Female Advice

[JustAnotherGuy]

Let me start out by saying I've read this board for years, but never posted. In that time I've come to have a high respect for the various viewpoints and opinions of the posters.

My problem is this, I've been with a girl for a little over 2 years now. Im 20 and she's 17. We had a little argument and broke up a month or so ago. Yet recently we've gotten back together and see each other in secret. During the time off it made us both realize just how great the other one was and we came back appreciating each other more than ever. This girl's mom does not want her to see me, not because I'm a bad guy, but rather because the mom has nothing better to do than live vicariously through her daughter and wants to be able to brag to her middle aged friends about who her daughter is dating, and I guess I just don't make that exciting of a story anymore. She threatens her daughter to not see me and stuff like that. I could understand if I was a bad guy or mean to her but I've always treated her so well. Her daughter loves me very much and I love her very much. I've always been a gentlemen to her and treated her above and beyond what most guys do for their girl. Anyway we're trying to figure out a way to break it to her mom without her getting in too much trouble, and not being able to see me ever again. Yes I do realize that we can't keep it secret forever. I was just wondering if maybe any of you guys have been in similar situations and have some sort of advice or helpful insight. Her and I have a really special connection and I don't want to lose that because of her mother. Any advice at all would be much appreciated and if u need more info just let me know,,,,Thanks!!

[st.cronin]

This should be fun.

[stevew]

What's the legal age of consent. Not sure you would want to piss mom off when you could get a statuatory rape charge. 18 and 15.....that's warning bells for a relationship right there.

[JustAnotherGuy]

I know,,,Its not really about that anyway. Its just one of those things where I met this girl when I was a little under 18, and we fell for each other. I always keep in mind, if I had a daughter how would I want the guy dating her to treat her. My intentions are perfectly honorable. I used to be pretty tight with the mom anyway, but she just got bored of me I guess.

[NoMyths]

Longtime lurker. With a relationship question for this crew. Right.

[Groundhog]

What's the legal age of consent. Not sure you would want to piss mom off when you could get a statuatory rape charge. 18 and 15.....that's warning bells for a relationship right there.

Indeed. Something to be very careful of.

[saldana]

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[MrBug708]

Why did you break up once?

[JustAnotherGuy]

It wasn't really a break up. It was just kind of one of those time apart things. We kind of just needed to take a step back and see what we wanted. Like I told her if she had some wildness in her system or needed to see what was out there it was best to do it now, and get it out of her system than always wonder if she's with the right guy. Basicaly she figured out most guys aren't respectful and are only trying to get one thing.

[stevew]

I'm interested as to what other people will say. 20 and 17 is a huge difference in levels of maturity and responsibility. If you have your own apartment, pay the bills, deal with the consequences of her, it's cool. If not, there's no real good that can come out of a 17 year old girl being in a committed relationship with a guy that's 3 years older than her.

[st.cronin]

I'm interested as to what other people will say.

I'm not much with relationship advice. I just know that Tom Brady is a better QB than Peyton Manning.

[stevew]

I'm not much with relationship advice. I just know that Tom Brady is a better QB than Peyton Manning.

So is big Ben.

[st.cronin]

So is big Ben.

I concur with the gentleman from the Amish paradise.

[JustAnotherGuy]

In a few months she'll be 18 anyway I guess. However, Is being 2 and a half years older than someone really that big of a difference in the grand scheme of things? I mean, I know a lot of couples around here who have much bigger age differences, such as 25 year olds dating high schoolers, which I do feel is extreme. However, around here its just kinda accepted I guess. Should I maybe write a letter to the mom and just say something along the lines of your daughter and I care for each other and would like to see one another every once in a while. The reason I ask is that yeah I do care about her and I want what is best for her, and if it really isn't in her best interest to be dating someone of my age than yeah I think we can wait a bit. However, we're really kind of at the same place in life right now, I live with my parents and goto college, so I'm not like out on my own. I also don't drink or do anything like that. Im a good kid. I have no problem with asking the mother's permission and if we can't get it waiting. It would hurt but I'd do it.

[stevew]

25 year olds dating high schoolers, which I do feel is extreme

Obligatory, "That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age" reference.

Make sure you don't knock her up, that's my main advice in all of this. I had a kid at 23, and it took us a long time to get to okay, if you want life to turn out like you hope, just make sure that you wrap it up.

[Franklinnoble]

Longtime lurker. With a relationship question for this crew. Right.

Yeah, I second the "bullshit" call here.

Can we get an IP check on aisle 4, please?

[JustAnotherGuy]

I've been here long enough to remember Horns Maniac and that whole fiasco. Was here quite a bit before that. Ive played since FOF 2001. I have been here a while. I remember Blackadar I believe or whoever used to run this board before Skydog. I just never really had an urge or time to sign up and take part.

[Passacaglia]

I've been here long enough to remember Horns Maniac and that whole fiasco. Was here quite a bit before that. Ive played since FOF 2001. I have been here a while. I remember Blackadar I believe or whoever used to run this board before Skydog. I just never really had an urge or time to sign up and take part.

It's not the longtime part that people dispute. I think what people don't believe is that this is your first time posting -- they think you're an established user with a different name.

[Anthony]

your life is pathetic if you need advice from anonymous strangers on an internet message board devoted to a text sim football game that is made by a ghostware company. i would contemplate suicide if i were you. it's memorial day weekend, and even i know you should not be living anymore. don't slash your wrists, it never works. just do it the right way and walk in front of an oncoming truck. you shouldn't be living anymore.

[st.cronin]

your life is pathetic if you need advice from anonymous strangers on an internet message board devoted to a text sim football game that is made by a ghostware company. i would contemplate suicide if i were you. it's memorial day weekend, and even i know you should not be living anymore. don't slash your wrists, it never works. just do it the right way and walk in front of an oncoming truck. you shouldn't be living anymore.

Yes, but what do you think of Ben Roethlisberger as compared to Peyton Manning? That's the important question.

[Eaglesfan27]

It doesn't matter that this girl is almost 18 now. You were 18 and she was 15 when you started dating. In most states, you face a real risk of statuatory rape charges (even if that wasn't what the relationship was about.) Mom can press those charges YEARS after the fact in most states, and therefore you are certainly still at risk for stuff you may have done a year or two ago. Therefore, you better be very careful about pissing her mom off, which might mean not seeing the girl...

[stevew]

Yes, but what do you think of Ben Roethlisberger as compared to Peyton Manning? That's the important question.

I think he likes Eli Manning.

[Anthony]

Yes, but what do you think of Ben Roethlisberger as compared to Peyton Manning? That's the important question.

Ben is a winner. i'm sorry, when Ben and Peyton are naked in a locker room after a long day of golf and Peyton is all "i tossed a record 49 touchdowns" Ben will stand there with (hopefully) a fat flacid penis and say "does this championship ring make me look fat? Ben is a winner. championships beat great individual stellar seasons. rock. paper. scissors.

[Anthony]

I think he likes Eli Manning.

Eli will take us to the promised land. Archie told me so.


ok, he didn't, but Eli is gonna be a good one. his RB's name is Tiki.

[st.cronin]

There should be more threads about Ben Roethlisberger's penis, and fewer threads about Brad Pitt's baby.

[Anthony]

Ben will always be A OK in my book. when i was in Vegas in '05 i had $10 in my pocket and i put it down on the Steelers to win on my wife's hunch. steelers started out like fags and i was like "well, it was only $10, not like the Steelers were gonna win a bleeping championship anyway just cuz i bet on them" and he stood up with his robust male genitalia - he literally stood up - and decided this was the year he was gonna make the Steerlers a winner. i won $110 cuz it was 10-1 odds and now i will spend that money in Vegas this year when i go with my friends June 14-19. i might spend that money on whores or booze or whores pouring booze on themselves.


ok, i'm married, so there won't be any whores in the cards for me, but there will be plenty of booze Goddammit.

[st.cronin]

Ben will always be A OK in my book. when i was in Vegas in '05 i had $10 in my pocket and i put it down on the Steelers to win on my wife's hunch. steelers started out like fags and i was like "well, it was only $10, not like the Steelers were gonna win a bleeping championship anyway just cuz i bet on them" and he stood up with his robust male genitalia - he literally stood up - and decided this was the year he was gonna make the Steerlers a winner. i won $110 cuz it was 10-1 odds and now i will spend that money in Vegas this year when i go with my friends June 14-19. i might spend that money on whores or booze or whores pouring booze on themselves.


ok, i'm married, so there won't be any whores in the cards for me, but there will be plenty of booze Goddammit.

I bet that Ben would kick Peyton's ass if they got into a fight. Actually, is there any NFL player that couldn't kick Peyton's ass in a fight? I bet Steve Smith would have Peyton crying like a little girl.

[stevew]

I bet that Ben would kick Peyton's ass if they got into a fight. Actually, is there any NFL player that couldn't kick Peyton's ass in a fight? I bet Steve Smith would have Peyton crying like a little girl.

Garo Yapremian?

[Anthony]

i have no feelings of ill-will against Peyton. this AFC championship was a predicament for me - root for Ben's manly package and win $110....OR cheer for Peyton (one of my favorite players in the NFL) and have him basically win the championship.

no matter what it was win-win. $110 goes a long way. that cash is waiting in my sock drawer as we speak to be spent on something sinful. i'm tempted to bet it on black as soon as i touch ground and try to turn that original $10 investment into $220. that would be the greatest investment of all time. don't tempt me, cuz i'll do it.

[st.cronin]

How many 5 year olds could Peyton Manning take?

[Anthony]

How many 5 year olds could Peyton Manning take?

27

[ahbrady]

I bet that Ben would kick Peyton's ass if they got into a fight. Actually, is there any NFL player that couldn't kick Peyton's ass in a fight? I bet Steve Smith would have Peyton crying like a little girl.

I'm not sure the Grammatica that got injured while celebrating a field goal could, but I bet it would be a good fight. I'm not sure kickers count as players though.

[st.cronin]

27

No way. Not more than 12.

[Anthony]

No way. Not more than 12.

stop it. he's a professional athlete, from a long lineage of athletes.



doesn't the word "lineage" make it sound more dramatic? still, it's 27. he lacks the ferocity of say, Warren Sapp, but, that's a golden right arm he's got. helluva cannon. i wouldn't want to be in the line of fire once he unleashes it.

[st.cronin]

stop it. he's a professional athlete, from a long lineage of athletes.



doesn't the word "lineage" make it sound more dramatic? still, it's 27. he lacks the ferocity of say, Warren Sapp, but, that's a golden right arm he's got. helluva cannon. i wouldn't want to be in the line of fire once he unleashes it.

He doesn't get to pelt the kids with footballs, and he doesn't get an offensive line. If he did, that might be different. 12 5 year olds, and Peyton will be running for his life.

[duckman]

Troy Aikman would destroy all those bitches.

[Groundhog]

Yes, but what do you think of Ben Roethlisberger as compared to Peyton Manning? That's the important question.

Peyton Manning is a much cooler name than Ben Roflburger. And at the end of the day, isn't that what really matters?

[Groundhog]

stop it. he's a professional athlete, from a long lineage of athletes.



doesn't the word "lineage" make it sound more dramatic? still, it's 27. he lacks the ferocity of say, Warren Sapp, but, that's a golden right arm he's got. helluva cannon. i wouldn't want to be in the line of fire once he unleashes it.

You know, I would pay good money to see Sapp take that particular challenge. My money would be on 10,000.

[stevew]

Troy Aikman would destroy all those bitches.
He of the umpteen concussions?

[stevew]

You know, I would pay good money to see Sapp take that particular challenge. My money would be on 10,000.

Sapp would get winded after the first 30 kids. First and foremost, these days he's a big fat fuck, so I doubt he has the stamina to last that long.

[Franklinnoble]

Why stop at Warren Sapp? Let's really unleash the fury, and turn someone truly crazy loose, like Dexter Manley in his cocaine-fueled prime...

[Groundhog]

Sapp would get winded after the first 30 kids. First and foremost, these days he's a big fat fuck, so I doubt he has the stamina to last that long.

Perhaps... but damn... that first 30... it would be a hell of a sight.

[duckman]

He of the umpteen concussions?

The man wrestled steers. One thing I have learn in this state is that you don't fuck with a man who wrestled steers. He'll fuck you up.

:p

[Franklinnoble]

Troy Aikman would destroy all those bitches.

http://www.oliverwillis.com/wp-content/Aikman2.gif

:D

[Anthony]

Sapp would get winded after the first 30 kids. First and foremost, these days he's a big fat fuck, so I doubt he has the stamina to last that long.

you would deficate in your pants if you were to be in the same room as Sapp. literally, feces would come out of your anus and be deposited into your underwear just from the very sight of such a man.

[stevew]

The man wrestled steers. One thing I have learn in this state is that you don't fuck with a man who wrestled steers. He'll fuck you up.

:p

Well, with steers taken, we know where Aikman fits according to the infamous stament about Texas.

[duckman]

http://www.oliverwillis.com/wp-content/Aikman2.gif

:D

Die. :mad:




















;)

[sterlingice]

He doesn't get to pelt the kids with footballs, and he doesn't get an offensive line. If he did, that might be different. 12 5 year olds, and Peyton will be running for his life.

There's a Bengals joke here or something.

SI

[Arctus]

Why stop at Warren Sapp? Let's really unleash the fury, and turn someone truly crazy loose, like Dexter Manley in his cocaine-fueled prime...

Would just Manley be coked up, or would the 5 year olds get to toot up also? Seems like it would be only fair to let the little ones enhance their performance too.

[Neon_Chaos]

my. how this thread has gone astray.



:)

[Franklinnoble]

Would just Manley be coked up, or would the 5 year olds get to toot up also? Seems like it would be only fair to let the little ones enhance their performance too.

Why? Were the 1987 Denver Broncos on coke? I doubt it.

Although, now that I think about it, it's probably pretty obvious where Timmy Smith picked up the habit. But I digress...

[Grammaticus]

I'm not much with relationship advice. I just know that Tom Brady is a better QB than Peyton Manning.
Not true, About the Manning Brady thing.

[MrBug708]

He of the umpteen concussions?

Eric Lindros is not happy

[Axxon]

your life is pathetic if you need advice from anonymous strangers on an internet message board devoted to a text sim football game that is made by a ghostware company. i would contemplate suicide if i were you. it's memorial day weekend, and even i know you should not be living anymore. don't slash your wrists, it never works. just do it the right way and walk in front of an oncoming truck. you shouldn't be living anymore.

Please, don't let the fact that you're not him hold you back.

Sorry, I don't mean that, I've got no beef with you but it was the first thing to come to mind when I saw your post. Given the nature of your post I'm sure you can appreciate it on an objective aesthetic level. You know, being from New York and all. ;)

[Axxon]

It doesn't matter that this girl is almost 18 now. You were 18 and she was 15 when you started dating. In most states, you face a real risk of statuatory rape charges (even if that wasn't what the relationship was about.) Mom can press those charges YEARS after the fact in most states, and therefore you are certainly still at risk for stuff you may have done a year or two ago. Therefore, you better be very careful about pissing her mom off, which might mean not seeing the girl...

Did I miss the part where he says they were having sex or is everyone jumping to conclusions? He didn't deny it exactly but I didn't see where he said it.

I'm just curious. Am I the only person who thinks it's possible for people that age to date and not have sex?

[mckerney]

No way. Not more than 12.

I think it'd be more. From his last game against the Lions he showed he can handle 11 five year olds without any trouble.

[stevew]

I'm just curious. Am I the only person who thinks it's possible for people that age to date and not have sex?

Quite possibly so.

[Axxon]

Quite possibly so.

I know and since I don't believe in absolutes it saddens me to see how easily people buy into self fulfilling beliefs such as this. Dooms them to repeat bad behavior if they feel that it's the only option. Know what I mean?

[sterlingice]

I'm just curious. Am I the only person who thinks it's possible for people that age to date and not have sex?

I was of that belief when I was that age and I'm still with you on that belief, too. But I think we're among a pretty small minority.

SI

[judicial clerk]

Dexter is a good choice, but how about anthony munoz in his prime. I don't know if there are enough 5 year olds in Ohio to take him out.

[LionsFan10]

What are the odds that this guy ever posts at FOFC again, after his (rather serious, I'm sure) thread got destroyed by Ben, Peyton & Tom talk?

Just curious ...

[RPI-Fan]

Did I miss the part where he says they were having sex or is everyone jumping to conclusions? He didn't deny it exactly but I didn't see where he said it.

I'm just curious. Am I the only person who thinks it's possible for people that age to date and not have sex?


I think the problem is that "did or didn't" doesn't really matter.

Having someone press charges on you is a pretty major thing, and fighting it even moreso.

Also, if anything ever goes wrong with you & this girl, she always has the rape card in her back pocket. Doesn't seem to be a great situation...

[duckman]

What are the odds that this guy ever posts at FOFC again, after his (rather serious, I'm sure) thread got destroyed by Ben, Peyton & Tom talk?

And Troy. Don't forget about Troy.

[digamma]

i have no feelings of ill-will against Peyton. this AFC championship was a predicament for me - root for Ben's manly package and win $110....OR cheer for Peyton (one of my favorite players in the NFL) and have him basically win the championship.

no matter what it was win-win. $110 goes a long way. that cash is waiting in my sock drawer as we speak to be spent on something sinful. i'm tempted to bet it on black as soon as i touch ground and try to turn that original $10 investment into $220. that would be the greatest investment of all time. don't tempt me, cuz i'll do it.

What would you have cheered for Peyton to do during the AFC Championship? Watch the game on television better than Eli or Tommy B.?

[Eaglesfan27]

I think the problem is that "did or didn't" doesn't really matter.

Having someone press charges on you is a pretty major thing, and fighting it even moreso.

Also, if anything ever goes wrong with you & this girl, she always has the rape card in her back pocket. Doesn't seem to be a great situation...

I was just about to post the same thing in response to Axxon. I've seen a kid who swears he never had sex with an underage girl go to jail because he pissed off the girl and the girl's mother never liked him. It was their word against his, and he lost.

[stevew]

I was just about to post the same thing in response to Axxon. I've seen a kid who swears he never had sex with an underage girl go to jail because he pissed off the girl and the girl's mother never liked him. It was their word against his, and he lost.


I'm pretty suprised you can get busted for that. I would have thought it would take some evidence like a pregnancy(which i would think would be the main thing that proves this) or a post-coital swab confirming the evidence. Or some used condoms or something.

[Axxon]

I'm pretty suprised you can get busted for that. I would have thought it would take some evidence like a pregnancy(which i would think would be the main thing that proves this) or a post-coital swab confirming the evidence. Or some used condoms or something.

And in this case, it's been over two years. I'm not sure how a he said, she said works with zero evidence and that long of a time gap in reporting it.

Also, lets also not forget that the response presumes that she's had sex with someone and just restates my question. Is it impossible to believe that someone at that age isn't having/hasn't had sex?

[Axxon]

I was just about to post the same thing in response to Axxon. I've seen a kid who swears he never had sex with an underage girl go to jail because he pissed off the girl and the girl's mother never liked him. It was their word against his, and he lost.

Actually, he states that he was tight with the mother but that she bored of him. :)

[st.cronin]

Not true, About the Manning Brady thing.

3 > 0

At any rate, you surely can't argue that Brady isn't a handsomer man than Peyton.

[JW]

Back to your original post, as the dad of a teenager, I suspect that you and your girlfriend are misinterpreting the cause of her mom's concern about you. Although her concern may be misplaced, I doubt it is for the reason stated.

You might first look at yourself through her mom's eyes and try to figure out the real concern she has about you. Then you might consider what you can do -- within reason -- to ease that concern.

Maybe, for example, she thinks you hurt her daughter emotionally durng the breakup. I also wonder what daughter might have told mom about you during the breakup.

I bet there is more to mom's concern than you think, and that the key is figuring out what her real problem is.

[Grammaticus]

3 > 0

At any rate, you surely can't argue that Brady isn't a handsomer man than Peyton.
So true, but Eli is handsomer than Brady.

[st.cronin]

So true, but Eli is handsomer than Brady.

Ok, Ricky Williams.

[Grammaticus]

Ok, Ricky Williams.
He definately smokes more pot.

[Franklinnoble]

Did I miss the memo where it said that it was OK to get gay over professional quarterbacks?

[Crim]

What are the odds that this guy ever posts at FOFC again, after his (rather serious, I'm sure) thread got destroyed by Ben, Peyton & Tom talk?

Just curious ...

How has this gone differently from any number of other "I Have a Relationship Problem I Need Advice About and I Trust FOFC's Opinions" threads? Sheesh, if yer gonna believe that he's really a first time poster, let's go all out and believe as well that he values our opinions -- about statutory rape, coked-up LBs, Maximum Vaporware, and trout. Or trouts. I'm not sure about pluralizing trout. Trite?

[Joe]

How has this gone differently from any number of other "I Have a Relationship Problem I Need Advice About and I Trust FOFC's Opinions" threads? Sheesh, if yer gonna believe that he's really a first time poster, let's go all out and believe as well that he values our opinions -- about statutory rape, coked-up LBs, Maximum Vaporware, and trout. Or trouts. I'm not sure about pluralizing trout. Trite?

the plural of trout is trout. trouts is also acceptable in some circles.

[st.cronin]

Did I miss the memo where it said that it was OK to get gay over professional quarterbacks?

It was actually not a "memo", it was a "mome". This is like a "meme" in that it is a made-up concept that doesn't describe anything real, but it differs in spelling.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I'm interested as to what other people will say. 20 and 17 is a huge difference in levels of maturity and responsibility.
Agree with that statement wholheartedly. The year from 17 to 18, or 18 to 19 (the whole first year out of HS, in college/working thing) is a HUGE jump in terms of maturity.

Other than that, I have nothing...except wondering who'd win in a fight between Peyton and that drunken, idiot kicker.

[Grammaticus]

I think Payton would win out of persistence alone. You know, he would out last him. The idiot kicker is just lazy.

[WVUFAN]

Speaking of kickers -- do any of you have any advice on how I can live with watching the Pats play the evil Colts and not cheer for Vinatieri? I'm heartbroken over this and I don't know how I can deal with it.

*sniff*

I ask you fine folks over in FoFC because I have a high respect for the various viewpoints and opinions of all the posters.

... except those damn liberals, but they like the Colts so they don't count. :)

[JeeberD]

I'm interested as to what other people will say. 20 and 17 is a huge difference in levels of maturity and responsibility. If you have your own apartment, pay the bills, deal with the consequences of her, it's cool. If not, there's no real good that can come out of a 17 year old girl being in a committed relationship with a guy that's 3 years older than her.

I don't necessarily agree with you. My fiancee' and I started dating when I was 22 and she was 17. It's been nearly seven years since our first date and we're better now than ever. Now, I'm not trying to say that it works out that way most of the time, because I know it doesn't, but the sweeping generalization that "there's no real good that can come out of a 17 year old girl being in a committed relationship with a guy that's 3 years older than her" is bullshit.


Well, with steers taken, we know where Aikman fits according to the infamous stament about Texas.

Troy's actually from Oklahoma. Blech...

[DeToxRox]

I'm 20 presently and I say if she's good enough for community college she's tolerable for me.