Who wins tonight Angels or Yankees?

[jbmagic]

Who wins tonight Angels or Yankees?


i think the Angels Ace pitcher will step up and win at home tonight.

[Ksyrup]

Hoping the Angels, but knowing in my heart it will be the Yankees. And already getting pissed about it.

[Anthony]

hopefully the angels win, so this damn dynasty can officially be over with, and the yankees will have a $200million piece of crap team on their hands with like 15 players over the age of 30 and no farm system.

[gottimd]

hopefully the angels win, so this damn dynasty can officially be over with, and the yankees will have a $200million piece of crap team on their hands with like 15 players over the age of 30 and no farm system.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

[stevew]

hopefully the angels win, so this damn dynasty can officially be over with, and the yankees will have a $200million piece of crap team on their hands with like 15 players over the age of 30 and no farm system.

Sounds like the RWBL Diamondbacks. :D

I hope the Yankees win.

[Ryan S]

Yankees

[Butter]

Halos.

[JasonC23]

As a White Sox fan, I'm torn. I want the Angels to win because I can't stand the thought of having to hear Buck and McCarver fellate the Yankees endlessly. But I want the Yankees to win because, in my opinion, the White Sox match up better with the Yankees and have a better chance of beating them. But I want the Angels to win because the thought of wanting the Yankees to win makes me physically ill. But I want the Yankees to win because that way, if the Sox lose the ALCS, I can say, "Well, hey, it was the Yankees." But I want the Angels to win because that way, if the Sox lose the ALCS, it was to a team other than the damn Yankees.

So in the end, I'm rooting for a really long game that leaves its winning participant so spent that the Sox can take games 1 and 2 at home.

[Cringer]

The White Sox win tonight, because the winner has to fly to Chicago tonight and play tomorrow with not even a days rest. White Sox need to take advantage of this little extra bit of help by the scheduling of this crap.

[pennywisesb]

hopefully the angels win, so this damn dynasty can officially be over with, and the yankees will have a $200million piece of crap team on their hands with like 15 players over the age of 30 and no farm system.

This almost brought a tear to my eye. I really couldn't have said it better myself. As a life-long A's fan, I guess its the lesser of two evils here, and eventhough I hate to say it, Go Halos!

[SFL Cat]

Bigfoot!!! Oh wait! Wrong thread.

[Raiders Army]

Neither. I hope they both lose.

[Recoil]

If the Yankees win tonight, I think I'm gonna puke.

I'm rooting for the White Sox to win the WS from here on out.

[Anthony]

i'm rooting for the Astros. let Biggio and Bagwell win one.

[heybrad]

I'm an Angels fan and want them to win, but Colon has not exactly done well against the Yankees this season.

[Anthony]

fortunately Mussina is about as opposite a big game pitcher as you can get.

[st.cronin]

If the Yanks win I won't watch a minute of the ALCS.

[Critch]

Heart says Angels, head says Yankees. Spleen has no opinion.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe there will be a big fight and everyone will be ejected. Thus, everyone loses.

[jbmagic]

damn

colon injure in 2nd inning. rookie Santana is in for the Angles. he gives up 2 runs in the 2nd.

2-0 Yankees

[Anthony]

go Garret Anderson!!! take down the empire!

[Eaglesfan27]

Bad play by Crosby and Sheffield.

[Ksyrup]

ARod for ALDS MVP!

[Warhammer]

Damn, beat me to it!

[Warhammer]

You know what, isn't this yet another season where he performed badly in the playoffs after a good regular season?

[Ksyrup]

I wish I hadn't posted it yet, though.

[Ksyrup]

Fuck me running!

[Scoobz0202]

If they win Ksyrup.. You die.

[Warhammer]

It's all your fault! Yet, you can take the blame that would have been mine had you not posted first... Nevermind.

[cthomer5000]

woot! it's over bitches!

[Ksyrup]

WOO-HOO!

[kingfc22]

Woot!!! No more Yankees. :D:D:D

[Warhammer]

WOO HOO!

ANGELS WIN! ANGELS WIN! ANGELS WIN!

[kingfc22]

Spend $300M next year jackass.

[Anthony]

"It's the end of a [dynasty] as we know it
and i feel fine"

[Ksyrup]

I'd say about the only people safe on the Yankees right now are Jeter and Cano. Otherwise, Georgie has bullseyes on the asses of everyone else.

[ISiddiqui]

Eh... I think A-Rod is pretty safe. No one else is going to take him on and George won't cut him.

[Ksyrup]

Now, who do I root for in the ALCS? The White Sox would seem to be the logical choice, especially on the heels of what the Red Sox did last year, but the difference is, the Red Sox had a long, tortured record of post-season failures. The White Sox haven't won for decades, but they've just plain sucked. It feels different, and I don't know if I feel compelled to root for them out of the same sense of sympathy that I felt for the Red Sox. It's like rooting for the LA Clippers or Seattle Seahawks or something.

[Anthony]

Returning Yankees:

Arod
Jeter
Randy Johnson (no team can afford to take on a 54 year old SP making $100million a year)
Cano (to the bench)
Giambi (no team can afford to take on a 30 something farce making $50million a year who's half as good when he's not on the juice)

[Ksyrup]

Eh... I think A-Rod is pretty safe. No one else is going to take him on and George won't cut him.
Well, I don't mean I think he's going to trash the entire team, but ARod and some others are certainly going to have an uncomfortable off-season. They're stuck with a few of these guys for at least another year or two, right? Mussina, Johnson, Posada, Sheffield, Giambi, and of course Wright and Pavano. Either they've got to have a fire sale and decide to completely start over, or they stick with pretty much the same team, revamp the outfield, and pray Wright, Pavano, Johnson and Mussina can make it one more year.

[Chief Rum]

On behalf of the Angels to non-New York America...

YOU'RE WELCOME!!!

[Anthony]

the thing is - they won't ever win as long as Mussina and Arod are on the team.

they haven't won a WS since Mussina has been on the team. he's not a good pitcher. very unreliable. Arod is not a winner. he's the Patrick Ewing of baseball - great individual stats, horrible luck when it comes to winning.

[DaddyTorgo]

thank you angels!

[Chief Rum]

You know who I really feel for? Tim McCarver. Whose butt's left for him to kiss now?

That collective groan you just heard was the national sports media groaning and reaching for their media guides--they didn't think they would have to prepare for a (White)Sox-Halos series.

[Ksyrup]

Mussina is one of those guys whose career looks good, but he's never lived up to expectations. He's going to be a test case for this generation for the Hall of Fame. He could easily win between 250-275 games, and yet have never really had a truly dominant season. Maybe the closest he's come is his first full season.

[Ksyrup]

You know who I really feel for? Tim McCarver. Whose butt's left for him to kiss now?

That collective groan you just heard was the national sports media groaning and reaching for their media guides--they didn't think they would have to prepare for a (White)Sox-Halos series.
Fuck the ratings. I want a world series champ I can feel good about. Any one of the remaining 4 teams is OK with me.

[Warhammer]

Granted I'm an Angels fan, but I would love to see them win with small ball. I can't stand the current state of baseball which is get a man on, and wait for the HR. I loved watching the Angels move runners over, and then sacrifice or hit them in.

[Izulde]

Oi. The Angels scare me. I was hoping the Yankees would win because we can kick their asses. The LAAoA I'm not sure about.

[ISiddiqui]

Mussina is one of those guys whose career looks good, but he's never lived up to expectations. He's going to be a test case for this generation for the Hall of Fame. He could easily win between 250-275 games, and yet have never really had a truly dominant season. Maybe the closest he's come is his first full season.Well Moose has a career ERA+ of 125 so far, which is pretty good. That is better than Juan Marichal's, for one.

[Jon]

Granted I'm an Angels fan, but I would love to see them win with small ball. I can't stand the current state of baseball which is get a man on, and wait for the HR. I loved watching the Angels move runners over, and then sacrifice or hit them in.

I enjoy small ball too. That's how the Yankee teams of the late nineties won, with small ball. But, you should feel glad that the Angels can win any way they need too.

What particularly impressed me was that the Angels took advantage of the Yankee mistakes. A lot of teams don't seem to do that (in general) and they didn't take a lead for granted. They are a good team, and don't get enough coverage since they are on the West Coast.

[Ksyrup]

Well Moose has a career ERA+ of 125 so far, which is pretty good. That is better than Juan Marichal's, for one.
He's definitely an above-average pitcher, but that just makes him an even bigger mystery as to why he's never been truly dominant. It's like he's got high ratings, but a low ceiling.

[oykib]

I don't really trust Mussina in a big spot. After the Yanks put up two in the second, I was already dreading Mussina giving up a homerun. He's got a tendency to just blow up sometimes.

He's either great or terrible. That's actually a good thing during the regular season. but it's no good in the postseason.

[JasonC23]

While watching the game last night, I came to the conclusion that if the Angels beat the White Sox in the ALCS, I'd be sad, but if the Yankees beat the Sox in the ALCS, I'd be physically ill and pissed off beyond belief.

So even though the Sox will have a hell of a fight on their hands with the Angels...yay! :)

I'd like to hear Chief Rum's take on the ALCS, though, since my take as a White Sox fan is that these are basically the same team (good pitching, great defense, inconsistent hitting), but the Sox are better rested and have home field advantage, so I don't know, White Sox in 6?

Oh, and I'm trying to figure out a drinking game involving how many times Buck and McCarver bring up the Yankees and Red Sox even though they're not playing. Can anyone suggest ground rules?

[Warhammer]

Actually, if the Angels can take game 1, they might be in pretty good shape. For one, they may not be rested, but they have been playing in tight games. That will stand them in good stead compared to the White Sox who had a pretty easy time against Boston. Second, the Angels really had to manufacture runs against the Yankees, I'm not sure if the White Sox had to do that against Boston like they will need to against the Angels. Finally, if the White Sox get beat in game 1, they might think, "Here we go again!" since the Angels smacked them towards the end of the season when they played.

[Butter]

Oh, and I'm trying to figure out a drinking game involving how many times Buck and McCarver bring up the Yankees and Red Sox even though they're not playing. Can anyone suggest ground rules?

I think the words "A-Rod", "Jeter", and "Schilling" would have to be involved somewhere.

[JasonC23]

Actually, if the Angels can take game 1, they might be in pretty good shape. For one, they may not be rested, but they have been playing in tight games. That will stand them in good stead compared to the White Sox who had a pretty easy time against Boston. Second, the Angels really had to manufacture runs against the Yankees, I'm not sure if the White Sox had to do that against Boston like they will need to against the Angels. Finally, if the White Sox get beat in game 1, they might think, "Here we go again!" since the Angels smacked them towards the end of the season when they played.
:eek: I mean, I know they swept, but the White Sox needed an error by a normally sure-handed 2B in game 2 to come back, and then had to get out of a (self-inflicted) bases-loaded, no-out situation in game 3. They swept, but games 2 and 3 were tight.

[Warhammer]

I didn't realize game 2 was all that tight, I knew 3 was.

[JasonC23]

I think the words "A-Rod", "Jeter", and "Schilling" would have to be involved somewhere.
I'm thinking at this point that the greatest danger is if Buck or McCarver decides to start comparing last year's Red Sox (hadn't won since 1918) to the White Sox (haven't won since 1917). If they go that route (making up White Sox curses, etc), the drinking game could turn deadly...

[Kodos]

The Yankees are dead. Another successful season of MLB. No more attention required this year. :)

[Anthony]

so, when do the heads start rolling over in the Bronx?

[Ksyrup]

I think Cashman was going to walk away regardless of what happened this year, so he's as good as gone today, I would imagine. This will also make it easier to dump Torre for Pinella, if that's what Georgie wants. As far as players, I'm not sure what more they can do to get rid of some of these guys, so I think they'll have to cut bait on a couple but probably stick with most of the rest and have decisions to make on Matsui and Gordon, in terms of free agents.

I don't think they have the ability to make drastic changes, so they're likely stuck with the team they've got until they have better contract situations. If they resign Matsui and keep Sheffield, all they'll really need is a CF and a 1B. Every other position is pretty much taken, unless they add a Posada or Sheffield to a trade. As far as pitchers go, they're pretty much stuck with Johnson, Mussina, Wright, and Pavano. They could add some middle relievers to replace Sturtze/Gordon - maybe they'll go after Dan Kolb...

[rkmsuf]

I can't see them eating Torre's remaining money. Big mistake if they go for Pinella.

[Anthony]

is a a manager really necessary for a team that has $200million+ worth of (supposed) talent? i mean, you need two hands to count the number of All-Stars they have on that team, what more can a manager do to put them over the top? on paper they should be tossing 4 hit shutouts and scoring 15+ runs a game. what more do they have that a different manager can get different results? these guys are on the tail ends of their careers (well, for 80% of the team, that is). this isn't a motivation issue, it's just a bad assembly of players. managers are good for motivating and for helping players with high enough ceilings reach their potential, not for getting players in their mid to late 30's somehow turn back the clock.

[rkmsuf]

a manager can f*ck it up though. but I agree, a lot of it is just don't HURT the team.

[pennywisesb]

I'd like to hear Chief Rum's take on the ALCS, though, since my take as a White Sox fan is that these are basically the same team (good pitching, great defense, inconsistent hitting), but the Sox are better rested and have home field advantage, so I don't know, White Sox in 6?


Remember that the Angels pitching might be pretty good on paper, but with Colon and Washburn being injured they might be in trouble. Also, if they plan on moving Escobar back into the rotation he was worked pretty hard against the Yanks so he might be tired. Plus I'm not sold on Paul Byrd either. I'm not sure how well he'll do under such intense pressure.

The Sox are pretty much healthy and I'm having a hard time seeing this series go past 5 games unless the Angels "will" themselves a couple of games (which isn't too hard to fathom considering they probably play with the most heart of any team--this coming from an A's fan mind you).

[Ksyrup]

With that many egos - particularly if you insist on having a team with 6-8 "superstars" - you've got to have a decent manager. For managing the team, if not the game.

[oykib]

It's George's fault. He keeps listening to that damn Tampa contingent. Every move they make is idiotic. I don't think I've liked a single one. The only one that has worked out is Sheffield-- and even then Cashman already had Guerrero about to sign for almost the same money.

The pitchers they've signed have also been a disaster. I didn't like Pavano, Wright, Brown, or Johnson. Even with Johnson, you knew the age had to catch up to him. They don't seem to understand the concept that it's better to get rid of a guy a year early than a year late. Now, we've got an old team with a bunch of immovable contracts.

[DaddyTorgo]

in terms of what the yankees have to do in the offseason...i thought i remembered hearing somewhere that Matsui had already come out last year during the offseason or something and said he was not interested at all in resigning with the Yankees? Am I just making that up?

[oykib]

He wasn't interested in renegotiating withouttesting the free agent waters. But Matsui is the most valuable Yankee. So they'll definitely get him signed.

[JasonC23]

But Matsui is the most valuable Yankee.
:eek:

[oykib]

Moneywise he brings the most bang for the buck. If they lost him, I suppose they could pick up Kei Igawa or Daisuke Matsuzaka. But there's no telling how those guys would perform.

But the fact that Matsuis is one of the best Japanese ballplayers on a top makes the Yanks the most popular team in Japan by far. The amount of Japanese revenue the Yanks bring in has to greatly outstrip whatever they might wind up paying him. That's even before we appotion any value to what he does on the field.

Every other player's primary value comes from what they do on the field. A-Rod, for instance, may give the Yanks seventeen million dollars worth of value. But Matsui is probably worth more than double the nine million that they've been paying him up to now.