Lost, Season 2

[sovereignstar]

Season premiere starts at 9pm eastern on ABC. Tune in or catch a glimpse of it later on a Live Links commerical.

[gottimd]

For those of you who want to be spoiled, go to aintitcoolnews.com

[rkmsuf]

For those of you who want to be spanked, go to my house

:eek:

[kingfc22]

gottimd and his spoilers. BOOO!!!!

Can't wait for tonight.

[gottimd]

gottimd and his spoilers. BOOO!!!!

Can't wait for tonight.
Want to be spanked?

Hey I don't post them on here, just let the curious know where to find. I can also tell you the ending to many movies that are out as well if you would like?

[Raiders Army]

What's the deal with Rosebud?

[gottimd]

What's the deal with Rosebud?
His pet name for his gay lover.

[NoMyths]

My girlfriend decided that we needed to watch all of the episodes and catch up with the show, and is thoroughly hooked. Looks like season 2 will have it's claws in me as well.

Fwiw, there's quite a bit of skill at work with this show, and it's pretty watchable (in part because they focus so much on character, which is one of the reasons Twin Peaks was so successful as a cult hit despite the mysteries eventually being unraveled). Guess I'll be along for the ride now.

Oh, and another fwiw: since Sawyer was reading Watership Down the similarities between the bunnies and the castaways predicaments were mentioned. Didn't see anyone mention that he was later shown reading A Wrinkle in Time, which makes me think we're in for some time related hijinks. My guess is that the eventual mystery of the show revolves around the issue of time.

[gottimd]

My girlfriend decided that we needed to watch all of the episodes and catch up with the show, and is thoroughly hooked. Looks like season 2 will have it's claws in me as well.

Fwiw, there's quite a bit of skill at work with this show, and it's pretty watchable (in part because they focus so much on character, which is one of the reasons Twin Peaks was so successful as a cult hit despite the mysteries eventually being unraveled). Guess I'll be along for the ride now.

Oh, and another fwiw: since Sawyer was reading Watership Down the similarities between the bunnies and the castaways predicaments were mentioned. Didn't see anyone mention that he was later shown reading A Wrinkle in Time, which makes me think we're in for some time related hijinks. My guess is that the eventual mystery of the show revolves around the issue of time.
There are many different speculations I have read on the Lost forums. Many people have analyzed in so much detail, it is ridiculous. (Yours above is one of the many speculations noted).

[sovereignstar]

Man, no cable = the sux0rs

I could get better reception by rubbing two sticks together.

[amdaily]

This is one show I'm not getting suckered into this year. Not worth the time, I doubt the plot moves any further this year than it did last year.

[sovereignstar]

sourpuss sourpuss

[duckman]

Somebody has a little sand in his vagina.

[kingfc22]

damn you east coasters. I want to watch Lost NOW!!!

[Poli]

Season premiere starts at 9pm eastern on ABC. Tune in or catch a glimpse of it later on a Live Links commerical.Looking forward to seeing this after missing the first season.

[cthomer5000]

Fantastic episode tonight. I was especially fond of the opening, thought it was a very, very cool.

[samifan24]

I watched the one hour recap of the first season to prep myself for tonight's season two premiere. I thoroughly enjoyed it and am now hooked on this show!

[Honolulu_Blue]

It was very cool and very spooky. Good stuff.

[Easy Mac]

that was a horribly disappointing episode.

[jbmagic]

there another thread already started.

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=34194

[gottimd]

I think this show needs another thread, needs to start catching up to the werewolfs.

Either that or more cowbell.

[cthomer5000]

there another thread already started.

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=34194 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?t=34194)
Personally, I refuse to start posting in an already 10 page thread about the new season.

[cthomer5000]

that was a horribly disappointing episode.
did you want everything to wrap up in one show? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[gottimd]

did you want everything to wrap up in one show? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
Those are my thoughts exactly. Then the rest of the season would be boring. That would be like in the 6th sense if you knew Bruce Willis was dead, or Memento in the right direction, or if I had any clue what the hell Mullholland Drive was about.

[ice4277]

I was actually surprised there was that much stuff 'revealed'.

[Easy Mac]

did you want everything to wrap up in one show? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
I'd like anything to happen... but I'll make sure not to post on a messageboard again so I don't disrupt anyone's ideas about anything.

[Raiders Army]

As I thought last season's finale was woefully bad, the first episode of the second season was good. At least we're getting somewhere.

[cthomer5000]

I'd like anything to happen... but I'll make sure not to post on a messageboard again so I don't disrupt anyone's ideas about anything.
How did nothing happen in the episdoe though, that's what i'm not grasping? If anything, they covered more ground in this epsidode than I expected.

[Cuckoo]

How did nothing happen in the episdoe though, that's what i'm not grasping? If anything, they covered more ground in this epsidode than I expected.

Agreed completely - loved the episode. Gave me chills a couple times, and I was hooked.

[Samdari]

If anything, they covered more ground in this epsidode than I expected.

Me too. To jump right in and show you - in the first scene - that someone is living with the comfort of modern conveniences in the hatch showed quite a bit IMO. The fun of this show is speculating/discussing what might be the secret of the Island. If they revealed that, then this show becomes nothing more than a soap opera set on an island or a dramatic Gilligan's Island with better production values. I have no problem with the answers they reveal leading to even more questions. In fact, I rather enjoy it.

[cthomer5000]

Going back the introduction, I really thought it was outstanding. I assumed it was a flashback, as did everyone I imagine, up until the point where you heard the bang/saw the rumble... then I realized "wow, this is inside the hatch!!"

Completely unexpected, and it now raises a zillion questions of its own. How long has that guy been in there? Was that setup built before him (it had a late 70's/early 80's vibe with the old-school computer and vinyl records), how much time has passed between Jack's surgery flashback and now?

I think the show has really done a good job of bringing us along slowly while keeping me hooked and wanting more.

[sovereignstar]

Ending up *cough* "taping" the show, since I had such bad reception. Will have to watch it later tonight. Will post some thoughts then.

[John Galt]

Going back the introduction, I really thought it was outstanding. I assumed it was a flashback, as did everyone I imagine, up until the point where you heard the bang/saw the rumble... then I realized "wow, this is inside the hatch!!"

Completely unexpected, and it now raises a zillion questions of its own. How long has that guy been in there? Was that setup built before him (it had a late 70's/early 80's vibe with the old-school computer and vinyl records), how much time has passed between Jack's surgery flashback and now?

I think the show has really done a good job of bringing us along slowly while keeping me hooked and wanting more.

But one odd thing that stuck out to me was that he had what looked to be a very modern (front loading) washer and dryer. 70s style overall and ancient computer technology, but recent appliances. Very odd (unless I was imagining things).

[marshall881]

I saw the same thing. The washer and dryer appeared to be new. They looked like the Duet washer and dryer.

[gottimd]

But one odd thing that stuck out to me was that he had what looked to be a very modern (front loading) washer and dryer. 70s style overall and ancient computer technology, but recent appliances. Very odd (unless I was imagining things).
Yeah, my wife said the same thing. When they first showed the hatch dwelling, she said it must be the 70's, and then I said "No way, look at some of those appliances, they seem fairly modern".

Maybe he ventures out of there every few years? Or has an internet connection and gets them delivered?:rolleyes:

[John Galt]

Maybe he ventures out of there every few years? Or has an internet connection and gets them delivered?:rolleyes:

Someone might know better than me, but I believe it is improper rolleyes etiquette to roll eyes at your own suggestion. ;)

[gottimd]

Someone might know better than me, but I believe it is improper rolleyes etiquette to roll eyes at your own suggestion. ;):rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[jamesUMD]

I talked with people at work and here are our observations:

The vial he injected had the familiar string of numbers on it
the number entered into the computer had the same numbers
I believe the button that Walt said not to push is the one Jack almost did
The island is the quarantine-not the shaft (as others have said here)
The guy that Jack's wife/slash fiance hit in her accident (he died) had the same last name as Shannon
the graffti in the tunnel had 108 in it which equals the sum of the string of numbers

[Honolulu_Blue]

Well the Europeans are and have been far more advanced than the US in washers and driers, so maybe that explains the "modern" looking appliances.

[cthomer5000]

Any thoughts on the passage of time between Jack performing that surgery and them being on the island? I could see as many as 10 years being in the realm of possibility.

Also, I've decided that if there isn't some additional backstory with the "brother" guy (the one in the hatch), then it was pointless to have mave made the character someone Jack had met before.

[gottimd]

Any thoughts on the passage of time between Jack performing that surgery and them being on the island? I could see as many as 10 years being in the realm of possibility.

Also, I've decided that if there isn't some additional backstory with the "brother" guy (the one in the hatch), then it was pointless to have mave made the character someone Jack had met before.Desmond is in other peoples backstory's as well, so I'm sure there will be many connections to be made with this guy.

Also, go to oceanicflight815.com and click on the barcode on the bottom. Enter "theislandiswaiting" all one word and read the script.

[kingfc22]

I did not catch that the guy's last name in the accident. Probably is her dad if you are correct.

[kingfc22]

Any thoughts on the magnet found in the hatch? Possible radar jamming?

[gottimd]

I did not catch that the guy's last name in the accident. Probably is her dad if you are correct.
Rutherford, which is Shannons last name. He died at 8:15pm as well.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Rutherford, which is Shannons last name. He died at 8:15pm as well.
Damnation! Why did I delete this episode off my TiVO. I knew I shouldn't have done that.

[kingfc22]

Going to have to watch this episode again.

[gottimd]

Damnation! Why did I delete this episode off my TiVO. I knew I shouldn't have done that.
Hey JamesUMD, how did you know what walt said from listening to the episode? Apparently you are correct but he said it backwards and people on the internet have captured it from the audio and reversed it and posted it and that is what he said.

[jamesUMD]

That one I actually have to credit to the radio. A girl on my team at work, heard that one. I do remember Walt also saying that same thing to Locke before they left on the boat though, in the season finale. He told Locke out of the blue, "don't press the button", and Locke looked at him, like "huh", and then shrugged it off.

I am 99.9% certain that they will meet up with the other people from the back of the plane sometime this season. In my mind it was cemented in the recap show when they showed the scene with Rose (I think she only appeared in the first 2 episodes) where she said that her husband is still alive, and he happened to be in the portajohn at the time that the plane broke up.

My thought on the magnet that attracted Jack's key is that, it powers up (kind of like the Death Star), and the magnet , becomes powerful enough to bring down airplanes/drag ships ashore (kind of like a tractor beam).

Desmon minus 1 letter spells what?

Name 2 people that were apparently paralyzed from the waist down and miraculously were able to walk again? There is another connection there but I am not sure what it is yet.

I refuse to look at any of the websites that have "supposed" spoilers. I like the show because it makes me think. It's like watching a puzzle. Obviously I think through the plot too much.

Last thing. In the season finale when they showed everyone getting on the plane they showed Jack sit down on the plane and in the corner, somewhat blurred, they showed another person, that I swear was staring at Jack. In any other show I would not have thought twice about it, but I almost swore that it meant that there was some sort of meaning behind it. The writers think too many things through to believe otherwise.

Just my thoughts. By the way I love the show lol!

[gottimd]

There is no doubt they will meet the other people from the back of the plane. They wouldn't have brought Michelle Rodriguez on for that small part at the airport bar if she wasn't going to appear again.

I am Lost (no pun intended) on at the beginning of the episode it seems like Desmonds underground lair has windows and light (when he is lying in the bed and in the kitchen).

Also did you notice that he was sleeping in a bunk bed? Who sleeps on the bottom? Ethan?

[Joe]

Man, no cable = the sux0rs

I could get better reception by rubbing two sticks together.

Word. My cable got disconnected today. Fucking cable company wanting money. Reception sucks ass. :mad:

[kingfc22]

Desmond is in other peoples backstory's as well, so I'm sure there will be many connections to be made with this guy.
I don't recall seeing him in season 1. Would you mind telling me whose flashbacks he was in?

[kingfc22]

Check out this link. Not much of a spoiler, but recaps almost everything regarding the numbers. Pretty interesting.

hxxp://forums.go.com/abc/oceanic/thread?threadID=463024

[sovereignstar]

Just got done watching it. And wow, I agree that the first scene kicked ass. Watching the episode in the pitch dark on my laptop definitely added to the suspense. Anyways, I don't have much to add at this point. Hope the season remains this strong.

[Schmidty]

I was forced to watch the episode by my wife, and my opinion of the show has nit changed one bit. Guess I'm a sour-puss too.

[gottimd]

I don't recall seeing him in season 1. Would you mind telling me whose flashbacks he was in?
Good things come to those who wait.

[cthomer5000]

Good things come to those who wait.
Well, if you're going to toss out spoilers, I (and others) would apprecaite you labeling it as such in the future.

[gottimd]

Well, if you're going to toss out spoilers, I (and others) would apprecaite you labeling it as such in the future.
Its not a spoiler, its just advice.

[panerd]

Yeah I never understood the enjoyment people get from...

A) Reading what is going to happen on a show they enjoy before it happens

and

B) Thinking other people care that you know AND want to know what is going to happen on a show before it happens.

The only television viewing phenomenon that irratates me more than this is the calling lines one. Unless me and my buddies are sitting around all calling lines because we love a movie than don't quote lines. I don't care that you can tell me the next line Teddy KGB is going to say it is really annoying.

[Samdari]

I have had that damn song going through my head for two days.

[gottimd]

I read a forum where people discuss the show and offer possible theories and discuss what has happened and tell about things that happened in the episode that maybe I missed, after I watch the episode.

Occassionally there will be a spoiler that is revealed but not confirmed, but it doesn't really reveal anything about the plot, just a minor detail to stir up thoughts and theories. Believe me, there is a thread out there where an ending has been revealed apparently, and I refuse to press on that link.

[samifan24]

Believe me, there is a thread out there where an ending has been revealed apparently, and I refuse to press on that link.

Why would anyone want to know the ending? That'd ruin the fun.

[gottimd]

Why would anyone want to know the ending? That'd ruin the fun.
The same reason why people always go looking for presents on Christmas or other holidays. No patience, and want to know rather than finding out in due time or being surprised.

[cthomer5000]

I have had that damn song going through my head for two days.You can't stop The Mamas & The Papas, you can only hope to contain them.

edit: or is that song technically Mama Cass, solo?

[DanGarion]

Good things come to those who wait.

Um did you answer the question?

[sovereignstar]

I am Lost (no pun intended) on at the beginning of the episode it seems like Desmonds underground lair has windows and light (when he is lying in the bed and in the kitchen).

I don't think that's worth thinking about too much. With the right type of light shining in (or because we're talking about a TV show), I'm sure something could be set up to make it look like he's really above the ground.

[BigDPW]

I don't think that's worth thinking about too much. With the right type of light shining in (or because we're talking about a TV show), I'm sure something could be set up to make it look like he's really above the ground.
It seemed when Jack was walking in the room with the computer just before Locke reappeared that he was in some sort of glass atrium that could easily have been above ground... Anyone notice that??? So I think part of that hatch complex does get light from above ground...

[DanGarion]

Oh yeah, we rewatched the show last night and you can FAINTLY here a female screaming when Jack enters the room and the music is blasting.

[gottimd]

Oh yeah, we rewatched the show last night and you can FAINTLY here a female screaming when Jack enters the room and the music is blasting.Wouldn't that be Kate, since she was the first to go down the shaft but something came up?

[Raiders Army]

Wouldn't that be Kate, since she was the first to go down
Heh heh.

[rexallllsc]

It seemed when Jack was walking in the room with the computer just before Locke reappeared that he was in some sort of glass atrium that could easily have been above ground... Anyone notice that??? So I think part of that hatch complex does get light from above ground...

It also seemed to me that the opening scene was daylight shinign through to the bunker, and then there was the explosion...but it was nighttime up above, no? Hmmm. Unless the explosion was a different incident entirely.

[gottimd]

It also seemed to me that the opening scene was daylight shinign through to the bunker, and then there was the explosion...but it was nighttime up above, no? Hmmm. Unless the explosion was a different incident entirely.
That is what I was talking about. But when the explosion happens, he turns out all of the lights I noticed and there doesn't seem to be any daylight anymore.

[cthomer5000]

Less intersting episode tonight (in my opinion). I personally find Michael to be the most annoying character in the show, and feel semi-bored when watching his backstory.

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[gottimd]

Less intersting episode tonight (in my opinion). I personally find Michael to be the most annoying character in the show, and feel semi-bored when watching his backstory.

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Did y'all catch the logo on the shark as it swam past?
Logo on the shark? What crack are you smoking? I need to watch it on tivo in slo-mo.

[cthomer5000]

Logo on the shark? What crack are you smoking? I need to watch it on tivo in slo-mo.
It wasn't anything I was looking for and I caught it easily on the first watch. Same logo as all the other stuff Desmond had.

[samifan24]

It wasn't anything I was looking for and I caught it easily on the first watch. Same logo as all the other stuff Desmond had.

Yes I saw it too. I don't have Tivo or anything like that so I have no way of double checking the scene but at least now I know I'm not the only who one saw a logo on the shark.

[timmynausea]

I saw the logo also.

[Swaggs]

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Do we all think that the "others" that were chasing Jin were the other plane survivors or did anyone else think otherwise?

[samifan24]

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Do we all think that the "others" that were chasing Jin were the other plane survivors or did anyone else think otherwise?

Yeah I was thinking about this also. I could be the group vs. the mysterious others only flipped so that Jin and the cast are the "others" to the other people on the island.

[panerd]

Yes I saw it too. I don't have Tivo or anything like that so I have no way of double checking the scene but at least now I know I'm not the only who one saw a logo on the shark.

Ah... Tivo. Anyone else with Tivo rewind and watch Kate's cleavage in the AC Vent in slo mo. Or am I just too much of a pervert?

[samifan24]

Ah... Tivo. Anyone else with Tivo rewind and watch Kate's cleavage in the AC Vent in slo mo. Or am I just too much of a pervert?

Pervert.


(Just kidding)

[Yellow5]

My thought on the magnet that attracted Jack's key is that, it powers up (kind of like the Death Star), and the magnet , becomes powerful enough to bring down airplanes/drag ships ashore (kind of like a tractor beam).

That would explain this:

http://home.comcast.net/~eropel/lostturbineenhanced.gif

Unless it was a glitch in the special fx department.

[cody8200]

I saw the logo. I loved Kate's cleavage. I liked the episode...can't wait for next week's episode.

[cthomer5000]

Rousseau could potentially be playing both sides, telling each that the others are "the others." But, I personally do think we're going to see some new faction emerge, some group who's been there longer than the crash survivors.

[sachmo71]

Ah... Tivo. Anyone else with Tivo rewind and watch Kate's cleavage in the AC Vent in slo mo. Or am I just too much of a pervert?


*nods*

she's smokin', man.

[Sublime 2]

Anyone know when they replay episodes? i missed tonights.

[timmynausea]

Anyone know when they replay episodes? i missed tonights.
They've been replaying them at 8 pm on Wednesday so immediately before the new episode. I don't know of any other replays.

[Raven]

Looks like next weeks episode has the potential to be really good.

[VPI97]

I liked how the bear Michael gave Walt as a toddler was a white polar bear.

[rexallllsc]

I liked tonite, but I'm kinda bummed that each episode is a baby step. Give us something!

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[kingfc22]

That episode was sweet. First, I did not see the logo but I'm going to rewatch my Tivo right now. Secondly, I don't think this "new" group is the other half of the plane because they show Michelle Rodriguez' character locked up with Mike in the previews. Why would the other half lock up their own.

So what happens when the timer hits 0? It is back up to 108:00 now and I should have posted that the numbers would be inputed into the computer because I had a huge feeling that would happen.

[timmynausea]

Secondly, I don't think this "new" group is the other half of the plane because they show Michelle Rodriguez' character locked up with Mike in the previews. Why would the other half lock up their own.

That's what I was thinking, too.

[kingfc22]

"What did one snowman say to the other snowman?" Anyone else interpret what Desmond said other than this when he asked Locke the question to find out if he was "him"

[kingfc22]

I SAW THE LOGO!!!

[kingfc22]

So what happens when the timer hits 0? It is back up to 108:00 now
And why would Walt not want them to push the button if this execute command is the button he is talking about?

[BishopMVP]

So what happens when the timer hits 0?I'd guess it's a timer that has to be reset every 108 minutes, or else the underground place blows up. So maybe if Jack pushed the button without putting in the numbers that would blow up the place as well?

[BishopMVP]

Dola: The episode really pissed me off. The backstory and raft parts were fine, but it really annoyed me how they ended at exactly the moment Jack recognized Desmond for the 2nd week in a row. The 15-second preview for next week probably revealed more than the episode itself.

[kingfc22]

Somebody already mentioned that it should have been a 2-hr season premier, but I guess they had to break it into two parts. I enjoyed though and they did reveal more stuff even while showing part of last week's story line.

[rexallllsc]

Dola: The episode really pissed me off. The backstory and raft parts were fine, but it really annoyed me how they ended at exactly the moment Jack recognized Desmond for the 2nd week in a row. The 15-second preview for next week probably revealed more than the episode itself.

Yeah. I really like the show but drawing it out so much is getting ridiculous I think.

[Raven]

Found this for those that missed it.


http://transmogrified.net/pics/sharklogobig.jpg

[cthomer5000]

Somebody already mentioned that it should have been a 2-hr season premier, but I guess they had to break it into two parts. I enjoyed though and they did reveal more stuff even while showing part of last week's story line.
The certainly could have made it a 2-hour premier (and probably should have for our sake), but for ratings they're going to want to drag this out over as many weeks as possible. I guess I can't blame them, it's all in the game. Still, I'll admit some weeks can be pretty frustrating. I would rate this episode a C , after rating the season opener an A+.

[cthomer5000]

I'd guess it's a timer that has to be reset every 108 minutes, or else the underground place blows up. So maybe if Jack pushed the button without putting in the numbers that would blow up the place as well?
Yeah, my gut feeling was that either the hatch/underground lair or perhaps that and more blow up if that timer isn't constantly reset.

Also, Desmond has clearly been there a while based on all the scratch marks on the wall that show he's been marking days. It's getting kind of interesting to me now, because I almost get the feeling that although he's been there much longer than the crash survivors, he may not even be among the original group of inhabitants. It's tough to tell at this point.

[gottimd]

Ok, so I saw that the shark is branded from rewatching, but the thing I was wondering is, if animals are branded with this label, doesn't it seem more like it is pointing towards some sort of experimentation island? Although not sure if the polar bear was branded. Maybe he was and we just didnt see it.

[Joe Canadian]

I haven't read any other posts yet, so I'm not sure how much of this has been covered yet.

My first thought was that the hatch is some kind of Cold War bunker... but that idea goes out the window with the countdown and logo on the shark. I'm assuming that the countdown is some sort of self destruct thing so Desmond can't leave (although after re-watching the episode, it's weird Desmond got so destracted with Kate & Locke).... and the branding is also on the food in the hatch, and seems to be some sort of security system. So if it was a bunker, why wouldn't the person ever be allowed to leave?

My mom says the answer to Desmond's question to Locke about the snowman is: Can you smell carrots? Is that some sort of clue, or it it simply the "password" for the hatch people? The hatch was made for two people, and by Desmond's reaction to Locke it doesn't seem like the other person has been there yet.

... However, the protein shakes and ??steroids?? (injection stuff) would explain Ethan's strength. But how did he get out?

A friend of a friend, who watched the show with her Korean friend said that one of the words Jin said when running from the forest was "infected." Take that speculation how you will... but it did seem like those people were a tad crazy in the preview. Are they "the others" the french woman was talking about, or are they infected survivors & not all of them (Michelle Rodriguez) have been infected?

I've heard two explanations for what Walt said in the premiere:
- Don't press th buttons the numbers are bad.
- Press the buttons, no numbers are bad.

Walt's connection with the polar bear continues...

The timeline doesn't fit for Desmond being down there since the 80's, at least I don't think it does. I seem to remember that Jack and his fiance didn't know each other for that long... that puts the accident in the early 90's... but in order for Desmond to be there the whole time he had to been there since at least 1988 (french woman has been there for 16 years). So that brings me to the question of... is that Desmond or a twin? He didn't seem to recognize Jack, and you'd think he'd remember the miracle the performed. And if it is him, and my timeline is correct, how does this fit i with the french woman and her boat?

The magnet answers the questions about the compass in episode one & two, the weird piece of metal swooping down and blowing up the engine in episode one... and the plane crash. At least I think it does.

So there's my random thought so far this season... and does anyone no where I can re-watch the preview for next week?

[DanGarion]

It wasn't anything I was looking for and I caught it easily on the first watch. Same logo as all the other stuff Desmond had.

Ok I thought I was crazy but I saw that too.

My understanding is all that logo is in real life is a Feng Shui logo.

[Joe Canadian]

Ok, I'm watching last weeks episode around the part Jack scans the painted wall... and it appears that the word "oui" is written on it... does that mean the french woman or her friends were there at one point?

[gottimd]

My mom says the answer to Desmond's question to Locke about the snowman is: Can you smell carrots? Is that some sort of clue, or it it simply the "password" for the hatch people? The hatch was made for two people, and by Desmond's reaction to Locke it doesn't seem like the other person has been there yet.Where did she get that from, is this some known riddle?


... However, the protein shakes and ??steroids?? (injection stuff) would explain Ethan's strength. But how did he get out?Not so sure Ethan and Desmond have a connection. I think ethan was part of the others that was on the boat. I think the others are infected which may give them some sort of strength.


A friend of a friend, who watched the show with her Korean friend said that one of the words Jin said when running from the forest was "infected." Take that speculation how you will... but it did seem like those people were a tad crazy in the preview. Are they "the others" the french woman was talking about, or are they infected survivors & not all of them (Michelle Rodriguez) have been infected?Could the word "infected" be lost in translation? Maybe infected as in crazy???? How would he know they are infected, last time I checked jin wasn't a doctor and I don't think he has any knowledge of there being a virus or something on the island.


I've heard two explanations for what Walt said in the premiere:
- Don't press th buttons the numbers are bad.
- Press the buttons, no numbers are bad.I heard on one of those entertainment news stations, and they played it back, it did sound like he said "Press the buttons...." If that is true I would be inclined to think that the buttons do halt some sort of self destruct mechanism. But that brings up the question as to why walt didn't want them to go down there in the first place?


So there's my random thought so far this season... and does anyone no where I can re-watch the preview for next week?
Try...(inviso text for those who dont want to see)
hxxp://www.thetailsection.com (http://www.thetailsection.com)
hxxp://www.thefuselage.com (http://www.thefuselage.com)

[gottimd]

Ok I thought I was crazy but I saw that too.

My understanding is all that logo is in real life is a Feng Shui logo.
The logo is called the "Bagua".

[Joe Canadian]

Where did she get that from, is this some known riddle?

Apparently... some of my friends have heard it as well...

Not so sure Ethan and Desmond have a connection. I think ethan was part of the others that was on the boat. I think the others are infected which may give them some sort of strength.

I'm leaning that way to, it was just some speculation.

Could the word "infected" be lost in translation? Maybe infected as in crazy???? How would he know they are infected, last time I checked jin wasn't a doctor and I don't think he has any knowledge of there being a virus or something on the island.

Quite possibly, yes. I heard it, it sounded interesting so I posted it... personally I need more than a translation from a friend of a friend to go on, so I too am on the fence on that one.

[gottimd]

I heard another answer to that riddle is "Freeze"
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Hurley told the joke in Season 1, so Hurley can answer that riddle, is he the one Desmond is looking for? Why? I would say he saw him on TV, but then he would know who he is looking for bu appearance.

[Raiders Army]

*shrug* I thought the answer was going to be something like "Raise it up" or whatever he said in the first episode to Jack in the stadium.

You guys are going to think I'm crazy, but just as I thought Season 1's finale sucked balls, this episode was extremely good. The acting on the raft was terrific, especially as dawn broke and Mike was crying. You could tell Sawyer was thinking about his dad and how he would've liked to have a father who cared for him like Mike does for Walt. Again, my expectations were not high for "moving the plot along" so I thought it was a great episode that moved the plot along while standing still in time. It reminded me a bit of Ender's Shadow, which is essentially the same story as Ender's Game but told from a different perspective.

[NoMyths]

Secondly, I don't think this "new" group is the other half of the plane because they show Michelle Rodriguez' character locked up with Mike in the previews. Why would the other half lock up their own.Because I think there's some crazy Lord of the Flies shizzle going down on the other side of the island. I've no doubt those are the other survivors, from the tail section.

[John Galt]

Because I think there's some crazy Lord of the Flies shizzle going down on the other side of the island. I've no doubt those are the other survivors, from the tail section.

I'm not so sure. Who was Ethan then? He wasn't on the manifest at all.

I think there are many groups on the island. There is the group that Ethan was part of that I believe is related to those on the boat (I belive these are "the others"). I think this group my be infected with some plague (that may also empower them in other ways). There are the other survivors which may have run into trouble with "the others." And then there is Desmond and the island security systems (monster, shark, etc.).

But I could be completely wrong.

[gottimd]

So if the numbers play an important role as we all think, the tail section would include just row 42???? Because Jack was in row 23 I think. Unless row 108 survived too, if there was a row 108. But even if there was, what can there be, 3*3 or 9 people per row? Just thinking out loud.

[Raiders Army]

After taking the bullet out and swimming with the shark, I gotta say Sawyer's the fucking man.

[NoMyths]

I'm not so sure. Who was Ethan then? He wasn't on the manifest at all.

I think there are many groups on the island. There is the group that Ethan was part of that I believe is related to those on the boat (I belive these are "the others"). I think this group my be infected with some plague (that may also empower them in other ways). There are the other survivors which may have run into trouble with "the others." And then there is Desmond and the island security systems (monster, shark, etc.).

But I could be completely wrong.Ethan's name wasn't on the manifest. Every other name was. Including the dead and the missing...who we'll discover on the other side of the island, chasing Piggy. :)

(And yes, perhaps it's because they're infected somehow)

gottimd: No 108 (the last row was 42, I believe), but 108 is the sum of the string of 'lucky' numbers.

[NoMyths]

dola...

My sense of trying to figure out what's happening is based a lot on trying to figure out a) what's possible on TV, b) what's likely on TV, and c) what would generate the most conflict. If it were just a mysterious group of hellions, it's not nearly as interesting as if the tailsection cats went savage, esp. considering their future interaction with the midsection folks.

'Course, I could be completely wrong. :)

[gottimd]

gottimd: No 108 (the last row was 42, I believe), but 108 is the sum of the string of 'lucky' numbers.
I know that about 108, but I was just thinking about if the numbers played a role as in who survived, that if they were truly in the Tail section, row 42 would be the only row there, which at most could be 9-10 people, tops.

[Raiders Army]

dola...

My sense of trying to figure out what's happening is based a lot on trying to figure out a) what's possible on TV, b) what's likely on TV, and c) what would generate the most conflict. If it were just a mysterious group of hellions, it's not nearly as interesting as if the tailsection cats went savage, esp. considering their future interaction with the midsection folks.

'Course, I could be completely wrong. :)
It could also explain what the sickness is. I don't think that it makes you die, but it makes you go craaaaaazy...as hinted by the French Lady.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The certainly could have made it a 2-hour premier (and probably should have for our sake), but for ratings they're going to want to drag this out over as many weeks as possible. I guess I can't blame them, it's all in the game. Still, I'll admit some weeks can be pretty frustrating. I would rate this episode a C , after rating the season opener an A+.
I guess it all depends with why you watch/enjoy the show, but I have yet to be frustrated by the show for not revealing enough of the mysteries or answering enough questions. If anything, I enjoy how each episode sorta of works to deepen the mystery allowing fans of the show to try and hash out what exactly is going on and how one thing related to another.

I don't think the show has done anything stupid to delay answering questions. It's not like one of the characters suddenly got anmensia for a few hours, or a cougar appeared out of nowhere, or the guy with the answers to the questions was suddenly put upon and killed by a gang of rednecks in downtown Los Angeles. Unlike "24" (from which all the examples above are taken), the writers haven't gone off on any superfluous frolics or detours to extend the show or obfuscate the mysteries. Each scene either further developes the characters, deepens the mysteries, answers some small part of it, or some combination of all three. The plot and story are moving along at their own pace. The characters are great and deep and I enjoy watching their stories unfold on screen and seeing how one thing connects with another.

Take last night's episode for example. I thought the scene from Locke's perspective was great. The clock, the riddle, the "are you him", the interaction between Locke and Kate, Kate crawling through the air ducts (hubba hubba!), all of that. I would much rather see all of the details and the mysteries from each angle and let things deepen, than just sort of a "set 'em up, knock 'em down" approach to questions in the show.

So long as the characters remain believable and true and the quality of the writing, acting, and directing remain top notch (as they have been throughout) I am more than happy to sit back and enjoy the ride.

[Raiders Army]

Hey, is it just me, but when the camera jerks around does it annoy anyone else? I know that since Saving Private Ryan came out directors are doing the "realistic" jerky thing with the camera, but this has annoyed me from the first episode of Season 1.

[gottimd]

HB, well said.

And outstanding use of the word obfuscate.

Raiders Army, I hate that too, but I don't see it as much here as much as NYPD Blue.

[Honolulu_Blue]

It could also explain what the sickness is. I don't think that it makes you die, but it makes you go craaaaaazy...as hinted by the French Lady.
Exactly. The French lady seemed to imply that the sickness drove her crew mates to go mad and then kill each other or themselves. The sickness would appear to be tied to the whispering voices in the jungle. I could see where that would drive people mad.

It appears as if there have been a number of "disasters" on the island which leave people stranded there (The Black Rock, The French Woman's expedition, etc.). Perhaps the "others" were from some other disaster or some conglomeration of people from various disaster, drove made by the sickness.

I can't wait.

[gottimd]

Could the sickness be a true virus or just the way to describe the fact that they have all gone nuts, and they have attributed it to some sort of virus?

EDIT: I know the hatch said quarantined, so maybe there was a virus that used to live out there but is now gone, just like how desmond was shocked that there was a civilization still out there.

[gottimd]

Dola,


For those who missed it, here is a preview (not spoiler) of the next episode.

hxxp://www.thetailsection.com/images/s02e03_orientation_preview.wmv

[Honolulu_Blue]

Hey, is it just me, but when the camera jerks around does it annoy anyone else? I know that since Saving Private Ryan came out directors are doing the "realistic" jerky thing with the camera, but this has annoyed me from the first episode of Season 1.
I don't mind it that much. If it's over used, then it certainly can get annoying, but I find it an effective way to convey a sense of confusion or agression. Like any tool for a director, when used right and in moderation it can be very effective, but when over used it can become distracting or cliche.

I thought the final scene last night, with Jin running out and then the shot of the "others" was simply brilliant. Though, I can't remember if there was camera jerkiness in that shot or not.

[Raiders Army]

I tend to get used to it so it isn't as noticable as it was when I first watched the show, but at certain times it's somewhat annoying. *shrug*

[cthomer5000]

I guess it all depends with why you watch/enjoy the show, but I have yet to be frustrated by the show for not revealing enough of the mysteries or answering enough questions. If anything, I enjoy how each episode sorta of works to deepen the mystery allowing fans of the show to try and hash out what exactly is going on and how one thing related to another.

I don't think the show has done anything stupid to delay answering questions. It's not like one of the characters suddenly got anmensia for a few hours, or a cougar appeared out of nowhere, or the guy with the answers to the questions was suddenly put upon and killed by a gang of rednecks in downtown Los Angeles. Unlike "24" (from which all the examples above are taken), the writers haven't gone off on any superfluous frolics or detours to extend the show or obfuscate the mysteries. Each scene either further developes the characters, deepens the mysteries, answers some small part of it, or some combination of all three. The plot and story are moving along at their own pace. The characters are great and deep and I enjoy watching their stories unfold on screen and seeing how one thing connects with another.

Take last night's episode for example. I thought the scene from Locke's perspective was great. The clock, the riddle, the "are you him", the interaction between Locke and Kate, Kate crawling through the air ducts (hubba hubba!), all of that. I would much rather see all of the details and the mysteries from each angle and let things deepen, than just sort of a "set 'em up, knock 'em down" approach to questions in the show.

So long as the characters remain believable and true and the quality of the writing, acting, and directing remain top notch (as they have been throughout) I am more than happy to sit back and enjoy the ride.
I'm a gigantic fan of the show, don't get me wrong. I just personally find Michael to be the least interesting character on the show, and I've been generally bored with all his episodes. We should be safe from another one for a while, which is good.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm a gigantic fan of the show, don't get me wrong. I just personally find Michael to be the least interesting character on the show, and I've been generally bored with all his episodes. We should be safe from another one for a while, which is good.
I couldn't agree more. I find Michael uninteresting, boring, and, to be frank, a giant asshole. He was a prick to Jin. He was a prick to Sawyer. Walt is cool, but his dad's a dweeb.

[Cringer]

I couldn't agree more. I find Michael uninteresting, boring, and, to be frank, a giant asshole. He was a prick to Jin. He was a prick to Sawyer. Walt is cool, but his dad's a dweeb.

I think his back story shows why he is that way though, at least partially. I understand why you don't like him, but I guess not everyone can be likeable. And Michael is not the only one to be a prick to Sawyer. :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think his back story shows why he is that way though, at least partially. I understand why you don't like him, but I guess not everyone can be likeable. And Michael is not the only one to be a prick to Sawyer. :)
This is very true. Sawyer is everyone's whipping dog. Well, he did put some of it on himself, as he often acted the ass. But he's such a good guy, he just likes to pretend he's not.

Michael's wife was a bitch too. I found her very unpleasant, especially since it appeared she hid all of the letters Michael had been sending to Walt. Shameful.

[Raiders Army]

I couldn't agree more. I find Michael uninteresting, boring, and, to be frank, a giant asshole. He was a prick to Jin. He was a prick to Sawyer. Walt is cool, but his dad's a dweeb.
Frankly, this is why (can't remember) is a good actor. I thought the same thing when I watched professional wrestling before it became the tongue-in-cheek mockery it is today. Those wrestler that you hated were actually some of the best performers because they caused you a strong emotion. Same with the guy who plays Mike. He plays it so well and personally I agree with Cringer. He's a three-dimensional character who has his reasons for being the way he is. That to me, is good.

[Yossarian]

...as hinted by the French Lady.

Those Minbari... always talking in riddles.

[Cringer]

Michael's wife was a bitch too. I found her very unpleasant, especially since it appeared she hid all of the letters Michael had been sending to Walt. Shameful.

Yes, his wife was a major bitch to me. All the talk about how he should let go of Walt because it is what is good for him, and what is good for him is all that matters, not them. This is true, but she clearly didn't think this way because she wanted the better job, the higher salary, and everything that came with it.

This is one reason I do not have a problem with Michael. He has his reason's for acting the way he does with his son and other people.

[cthomer5000]

Frankly, this is why (can't remember) is a good actor. I thought the same thing when I watched professional wrestling before it became the tongue-in-cheek mockery it is today. Those wrestler that you hated were actually some of the best performers because they caused you a strong emotion. Same with the guy who plays Mike. He plays it so well and personally I agree with Cringer. He's a three-dimensional character who has his reasons for being the way he is. That to me, is good.
I disagree. The character is completely two dimensional ("I'm angry! arrghhh!") and I think he is by far the worst actor of the major cast members.

[Joe Canadian]

Yes, his wife was a major bitch to me. All the talk about how he should let go of Walt because it is what is good for him, and what is good for him is all that matters, not them. This is true, but she clearly didn't think this way because she wanted the better job, the higher salary, and everything that came with it.

I disagree with your take on the wife's objective... but regarding that situation last night. When you usually have custody battles on TV, there's usually that "private" talk without the lawyers they had on Lost... but usually there's some sort of comprimise. Michael was dead set against what she was trying to do... then he just gave in and gave her everything she wanted? There was no common ground reached... he just let Walt go.

IMO, the way they set Michael's character up, he would never do that.

[rexallllsc]

I don't think the show has done anything stupid to delay answering questions.

I think they are...after all - the scene w/ Desmond ended in the same place it did last week. The only difference is now we know Kate is in the room, and that there is some countdown than Desmond has been manipulating for a while.

But anyways, yeah - we ended at the same place as before!

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think they are...after all - the scene w/ Desmond ended in the same place it did last week. The only difference is now we know Kate is in the room, and that there is some countdown than Desmond has been manipulating for a while.

But anyways, yeah - we ended at the same place as before!
But seeing what happened in the shaft from Locke's perspective was excellent. We know a lot more than that. The clock, Kate in the airduct, the seal that's all over the place (including the shark), the riddle, and the whole "are you him?" question. Then you have the cool seen where Locke slips Kate the knife and all that. I didn't find any of those scenes superfluous, dragging, or annoying in any way.

[Subby]

I disagree. The character is completely two dimensional ("I'm angry! arrghhh!") and I think he is by far the worst actor of the major cast members. Heh. And I think he is one of the best. :)

He does a good job of conveying lameness, anger, frustration, impotence, imcompetence and bewilderment all at once. He drives me up the wall while making me empathize with him at the same time...

[VPI97]

Heh. And I think he is one of the best. :)Me too. But then again, I've really liked the guy's acting ever since he was on Oz.

[jamesUMD]

Arts, Artis, or whatever his anem was, was the only awful actor I have seen. I love the show and while this episode was slower, I liked it.

I think of it as a marthon, not a sprint, but it does seem that today's society is really into that instant gratification. I think had this been the 6-8th episode of the season, there would not be as much argument over it. I think after a full offseason, people just have not gotten enough of their fix, so they are on a binge so to speak.

I 2nd that I think that there are multiple groups on the island, and the ones that got Jin are from their flight but have been infected. Desmond did ask how many of them were infected. I also think that Desmond was not alone either and some of his team were also infected (large stores of food, bunk beds, etc, etc.

[timmynausea]

I liked him in Oz, but I'd have to say he comes off as probably the worst character in Lost whether it's due to acting or writing.

[Raiders Army]

Again, your dislike of him means he is doing a good job acting. :)

[cthomer5000]

Again, your dislike of him means he is doing a good job acting. :)
No, it doesn't. I can tell the difference between someone acting so convincngly that I hate them (Philip Seymour Hoffman in The Talented Mr. Ripley, for example) and hating a character because of a combination of bad writing and bad acting. Michael's character is the latter for me.

Again, I'm not complaining about the pace of the show. I'm one of the show's biggest fans, and think it is by far the best drama i have ever seen on network TV. I'm just not into Michael's character or backstory... I think it's easily the weakest of everyone's on the entire show. So for me he makes it a C quality episode, while most others are in the B-A range.

Looking forward to next week.

[Samdari]

I disagree. The character is completely two dimensional ("I'm angry! arrghhh!") and I think he is by far the worst actor of the major cast members.

Really? He's a professional actor and Evangeline is a professional pretty face. Or hadn't you noticed her acting skills yet?

[cthomer5000]

Really? He's a professional actor and Evangeline is a professional pretty face. Or hadn't you noticed her acting skills yet?
She sucks as well, but the character is quite low-key by comparsion. They're playing to her strengths.

[kingfc22]

Wouldn't that be Kate, since she was the first to go down the shaft but something came up?
Very nice catch. I did not hear her in episode 1, but in episode 2 you know she was yelling for Jack before the music stopped. This is the kind of stuff that I love about Lost.

It also seemed to me that the opening scene was daylight shinign through to the bunker, and then there was the explosion...but it was nighttime up above, no? Hmmm. Unless the explosion was a different incident entirely.
This was also cleared up last night when Locke noticed that the sunlight was all artificially done.

[rexallllsc]

But seeing what happened in the shaft from Locke's perspective was excellent. We know a lot more than that. The clock, Kate in the airduct, the seal that's all over the place (including the shark), the riddle, and the whole "are you him?" question. Then you have the cool seen where Locke slips Kate the knife and all that. I didn't find any of those scenes superfluous, dragging, or annoying in any way.

I enjoy them too - I just think it's annoying because all they're doing is telling the story out of order...

[sovereignstar]

Ah... Tivo. Anyone else with Tivo rewind and watch Kate's cleavage in the AC Vent in slo mo. Or am I just too much of a pervert?

You are not a pervert (http://the-dkbl.com/kate.jpg)*

*cleavage ensues.. view at your own discretion

[gottimd]

So in the previews next week, it showed them being assaulted by some other people. Not sure if this was discussed yet, but do you think its possible, if you a firm believer that those maybe "The Others", that they are in fact the tail section suvivors who believe Michael, Jin and Sawyer are "The Others" and vice versa?

[DanGarion]

So in the previews next week, it showed them being assaulted by some other people. Not sure if this was discussed yet, but do you think its possible, if you a firm believer that those maybe "The Others", that they are in fact the tail section suvivors who believe Michael, Jin and Sawyer are "The Others" and vice versa?

I just don't think it will be them because the French lady knew of the others for a long time before they crashed on the island.

[Ksyrup]

I'm not reading this thread at all, but if the title was changed to keep that damn song out of our heads, then I applaud you.

[Glengoyne]

I'm in the camp that feels the Michael character/actor is THE weak link among the key roles in the series. I can't relate to him, and I don't think his background scenes are all that well put together unless they include Walt. I feel the writing and character development are probably more to blame than his acting, because I have liked him previously. It has reached the point that when they flash-back Michael, I don't care. I watch, but I don't care unless Walt is there.

In fact the people/person in this thread who talked about his acting on the raft brings up a good example. I just thought he was more annoying in ways that I don't relate to at all. Maybe I'm too obtuse to follow his character.

[gottimd]

Who are you calling obtuse?

http://theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/2280THE_SHAWSHANK_REDEMPTION-1.jpg

[timmynausea]

I'm in the camp that feels the Michael character/actor is THE weak link among the key roles in the series. I can't relate to him, and I don't think his background scenes are all that well put together unless they include Walt. I feel the writing and character development are probably more to blame than his acting, because I have liked him previously. It has reached the point that when they flash-back Michael, I don't care. I watch, but I don't care unless Walt is there.

In fact the people/person in this thread who talked about his acting on the raft brings up a good example. I just thought he was more annoying in ways that I don't relate to at all. Maybe I'm too obtuse to follow his character.

I agree with this, and think that he may be the next to go because he doesn't bring anything to the show. It'd be a big deal for him to die, though, still, because of Walt.

[Samdari]

She sucks as well, but the character is quite low-key by comparsion. They're playing to her strengths.

Sitting there looking pretty? You have a point.

[judicial clerk]

I thouht it was interesting that Terry Tate is on the island.

[Samdari]

I'm not reading this thread at all, but if the title was changed to keep that damn song out of our heads, then I applaud you.

Change it back! Change it back! Change it back!

[Yellow5]

Complete Visual Analysis of Hatch Interior (+ Maps!)

hxxp://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14883

Lots of screen caps and spoilers from the last episode. This guy actually mapped the hatch complex and appears to have far too much time on his hands.

[Poli]

Wow.

[NoMyths]

And for our British friends: here's the trailer they're using to promote Lost. It's also incredibly cool.

http://homepage.mac.com/mprieve/.Public/lost.mpg

[Poli]

Err, did Desmond just say he wasn't married to broken back girl anymore?

[timmynausea]

Holy shit!

[cthomer5000]

This show is so frustratingly good. :D

[moriarty]

Err, did Desmond just say he wasn't married to broken back girl anymore?

He said Jack wasn't still married to her, and Jack confirmed.

Thought it was a bit of a lame ending w/ Jack making "the decision".

But very interesting preview for next week involving Jin.

[Easy Mac]

now that was a great episode.

[cthomer5000]

But very interesting preview for next week involving Jin.
interesting is an understatement. damn previews!

[NoMyths]

Knew those cats were other survivors of the crash. :D

[VPI97]

This episode kicked ass.



I came twice.

[Poli]

And, ehm, how does Desmond plan to leave the island?

[Celeval]

Thought it was a bit of a lame ending w/ Jack making "the decision".
The open question is, did he do it in time. The clock went to 0.

[BishopMVP]

And, ehm, how does Desmond plan to leave the island?He was sailing around the world (Vendee Globe would be my guess.) His boat still has to be there somewhere... he'd probably have a much better chance of sailing away from there than Michael/Jin/Sawyer.

Also, I've been wondering since the first show approximately how big the island is. I think it only had that one mountain, so it can't be that big for all the different groups running around and never meeting up. We know that Sayid/Charlie could get across the island to the smoke in a few hours tops when "The Others" were coming, and we know Michelle Rodriguez was on the plane, so why didn't she/possibly the rest of the people she is with come towards the huge bonfire that was the plane for the first couple days?

And what exactly did Jin say again during the preview?

[panerd]

Calling all students of religion. Is there a famous Bible verse 10:8 about faith? (I will be doing an internet search but don't know where that will lead) I get the feeling we are headed to a science vs. faith showdown between Locke and Jack and maybe 108 on the clock is a hidden Bible reference. (I made this up on my own. So either I am really intuitive or really reading way to into this. Like the guy with the virtual hatch website)

[panerd]

Result of search: Romans 10:8 has something to do with taking a leap of faith. But my guess is about 50% of the Bible deals with that same subject.

[cthomer5000]

And what exactly did Jin say again during the preview?
Something to the effect of "everything is going to change now" i think.

[John Galt]

Knew those cats were other survivors of the crash. :D

You were (I was wrong on that one). I still believe there are other "others." Otherwise, Ethan is a mystery and you have to discount the French Lady entirely (which you can do, but I think some of her story has got to be true).

[Bearcat729]

Have fun

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mission.html

[Bearcat729]

dola

http://dharmaindustries.com/

Although this doesn't seem to do much

[BishopMVP]

I still believe there are other "others." Otherwise, Ethan is a mystery and you have to discount the French Lady entirely (which you can do, but I think some of her story has got to be true).There's no way crash survivors could have built the boat that took Walt.

[cody8200]

Jin can now speak english apparently saying,. "theres a lot of changes around here" or something to that effect. WTF man, he hasnt been able to speak english this wehole entire time. Damn he kept that charade up forever.

[kingfc22]

Holy shit! Holy Shit Indeed!!

Damn that was a freaking good episode. Jin speaks english clearly now?

I think Jin is going to go to the "dark side", just a hunch. Somebody has to switch sides, right?

The "others" are from the back of the plane? But, then how does Rosseau know about them?

[kingfc22]

And did the film say this was station 3 of the whole program, or just station 3 of the island? Going to have to watch this episode again.

Woot! Favorite show on TV. :D

[Schmidty]

I hope they kill off Jack. That dude is annoying as hell.

[sovereignstar]

I hope they kill off Jack. That dude is annoying as hell.

Now now, have some faith in him.

[timmynausea]

Everyone probably already knows this but originally Jack was supposed to die in the pilot. That would've been pretty sweet.

[gottimd]

You were (I was wrong on that one). I still believe there are other "others." Otherwise, Ethan is a mystery and you have to discount the French Lady entirely (which you can do, but I think some of her story has got to be true).If you look closely in the promo and in the beginning of this episode when they see the four presumably others (the four people standing on the rock when Jin, Michael, Sawyer come ashore), the guy on the far left is wearing relatively modern clothes and the fourth person on the back right was Michelle Rodriguezs character. (Picture is here: hxxp://www.mccloud.homestead.com/ana.jpg (http://www.mccloud.homestead.com/ana.jpg))

Still confused as to how Jin all of the sudden knows perfect english or why he was hiding or pretending not to know it. Obviously they did a background story on why his wife did. Maybe he is repeating what someone said to him?

[Raiders Army]

Holy Shit Indeed!!

Damn that was a freaking good episode. Jin speaks english clearly now?

I think Jin is going to go to the "dark side", just a hunch. Somebody has to switch sides, right?

The "others" are from the back of the plane? But, then how does Rosseau know about them?
I agree that Jin will get "infected" and go to the dark side. I also think that the ones who captured Sawyer, Mike and Jin aren't the others.

That means there were these groups on the island:

1. Jack's group from the front of the plane

2. Girlfight's group from the back of the plane

3. Rousseau's others (who were ones who took Walt...remember they wanted the child)

4. Rousseau

5. The hatch people

6. Possibly another group that could've been with the pilot

[gottimd]

The one that Desmond spoke of, named Kelvin, his old partner, do you think that could possibly be he Hurley befriended in the Psych ward? Does Desmond believe Kelvin is dead because he ventured outside of the hatch and never returned?

[timmynausea]

The guy from the psych ward was named Leonard Sims, but there was more to it. I don't really remember that well.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I hope they kill off Jack. That dude is annoying as hell.
He has been acting like an ass.

[gottimd]

Jin speaking english was probably a dream sequence. Why wouldn't he have used it before? Why not speak to his wife in english when she spoke in english? Why was he so clean (like just showered up) when they showed him saying that in the previews?

[timmynausea]

The one that Desmond spoke of, named Kelvin, his old partner, do you think that could possibly be he Hurley befriended in the Psych ward? Does Desmond believe Kelvin is dead because he ventured outside of the hatch and never returned?
Ok, I looked it up. This is all from Hurley's episode last year, 1.18. The guy from the psych ward was Leonard Sims, and he told Hurley that he heard the numbers from Sam Toomey in Australia. So Hurley heads to Australia, but finds out that Toomey is dead.
I think you're probably right that there must have been some connection between Toomey and Calvin or Kelvin or whatever, though.

[moriarty]

All right, so what's the odds that the Dharma project is funded by Locke's father? The mysterious guy that we only could hazily see through the office window???

[QuikSand]

I'm so lame - I can't even read this thread because all three episodes are sitting on my Tivo, still unwatched. Maybe this weekend.

damned poker, screwing up all my dumb old habits...

[moriarty]

I'm so lame - I can't even read this thread because all three episodes are sitting on my Tivo, still unwatched. Maybe this weekend.

damned poker, screwing up all my dumb old habits...


Dude, you have to catch up to at least last night's episode. All of a sudden things started moving in fast forward ....

[timmynausea]

All right, so what's the odds that the Dharma project is funded by Locke's father? The mysterious guy that we only could hazily see through the office window???

I considered that as well. It was hard to tell, though.

[gottimd]

I considered that as well. It was hard to tell, though.
Possible, yes, likely, no.

[G-Man]

"But what does it say? "The Word is near your mouth and in your heart";that is, the Word of Faith which we proclaim;"

This is from the Modern King James Version.

I hope that whoever had this idea about the scientific vs the spiritual (what some call "religious") does indeed refer to this verse because then maybe that would lead to verse 10:9 "Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved." Now that's powerful good stuff:)

[judicial clerk]

Is it just me o have they moved the story forward more in the last three episodes then they did all last season?

Also, in every scene with young Locke, I keep waiting for some catastrophic event that paralyzes him.

[gottimd]

Is it just me o have they moved the story forward more in the last three episodes then they did all last season?

Also, in every scene with young Locke, I keep waiting for some catastrophic event that paralyzes him.
Yes, but that is because the first season, we as the viewers were being introduced to the island, now we are beginning to learn its secrets. The only thing I hope they do not do is reveal too much too fast where the mystery portion of the show is eliminated and it becomes just another sci-fi series or something like that. Just reveal as much to keep you reeled in and wondering and talking about it.

[judicial clerk]

Yes, but that is because the first season, we as the viewers were being introduced to the island, now we are beginning to learn its secrets. The only thing I hope they do not do is reveal too much too fast where the mystery portion of the show is eliminated and it becomes just another sci-fi series or something like that. Just reveal as much to keep you reeled in and wondering and talking about it.
__________________ my thoughts as well.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Yes, but that is because the first season, we as the viewers were being introduced to the island, now we are beginning to learn its secrets. The only thing I hope they do not do is reveal too much too fast where the mystery portion of the show is eliminated and it becomes just another sci-fi series or something like that. Just reveal as much to keep you reeled in and wondering and talking about it.
Yeah. It's a delicate line they walk and so far they have done very well. They have moved things forward quite a bit, but have also opened up quite a few mysteries and questions as well.

Speaking of which, I have now watched the frist three(?) episodes of "Invasion." I think I'm out. The show isn't doing anything for me, especially when you compare it to "Lost." Lost goes by in what feels like 5 minutes and Invasion just drags and drags...

[gottimd]

Lost goes by in what feels like 5 minutes and Invasion just drags and drags...
I think I watched the first 10 minutes of the Invasion premiere and lost interest (no pun intended) and never watched it again.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Just found this over on aintitcoolnews.com. Supports some theories thrown around here.

My fellow "Lost" addicts have an ongoing debate each week about practically every issue on the show and a couple of them thought the driver "killed" by Jack's future wife (Julie Bowen) in the season premiere flashback might have been Locke. Like, maybe he was revived later and that would explain his paralysis. So I reviewed the episode on tape and they're wrong: The other driver is Shannon's dad. The EMS guy who wheels him in says the patient is "Adam Rutherford, 57 ..." Well, if you check the official Web sites, Shannon's last name is Rutherford. And remember, one of her problems is that after her dad died, her stepmom (Boone's actual mother) cut her off financially. So, depending on how you look at it, either Jack's wife killed him in the accident, or Jack killed him by choosing to treat the girl instead. Dun-dun-DUNNNNNN!

[gottimd]

I also hope that the show doesn't end up that its just some experimental island or some sort of "occoms razor" type explanation.

[rkmsuf]

There's a definate coolness to the show they've achieved. Don't f*ck it up Abrams.

I thought last nights episode was top notch.

[mauchow]

I also hope that the show doesn't end up that its just some experimental island or some sort of "occoms razor" type explanation.
The thing is, even if it is something stupid such as that, I'd still be happy just because of what the show has done to me. It makes me think like no other show. I don't suspect that it will be something like that; besides I wouldn't be surprised if we were a few seasons off from 'the end'.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I also hope that the show doesn't end up that its just some experimental island or some sort of "occoms razor" type explanation.
I don't think it will. I think, based on what we've seen, that some part of it all will be that the island was some sort of "experimental island" set up by psychologists (who are from THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, BABY!!!!) to studay various phenomenon (as explained in the film). But I also think there are likely to be "forces of unknown" origin that existed on the island prior to the experiments. I certaintly don't think there will be an "occom's razor" explanation.

[jbmagic]

Just hope its not one big dream by Hurley.

[Cuckoo]

Just hope its not one big dream by Hurley.

You know, I think that no matter what they ultimately do for an ending when all the secrets are revealed, there's a pretty big chance that a large number of people will be unsatisfied with it. People will either think it was too obvious or too wacky. By the time the show runs its course, every possibility will have likely been mentioned.

Don't get me wrong; I love the show. And I'm in for the entire ride. I just think that people looking for something profound and/or wholly original when it ends are going to be sorely disappointed.

[rkmsuf]

You know, I think that no matter what they ultimately do for an ending when all the secrets are revealed, there's a pretty big chance that a large number of people will be unsatisfied with it. People will either think it was too obvious or too wacky. By the time the show runs its course, every possibility will have likely been mentioned.

Don't get me wrong; I love the show. And I'm in for the entire ride. I just think that people looking for something profound and/or wholly original when it ends are going to be sorely disappointed.


I said from day 1 that it would be impossible to come up with a universally satisfactory ending...no matter what they come up with.

Love the show though, in for the duration.

[moriarty]

Just found this over on aintitcoolnews.com. Supports some theories thrown around here.

My fellow "Lost" addicts have an ongoing debate each week about practically every issue on the show and a couple of them thought the driver "killed" by Jack's future wife (Julie Bowen) in the season premiere flashback might have been Locke. Like, maybe he was revived later and that would explain his paralysis. So I reviewed the episode on tape and they're wrong: The other driver is Shannon's dad. The EMS guy who wheels him in says the patient is "Adam Rutherford, 57 ..." Well, if you check the official Web sites, Shannon's last name is Rutherford. And remember, one of her problems is that after her dad died, her stepmom (Boone's actual mother) cut her off financially. So, depending on how you look at it, either Jack's wife killed him in the accident, or Jack killed him by choosing to treat the girl instead. Dun-dun-DUNNNNNN!

One of the writers confirmed this a while back that it was Shannon's father. The fact that the writer actually revealed something makes me think it wasn't too important ... just another indication that everyone one the island is somehow linked.

On another note, I still think there's a reason the mystery Dharma benefactor was fuzzy in the movie. If it's not Locke's dad, it's got to be someone we've seen and/or will be seeing soon.

[NoMyths]

I don't know that it's Locke's dad, but I am harboring a certain suspicion that Locke's dad is the con-man who Sawyer's been looking for.

[moriarty]

I don't know that it's Locke's dad, but I am harboring a certain suspicion that Locke's dad is the con-man who Sawyer's been looking for.

Ohh, that's a good one.

[gottimd]

Another interesting speculation post....not spoilers...just speculation based upon what we already know from the most recent episode.


We know that the 'hatch' is station #3 and has something to do with electromagnetism.. We also, through the video hear the narrator say that they are conducting studies in...

"meteorology, psychology, para-psychology, zoology, electro-magnetism, and utopian social ."

then you can go to the Hanso Foundation website and see that they are also involved in..

Life-Extension Project, Electromagnetic Research Initiative,
Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence,The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative, The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative, The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute, The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility

I believe now that there is one station (or hatch) on the island for each of the main projects (the video says 3 of 6 so lets assume there are 6 projects). I think that the Zoology experimenters created the polar bears and the shark. I think that the whispering voices we hear in the woods are people involved in the Remote Viewing project (parapsychology), and I think that someone forgot to enter the numbers in the Swan station (electromagnetism) about 44 days ago causing the plane to crash.

I think that we will see every single person in that video here on the island (or at least the DeGrotes and the lead scientist). I wouldnt be surprised if THEY were in fact the Others.

The creators of this show have just kind of written themselves a blank check as far as the number of directions they can take the show (and the island).

[moriarty]

I must have missed something, what's the Hanso Foundation and what does it have to do with anything?

[gottimd]

I must have missed something, what's the Hanso Foundation and what does it have to do with anything?Alvar Hanso is that Blurry guy they showed in the shadows during that film, the head guy of the Dharma Corporation I think.

EDIT: See post #176

[Glengoyne]

I don't know that it's Locke's dad, but I am harboring a certain suspicion that Locke's dad is the con-man who Sawyer's been looking for.
Damn! I was hoping to toss out that tid-bit today, but you beat me to it. As soon as the Father said that Locke wasn't the first person to be conned, I went straight to Sawyer. Of course....on the downside, I'm usually too obtuse to notice subtle hints of this type. So that means I've probably ascribed too much meaning to it. Probably nothing.

[Bearcat729]

Someone on totalfark posted this picture.

I thought it was an interesting idea.


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/PCM72/theothers.jpg

[gottimd]

Maybe??? Good Catch. Wonder if the other guy across from the blond in the video is the bearded guy? So would that make the "Others" the original scientists that started these labs and everyone else has crashed there since them.

The Scientists went crazy.

French Ladies ship and crew crashed there because of Electro Magnetics.

Her crew went crazy from the voices and experiments.

Drug plane crashed because of the Electro Magnetics as well as Oceanic Flight 815.

Question is, if Electro Magnetics plays such a huge role, I would think that in this day and age governments can somehow see a large Electro-Magnetic disturbance there.

EDIT:OOPS, forget first part didnt scroll over to the right in the picture.

[Raiders Army]

Nice, but why would they want Walt?

[Joe Canadian]

Ok, I just watched last night's episode... and here are my thoughts:

- After looking at the picture of Hanso & Locke's father about 50 times... it has to be either the same person, or someone we've never seen before. They look way to much alike.

- I tend to agree with gottimd's theory about the different scientific labs... it would explain alot. See next point regarding the boat people...

- Ana's "others" I don't believe are infected by anything... I think they think that the original survivors are the "evil" others. It's more likly the boat people are infected with something... why would they be so hostile, if they were just scientists?

- Jin's scene where he speaks english is either a backstory segment, or in the hatch... which would then lead me to believe that he has something to do with the project. The scientist on the film was Asian, wasn't he. I know I'm being simplistic with that, but who knows...

[gottimd]

I wonder, since Hanso seemed to be big into the medical fields, if in a future backstory there isn't some connection between Jack and/or his father with the guy. But then why didn't jack recognize him or his name?


I am going with Jin speaking english as a dream sequence. I just don't see how that could fit in anywhere. Like when it looked like Locke was shot last season.

Maybe those others need Walt for some genetic studies??? They need a young person to test long term effects? Who knows, maybe that is why Ethan was going after the baby?

More importantly, I wonder what Sov will change the title to each week?

[Joe Canadian]

I am going with Jin speaking english as a dream sequence. I just don't see how that could fit in anywhere. Like when it looked like Locke was shot last season.

By dream sequence do you mean backstory? Because it seems, from the preview, that there is alot of Hurley in next weeks episode... which leads me to believe next week is his turn.

[gottimd]

By dream sequence do you mean backstory? Because it seems, from the preview, that there is alot of Hurley in next weeks episode... which leads me to believe next week is his turn.No, Dream Sequence. There maybe a portion of the show, for instance next week, that his wife is having a dream of what has happened to Jin, and she is picturing him saying that, speaking in perfect english.

It is a hurley centered episode I believe.

[dunkem]

Regarding Jin, I coulda sworn in season one he tipped it off that he could speak English through one of his backstories. Gotta pull out my DVD's for season 1.

One thing that kind of bugs me is the loose attachment of the backstories to the current stories now though. Locke's "leap of faith" story with the leap of faith pressing the button to me seemed like just an excuse to show more of his story. While in the past, the backstories were kind of like what the character was thinking about at the particular time, I didn't think the whole Locke story in this episode had quite a direct relationship to what was probably going on in his mind in quarantine room.

They're kicking ass in the ratings. Too bad that the cast members are getting discouraged about the relative lack of attention they're getting though. Guess it's because they're looked at as sweaty and stinky unlike the sexual image of the housewives...

http://imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-10-06/#3

[Honolulu_Blue]

Nice, but why would they want Walt?
Because the kid has super powers!

[Joe Canadian]

BTW... has anyone done a google search on the book that the film was behind? There was a movie losely based on it... and it has an interesting title. I'll let you guys figure it out... :)

[Joe Canadian]

They're kicking ass in the ratings. Too bad that the cast members are getting discouraged about the relative lack of attention they're getting though. Guess it's because they're looked at as sweaty and stinky unlike the sexual image of the housewives...

http://imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-10-06/#3

I was getting annoyed with this as well... I've never seen an interview with anyone on the show besides Fox or Meriadoc Brandybuck. While the cast of Housewives are on TV like every two seconds...

[Joe Canadian]

Double Dola,

Does anyone have a screen capture of the picture Desmond had in the hatch that Jack was looking at? My video of that screen is extremly dark...

[rkmsuf]

Double Dola,

Does anyone have a screen capture of the picture Desmond had in the hatch that Jack was looking at? My video of that screen is extremly dark...

Here you go.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7579/dinneridea18oh.jpg

[Joe Canadian]

Here you go.

IMAGE

Not exactly what I was looking for...

[gottimd]

Not sure what you are referring to? What picture?

[Bearcat729]

Double Dola,

Does anyone have a screen capture of the picture Desmond had in the hatch that Jack was looking at? My video of that screen is extremly dark...


This is the best i've found

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/PCM72/photo.jpg

[gottimd]

ah okay, now I remember. Did he look at the picture because maybe its somewhere in LA he recognized, and he was thinking he knew desmond from somewhere?

[rexallllsc]

I think that someone forgot to enter the numbers in the Swan station (electromagnetism) about 44 days ago causing the plane to crash.


Yeah! And that's why Desmond seemed so set back when told they plane crashed 44 days ago. :) "44 days?"

[gottimd]

Yeah! And that's why Desmond seemed so set back when told they plane crashed 44 days ago. :) "44 days?"
Well he could just be shocked that they have survived up there for 44 days without a virus killing them, but you could be correct as well.

So Desmond should be losing his mind if he has had to reset that thing every 108 minutes. So he hasn't slept for more than 1 hour and 48 minutes at a time for god knows how long. If that was me, and I was down there by myself, I wouldve moved my bed ALOT closer to that thing so I could just roll over and type the numbers in and fall asleep. Or just figure out some system that would hen peck the numbers itself.

[Raiders Army]

So Desmond should be losing his mind if he has had to reset that thing every 108 minutes.
Not to mention no sex.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, or beer

[rkmsuf]

I was pleased they worked the Commodore Vic-20 into the show.

[rkmsuf]

Not to mention no sex.


He had porn stored on the Vic 20. Every 87 minutes he gets busy.

[Raiders Army]

Ah, then I would hope that he keeps the lotion close by as well.

[rkmsuf]

Ah, then I would hope that he keeps the lotion close by as well.

that's why he was so pissed that someone opened the hatch. it was minute 79.

[rexallllsc]

Well he could just be shocked that they have survived up there for 44 days without a virus killing them, but you could be correct as well.

So Desmond should be losing his mind if he has had to reset that thing every 108 minutes. So he hasn't slept for more than 1 hour and 48 minutes at a time for god knows how long. If that was me, and I was down there by myself, I wouldve moved my bed ALOT closer to that thing so I could just roll over and type the numbers in and fall asleep. Or just figure out some system that would hen peck the numbers itself.

The reason I think that portion may just be a social experiment is because even those computers could be programmed to run those #'s. Why else would they have to be entered so frequently?

[gottimd]

The reason I think that portion may just be a social experiment is because even those computers could be programmed to run those #'s. Why else would they have to be entered so frequently?
Like a Pavlov experiment?

[Glengoyne]

BTW... has anyone done a google search on the book that the film was behind? There was a movie losely based on it... and it has an interesting title. I'll let you guys figure it out... :)
Turn of the Screw by Henry James. It scared the bejesus outta me when I read it in High School.

As for the movie based on it. I've heard that "the Others" was loosely based on Turn of the Screw, but as I haven't seen the movie I can't be possitive. The name of the movie is definately food for thought.

[Raiders Army]

The reason I think that portion may just be a social experiment is because even those computers could be programmed to run those #'s. Why else would they have to be entered so frequently?
To give them a break from jerking off? Anything over 108 minutes and you definitely need a break.

[Joe Canadian]

Turn of the Screw by Henry James. It scared the bejesus outta me when I read it in High School.

As for the movie based on it. I've heard that "the Others" was loosely based on Turn of the Screw, but as I haven't seen the movie I can't be possitive. The name of the movie is definately food for thought.

You are correct, the movie was "The Others."

I don't think it means anything it's just something the writers put in for the diehards to check out.

[gottimd]

People are finding things all over these new sites that popped up. The training video that was shown in orientation is apparently up, and it is a lot clearer than what they showed on TV last night, but no additional stuff.

I cant get it to work.

[kingfc22]

I don't know that it's Locke's dad, but I am harboring a certain suspicion that Locke's dad is the con-man who Sawyer's been looking for.
I haven't finished reading this thread yet, but I was under the impression that Sawyer's con-man was the guy who sent him to Australia to kill the vender.

[gottimd]

better screenshot of what Jack was looking at


http://lost.cubit.net/pics/desmondPhoto.jpg