NFL Week 5

[miami_fan]

Vick won't start.

First games for me

NE/ATL
TB/NYJ

[gottimd]

According to Lock of the Day:

Chicago Bears +3

Today we're going with the Bears. They're a much better team than the Browns, and will prove it today. Cleveland's sluggish offense will have trouble scoring points on the highly-ranked Bears defense (4th overall). Kyle Orton has had a week off to review his mistakes and Cedric Benson will be seeing more time to keep fresh legs in the backfield. Chicago's D will keep them in this game the entire time, while their offense should indeed wake up in Cleveland (Browns 30th overall D). The Bears +3? What a LOCK!

[DeToxRox]

Lions score early on a Jones TD Run.

Bonus points for his Deion Sanders TD celebration with Deion on the field.

[Solecismic]

Bonnie Bernstein is looking a little under the weather. I think she's playing hurt today.

Will the Pats/Falcons game end 0-0? No. Much more impressive on the latest drive. The bomb to Branch opened things up.

Jenkins has already taken a full game's worth of hard hits. I thought Wilson should have been penalized on the first one, but the announcers didn't say a word.

[cthomer5000]

The Jets stuff Tampa 3 and out on their first posession, then fumble the punt, eventually resulting in a Tampa field goal.

vinny has taken the field. ....

[cthomer5000]

Vinny looked good on the openiing drive, but Mike Nugent misses a 40 yard field goal. fucking rookie.

[st.cronin]

6 yard TD run from Pat Pass - nice drive from the Pats.

[DeToxRox]

Wow. This play in the Lions game if it stands is gonna be nuts.

[DeToxRox]

Harrington loses control of the ball, but could be a throw. Everyone stops but the refs dont' blow the whistle. Jones picks it up and runs it to the 1. Insane. Play is under review now though.

[DeToxRox]

Wow. Play stands. Great job by the refs not to blow it dead and let it continue.

Lions on the one on a total fluke!

[Solecismic]

There's a highlight we'll see over and over tonight. Daniel Graham on an amazing catch and run immediately after the announcers point out New England TEs have just one touchdown this season.

[DeToxRox]

TD #2 Kevin Jones!

13-0 with the upcoming EP.

Amazing.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Wow. Play stands. Great job by the refs not to blow it dead and let it continue.

Lions on the one on a total fluke!
Horrible call.

Makes up for last week. A little bit...

But... TOUCHDOWN KEVIN JONES!!!!

14-0.

[st.cronin]

14-0 Pats; they look like they came to kick ass today.

[DeToxRox]

14-0.

I am loving it.

[DeToxRox]

Horrible call.

Makes up for last week. A little bit...

But... TOUCHDOWN KEVIN JONES!!!!

14-0.

Agreed, sketchy call at best. But the refs did it right because ya didnt know when it happened and they let it go on.

[Coffee Warlord]

I really get the feeling the Bears reallllly lost faith in Orton. Run run run run run run run run run run run run run run.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola. Ruben Brown injured and back in the locker room. O-Line depth is not something the Bears have. Eesh.

[DeToxRox]

EARL HOLMES LAYS THE WOOD!

Fumble on a good Baltimore drive and Lions get it back.

[hoopsguy]

If the Bears want to hammer it out on the ground perhaps they could give the ball to Jones instead of trying to justify their Benson pick?

[Coffee Warlord]

And that aforementioned lack of depth shows. Int return to the 10, it's now 3rd and goal on the 30 something, after the sub guard gets called for a Facemask, and allows a sack.

edit: That sub guard (Roberto Garza) was an FA signing. Another stellar Angelo move.

[DeToxRox]

Joey throws a horrible pass. Suggs makes the play and runs it back deep into Detroit territory.

[DeToxRox]

YES! DRE BLY INT IN THE ENDZONE!

[DeToxRox]

Bly with INT #2 this half. Third Ravens turnover of the game. Joey got saved on this one.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Dre Bly!!!

Damnit Bly, take a knee. Take. A. Knee. He just can't control himself once he gets the ball in his hands. His crazy laterals, trying to run it out of the endzone... Oh well, I'll take it if he keeps making plays.

[TazFTW]

You hit a ref and no ejection?

[DeToxRox]

Roy Williams is questionable to return now. Not good. We're down to three WR to my knowledge. Mike Williams, Kevin Johnson and Scotty Vines. Drummond is out too so there is another WR.

[-Mojo Jojo-]

I'll be damned, the Packers came to play this week.

[cthomer5000]

The Jets are going to wint hte Super Bowl. go Vinny!

[DeToxRox]

Damn. Nice shovel pass to Lewis for a Ravens score.

[INDalltheway]

I'll be damned, the Packers came to play this week.
Actually I just think the Saints are that bad... :p

[st.cronin]

Warrick Dunn is a stud. And I agree, the Saints are bad. I still like them to win the Leinart sweepstakes.

[-Mojo Jojo-]

Actually I just think the Saints are that bad... :p

At 0-4, nothing is a gimme..

[Ironhead]

Wow, Atlanta's punter just kicked a 58 yard field goal!

[Crapshoot]

Okay, that was funny. That punter looked good.

[Solecismic]

Stupid timeout shennanigans from the Patriot defense cost them a field goal. I know freezing the kicker is in vogue these days, but this last-second time out fake stuff is really annoying. Someone should drop a 15-yarder and end this.

[Cringer]

THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!

Ok, maybe not.

Still a good day for once this year.

[jeff061]

Why did they try to ice them on a 58 yard FG. I hate the idea of icing in general, but on a 58 yarder?

[FBPro]

Why did they try to ice them on a 58 yard FG. I hate the idea of icing in general, but on a 58 yarder?
hehehe--great move Pats, thanks.

[jeff061]

The guy had no pressure on him to hit it. He's just going to go up there and kick the hell out of the ball and hope it goes through. Making him think about isn't going to accomplish anything.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Lions are just barely hanging on with Baltimore playing like absolute crap. Absolute. Crap. They have a kajillion penalties. The Lions are down to three wideouts and can't run the ball for sh*t.

[Solecismic]

New Orleans' closet is filling up with excrement. 35-3.

[st.cronin]

Brady is 10-12 for 220 yards.

[TazFTW]

I think its time to get Aaron Rodgers some playing time.

[hoopsguy]

Once again Benson is killing the Bears - although they should have challenged there.

[INDalltheway]

Thomas Jones has looked sooooo good too.. I just don't see why you would want to replace him so bad with the numbers he is putting up.

[Tekneek]

Can't depend on the damn Falcons to take care of the Patriots.

[DeToxRox]

Terrell Suggs gets ejected from the Lions/Ravens game for bumping the ref.

This game is turning into a black and blue game.

Bodies everywhere.

Old school football, I love it.

[TroyF]

Brady is playing pissed off today. He looks good. I'm not sure it's going to cover up the Pats long term defensive problems though. They still look pretty poor. And as good as Brady is, he isn't going 15/17 for 295 every week.

[jeff061]

Brady sure stepped it up this week. Thankfully. I don't trust the defense to keep Atlanta down.

[st.cronin]

Good lord but Tom Brady is absolutely shredding the Falcons secondary.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Ravens are imploding. Wow.

[DeToxRox]

lol. Ravens stop the Lions 3 downs in a row on the one, then a Ravens player makes an unsightly gesture, automatic first down for the Lions.

[DeToxRox]

Holy shit.

Ray Lewis just KILLED Kevin Jones.

Jesus.

[ISiddiqui]

Without Vick, I don't see a magical comback out of the Falcons. Though Brady is really exploiting that poor Falcons secondary. Usually the front 7 can put enough pressure on the QB to hide that weakness, but not today.

[INDalltheway]

lol. Ravens stop the Lions 3 downs in a row on the one, then a Ravens player makes an unsightly gesture, automatic first down for the Lions.
what did he do?

[DeToxRox]

This Ravens D is amazing. 3rd and goal from the 1 again. 6th play from the 1 and now Jones is down.

This is where we need Corey.

But I'd put in Pinner and let him rumble.

[Fonzie]

I think its time to get Aaron Rodgers some playing time.
This certainly seems as good a time as any to get the rookies some PT.

Of course, with the Packers, Rodgers is probably the only rookie not getting regular playing time anyway.

[st.cronin]

Schaub looks terrified out there - those blitzes early in the half I think have him panicked.

[DeToxRox]

what did he do?

Not sure, I didn't see it.

[DeToxRox]

TD PINNER!

Wow though .. Ravens with an amazing stand but almost got Pinner too.

[jeff061]

All Shaub has to do is close his eyes and throw it, btter chance a Falcon will get to the ball than the Patriots secondary :).

[DeToxRox]

Play is being challenged now. Baltimores last challenge. Since it was a ruled a score I think they're hard pressed to have conclusive footage to overturn.

[st.cronin]

All Shaub has to do is close his eyes and throw it, btter chance a Falcon will get to the ball than the Patriots secondary :).

I think one more injury and we'll see Matt Cassell at free safety.

[Schmidty]

I hate the Ravens right now because the Lions are playing them, but I think I'll root for them after this game. That defense is simply amazing. It's sad that it has such a shitty offense that can't support it.

[DeToxRox]

I hate the Ravens right now because the Lions are playing them, but I think I'll root for them after this game. That defense is simply amazing. It's sad that it has such a shitty offense that can't support it.

I've always loved the Ravens but today proves why they're so good.

[Honolulu_Blue]

TOCHDOWN!!!!

F*CK YOU RAVENS AND RAY LEWIS!!!!!

Thugs.

Only took 7 plays from the one. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

[DeToxRox]

lmao.

Another Raven ejected.

Will Demps i think

[Honolulu_Blue]

Another ejection for the Ravens.

These guys are out of f*cking control.

Absolutely ridiculous.

[TroyF]

No, the Falcons aren't coming back on em today. I just can't see it. But the NE defense does look bad. The thing that's amazed me about today is the fact Schaub hasn't had to make many difficult reads. 13-25for 192 and he has had at least 3 dropped balls. He could easily be at over 240 right now (one of those drops was on a deep ball)

It's hard to think NE won't be able to fix the problem, but they are still looking pretty vulnerable on defense.

[jeff061]

I hate rinky dink picks like that.

[DeToxRox]

Ward ejected for the Ravnes, not Demps.

[Schmidty]

Ok, my respect for the Ravens has fallen a bit since my last post. I can't respect morons like that.

[st.cronin]

Oh boy. Crumpler is large.

[jeff061]

Maybe the Pats should start doing this every set of downs:

Kneel
Kneel
Pass for 1st down

[TroyF]

Finish typing that and the Falcons march right down the field and score. Pats have the running game going, Brady can't miss, they are playing a guy who is greener than the Oregon Duck helmuts and this is a game in the fourth quarter. My, my, how times have changed.

Seahawks up by 13 on the Rams now. 6:18 left in the third quarter and Bulger has thrown in 22 times. How many will he end up with? I'll go with 44.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Good series by the Lions D. Just what they needed.

[Schmidty]

Wow, the Ravens are terrible.

[Honolulu_Blue]

WOW!

Great freaking return by RW and ANOTHER PERSONAL FOUL on the Ravens.

This is madness out there. Thunder Dome!

[DeToxRox]

MCQUARTERS! amazing return plus ANOTHER penalty

[Honolulu_Blue]

TOOSE!!!!!!

[Schmidty]

Ravens - 17 penalties for 114 yards.

Insane.

[Solecismic]

Since the Lions were kicking off from the Baltimore 40, why didn't they try an onside kick rather than just putting it through the end zone? It would only cost them about 8 yards if it didn't work.

[Tekneek]

Pass interference on the offense (New England). I like it.

[bronconick]

Since the Lions were kicking off from the Baltimore 40, why didn't they try an onside kick rather than just putting it through the end zone? It would only cost them about 8 yards if it didn't work.
That's one of the huge, huge problems that Mooch has.

Way too conservative.

[TroyF]

Oh, and this just in. . . the Texans are a HORRIBLE football team. If they get the #1 pick, I could see them taking Leinhart and trading Carr. Capers may as well get the resume printed up there is no way in hell he coaches this team next year.

[Schmidty]

What a catch by Fitzsimmons.

[DeToxRox]

TD FITZSIMMONS@!

[jeff061]

Christ. Everyone sucks but Brady.

[Honolulu_Blue]

TOUCHDOWN LIONS!!!

Right over Ray Lewis. Take that, punk.

28-10

[Schmidty]

TOUCHDOWN LIONS!!!

Right over Ray Lewis. Take that, punk.

28-10

The hate in you is strong, young Wolverine. Embrace it. You cannot fight the power of the Dark Side.

[TroyF]

I'm going to be low on Bulger BTW. Rams TD drive, he throws it 9 times. He's up to 31 and we still have the fourth quarter to play. He may get to 50 again.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Assuming the Lions can hold on and win this won, this could be a good thing for the team. Similar to going through a fight-filled game in hockey or a benched clearing brawl in baseball. It can really bring a team together and prove they can hang in there in a tough, physical game. Something that folks didn't think the Lions had it in 'em.

[TroyF]

Christ. Everyone sucks but Brady.


I think Branch has had a nice game. :)

Yeah, NE just doesn't look that good. i think they'll hold on for the win here though. I just can't see them allowing this inexperienced of a QB to beat them.

[ISiddiqui]

The Falcons - Pats game is the yellow bowl, for all the flags that are being thrown.

[jeff061]

Yeah the recievers look good. I'm just pissed at those two penalties.

[Schmidty]

The Falcons - Pats game is the yellow bowl, for all the flags that are being thrown.

Try watching Baltimore / Detroit.....

[TroyF]

I think Branch has had a nice game. :)

Yeah, NE just doesn't look that good. i think they'll hold on for the win here though. I just can't see them allowing this inexperienced of a QB to beat them.

OK, after that Duckett run, my opinion is changing. I can't believe how many tackles they are missing here.

[Schmidty]

21 penalties for the Ravens!!!!! WOW

[DeToxRox]

21 penalties for Baltimore.

1 more ties the NFL record.

[HomerJSimpson]

The Falcons are sure not scared to try going deep on the Pats.

[INDalltheway]

LOL @ the Saints!!!

[-Mojo Jojo-]

The Green Bay Packers are golden football gods.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Ravens now have 20 penalties for the game. Still 13 minutes left to play.

[Schmidty]

After this abortion of a game for the Ravens, the Ravens should fire Billick.

[HomerJSimpson]

The Falcons are completely robbed!

[Schmidty]

Ravens now have 20 penalties for the game. Still 13 minutes left to play.

You are so slow. ;)

[ISiddiqui]

That was a HORRIBLE call! He wasn't even close to stepping out of bounds!

[Tekneek]

As usual, the Patriots have the officiating crew in their pocket.

[HomerJSimpson]

Since when can't teams challenge field placement? That is such crap.

[DaddyTorgo]

well let's see a definitive replay before we all bitch and moan. i couldn't tell from the angle they just showed. here we go as i type this...still a bad angle! can't tell. gotta trust the line judge who was right there on the play.

[Schmidty]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Another unsportsmanlike penalty for the Ravens.

Losers.

[TroyF]

What a horrible call in the Falcons/Pats game. I can respect officials are human and they make mistakes. I understand that sometimes things happen. But that call was inexcuseable.

After the game, the ref should be suspended without pay for the next month. The only way you can miss that call is if you are on drugs. One month for a player, one month for a ref.

[DeToxRox]

lol this is amazing to see.

Now 1 penalty away from the record.

[jeff061]

As usual, the Patriots have the officiating crew in their pocket.

You know people who wait all game for a single missed call to say this are REALLY cool.

Or they suck, I forget. Take your attitude with any team in the league and you'll see the same things.

[ISiddiqui]

well let's see a definitive replay before we all bitch and moan. i couldn't tell from the angle they just showed. here we go as i type this...still a bad angle! can't tell. gotta trust the line judge who was right there on the play.What do you mean 'definitive replay'? It was totally clear on the replay they showed. Not even close.

[Schmidty]

COME ON RAVENS, YOU CAN DO IT!!!! ONLY ONE MORE PENALTY TO TIE THE RECORD!!!!!!!

[Eilim]

As usual, the Patriots have the officiating crew in their pocket.

Ok, I normally try to stay out of this sort of thing but...

Was that a bad call... yes. Patriots having refs in their pocket? Have you actually watched any of the pats games this year?

[INDalltheway]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Another unsportsmanlike penalty for the Ravens.

Losers.
Are they just mad because they are getting their ass' beat by the LIONS?

[Solecismic]

I think they screwed up twice. Once on the initial play, and that was inexcusable - there was a referee right there. And the second time by not allowing the challenge. No one's questioning that he went out of bounds, the challenge would be where he went out of bounds. I don't think the whistle was that quick.

[Schmidty]

Are they just mad because they are getting their ass' beat by the LIONS?

Um, shouldn't you be studying for exams son?

[HomerJSimpson]

Well, the Falcon shouldn't have put themselves in the situation where one play is so important, but it still just sucks that you get that bad a call at such an important situation.

[TroyF]

well let's see a definitive replay before we all bitch and moan. i couldn't tell from the angle they just showed. here we go as i type this...still a bad angle! can't tell. gotta trust the line judge who was right there on the play.


His foot was inside the HASHMARK. What angle do you need Daddy? If you are curious about the knee, the knee was down within inches of the marker, not four yards. The ref ruled the step on the edge of the damned hash mark was him stepping out of bounds. There is no excuse for missing a call that badly. NONE.

As for the Ravens game, I hope the NFL does some suspending there. If Blillick can't control that team, the organization should be made to pay in some way. How many late hits and unsportsmanlike calls is enough?

[jeff061]

Yeah, they'll still go down and score now.

[Schmidty]

TD Baltimore. Make no mistake, this game isn't over. We're talking about the Lions here.

[DaddyTorgo]

What do you mean 'definitive replay'? It was totally clear on the replay they showed. Not even close.
okay, maybe it was. my eyes are tired, i've been up since 5:30 am and i JUST got in from work and that was literally the first play i've payed attention to. my bad if it was clear.

[Fonzie]

According to Lock of the Day:

Chicago Bears +3

Today we're going with the Bears. They're a much better team than the Browns, and will prove it today. Cleveland's sluggish offense will have trouble scoring points on the highly-ranked Bears defense (4th overall). Kyle Orton has had a week off to review his mistakes and Cedric Benson will be seeing more time to keep fresh legs in the backfield. Chicago's D will keep them in this game the entire time, while their offense should indeed wake up in Cleveland (Browns 30th overall D). The Bears +3? What a LOCK!
Heh.

[TroyF]

Oh, and no, I don't think the refs are in the Pats pockets. That was just a horrible call. It could have just as easily went to the other team.

[Tekneek]

You know people who wait all game for a single missed call to say this are REALLY cool.

Or they suck, I forget. Take your attitude with any team in the league and you'll see the same things.

I've mentioned a lot more than today and more often than just after that call. The Patriots routinely get away with a little bit more than most teams. I know it is the equivalent of when Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux used to get strikes that were off of home plate. The Patriots have a reputation for being great, so they usually get a bit more rope than other teams. I'm not the only person that has said it and I won't be the last.

[ISiddiqui]

Heh.LOL, that was great!

[Schmidty]

People are actually watching the Atlanta Vicks/ New England Bradys game instead of the Lions/Ravens???? Come on now. ;)

[Eilim]

Oh, and no, I don't think the refs are in the Pats pockets. That was just a horrible call. It could have just as easily went to the other team.

I'm a total patriots fanboy, and I started laughing when they made that call it was so bad. On the replay I thought maybe they were looking at the knee and we'd have a 4th and inches, which they'd go for and get. When I saw they were saying 4th and 4.. Well, I just went back to laughing. :)

[HomerJSimpson]

People are actually watching the Atlanta Vicks/ New England Bradys game instead of the Lions/Ravens???? Come on now. ;)


Is it the Atlanta Vicks when Vick isn't even playing?

[jeff061]

And everyone of you who do say it is full of crap. You have your opinion I have mine. Over the last couple years I have seen more than enough BS calls go against NE. It all balances out in the end. Just like it does for every other team.

I've mentioned a lot more than today and more often than just after that call

I know thats my point. You wait all game to say just that. You could do the same for any team in the league.

P.S. The Patriots defense is awful.

[ISiddiqui]

I'm not entirely sure how the Falcons are in this game with the injuries on the defense and Vick... but I won't complain. :D

[st.cronin]

Pats should just blitz 8 every play. Those dbs can't cover anybody even with help.

[Tekneek]

Ok, I normally try to stay out of this sort of thing but...

Was that a bad call... yes. Patriots having refs in their pocket? Have you actually watched any of the pats games this year?

I only watched the game against San Diego. That was definitely a lot different. I've seen them get away with a lot over the past few seasons that seem to get flagged when other teams do it. It is just one of the perks you get for being the top dog in the league. Everybody knows some of that happens.

[ISiddiqui]

TD FALCONS!

[Schmidty]

TD LIONS!

[Buccaneer]

WTF was that call by the Bucs at the end???

[HomerJSimpson]

Falcons need this two.

[hukarez]

Why is Vincent Price on the sideline? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Honolulu_Blue]

WOW!

Shaun Bryson! Where the hell did that come from?!?!

[INDalltheway]

1 carry 77 yards and a TD is a decent line...

[Schmidty]

I can't believe Detroit has scored 35 points on the Ravens defense.

Oh wait, yeah I can - 21 penalties by the Ravings.

[Easy Mac]

If they overturn this TD, they're definitely cheating for the Patriots more than the umps are for the Astros versus the Braves (and thats a lot).

[Schmidty]

Is it the Atlanta Vicks when Vick isn't even playing?

I have no idea. I could care less about Atlanta.

[TroyF]

How can you not challenge this call? You were going to spend a TO anyway, why don't you just use the challenge? If you lose it's the same thing. If you challenge now and lose, you lose another TO?

Is Belli just losing it guys?

[HomerJSimpson]

TIE GAME!!!!!

[ISiddiqui]

2 PT GOOD! Tied at 28!!

[st.cronin]

oy

I don't think I've seen two worse secondaries than the Flagons and the Prats.

[ISiddiqui]

How can you not challenge this call? You were going to spend a TO anyway, why don't you just use the challenge? If you lose it's the same thing. If you challenge now and lose, you lose another TO?

Is Belli just losing it guys?I thought that was strange as well. Really dumb decision by Bellichek.

[Tekneek]

If they overturn this TD, they're definitely cheating for the Patriots more than the umps are for the Astros versus the Braves (and thats a lot).


Hahah.

[st.cronin]

How can you not challenge this call? You were going to spend a TO anyway, why don't you just use the challenge? If you lose it's the same thing. If you challenge now and lose, you lose another TO?

Is Belli just losing it guys?

That was odd. Plus his 'prevent injury' rating seems to have gone to hell.

[jeff061]

Well he could want to preserve the flag. I wouldn't of called a TO though.

[jeff061]

That was odd. Plus his 'prevent injury' rating seems to have gone to hell.

It's always been in the poor range.

[TroyF]

Well, time for the Tom Brady show. The only question is if the Pats will leave Atlanta anytime on the clock to have their shot.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well he could want to preserve the flag. I wouldn't of called a TO though.
that was just the dumbest thing ever. GODDAMN PENALTIES ON THE PATS O-LINE!!!

[jeff061]

Every play Brady makes someone does something stupid.

[HomerJSimpson]

The stripped shirts are trying to say they are sorry.

[st.cronin]

*slamming head against desk after another penalty*

[jeff061]

The stripped shirts are trying to say they are sorry.

Yeah, cause that's the first time that has happened all game.

[TroyF]

Well he could want to preserve the flag. I wouldn't of called a TO though.

Why? The Pats haven't challenged any call today. He has 2 left. Does he really think he'll need 2 in the next 1:40? (under 2, he's not the guy who can challenge)

I'm a little perplexed by that entire situation.

[Tekneek]

In all seriousness, this officiating crew needs to be fired. They are brutal.

[Schmidty]

Wow, Dre Bly rules.

2 Ints, 1 FF, 1 FR.

[TroyF]

3rd and 9 for the Niners on their first possession, Smith drops back to pass, fires a perfect strike to Johnny Morton. . . dropped ball. Ouch.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh so is that a call where the pats have the refs in their pocket too?? i suppose that wasn't a penalty...http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[HomerJSimpson]

Rossum, look up!

[Ben E Lou]

I could care less about Atlanta.Really?

[cthomer5000]

The Jets win & FOX takes us to Cleveland/Chicago???
Yeah. I have no freakin idea what the thought process was there. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Schmidty]

Really?

Yep.

You're gonna tell me that you give two shits about any teams above the Mason-Dixon?

[Tekneek]

oh so is that a call where the pats have the refs in their pocket too?? i suppose that wasn't a penalty...http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Yeah...the fix is in.

[Ben E Lou]

Yep.

You're gonna tell me that you give two shits about any teams above the Mason-Dixon?No, I'm gonna tell you that you're not very good with your idioms.

[Tekneek]

Really?

I'm just wondering how much less he could care...

If that is even a proper sentence.

[HomerJSimpson]

That play should be the ballgame. With a first down, under two minutes, and in field goal range. This should be it.

[jeff061]

Why? The Pats haven't challenged any call today. He has 2 left. Does he really think he'll need 2 in the next 1:40? (under 2, he's not the guy who can challenge)

I'm a little perplexed by that entire situation.

Yeah. Belichek has been pretty poor with the red flag this year.

[Ben E Lou]

I'm just wondering how much less he could care...

If that is even a proper sentence.;)

[Schmidty]

No, I'm gonna tell you that you're not very good with your idioms.

Couldn't care less.

Is that better? If you'd like to have a linguistic showdown, I would be ever so happy to oblige.

[jeff061]

I hope they keep driving for the TD and don't settle for a FG like they did against Pitt.

[DeToxRox]

in the Wings game .. the linesmen got NAILED with the puck. Not football but still .. looked like the scene from the Lions game with a man down.

[st.cronin]

I wonder if it's possible if there's a rule that if you throw the challenge AFTER calling a timeout, and the call is overturned, you get the time out back? It doesn't seem likely, but I don't know the intricacies of the challenge.

[Ben E Lou]

Couldn't care less.

Is that better? If you'd like to have a linguistic showdown, I would be ever so happy to oblige.That would be interesting.

[Solecismic]

Brady is having one of the best games I've ever seen a quarterback put up.

With the exception of the Schaub run, the officials are doing okay today. That was a big call, though. No way the touchdown was going to be overturned. Not even worth a second look. Belichick probably had already moved on and called the time out to set the defense for the conversion.

Dillon hurt? Hopefully not serious. Zereoue is not exactly a feature back.

[Swaggs]

Looks like it will be another week of Brady/Vinatieri media-love.

[TroyF]

Wow, the annoucers in the Denver/Washington game just announced and showed the graphic of the Redskins starting offense before the opening kickoff. Not sure I've ever seen that one before.

Broncos starting two rookies at CB, Champ Bailey out again today.

[Karlifornia]

This Colts/Niners game has ugly written all over it. Ok, it's still 0-0, but that tackling is pathetic.

[st.cronin]

I hope they keep driving for the TD and don't settle for a FG like they did against Pitt.

A gambling man, eh?

[ISiddiqui]

Looks like it will be another week of Brady/Vinatieri media-love.Yep.. but very very game effort by the Falcons without Vick.

[Schmidty]

Yes it would. I'd be happy to compete in any such contest. If you would like my credentials, simply ask.

[jeff061]

A gambling man, eh?

hehe, no. I just prefer to get as close as possible, rather than settle for a 40 yarder.

[TroyF]

Redskins have a nice opening drive going. Convert two straight third downs. Then Brunell and Portis combine on a fumble without any contact and Denver recovers. Denver all at the Washington 43 for their first possession of the game.

[HomerJSimpson]

Is Billy "White Shoes" on the sideline?

[jeff061]

Why is Belicheck so happy. One man won this game for them and their defense was woeful.

[st.cronin]

That was a strange play! The Patriots rushed... well, basically nobody. They had three guys jumping up and down about 2 yards off the line of scrimmage.

[SirFozzie]

Tom Brady Done Dood It Again.

Wow. Just wow.

Good game by the Falcons though. Really good game

Just hope the $@*U@)$&@ Injuries STOP!

[Solecismic]

That was a strange play! The Patriots rushed... well, basically nobody. They had three guys jumping up and down about 2 yards off the line of scrimmage.

I think they call that a Cover-8.

[Schmidty]

Why is Belicheck so happy. One man won this game for them and their defense was woeful.

Perhaps it's because they won?

[TroyF]

WOW, what a move Tatum Bell just put on in the Denver game. 4rth and 1 from the 33 yard line. Denver goes for it and calls the fake inside, pitch outside. Skins had it read perfectly. guy steps up to make a tackle and Bell just torches him. runs 33 for a TD. Denver 7 Redskins 0.

[Karlifornia]

Why do teams run on 2nd down & 1? Go for the deep ball and save the run for 3rd down if it doesn't work!

[jeff061]

I think they need a new conditioning coach or something. It's getting plain old silly.

Hopefully Seymour is not out to long, and it seems Poole and Gaye are on the verge of returning.

[jeff061]

Perhaps it's because they won?

Belicheck usually only looks that happy in championship games.

[Schmidty]

For Lions fans: Joey was terrible yet again today, yet the Lions won. Should he get another free pass from Mooch? I really hope they aren't satisfied with him, nor do I hope that they are waiting patiently for Garcia to get better and save the day in a few weeks. I truly feel that they should start giving Orlovsky more time with the 1st team offense during practice and begin to consider him as the eventual starter. He has something Joey has never had: Balls.

[TroyF]

Why do teams run on 2nd down & 1? Go for the deep ball and save the run for 3rd down if it doesn't work!

Because that only works a few times a year. You can't just do that over and over and over again. Teams will catch on and start blitzing you and covering you deep. Your best bet is to take the first down most of the time and save the bombs for a couple of special occasions during the year.

[Ben E Lou]

Yes it would. I'd be happy to compete in any such contest. If you would like my credentials, simply ask.I'm sure I'd fall to your superior grammar and syntax, oh genius. Besides, I always tested lower in verbal skills than mathematical. ;)

[st.cronin]

For Lions fans: Joey was terrible yet again today, yet the Lions won. Should he get another free pass from Mooch? I really hope they aren't satisfied with him, nor do I hope that they are waiting patiently for Garcia to get better and save the day in a few weeks. I truly feel that they should start giving Orlovsky more time with the 1st team offense during practice and begin to consider him as the eventual starter. He has something Joey has never had: Balls.

Is Orlovsky the guy that played for Huskies of Yukon? I liked his game in college ... not sure how well it would translate to the nfl.

[DeToxRox]

For Lions fans: Joey was terrible yet again today, yet the Lions won. Should he get another free pass from Mooch? I really hope they aren't satisfied with him, nor do I hope that they are waiting patiently for Garcia to get better and save the day in a few weeks. I truly feel that they should start giving Orlovsky more time with the 1st team offense during practice and begin to consider him as the eventual starter. He has something Joey has never had: Balls.

I agree, give Orlovsky more reps with the first team so he can be ready for a chance to come in. We can't risk it considering we're in first now.

[DeToxRox]

Is Orlovsky the guy that played for Huskies of Yukon? I liked his game in college ... not sure how well it would translate to the nfl.

Indeed.

[gstelmack]

There's a highlight we'll see over and over tonight. Daniel Graham on an amazing catch and run immediately after the announcers point out New England TEs have just one touchdown this season.
I dropped Daniel Graham in my Yahoo league this past week http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

[st.cronin]

Indeed.

Bret Basanez of Northwestern reminds me of him. Not the best arm in the world, but cooler than James Dean. Definitely the kind of guy you want making decisions on the field. Sort of the opposite of Joey Harrington.

[TazFTW]

How 'bout them Cowboys!


Cowboys 14-0.

[Schmidty]

I'm sure I'd fall to your superior grammar and syntax, oh genius. Besides, I always tested lower in verbal skills than mathematical. ;)

Meh, I'm not perfect by any means. I'm sure you'd kill me in mathematics. :)

I majored in English and was Lead English Tutor (in the Learning Center) for 8 years at Kalamazoo College (1993-2001) before moving to Grand Rapids, so I get a little defensive when my grammar and such gets critiqued on the internet. That probably shows a deep-seated insecurity of mine to the world. Oh well. :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Anyone else having trouble connection to NFL.com?

[Schmidty]

Bret Basanez of Northwestern reminds me of him. Not the best arm in the world, but cooler than James Dean. Definitely the kind of guy you want making decisions on the field. Sort of the opposite of Joey Harrington.


Exactly. Orlovsky seems to actually want it. Joey just seems to be along for the ride.

[st.cronin]

Terry Glenn is on a pace for 40 catches and 752 yards.

[timmynausea]

Terry Glenn is on a pace for 40 catches and 752 yards.

That'd be quite a game.

[Karlifornia]

Edgerrin James fumbles on the goal line..being reviewed....

[cthomer5000]

Dungy needs to challenge the call in the Indy game. There are two possible good outcomes: Either it's a touchdown for E.James of the 49er guy could have also recovered the ball outside the goal line and brought it back into the endzone - which would be a safety. So it's better than the usua challenge becasue there are two ways to win it.

edit: good, he is challengeing it.

[INDalltheway]

It's gonna be a TD...

[st.cronin]

The Eagles are NOT going to win today. The Boys are just beating up on them at every matchup.

[Buccaneer]

Meh, I'm not perfect by any means. I'm sure you'd kill me in mathematics. :)

I majored in English and was Lead English Tutor (in the Learning Center) for 8 years at Kalamazoo College (1993-2001) before moving to Grand Rapids, so I get a little defensive when my grammar and such gets critiqued on the internet. That probably shows a deep-seated insecurity of mine to the world. Oh well. :)
Schmidty, you don't challenge SkyDog on a day when the Atlanta Vickons loses.

[cthomer5000]

It's gonna be a TD...
nope. horrible call by the refs. HORRIBLE. There really is obvious video evidence showing him hitting the goal line with the ball.

[INDalltheway]

Or we are going to try to keep the score closer so maybe a story could be made out of Alex Smith's first NFL start... Gotta love the NFL.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, you don't challenge SkyDog on a day when the Atlanta Vickons loses.

My bad. I can sympathize since I'm a Lion fan.

I should have been nicer; after all, it's not as if he's a Wolverine fan.

[dubb93]

Or we are going to try to keep the score closer so maybe a story could be made out of Alex Smith's first NFL start... Gotta love the NFL.

Yea, terrible call, but I'm sure they wouldn't send an all-star crew to a game that was already over when the schedule was made.

[Desnudo]

Reading the recap doesn't excite me about the Pats' chances against Indy.

"Atlanta (3-2) tied the game at 28 when Schaub threw a 14-yard scoring pass to Dez White with 3:52 remaining, then went to Brian Finneran for a 2-point conversion."

I mean, if the Pats' nobodies can't stop their nobodies, they're in trouble once they play somebody.

[TroyF]

Plummer hits Lelie for a 5 yard TD. So far, neither defense can stop the two offenses. the Washington fumble really cost them. Star of the game thus far has been Tatum Bell. 4 carries, 50 yards, 1TD. QB's are a combined 15-19 for 152 and 2 TD in freezing rain.

[INDalltheway]

Alex Smith, I am sorry to inform you that this isn't the Colts' defense of years past...

[TroyF]

Alex Smith, I am sorry to inform you that this isn't the Colts' defense of years past...


Alex would probably struggle and make a few misreads against the worst defense in the league. His first start, tough defense, it's not going to end pretty.

That said, what a great little run by Gore.

[Karlifornia]

Just keep playing Smith this season, and the Niners can get Reggie Bush or some help on the offensive line...or defensive line..or secondary...basically anything.

[Karlifornia]

"You must make a football move"

I think this is veering close to overused territory

[INDalltheway]

Just keep playing Smith this season, and the Niners can get Reggie Bush or some help on the offensive line...or defensive line..or secondary...basically anything.
The growing pains suck, but it is the only way he will get better. I remember watching Manning struggle, but the game expierence excellerated his development.

[st.cronin]

What the hell is wrong with Philly today? The way they're playing, they'd have trouble beating USC.

[TroyF]

This just in. . . Boldin and Fitzgerald are damned good WR. It's only a matter of time before the Cardinals become respectable.

Yes, I realize what I just wrote.

[Schmidty]

This just in. . . Boldin and Fitzgerald are damned good WR. It's only a matter of time before the Cardinals become respectable.

Yes, I realize what I just wrote.

Yep, because good WRs make a team respectable. Just tell that to Detroit.....

[Karlifornia]

I haven't watched much Lions football, but does anyone believe that their WR's are anything more than talented at this point, rather than proven commodities? Or is it all Joey "97 passing yards" Harrington's fault?

[miami_fan]

The growing pains suck, but it is the only way he will get better. I remember watching Manning struggle, but the game expierence excellerated his development.

Just like it did for David Carr right?

Sorry. All week long I have heard the comparison to Peyton while a complete ignorance of the other QBs who were thrown in early and failed.

[jeff061]

I'm not sure what the point is. He's going to struggle, most QB's do whether they turn out good or bad. The ones who don't generally have a good supporting cast. So why argue about it during his 1st game?

[ISiddiqui]

Just like it did for David Carr right?

Sorry. All week long I have heard the comparison to Peyton while a complete ignorance of the other QBs who were thrown in early and failed.Well Carr has that whole wet paper towel for an offensive line thing.

[TroyF]

Yep, because good WRs make a team respectable. Just tell that to Detroit.....

Big difference. . . the Cardinal receivers are making plays. Plays all over the field.

One of em already has a 100 catch season under his belt. the other had a solid rookie year and is on his wasy to 100 this year. The Lions have one guy who had a solid rookie year, 1 guy who hasn't been healthy for more than 3 consecutive games in his career and a rookie who is getting about 1 catch a game.

If the Detroit guys develop, they'll eventually be good. That much talent at the skill positions will keep you in games. I think the Cardinals two are just about there right now.

[TroyF]

I'm just about ready to give up on Carr, even with the offensive line. He's just not making good decisions, even when he has time. By now, we should see some "slivers" of greatness. With Carr that seems to be missing.

We can get into the "how do we develop a great QB" debate all day. There have been cases where guys have succeeded each way. There have been cases where guys have busted each way. Depends on the player, depends on the situation.

[miami_fan]

I'm just about ready to give up on Carr, even with the offensive line. He's just not making good decisions, even when he has time. By now, we should see some "slivers" of greatness. With Carr that seems to be missing.

We can get into the "how do we develop a great QB" debate all day. There have been cases where guys have succeeded each way. There have been cases where guys have busted each way. Depends on the player, depends on the situation.

Carr will get at least one more season due to the pending coaching change

BTW The Cowboys is absolutely torching the Eagles

[TroyF]

Carr will get at least one more season due to the pending coaching change

BTW The Cowboys is absolutely torching the Eagles


Oh, he'll probably get two more chances. Once with a coaching change, once with a different team. His size, strength, arm, toughness. . . they'll all impress a coach or two to give him a shot. I'm just not sure he'll ever succeed. But it's better than Harrington, who we know isn't going to succeed at this point.

[miami_fan]

OK. You're the new coach in Houston. You have the #1 overall pick. Do you take Leinart or start the bidding war?

I think you start the bidding war. Not because I am convinced that Carr is the answer but because I know I need an O-line, Defensive front changes if I am not going with the 3-4, etc.

[cthomer5000]

OK. You're the new coach in Houston. You have the #1 overall pick. Do you take Leinart or start the bidding war?
Bidding war. they have serious o-line issues, and really need to adress that first. If you can trade down for 2 1st rounders, you spend them both on lineman.

[st.cronin]

OK. You're the new coach in Houston. You have the #1 overall pick. Do you take Leinart or start the bidding war?

Start the bidding war. Depending on who comes out early, there's quite a few QBs likely coming out of college that I think *could* be good. Leinart is obviously the best, but if you want a QB there's also Young, Shockley, Croyle, the Vanderbilt kid, potentially Quinn, etc. Obviously Leinart will be the class of the QBs, but he's by no means a sure thing.

[TroyF]

OK. You're the new coach in Houston. You have the #1 overall pick. Do you take Leinart or start the bidding war?


It all depends on how me and my scouts rate Leinhart. If he's truly rated as high as Manning was (and that happens about once a decade), you can't pass him up. You make a trade, but it's one that involves Carr, not the #1 pick.

If you have questions about Leinhart or my scouts think he's a very good, but not great QB, you deal the pick.

[Ben E Lou]

Schmidty, you don't challenge SkyDog on a day when the Atlanta Vickons loses.This loss doesn't bother me one bit, fyi.

[Neuqua]

Who was considered the better prospect in college, Leinart or Palmer?

[sabotai]

Houston has problems that drafting Leinhart won't solve. Trade down, get a few good picks and start plugging holes.

[Schmidty]

This loss doesn't bother me one bit, fyi.

I know what you mean. I don't mind when they lose either. ;)