The Inevitable Thread... [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

st.cronin

07-07-2006, 11:31 AM

There was a deleted thread where he called Africans "animals" for practicing some arcane body alteration called "breast ironing". His point seemed to want to be "how can you destroy something as beautiful as breasts"... but what he actually seemed to say was "man, Africans sure are a bunch of dumb animals who need to be caged up". Oops.

That's an extremely generous characterization. It was a thread that would have made David Duke uncomfortable.

fantastic flying froggies

07-07-2006, 11:31 AM

I was gonna suggest 'lifetime achievement', but Daimyo beat me to it; :)

Be careful Daimyo, you could find yourself in HA's League of Extraordinary Douchebags soon... :p

Qwikshot

07-07-2006, 11:31 AM

ABORT! ABORT!

rkmsuf

07-07-2006, 11:32 AM

That's an extremely generous characterization. It was a thread that would have made David Duke uncomfortable.

I was thinking the same thing.

AZSpeechCoach

07-07-2006, 11:32 AM

I heard that SportsDigs reported HA's boxing three weeks ago.

Toddzilla

07-07-2006, 11:32 AM

Jeezus, why hasn't he been boxed, I mean seriously, like, perma-ban or something, gollygeewhiz, enough already.

Subby

07-07-2006, 11:33 AM

So how many boxings does it take before you get banned?

fantastic flying froggies

07-07-2006, 11:33 AM

I don't get it though.

Everybody knows HA is a racist, so why should he get boxed for it now?

st.cronin

07-07-2006, 11:35 AM

Jeezus, why hasn't he been boxed, I mean seriously, like, perma-ban or something, gollygeewhiz, enough already.

I definitely think this incident requires it, not that anybody cares about my opinion.

Qwikshot

07-07-2006, 11:35 AM

I don't get it though.

Everybody knows HA is a racist, so why should he get boxed for it now?

And is threatening to sandwiches everywhere...

QuikSand

07-07-2006, 11:38 AM

Hell Atlantic started a thread that, in my judgment and that of other moderators, was designed primarily to be inflammatory. It has since been deleted, and I am comfortable with the judgment made to do so -- it was having its intended effect, and was rapidly spiraling downward even in its first few minutes of life.

Whether one view this sort of thing as outside his normal character is perhaps open for debate -- but this particular offering was judged to be sufficient to trigger a boxing. This forum has been well served, in my view, by having that thread deleted, and by the decision to render its author speechless here for at least some period of time.

I hope that is a helpful response -- the opinions are just my own, not necesarily made on behalf of the moderators group or any larger view.

rkmsuf

07-07-2006, 11:40 AM

wow, he even got boxed by a member of the league of douchebags. double ouch.

fantastic flying froggies

07-07-2006, 11:40 AM

And is threatening to sandwiches everywhere...

yeah, that too! :D

Mustang

07-07-2006, 11:40 AM

Wow.. ironic post by me. I didn't even know there was a thread for breast ironing out there that was deleted causing HA to be boxed...

I was just joking around because I just read the cnn article 5 minutes before I posted that..

BrianD

07-07-2006, 11:41 AM

Hell Atlantic started a thread that, in my judgment and that of other moderators, was designed primarily to be inflammatory.

I think you just summed up most of his posts...

Toddzilla

07-07-2006, 11:44 AM

I think you just summed up most of his posts...Thanks. If he acts like a troll, and posts like a troll, and responds like a troll....

Bee

07-07-2006, 11:44 AM

I think you just summed up most of his posts...

Yes, but this time it sounds like he was much more successful than he normally is...

cthomer5000

07-07-2006, 11:45 AM

Thanks. If he acts like a troll, and posts like a troll, and responds like a troll....

Hey, be careful. He'll challenge your manhood when he gets back.

st.cronin

07-07-2006, 11:45 AM

Honestly, people talk about stuff being not work-safe, that was the first thread I've ever seen here that could actually get somebody fired for having it on-screen at work.

Subby

07-07-2006, 11:46 AM

HA has special protection here. Not sure why, but it's so obvious that he even brags about it. No one else would get this many boxings for trolling and still be here.

Butter

07-07-2006, 11:48 AM

That's an extremely generous characterization. It was a thread that would have made David Duke uncomfortable.

Yes, it is. It was far out of line to say the least. I stopped reading after something like 3 posts, so maybe it got worse. But the first post was certainly bad enough.

miked

07-07-2006, 11:58 AM

boxing AI is good.

it box people when they cause problems.

fantastic flying froggies

07-07-2006, 11:59 AM

boxing AI is good.

it box people when they cause problems.

please stop causing problems.

Schmidty

07-07-2006, 12:17 PM

HA has special protection here. Not sure why, but it's so obvious that he even brags about it. No one else would get this many boxings for trolling and still be here.

Yep. He should have been permanantly gone long ago, along with the likes of bragggggggadocius and mrs. skippy.

rkmsuf

07-07-2006, 12:18 PM

Stix would have banned him.

Franklinnoble

07-07-2006, 12:32 PM

HA has special protection here. Not sure why, but it's so obvious that he even brags about it. No one else would get this many boxings for trolling and still be here.

He amuses SkyDog.

John Galt

07-07-2006, 12:37 PM

Honestly, people talk about stuff being not work-safe, that was the first thread I've ever seen here that could actually get somebody fired for having it on-screen at work.

I think that's taking it a little far. I posted in the thread before it disappeared. While I thought HA's comments were horrible, I didn't even think it rose to the level of a boxing. But I guess I'm weird that way. I didn't see the same motivation to inflame that the moderators did - I just saw HA posting something idiotic. But I certainly understand their decision. But to say someone could get fired from having that thread (as opposed to various sexual ones on the board) seems over-the-top to me.

st.cronin

07-07-2006, 12:50 PM

I think that's taking it a little far. I posted in the thread before it disappeared. While I thought HA's comments were horrible, I didn't even think it rose to the level of a boxing. But I guess I'm weird that way. I didn't see the same motivation to inflame that the moderators did - I just saw HA posting something idiotic. But I certainly understand their decision. But to say someone could get fired from having that thread (as opposed to various sexual ones on the board) seems over-the-top to me.

We all have our own little personal backstories which color what alarms our sensibilities. I don't believe I've ever had a job where I was NOT exposed to pornography on a fairly regular basis, and also every job I've ever had I've worked with diverse crews - blacks, asians, jews, you name it. So something like this rings my bell quite a bit more than, say, that pic in the MaxiFoot thread of the naked girl with the video game covering up her naughty bits.

rkmsuf

07-07-2006, 12:52 PM

We all have our own little personal backstories which color what alarms our sensibilities. I don't believe I've ever had a job where I was NOT exposed to pornography on a fairly regular basis, and also every job I've ever had I've worked with diverse crews - blacks, asians, jews, you name it. So something like this rings my bell quite a bit more than, say, that pic in the MaxiFoot thread of the naked girl with the video game covering up her naughty bits.

cum again?

st.cronin

07-07-2006, 12:56 PM

cum again?

Last job - owner had posed naked for some magazine, had the pinup in her office
Job before that - working for a brewpub
Job before that - stockbroker
Job before that - in the military

KWhit

07-07-2006, 12:59 PM

Last job - owner had posed naked for some magazine

Was he cute?

Edit: So um... What job was that?

WSUCougar

07-07-2006, 12:59 PM

HA has special protection here.
I can't speak for the others, but he's got some wicked-ass pics of me getting a little too comfortable with a reuben on marble rye.

rkmsuf

07-07-2006, 12:59 PM

Last job - owner had posed naked for some magazine, had the pinup in her office
Job before that - working for a brewpub
Job before that - stockbroker
Job before that - in the military

shower commando?

st.cronin

07-07-2006, 01:01 PM

Was he cute?

Edit: So um... What job was that?

She was definitely not even remotely cute, or hittable, or even heterosexual for that matter, but she looked fairly good in the pics. She made food and restaurant supplies.

WSUCougar

07-07-2006, 01:04 PM

I hope that is a helpful response -- the opinions are just my own, not necesarily made on behalf of the moderators group or any larger view.
By the way, as a fellow mod involved in the discussion, let me go on record as concurring 100% with Quik's statements.

st.cronin

07-07-2006, 01:05 PM

shower commando?

I'd rather not talk about it.

flere-imsaho

07-07-2006, 01:14 PM

I saw sov was boxed as well. What's up with that?

rkmsuf

07-07-2006, 01:28 PM

I saw sov was boxed as well. What's up with that?

:eek:

missed that one.

do tell

Raiders Army

07-07-2006, 01:30 PM

What a time to go to work and not have internet access. I gotta get my FOFC drama news during lunch.

flere-imsaho

07-07-2006, 01:35 PM

Perhaps this: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1190250#post1190250

Draft Dodger

07-07-2006, 01:52 PM

Perhaps this: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1190250#post1190250

how gay is that?

sabotai

07-07-2006, 01:54 PM

how gay is that?

Tha'ts Liberace gay!

st.cronin

07-07-2006, 01:54 PM

gayer than Ozzie Guillen

flere-imsaho

07-07-2006, 02:04 PM

It is, perhaps, retarted.

rkmsuf

07-07-2006, 02:06 PM

Retarted, Sov's post count has been.

Subby

07-07-2006, 02:10 PM

Great line from a great movie.

The director's commentary on that scene was pretty funny. Phillips was saying that David Spade had said he went to see it and wasn't all that jazzed about it - then that scene came about and he knew he was in good hands. :)

Franklinnoble

07-07-2006, 02:27 PM

What movie?

pennywisesb

07-07-2006, 07:17 PM

What movie?
Oldschool

Raiders Army

07-07-2006, 07:45 PM

My opinion on name calling this week on FOFC is that there is zero tolerance for the traditional slams you called your buddies growing up. This is good in many ways as it will induce the community to come up with more creative ways to describe things and people. For example:

Someone is trolling. I can call them kangaroo rectal fluid. Or beetle jism. Or moldy monkey spunk. Or dirty ninja diahrrea.

As a result of this week, I predict everyone will be more creative in the future describing their lives.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2006, 09:00 PM

i go away for 2 weeks and i miss the first HA boxing of my lifetime?? dammit!

Toddzilla

07-07-2006, 09:07 PM

i go away for 2 weeks and i miss the first HA boxing of my lifetime?? dammit!Stick around - like the tides or the setting of the evening sun, it's bound to happen again if you pay a little attention ;)

Raiders Army

07-07-2006, 09:17 PM

i go away for 2 weeks and i miss the first HA boxing of my lifetime?? dammit!
You've been around since 2002; this wasn't the first HA boxing of your lifetime on FOFC.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2006, 09:22 PM

You've been around since 2002; this wasn't the first HA boxing of your lifetime on FOFC.

well technically i´ve been lurking since 2002 but i didn´t start posting till 04 or something like that. lost my password for my account and the email i set it up with back in 02 and never could get SD to send it to me for the longest time till finally for some reason he did.

so alright maybe not the first of my lifetime, or even the first of my posting lifetime, but the first in what seems like a long time

stevew

07-07-2006, 10:03 PM

well technically i´ve been lurking since 2002 but i didn´t start posting till 04 or something like that. lost my password for my account and the email i set it up with back in 02 and never could get SD to send it to me for the longest time till finally for some reason he did.

so alright maybe not the first of my lifetime, or even the first of my posting lifetime, but the first in what seems like a long time

You missed "Cowboy up"
.....see you in July?

That was last summer.

thealmighty

07-07-2006, 11:36 PM

If it was last July, maybe HA boxings are like the swallows of Capistrano or whatever...happens anually, same time each year.

MIJB#19

07-08-2006, 06:39 AM

If HA's boxing is just about generalizations and more specific 'racist talk', then I can only conclude that the 'rules' have drastically changed in two weeks time.

WSUCougar

07-08-2006, 09:38 AM

That conclusion is incorrect, Matthijs.

MIJB#19

07-08-2006, 10:40 AM

That conclusion is incorrect, Matthijs.Alright then, I got nothing to add to this discussion anymore then. :)

Bubba Wheels

07-08-2006, 11:32 AM

Well, I didn't see the thread, but it cannot have been any 'gayer' than the 'select few' who still insist on posting 'stop causing problems." That wasn't even funny the first 1,000 times it was used.

Glengoyne

07-08-2006, 11:36 AM

If HA's boxing is just about generalizations and more specific 'racist talk', then I can only conclude that the 'rules' have drastically changed in two weeks time.

I don't know if HA's boxing was really a change in the rules, but certainly Sov's boxing was. The rules here apparently change at a whim.

Soon we'll be Front Office Politically Correct Central

saldana

07-08-2006, 11:46 AM

I don't know if HA's boxing was really a change in the rules, but certainly Sov's boxing was. The rules here apparently change at a whim.

Soon we'll be Front Office Politically Correct Central

and the problem with that is what?

how about we call it Front Officed Civilized Conversations instead of rude, bigoted, idiots Central.

i cant believe people are complaining that someone got boxed for being a bigot!!!!!!!!

Glengoyne

07-08-2006, 11:59 AM

...

i cant believe people are complaining that someone got boxed for being a bigot!!!!!!!!

I'm not saying I have a problem with HA's boxing. It was Sov's that I have issue with. He simply used a phrase that is/was pretty common vernacular both here and in the real world especially amongst the younger generations.

kcchief19

07-08-2006, 12:04 PM

Honestly, people talk about stuff being not work-safe, that was the first thread I've ever seen here that could actually get somebody fired for having it on-screen at work. "Hey, Kyle, sorry to sneak up behind you. I just wanted to see if you had those reports done yet. We're really up against a deadline and ... uh ... is that guy fucking a giant stuffed rabbit? We need to talk about HornsManiac."

sabotai

07-08-2006, 12:13 PM

Soon we'll be Front Office Politically Correct Central

The place is run by committee now. What did you expect?

Raiders Army

07-08-2006, 12:24 PM

Evidently the committee changed SkyDog's thinking on the usage of "faggot" or "faggoty".

st.cronin

07-08-2006, 12:33 PM

By the way, if sov was boxed for posting that particular pic, why hasn't the pic been taken down yet? Or was he boxed for some other reason?

Raiders Army

07-08-2006, 12:34 PM

What pic are you talking about? The cabbie?

st.cronin

07-08-2006, 12:39 PM

What pic are you talking about? The cabbie?

Yes. I mean, I guess the pic could stay up, but his post hasn't been edited. If it's offensive enough to warrant a boxing, it should be edited or deleted, don't you think?

Joe

07-08-2006, 12:40 PM

what the fuck ever

B & B

07-08-2006, 12:44 PM

http://jmacgraph.0moola.com/scans/puckett.jpg

DanGarion

07-08-2006, 12:46 PM

It is, perhaps, retarted.
I love seeing RWBL words making they're way to the masses!

Raiders Army

07-08-2006, 12:55 PM

Yes. I mean, I guess the pic could stay up, but his post hasn't been edited. If it's offensive enough to warrant a boxing, it should be edited or deleted, don't you think?
Maybe because it's a committee now, it takes so much longer to do stuff. Perhaps the Mods' constituents are lobbying to keep it up. :)

st.cronin

07-08-2006, 02:06 PM

Just makes it seem capricious this way, like it's personal or something.

BrianD

07-08-2006, 03:11 PM

Yes. I mean, I guess the pic could stay up, but his post hasn't been edited. If it's offensive enough to warrant a boxing, it should be edited or deleted, don't you think?

Depends on the reason for the boxing. If something is as offensive as HA's thread was reported to be and the mods believe that leaving it around will cause a shit-storm that can't be contained, it seems prudent to remove it. If someone is boxed for asshatish behavior and the situation is contained there doesn't seem a need to remove the post/thread

Samdari

07-08-2006, 03:22 PM

and the problem with that is what?

how about we call it Front Officed Civilized Conversations instead of rude, bigoted, idiots Central.

i cant believe people are complaining that someone got boxed for being a bigot!!!!!!!!

Well, if someone got boxed for using faggot to demean someone, SkyDog owes about 11 months in the box for retroactive pigheadedness.

I don't agree with it, but precedent had been clearly established that word was ok.

DanGarion

07-08-2006, 03:47 PM

Maybe because it's a committee now, it takes so much longer to do stuff. Perhaps the Mods' constituents are lobbying to keep it up. :)
The tribunal has spoketh! Unfortuantely none of us voted for this "committee".

Joe

07-08-2006, 04:19 PM

The tribunal has spoketh! Unfortuantely none of us voted for this "committee".

yeah we did

DanGarion

07-08-2006, 04:35 PM

yeah we did
Bullshit. I remember it happening. :)

WVUFAN

07-08-2006, 05:10 PM

Y'know, I've been pretty vocally critical of the way the board has been run, but I have to say there's been some consistancy recently on boxings -- the mods aren't playing favorites, and I have to applaud them for that.

Glengoyne

07-08-2006, 06:16 PM

By the way, if sov was boxed for posting that particular pic, why hasn't the pic been taken down yet? Or was he boxed for some other reason?

It wasn't the bunny pic. He posted a reply along the lines of "Don't be gay". Actually I believe he used the word(?) faggotty or somesuch. I don't use the phrase myself, but it has been pretty common around here without causing bannings or boxings.

st.cronin

07-08-2006, 06:31 PM

Personally, I think sov was boxed just so somebody could bump this thread:

hxxp://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38433&highlight=sov%27s+box

Joe

07-08-2006, 07:00 PM

Personally, I think sov was boxed just so somebody could bump this thread:

hxxp://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38433&highlight=sov%27s+box

links to FOFC need to be hxxp'd now???

sabotai

07-08-2006, 07:25 PM

links to FOFC need to be hxxp'd now???

I heard they post pics of black dudes having sex with blow-up penguins on that site.

stevew

07-08-2006, 10:52 PM

duckman

07-08-2006, 10:57 PM

Well, I didn't see the thread, but it cannot have been any 'gayer' than the 'select few' who still insist on posting 'stop causing problems." That wasn't even funny the first 1,000 times it was used.

Because you put me on ignore and you can't see this:

please stop causing problems

http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:'))

saldana

07-08-2006, 11:00 PM

Well, if someone got boxed for using faggot to demean someone, SkyDog owes about 11 months in the box for retroactive pigheadedness.

I don't agree with it, but precedent had been clearly established that word was ok.

the precedent was established before there were multiple mods...has SD used that particular turn of phrase since the new modding situation came about...i havent seen it if it has, and if it has, someone should hit the report post button, as we now that anything that gets reported triggers a PM to all the mods.

saying that because something was allowable under one administration means it continues to be allowable under future ones is like saying that because the Soviet Union said it was ok to shoot suspected spies without trial means it remains accepable in the Russian Federation.....things change.

stevew

07-08-2006, 11:00 PM

Because you put me on ignore and you can't see this:

please stop causing problems

Normally I have him on ignore, but today I couldn't get logged in via AOL, and saw his latest gem.

saldana

07-08-2006, 11:02 PM

Because you put me on ignore and you can't see this:

please stop causing problems

http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:')) http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_finger.gif (http://javascript:emoticon(':finger:'))
best. emoticon. ever.

stevew

07-08-2006, 11:03 PM

is like saying that because the Soviet Union said it was ok to shoot suspected spies without trial means it remains accepable in the Russian Federation.....things change.

What's the addendum to Godwin's Law called when you use the Soviets instead of the Nazi's? There's gotta be a term for that.

saldana

07-08-2006, 11:06 PM

What's the addendum to Godwin's Law called when you use the Soviets instead of the Nazi's? There's gotta be a term for that.

i call it the Stalin Addendum.

Desmond

07-08-2006, 11:13 PM

I do find it odd that I got a warning for the pic while Sovereignstar got a 2 week suspension. I personaly feel like the modding is all over the place just as much as it was when SD was in control. Randomness abounds.

Raiders Army

07-09-2006, 07:59 AM

the precedent was established before there were multiple mods...has SD used that particular turn of phrase since the new modding situation came about...i havent seen it if it has, and if it has, someone should hit the report post button, as we now that anything that gets reported triggers a PM to all the mods.

saying that because something was allowable under one administration means it continues to be allowable under future ones is like saying that because the Soviet Union said it was ok to shoot suspected spies without trial means it remains accepable in the Russian Federation.....things change.
Very true; however, most governments warn their citizens that their laws have changed instead of making an example out of someone in order to get the message across.

flere-imsaho

07-09-2006, 08:14 AM

Very true; however, most governments warn their citizens that their laws have changed instead of making an example out of someone in order to get the message across.

< insert sarcastic comment about the Bush Administration here >

Raiders Army

07-09-2006, 09:49 AM

< insert sarcastic comment about the Bush Administration here >
So just because you believe the U.S. govt does it makes it okay here?

MIJB#19

07-09-2006, 11:23 AM

So just because you believe the U.S. govt does it makes it okay here?
< insert sarcastic comment about the Balkendende 2 1/2 Administration here >

sterlingice

07-09-2006, 12:21 PM

Very true; however, most governments warn their citizens that their laws have changed instead of making an example out of someone in order to get the message across.

*demands a head on a stick to illustrate the point* ;)

SI

Bubba Wheels

07-09-2006, 01:14 PM

best. emoticon. ever.

Thanks, didn't have to see that without your post. Surprised you could find time to post that at all between your laughing at the phrase "please stop causing problems' and watching your dog lick his rectum. I am going to see if your name appears in that Star Jones thread though. That would explain everything.:eek:

Schmidty

07-09-2006, 01:23 PM

Bubba Wheels

07-09-2006, 01:26 PM

Please stop being a troll.

Start yourself a 'touchy-feely' thread and I promise not to post in it!;)

Schmidty

07-09-2006, 01:32 PM

Start yourself a 'touchy-feely' thread and I promise not to post in it!;)

Huh?

Joe

07-09-2006, 02:01 PM

Huh?

he wants to touchy and feely you

Bubba Wheels

07-09-2006, 02:14 PM

he wants to touchy and feely you

How do you get your parents to allow you on this board in the first place? Foster child?

Joe

07-09-2006, 02:31 PM

Flasch186

07-09-2006, 03:03 PM

what an idiot.

duckman

07-09-2006, 03:44 PM

what an idiot.

Takes an idiot to know one.

sterlingice

07-09-2006, 03:49 PM

"I know you are but what am I" :p (ugh, I can't believe I just posted that)

SI

BrianD

07-09-2006, 03:51 PM

"I know you are but what am I" :p (ugh, I can't believe I just posted that)

SI

Is there a :shakes head in disappointement: smiley? :)

Flasch186

07-09-2006, 03:52 PM

Takes an idiot to know one.

than I must be an idiot, cuz I definitely know a couple....or at least a few with massive sized chips on their shoulders.

sterlingice

07-09-2006, 03:55 PM

Is there a :shakes head in disappointement: smiley? :)

Well, I was trying to lighten up what's become a very, well, I dunno, bad thread but no luck

SI

st.cronin

07-09-2006, 04:15 PM

Stacey Dash is going to appear in Playboy, I hear.

Logan

07-09-2006, 04:29 PM

Stacey Dash is going to appear in Playboy, I hear.

Mrs. Dash?

st.cronin

07-09-2006, 04:35 PM

Mrs. Dash?

I have no idea if she's married or not.

BrianD

07-09-2006, 05:35 PM

Well, I was trying to lighten up what's become a very, well, I dunno, bad thread but no luck

SI

I thought we were spiraling downward toward a mass boxing. Seemed like it could be fun.

sabotai

07-09-2006, 05:37 PM

I thought we were spiraling downward toward a mass boxing. Seemed like it could be fun.

Dude, don't be such a CENSORED.

saldana

07-09-2006, 08:48 PM

Thanks, didn't have to see that without your post. Surprised you could find time to post that at all between your laughing at the phrase "please stop causing problems' and watching your dog lick his rectum. I am going to see if your name appears in that Star Jones thread though. That would explain everything.:eek:

take a valium or something...i didnt say anything about it being the most appropriate use of an emoticon...i honestly didnt even care who it was being posted in reference to...it just made me laugh.

however, i now also think it IS the most appropriate emoticon ever.

Schmidty

07-09-2006, 09:33 PM

take a valium or something...i didnt say anything about it being the most appropriate use of an emoticon...i honestly didnt even care who it was being posted in reference to...it just made me laugh.

however, i now also think it IS the most appropriate emoticon ever.

Dude, don't worry about him. He's a joke.

Cringer

07-10-2006, 01:02 AM

Sov being boxed is bullshit. Fuck those who boxed him. I don't like you anymore.

Live with that whores. Try to sleep at night now. I don't like you.

Unbox the Sovster!

Groundhog

07-10-2006, 01:10 AM

Sov and HA are always getting boxed. As I've said in other threads, people take HA way too seriously. He may cross the line on occassion (this being a good example from what I read on page 1 of this thread - I didn't actually see what he wrote), but I just don't take anything he says seriously so it doesn't offend me. Sov gets fiery from time to time, but again it doesn't really affect me.

Though I must admit, it takes a lot to offend me - especially when you consider the fact that this is an internet message board.

flere-imsaho

07-10-2006, 09:17 AM

So just because you believe the U.S. govt does it makes it okay here?

Sorry, I probably should have made it more clear that I was joking. Here we go: :p

ISiddiqui

07-10-2006, 09:28 AM

I agree with both boxings. One for the official reason and secondly because if we didn't have boxings, this board would have run out of things to talk about years ago :D.

Cringer

07-10-2006, 12:53 PM

Bullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

Just had to say that again. From what HA said on the Imperial boards, you guys are making this sound a lot worse. Maybe you shouldn't delete threads, maybe someone who runs a league that HA is in would be interested in seeing what was so bad.

What's the url for sportsdigs.com?

st.cronin

07-10-2006, 12:55 PM

Cringer

07-10-2006, 12:58 PM

Hell Atlantic is full of shit.

I have no way of knowing that, the thread was deleted. :rolleyes:

st.cronin

07-10-2006, 01:02 PM

I have no way of knowing that, the thread was deleted. :rolleyes:

Ok, fine, you believe Hell Atlantic instead of the multitude of folks here who have already testified that it was incredibly offensive.

Blade6119

07-10-2006, 01:05 PM

This is the kind of thread i should be involved in...how can you guys announce this when im out of town? This is my specialty here too, given my colorful past :)

Schmidty

07-10-2006, 01:06 PM

FWIW, I don't really think Sov should have gotten more than a warning, but maybe it was an accumulation thing, I don't know.

HA deserves everything he gets. He asks for it.

Cringer

07-10-2006, 01:11 PM

FWIW, I don't really think Sov should have gotten more than a warning, but maybe it was an accumulation thing, I don't know.

HA deserves everything he gets. He asks for it.

This is my bigger problem, sov's boxing. HA says things that just pisses people off, i doubt he was an angel here (not that I can know for sure because a thread with the word 'animal' in it was deleted). sov though, that is one of the lamest boxings ever. Someone was being a little bitch about that one.

ISiddiqui

07-10-2006, 01:13 PM

It's an offensive word though. If someone used the n-word would the discussion that sov's boxing was out of line even be happening?

Schmidty

07-10-2006, 01:17 PM

It's an offensive word though. If someone used the n-word would the discussion that sov's boxing was out of line even be happening?

I agree with what you're saying, but when the HNIC (as he calls himself) repeatedly uses the word as a derogeratory adjective, adverb, etc., without reprecussions, it makes boxings like Sov's seem less credible.

Cringer

07-10-2006, 01:19 PM

exactly.

ISiddiqui

07-10-2006, 01:40 PM

Well I'm not saying that the HNIC shouldn't be divinely punished by the God of his choice ;). But I'd love to see a boxing there... that would kick ass, even though the boxer would lose his moderator job.

John Galt

07-10-2006, 01:48 PM

While this thread sucks ass, I would add that I think the mods are perhaps being a bit trigger happy with sov (and I think HA as well). While many here seem to think of me as the PC Police, I tend to think moderation should be pretty light on a board like this. Community pressure, norms, and persuasion seem to be much effective means of changing people's attitudes over the long run than heavy-handed moderating. Penalty boxing and bannings should be reserved for truly disruptive forces or major repeat offenders (which some could argue that HA is, but I'm inclined to think he isn't quite there yet). But that's just my idiosyncratic view on things.

st.cronin

07-10-2006, 01:48 PM

I think that the sov boxing wasn't about the word, but rather about the tone of the post. Sort of like HA's "cowboy up" of a year ago.

Coder

07-10-2006, 02:04 PM

Sov being boxed is bullshit. Fuck those who boxed him. I don't like you anymore.

Live with that whores. Try to sleep at night now. I don't like you.

Unbox the Sovster!

I love you Cring!

..oh.. and Unbanninate Suicaine while you're at it!

Cringer

07-10-2006, 02:07 PM

I love you Cring!

..oh.. and Unbanninate Suicaine while you're at it!

I don't think I like the tone of your post mister! You just might get yourself boxed for that one. ;)

Cringer

07-10-2006, 02:09 PM

haha, just noticed the Suicane spelled Suicaine.....nice touch Coder.

MrBigglesworth

07-10-2006, 02:39 PM

I think that the sov boxing wasn't about the word, but rather about the tone of the post. Sort of like HA's "cowboy up" of a year ago.
The tone? A joke about a movie? I didn't realize a jovial tone was frowned about. (sarcasm not neccessarily directed at st.cronin, I don't know if he agrees with banning or not)

Blade6119

07-10-2006, 02:54 PM

I may regret this, as someone who has more reason then anyone to want to make comments that screw over the mods, but i agree with both boxings...the problem that arises from them is if comments like sovs faggot comment warrant a box, then there are a lot more comments that should be boxed too. If sov was boxed for the movie quote, which is still an if to me(can a mod confirm?) then we should see more boxings if the mods wish to be just. Comments just as or more offensive happen daily here, so im not quite sure why they chose this one to make an example out of. I dont disagree, its just interesting

MrBigglesworth

07-10-2006, 03:17 PM

Comments just as or more offensive happen daily here, so im not quite sure why they chose this one to make an example out of.
That's the problem, nobody knows what they can and can't say. Sometimes you can go by precedent, but as was pointed out, 'faggot' has a precedent of being used without remorse by the HNIC. It was also not HA's intent to inflame, it's just who he is. He was stating his opinion after getting fired up reading the story. Say it's an idiotic opinion and move on. People are getting super touchy here lately, like they are just looking for something to be offended at. If someone says something dumb and/or inappropriate, mock them by putting it in your sig, don't cry about it.

Blade6119

07-10-2006, 03:41 PM

That's the problem, nobody knows what they can and can't say. Sometimes you can go by precedent, but as was pointed out, 'faggot' has a precedent of being used without remorse by the HNIC. It was also not HA's intent to inflame, it's just who he is. He was stating his opinion after getting fired up reading the story. Say it's an idiotic opinion and move on. People are getting super touchy here lately, like they are just looking for something to be offended at. If someone says something dumb and/or inappropriate, mock them by putting it in your sig, don't cry about it.
HA's intent was to flame...his list of douchebags on the board and countless others were to flame and flame and flame...sov has been dancing the line for along time, and i feel both were more lifetime achievement boxings...Past offenders are on a shorter leash, and both have made comments that danced the line(HA more then sov).

My point was only when and before i was a mod skydog and later the others(well, most) were against boxings for this sort of thing when i was all for it. I find it odd they actually boxed sov unless there are things i cant see in deleted threads or what not..just seemed out of character

BrianD

07-10-2006, 04:47 PM

That's the problem, nobody knows what they can and can't say. Sometimes you can go by precedent, but as was pointed out, 'faggot' has a precedent of being used without remorse by the HNIC. It was also not HA's intent to inflame, it's just who he is. He was stating his opinion after getting fired up reading the story. Say it's an idiotic opinion and move on. People are getting super touchy here lately, like they are just looking for something to be offended at. If someone says something dumb and/or inappropriate, mock them by putting it in your sig, don't cry about it.

I think all this talk of words and precedents is misguided. There are probably very few words that will trigger a boxing. It seems to come down to specific actions and how they cumulate. Desmond posted the same picture that Sov posted but didn't get the box. Why not? Both had jumped into an ongoing conversation with no intent other than to be a troll. They may have both been going for offensive humor, but they probably both missed. Desmond probably got some slack because he is relatively new and the thread was already descending toward bickering and insults.

If you start trolling in a thread that has already gradually drifted toward trolling and insults, it probably isn't that big a deal. If you start a thread or join a conversational thread with trolling and insults, that seems to be box-worthy. It all seems to come back to Rule #1: Don't be an asshat.

Desmond

07-10-2006, 04:52 PM

I think all this talk of words and precedents is misguided. There are probably very few words that will trigger a boxing. It seems to come down to specific actions and how they cumulate. Desmond posted the same picture that Sov posted but didn't get the box. Why not? Both had jumped into an ongoing conversation with no intent other than to be a troll. They may have both been going for offensive humor, but they probably both missed. Desmond probably got some slack because he is relatively new and the thread was already descending toward bickering and insults.

If you start trolling in a thread that has already gradually drifted toward trolling and insults, it probably isn't that big a deal. If you start a thread or join a conversational thread with trolling and insults, that seems to be box-worthy. It all seems to come back to Rule #1: Don't be an asshat.

Pardon me, but I was not trolling. I was simply asking if it was possible for you not to be such a hissy little bitch. Download a torrent, live a little.

Desnudo

07-10-2006, 04:58 PM

Oh snap! I have a feeling I'll be losing this post a little later. I enjoy boxings right or wrong for the follow-up threads that result.

BrianD

07-10-2006, 05:06 PM

Pardon me, but I was not trolling. I was simply asking if it was possible for you not to be such a hissy little bitch. Download a torrent, live a little.

There, now thats trolling. Faggot.

Your first post in that thread was to call Schmidty a hypocrite for changing his mind after 3 years. You then called me a faggot for pointing that out. I think that qualifies as trolling.

Desmond

07-10-2006, 05:14 PM

Your first post in that thread was to call Schmidty a hypocrite for changing his mind after 3 years. You then called me a faggot for pointing that out. I think that qualifies as trolling.

Ya know what, I got myself a little worked up there and I appologize.

A) I didn't call Schmidty a hypocrite, I pointed out a post in which he used the same term he was railing against. I didn't make a judgement either way, I left it to stand on it's own.

B) I didn't call you a faggot, well not until later, and again I appologize although im sure i'll get my reprimand. I was using a pop culture reference to insinuate that you were being a weee bit touchy on one hand and on the other I was trying to point out that a mod shamelessly and unabashadly uses the same damn phrase time in and time out.

stevew

07-10-2006, 05:21 PM

In before the lock.

MacroGuru

07-10-2006, 05:21 PM

Damn, look at this...based upon Sov's boxing, we should be digging through the 56 threads and finding out who the hell called who or what a faggot, and box the living hell out of them.

Honestly Mods, get your hands off your cocks and the boxing trigger.

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Joe

07-10-2006, 05:35 PM

you're all faggots

ice4277

07-10-2006, 06:27 PM

I did not intend for this thread to become this faggoty.

Desnudo

07-10-2006, 06:42 PM

It was inevitable

sabotai

07-10-2006, 06:47 PM

It was inevitable

I'm sorry, it's what?

Inevit, inevitabre.

One more time.

[shouts] Inevitebre! Jesus Christ, open your fucking ears!

Raiders Army

07-10-2006, 07:02 PM

I think everyone's use of the word "faggot" and all deriatives is getting really fucking old. And this is coming from a person who is not offended by the use of the word. I'm not offended by your usage, but I'm getting tired of the same old schtick that does offend others.

panerd

07-10-2006, 07:13 PM

Bubba Wheels

07-10-2006, 08:03 PM

Cringer

07-10-2006, 08:28 PM

you're all faggots

Sshhhhh! Loren doesn't know yet.

Schmidty

07-10-2006, 08:49 PM

Glad I could do that for ya!:) See, now I respect you for having an opinion! Let the sissies try to be everybody's buddy! Be a MAN, not a SISSY! Be a BUBBA! Not a Schmidty!

Thanks. Now I think I've been called everything. Most people think I'm a butthole and a spazz at times, but I've never been called a sissy.

If being a sissy means that I'm not a bigot or a person who makes light of other people's deficiencies when they can't defend themselves, then I guess I'm a sissy.

cartman

07-10-2006, 08:54 PM

Glad I could do that for ya!:) See, now I respect you for having an opinion! Let the sissies try to be everybody's buddy! Be a MAN, not a SISSY! Be a BUBBA! Not a Schmidty!

If having a lot of friends makes you a sissy, and a lack of buddies makes you a man, then you must certainly be a man's man.

McSweeny

07-10-2006, 09:08 PM

Let's see. I have been here about 5 years and have never been boxed. Yourself and the two guys in question have been boxed numerous times. I just don't feel sorry for somebody who can't learn from their own fuckin mistakes.

that's pretty much how i see it

Cringer

07-10-2006, 09:35 PM

I just don't feel sorry for somebody who can't learn from their own fuckin mistakes.

Agreed, the mods just don't learn that banning someone for one thing, and not banning someone else for the same thing is wrong.

cartman

07-10-2006, 09:38 PM

Agreed, the mods just don't learn that banning someone for one thing, and not banning someone else for the same thing is wrong.

As a policeman was writing a ticket to someone who was speeding, the speeder asked "How come you pulled me over? There were a lot of other people speeding."

The policeman replied "When you go fishing, do you catch every fish in the lake?"

panerd

07-10-2006, 09:44 PM

Agreed, the mods just don't learn that banning someone for one thing, and not banning someone else for the same thing is wrong.

You see I don't get this response. Have you ever been boxed? Has 99% of the board? Quite simply these guys don't deserve the same leeway that everyone else does. HA is always causing shit and while soverignstar seems to be a much bigger contriubuter I can recall him being boxed on several other occasions. You do realize we are talking about two grown men here and not children? How mature is it to make the posts that they are getting in trouble for? You guys can continue to rally to their support, but basically all the moderators are trying to do is to get these guys to act like they are older than 13. My 7 year old nephew argues that it isn't fair when he gets in trouble for things that my 5 year old neice doesn't. Usually when we become adults we realize easy ways to stay out of trouble and only the most immature of the immature say "But he did it too!"

Bubba Wheels

07-10-2006, 09:49 PM

If having a lot of friends makes you a sissy, and a lack of buddies makes you a man, then you must certainly be a man's man.

Well, this is an internet message board. If these people are your 'friends', then I really feel sorry for you. I promise you don't have to worry about me, but thanks for the concern anyways.

BTW, you know I think your the ultimate puss yourself, so Schmidty has some company!;)

CraigSca

07-10-2006, 09:50 PM

Hi, I'm craigsca. You can call me Craig.

Joe

07-10-2006, 09:55 PM

Sshhhhh! Loren doesn't know yet.

doubtful.

Cringer

07-10-2006, 10:05 PM

As a policeman was writing a ticket to someone who was speeding, the speeder asked "How come you pulled me over? There were a lot of other people speeding."

The policeman replied "When you go fishing, do you catch every fish in the lake?"

Left out is the part where once pulled over, the policeman let go the fellow policeman or the hot chick off scott free, but gave to 300lb. guy in the beat up pinto a ticket. That finishes off this analogy, although I am not calling SkyDog a hot chick, don't take it that way because then he might call me faggoty in which he wouldn't get boxed for. ;)

You see I don't get this response. Have you ever been boxed? Has 99% of the board? Quite simply these guys don't deserve the same leeway that everyone else does. HA is always causing shit and while soverignstar seems to be a much bigger contriubuter I can recall him being boxed on several other occasions. You do realize we are talking about two grown men here and not children? How mature is it to make the posts that they are getting in trouble for? You guys can continue to rally to their support, but basically all the moderators are trying to do is to get these guys to act like they are older than 13. My 7 year old nephew argues that it isn't fair when he gets in trouble for things that my 5 year old neice doesn't. Usually when we become adults we realize easy ways to stay out of trouble and only the most immature of the immature say "But he did it too!"

No, never been boxed. And in sov's case it is a valid arguement. How is making a joke by posting a picture from a movie and saying the line from that scene any worse then someone else running around saying things are faggoty, or calling someone a faggot without the picture of a cab driver? I back up sov for that reason. I think the past shouldn't have squat to do with this instance at all.

As for HA's, that one is harder to defend. I didn't see the thread because I wasn't here, but have heard his side of the story. I can say that I understand how guys who don't already like him would want to burn him at the stake for it, and that is pretty much how it went down, IMO. If there is more to that thread then what I have read from guys, then I could be wrong in thinking it was stupid to box him. But, the thread is gone, so it's he said/she said for those who weren't there to see it go down.

Cringer

07-10-2006, 10:07 PM

doubtful.

You sent her the pictures? :mad:

saldana

07-10-2006, 10:26 PM

Well, this is an internet message board. If these people are your 'friends', then I really feel sorry for you. I promise you don't have to worry about me, but thanks for the concern anyways.

BTW, you know I think your the ultimate puss yourself, so Schmidty has some company!;)

are you kidding me...some of the fastest growing threads on this board are the ones that involve real life problems that we have as real people, and every post in them is from one person genuinely concerned for another.

or how about some of the threads where people share the highlights of their lives, like having children born or getting married...same thing...tons of posts from their online friends.

perhaps you never noticed these, as you were too busy trolling and insulting people that you have never even had a conversation with before.

B & B

07-10-2006, 10:49 PM

*** I posted a Kirby Puckett autographed picture on page 2 but it was replaced with a winky smile emoticon***

:confused:

Bubba Wheels

07-10-2006, 11:31 PM

are you kidding me...some of the fastest growing threads on this board are the ones that involve real life problems that we have as real people, and every post in them is from one person genuinely concerned for another.

or how about some of the threads where people share the highlights of their lives, like having children born or getting married...same thing...tons of posts from their online friends.

perhaps you never noticed these, as you were too busy trolling and insulting people that you have never even had a conversation with before.

Makes me sad and I think about the recent news article that Americans are becoming increasingly more isolated. If this board gives you some pleasure then good for you, nothing wrong with that. But to think your making real connections with real 'friends' would be, and is, sad. Unless, of course, you actually call and/or meet up with some of these folks, which I don't.

Friends are real people you see and talk to in real life. This is entertainment, like interactive TV or a video game. At least to me.

Schmidty

07-11-2006, 12:04 AM

Friends are real people you see and talk to in real life. This is entertainment, like interactive TV or a video game. At least to me.

The man (and others) that you just insulted had enough concern and empathy to give a shit to talk to me when I was down because of the death of my grandfather. Not only that, he sent me something to make me feel better. That's what what a friend does. He didn't even really know me, but he gave a fuck enough about me (who he only knew on the internet) to try to make me feel better. THAT is part of loving your neighbor, you disgraceful faux-christian. (I feel bad about saying that, but I have nothing to assess your character by other than your words and behaviour).

What do you do other than besmirch the name of the God you supposedly follow? You wreak havok on this board and you add NOTHING. You don't spread love, respect and kindness - the very things that are part of speading the Good News. You add chaos and discord.

Now, I'm not perfect by any stretch, but I understand what it is to love my neighbor.

Being a friend, or even a good citizen, means having kindness in your heart, even if it makes you look like a wuss at times.

In the words of Jimmy Stewert in "Mr. Smith goes to Washington":

"I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness and a little looking out for the other fella, too."

Desnudo

07-11-2006, 12:16 AM

twothree

07-11-2006, 12:27 AM

*gets out a handbasket*

*places thread inside handbasket*

*ships thread via USPS straight to hell*

WSUCougar

07-11-2006, 12:31 AM

GoldenEagle

07-11-2006, 12:42 AM

So sov was banned for that fag comment?

Franklinnoble

07-11-2006, 12:44 AM

Desmond, that's two weeks in the cooler. Admittedly, it should have been done earlier, but I was hopeful that you'd back off. No such luck.

As for the rest of this thread, I'd appreciate it if everyone would just chill out and move on.

Why not just have someone in authority (read: SkyDog) explain the sov and HA boxing a little better. At least that would end the speculation over mod motivation.

Of course, people would still cry about it... but it might help.

Franklinnoble

07-11-2006, 12:59 AM

Hmm... post #154 seems to indicate that Desmond was indeed backing off a bit. Why the boxing at this point?

Oh, and stirring up the pot isn't necessarily un-Christian. I'm sure if they'd had message boards back in the day, the pharisees would have called Jesus a troll. Maybe Bubba's not spreading the love, but nobody ever said a Christian couldn't have a strong opinion.

saldana

07-11-2006, 01:04 AM

Schmidty

07-11-2006, 01:06 AM

Oh, and stirring up the pot isn't necessarily un-Christian.

Big difference. Jesus was against the establishment of the pharisees because of their overly strict adherance to old testament rules, while at the same time allowing disgraceful things such as money-lenders (which is against biblical law) to take place right on the grounds of the temple.

He would likely have not have regarded calling non-establishment people sissies, fags or retards to be an OK thing.

Try again.

Franklinnoble

07-11-2006, 01:12 AM

Big difference. Jesus was against the establishment of the pharisees because of their overly strict adherance to old testament rules, while at the same time allowing disgraceful things such as money-lenders (which is against biblical law) to take place right on the grounds of the temple.

He would likely have not have regarded calling out non-establishment sinners by calling them sissies, fags or retards.

Try again.

Hey, I'm not saying Bubba's not being graceful... I'm just saying you can be opinionated, and still be Christian.

Glengoyne

07-11-2006, 01:44 AM

You see I don't get this response. Have you ever been boxed? Has 99% of the board? Quite simply these guys don't deserve the same leeway that everyone else does. HA is always causing shit and while soverignstar seems to be a much bigger contriubuter I can recall him being boxed on several other occasions. You do realize we are talking about two grown men here and not children? How mature is it to make the posts that they are getting in trouble for? You guys can continue to rally to their support, but basically all the moderators are trying to do is to get these guys to act like they are older than 13. My 7 year old nephew argues that it isn't fair when he gets in trouble for things that my 5 year old neice doesn't. Usually when we become adults we realize easy ways to stay out of trouble and only the most immature of the immature say "But he did it too!"

See I have been boxed. On a completely bullshit decision by the mods. That has made me sensitive to this issue, because one moron on the board can not make even the slightest attempt to understand that you might not be saying something offensive, that you might be making a point. In fact it might be the same point that you had made earlier in the same thread without the least bit of consequence. Anyway that moron reports your post, then a couple of over eager mods come along and toss you in the box without having two thoughts between them.

The Deal with Sov's boxing is that no one really thought what he did was a boxable offense. Less moderation is preferred. This place thrived under minima moderation, and willy nilly application of board rules has done nothing to help this place. More moderation is something I will continue to bitch about.

Blade6119

07-11-2006, 04:41 AM

FOFC is finally succumbing to the WW craze...players are fighting, people are getting eliminated from the game, and no one has any clue what is really going on. Gotta love WW :D

miked

07-11-2006, 07:24 AM

Why do people care so much about who's boxed and why? This messageboard has people in charge that do what they think is best. If 2 idiots who were here to troll/flame get put in the box, big deal, there are other messageboards. Miss HA? Come over to the UBL board and talk to him, I guarantee it's the same guy.

This isn't some sort of democracy where everyone has a voice, it's a messageboard. If you can't conduct yourself to the standard people in charge ask of you, don't come by. You want to know why some things are boxable and some aren't for fear that you may get boxed? Not everytthing is always perceived the same way...don't act like an idiot and roll the dice.

Flasch186

07-11-2006, 07:33 AM

Glad I could do that for ya!:) See, now I respect you for having an opinion! Let the sissies try to be everybody's buddy! Be a MAN, not a SISSY! Be a BUBBA! Not a Schmidty!

WWJD? stomp on the sissies?

wade moore

07-11-2006, 07:53 AM

Anyway that moron reports your post, then a couple of over eager mods come along and toss you in the box without having two thoughts between them.

I do not take kindly to personal assaults like this.

You and I have had a private discussion on this issue and I believe I laid out very clearly the way I felt about the issue in very logical terms. I've had told you on NUMEROUS occasions that you are talking out of your ass without any facts to back up your claims and you continue to do so.

I will ask that you please cease and desist with the personal attacks. Not as a mod making threats, but as a fellow board member making the request.

cartman

07-11-2006, 08:25 AM

Makes me sad and I think about the recent news article that Americans are becoming increasingly more isolated. If this board gives you some pleasure then good for you, nothing wrong with that. But to think your making real connections with real 'friends' would be, and is, sad. Unless, of course, you actually call and/or meet up with some of these folks, which I don't.

Friends are real people you see and talk to in real life. This is entertainment, like interactive TV or a video game. At least to me.

This is where your (note the correct usage) assumption is dead wrong. I've met several of the posters of FOFC in real life at different times. We've talked, drank beers, the normal things that friends do. Just because first contact was made on an Internet message board, how is that any different from making friends with people you meet at work, church, or school? And how is using the Internet to bridge distances between people any different than calling a friend from school who lives on the other side of the country, or even in a different country? Being a friend means communicating, be it face to face, over the phone, via the Internet, or even the old fashioned way, writing letters.

Raiders Army

07-11-2006, 08:31 AM

As for the rest of this thread, I'd appreciate it if everyone would just chill out and move on.
I seriously doubt that this will happen until there is a little more explanation on sov's boxing. Again, no one can dispute HA's boxing because the evidence is gone, but sov's boxing seems to be inconsistent with the (previously) established "standards and practices" of FOFC.

wade moore

07-11-2006, 09:11 AM

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=50984

DanGarion

07-11-2006, 09:15 AM

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=50984
So why was he boxed?

If this was a post on a message board back in the 40's and he said this about the Nazi's would you have banned him then too?

Pumpy Tudors

07-11-2006, 09:15 AM

Wanna know why there are no more Pumpy pics? Among other things, some of the shit buried in this thread is an example of why there are no more Pumpy pics.

TAKE THAT.

duckman

07-11-2006, 09:17 AM

I agree with 90% of the boxings on this board, but methinks this one falls under the 10%.

wade moore

07-11-2006, 09:18 AM

So why was he boxed?

If this was a post on a message board back in the 40's and he said this about the Nazi's would you have banned him then too?

I should have clarified.

HA was not boxed because of "racist" remarks. In fact, you'll notice that no one in there did anyone say something about racism other than HA.

HA was boxed for create an offensive, trolling thread that had no purpose or realistic result other than to cause trouble. He made a sweeping, offensive generalization about an entire continent of people. Within 5 minutes it was already headed very quickly down that path, if there are any doubters on the inevitable result of the thread.

st.cronin

07-11-2006, 09:21 AM

I thought the resurrected thread was a parody, and was disappointed to discover it wasn't. That title has potential.

DanGarion

07-11-2006, 09:23 AM

I should have clarified.

HA was not boxed because of "racist" remarks. In fact, you'll notice that no one in there did anyone say something about racism other than HA.

HA was boxed for create an offensive, trolling thread that had no purpose or realistic result other than to cause trouble. He made a sweeping, offensive generalization about an entire continent of people. Within 5 minutes it was already headed very quickly down that path, if there are any doubters on the inevitable result of the thread.
So now we are getting boxed for making generalizations? Wow things are going even more downhill here then I thought they were. Soon no one will be posting for fear of saying something with a generalization in it. I'd put an example but I'm afraid I'll be boxed if I do...
:rolleyes:

wade moore

07-11-2006, 09:26 AM

So now we are getting boxed for making generalizations? Wow things are going even more downhill here then I thought they were. Soon no one will be posting for fear of saying something with a generalization in it. I'd put an example but I'm afraid I'll be boxed if I do...
:rolleyes:

Good god, read and comprehend instead of wanting to pick a fight.

He was boxed for creating a thread that had the only intention and end result of trolling and causing trouble. I was merely explaining what it was that made that the case.

End of story.

You should be, and always should have been, in fear of creating a trolling thread that has the only intention and end result of trolling and causing trouble. That's how it always has been and how it always will be.

John Galt

07-11-2006, 09:34 AM

Alan T

07-11-2006, 09:37 AM

I've never had a problem with HA, he's always been respectful to me when I've talked to him on AIM or in ootp leagues in the past. I think its very hard to argue though that what he posted was not inflamatory. He basically is this board's version of a shock DJ I guess you can say. He says things to try to get reactions and that requires him to feel he has to walk that fine line between being inappropriate and being entirely disgusting.

I'm not sure how many people could support what he actually posted there as being ok to post.. from what I am reading people have issues with all kinds of things though, and are using this as an outlet to try to get those points heard.

I could be totally wrong, but it sounds to me that people are arguing if there should be any form of moderation at all, or if the community should self-moderate each other in cases like this. (I have no idea how that would work. It just sounds like thats what some people are wanting.)

It sounds like others have axes to grind with some (all?) of the moderators so use any excuse possible to further that agenda.

It sounds to me like some are just confused to what happened since no one has responded about the Sov boxing and the HA post until recently had been removed..

To be perfectly honest, I could care less one way or another. I have always been and will always be mostly a casual reader/poster on these forums and will leave forum politics to others. I have perfected the ability to learn to completely ignore posts from specific users, and known that I don't really care too much for certain types of threads because they always revert back to the same old trolling as previous ones.

I just think there is a communication issue going on here...

DanGarion

07-11-2006, 09:38 AM

While I've posted that I wasn't in favor of the boxing either, this is a ridiculously bad (and dishonest) interpretation of what happened.
I'm not the biggest fan of HA, but reading over the thread, that's what I see. He made a generalization (a bad one at that) and he was boxed because of it.

wade moore

07-11-2006, 09:40 AM

I'm not the biggest fan of HA, but reading over the thread, that's what I see. He made a generalization (a bad one at that) and he was banned because of it.

No one has been banned (besides spammers) since Suicane.

DanGarion

07-11-2006, 09:40 AM

To be perfectly honest, I could care less one way or another. I have always been and will always be mostly a casual reader/poster on these forums and will leave forum politics to others. I have perfected the ability to learn to completely ignore posts from specific users, and known that I don't really care too much for certain types of threads because they always revert back to the same old trolling as previous ones.

That's why I stay out of 99% of the political threads.

DanGarion

07-11-2006, 09:41 AM

No one has been banned (besides spammers) since Suicane.
Sorry correction. BOXED. You know what I meant.

BrianD

07-11-2006, 09:42 AM

No one has been banned (besides spammers) since Suicane.

...and WrongWay...twice.

wade moore

07-11-2006, 09:42 AM

...and WrongWay...twice.

Forgot about that one.

John Galt

07-11-2006, 09:43 AM

No one has been banned (besides spammers) since Suicane.

Not to pick a nit, but wasn't Jesse banned?

wade moore

07-11-2006, 09:44 AM

Not to pick a nit, but wasn't Jesse banned?

blah...

My timelines are off because I wasn't a mod at the time of most of this stuff.

My point was it's been a long time since someone has been banned, and that HA was not banned despite a pretty loud cry from a lot of forum members that he should be.

I thought it was important to make the distinction because of how many have called for it, but I should have just said "HA was boxed, not banned."

BrianD

07-11-2006, 09:46 AM

blah...

My timelines are off because I wasn't a mod at the time of most of this stuff.

My point was it's been a long time since someone has been banned, and that HA was not banned despite a pretty loud cry from a lot of forum members that he should be.

I thought it was important to make the distinction because of how many have called for it, but I should have just said "HA was boxed, not banned."

But where is the fun in that? This is one of the few times we can actually argue with a mod and be right. :D

JonInMiddleGA

07-11-2006, 09:49 AM

flere-imsaho

07-11-2006, 09:52 AM

Why not just have someone in authority (read: SkyDog) explain the sov and HA boxing a little better. At least that would end the speculation over mod motivation.

Of course, people would still cry about it... but it might help.

On this topic, I've made the following suggestion before, and I'm going to make it again:

1. Create a sticky, locked thread in GD called something like "Bannings/Boxings"

2. In this thread, the mods list, as they happen, bannings/boxings as well as short descriptions as to why such an action was taken.

I think this solves a number of issues. First, it makes the mods' decisions more transparent, and ends some of the endless speculation about bannings/boxings, which is good because such speculation oftentimes turns into further "bad threads" about mods, other people, etc....

Second, such a thread serves as a "living document" that indicates, to any board member new or old, what is and what is not acceptable behavior in GD @ FOFC. I think this, combined with the "basic rules" as laid down by SD, is superior to the "basic rules" plus people's general view on how those rules are applied (people's general view being pretty varied and subjective).

It is my personal belief that in any situation concerning leadership, transparency of the decision-making process is almost always a good thing, except in those cases where those being led are expected to follow rules blindly. Like it or not, SD & the "mod council" are in a position of leadership at FOFC, in that they, knowingly or not, set a standard for what passes as reasonable posts here. In this sense, more information about how they make the rules which set the expectations for behavior around here is always a preferable thing.

ice4277

07-11-2006, 09:59 AM

John Galt

07-11-2006, 09:59 AM

FWIW, I think flere's idea is a good one although I don't think it will solve that many problems. But it will probably help a little.

st.cronin

07-11-2006, 10:00 AM

On this topic, I've made the following suggestion before, and I'm going to make it again:

1. Create a sticky, locked thread in GD called something like "Bannings/Boxings"

2. In this thread, the mods list, as they happen, bannings/boxings as well as short descriptions as to why such an action was taken.

I think this solves a number of issues. First, it makes the mods' decisions more transparent, and ends some of the endless speculation about bannings/boxings, which is good because such speculation oftentimes turns into further "bad threads" about mods, other people, etc....

Second, such a thread serves as a "living document" that indicates, to any board member new or old, what is and what is not acceptable behavior in GD @ FOFC. I think this, combined with the "basic rules" as laid down by SD, is superior to the "basic rules" plus people's general view on how those rules are applied (people's general view being pretty varied and subjective).

It is my personal belief that in any situation concerning leadership, transparency of the decision-making process is almost always a good thing, except in those cases where those being led are expected to follow rules blindly. Like it or not, SD & the "mod council" are in a position of leadership at FOFC, in that they, knowingly or not, set a standard for what passes as reasonable posts here. In this sense, more information about how they make the rules which set the expectations for behavior around here is always a preferable thing.

That's a good idea, but at the very least there should be a statement explaining each and every boxing. Wade moore has made like a million comments on HA, but as far as I know, there hasn't been a single official comment on sov's boxing. Personally, I think that's an absolute disgrace - not that he was boxed, but that there's been no explanation why. It makes the boxing seem capricious, arbitrary, and possibly personal.

wade moore

07-11-2006, 10:03 AM

Franklinnoble

07-11-2006, 10:03 AM

Yeah, HA isn't exactly my favorite person on the board, but that's a little silly. My interpretation is that he read an article and had a strong emotional response to it, and that's what he posted.

You know, not that we've ever had to use it, but over at SportsDigs, we came up with a solution to this. Threads like this are thrown into the "Parking Lot" sub-forum, which is a place for rants, etc. Problem users can be locked off the rest of the board if repeated problems occur. Maybe we could try something like this here?

stevew

07-11-2006, 10:04 AM

I can't believe he got boxed for that thread. The way a lot of you people made it sound, i thought it was much much worse.

Thumbs down on this action.

WSUCougar

07-11-2006, 10:05 AM

That's what HA was boxed for?

Good grief.

Any mod who got upset over that ought to be ashamed to ever show their face in public again, because you've proven yourself to be a complete idiot.

And I don't even like HA at least a third of the time myself but SD you fucked up royally when you picked the mods responsible for this absurdity.
You forgot to tactlessly insult the various members who reported the post in the short time it existed.

Don't assume that everyone shares your twisted view of reality and doesn't find such sweeping ignorance offensive.

However, feel free to keep popping off with your characteristic oh-so-sharp-witted venom.

stevew

07-11-2006, 10:07 AM

On this topic, I've made the following suggestion before, and I'm going to make it again:

1. Create a sticky, locked thread in GD called something like "Bannings/Boxings"

2. In this thread, the mods list, as they happen, bannings/boxings as well as short descriptions as to why such an action was taken.

I think this solves a number of issues. First, it makes the mods' decisions more transparent, and ends some of the endless speculation about bannings/boxings, which is good because such speculation oftentimes turns into further "bad threads" about mods, other people, etc....

Second, such a thread serves as a "living document" that indicates, to any board member new or old, what is and what is not acceptable behavior in GD @ FOFC. I think this, combined with the "basic rules" as laid down by SD, is superior to the "basic rules" plus people's general view on how those rules are applied (people's general view being pretty varied and subjective).

It is my personal belief that in any situation concerning leadership, transparency of the decision-making process is almost always a good thing, except in those cases where those being led are expected to follow rules blindly. Like it or not, SD & the "mod council" are in a position of leadership at FOFC, in that they, knowingly or not, set a standard for what passes as reasonable posts here. In this sense, more information about how they make the rules which set the expectations for behavior around here is always a preferable thing.

I'd love to see flere's illustrated guide to FOFC bannings/boxings. The coffee table edition.

John Galt

07-11-2006, 10:07 AM

Well, after reading the thread that got deleted/un-deleted, I just have one comment. Wade mentions that the only person to mention race in the thread was HA. Technically true, but only after he was jumped on for what he posted. I have a hard time believing that if he had said "Europeans are animals", for example, that there would have been any sort of comment. I think he was jumped on for making a racist statement, which doesn't seem to be the case. A poor choice of wording, perhaps, but in the end, nothing different than we've seen from him a million times.

While I again did not support the boxing, I think this comparison isn't apt.

I know people like to find a symmetry with whites, it often doesn't work. I think a closer parallel would be if someone posted a thread about Israel invading Gaza, called all Jews "monsters," and said we should warm up the gas chambers. Calling all Africans animals and saying they should be caged up brings up the ugly legacy of slavery. History matters in these sorts of things. Calling all blacks "cheap" for example is different than calling Jews "cheap." While neither is nice, one has a history attached to it. Saying Europeans should be locked up in cages is kind of like calling blacks "cheap" - it's insulting, probably racist, but not as bad as saying "blacks should be caged up like slaves."

BrianD

07-11-2006, 10:08 AM

I'm not sure that HA's intent was as horrible as some people say, but I can see why some people would find it offensive. I have no doubt that the thread wouldn't have ended well.

DanGarion

07-11-2006, 10:09 AM

If you replace every instance of "Africa" and "African" with "Europe" and "European" it would have warranted the same reaction... At least from me and the other mods.
How about if it was Nazi's are animals? (I'm trying to find where the line is drawn.).

stevew

07-11-2006, 10:13 AM

JonInMiddleGA

07-11-2006, 10:14 AM

How about if it was Nazi's are animals? (I'm trying to find where the line is drawn.).

I'd say it'd probably be safe to use "capitalists" or "Christians" and there wouldn't be much of an outcry. "Republican" or "conservative" would obviously work without a problem.

WSUCougar

07-11-2006, 10:16 AM

this is why the people of Africa are all animals, and should be locked in cages just like animals
Quoted for reference.

The brutality of a select few has been transferred to the entire population of the continent. And please don't try and convince me that such wording was unintentional.

John Galt

07-11-2006, 10:16 AM

I'd say it'd probably be safe to use "capitalists" or "Christians" and there wouldn't be much of an outcry. "Republican" or "conservative" would obviously work without a problem.

Those poor, downtrodden white christian republican men are always the victims on this board. It must be rough.

WSUCougar

07-11-2006, 10:17 AM

You forgot wealthy.

John Galt

07-11-2006, 10:22 AM

You forgot wealthy.

I forgot the rolleyes smiley too. Oh well. ;)

JonInMiddleGA

07-11-2006, 10:23 AM

You forgot wealthy.

Dang. Sorry about that. I guess it was so obvious that it just slipped my mind.

Thanks.

DanGarion

07-11-2006, 10:29 AM

Quoted for reference.

The brutality of a select few has been transferred to the entire population of the continent. And please don't try and convince me that such wording was unintentional.
Yeah it's like that one country that had slaves 150 years ago, but the people that live there now are all responsible for it. I hate that.

duckman

07-11-2006, 10:30 AM

How lovely.

It's that fine homeschooling he got. :D

st.cronin

07-11-2006, 10:30 AM

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3958/snlpic3vk.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snlpic3vk.jpg)

:D

flere-imsaho

07-11-2006, 10:39 AM

That's a good idea, but at the very least there should be a statement explaining each and every boxing.

Thanks!

Here's a very simple example of what such an entry in the "Bannings/Boxings" thread would look like:

-------------------------------------------------

Action: Penalty Box, 2 Weeks

Poster: flere-imsaho

Thread Reference: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1194549#post1194549

Rationale: Posted posted an in-line gif showing an ultra-realistic stick figure humping a plastic penguin, in violation of our guidelines against posting non-appropriate pictures on FOFC. As this is a first offense, it was decided to Box, not Ban.

DanGarion

07-11-2006, 10:40 AM

Thanks!

Here's a very simple example of what such an entry in the "Bannings/Boxings" thread would look like:

-------------------------------------------------

Action: Penalty Box, 2 Weeks

Poster: flere-imsaho

Thread Reference: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1194549#post1194549

Rationale: Posted posted an in-line gif showing an ultra-realistic stick figure humping a plastic penguin, in violation of our guidelines against posting non-appropriate pictures on FOFC. As this is a first offense, it was decided to Box, not Ban.

Looks great!

wade moore

07-11-2006, 10:55 AM

HA: You have a PM from me on IHOF since you guys have blocked my user name from being created at the IFL board.

Glengoyne

07-11-2006, 10:58 AM

I do not take kindly to personal assaults like this.

You and I have had a private discussion on this issue and I believe I laid out very clearly the way I felt about the issue in very logical terms. I've had told you on NUMEROUS occasions that you are talking out of your ass without any facts to back up your claims and you continue to do so.

I will ask that you please cease and desist with the personal attacks. Not as a mod making threats, but as a fellow board member making the request.

Who's attacking anyone personally? Some guy comes along reads my post, doesn't put it in any sort of perspective, and reports me. Then a couple of mods come along, do ZERO amount of due dilligence and as far as I'm concerned don't string two thoughts together to even contemplate what I was posting about, and box me. I send an email that could best be summed up with "Boxed?, You've got to be kidding me!", and the next morning It is undone. I say revoked, you say "reduced to time served". I say the rest of the mod team got together and bought a clue, you say I deserved it. All I know is that I believe that my boxing was undeserved, and then almost before it started I was reinstated. I'm not going to stop bitching about it, because the mods continue to constrict on what is acceptable to post here, without any effort to communicate those restrictions to the community.

Note: Even if you did communicate the ever changing rules, I'd still be unhappy 'cause this place thrived when it was run pretty much without rules. Now there are too damn many of you looking for opportunities to moderate discussion when you all ought to be looking for reasons not to intervene.

WSUCougar

07-11-2006, 11:03 AM

Now there are too damn many of you looking for opportunities to moderate discussion when you all ought to be looking for reasons not to intervene.
That's the most hilarious thing I've seen all day.

Bubba Wheels

07-11-2006, 11:13 AM

This is where your (note the correct usage) assumption is dead wrong. I've met several of the posters of FOFC in real life at different times. We've talked, drank beers, the normal things that friends do. Just because first contact was made on an Internet message board, how is that any different from making friends with people you meet at work, church, or school? And how is using the Internet to bridge distances between people any different than calling a friend from school who lives on the other side of the country, or even in a different country? Being a friend means communicating, be it face to face, over the phone, via the Internet, or even the old fashioned way, writing letters.

Well, thought I covered that with the line...'unless, of course...' in the original post. What part of that was difficult for you to understand?

wade moore

07-11-2006, 11:15 AM

Who's attacking anyone personally?

Then a couple of mods come along, do ZERO amount of due dilligence and as far as I'm concerned don't string two thoughts together to even contemplate what I was posting about

You answered your own question there.

JonInMiddleGA

07-11-2006, 11:22 AM

I do not take kindly to personal assaults like this.

Oh cry us a river. If a mod fucks up then they're going to going to hear about it.

You and I have had a private discussion on this issue

That must be a favorite tactic of yours ... but here's the problem with it: when you fuck up in public then you're going to get called on it
in public.

Half-assed and/or half-witted moderation actions don't take place via PM, they're out in the open, so I don't believe it's likely that you can hide them from the world. And if you can't handle that then you either ought to stop fucking up or remove yourself from the equation.

wade moore

07-11-2006, 11:26 AM

Oh cry us a river. If a mod fucks up then they're going to going to hear about it.

That must be a favorite tactic of yours ... but here's the problem with it: when you fuck up in public then you're going to get called on it
in public.

Half-assed and/or half-witted moderation actions don't take place via PM, they're out in the open, so I don't believe it's likely that you can hide them from the world. And if you can't handle that then you either ought to stop fucking up or remove yourself from the equation.

You're misinterpreting. Personal attacks that stray away from the modding decision itself, I take private.

In Glengoyne's case, he has many facts wrong, and I've told him publicly multiple times. He continued to put those out there, so I discussed it with him privately so that I was not beating a dead horse in public. He continues to do so, so I am discussing it publicly again, although I think it's been beaten to death and Glen continues to state things that are just completley untrue and he has no basis for his statements.

I have no problems with questioning the mod decisions, but it can be done without direct personal attacks on the mods that make the decisions. I know this is a favorite argueing tactic of yours to just lash out with personal insults, but it really adds nothing to the discussion.

I will continue to use the PM feature when I want to discuss things that I believe are direct attacks on me personally rather than the merits of the modding decision. I see this as the appropriate way to handle such things.

TheOhioStateUniversity

07-11-2006, 11:28 AM

I cannot believe anyone is defending a statement like the one that started HA's rant......interesting.

this is why the people of Africa are all animals, and should be locked in cages just like animals

that is the dumbest statement I have heard in a long time and it reeks of racism and bigotry

JonInMiddleGA

07-11-2006, 11:34 AM

Blah Blah Blah Wah Wah Wah

Hell, I don't even remember what Glen was boxed for off the top of my head, but that isn't the point here -- the point is that if you fuck up then you're going to hear about it in the same venue in which you made the error.

If you don't want to be critiqued as an idiot, don't do idiotic stuff. Right now, it might serve you well to study the parable of the man who had carnal knowledge of the goat.

wade moore

07-11-2006, 11:35 AM

Hell, I don't even remember what Glen was boxed for off the top of my head, but that isn't the point here -- the point is that if you fuck up then you're going to hear about it in the same venue in which you made the error.

If you don't want to be critiqued as an idiot, don't do idiotic stuff. Right now, it might serve you well to study the parable of the man who had carnal knowledge of the goat.
You are a class act Jon.

Post whatever personal attacks you want without logical discussion of the issue. It just shows the kind of person you are. As I said, i have no problem being questioned, it just has little value when you just throw personal insults rather than logical discussion fo the issue.

Bubba Wheels

07-11-2006, 11:36 AM

I cannot believe anyone is defending a statement like the one that started HA's rant......interesting.

that is the dumbest statement I have heard in a long time and it reeks of racism and bigotry

Yeah, but its always interesting to me that the very folks usually against this kind of 'free speech' have no problems with flag-burning or swearing in public in front of kids and such. Besides, Africa has people of ALL ethnic backgrounds including white folks. Thus, you are making an (Cartman, this one's for you!) A S S U M P T I O N to call it 'racist' and 'bigoted.'

At least technically.