mystery.

Funny one, writers (even though its Mr. Eko, i believe, the point still stands).

[Raiders Army]

Walt has taken a decidedly creepy turn. He used to be so nice.

Oh and Michael got the line in last night. "They took my son!"
Whenever they showed Mike onscreen last night I yelled out "WAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!" much to the chagrin of my wife.

[Toddzilla]

Did anyone else notice in the Hospital scene that (1) Jack was rushing by as the other surgeon was talking and (2) Rose was sitting in the hallway reading a magazine?

[rkmsuf]

Whenever they showed Mike onscreen last night I yelled out "WAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!" much to the chagrin of my wife.

When he said "They took my son!" I actually chuckled.

[jbmagic]

Shannon not dead.


when Boone died, the next day he was doing interviews on mourning talk shows, etra, entertainment tonight about him being off the show.


if we dont see any interview with shannon today, we can assume she is stil on the show alive.

[Raiders Army]

Did anyone else notice in the Hospital scene that (1) Jack was rushing by as the other surgeon was talking and (2) Rose was sitting in the hallway reading a magazine?
#1 nope, although I heard about it. #2 nope, and I didn't hear about it. The Jack thing I can understand, but why would Rose be there?

On a different note, I think flere needs to come into this thread to show the relationships of everyone on the island both before and after the crash.

[Raiders Army]

But maybe Shannon dies in two weeks instead of last night. Then we could see an interview the next day.

[Swaggs]

But maybe Shannon dies in two weeks instead of last night. Then we could see an interview the next day.

That's what I am guessing. She'll have a dramatic few weeks, but I think she is as good as dead and the actress that plays her has probably shot her last scenes (other than an occasional flashback in the future).

[Daimyo]

I think Shannon will be dead (maybe she'll last a few more episodes). In the official podcast they talked about wanting to occasionally kill regulars to both 1) remind the audience how dangerous the environment is and 2) to allow them to keep the story fresh by rotating in new characters. I take that to mean Shannon is out and they'll move one or more of the tailies into the regular group of recuring storylines.

[Raiders Army]

Doesn't anyone else find it interesting that it took over a season to tell the fronties' story, but we're getting the tailies' story in one episode?

[Toddzilla]

FWIW, Maggie Grace no longer appears as a cast member for future episodes of Lost on IMDB.com

[gottimd]

Forget Post #621, I just watched it again, it shows Ana's (Ana Lucia or AnaL) sidearm in front of the camera as it looks on an angry/upset Sayid holding shannon. AnaL did shoot shannon.

I think the next episode will then start off right where this one left off, but I think Sayid may go crazy on AnaL and Ecko will intervene, and there will be a minor scuffle, and Michael will yell "WALT!" for no reason repeatedly. Okay maybe not the Walt comment, but Michael will most likely intervene on the scuffle and demand to know the details of what happened to the tail end people, and thus the flashback to the tail enders begins.
And there is no way that is Rose in the Hospital. Yes, it is a black woman sitting there reading, but its not her.

[Draft Dodger]

Forget Post #621, I just watched it again, it shows Ana's (Ana Lucia or AnaL) sidearm in front of the camera as it looks on an angry/upset Sayid holding shannon. AnaL did shoot shannon.


still doesn't mean AL shot her.

[Easy Mac]

When he said "They took my son!" I actually chuckled.
I understand it is quite annoying, but we have to remember its been like 4 days worth of stuff since they even left the island. I'd think if my son was taken, I'd still be bitching/looking for him after 4 days.

[mauchow]

It's not Mr. Echo, it's Mistereko.... I think.

At least that's what my CC said when I saw the episode when he first came in and introduced himself.

[gottimd]

It's not Mr. Echo, it's Mistereko.... I think.

At least that's what my CC said when I saw the episode when he first came in and introduced himself.
Those things are not 100% correct. Couldn't it mean Mister Eko too, which is the same thing as Mr. Echo? Phonetically the same thing. I'm sure that is not his real name anyway. We'll find out soon enough.

[QuikSand]

If we're squabbling about "Mister Echo" versus "Mistereko" ... Ana referend to him as "Echo" in this episode one time.

[jbmagic]

why have a backstory of Shannon crossing with Jack, if there plan was to kill off shannon.

it makes no sense, if there not going to continue with it.

[moriarty]

why have a backstory of Shannon crossing with Jack, if there plan was to kill off shannon.

it makes no sense, if there not going to continue with it.

There's been numerous instances of people appearing in other people's flashbacks throughout the show. So far there's been no follow up to any of them. It just sorta suggests that they're all related somehow.

Edit - except for possibly Sawyer telling Jack about his dad.

[Joe Canadian]

IMDB says it's Mr. Eko...

[jamesUMD]

Did anyone else also notice that Sayid never retrieved his gun when he set it down in the tent?

[gottimd]

IMDB says it's Mr. Eko...
The elderly lady who lives next door to me said its Mysterioko.

My cats name is mittens.

[Easy Mac]

supernintendo chalmers?

[gottimd]

supernintendo chalmers?You bent my wookie!

[Easy Mac]

you choo choo choose me?

[gottimd]

That's my swingset, and that's my sandbox. I'm not allowed to go in the deep end. And this is where I met the leprechaun. He tells me to burn things.

[Easy Mac]

Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and then the baby looked at me.

[jbmagic]

what going to happen is Jack wil have a decision to make. to save Sawyer or Shannon from dying.

that what he had to do between Shannon Dad and the Girl (finance).

so again jack wil have a decision who to save.

[Joe Canadian]

what going to happen is Jack wil have a decision to make. to save Sawyer or Shannon from dying.

that what he had to do between Shannon Dad and the Girl (finance).

so again jack wil have a decision who to save.

Good call...

[gottimd]

Agreed, great theory!

[Draft Dodger]

Did anyone else also notice that Sayid never retrieved his gun when he set it down in the tent?

but is that really relevant, though, as the tent was the night before?

[Draft Dodger]

Here is something to ponder, and someone correct me if I am wrong, I will have to watch when I get home but the audience never sees Shannon/Sayid together with Tailies/Rafties. The shots are presented together in such a way that our minds fill in the the blanks, and we presume that the events are occuring together. Is it possible that someone else shot Shannon, and either Sayid is looking at the killer, or Ana-Lucia is pointing her gun at the killer? But that the scenes are put together to make the audience think that Ana Lucia shot Shannon and they are meeting up at that moment?

I am almost leaning towards the fact that someone else shot Shannon, maybe Danielle from a distance. All we saw was Shannon run off into the jungle, wouldn't Mike/Jin recognized her as she ran up on that group? Why would Michael and Jin be so silent at that moment when Ana is pointing the gun at someone?

just watched some of the key scenes again with the wife. you hear the shot, see Shannon stumbling back to Sayid, then see Ana with the gun using her angry-sad face, and THEN you see Mike and Jin coming up the path. so they wouldn't have been there when Shannon ran up to the group, or when Ana pointed the gun.

someone on the Lost site (those dorks make us look almost cool) said that it wasn't raining on the tail group, but that's not correct. it definitely was raining. they've also got this whole right-handed, left-handed killer thing which doesn't work either.

[timmynausea]

what going to happen is Jack wil have a decision to make. to save Sawyer or Shannon from dying.

that what he had to do between Shannon Dad and the Girl (finance).

so again jack wil have a decision who to save.

That would be pretty sweet.

[Draft Dodger]

what going to happen is Jack wil have a decision to make. to save Sawyer or Shannon from dying.

that what he had to do between Shannon Dad and the Girl (finance).

so again jack wil have a decision who to save.

nice idea, that would only work, IMO, if he decided to save Shannon (ying and yang) and I don't think they would kill Sawyer.

plus, they've already made him choose once - between working on Boone and helping Claire.

[Draft Dodger]

speaking of Boone, was it just me, or did he look just like Rob Lowe in the flashbacks last night? was he filming a biopic somewhere? (actually, he's filming something right now in Peterborough, NH).

[Joe Canadian]

(those dorks make us look almost cool)

Almost cool? :confused:

[Draft Dodger]

Almost cool? :confused:

almost!

[NoMyths]

nice idea, that would only work, IMO, if he decided to save Shannon (ying and yang) and I don't think they would kill Sawyer.

plus, they've already made him choose once - between working on Boone and helping Claire.So why not then give him the trifecta of dead family members on his watch? :)

[KWhit]

I really hate that AL chick. She is a horrible addition to the show, IMO.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I really hate that AL chick. She is a horrible addition to the show, IMO.
Agreed. She's an incredibly annoying one-note character. I am hoping that after she kills Shannon she'll drop the attitude. I am also hoping that her character will be given more depth and we'll be at least somewhat sympathetic to her after we see what happened to the tailies in the next ep.

[Easy Mac]

speaking of Boone, was it just me, or did he look just like Rob Lowe in the flashbacks last night? was he filming a biopic somewhere? (actually, he's filming something right now in Peterborough, NH).
Boone is a pretty, pretty man. But if you want to watch him at his prettiest, see him in Rules of Attraction.

[Draft Dodger]

Agreed. She's an incredibly annoying one-note character. I am hoping that after she kills Shannon she'll drop the attitude. I am also hoping that her character will be given more depth and we'll be at least somewhat sympathetic to her after we see what happened to the tailies in the next ep.

I assume this is the case...except that they already did this same thing with Sawyer. heck, they even had him shoot the damn marshall.

not really all that confident that Michelle Rodriguez could pull off additional depth anyway.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I assume this is the case...except that they already did this same thing with Sawyer. heck, they even had him shoot the damn marshall.

not really all that confident that Michelle Rodriguez could pull off additional depth anyway.
They did. Anna Lucia wasn't nearly this annoying in her minor appearance in the first season in one of Jack's flashbacks. She was fine. A bit sassy and with some attitude, but nothing like we've seen thus far.

[Easy Mac]

I was going to say the same thing as Draft Dodger. Michelle Rodriguez really has nothing beyond the whole "I'm an angry Latina woman". It works for her and she occassionally looks hot doing it, but it wears thin. I was tired of it by the end of The Fast and the Furious, and she was all I disliked about SWAT. The only emotion she has is that half-smirk thing she does.

That being said, anyone notice him calling her DeSoto the other day. Her last name is Cortez. Sawyer is by far my favorite character on the show.

And yeah, was thinking of the "will Jack save Shannon or Sawyer?" I say he'd save Sawyer, if only because Kate would make him. Jack might as well finish off the family. But maybe this will lead to the split that's been rumored. Sayid will split from Jack and Locke will follow Sayid, Charlie will stay with Jack, Claire will be in the middle... it's all leading to something.

[jamesUMD]

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but is that really relevant, though, as the tent was the night before?
I think it has to have some relevance. There is not too much in this show that occurs in a scene by happenstance. I absolutely think there was a reason that they made a point of him stating, "I don't need this on me all the time" or whatever similar phrase he said.

We'll see but I bet 2-3 episodes from now we'll be like, "That's right he left the gun."

[Cuckoo]

...and she was all I disliked about SWAT.

All you disliked? You really should watch it again. There's plenty to dislike about that movie. ;)

However, count me in as one of the ones who has been irritated by her so far in Lost.

[Easy Mac]

All you disliked? You really should watch it again. There's plenty to dislike about that movie. ;)

However, count me in as one of the ones who has been irritated by her so far in Lost.
SWAT is my guilty pleasure movie... not sure why, I have to watch it at least once a month. The thing is, it could have been such a better movie if it was rated R.

[gottimd]

Ok, so people are now looking at the wound Shannon had and examining it very closely. There are screen caps everywhere on the internet and fanatics are now saying that it is too big of a wound when looked at closely to resemble a GSW. It looks like a stab wound. So maybe she was stabbed and AL took a shot at whomever was stabbing her?

Also, I think JB mentioned something about Mr. Ecko being a native on the island. Is it possible, that yes, he wasn't on that plane at all, but he was in a plane crash. Remember the plane that crashed that Boone and Locke found? Wasn't it some Nigerian drug smuggling plane?

[Raiders Army]

Also, I think JB mentioned something about Mr. Ecko being a native on the island. Is it possible, that yes, he wasn't on that plane at all, but he was in a plane crash. Remember the plane that crashed that Boone and Locke found? Wasn't it some Nigerian drug smuggling plane?
Good call. He seemed to be the "tracker" of the group and had the most experience with The Others. I wouldn't be surprised if this is so.

[Samdari]

Ok, so people are now looking at the wound Shannon had and examining it very closely. There are screen caps everywhere on the internet and fanatics are now saying that it is too big of a wound when looked at closely to resemble a GSW. It looks like a stab wound. So maybe she was stabbed and AL took a shot at whomever was stabbing her?


Guys, the character is dead. This was not a planned plot device, but Maggie Grace wanted off the show, so they worked it in. This has been known for months (the Maggie Grace part).

[gottimd]

I wasn't debating that she is dead, but the fact of how she died.(Stab or GSW)

[Bearcat729]

More fun with the Hanso Foundation webpage

go here (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/khr.html)

enter Copenhagen in the box.

[DanGarion]

I wasn't debating that she is dead, but the fact of how she died.(Stab or GSW)
It's not like it was a real wound. Debating as to what the wound looks like is sort of silly (imo).

[Raven]

More fun with the Hanso Foundation webpage

go here (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/khr.html)

enter Copenhagen in the box.


It doesn't appear to matter what you enter in the box. You will get the same results by entering "shithead".

[Bearcat729]

It doesn't appear to matter what you enter in the box. You will get the same results by entering "shithead".


Really because I only see the copy of the fax if I type Copenhagen in the box.

[cthomer5000]

Guys, the character is dead. This was not a planned plot device, but Maggie Grace wanted off the show, so they worked it in. This has been known for months (the Maggie Grace part).
file this under "career moves people will severely regret." I like to call it a "David Caruso."

[Joe Canadian]

file this under "career moves people will severely regret." I like to call it a "David Caruso."

Except for some reason he's been "rewarded" for leaving Blue... and I don't think comparing the girl who played Shannon to Caruso is fair, at least she can act a bit.

[cthomer5000]

Except for some reason he's been "rewarded" for leaving Blue... and I don't think comparing the girl who played Shannon to Caruso is fair, at least she can act a bit.
Oh, i think the Caruso move was still a terrible ones. He had some lean years in there when he expected to be a supestar.

This girl has even less upside, IMHO. I wouldn't be surprised if I never see her again in a movie or TV show i watch. She'll probably not get a lot of gigs she auditions for, then end up playing a character on a daytime soap opera for 10 years.

[Joe Canadian]

Oh, i think the Caruso move was still a terrible ones. He had some lean years in there when he expected to be a supestar.

This girl has even less upside, IMHO. I wouldn't be surprised if I never see her again in a movie or TV show i watch. She'll probably not get a lot of gigs she auditions for, then end up playing a character on a daytime soap opera for 10 years.

Yeah, I'm just saying at least she can act... compared to Caruso who is possibily the worst actor I've ever seen.

[Noop]

“From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible.”

- Alvar Hanso, Address to the U.N. Security Council, 196

I got that when I enter ABC into that Hanso page.

[Noop]

Hmm I found something interesting... I took the 4th 8th 15th 16th 23rd 42nd Letters of the address to the UN and got the letters. MDURSI

I was tired making words with them and found on interesting one. murids

It might have been luck but it kinda of fits with the show.

[Raven]

Really because I only see the copy of the fax if I type Copenhagen in the box.


I'm not getting a fax. I'm seeing the same thing that Noop has posted, regardless of what I enter in the box.

[gottimd]

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_press.gifhttp://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_who.gif

[Rizon]

Shannon had a decent rack, so now somebody has to step up and be The Rack. I think it could be the Australian chick, she should have some extra rack to feed that baby.

[kingfc22]

It's much cooler if Shannon is out.

Sayid will be like "Waaaaaa"

Jack will be like "Awwww"

Kate will be like *shrug*

Hurley will be like "told ya dude"

Michael will be like "Walt!"

Walt will be like "ajh;aojo;aejr"

Sawyer will be like "Grrrrr!"

Jin will be like "No english."

Locke will be like "Somebody push the button!"

JJ Abrams will be like "Heh, try and find another gig this good sweetheart."

Hobbit will be like "meh, she wanted my stash."

Dog will be like "Wof!"
Finally watched last week's episode and now I can read this thread. This post has me rolling.http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://entertainment.myway.com/celebgossip/pgsixceleb/id/11_16_2005_2.html

Entertainment News
New York Post November 16, 2005
'LOST' NUMBERS = ZERO


MEMO to "Lost" fanat ics: those numbers you're all so obsessed with — not even the producers know what they mean.

"I think that that question will never, ever be answered," "Lost" co-creator Damon Lindelof tells today's edition of TV-Guide.com, when asked about the significance of the strange numbers — 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 — that have become so central to the series.

"I couldn't possibly imagine [how we would answer that question]. We will see more ramifications of the numbers and more usage of the numbers, but it boggles my mind when people ask me, 'What do the numbers mean?,' " Lindelof says.

The numbers have become a huge part of "Lost." In various ways, they've drawn many of the castaways to the island and were even used by one character — Hurley — to win the lottery before he got on the ill-fated flight.

"Lost" co-creator Carlton Cuse tells the Web site that Shannon (Maggie Grace) was indeed shot and killed on last week's episode. Fans have been speculating all week that her death was a red herring.

"She was shot," he says.

Lindelof adds that "Lost" fans who analyze each episode may be reading a little too much into the show.

"They totally are," he says. — Don Kaplan

[Draft Dodger]

"She was shot," he says.

Lindelof adds that "Lost" fans who analyze each episode may be reading a little too much into the show.

"They totally are," he says. — Don Kaplan [/I]

well, it just says she was shot, not that she's dead
:p

hey, anyone have info on Destination Lost? It was the first "episode" this year which seemed to be just a repeat of all the flashbacks. I skipped it, but now I'm wondering if there was anything new / interesting in it that I'd want to see...

[rexallllsc]

http://entertainment.myway.com/celebgossip/pgsixceleb/id/11_16_2005_2.html

Entertainment News
New York Post November 16, 2005
'LOST' NUMBERS = ZERO


MEMO to "Lost" fanat ics: those numbers you're all so obsessed with — not even the producers know what they mean.

"I think that that question will never, ever be answered," "Lost" co-creator Damon Lindelof tells today's edition of TV-Guide.com, when asked about the significance of the strange numbers — 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 — that have become so central to the series.

"I couldn't possibly imagine [how we would answer that question]. We will see more ramifications of the numbers and more usage of the numbers, but it boggles my mind when people ask me, 'What do the numbers mean?,' " Lindelof says.

The numbers have become a huge part of "Lost." In various ways, they've drawn many of the castaways to the island and were even used by one character — Hurley — to win the lottery before he got on the ill-fated flight.


Some of my worst fears that have cropped up due to the episodes I've seen this year may be true.

[Raiders Army]

Some of my worst fears that have cropped up due to the episodes I've seen this year may be true.
Huh?

[rkmsuf]

Walt!

[rexallllsc]

Huh?

That writers don't really know what the hell they're doing.

The numbers question will NEVER be answered? I'm starting to think that maybe the show just got lucky it's first year.

[Toddzilla]

That writers don't really know what the hell they're doing.

The numbers question will NEVER be answered? I'm starting to think that maybe the show just got lucky it's first year.

Did you guys know that if you use the numbers as a latitude and longitude, it comes up as a small isolated island in the south pacific, roughly in the flightpath of a Sydney-LAX flight? Try it in Google Maps:

hxxtp://maps.google.com/maps?ll=4.815000,162.342000&spn=2.724555,3.950409&t=k&hl=en

OMG, the numbers are even IN ORDER! :cool:

[QuikSand]

I think it's folly to really believe that the core elements of this show were planned out, 50+ episodes in advance, at the outset.

They knew they had something where the backstories of the people would have lots of coincidences. The numbers were a promising element of that, and it worked. Seeding in the numbers made sense to do, so they did it a lot. They may have some basic idea what, if anything it will trace to eventually... but there's no doubt in my mind at all that a lot of things are being written basically on the fly.

It's television. More clever than most, but there's never an endgame in television.

[rkmsuf]

It's television. More clever than most, but there's never an endgame in television.

We all knew sooner or later Jack Tripper would move out and get his own restaurant.

[Daimyo]

In the first podcast they basically said that while they have some basic idea where they want the show to go a season in advance, just about everything is made up on the fly.

[Joe Canadian]

That writers don't really know what the hell they're doing.

Televisin shows are never planned out for their full run after the first season of episodes... shows are written as they go, all the time.

The numbers question will NEVER be answered?

Source? The guy said he doesn't know how they'll explain them, he didn't say they never would.

------------------------

Seriously I'm starting to think that people have their sights set way to high for this show, it's bound to end in disapointed if you're going to treat this show like it was somehow made by God or something.

[marshall881]

Those of you who Tivo, don't forget to add extra time for the extended episode tonight!

[Joe Canadian]

Those of you who Tivo, don't forget to add extra time for the extended episode tonight!

Looks like, according to Yahoo! TV, that it will be the expected 10 mins. extra after all... Invasion looks to be 50 Mins, unless they are planning on delaying the local news.

[rexallllsc]

Televisin shows are never planned out for their full run after the first season of episodes... shows are written as they go, all the time

I understand that. But the story on the whole should be know to them, especially with a "stranded on the island, what's going on?" theme. Yes, elements will have to be added/takena way, but the main stuff should be solid going into the project (what the number signify, what the "monster" was, and so on). As of now, it kind of seems like not even the WRITERS know why a lot of the things that have happened happened.

Source? The guy said he doesn't know how they'll explain them, he didn't say they never would.

Same thing, in my mind. If they don't already know how the numbers "work" or tie together, then what's the point?

Seriously I'm starting to think that people have their sights set way to high for this show, it's bound to end in disapointed if you're going to treat this show like it was somehow made by God or something.

Or just that you aren't being yanked around by second-rate writers. I think I'll just stick to HBO series from now on.

[Raiders Army]

Walt!!!!

[rexallllsc]

Walt!!!!

"THEY TOOK MY SON!"

[rkmsuf]

Guy has the easiest job in Hollywood. He only has two lines.

[Raiders Army]

I believe he also said "Stay away from my son" to Locke a few times.

[rkmsuf]

I believe he also said "Stay away from my son" to Locke a few times.


He has range.

[Toddzilla]

No kidding - hell, when he was in OZ, he didn't even have to frickin' *walk*

[rkmsuf]

No kidding - hell, when he was in OZ, he didn't even have to frickin' *walk*

all he had to do in the matrix was operate the stupid ship and look concerned.

[Draft Dodger]

hey, anyone have info on Destination Lost? It was the first "episode" this year which seemed to be just a repeat of all the flashbacks. I skipped it, but now I'm wondering if there was anything new / interesting in it that I'd want to see...

Bueller? Bueller?

[duckman]

Walt!!!!!!!
Fixed that for you.

[rkmsuf]

Walt!!!!


Fixed it. Don't sell the man's range short.

[duckman]

Fixed it. Don't sell the man's range short.
It's still missing exclamation points.

[rkmsuf]

It's still missing exclamation points.


He doesn't have that much range.

[Bearcat729]

Mr Eko is a badass.

[Easy Mac]

I always liked that dude from Ed, he needs to get a show, he's funny.

[Easy Mac]

so yeah, i don't think shannon's really dead

[gottimd]

so yeah, i don't think shannon's really dead
Yes she is. That was a good episode.

[cthomer5000]

Didn't really care for this episode.

[flounder]

I knew there was a reason I never trusted the Peace Corps.

[VPI97]

Next week's preview showed Ana firing the gun....I thought there was only one bullet?

[Joe Canadian]

Fuck you CTV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Invasion comes on CTV at the same time as ABC so when that happens ABC's signal turns into CTV's... since this episode was extended I missed and they still made the switch at the same time I missed everything after Jin washed ashore.

[samifan24]

Fuck you CTV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Invasion comes on CTV at the same time as ABC so when that happens ABC's signal turns into CTV's... since this episode was extended I missed and they still made the switch at the same time I missed everything after Jin washed ashore.

After Jin washed ashore they showed the new group throwing Jin, Michael and Sawyer into the pit and then up until Ana Lucia shot Shannon.

[mauchow]

After Jin washed ashore they showed the new group throwing Jin, Michael and Sawyer into the pit and then up until Ana Lucia shot Shannon.
What!? That doesn't sound familiar!

[Poli]

Next week's preview showed Ana firing the gun....I thought there was only one bullet?Glad I wasn't the only one who saw that.

[mauchow]

Glad I wasn't the only one who saw that.
What am I missing here?

[cthomer5000]

Next week's preview showed Ana firing the gun....I thought there was only one bullet?
she's firing a mind bullet.

[Rizon]

Mr Eko is a badass.

I'm waiting for him to say "Fuck you, Jobu"

[spleen1015]

I noticed her firing again as well. WTF?

The other question that came to mind for me was Bernard being up in that tree strapped into a seat. Maybe I am not remembering things right, but wasn't he out of his seat using the restroom in the tail section when the tail section broke off? I thought that is was she told Jack when he talked to her early in the first season.

Did he have time to get into a seat before all hell broke lose?

[ThunderingHERD]

That writers don't really know what the hell they're doing.

The numbers question will NEVER be answered? I'm starting to think that maybe the show just got lucky it's first year.

The numbers were never intended to be a major part of the show--they started writing them into the stories more when people became fascinated with that aspect.

[gottimd]

Did he have time to get into a seat before all hell broke lose?
Probably yes. I'm sure he went to the bathroom and when everything went awry he grabbed the closest available seat and buckled up.

[Raiders Army]

I noticed her firing again as well. WTF?

The other question that came to mind for me was Bernard being up in that tree strapped into a seat. Maybe I am not remembering things right, but wasn't he out of his seat using the restroom in the tail section when the tail section broke off? I thought that is was she told Jack when he talked to her early in the first season.

Did he have time to get into a seat before all hell broke lose?
I noticed that as well. I was thinking at first maybe he's not the Bernard we think he is, but then he asked about an African-American woman.

And I agree, Mr. Ecko is a total badass. He took out two others with his bare hands (and a rock, but whatever).

[Glengoyne]

I think it's folly to really believe that the core elements of this show were planned out, 50+ episodes in advance, at the outset.

They knew they had something where the backstories of the people would have lots of coincidences. The numbers were a promising element of that, and it worked. Seeding in the numbers made sense to do, so they did it a lot. They may have some basic idea what, if anything it will trace to eventually... but there's no doubt in my mind at all that a lot of things are being written basically on the fly.

It's television. More clever than most, but there's never an endgame in television.
It may be folly, but I have hopes that they really do have a set of events planned out over a finite, if not definite, number of seasons. There has been some evidence of that in just the second year. Namely the logos slipped into the background of scenes in the first season.

It wouldn't be the first time that kind of foresight has been seen in Television. I still remember watching season three of Babylon 5, when they revealed the other half of a story line that had unknowingly, to me at least, started back in the first season. It had always been planned. They planted the seed in the first season, and it bloomed in the third.

[Samdari]

I was thinking at first maybe he's not the Bernard we think he is

The first time he met Jin/Michael/Sawyer, he asked about his wife Rose.

[Raiders Army]

The first time he met Jin/Michael/Sawyer, he asked about his wife Rose.
I remember that now. :)

Did anyone else wonder how Michelle Rodriguez got him down from the tree? "Stay put, I'll get you down" and it looks like she's going to climb up there after him. There's no way he got on her back and she climbed down.

[rkmsuf]

Not a big fan of the whole tail section storyline. Feels like they are really reaching to stretch this out even more than it already is.

Makes sense I guess if you have 20 million people every week watching.

[Swaggs]

Not a big fan of the whole tail section storyline. Feels like they are really reaching to stretch this out even more than it already is.

Makes sense I guess if you have 20 million people every week watching.

Seemed like a lot of work to add five new people to the cast, but I thought that episode was pretty well done. I wish they would have progressed the overall story, as a whole, for like the last five minutes at least, though.

[Malificent]

It may be folly, but I have hopes that they really do have a set of events planned out over a finite, if not definite, number of seasons. There has been some evidence of that in just the second year. Namely the logos slipped into the background of scenes in the first season.

It wouldn't be the first time that kind of foresight has been seen in Television. I still remember watching season three of Babylon 5, when they revealed the other half of a story line that had unknowingly, to me at least, started back in the first season. It had always been planned. They planted the seed in the first season, and it bloomed in the third.

There was some of that in Buffy too. I always think of television writing like what I do planning out a pen & paper roleplaying campaign. I have a distinct beginning and a pretty strong idea of where I want it to end, but a lot of what goes in between is made up on the fly to adapt to how the players change. In fact, I've started thinking of campaigns in terms of 22 episode seasons...:)

I imagine the Lost writers are working similarly, adjusting on the fly. Which makes sense, considering you cant necessarily guarantee certain actors will be available for the entire run of the show, so you have to have some flexibility.