NCAA Week 5

[sterlingice]

Haven't seen a thread yet so figured it was good to start one.

Mizzou/Texas is off to a crazy 14-13 start before the 1st Q is even over but with Yankees/Sox having huge playoff implications, I'll be watching that mostly, even tho I hate both. Heck, with a lot of the playoff picture still muddy going into the last two days, I'm just not as interested in NCAA or NFL today and tomorrow.

SI

[jbmagic]

i can't wait for USC to start soon

i will watch the USC game and UCLA game today

[sterlingice]

It's possible shootout day for me with Mizzou/Texas early and listening on the radio to KU/Texas Tech late.

SI

[st.cronin]

Week 3?

[Joe]

just sitting here waiting for Minnesota/Penn State in a few hours. watching Michigan/MSU which is great so far. Go Blue!

[ISiddiqui]

VTech v. WVU is a great game so far! This one looks like it'll go to the wire.

[cartman]

Jamaal Charles of Texas is the real deal. When he came in this season, he said he wanted to make UT fans forget about not landing Adrian Peterson. So far this season, he is backing that claim up.

[st.cronin]

Blake Powers passing line in Madison so far: 3-15, 77 yards, 1 td, 2 picks. His TD pass went for 83 yards, so take that out and it's 2-14, -6 yards, 2 picks.

[cartman]

3rd and 30 for Texas. VY runs for 33 yards. That is just mean.

[timmynausea]

VTech v. WVU is a great game so far! This one looks like it'll go to the wire.

Those turnovers hurt.

[sterlingice]

Week 3? I'm awake, really. Week 5, right?

EDIT: I was going off the "SGS Poll Week 3" below. That must have been where I grabbed it.

SI

[Joe]

3rd and 30 for Texas. VY runs for 33 yards. That is just mean.


SICK

[cartman]

I'm awake, really. Week 5, right?

EDIT: I was going off the "SGS Poll Week 3" below. That must have been where I grabbed it.

SI

Not week #3, but poll #3...

:)

[sterlingice]

Hey, it was 3 minutes past being AM on Saturday. Cut a guy some slack ;)

SI

[st.cronin]

3rd and 30 for Texas. VY runs for 33 yards. That is just mean.

That is so very, very TCY.

[timmynausea]

Classy of Vick to give the WVU fans the finger on national TV.

[cartman]

I almost thought ABC was going to make a horrible mistake there. They announced that instead of showing the 4th quarter of the Texas-Missouri game, they were switching to the Michigan-Michigan State game after the break. Sure enough, after the commercials, it was the Michigan-Mich. St. game. For about 10 seconds. That was probably the amount of time it took for the switchboard to light up at the Austin affiliate of ABC... :D

[Schmidty]

I almost thought ABC was going to make a horrible mistake there. They announced that instead of showing the 4th quarter of the Texas-Missouri game, they were switching to the Michigan-Michigan State game after the break. Sure enough, after the commercials, it was the Michigan-Mich. St. game. For about 10 seconds. That was probably the amount of time it took for the switchboard to light up at the Austin affiliate of ABC... :D

Too bad for you Texans that you don't like to watch REAL football.

[cartman]

Too bad for you Texans that you don't like to watch REAL football.

It's just a cardinal rule of sports programming. You NEVER break away to another game when the home team is still playing.

[ISiddiqui]

HAHAHA! Michigan's kicker sucks!

[st.cronin]

Classy of Vick to give the WVU fans the finger on national TV.

Those Vicks are just repulsive. I hate them both.

[Schmidty]

Those Vicks are just repulsive. I hate them both.

I'd do the same thing if I was Drew Stanton against U-M, then again I'm not concern with being nice to the Wolverines. So I guess I have no problem with what Vick did.

[MacroGuru]

I hate the fact I have to wait until 8 pm MST to watch the BYU game..

[sterlingice]

I guess I don't feel so bad about having to wait until 7pm CT for the TTech/KU game. And it's stupid that it's not even a tv game, instead A&M v Baylor is on :(

SI

[Galaxy]

Baylor is beating the Aggies.

[st.cronin]

Woah

Hell of a throw by Croyle; TD Crimson Tide

[sterlingice]

Baylor is beating the Aggies.
Cool, did not see that. Still, you can't tell me it looked good coming in.

SI

[Schmidty]

Holy shit, Reggie Bush is fucking amazing! I'd take him over Leinert in the draft.

[bronconick]

Is the entire Urban "spread offense" nothing more then little weak option pitches and flipping the ball to WR or RB in motion back the other way?

[HomerJSimpson]

Is the entire Urban "spread offense" nothing more then little weak option pitches and flipping the ball to WR or RB in motion back the other way?


That is it. It is a glorified option, with many of the pitches going forward and counting as passes. It is different, and a bit tricky, but it is not going to set the world on fire.

[cthomer5000]

That ball did make it to the goal-line in the Alabama game. Can we get a challenge?

[Poli]

GO BAMA!

[st.cronin]

Granted it's not even half a game, but Brody Coyle is easily the most accurate passer I've seen in college this year. I think he could throw a football through a keyhole while in a full sprint.

[HomerJSimpson]

Granted it's not even half a game, but Brody Coyle is easily the most accurate passer I've seen in college this year. I think he could throw a football through a keyhole while in a full sprint.


Too bad he is made of glass.

[tdydynasty]

Too bad for you Texans that you don't like to watch REAL football.

You just don't break in a game in the home areas of the teams playing. Texas and Missouri should have stayed with their game even if it is 100-0. Outside of these areas switching to the Michigan/Michigan State was the best idea.

[General Mike]

Granted it's not even half a game, but Brody Coyle is easily the most accurate passer I've seen in college this year. I think he could throw a football through a keyhole while in a full sprint.

If he didn't have the injury questions, and I was the Jets, I would take him.

[ISiddiqui]

Holy Crap, Bama is schooling Florida!

[Poli]

WOOHOO! GO BAMA!

[st.cronin]

Holy smokes the Tide is Rolling.

[Easy Mac]

You're witnessing the arrival of a national championship contender. And if it wasn't for his knee surgeries, Brodie Croyle would be a top 10 pick. That kid is talented, and someone will get a steal around the 4th round.

Oh, and to pimp myself, listen to the first inthebleachers podcast... i predicted Alabama for the SEC.

[bronconick]

You're witnessing the arrival of a national championship contender. And if it wasn't for his knee surgeries, Brodie Croyle would be a top 10 pick. That kid is talented, and someone will get a steal around the 4th round.

Oh, and to pimp myself, listen to the first inthebleachers podcast... i predicted Alabama for the SEC.
I recall Brodie being a fairly highly touted QB way back when.

[Poli]

He was, but he tore his knee up his senior year. The kid is great, but just gets banged up.

[st.cronin]

You're witnessing the arrival of a national championship contender. And if it wasn't for his knee surgeries, Brodie Croyle would be a top 10 pick. That kid is talented, and someone will get a steal around the 4th round.

Oh, and to pimp myself, listen to the first inthebleachers podcast... i predicted Alabama for the SEC.

I am *really* impressed with Croyle. He looks every bit as good as Leinart. He's made 3 or 4 PERFECT throws with a high degree of difficulty.

[cthomer5000]

USC is on the ropes. 21-3 ASU.

[HomerJSimpson]

USC is on the ropes. 21-3 ASU.


Has Leinart come back yet?

[Honolulu_Blue]

HAHAHA! Michigan's kicker wins the game in OT!
Fixed.

[cthomer5000]

Has Leinart come back yet?
He's in the game, yes.

[HomerJSimpson]

He's in the game, yes.


Does he look like he is playing hurt?

[cthomer5000]

Does he look like he is playing hurt?
No, not at all. And the annoncers haven't referenced it at all in the 2nd quarter. They're just getting there asses kicked at the line of scrimmage on offense and defense.

[WSUCougar]

Washington State is taking it to the Beavers, 30-13 just before halftime. Cougar WR Jason Hill is going berserk with 7 catches for 179 yards and a TD thusfar, while our stud RB Jerome Harrison already has 100+ yards and 3 TDS. YOWSA!

[HomerJSimpson]

There is just nothing more beautiful than the Gators being blown out. I think it might just inspire me to poetry. Well, probably not, but it might.

[Poli]

Word.

[HomerJSimpson]

Would a highschool team be able to run the Florida offense? It really seems like just a series of option checks. It seems pretty simple on the surface.

[st.cronin]

Would a highschool team be able to run the Florida offense? It really seems like just a series of option checks. It seems pretty simple on the surface.

All it is is an option with 3 or 4 wrs, although it's sometimes muddled who is a wr and who is a rb. High schools essentially DO run this offense, except the players line up in different spots.

[cthomer5000]

Great drive by USC to open the second half. They've finally gotten as patient as they need to be, because they simply aren't finding big plays. 21-10.

[cthomer5000]

USC is rolling in the second half here. Not looking good for ASU, though they're still up 21-17.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Baylor should have won today versus TAMU, but they lost on OT 16-13.
Too many missed FG attempts and red zone trips that ended up with nothing.

[HomerJSimpson]

Goodness! That Alabama's players leg just broke off at the shin. That was about as sick as I've ever seen.

[Mr. Sparkle]

That was horrible.

[Easy Mac]

That was horribly sickening. I almost threw up.

[sterlingice]

Baylor should have won today versus TAMU, but they lost on OT 16-13.
Too many missed FG attempts and red zone trips that ended up with nothing.
To be fair, if Baylor had made only one of those field goals, the Aggies would have gone for it on 4th and 1 late and probably would have won it there. That said, you can never tell how a game is going to turn out.

SI

[dawgfan]

USC is on the ropes. 21-3 ASU.

I think it's pretty clear that against this year's edition of USC, an 18 point lead in the 1st half is hardly putting the Trojans "...on the ropes."

ASU may well hold on to win, but the Trojans are as capable of storming back into a game as any I've seen in a long time.

[Solecismic]

They're like Muhammad Ali out there. Rope-a-doping their way through the first half.

[bhlloy]

YES... TD Leinart. 24-21 USC.

Now we see if the defense is good enough to allow a shot at the national championship.

EDIT: Obviously not this time :(

[ShovelMonkey]

No mention of PennSt.'s whooping of Minnesota? Probably should see the lions ranked this week?

[bronconick]

Fuck you ABC.

I sit through a 44-14 snoozefest to everyone outside of say, Pennsylvania and Minnesota, and you don't switch to the #1 team in the nation locked in a dogfight in the 4th quarter. On top of that, you give me the local news next. Assclowns.

[cthomer5000]

I think it's pretty clear that against this year's edition of USC, an 18 point lead in the 1st half is hardly putting the Trojans "...on the ropes."

ASU may well hold on to win, but the Trojans are as capable of storming back into a game as any I've seen in a long time.
It wasn't so much the lead as how USC looked. They were getting shoved arond, couldn't get anything together, and good make any plays of even a moderate size.

They're back down again with 6 to go, so we'll see what they're made of.

[timmynausea]

Yeah, I can't believe it. Why would they not show the end of the USC game?

[bronconick]

Let me rephrase that. One of our two ABC's is showing local news. The other is showing an infomercial.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

4 ints for ASU now.

[Solecismic]

Beautifully executed hook-and-lateral from ASU. I just wonder how much having two teams with virtually identical colors is confusing them out there. If they were on the road, that's a touchdown?

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Seems ASU's STUDENT athletes cant compare to USC's employees.

[dawgfan]

It wasn't so much the lead as how USC looked. They were getting shoved arond, couldn't get anything together, and good make any plays of even a moderate size.

They're back down again with 6 to go, so we'll see what they're made of.

Regardless, it's pretty clear with this team that any pronouncements about how bad they may look in the 1st half should be held in check until midway through the 2nd half. Maybe USC is falling into a dangerous pattern after last week of feeling like they can breeze through the 1st half and if necessary turn it up in the 2nd half to win the game, but they're getting away with it.

Given how much USC has run wild behind White and Bush, I'd have to say they're not getting shoved around on the offensive side of the ball, and they're doing a pretty good job of shutting down the Sun Devil ground game.

[timmynausea]

He just said they were on the ropes. He didn't say "this one is over" or anything like that.

[cthomer5000]

He just said they were on the ropes. He didn't say "this one is over" or anything like that.
Thank you. I bet this is the same group of assholes who get upset when people "dare" to compare one player to another.

[dawgfan]

He just said they were on the ropes. He didn't say "this one is over" or anything like that.

On the ropes implies they are in serious trouble. My point is that an 18 point deficit in the 1st half is not an indication USC is in serious trouble, not with this year's team. If the Trojans are facing an 18 point deficit at the end of the 3rd quarter, then I think you can say they're "on the ropes".

[dawgfan]

Thank you. I bet this is the same group of assholes who get upset when people "dare" to compare one player to another.

:confused:

[cthomer5000]

Regardless, it's pretty clear with this team that any pronouncements about how bad they may look in the 1st half should be held in check until midway through the 2nd half.
One of the dumbest things I have ever read. Does their second half performance somehow change how they looked in the first half?

[dawgfan]

One of the dumbest things I have ever read. Does their second half performance somehow change how they looked in the first half?

Here's my point - you can say they look bad, but to make a pronouncement that they're "on the ropes" by virtue of being down 18 points in the 1st half is seriously jumping the gun. Their performance last week and this week backs this up. Unless you have USC down 18 at the end the 3rd quarter, it's premature to say they're "one the ropes". Sure, they may have looked bad in the 1st half (relatively speaking), but the accurate thing to have said would be "Gee, they sure look bad so far."

Don't get pissed at me for pointing out how your statement was jumping the gun.

[cthomer5000]

It wasn't jumping the gun. They were on the ropes, ASU simply failed to knock them out.

[WSUCougar]

Cougs are "Coug-ing" it. Oregon State up 37-33 late.

[bhlloy]

Seems ASU's STUDENT athletes cant compare to USC's employees.

The current Wall Street Journal Weekend lists the Wunderlic intelligence testing done by the NFL, sorted by college.
If Stanford’s top score is counted as 100% and others graded as a percentage of the top score, here are the grades for the PAC 10 schools.

A+ Stanford 100%

B+ Cal 88%

B- UCLA 83%
B- Oregon 82%
C+ OSU 79%

D- USC 70%
D- ASU 70%

F Arizona <56%
F Wash. <56%
F WSU <56%

No scores were recorded lower than 56%, nor for schools with less than 20 NFL prospects.

This quantifies the oft-quoted observation that some of the best football players at other PAC 10 schools are not much as students.

So - from this article we gather that although the PAC 10 as a conference is not as good academically as most other conferences (interestingly there was only one SEC school in the top 20 though), USC and ASU appear to be at about the same level for student athletics. Nice try though.

[Raiders Army]

USC. Good comeback.

[bhlloy]

Great comeback. Interesting that Keller was the one talking a lot of smack before the game and pretty much lost it for ASU. Some big INT's thrown in the second half.

Worries me that two weeks running we have got out of jail - soon we have to run into a team that will make us pay for early mistakes.
Gritty win is encouraging though - defense stepped up pretty big on a couple of key occasions.

[dawgfan]

It wasn't jumping the gun. They were on the ropes, ASU simply failed to knock them out.

No, obviously they weren't on the ropes. Any such pronouncement in the 1st half of a game is jumping the gun, and especially when talking about a team like the Trojans that can score a flurry of points in a flash.

If ASU had been up by 18 going into the 4th quarter, then you could say they had USC on the ropes.

[dawgfan]

So - from this article we gather that although the PAC 10 as a conference is not as good academically as most other conferences (interestingly there was only one SEC school in the top 20 though), USC and ASU appear to be at about the same level for student athletics. Nice try though.

You have a link to this article?

[cthomer5000]

No, obviously they weren't on the ropes. Don't fighters who are sometimes "on the ropes" come back to win? The fact that USC won does not automatically invalidate my statement. It was 21-3 at the half. Another touchdown by ASU and we're talking about the huge upset right now. Instead they came out flat, USC quickly scored twice, and momentum changed 180 degrees.

I stand by my statement, despite everyone's willingness to fight over semantics and their own perception about what I said actually meant.

[cthomer5000]

Amazing catch in the Notre Dame game just now.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Anyone see that one handed catch by Smardija vs. Perdue?

[dawgfan]

Don't fighters who are sometimes "on the ropes" come back to win? The fact that USC won does not automatically invalidate my statement. It was 21-3 at the half. Another touchdown by ASU and we're talking about the huge upset right now. Instead they came out flat, USC quickly scored twice, and momentum changed 180 degrees.

I stand by my statement, despite everyone's willingness to fight over semantics and their own perception about what I said actually meant.

I guess we'll agree to disagree then. An 18 point lead at the half against this Trojan team in my opinion does not qualify as having them "on the ropes". A 30 point lead at the half, or an 18 point lead going into the 4th quarter - that would qualify in my opinion. And even then I'm thinking USC has a shot at making a comeback.

As a matter of contrast, any team with an 18 point lead against my Huskies this year at the half - that's not only having Washington on the ropes, it's probably as good as considering the game over.

[bhlloy]

You have a link to this article?

Afraid not, I have quoted it from the Scout.com messageboard which unless you have a membership I don't think you can get access to it. I will put up the whole post though - the article was originally published in the Wall Street Journal I believe.

I understand this is an *incredibly* limited study. But unless somebody has analysed all ASU and USC football players GPA's I think it's the best I can do.

I cannot see any reason why ASU players should be more STUDENT athletes than USC anyway. Generally (non-athletes) the academics at USC are much better.


Are PAC 10 football players students? NFL grades from WSJ.
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The current Wall Street Journal Weekend lists the Wunderlic intelligence testing done by the NFL, sorted by college.
If Stanford’s top score is counted as 100% and others graded as a percentage of the top score, here are the grades for the PAC 10 schools.

A+ Stanford 100%

B+ Cal 88%

B- UCLA 83%
B- Oregon 82%
C+ OSU 79%

D- USC 70%
D- ASU 70%

F Arizona <56%
F Wash. <56%
F WSU <56%

No scores were recorded lower than 56%, nor for schools with less than 20 NFL prospects.

This quantifies the oft-quoted observation that some of the best football players at other PAC 10 schools are not much as students.


The average Wunderlic scores, for those who might be interested:
1. Stanford 28.8
2. Purdue 25.3
3. (tie) Cal 25.2
3. (tie) BYU 25.2
5. UCLA 24
6. Oregon 23.5
7. Wisconsin 23.2
8. Iowa 23
9. Oregon State 22.8
10. Nebraska 22.6
11. Notre Dame 22.5
12. Boston College 22
13. Colorado 21.8
14. Michigan 21.7
15. Virginia 21.5
16. Texas A&M 21
17. (Tie) Florida 20.8
17. (Tie) Ohio State 20.8
19. (Tie) Penn State 20.7
19. (Tie) Virginia Tech 20.7
21. (Tie) Southern Cal 20.3
21. (Tie) West Virginia 20.3
23. Arizona State 20.2

[bhlloy]

DOLA - found it. Need to create a WSJ account but the .pdf file is here:

hxxp://online.wsj.com/documents/WSJ_Fball_Collegescore.pdf

[Buccaneer]

What? UGA is not in the top 22?!?!?

[dawgfan]

I have a membership to the Washington portion of Scout, but if it was on a premium MB for another team, I don't think I have access to it.

I was curious in the study where teams from other conferences ranked (to get an idea of how the Pac-10 stacks up). Given the results you posted, it looks to me like the Pac-10 rates quite well, with the caveat that this is likely an extremely limited study, especially if it's just results from last year.

The other thing I was curious about is methodology. I'm assuming that this is based off the Wonderlic scores posted by the NFL prospects from each team at the NFL draft combine. If so, that's a very limited range, given that some teams have very few players at the combine (like Washington last year) and so any particlularly low or high scores would skew the overall team results.

[Buccaneer]

NFL prospects.

This quantifies the oft-quoted observation that some of the best football players at other PAC 10 schools are not much as students.


The average Wunderlic scores, for those who might be interested:
1. Stanford 28.8
2. Purdue 25.3
3. (tie) Cal 25.2
3. (tie) BYU 25.2
5. UCLA 24
6. Oregon 23.5
7. Wisconsin 23.2
8. Iowa 23
9. Oregon State 22.8
10. Nebraska 22.6
11. Notre Dame 22.5
12. Boston College 22
13. Colorado 21.8
14. Michigan 21.7
15. Virginia 21.5
16. Texas A&M 21
17. (Tie) Florida 20.8
17. (Tie) Ohio State 20.8
19. (Tie) Penn State 20.7
19. (Tie) Virginia Tech 20.7
21. (Tie) Southern Cal 20.3
21. (Tie) West Virginia 20.3
23. Arizona State 20.2
I breaking it down by geographic regions, we have:

Northeast: 3 (WV is always hard to slot)
South: 2 (the two VA schools which technically could be Mid-Atlantic)
Midwest/Plains: 8 (includes Texas)
West/Mountain: 8

[Celeval]

Goodness! That Alabama's players leg just broke off at the shin. That was about as sick as I've ever seen.
Broke off?!

[dawgfan]

Broke off?!

It didn't break off obviously, but it sounds like a bad split:

Prothro was carted off the field with a splint on his lower left leg after landing awkwardly trying to catch a fourth-down pass in the end zone in the fourth quarter. Coach Mike Shula said Prothro was likely out for the season after breaking his leg in two places.

[timmynausea]

It was kind of dangling.

[bhlloy]

The other thing I was curious about is methodology. I'm assuming that this is based off the Wonderlic scores posted by the NFL prospects from each team at the NFL draft combine. If so, that's a very limited range, given that some teams have very few players at the combine (like Washington last year) and so any particlularly low or high scores would skew the overall team results.

The article states they didn't include any teams with less than 20 prospects so the numbers wouldn't get skewed.

I am also guessing that the numbers must have been either combine numbers from the last few years, or from drafted players in the last 5-10 years. There is no way Stanford or Notre Dame had 20 NFL prospects at the combine last year.

Of course the study is incredibly limited (Quiksand would probably say completely worthless ;) ) but my original point is still valid. There is absolutely no proof of any higher standard of student athletics at ASU than at USC. If anything, I would expect USC to be tougher... a number of real good players have left over the last year because they couldn't meet the requirements.

Interesting you bring up the point about the PAC 10 - they do seem to perform pretty well therefore ruining the hypothesis the article was posted under!

[Buccaneer]

It didn't break off obviously, but it sounds like a bad split:
As bad as this? http://www.clan-veterans.net/members/nico/Kickboxer_breaks_leg.mpeg

[dawgfan]

As bad as this? http://www.clan-veterans.net/members/nico/Kickboxer_breaks_leg.mpeg

Uh, that's tough to look at. I don't know how bad the Alabama injury looked (haven't seen the replays myself).

[dawgfan]

The article states they didn't include any teams with less than 20 prospects so the numbers wouldn't get skewed.

I am also guessing that the numbers must have been either combine numbers from the last few years, or from drafted players in the last 5-10 years. There is no way Stanford or Notre Dame had 20 NFL prospects at the combine last year.

Of course the study is incredibly limited (Quiksand would probably say completely worthless ;) ) but my original point is still valid. There is absolutely no proof of any higher standard of student athletics at ASU than at USC. If anything, I would expect USC to be tougher... a number of real good players have left over the last year because they couldn't meet the requirements.

Interesting you bring up the point about the PAC 10 - they do seem to perform pretty well therefore ruining the hypothesis the article was posted under!

I wasn't really commenting on the ASU/USC thing. As for the Pac-10, yeah, the results seem to contradict that comment about the Pac-10 not faring well in comparison to other conferences, which is part of the reason I was curious to see the whole article.

Hmmm, if it's at least 20 prospects per team, that does imply probably 3-4 years worth of results, maybe more, which would give a more accurate picture of how each program is doing in terms of football players intelligence level.

Too many variables though to really make a definitive judgement.

[TazFTW]

Ugh, most of the games that are on are one sided. ND/Purdue 28-0, Aub/SC 38-0, OU/KSt 26-0, Cal/UA 21-0. The closest game on TV right now is Nevada/San Jose St. 20-17

[Kam]

Don Beebe apparently plays for USF.

Miami player was heading for a TD, when an USF player comes up from behind and pokes the ball out. Ball ends up rolling out of the end zone for a touchback.

[timmynausea]

Vanderbilt's undefeated season is on the line... to Middle Tennesee State. They trail 17-15 with 6:41 to go. Not sure if I'm allowed to say that they're on the ropes or not, but...

[timmynausea]

Vanderbilt drove from their own 1 to the Middle Tennesse St. 19 in the final two minutes to attempt a fg as time expired. It was blocked. 17-15 MTSU.

[VPI97]

Vanderbilt drove from their own 1 to the Middle Tennesse St. 19 in the final two minutes to attempt a fg as time expired. It was blocked. 17-15 MTSU.MTSU now has them officially on the ropes.

[timmynausea]

UTEP is blowing it against Memphis. Palmer just had a pick returned to the 8. 20-20 tie with 1:16 to go.

[timmynausea]

UTEP lost 27-20, so add them to the list of unbeatens to go down this weekend:
UTEP
Florida
Virginia
West Virginia
Michigan State
Indiana
Baylor
Oklahoma State
Minnesota
Iowa State
Washington State
Kansas State
Kansas
Vanderbilt

[cthomer5000]

MTSU now has them officially on the ropes.
Still too early to say that.

[MacroGuru]

BAH! I hate BYU this season..

[TazFTW]

Hawaii is beating Boise State 20-7 at half time.

[NoMyths]

*sigh*

Can't bring myself to hate Charlie Weis for taking the Boilers apart. Hell of a coach, and hell of a plan tonight.

And Brock Spack needs to be fired. With prejudice. Like I said last week: defensive playcalling killed us. There's no excuse for returning all starters on defense and giving up 40+ points a game.

[TazFTW]

Hawaii is beating Boise State 20-7 at half time.
And Hawaii loses 44-41... :mad:

[HomerJSimpson]

As bad as this? http://www.clan-veterans.net/members/nico/Kickboxer_breaks_leg.mpeg


Yes, it was a lot like that. The thing was flopping around like it detached. Not literally detached, but the bone looked to completely seperate. It was sick. Very sick.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Brady Quinn for Heisman!