Werewolf XXXIII: Animal Farm (SEE POST #4 FOR ALL UPDATES)

[path12]

It will be a tough act to follow the insanity of Tanglewood's game, but this game is much more basic -- think of it as a palate cleanser of sorts. All roles will be public and posted at the beginning. I hope it will be an enjoyable game for both veterans and newer players alike.

I am looking to start on Monday the 11th with roles going out Sunday evening the 10th if we can get enough people signed up. (I'm hoping for at least 15). Day lynches will be 9PM Eastern and the night will run through 9AM Eastern. Advance night orders will always be accepted and may be conditional.

Signup list:
1. Anxiety
2. Greyroofoo
3. Swaggs
4. Chubby
5. Alan T
6. BrianD
7. RealDeal
8. GoldenEagle
9. Blade6119
10. ardent enthusiast
11. Dodgerchick
12. saldana
13. st. cronin
14. hoopsguy
15. Grammaticus
16. Passacaglia
17. Conflaguration
18. Lathum
19. Bek
20. bulletsponge

[path12]

Much has happened since Old Major, the prize-winning pig of Manor Farm called all the animals to a meeting to tell them of his dream. A dream where all animals live together with no human beings to oppress or control them. He tells them that they must work together to create such a paradise, and teaches them a song, "Beasts of England" which lyrically describes his vision. Sadly, Old Major died just three nights after this meeting, however a group of younger pigs, filled with grief for their loss but enthusiastic to make Major's dream come true, formulate his main principles into a philosophy called Animalism. The main tenets of Animalism are:

1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
3. No animal shall wear clothes.
4. No animal shall sleep in a bed.
5. No animal shall drink alcohol.
6. No animal shall kill any other animal.
7. All animals are equal.

Soon, the united animals spot their chance and manage to defeat Mr. Jones the farmer and drive him off the land. They renamed Manor Farm "Animal Farm" and dedicated themselves to achieving Major's dream. At first, the farm was a great success -- animals were taught to read, and were educated in the principles of Animalism. When Mr. Jones sought to retake his farm in what became known as the Battle of the Cowshed, the animals managed to defeat him again, and take his abandoned gun as a token of victory.

However, things have taken a turn for the worse lately. There are disagreements, schemes, sabotage. Are there revolutionaries amongst you? Rumors abound that they are ready to strike. Everyone is nervous -- can you root out the evil before Utopia is ruined?

The following roles are the only ones that will appear in the game. Any of these roles may or may not actually be in the game.

Good:

Snowball the Pig: Can view one other player at night via PM. Result of view will be evil/not evil. Has no PM privledges.

Boxer the Horse: Can protect one other player (or self) per night. Cannot protect the same person two nights in a row. If Boxer or the player they are guarding is attacked, there is a 25% chance the attack will kill Boxer. There is also a 50% chance he will be able to identify the attacker. Has no PM privledges.

Clover the Horse: Can view one lynch victim per night via PM. Will learn full role of player chosen. If this player dies, there is a 75% chance that Moses will learn his findings. One time per game can choose one other player to PM (submit name to GM at night) -- they will have PM privledges for that day only.

Moses the Raven: Can view one night kill victim per night via PM. Will learn full role of player chosen. If this player dies, there is a 75% chance that Clover will learn his findings. One time per game can choose one other player to PM (submit name to GM at night) -- they will have PM privledges for that day only.

Benjamin the Donkey: Can switch the lynch target to any player of his choice one time during the game.

Barnyard Animals: Pigs, sheep, hens, horses, donkeys -- the villagers of the farm with no special powers.

Evil:

Revolutionary (Napoleon or one of his attack dogs) -- you are hungry for control and will stop at nothing to become the leader of the farm. Once per night you may attempt to kill a player (revolutionaries must agree on the target and send one name only). Has full PM privledges with other revolutionaries. Knows the identity of the Sympathizer. Wins when there is a 1-1 ratio between good and evil (defined as revolutionaries and Pilkington).

Squealer the Propagandist -- Can view one player per night via PM. Result of view is seer/not seer only. Squealer counts as a villager in the overall ratio but will scan as (and win with) evil. Has no PM privledges.

Mr. Pilkington -- You own Pinchfield, a neighboring farm, but that isn't enough -- you want Animal Farm also. You are aware of the plot but decide to take matters into your own hands. Starting night 2 can attempt a night kill every three nights (N2, N5, N8). You will be exposed and your attempt will fail if bodyguard is protecting target or if bodyguard is the target. 1st attempt has a 90% chance of success, 2nd and 3rd attempts 50%. Knows the identity of one revolutionary. Has no PM privledges. You get a minor victory for surviving the game, major victory if you survive and the revolutionaries are successful.

Special:

Minimus the Sympathizer -- You start the game as a villager, have no special powers whatsoever and are not aware of your role. Once a revolutionary is killed (whether by lynch or by Mr. Pilkington) you realize that you are committed to the cause and will become a revolutionary with the full description and powers of that role. If scanned before conversion you will be seen as a villager, if scanned after conversion you will be seen as evil/revolutionary.

Tiebreak procedure: A player will be chosen at random to have the tiebreak power one time only. Once used, a new player will be chosen at random. Please do not reveal when you have the tiebreak upon pain of a sudden lightning bolt striking you down and out of the game.

There is no role reveal upon death.


These rules and roles are subject to revision over the next day or two but will be finalized by the time roles are assigned. If something isn't clear feel free to ask.

Last rule: Have fun!

[path12]

OFFICIAL PLAYER LISTING:

1. Anxiety -- KILLED NIGHT 3
2. Greyroofoo
3. Swaggs -- KILLED NIGHT 7
4. Chubby -- LYNCHED DAY 6
5. Alan T
6. BrianD -- LYNCHED DAY 4
7. RealDeal -- LYNCHED DAY 5
8. GoldenEagle -- LYNCHED DAY 7
9. Blade6119 -- KILLED NIGHT 5
10. ardent enthusiast -- replaced by Fouts day 4
11. Dodgerchick -- LYNCHED DAY 8
12. saldana -- KILLED NIGHT 1
13. st. cronin -- LYNCHED DAY 1
14. hoopsguy
15. Grammaticus -- KILLED NIGHT 4
16. Passacaglia
17. Conflaguration -- replaced by Thomkal night 4
18. Lathum -- KILLED NIGHT 2
19. Bek -- LYNCHED DAY 3
20. bulletsponge -- LYNCHED DAY 2

KEY POSTS:
#51 -- Game starts.
#241 -- Day 1 results.
#295 -- Night 1 results.
#467 -- Day 2 results.
#529 -- Night 2 results.
#781 -- Day 3 results.
#892 -- Night 3 results.
#1335 -- Day 4 results.
#1400 -- Night 4 results.
#1735 -- Day 5 results.
#1747 -- Night 5 results.
#1946 -- Day 6 results.
#2049 -- Day 7 results.
#2070 -- Night 7 results.
#2217 -- Day 8 results.

[Abe Sargent]

Here are the updated rules, lists, and more.


The game is over and the followers of Napoleon have won!


OFFICIAL PLAYER LISTING:

1. Anxiety -- KILLED NIGHT 3
2. Greyroofoo
3. Swaggs -- KILLED NIGHT 7
4. Chubby -- LYNCHED DAY 6
5. Alan T
6. BrianD -- LYNCHED DAY 4
7. RealDeal -- LYNCHED DAY 5
8. GoldenEagle -- LYNCHED DAY 7
9. Blade6119 -- KILLED NIGHT 5
10. ardent enthusiast -- replaced by Fouts day 4 - KILLED NIGHT 8
11. Dodgerchick -- LYNCHED DAY 8
12. saldana -- KILLED NIGHT 1
13. st. cronin -- LYNCHED DAY 1
14. hoopsguy
15. Grammaticus -- KILLED NIGHT 4
16. Passacaglia
17. Conflaguration -- replaced by Thomkal night 4 - LYNCHED DAY 9
18. Lathum -- KILLED NIGHT 2
19. Bek -- LYNCHED DAY 3
20. bulletsponge -- LYNCHED DAY 2

[Greyroofoo]

In, let's see if I can survive this game.

[bulletsponge]

how basic is basic?

[path12]

how basic is basic?

By basic I mean that the roles will be pretty standard and spelled out up front, so there won't be hidden roles. There will be a twist or two, of course, the main one being that there are no role reveals upon death, however there will be roles that can get that information.

[Swaggs]

I'll go one more before taking a break.

[Chubby]

in

[Alan T]

I'll play. I don't go out of the country until the 29th.

[BrianD]

I'll jump in again if you'll have me.

[Lorena]

Animal Farm? Heh, sounds interesting.

[path12]

Animal Farm? Heh, sounds interesting.

Is that a yes?

[RealDeal]

I'm in.

[GoldenEagle]

I am in.

[Blade6119]

realdeal needs someone to vote for on day one, so im in

[Abe Sargent]

Mine was XXX< tangle's was XXXI, so this should be XXXII, not XXXIII, right?

[Chief Rum]

I think there was a double count, and this actual is XXXIII. But not sure about that.

Unfortunately, I will have to bow out of this one. I go to Vegas the weekend of Sept. 15-17, and as a result, I work at my second job a lot during the week before. So that means I would be even less available than usual.

I will be following along with interest, though, and hope to get back in for the next one.

[Poli]

Ah, what the heck, pencil me in if you have a slot. I can guarantee I can't play like I used to out here though...since I have weird hours compared to back home.

[Lorena]

Is that a yes?

I love the description, I can definitely get into it... yes.

[saldana]

i'll not to be as stupid as last game. in.

[st.cronin]

in

[hoopsguy]

I'll play.

[path12]

Mine was XXX< tangle's was XXXI, so this should be XXXII, not XXXIII, right?


Cronin's was in there too between yours and Tanglewood....

[Grammaticus]

Count me in.

[Passacaglia]

Animal Farm? I am THERE.

[Conflaguration]

In.

[Lathum]

settled into my new house, i'm in.

[path12]

Well, we're getting to a good number here. I want to get your thoughts about starting a little early -- I could get roles out tonight and we could have a long day 1 over the weekend with a deadline at 9PM Eastern on Sunday, or we can just start Monday morning depending on what y'all think.....

[BrianD]

I'm not sure that getting a long day at the beginning will be overly helpful. Nobody knows what is going on at the start, so things are pretty random. Would there be a benefit to starting early?

[Alan T]

I enjoy starting early.. usually day 2 is the most active day, and a day 2 over a weekend can sometimes be alot of fun. Dunno if day 1 over the weekend will be as good.. but I'm all for starting early :)

[Abe Sargent]

Cronin's was in there too between yours and Tanglewood....

Ah yes, forgot about the game.

[hoopsguy]

I'm fine with whatever schedule you set.

[Lorena]

I would prefer a later start since Day 1 is usually a crapshoot.

[Greyroofoo]

i'm all for starting as early as possible

[Bek]

If it's not too late i would like to jump IN on this one

[tanglewood]

I think I'll sit this one out. GM'ing the previous game was hard work and I don't want to get WW burnout. Looks like you'll have a good turnout and a great game though. :)

[path12]

If it's not too late i would like to jump IN on this one

You got it. I think we'll hold it to 20 though, so one more opening!

[st.cronin]

I say send roles out anytime, but make Monday day 1.

[Blade6119]

I say send roles out anytime, but make Monday day 1.

The earlier the game starts, the earlier i get lynched...so i vote early

[path12]

OK, we'll do this: I will send roles out either late tonight or early tomorrow and posting can begin as soon as that is completed. We will leave the deadline at 9PM Eastern on Monday though, unless all votes are in and there is a majority that is ready to move forward.

Being my first GM game, I was just eager to get going!

[bulletsponge]

hey can i join still?

[bulletsponge]

i have peeps i want to kill ( chubby, Fouts)
peeps that will be more confused than me ( Dodgerchick)
and lots of animal smileys http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/spider[1].gif http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/piggy.gif http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/lion.gif http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/chicken.gif

[saldana]

vote bulletsponge i have had enough of the smileys ;)

[bulletsponge]

admit it, you like them http://www.smileyhut.com/love/roadkill.gif

[path12]

hey can i join still?

All right -- we've got a full farm, people! Roles will be forthcoming late tonight/early tomorrow.

[bulletsponge]

woot

[Blade6119]

vote bulletsponge i have had enough of the smileys ;)

VOTE SALDANA

I SAW HIM TALKING TO SOMEONE LAST NIGHT, HES LYING LYING LYING!!!

[Lorena]

i have peeps i want to kill ( chubby, Fouts)
peeps that will be more confused than me ( Dodgerchick)
and lots of animal smileys http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/spider[1].gif http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/piggy.gif http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/lion.gif http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/chicken.gif

Oh honey, it's gonna take a hell of a lot of games until I'm no longer confused :rolleyes:

vote bulletsponge i have had enough of the smileys ;)

Speak for yourself, I luv 'emhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/animal/002.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/animal/1118.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/animal/1.gif

:p

[path12]

Roles have now all been sent....if you have not received please let me know ASAP.

[path12]

Things have been tense on the farm. Animals that have long been friends now eye each other warily. There are rumors that a revolution is being planned, and that some animals might even be talking to some of the humans in the area. A watch has been put into place, with path12 the rooster manning it this night.

However in the morning, there is no cock crow, just an ominous silence. Going out to investigate you see path12, headless in the dirt, with a large message written next to him in blood: REVALOOSHUN NOOW!!! It appears your worst fears are confirmed.

Some of the sheep huddle together softly chanting "Four legs good, two legs bad", the rallying cry for those of the animals who as yet cannot read -- as if this will protect them from the fear that strikes all of you.

It is decided that the revolution must be stopped. You must investigate each other to find the culprits involved and save the farm. It is decided that a guilty party must be found, and justice served -- even if it means going against one of the commandments of Animalism......for the future of Animal Farm is at stake.

DAY 1 HAS BEGUN. DEADLINE IS 9PM EDT MONDAY. IF ALL VOTES ARE IN PRIOR TO THAT AND A MAJORITY OF PLAYERS AGREE THE DAY CAN END EARLIER.

[Abe Sargent]

So, how many of those damn "I'm not a wolf, I'm good" posts are we going to get?

[Poli]

Baaaaah. Baaaaah.

Stay away from my wool.

[saldana]

hey all, just so no one tries to say i am utr today, i am in a wedding and will be out the entire day....dont worry though blade, i am sure i will have enough time tomorrow and monday to lay another egg and get you lynched. :D

[hoopsguy]

Not the first time I've thought that path12 was a cock ;)

With a long weekend ahead of us I'm open for any creative Day 1 ideas.

[st.cronin]

Goat checking in.

[bulletsponge]

So, how many of those damn "I'm not a wolf, I'm good" posts are we going to get?

not me buddy, im a chicken eatin, leg humpin wolf http://www.smileyhut.com/naughty/humpy.gif http://www.calypso-blue.com/werewolf/images/wolfsmilies/shifthowl.gif

[bulletsponge]

hey all, just so no one tries to say i am utr today, i am in a wedding and will be out the entire day....dont worry though blade, i am sure i will have enough time tomorrow and monday to lay another egg and get you lynched. :D

get some Bridesmaids booty for the rest of us http://www.smileyhut.com/excited/woot_jump.gif

[Conflaguration]

Goat checking in.

I don't understand that at all, why people say "villager checking in" or somewhatzit. As if we're going to lynch you for not saying it, or it has any effect on who we're going to go for.

"Hey, I'd lynch st.cronin, but he said he was a Goat checking in. Now I'm not sure..."

Bizzare, eh?

[Conflaguration]

And if you want to know, I'm merely a horse. ;)

[hoopsguy]

It is one of those WW game phenomenon that is usually just as useless as you are pointing out. The only time it isn't is when people angle-shoot (sometimes inadvertantly) with content from their PMs. For example, if all the ordinary villagers are goats and the rest of the people are different animals, then maybe a player starts to use the first people to say "goat" as the basis for a safe list.

[GoldenEagle]

Eat more chikin'

[st.cronin]

I just wanted to say "goat checking in."

[Swaggs]

I'm here. Not a villager.

Just a simple farm animal checking in. :)

[RealDeal]

i'm a hen. bleh.

[Conflaguration]

It is one of those WW game phenomenon that is usually just as useless as you are pointing out. The only time it isn't is when people angle-shoot (sometimes inadvertantly) with content from their PMs. For example, if all the ordinary villagers are goats and the rest of the people are different animals, then maybe a player starts to use the first people to say "goat" as the basis for a safe list.

Thanks for clearing things up, then. :)

[Passacaglia]

Hey all -- I'm a normal pig.

[hoopsguy]

Interesting - looks like there is a good seer and a bad seer, but neither of them PM with the bad guys.

I would like to remind the guys who are collecting this information to take special note of the early scans that come up villager. Those guys cannot be assumed to remain in a circle of trust after the first Revolutionary dies as there is the Sympathizer role.

Which creates kind of an interesting dynamic. I believe our best case scenario is to:
1.) Have the good seer identify a revolutionary (duh)
2.) Failing that, have him hit on players with good special roles (lock in people in the circle of trust)
3.) Have the bad seer hit nothing but ordinary villagers, where he can't confirm if they have been turned

I also think this presents an interesting game for the people who get post-death information since there are no public role reveals upon death.

On surface, this looks like a pretty simple game but as I'm pondering this I think there are going to be some fun/complex decisions for the roled players to make.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - getting a revolutionary early is a very big edge because from that point on we can bank on a circle of trust that includes ordinary villagers.

[Abe Sargent]

Interesting - looks like there is a good seer and a bad seer, but neither of them PM with the bad guys.

I would like to remind the guys who are collecting this information to take special note of the early scans that come up villager. Those guys cannot be assumed to remain in a circle of trust after the first Revolutionary dies as there is the Sympathizer role.

Which creates kind of an interesting dynamic. I believe our best case scenario is to:
1.) Have the good seer identify a revolutionary (duh)
2.) Failing that, have him hit on players with good special roles (lock in people in the circle of trust)
3.) Have the bad seer hit nothing but ordinary villagers, where he can't confirm if they have been turned

I also think this presents an interesting game for the people who get post-death information since there are no public role reveals upon death.

On surface, this looks like a pretty simple game but as I'm pondering this I think there are going to be some fun/complex decisions for the roled players to make.


REaeding the rules, SNowball can only see evil/not evil, and cannot determine roles.

[Poli]

At least I'll be able to read the rules tomorrow. :)Good night, all.GO VOLS!

[hoopsguy]

Good catch, Anxiety. And the bad seer only gets to see seer/no seer. So the roles aspect doesn't come into play at all.

OK, guess we are still at a point where we are clearly incented to get a bad guy ASAP to reduce suspicion around a safe list.

Given these restrictions, if we don't get the early hit then we are going to get much better information from the guys who reveal the dead.

[Alan T]

Day one strategy? I usually assume anyone I pick day 1 is on our side and its a horrible vote. Maybe I should change it to where instead I vote for who I think is least likely to be bad on day 1.

[bulletsponge]

ok gotta get this out of the way

Vote Chubby hehe

[Alan T]

I'll go ahead and throw out my day 1 vote

Vote hoops

I think we've been on the same side once ever? So that means odds are he's bad here!

[hoopsguy]

Sure, was thinking hard about doing the same thing, Alan. You just gave me an in-game reason.

VOTE ALAN T

[st.cronin]

VOTE CONFLAGURATION


Vote for the new guy/gal.

[bulletsponge]

theres a new guy?

[Lorena]

Baaaa

Simple goat checking in... beware of my horns humans!

Just kinda picked a name out of a bucket:

Vote Bek

[Chubby]

baaaaah just an ordinary sheep here.

Vote bulletsponge

[bulletsponge]

baaaaah just an ordinary sheep here.

Vote bulletsponge

i know your a wolf in sheeps clothing :rolleyes:

[Lorena]

i know your a wolf in sheeps clothing :rolleyes:

Clever, very clever :D

[Fouts]

Key to surviving WW - accuse everyone and their brother/sister, thereby making yourself only slightly suspicious.

[Blade6119]

Key to surviving WW - accuse everyone and their brother/sister, thereby making yourself only slightly suspicious.

How wrong you are...have you seen how often i die?

[Greyroofoo]

vote blade

[tanglewood]

lol, whoops. :)

[Abe Sargent]

How wrong you are...have you seen how often i die?

True, true.

[hoopsguy]

And the votes were flying today, considering we are 40+ hours from lynch time.

Chubby - Bullet (74)
Hoops - AlanT (75)
AlanT - Hoops (76)
Conflag - Cronin (77)
Bek - DC (79)
Bullet - Chubby (80)
Blade - Grey (85)

[Poli]

Woo! I'm not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes this time. :)

[Blade6119]

lol, whoops. :)

TANGLE, YOU KNOW BETTER....NO EDITING

[Poli]

Whoops. :)

[Blade6119]

vote blade

VOTE GREYROOFOO

Right back at ya captain crunch

[Greyroofoo]

smack

[GoldenEagle]

VOTE GREYROOFOO

Right back at ya captain crunch

So what happens if someone else votes for you?

[Greyroofoo]

So what happens if someone else votes for you?

one way to find out :)

[GoldenEagle]

It is kind of odd. Before I started playing, I did not not like Blade for whatever reason. But now, the little guy is grown on me. I can't vote for him on Day 1.

I think I am going to vote for the hottest person in this game. So, um, Dodgerchick.

<b>Vote Dodgerchick</b>

*I reserve the right to change this vote.

[Conflaguration]

VOTE CONFLAGURATION


Vote for the new guy/gal.

Lynch me on the first day of my first ever Werewolf game, eh?

VOTE ST.CRONIN

[Passacaglia]

Looks like we haven't heard from: BrianD, Lathum, Bek. Of course, it's still early.

[hoopsguy]

OK, at this point we have ten votes for ten different players. We aren't going to learn anything from this, unless we decide to take it out to its most ridiculous end and have everyone with one vote. There are a lot of vote for/vote against pairs out there right now and I'm going to back out of mine.

Alan T is a good player and a guy I enjoy playing these games with/against. The fact that we are rarely on the same team has no bearing on whether we are on the same team this time around.

UNVOTE ALAN T

[Lorena]

And the votes were flying today, considering we are 40+ hours from lynch time.

Chubby - Bullet (74)
Hoops - AlanT (75)
AlanT - Hoops (76)
Conflag - Cronin (77)
Bek - DC (79)
Bullet - Chubby (80)
Blade - Grey (85)

So uh... what do those numbers mean?

[Lorena]

Duh, nvm, post #'s.

My fingers are faster than my brain.

[saldana]

they are the post numbers of the votes

[Alan T]

So uh... what do those numbers mean?

What post # they voted that in.


As for 1st day voting strategy, the only game I have ever been right about my day 1 vote was the game where we had a night 0 and neon_chaos luckily nailed a bad guy night 0.. Of course I was lynched day 3 that game and we ended up losing it anyways!

I guess I am all ears for what day 1 strats should be. I have yet to find one I like. Usually all I learn from day 1 is that alot of people don't know who the bad guys are. I don't have a problem jumping on someone else who has a vote, but give me some reason to I suppose..

[Alan T]

Dola


woops didnt see page 3 where the question was already answered.

Also for clarification, the last part of my previous post was directed at hoops more than dodgerchick who I quoted.

Sorry if Im really confusing in the morning :)

[st.cronin]

There has been at least one game where day 1 followed a night 0 - so there was some possibility of having some information. Otherwise, the only success villagers have really had day 1 is in cheating, by sending out codes or indirect quotes from their role pms.

[Swaggs]

Vote Lathum

He and BrianD seem to be the only ones that have not checked in yet, so flip a coin and I came up with Lathum this time.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Lathum

He and BrianD seem to be the only ones that have not checked in yet, so flip a coin and I came up with Lathum this time.



That's a bit unfair considering the fact that the game wasn't even supposed to begin until tomorrow, and yet you are voting for someone who hasn't logged on yet? A bit anxious to vote for someone?


Vote Swaggs

[Swaggs]

That's a bit unfair considering the fact that the game wasn't even supposed to begin until tomorrow, and yet you are voting for someone who hasn't logged on yet? A bit anxious to vote for someone?


Vote Swaggs

Isn't the deadline tonight?

[Blade6119]

Isn't the deadline tonight?

I was under the impression it was monday night

[stevew]

Is this game about animal house?

[Alan T]

I also thought the deadline was monday night

[stevew]

So did I.

[Blade6119]

Is this game about animal house?
No, George Orwells novel Animal Farm

[stevew]

No, George Orwells novel Animal Farm

Is that the sequel to animal house?

[Blade6119]

Is that the sequel to animal house?

No, its about a collection of farm animals who revolt against their human owners and create their own animal utopian society. Unfortunately, certain animals wish to have power over the others, and a totalitarian struggle ensues between good and evil

[path12]

The deadline for Day 1 is Monday at 9PM Eastern. If all votes are in and a majority wish to end it earlier, we can.

[Abe Sargent]

Path, I certainly would NOT vote to end it early. Once you announce a time, I think ya gotta stick with it.

[Abe Sargent]

Hit enter too soon. Meant to add

Barring some sort of unusual circumstance

[st.cronin]

Agree with Anxiety.

[Alan T]

yeah, might as well keep it monday night at the normal time.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, my personal opinion is that the best Day 1 strategy is to have the group collectively identify a small (2-3) number of targets and see where the voting patterns fall. Pretty much like any other day without evidence.

What sucks are the many varied reasons for coming up with that initial list. Usually they are pretty whimsical, and/or involve meta-game logic, but I'm pretty sure that is the best way to go on Day 1.

[Swaggs]

The deadline for Day 1 is Monday at 9PM Eastern. If all votes are in and a majority wish to end it earlier, we can.

DOH!

Well, we'll see what happens as far as the current no shows. I can always switch my vote.

[Swaggs]

Also, I think it is a bad idea to switch deadlines, as well.

[Blade6119]

So bek, how was your day?

[Bek]

ok all. no worries bek is here. Hope all of your weekends are going well. I like the picking the name out of a hat for day one, seen as how it is a shoot in the dark anyways...so ill be back with a vote in awhile

[Bek]

So bek, how was your day?

good, had a nice lunch of hay and corn...drank from the trough and then had a nice nap...

[Blade6119]

good, had a nice lunch of hay and corn...drank from the trough and then had a nice nap...
Im surprised i didnt see you at the trough, i was there from like 1:00-1:06! Wow, we must have just missed each other! What a crazy coincidence!

Now seriously, how was your day buddy?

[Bek]

lol...good good...caught crap from the parents...something about a green pool, did some homework and then my teacher said he couldnt find an assignment...but its all good now, so im happy...

[Blade6119]

lol...good good...caught crap from the parents...something about a green pool, did some homework and then my teacher said he couldnt find an assignment...but its all good now, so im happy...

Thats what she wanted when she called? She wanted you to clean the pool? You dont even live there anymore lol...dude, the HH tonight, it was money...not as good as the OG yesterday, but good. Like, im just relaxed right now...you know what i mean bro?

[Bek]

Thats what she wanted when she called? She wanted you to clean the pool? You dont even live there anymore lol...dude, the HH tonight, it was money...not as good as the OG yesterday, but good. Like, im just relaxed right now...you know what i mean bro?

i dont...im still starving...but if i was full im sure i would know...its time to pick the name from the hat

[Bek]

and the luck winner is...

Vote BrianD

sry bud

[Blade6119]

i dont...im still starving...but if i was full im sure i would know...its time to pick the name from the hat

Your welcome to come on over, and either bring some jack or order some pizza or something...ill prob. end up pushing off my school work till the morning anyways

[Bek]

Your welcome to come on over, and either bring some jack or order some pizza or something...ill prob. end up pushing off my school work till the morning anyways

and we wonder why you are a student???...you on the 6 year plan there ds???

[Poli]

I'll have to make a vote in the next 7 hours.

[Bek]

I'll have to make a vote in the next 7 hours.

that would be a good idea...just joshin ya...that's what us ass' do

[Blade6119]

I'll have to make a vote in the next 7 hours.

You know you cant vote for the DC, even though our unit is going to show your offense up badly

[Blade6119]

and we wonder why you are a student???...you on the 6 year plan there ds???

Dont make me start comparing who goes to the better college..you know ill win hands down, in academics and girls :D

[Bek]

Dont make me start comparing who goes to the better college..you know ill win hands down, in academics and girls :D

it's not the college...its how you apply yourself...and i win that

[Blade6119]

it's not the college...its how you apply yourself...and i win that

Point taken there, you are more motivated then me in our studies...thanks for getting me all depressed now matt...you just destroyed my self-confidence...im going to go cry in the corner for awhile

[Bek]

Point taken there, you are more motivated then me in our studies...thanks for getting me all depressed now matt...you just destroyed my self-confidence...im going to go cry in the corner for awhile

dont worry about it...im sure they oreo cookie smoothie i have for you will cheer you up...

[Blade6119]

dont worry about it...im sure they oreo cookie smoothie i have for you will cheer you up...

so what, 20 mins? Call me before you leave your place

[Chief Rum]

I don't have a vote, but I want to vote out both Blade and Bek to stop the buddy chat.

[Lorena]

Yeah, go mingle in the barn next door or something

[Lathum]

vote swaggs

should be obvious

[Swaggs]

vote swaggs

should be obvious

I don't mind you voting for me, since I voted for you.

It is strange that Anxiety, on day 1, would come out and "defend" you, though.

[Poli]

No Schmidty? Hmm. I'll vote Anxiety, he's first on the list of players.

VOTE ANXIETY

[Swaggs]

No Schmidty? Hmm. I'll vote Anxiety, he's first on the list of players.

VOTE ANXIETY

Nice timing to make us look attached. :)

I hope you are good.

[Poli]

It's 8:15 am. What else am I supposed to do?

[Poli]

If anyone's wondering how I did that...

I realize I have to get a vote in the next few hours as I won't be online again before the deadline. I hate voting on the first day and usually just vote Schmidty. It didn't dawn on me to vote Schmidty until a few minutes ago.

So I clicked on the first page, noticed he wasn't there. Went to the quick reply window and typed the stuff up. Never saw Swaggs comments until I had already posted my vote.

[hoopsguy]

Updated vote counts:

Chubby - Bullet (74)
Hoops - AlanT (75)
Conflag - Cronin (77)
Bek - DC (79)
Bullet - Chubby (80)
Blade - Grey (85)
Grey - Blade (92)
Dodger - Golden (96)
Cronin - Conflag (97)
Lathum - Swaggs (106)
Swaggs - Anxiety (107), Lathum (144)
BrianD - Bek (131)
Anxiety - Ardent (146)

Not Voted - BrianD, RealDeal, Saldana, Grammaticus, Passacaglia, Hoopsguy

[Poli]

Good luck, fellas. I'm about out of here for the day/night.

[saldana]

since it went so well for me in the last game (and because he is one of the few people that doesnt have one yet)

vote realdeal

[Passacaglia]

I think BrianD is the only person we haven't heard from.

VOTE BRIAND

[path12]

Two things.

First, yes, the deadline is not going to move at this point. Sorry for the confusion.

Secondly, thank you for the recap, hoops. I sent my master sheet to the office this morning, but it does not seem to have arrived.

[BrianD]

I think BrianD is the only person we haven't heard from.

VOTE BRIAND

Wow, bad weekend to be out of town. I'll have to remember in the future to not go away on a weekend before the game starts.

I'm here and done with my Monday morning meeting. I find it interesting that people are revealing their animal. We have a few specific animals for roles, and it will be easy to narrow those roles down if everyone is so free with their animals...

[hoopsguy]

Path, a couple of quick questions:
1. Can we assume that Pilkington shows up as evil on Snowball's view?
2. Does it take any action for the bad guys to "activate" the sympathizer? Or, to be more direct, do they retain their kill for that night action in addition to gaining Minimus?
3. Just want to clarify - the sympathizer was randomly generated among the ordinary villagers/animals, not all animals, correct? Cannot be a special role like Clover or Moses?

[Passacaglia]

Wow, bad weekend to be out of town. I'll have to remember in the future to not go away on a weekend before the game starts.

I'm here and done with my Monday morning meeting. I find it interesting that people are revealing their animal. We have a few specific animals for roles, and it will be easy to narrow those roles down if everyone is so free with their animals...

Dude, it's just one vote! I don't think you're actually suffering from being out of town.

[Blade6119]

Dude, it's just one vote! I don't think you're actually suffering from being out of town.

Bek voted him already too, so your vote made him the vote leader i believe(or tied for it)

[Alan T]

Bek voted him already too, so your vote made him the vote leader i believe(or tied for it)

He's tied for it I think if my count is correct

[BrianD]

Tied for the lead indeed. I guess now I need to

Vote Swaggs

to save my skin.

[Passacaglia]

Vote Lathum

He and BrianD seem to be the only ones that have not checked in yet, so flip a coin and I came up with Lathum this time.

I know Bek ended up checking in later, but at the time you posted this, Swaggs, he hadn't. Why didn't you mention him?

[Passacaglia]

Bek voted him already too, so your vote made him the vote leader i believe(or tied for it)

My bad, I missed Bek's vote amidst all the chatting. Anyway, BrianD, now that you're here, I'm willing to move the vote.

[Lathum]

Sorry I have been kind of quiet. We moved last week and spent all weekend unpacking, etc... plus, I am on dial up right now because the phone jack in the office doesn't work so we can't get our DSL untill they come today to fix the jack so I am not as eager to log on and check the thread.

[BrianD]

My bad, I missed Bek's vote amidst all the chatting. Anyway, BrianD, now that you're here, I'm willing to move the vote.

I'm not really upset that you voted for me. Sure, I would prefer that you vote for someone else, but I was just trying to mix things up a big. Nobody deserves a vote on day 1, so it is pretty much unfair to whomever gets kicked out early.

[path12]

Path, a couple of quick questions:
1. Can we assume that Pilkington shows up as evil on Snowball's view?
2. Does it take any action for the bad guys to "activate" the sympathizer? Or, to be more direct, do they retain their kill for that night action in addition to gaining Minimus?
3. Just want to clarify - the sympathizer was randomly generated among the ordinary villagers/animals, not all animals, correct? Cannot be a special role like Clover or Moses?

1. Correct. Pilkington would show up as evil if viewed by Snowball.

2. The sympathizer will be activated automatically once a revolutionary is killed. The revolutionaries would retain their night kill for that night.

3. Correct again. The sympathizer currently believes they are a Barnyard Animal.

[Grammaticus]

I’ll vote for someone who has not yet voted, seems like as good a reason as any at this point.

Realdeal

[path12]

Current vote count through post #166:

Swaggs 3 -- Anxiety (107), Lathum (144), BrianD (160)
BrianD 2 -- Bek (131), Passacaglia (153)
RealDeal 2 -- saldana (152), Grammaticus (166)
Chubby 1 -- bulletsponge (74)
hoops 1 -- Alan T (75)
Conflaguration 1 -- st.cronin (77)
Bek 1 -- Dodgerchick (79)
bulletsponge 1 -- Chubby (80)
Greyroofoo 1 -- Blade (85)
Blade6119 1 -- Greyroofoo (92)
Dodgerchick 1 -- GoldenEagle (96)
st.cronin 1 -- Conflaguration (97)
Lathum 1 -- Swaggs (106)
Anxiety 1 -- ardent (146)

Not voting: hoopsguy, RealDeal

[saldana]

I’ll vote for someone who has not yet voted, seems like as good a reason as any at this point.

Realdeal

not to be a stickler or anything, but gram's vote shouldnt count.

[Grammaticus]

Okay,

VOTE Realdeal

Sorry

[RealDeal]

Probably going to change, but I'll vote for someone who I haven't seen much in WW games and has been a little under the radar. Nothing personal.

Vote Conflaguration

[BrianD]

Okay,

VOTE Realdeal

Sorry

Is it bad to have the same person get voted out first in two consecutive games?

[Swaggs]

I know Bek ended up checking in later, but at the time you posted this, Swaggs, he hadn't. Why didn't you mention him?

Bek had already voted when I posted it.

[Swaggs]

My bad, I missed Bek's vote amidst all the chatting. Anyway, BrianD, now that you're here, I'm willing to move the vote.

Gotcha. No problem.

[Swaggs]

Self preservation time, unfortunately. But, at least the choice was made easier for me, since he voted for me.

Unvote Lathum.

Vote BrianD.

[BrianD]

Self preservation time, unfortunately. But, at least the choice was made easier for me, since he voted for me.

Unvote Lathum.

Vote BrianD.

We could work out a deal....gang up on someone else? :)

[Swaggs]

We could work out a deal....gang up on someone else? :)

Since Lathum has since checked in and I was wrong about the deadline, I was already thinking about switching to Anxiety, since he kind of oddly defended Lathum after I voted for him. Sticking your neck out for someone else is kind of a strange thing to do on day 1, so that has stuck to me in the early going.

[BrianD]

Since Lathum has since checked in and I was wrong about the deadline, I was already thinking about switching to Anxiety, since he kind of oddly defended Lathum after I voted for him. Sticking your neck out for someone else is kind of a strange thing to do on day 1, so that has stuck to me in the early going.

Works for me.

Unvote Swaggs
Vote Anxiety

[Passacaglia]

Bek had already voted when I posted it.

No he hadn't. Your post was #106. Bek's vote was #131.

[Swaggs]

No he hadn't. Your post was #106. Bek's vote was #131.

My bad. I had been looking at hoops' vote tally and saw Bek's name on it, but looking at it again, it was b/c DC had voted for him, not because he had voted.

[Swaggs]

Even though Anxiety is fellow Mountaineer alum, I feel better about my vote this way:

Unvote Brian D

Vote Anxiety

[path12]

Vote count through post #180:

Anxiety 3 -- ardent (146), BrianD (177), Swaggs (180)
BrianD 2 -- Bek (131), Passacaglia (153)
Swaggs 2 -- Anxiety (107), Lathum (144)
RealDeal 2 -- saldana (152), Grammaticus (169)
Conflaguration 2 -- st.cronin (77), RealDeal (170)
Chubby 1 -- bulletsponge (74)
hoops 1 -- Alan T (75)
Bek 1 -- Dodgerchick (79)
bulletsponge 1 -- Chubby (80)
Greyroofoo 1 -- Blade (85)
Blade6119 1 -- Greyroofoo (92)
Dodgerchick 1 -- GoldenEagle (96)
st.cronin 1 -- Conflaguration (97)

Not voting: hoopsguy

[Passacaglia]

My bad. I had been looking at hoops' vote tally and saw Bek's name on it, but looking at it again, it was b/c DC had voted for him, not because he had voted.

But geez, it was just post #98 when I said we hadn't heard from Lathum, Bek, and BrianD! Then 8 posts later, you come in with the same type of comment, leave one out, and throw in a vote as well? I understand the mistake but...well, there's not much else to go on Day 1.

[Swaggs]

But geez, it was just post #98 when I said we hadn't heard from Lathum, Bek, and BrianD! Then 8 posts later, you come in with the same type of comment, leave one out, and throw in a vote as well? I understand the mistake but...well, there's not much else to go on Day 1.

Hey, I explained myself.

Do what you gotta do.

[Abe Sargent]

Since Lathum has since checked in and I was wrong about the deadline, I was already thinking about switching to Anxiety, since he kind of oddly defended Lathum after I voted for him. Sticking your neck out for someone else is kind of a strange thing to do on day 1, so that has stuck to me in the early going.

I didn't defend Lathum, I attacked you. You could have voted for anyone and I would have still voted for you. So, not only do you jump on someone who is not checked in early, but then you also misrepresent what I say. Seems fishy to me.

-Anxiety

[Swaggs]

I didn't defend Lathum, I attacked you. You could have voted for anyone and I would have still voted for you. So, not only do you jump on someone who is not checked in early, but then you also misrepresent what I say. Seems fishy to me.

-Anxiety

I thought the vote was due last night and wasn't sure of my availability the rest of the day, so I voted for one of the handful of players who hadn't checked in yet. I explained why I voted for him in the post I voted in and, a few posts later, I acknowledged that I was confused about the deadline.

Why is that any more fishy than picking a name out of a hat, picking the hottest player, voting based on prior games' results, or any other useless reason to vote for someone on Day 1?

On the other hand, you attacking me for making a first vote against someone that had no votes up until that point, is fishy. :)

[bulletsponge]

my head hurts

[Abe Sargent]

I thought the vote was due last night and wasn't sure of my availability the rest of the day, so I voted for one of the handful of players who hadn't checked in yet.


That's what you *claim*


-Anxiety

[Swaggs]

That's what you *claim*


-Anxiety

Not a claim. A fact that is pretty apparent. It is also a fact that you strangely came out of nowhere to jump on me--maybe you know something about me or Lathum that caused you to do that?

Hopefully, if anything good comes of this, it will divide the rest of the crew to vote for one or the other of us and leave a voting trail. That way, if I get lynched, it won't be for nothing.

I am, in all likelihood, out until close to the deadline, if not after it. Should be some interesting reading for me to catch up on when I get back.

[Conflaguration]

Probably going to change, but I'll vote for someone who I haven't seen much in WW games and has been a little under the radar. Nothing personal.

Vote Conflaguration


Under the radar? Sorry, force of habit, what with my lurking days and all.

Eh, what else do you want me to say? It's the first day, we have nothing to go on, my vote has been for someone who's voted for me for pointing something ridiculous out, should I be doing something else I'm not aware of?

[RealDeal]

no worries, conflag. Like I said, I have to vote for someone. No one has a particularly good reason to vote for anyone on day 1. My vote will probably change anyway once we start seeing a couple of candidates break out of the pack.

[Conflaguration]

no worries, conflag.

Actually, I was over-reacting to your statements to prove a point. ;) No worries here either. :)

[Blade6119]

Well, we have anxiety getting ganged up on by 2 of the 3 2nd place vote getters...getting interesting indeed...considering swapping to realdeal to make it even more interesting. I think the closer this vote is, the better. Hopefully ones a wolf and we force their hand a little...not sure yet, but my retalitory vote on grey means nothing and unlike many other people i dont hide on day 1.

[Blade6119]

dola, hoops needs to make a move soon...im always interested in where he goes, now more so then ever since he is the last non-vote and its a close race

[BrianD]

I would love to keep an eye on this race (especially since I am in danger), but I'm off to dinner and class. Hopefully we'll learn stuff from today and have a more lively round tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm going to be voting between Anxiety and Swaggs at this point.

Didn't figure I would end up as the last non-voter with this much time between now and the deadline. But since we are at that point, I'll probably hold off until I can actually do more than skim the afternoon posts. I'm hoping we have something here - and I don't let myself get hopeful on Day 1 all that often.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I'm going to be voting between Anxiety and Swaggs at this point.

Didn't figure I would end up as the last non-voter with this much time between now and the deadline. But since we are at that point, I'll probably hold off until I can actually do more than skim the afternoon posts. I'm hoping we have something here - and I don't let myself get hopeful on Day 1 all that often.

Why not brian or realdeal? both are right there in the race...sorry, im starting our dance early

[RealDeal]

unvote Conflag
vote Blade

Hey, why not blade? He's in the race, too. Why not vote for him? He's right in it. Hey, let's mix things up a little bit. Hey, I want to pk three or four villagers real quick before people get sick of me and kill me off. Hey, I can be like blade, too. Hey, you know he's acting really suspicious, talking to bek in the thread like a teenage girl on the phone after school. Hey, look Blade has two votes already, why not him?

[GoldenEagle]

<b>Unvote Dodgerchick</b>

I guess it is time to get serious on Day 1.

[Lathum]

unvote Conflag
vote Blade

Hey, why not blade? He's in the race, too. Why not vote for him? He's right in it. Hey, let's mix things up a little bit. Hey, I want to pk three or four villagers real quick before people get sick of me and kill me off. Hey, I can be like blade, too. Hey, you know he's acting really suspicious, talking to bek in the thread like a teenage girl on the phone after school. Hey, look Blade has two votes already, why not him?

i love werewolf.

[Blade6119]

unvote Conflag
vote Blade

Hey, why not blade? He's in the race, too. Why not vote for him? He's right in it. Hey, let's mix things up a little bit. Hey, I want to pk three or four villagers real quick before people get sick of me and kill me off. Hey, I can be like blade, too. Hey, you know he's acting really suspicious, talking to bek in the thread like a teenage girl on the phone after school. Hey, look Blade has two votes already, why not him?

I have done nothing to provoke this...just dissapointing...and people call me immature :(

[path12]

Through post #199:

Anxiety 3 -- ardent (146), BrianD (177), Swaggs (180)
BrianD 2 -- Bek (131), Passacaglia (153)
Swaggs 2 -- Anxiety (107), Lathum (144)
RealDeal 2 -- saldana (152), Grammaticus (169)
Blade6119 2 -- Greyroofoo (92), RealDeal (197)
Conflaguration 1 -- st.cronin (77)
Chubby 1 -- bulletsponge (74)
hoops 1 -- Alan T (75)
Bek 1 -- Dodgerchick (79)
bulletsponge 1 -- Chubby (80)
Greyroofoo 1 -- Blade (85)
st.cronin 1 -- Conflaguration (97)

Not voting: hoopsguy, GoldenEagle

[Blade6119]

i love werewolf.

I love when people always assume im the one who starts this stuff...if i respond to his taunts, im being blade..if i dont, im still a dick

[Abe Sargent]

Blade, if it makes ya feel better, I've never voted for you for any reason other than an in game reason.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Lathum and Blade, you are both on right now. Here's an interesting question. I may have to move my vote off Swaggs (who is acting oddly) for pure self defense reasons. The only options right now are Blade, BrianD and RealDeal. I'm not jumping right now, but of those three, which one would you vote for and why?

[Blade6119]

Lathum and Blade, you are both on right now. Here's an interesting question. I may have to move my vote off Swaggs (who is acting oddly) for pure self defense reasons. The only options right now are Blade, BrianD and RealDeal. I'm not jumping right now, but of those three, which one would you vote for and why?

Well 1 is me, so i dont think i would vote myself. Another is the one attacking me, so my judgement might be clouded there. Brian was quite happy to gang up on you, with swaggs.

Id wait to move your vote. Hoops was considering voting swaggs, and i want to move my vote. Im just trying to make sure i dont let my emotions push me in a certain way if the clues lead elsewhere.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, I don;t expect to do it for a while, but I want to be thinking about it.

[Abe Sargent]

hoops, saldana, any ideas?

[Blade6119]

Oh, I don;t expect to do it for a while, but I want to be thinking about it.

Im willing to work with you...i would prefer if you didnt die on day 1, as you are always fun to play with/against.

[saldana]

hoops, saldana, any ideas?

not really a big fan of the the move swaggs/briand just pulled on you and was thinking about going to swaggs....reason for him instead of brian is that swaggs was using your "standing up for lathum" as a reason to vote for you....

he has been in enough games to have seen people answer for other people before...i have done it hundreds of times if someone is being accused of going UTR, but i know why they arent here (like when you are a no show every tuesday). i thought that for him to say that no one ever stands up for another player unless they have something to hide was odd, possibly just trying to drum up a run on someone

and since it is day one, which means we all basically got nothing, thats the strongest case i could build.

[Abe Sargent]

Fair enough saldana.

[Alan T]

Is it just me or are alot of people stirring up alot of stuff on day 1.. Im not really sure why people are jumping at each other for early maneuvering.. my assumption is that usually day 1 we're all off track anyways and are just fighting amongst ourselves..

I think to make a whole bunch of fuss that will set us in the wrong direction for days is kind of silly.

[Blade6119]

Is it just me or are alot of people stirring up alot of stuff on day 1.. Im not really sure why people are jumping at each other for early maneuvering.. my assumption is that usually day 1 we're all off track anyways and are just fighting amongst ourselves..

I think to make a whole bunch of fuss that will set us in the wrong direction for days is kind of silly.

See, but what if this is the time were not. We have had day 1s, at least 4-5, with wolves in close duels. Even 2 i think that were wolf-wolf. Usually the wolves get off...ya, sometimes its villager villager, but sometimes theres a wolf. I think we have to take a chance and hope we get a wolf in a runoff

[path12]

One note: Commute + gym = results when I get done (prob around 10 Eastern). All votes after 9 will not count of course......and night orders/tiebreaks are welcome anytime.

[Swaggs]

I am back early and catching up.

[Swaggs]

not really a big fan of the the move swaggs/briand just pulled on you and was thinking about going to swaggs....reason for him instead of brian is that swaggs was using your "standing up for lathum" as a reason to vote for you....

he has been in enough games to have seen people answer for other people before...i have done it hundreds of times if someone is being accused of going UTR, but i know why they arent here (like when you are a no show every tuesday). i thought that for him to say that no one ever stands up for another player unless they have something to hide was odd, possibly just trying to drum up a run on someone

and since it is day one, which means we all basically got nothing, thats the strongest case i could build.

I disagree with you. I think it is strange for anyone to make themselves more visible on day one, like Anxiety did in "attacking" me for voting for Lathum. Anxiety is probably only a one-in-five shot of being evil, but I thought his behavior stood out as being strange, so I voted for him.

If people think I am acting strange by voting for him over that, rather than randomly picking someone, I don't know what to do about that.

[Alan T]

See, but what if this is the time were not. We have had day 1s, at least 4-5, with wolves in close duels. Even 2 i think that were wolf-wolf. Usually the wolves get off...ya, sometimes its villager villager, but sometimes theres a wolf. I think we have to take a chance and hope we get a wolf in a runoff

I guess.. I just don't really know how to quantify voting for people in a close vote when I don't know anything about them and all of their arguements seem a bit weird for the day 1 vote. I don't really feel like sticking my neck out right now for any of them to be honest.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, my thoughts on this is that it is a Day 1 vote, more or less. But if you start to feel some kind of currents emerging with the votes, it makes sense to pay attention to them. We just have less context now than we would for this later in the game. And, truth be told, we are going to be lacking context for most of the game with how it is currently structured.

For this reason (lack of published results on both day and night kills) I'm guessing we are not facing many evils to start. I'm thinking two original Revolutionaries + Pilkington, plus the seer and convert, which count as villagers. So our chances of hitting someone today are not that good. And, even if we do, we probably don't learn about it for a couple of days.

OK, time for a quick re-read before submitting my vote.

[st.cronin]

I don't have any particular insight but I think we really, really need to avoid a tie.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, my favorite post of the game so far has been RealDeal accusing Conflagration of being UTR.

On Day 1.

When he had less than five total FOFC posts prior to the start of this game.

I'm also tempted to vote for Blade/Bek for exchange Oreo cookie smoothies or whatever else happened during their late-night chat (as noted by Chief Rum).

In regards to Swaggs, if he is playing as a bad guy he is off to a poor start. Messing up the deadline and the players who had not posted (as pointed out by Anxiety and Passacaglia, respectively) is not exactly playing to win as a bad guy. I was pretty sure I was going to put my vote on him after Passacaglia's questioning (posts #178 - 185), but as I'm thinking about it now I'm moving towards the idea that Swaggs is a better player than this. And most people are more careful as evil than they are as good. His usual style is to play a more quiet game than this. Why is he being this aggressive early in the game?

Sigh ... I really don't think that everything is 100% on the up-and-up with the vote runoff this afternoon. And I trust Anxiety more than Swaggs at this point, so I would prefer not to see him killed. So despite my 2nd-guessing above I'm going to


VOTE SWAGGS

[Alan T]

I don't have any particular insight but I think we really, really need to avoid a tie.

Any particular reason you feel this way?

My understanding was someone randomly has a tiebreaker that they can use. then when they use it, it goes to someone else each time.

Didn't sound like a bad thing or good thing really to me.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I have just forced the tie you wanted to avoid with GoldenEagle remaining. The two people tied (Swaggs and Anxiety) already have their votes on each other, so they are unlikely to move them.

Given that the tie-breaker rotates, is there any downside to the tie-breaker revealing themselves? Does it make them a better/worse target for the Revolutionaries or for the rest of the Farm?

I fully expect to be attacked now for trying to force a role reveal by the tie-breaker :eek: Which I'm not necessarily advocating, just trying to understand the merits of secrecy for this transitional role in this specific game.

[st.cronin]

Any particular reason you feel this way?

My understanding was someone randomly has a tiebreaker that they can use. then when they use it, it goes to someone else each time.

Didn't sound like a bad thing or good thing really to me.

Only thing that gives me unease about it is that it might give the badguys an easy victim to kill, without generating any discussion about WHY that player was killed.

[saldana]

Cronin, I have just forced the tie you wanted to avoid with GoldenEagle remaining. The two people tied (Swaggs and Anxiety) already have their votes on each other, so they are unlikely to move them.

Given that the tie-breaker rotates, is there any downside to the tie-breaker revealing themselves? Does it make them a better/worse target for the Revolutionaries or for the rest of the Farm?

I fully expect to be attacked now for trying to force a role reveal by the tie-breaker :eek: Which I'm not necessarily advocating, just trying to understand the merits of secrecy for this transitional role in this specific game.

they cant reveal that they have the tiebreaker...although reading this:

Tiebreak procedure: A player will be chosen at random to have the tiebreak power one time only. Once used, a new player will be chosen at random. Please do not reveal when you have the tiebreak upon pain of a sudden lightning bolt striking you down and out of the game.

i am not sure if that means you cant say it was you after the day has ended...i think we need a clarification on that from Path before anyone says anything.


btw, i am leaving my vote on RD...after the disaster last game with leading the day one charge, i am going to revert to my sit back and observe everyone else strategy that has served me better in the past.

[saldana]

dola, i am out until after the deadline...gotta go to lunch

[st.cronin]

Yeah, I guess it's possible that who broke the tie doesn't get revealed. Anyway, my caution wasn't particularly game-specific, just that in general a day 1 tie is useless.

[Swaggs]

I would agree that a tie could be a bad thing.

If the vote is between one good and one evil player, and the tiebreak goes to an evil player (probably a 20% chance w/ 20 players and at least 2 revolutionaries, Squealer, Pilkington, and Minimus), they would have the advantage of knowing one another.

[Alan T]

I guess I dont see anywhere that says the tiebreakers are either good or bad for sure. My assumption was that it wouldn't tell us much about the person...

[Abe Sargent]

Prisoner's DIlemma 0- Swaggs and I could save ourselves by both moving to BrainD or RealDeal and we'd both be alive tomorrow.

[Swaggs]

Prisoner's DIlemma 0- Swaggs and I could save ourselves by both moving to BrainD or RealDeal and we'd both be alive tomorrow.

I won't vote for Brian, since he voted to help me, but if you make the call... :)

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not sandbagging RealDeal then

[Abe Sargent]

That looks like time

[Abe Sargent]

Well, see you guys after lynch

[hoopsguy]

Pilkington and the evil seer don't have any information if they hold the tie-breaker. Only the revolutionaries should have information about other players at this point.

[Swaggs]

It is kind of rough that the person making the tiebreaker is not known to the public. If, down the road, whoever the survivor is between Anxiety and me gets killed and turns out to be evil, we could learn a lot from it.

[Alan T]

It is kind of rough that the person making the tiebreaker is not known to the public. If, down the road, whoever the survivor is between Anxiety and me gets killed and turns out to be evil, we could learn a lot from it.

So if you win this vote and end up being evil you are saying? :)

[Swaggs]

So if you win this vote and end up being evil you are saying? :)

I don't know that I would exactly call it a "win." :)

[path12]

Final vote count:

Anxiety 3 -- ardent (146), BrianD (177), Swaggs (180)
Swaggs 3 -- Anxiety (107), Lathum (144), hoops (219)
BrianD 2 -- Bek (131), Passacaglia (153)
RealDeal 2 -- saldana (152), Grammaticus (169)
Blade6119 2 -- Greyroofoo (92), RealDeal (197)
Conflaguration 1 -- st.cronin (77)
Chubby 1 -- bulletsponge (74)
hoops 1 -- Alan T (75)
Bek 1 -- Dodgerchick (79)
bulletsponge 1 -- Chubby (80)
Greyroofoo 1 -- Blade (85)
st.cronin 1 -- Conflaguration (97)

Not voting: GoldenEagle

Results coming shortly.

[Abe Sargent]

Just me, path and Swaggs in teh thread. :)

[hoopsguy]

It was a quiet deadline today.

[Swaggs]

Odd move by Golden Eagle to unvote and then not vote for someone else.

[path12]

Nobody remembers such a sad day, even after the death of Old Major. For you have evil among you, and suspicions fly. Friends accusing friends, and for awhile it seems almost as if everyone is pointing a finger at someone different. Arguments get heated, voices are raised. Finally a small coalition develops and the suspect list is narrowed to Swaggs and Anxiety, who are summoned to step forward. They are guarded by a couple of dogs as the rest of you huddle to determine who will die.

Finally, the tie is broken, and Swaggs is the choice of the crowd.

As he is called forward Swaggs finally speaks. His voice is steady and firm as he chides the animals for their foolish choice, and lays out the case against.......st.cronin. His words are soothing and 100% convincing, and the mob wavers. Another huddle is called, and this time there is no wavering. st.cronin is set upon and killed.

After the deed there is silence. You wander back to the barn, and some of you notice that there has been a change in one of the commandments:

1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
3. No animal shall wear clothes.
4. No animal shall sleep in a bed.
5. No animal shall drink alcohol.
6. No animal shall kill any other animal without cause.
7. All animals are equal.

You are troubled, but hope that you have chosen wisely. Nobody expects to sleep well tonight.

ST.CRONIN HAS BEEN LYNCHED. NIGHT ORDERS ARE DUE BY 9AM EASTERN TOMORROW 9/12.

[Abe Sargent]

Interesting Swaggs

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, two quick questions:

1.) Why Cronin?
2.) Were you looking to put yourself in harms way, to see who was playing against you today?

[Swaggs]

Unfortunate that I had to reveal so early on.

Thinking it over, I didn't pick Anxiety for the same reasons I found him suspicious--I think the evil players would try to stay out of conflict and let us good guys pick each other apart on day 1, while they sit back and watch.

I randomly chose st. cronin from the list of seven players that casted non-grouped votes. My thinking was that, of those seven, two or three of the evil players are probably just hoping to stay under the radar. Sorry if I am wrong, st. cronin. :(

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, two quick questions:

1.) Why Cronin?
2.) Were you looking to put yourself in harms way, to see who was playing against you today?

1.) I figure the odds are pretty good that two or three of the seven people that casted "throwaway" votes were evil and trying to stay under the radar and avoid leaving a voting history. Cronin was just a random, day 1 choice from the list of those seven players.

2.) I made an honest mistake with the deadline and Bek, but played it up a little bit afterwards and was a bit more gruff than I would normally be, hoping to get people to get away from the non-grouped votes.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't mind, obviously

[Swaggs]

I don't mind, obviously

I still think it was odd that you voted for me for voting for Lathum, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense for you two to be tied together on day one if you are both evil.

[Swaggs]

If I would have just come out and said that Hee-Haw is my favorite TV show, do you guys think I could have avoided the lynch? :)

[BrianD]

That was an interesting turn of events. I wonder if this will turn out to be good or bad. Too bad Swaggs had to use his power so early. I guess he gets to be boring and normal now.

[hoopsguy]

I was dumb for not putting you on the Duke role - sorry for casting a vote that forced you to burn it although I'm hoping it works out well in the end.