KC trying to hire Edwards as coach. Question.

[Rockstar]

Did they interview at least ONE non minority candidate?

[RPI-Fan]

Isn't Edwards a minority??

[ISiddiqui]

Isn't Edwards a minority??He said NON minority.

[Fonzie]

Isn't Edwards a minority??
I believe he asked about non-minority candidates.

I don't believe there is a requirement about such a thing.

[RPI-Fan]

Doh!

Well, does the subject line remind anyone of "Dwight" from The Office?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I don't believe there is a requirement about such a thing.
Hook, line, and sinker.

[Daimyo]

Did they interview at least ONE non minority candidate?
Didn't they interview their OC? What is the point of the question anyway?

[Fonzie]

What is the point of the question anyway?I'm pretty sure we can all see it coming.

[Rockstar]

The point is that Jerry Glanville didnt get an interview.

[Eaglesfan27]

Don't forget Rich Kotite. The man is a quality coach.

[kcchief19]

The NFL: Keeping the White Man in a Cowboy Hat Down

[sterlingice]

Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed ;)

SI

[Draft Dodger]

I know it's beside the point, but technically, they haven't interviewed a minority candidate yet either: they can't interview Edwards until compensation is agreed upon.

[Fonzie]

Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed ;)

SI
Thank heavens. Them whiteys need all the help they can get.

[kcchief19]

I know it's beside the point, but technically, they haven't interviewed a minority candidate yet either: they can't interview Edwards until compensation is agreed upon.I don't think the topic starter wants anyone bringing facts into this discussion.

[Scarecrow]

The Chiefs also interviewed Butch Davis (FWIW) http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Scarecrow]

DOLA...

It looks like the Chiefs won't be giving up that much!

According to Newsday (www.newsday.com/sports/fo...-headlines)...

There were strong signals that the compensation package for Edwards could consist of fourth- and fifth-round picks, although the Chiefs were said to be pushing for fifth- and sixth-rounders. But there also were indications Wednesday night that several options, including a contract extension for Edwards, remained on the table.

[Rockstar]

I don't think the topic starter wants anyone bringing facts into this discussion.


The topic starter welcomes all opinions. The kcchief19 has his/hers and I have mine.

[Draft Dodger]

I'm of the opinion that Matthew McConnaughy is smokin hot

[Rockstar]

I'm of the opinion that Matthew McConnaughy is smokin hot


Now THATS funny. :D

[Butter]

Doh!

Well, does the subject line remind anyone of "Dwight" from The Office?

:D

[Samdari]

Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed ;)

SI

I don't think its a token interview. Given the high number of openings, and paucity of candidates, Saunders is almost assured to get an NFL job. I think he is still more likely to be KC coach than Edwards, and is certainly their top candidate if Edwards remains in NY.

[Daimyo]

I would be interested in reading the argument for why teams should be required to interview a white candidate.

[rkmsuf]

The better question is why another NFL team would want Herm as coach.

[kcchief19]

The topic starter welcomes all opinions. The kcchief19 has his/hers and I have mine.There are opinions and there are facts. You find me ONE NFL head coach vacancy EVER where the only candidate(s) interviewed was/were miniority, and I'll stop defending the NFL's policy.

If we ever get to a point where that happens routinely, then you won't need the policy. That's the goal.

[General Mike]

Giving up a 4th and 5th rounder is too much compensation for Herm. Just because he is a nice guy doesn't mean he is a good coach.

[Rockstar]

There are opinions and there are facts. You find me ONE NFL head coach vacancy EVER where the only candidate(s) interviewed was/were miniority, and I'll stop defending the NFL's policy.

If we ever get to a point where that happens routinely, then you won't need the policy. That's the goal.

The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.

[GrantDawg]

The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.

What policy says they are only allowed to interview minority candidates?

[Rockstar]

What policy says they are only allowed to interview minority candidates?

The other poster wanted to know when there was ever an opening where there was ONLY minority candidates interviewed for the job. My only point is that interiews where race is even a factor is ridiculous. Nonetheless, I believe that team owners should be allowed to hire who ever they want to.

[GrantDawg]

The other poster wanted to know when there was ever an opening where there was ONLY minority candidates interviewed for the job. My only point is that interiews where race is even a factor is ridiculous. Nonetheless, I believe that team owners should be allowed to hire who ever they want to.
They are. What policy doesn't allow them to hire whom they want?

[Galaxy]

They are. What policy doesn't allow them to hire whom they want?

What he said.....Just because they have to interview a minority, doesn't mean they have to hire them.

[st.cronin]

The better question is why another NFL team would want Herm as coach.

ding ding ding winnah

[sterlingice]

ding ding ding winnahIsn't Edwards widely regarded as the worst clock manager in the NFL or am I thinking of someone else?

SI

[wade moore]

The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.
You, sir, have an inaccurate perspective on race relations in this country.

[Scarecrow]

DONE DEAL!!!!!! (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5225998)

Only cost KC a 4th round pick

[Raiders Army]

Every time I see this thread, I read it as KFC trying to hire Edwards as coach.

[rkmsuf]

DONE DEAL!!!!!! (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5225998)

Only cost KC a 4th round pick

Jets make out there.

Herm is a cheap imitation of Vermeil without the game managing skills or crying.

[GrantDawg]

Jets make out there.

Herm is a cheap imitation of Vermeil without the game managing skills or crying.

Maybe, but a fourth isn't a huge compensation.

[rkmsuf]

Maybe, but a fourth isn't a huge compensation.


Not at all but decent to get anything for a guy you didn't want coaching the team anyway.

[gottimd]

ninnys.

[rkmsuf]

post reported

[gottimd]

post reported
I reported a post once, when I went to prom.

ninny.

[General Mike]

I would have given KC a 4th rounder to take Herm Edwards. Couldn't have been any worse than any of Bradway's other trades.

The Jets won't hire a big time coach tho. They are too cheap.

[Cotton]

Pats fans are more upset about this than Jets fans, trust me.
Herm fails upward again.

[miked]

What are the digs on Herm? Always seemed like he got more out of the Jets than I thought he would. I mean, I guess we're at a point where leading a team to the playoffs for 60+% isn't good enough, especially when they probably weren't the most talented.

:shrug: I just don't know why everyone is so down on Edwards.

[sterlingice]

I'm not sure throwing around stats like 60% of the time in the playoffs. Neifi Perez started last year at .600, I think, but I'm not sure that merits saying he's a .600 hitter. Probably best to say 3 out of 5 years. Never mind 60%+ which makes it sound like he does it even more ;) That said, I'm curious to see Jets fans opinions on Herm Edwards, too.

SI

[rkmsuf]

What are the digs on Herm? Always seemed like he got more out of the Jets than I thought he would. I mean, I guess we're at a point where leading a team to the playoffs for 60+% isn't good enough, especially when they probably weren't the most talented.

:shrug: I just don't know why everyone is so down on Edwards.

because he's a lousy coach. listen to the guy. nothing more than a cheerleader out there shaking everyone's hand and hugging them.

I'll buy that he is a motivator of sorts but that stuff is crap in the pros. Cowher is the only one I've seen of that ilk last. he's the exception.

[Ryche]

I would have given KC a 4th rounder to take Herm Edwards. Couldn't have been any worse than any of Bradway's other trades.

The Jets won't hire a big time coach tho. They are too cheap.

Well, they could hire Mike Tice. He's from Long Island and will work cheap :D

[Daimyo]

Didn't he get the Jets to the playoffs three out of his four seasons there? Seems pretty good to me considering they shared a division with the Pats and it was the Jets.

[miked]

Yeah, he made the playoffs with a team that probably really wasn't as good as some that missed it. He always seemed to get more out of guys than one would think. I'm not all that keen on his gameplanning, or whatever you want to call it, but he had pretty decent success without an All-Pro cast.

[Logan]

What are the digs on Herm? Always seemed like he got more out of the Jets than I thought he would. I mean, I guess we're at a point where leading a team to the playoffs for 60+% isn't good enough, especially when they probably weren't the most talented.

:shrug: I just don't know why everyone is so down on Edwards.

I'm only 22 years old, so maybe I haven't watched as much football as others...but I have NEVER seen a coach (and can't imagine there ever being another coach) that is as bad at clock management as Edwards. It's just pathetic.

[Rockstar]

You, sir, have an inaccurate perspective on race relations in this country.

My perspective is just fine. You just dont agree with it. You want to bitch about perspective, go ask women how they get the shaft.

Try being a hippie with a beard. How many times do you think I got pulled over and had my vehicle searched for drugs?

Maybe trying for "white guilt" will work for you next time.

[Raiders Army]

My perspective is just fine. You just dont agree with it. You want to bitch about perspective, go ask women how they get the shaft.
Some women ask for the shaft...many times in one night.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, I've obliged them a few times as well. There were no complaints from the receiving end of the shaft.

[Raiders Army]

Double-dola, to answer your original question, they usually get the shaft in the vagina, but sometimes in the mouth and anus as well. Some women want the shaft in other cavities, but you can probably search on the internet for examples.

[Rockstar]

Some women ask for the shaft...many times in one night.

Oh, I set that up just perfectly. :D

[wade moore]

My perspective is just fine. You just dont agree with it. You want to bitch about perspective, go ask women how they get the shaft.

Try being a hippie with a beard. How many times do you think I got pulled over and had my vehicle searched for drugs?

Maybe trying for "white guilt" will work for you next time.
I don't know where you live, but in many places (many in the south) there isn't just some signs of racism, there is blatant racism.

I know there are those here that could probably speak to this better than me, but people who think racism is gone just have no perspective. I thought this before I went to college. I grew up in the DC Area where it is very diverse and there seems to be little to no racism.

However, when I came to college and met people from all over the country and heard their stories, saw how some of them acted, etc... Racism is alive and well.

Since I have opened my eyes I have seen it in my own extended family even. This concept that it is gone is just insane.

[Young Drachma]

I'm a Jets fan and I've always liked Herm. People give him a lot of crap, but I don't know who people would expect to come into this team, given how it was before he got there..and take them as far as they can. After all, they were a field goal away from the AFC title game last year. Not even Parcells took this team to a Super Bowl when he was here, so it has to be something else afoot in terms of the way ownership keeps running off coaches.

[Rockstar]

Racism exists. And its in all races.

[clintl]

But the effect has been disproportionate on some of them historically.

[Rockstar]

So..........we correct this problem by treating somebody unfairly??

[General Mike]

People say the Jets didnt have alot of talent, but they have had more than enough talent on defense, and they have had a good enough Offense to win.

For my money's worth Terry Bradway is the biggest problem in Jets land. Guy has no f'n clue.

[Daimyo]

So..........we correct this problem by treating somebody unfairly??
How does anyone get treated unfairly by a rule that requires teams to interview at least one minority candidate? They can still hire whoever they want and no non-minorities lose interviews or anything else.

[clintl]

I'm white, and I get really, really annoyed with other white people who invent "reverse discrimination" that does not exist. This rule is not, in any conceivable sense, reverse discrimination. It is a very modest, and wholly justifiable, attempt to reverse past patterns of real discrimination by NFL owners and GMs.

[Desnudo]

So..........we correct this problem by treating somebody unfairly??

No, you correct the problem with a rule when it's obvious the people aren't going to correct the problem without it. The only people being treated unfairly were valid minority candidates who never even got a chance to interview because of the NFL old boy network. Whether the rule is still necessary today is questionable, but at the time it was instituted it was necessary.

[Rockstar]

I'm white, and I get really, really annoyed with other white people who invent "reverse discrimination" that does not exist. This rule is not, in any conceivable sense, reverse discrimination. It is a very modest, and wholly justifiable, attempt to reverse past patterns of real discrimination by NFL owners and GMs.

Since when was discrimination different? OH...........only when a certain group is treated wrongly...........OK...............

[Rockstar]

How does anyone get treated unfairly by a rule that requires teams to interview at least one minority candidate? They can still hire whoever they want and no non-minorities lose interviews or anything else.


If your an owner of an NFL team and you already have conducted a search or just threw a dart at a board and picked who YOU want to coach your team, it is an insult to both parties to conduct a false interview just to say that you did it. Its unfair to ONLY require that at least one minority (which should be determined by economic level not racial makeup anyway....) candidate be interviewed. Thats how its unfair.

[Young Drachma]

If your an owner of an NFL team and you already have conducted a search or just threw a dart at a board and picked who YOU want to coach your team, it is an insult to both parties to conduct a false interview just to say that you did it. Its unfair to ONLY require that at least one minority (which should be determined by economic level not racial makeup anyway....) candidate be interviewed. Thats how its unfair.

Those "token" interviews get the person's name out there. How many times have teams interviewed someone hoping to get "Their guy" and then have another guy come in and wow them. These candidates don't HAVE to take the interviews and so, they're not be jerking around anymore than anyone else interviewing for a job they're unlikely to get.

[Rockstar]

No, you correct the problem with a rule when it's obvious the people aren't going to correct the problem without it. The only people being treated unfairly were valid minority candidates who never even got a chance to interview because of the NFL old boy network. Whether the rule is still necessary today is questionable, but at the time it was instituted it was necessary.
If the NFL wanted a rule that people would find easier to take, they should make the rule that you must interview at least TWO candidates from different racial makeups. That STILL would be as stupid of a rule as the one in place but would not coddle one group over another.
I've heard people justify affermitive action before by comparing it to a good old boy network. That on its face shows that AA is discrimination. The way the NFL rule now is set up tells everyone that if you are not a "minority" you will have to wait for a shot at a job you may be the most qualified for until at least one other person (who may be better or may be worse for the job) is interviewed for the sole purpose of saying that an owner did it.