SEC - Mustain, Stafford, Tebow & Smelley

[Edward64]

All 4 heralded freshmen QBs in the SEC played last week (and won't be redshirted). This means over the next 3-4 years we'll be able to track their progress in parallel.

Thought this thread might be interesting as we are all FOF fans and we love to see our 'draft picks' progress over 10-15 yrs. We'll see who boomed and who busted. I'm a Razorback fan, so I'm rooting for Mustain to outperform the other 3. I'll try to keep this thread going over the next 3-4 years!

Mustain (AR) will probably be the starter. Tebow (FL) will have to play cleanup behind Leak and Stafford (GA) stands a good chance of starting now that Tereshinsky is out 4-6 weeks. Don't know much about Smelley (SC) but wouldn't be surprised if he starts sometime this season.

Sep 9 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Tim Tebow 6-9 81 0 1 120.0
Mitch Mustain 9-17 119 1 0 131.2
Matthew Stafford 8-19 171 0 3 86.1
Chris Smelley 7-11 64 0 0 112.5


Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Tim Tebow 9 62 6.9 29 0
Mitch Mustain 5 -14 -2.8 7 0
Matthew Stafford 2 34 17.0 23 0
Chris Smelley 1 5 5.0 5 0

Here's my commentary on Mustain. He played against the USC second (third?) team and performed well. He played well against Utah State (although it was not the blowout the Hog fans wanted). No picks (unlike Stafford's 3 interceptions). Overall, too early to tell but not an obvious bust.

Anyone else care to share their commentary (and hopes) on Tebow, Stafford and Smelley?

[Logan]

I think Skydog might have some high hopes for Stafford, but I'm not sure...

[BishopMVP]

Despite the fact I believe Chris Leak is the best NFL QB prospect in the country, I think Tebow is the better quarterback for the Florida/Urban Meyer offensive system. Will be interesting to see that play itself out. The way Tennessee struggled against the option (and the loss of Justin Harrell) should give them a win in Knoxville, but if UF loses more than one game, I expect Tebow to be put in as starter. A complete disservice to Leak, and a travesty to make the best passing QB in college football run a spread option attack, but it has worked in the past for Meyer, so who knows.

Stafford has been covered pretty well in other threads here, and I agree with the flashes of brilliance/overall disappointing season for the team, more due to the OL than Stafford.

Mustain should have the best season, primarily because he has (comparatively) little pressure, but also because he played under the same system/coach (Malzean?) in HS.

[Edward64]

if UF loses more than one game, I expect Tebow to be put in as starter.
Didn't know Leak's position was in such peril.

Mustain should have the best season, primarily because he has (comparatively) little pressure, but also because he played under the same system/coach (Malzean?) in HS.

Gus Malzahn was Mustain's Springdale HS coach. In addition to Mustain, they also got Mustain's top receiver and TE. It would seem to be the perfect combo but folks (ex. me) aren't convinced that a HS system can make the leap to college level. We'll see once we get into SEC play.

Don't know about having the best season. I think Mustain's supporting cast is below the level of GA and FL.

Very excited though, Mustain is probably the top QB ever recruited to AR. It will be fun to watch these 3 play against each other.

[Easy Mac]

Also, the #8 QB as rated by Rivals, Chris Smelley, went to South Carolina, and he should be starting by the end of the year.

[Edward64]

Also, the #8 QB as rated by Rivals, Chris Smelley, went to South Carolina, and he should be starting by the end of the year.
Yeah, I think they did a short segment on Smelley during the GA/USC game. I assume he is redshirting for now? I'll add him to the topic if he starts playing ...

[k0ruptr]

I'm pretty sure he got some extended playing time in the GA game... smelley that is

[Edward64]

I'm pretty sure he got some extended playing time in the GA game... smelley that is
As requested by k0ruptr and Easy Mac, added Smelley from SC to the mix.

[k0ruptr]

IMO for this season i could see mustain having better stats at the end of the year... but career wise its all about stafford, although tebow is gonna fit that offense perfectly in florida

[cartman]

Poor Ryan Perriloux. I wonder if he regrets the last minute switch to go to Baton Rouge.

[BishopMVP]

Didn't know Leak's position was in such peril.I don't think it is officially, but considering Tebow fits the offense and Leak doesn't, it wouldn't surprise me if Meyer pulled Leak after they were out of the national title hunt, or at least if they fall out of SEC East/BCS contention. Meyer has never struck me as a very loyal guy - he could have put in an offense tailored to Leak for 2 years, then switched over when he had Tebow starting in 2007, but stuck Leak in his spread option attack, even though Leak is a (the best?) pocket passer. As long as you're building for success in 2007 anyway, why not? Plus all the fans will be calling for Tebow, and Meyer was getting calls for his head halfway through last year.

[General Mike]

Mustain will have the best career of all these guys.

[TroyF]

Mustain will have the best career of all these guys.

When someone makes a statement like this I have to ask a couple of questions. I'm not attacking the opinion, because I'm not familiar with any of them, but I'm curious:

1) How are you basing the opinion? Did you see all of them play a ton of HS games?

2) Are you basing it off of scouts or snippets you've heard from spring/fall practices?

3) Did you see all of these players in their games this year and are basing your opinion off of that?

4) other?

[DeToxRox]

I think going off college careers, Mustain will be the more sure fire guy. He's going to have a Cutler or Eli Manning career, where the team will win 8 or 9 games but he'll be the key reason. Stafford will have the talent around him to potentially reel in a NC but either way UGA should be good for 10 wins while he's around. 8-9 without. Tebow is dynamic but I think he's overblown. The footage I've seen of him isn't that impressive, but you never know till he sees the field on Saturday.

I think based on importance to their teams winning, Mustain is going to be most integral between success and failure. He has the talent, and from all accounts the drive to lead a 5-6 win team and make them bowl eligible, and maybe even an SEC Darkhorse his senior year.

[st.cronin]

Mustain has the coolest name.

[Edward64]

I think based on importance to their teams winning, Mustain is going to be most integral between success and failure. He has the talent, and from all accounts the drive to lead a 5-6 win team and make them bowl eligible, and maybe even an SEC Darkhorse his senior year.

I agree that Mustain is the most integral between success and failure. But because GA and FL has so much surrounding talent (don't know about Smelley in SC), I think the odds are that Stafford and Tebow will get the most attention and highest probability of success in their collegiate careers.

What's interesting is there is another quality QB possibility Kodi Burns (sp?) who is supposed to be a possibility for AR next year. With Mustain playing the Hog boards are thinking it helps to recruit Kodi (ex. redshirt and then 2 years of leading the team). It will be great to have 2 quality QBs for a 6 year stretch.

I don't expect AR to be a top 10 team but way back when they were a pretty consistent top 25 team.

[DeToxRox]

I agree that Mustain is the most integral between success and failure. But because GA and FL has so much surrounding talent (don't know about Smelley in SC), I think the odds are that Stafford and Tebow will get the most attention and highest probability of success in their collegiate careers.

What's interesting is there is another quality QB possibility Kodi Burns (sp?) who is supposed to be a possibility for AR next year. With Mustain playing the Hog boards are thinking it helps to recruit Kodi (ex. redshirt and then 2 years of leading the team). It will be great to have 2 quality QBs for a 6 year stretch.

I don't expect AR to be a top 10 team but way back when they were a pretty consistent top 25 team.

I think that is very possible. I do think though if Mustain gets Arkansas back to respctibility he will be viewed as the reason and score a huge check from NFL scouts. Either way the SEC will be a lot of fun to watch for the next 3-4 years, although it always is.

[General Mike]

When someone makes a statement like this I have to ask a couple of questions. I'm not attacking the opinion, because I'm not familiar with any of them, but I'm curious:

1) How are you basing the opinion? Did you see all of them play a ton of HS games?

2) Are you basing it off of scouts or snippets you've heard from spring/fall practices?

3) Did you see all of these players in their games this year and are basing your opinion off of that?

4) other?

Part of it is based on scouting reports I've read, but alot of it is based on the fact that South Carolina and Florida both use gimmick offenses. I'm not saying the other guys won't be good, but Florida and UGa are both gonna keep bringing in very highly touted QBs, and I suspect Spurrier will too. I don't see Arkansas having a situation where Mustain has to worry about another great QB pushing him. And in some cases that can be good, but sometimes it's not.

[Edward64]

k0ruptr and Easy Mac. Good call, I guess Smelley is it since Blake Mitchell got into the bar incident.

[Ben E Lou]

When someone makes a statement like this I have to ask a couple of questions. I'm not attacking the opinion, because I'm not familiar with any of them, but I'm curious:

1) How are you basing the opinion? Did you see all of them play a ton of HS games?

2) Are you basing it off of scouts or snippets you've heard from spring/fall practices?

3) Did you see all of these players in their games this year and are basing your opinion off of that?

4) other?I watched a ton of HS film on all three. Stafford and Tebow will outshine Mustain in college. Of the three, Stafford will probably make the better pro QB, although Tebow could make some noise.

[TroyF]

Hmmm. . . so for one guy it's Stafford or Tebow and another it's Mustain. No votes for Smelley? :)

[cartman]

Hmmm. . . so for one guy it's Stafford or Tebow and another it's Mustain. No votes for Smelley? :)

It's hard to get support for a Smelley (Game)cock.

:D

[Edward64]

Hmmm. . . so for one guy it's Stafford or Tebow and another it's Mustain. No votes for Smelley? :)

You know, I should have created a poll for this. I don't see an option now ... is there a way after a thread has been created?

[ahbrady]

I agree that Mustain is the most integral between success and failure. But because GA and FL has so much surrounding talent (don't know about Smelley in SC), I think the odds are that Stafford and Tebow will get the most attention and highest probability of success in their collegiate careers.

What's interesting is there is another quality QB possibility Kodi Burns (sp?) who is supposed to be a possibility for AR next year. With Mustain playing the Hog boards are thinking it helps to recruit Kodi (ex. redshirt and then 2 years of leading the team). It will be great to have 2 quality QBs for a 6 year stretch.

I don't expect AR to be a top 10 team but way back when they were a pretty consistent top 25 team.

I don't pretend to know too much about the non-Arkansas guys, so I have no idea which of them will have the best college career. As far as Mustain goes, a lot could depend on coaching. Most are saying this is a make or break year for Nutt. If Nutt leaves, what will happen with Malzahn, their OC? If Nutt stays, how much control of the offense is he going to retain? And what style of offense will that be?

I'm not sold on Kodi Burns being a great college QB. I've seen him play some, and he has a ton of athletic ability. He's got a strong arm and is great at scrambling and making big plays on the run. There are many games where his completion rate is around 40%. I hope I'm wrong on him, and I have been on many others, but I am concerned about his passing ability.

[Edward64]

I don't pretend to know too much about the non-Arkansas guys, so I have no idea which of them will have the best college career. As far as Mustain goes, a lot could depend on coaching. Most are saying this is a make or break year for Nutt. If Nutt leaves, what will happen with Malzahn, their OC? If Nutt stays, how much control of the offense is he going to retain? And what style of offense will that be?

I'm not sold on Kodi Burns being a great college QB. I've seen him play some, and he has a ton of athletic ability. He's got a strong arm and is great at scrambling and making big plays on the run. There are many games where his completion rate is around 40%. I hope I'm wrong on him, and I have been on many others, but I am concerned about his passing ability.

ahbrady. FWIW, Kodi is ranked #9 QB prospect, 4 stars. He's probably AR's best shot at a good QB next year.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2392446

I'm honestly tired of Nutt. He's had his fair chance to bring the program back to pseudo prominence and its not happened. Hope he goes and we get someone else (ex. Butch Davis).

[ahbrady]

ahbrady. FWIW, Kodi is ranked #9 QB prospect, 4 stars. He's probably AR's best shot at a good QB next year.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2392446

I'm honestly tired of Nutt. He's had his fair chance to bring the program back to pseudo prominence and its not happened. Hope he goes and we get someone else (ex. Butch Davis).

I know Burns is rated highly by many scouting services, and I know they are much wiser than I am in these matters, but I just don't have confidence in his passing abilities. I hope I'm wrong though.

I'm very tired of Nutt. I would say he's had more than his fair chance. I don't understand how he's lasted this long.

[Edward64]

Poll added.

[Edward64]

Poor Ryan Perriloux. I wonder if he regrets the last minute switch to go to Baton Rouge.
You have to believe its killing him to see 'younger freshmen' starting immediately where he'll probably have to wait (and compete) for his junior year.

[Edward64]

Just finished watching AR/Vanderbilt game. Have to say Mustain looks pretty good for a true freshman. Some bad passes and the game was closer than it should have been because of the AR defense, but can't argue with his stats (can't remember the last time we had 3 passing tds against an SEC team).

AR passing seem to be 'relatively' efficient. I was looking forward to the next pass instead of dreading it. I don't consider Vanderbilt defense a real test for Mustain but a another step in his learning process. AL is next.

Didn't see the GA/UAB game (couldn't find the station in Atlanta?). GA handily beat UAB but Stafford didn't seem to have a great day?

Smelley should play tonight (edit: just read Spurrier will be using Newton, hopefully Smelley will see some playing time), don't know about Tebow.

Sept 16 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Mitch Mustain 13-20 224 3 1 198.6
Matthew Stafford 10-17 107 0 0 111.7
Tim Tebow
Chris Smelley


Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Mitch Mustain 1 -13 -13.0 0 0
Matthew Stafford 6 3 0.5 9 1
Tim Tebow
Chris Smelley

[Noop]

1. Mitch Mustain - In my opinion the top QB in this class. He has that "it"
2. Matthew Stafford - Will have a great college career.
3. Tim Tebow - Overrated and overhyped.

[stevew]

Mitch Mustain sounds like what an evil supervillian would be named.

[Edward64]

∙ ESPN extraordinaire Joe Schad, sitting a row in front of me in the press box, points out that Arkansas freshman QB Mitch Mustain is airing it out against Vanderbilt (12-of-17, 210, three TDs through three quarters) while Georgia seems to be keeping the kid gloves on Matthew Stafford (6-of-10, 50 yards).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/football/ncaa/

I wonder why the conservative play calling by Richt/GA?

[Edward64]

Sept 16 stats (updated)

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Mitch Mustain 13-20 224 3 1 198.6
Matthew Stafford 10-17 107 0 0 111.7
Tim Tebow -no passes-
Chris Smelley -did not play-


Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Mitch Mustain 1 -13 -13.0 0 0
Matthew Stafford 6 3 0.5 9 1
Tim Tebow 7 29 4.1 10 0
Chris Smelley -did not play-

Well, it looks as if Mustain and Stafford did okay against 'weak teams'. Mustain definitely established his starter status (vs Casey Dick). Tebow did not get any passing plays but seems to be the best runner in the group. With Newton's solid play, Smelley might only see minimal playing time this year.

Although too soon to be definite, Mustain seems to be the best performer so far.

[GrantDawg]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/football/ncaa/

I wonder why the conservative play calling by Richt/GA?


Giving Stafford time in the system. Most of camp and in the first two games, Stafford was getting very few snaps with the first team (sharing them in camp with three other qb's). They used this game as a "get comfortable" game. I imagine he'll throw a little more in the next game against Colorado (but not much more if the running game keeps rolling), and then play more full package by the time he gets to Ole Miss.

[Edward64]

Giving Stafford time in the system. Most of camp and in the first two games, Stafford was getting very few snaps with the first team (sharing them in camp with three other qb's). They used this game as a "get comfortable" game. I imagine he'll throw a little more in the next game against Colorado (but not much more if the running game keeps rolling), and then play more full package by the time he gets to Ole Miss.
You're right.

Mustain played for Malzahn in HS. His understanding of Malzahn's offense probably gives him a leg up in this early period.

[Edward64]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5975182
Eric Moneypenny. Does any quarterback in the nation throw a prettier ball than Florida's Chris Leak or LSU's Jamarcus Russell (when Russell's on)? Wait, don't answer that, 'cause I have a feeling if their name isn't "Mitch Mustain" they probably don't. Mustain, Arkansas' freshman wunderkind, looked pretty sweet against Vander-bilt, going 13 for 20 with 222 yards and three scores.

I don't mean for this to be a Mustain cheerleading thread only. I know the AJC has a bunch on Stafford but their site is by registration only. Can't help to get excited about AR, its been awhile (ex. since Matt Jones, 2 yrs ago).

[Edward64]

Sept 23 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 8-16 76 0 0 89.9
Mitch Mustain 7-22 97 1 3 56.6
Tim Tebow -did not play-
Chris Smelley -did not play-

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford 4 -15 -3.8 2 0
Mitch Mustain 2 -5 -2.5 2 0
Tim Tebow -did not play-
Chris Smelley -did not play-

Not a good weekend for the freshman QBs.

I did not see the GA game but it reads as if Joe Cox had to be brought in 4th qtr to replace Stafford to save the day. I wonder if this will cause a QB controversy ... at the very least I would expect Cox to get more shared playing time with Stafford now.

Mustain was okay until the 4th qtr. I think he threw all 3 interceptions in the 4th qtr. After his 2nd interception, you could see his confidence was shot. After his 3rd interception I was thinking they may put in backup Casey Dick. Nutt stayed with Mustain and Mustain was able to pull off a 2nd OT win with a 'floating/wobbly' TD pass.

It was really messy, AR did not deserve to win, AL lost it. AL missed 3 field goals and 1 extra point (I think all wide right!). AL scored a TD in the 2nd OT and the missed extra point was what sealed it when AR scored next.

Mustain definitely looked shakey in the 4th qtr and in OT ... a bye week and then Auburn! Don't expect Mustain to pull that one off, but it would be nice if the Hogs kept it close.

It doesn't look as if Smelley will get a chance to play much more this year. Blake Mitchell and Syvelle Newton seem to be taking care of business.

FL is in the 4th qtr and it looks as if Chris Leak has the game in hand, but not a blowout to allow Tebow in.

Unless some drastic happens in USC or FL, it looks as if this thread in 2006 is going to be mostly about Stafford and Mustain.

[GrantDawg]

Smelly is going to get a red-shirt. He hurt his hand, and will not be playing again this year. Stafford is having a real hard time reading defenses, and it is stalling out the whole team. He should not be starting. Cox should start next week, and Joe T. will probably be back by the next game after that or so. I think Stafford should still get some playing time and let him continue to progress. He is just not ready to run the team yet.

I'm not real hopeful on UGA's chances versus the Vols if they don't figure something out at QB quick. Auburn will kill us regardless.

[Edward64]

Updated Sept 23 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 8-16 76 0 0 89.9
Mitch Mustain 7-22 97 1 3 56.6
Tim Tebow 1-2 12 0 0 100.4
Chris Smelley -did not play-

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford 4 -15 -3.8 2 0
Mitch Mustain 2 -5 -2.5 2 0
Tim Tebow 6 73 12.2 25 0
Chris Smelley -did not play-

Wow, Tebow looks like the best runner out of this group.

Smelly is going to get a red-shirt. He hurt his hand, and will not be playing again this year. Stafford is having a real hard time reading defenses, and it is stalling out the whole team. He should not be starting. Cox should start next week, and Joe T. will probably be back by the next game after that or so. I think Stafford should still get some playing time and let him continue to progress. He is just not ready to run the team yet.
Didn't know about Smelley, thanks.

I sometimes feel the same for Mustain but he's the main man now for sure ... GA has more choices/options than AR.

I'm not real hopeful on UGA's chances versus the Vols if they don't figure something out at QB quick. Auburn will kill us regardless.
Agreed. AR plays Auburn, TN and LSU ... the point spread won't be pretty. The best we can hope for is better than .5 and a minor bowl this year (but great hopes for next year).

[Easy Mac]

Smelly is going to get a red-shirt. He hurt his hand, and will not be playing again this year. Stafford is having a real hard time reading defenses, and it is stalling out the whole team. He should not be starting. Cox should start next week, and Joe T. will probably be back by the next game after that or so. I think Stafford should still get some playing time and let him continue to progress. He is just not ready to run the team yet.

I'm not real hopeful on UGA's chances versus the Vols if they don't figure something out at QB quick. Auburn will kill us regardless.

For Smelley, what is the rules on redshirts. I know he got at least 1 series in the first or second game. Are they just saying he's hurt now? I think there's some 1 game or no more rule or something like that, just looking for a clarification.

[GrantDawg]

For Smelley, what is the rules on redshirts. I know he got at least 1 series in the first or second game. Are they just saying he's hurt now? I think there's some 1 game or no more rule or something like that, just looking for a clarification.


I'm not sure. It sounded to me like they were going to try to use an ijury red-shirt, but I could be wrong.

[Greyroofoo]

I like how the last two options read as "Smelley Trout"

[Crim]

I have no idea if Tebow can throw or not... he did have one nice spinning pass to his left that fooled the UK defense, but that looked more like athleticism than polish. But I'm stoked to see him run! The game announcers made some inane Mike Vick comparison (I guess that's the law, now, when a QB scampers for more than one 1st down in a game yer compelled to say he moves like Ron Mexico), but to me he moves more like a young Steve McNair, but without (so far) the prodigious passing stats.

I'm embarrassed that Gator "fans" actually booed Leak at one point when he came back into the game... then were cheering like mad when he continued to light up Kentucky's defense late in the game.

[Edward64]

Sept 30 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 7-18 91 0 0 81.4
Tim Tebow 1-1 23 0 0 293.2
Mitch Mustain -bye week-

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford 2 3 1.5 8 0
Tim Tebow 9 28 3.1 6 1
Mitch Mustain -bye week-

Stafford had more plays than Cox and played conservatively, no picks, no TDs. No breakout game for him yet. Tereshinski will be practicing again this week, should be interesting to see what the QB situation is in a couple weeks.

I finally saw Tebow play, he can definitely run but am disappointed that he doesn't get to throw more. Any idea why he doesn't get to throw more?

AR has a bye week. Mustain will have his hands full next week with Auburn. Don't expect to win but would be nice if Mustain performed well under pressure and kept it somewhat close. The Auburn-USC game makes me hopeful.

Here's an AJC piece (last week) on Mustain and others.

ROOKIE RAVES

What Rivals.com's top five high school quarterbacks from last year are up to these days:1. Matthew Stafford, Georgia. After a shaky Saturday, Mel Kiper's No. 1 pick in the 2010 draft might find out today whether he or Joe Cox will start next week.

2. Mitch Mustain, Arkansas. Five touchdowns, five interceptions and, more importantly, he's the first Hogs freshman to win his first three starts since '81.

3. Tim Tebow, Florida. Chris Leak's backup has been unstoppable in short-yardage situations, bulling his way for key first downs last week at Tennessee.

4. Demetrius Jones, Notre Dame. Stuck behind Brady Quinn on the depth chart, he'll have to wait his turn ... unless the Irish keep stumbling.

5. Jevan Snead, Texas. Beaten out for the starting
job by Colt McCoy, Snead has thrown 10 passes in three games, completing six of them.

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/uga/stories/2006/09/23/0924arkansas.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21

[Edward64]

CNN has a list of top 15 true freshmen

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0610/gallery.cfbfreshman/content.15.html


Mustain came into the season as possibly the most hyped quarterback in the class. Statistically, his first season has been a rollercoaster ride, but he is 3-0 as a starter, including a 224-yard, three-touchdown performance against Vanderbilt.

At 6-foot-3, 230 pounds, Tebow employs a bruising running style that has already made him a favorite in the Swamp. Tebow provides an important change of pace from pocket passer Chris Leak and has seen regular action in every game. After Leak graduates, Tebow should excel as a full-time QB in Urban Meyers' spread offense.

Stafford was not listed.

[GrantDawg]

Mustain making the case today. Daggum, I didn't see this coming.

[Eaglesfan27]

Mustain making the case today. Daggum, I didn't see this coming.


Ditto. First QB to ever go 4-0 as a true freshman starter.

[Anthony]

that guy's last name is actually "Smelley"??? LOL

[Edward64]

Oct 7 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Mitch Mustain 7-10 87 1 0 176.1
Tim Tebow 2-2 36 2 0 581.2
Matthew Stafford 2-5 11 0 1 18.5

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Mitch Mustain 2 4 2.0 4 0
Tim Tebow 9 35 3.9 15 1
Matthew Stafford n/a

Great win for AR over #2 Auburn but Mustain was not the key ... 10 pass attempts (87 yards) vs 43 rushing attempts (270+ yards rushing). But props to Mustain for not making mistakes to give the game away. This should put AR in the top 25 next week!

Tebow still doing great but it looks as if we will have to wait till next season (unless Leak gets hurt) before we can fairly compare him with the other QBs (well, at least with Mustain. I wonder if Stafford will move up with GA's loss today).

Stafford was put in when the game was lost. Not great stats at all, he looks to be struggling more than Mustain/Tebow. GA just fell apart in the 2nd half.

[Swaggs]

If I were Tebow, I would quit after today.

There is nowhere to go from here except down.

[Edward64]

Oct 14 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 9-13 86 0 0 124.8
Mitch Mustain 5-13 51 1 0 96.8
Tim Tebow -no pass attempts-

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford -no rush attempts-
Mitch Mustain -no rush attempts-
Tim Tebow 3 18 6.0 16 1

AR won big over SE Missouri St (I-AA) and Mustain played first half with sub-par performance. He hasn't had a good showing since the Vanderbilt game. Casey Dick (redshirt sophomore) was the starter until he got hurt before the season and he outplayed Mustain this game. My guess is he'll share playing time with Mustain now that he is healthy. Mustain is 5-0 now but that's deceiving due to the strength of our running game.

Didn't see the GA game. Stafford played every 3rd series and although the Dogs lost to Vanderbilt, it looks as if he (and Tereshinski) did well but something didn't click for GA.

Tebow, until he gets more playing time directing a series, I don't think we can evaluate how well he is doing. They'll blame the loss on Leak but Tebow hasn't really shown anything other than running (has he?).

On a side note, with Adrian Peterson (Adrian, don't bother coming back ... go pro) out for the season hoping AR McFadden gets more press. He only had 6-71 w/2 tds before he was pulled for good. Doesn't help his stats but a classy move.

[st.cronin]

I think from what I've seen I like Tebow best of all of them right now. He's like a regen of Steve Young.

[Edward64]

I think from what I've seen I like Tebow best of all of them right now. He's like a regen of Steve Young.

The reason why I don't agree (and am undecided) is Tebow has run much more than thrown and I don't believe he has lead the team through many (if any) series down the field.

[KWhit]

Stafford has been named the starter for Saturday's game against Miss State.

[st.cronin]

The reason why I don't agree (and am undecided) is Tebow has run much more than thrown and I don't believe he has lead the team through many (if any) series down the field.

This is a good point, but what I've seen of Tebow has impressed me more than what I've seen of Mustain or Stafford. I do think they also both have terrific potential. I'm prepared to change my mind 4 or 5 times this year, though.

[wade moore]

This is a good point, but what I've seen of Tebow has impressed me more than what I've seen of Mustain or Stafford. I do think they also both have terrific potential. I'm prepared to change my mind 4 or 5 times this year, though.

10-14, 1 INT, 152 Yards, 2 TD

Keeping in mind that at least one of those TD passes came when everyone KNEW he would run.

I'm not saying Tebow can't be a good passer, I just don't know how you can draw any conclusion at all about him being a QB (not a RB) from his performance so far.

[st.cronin]

10-14, 1 INT, 152 Yards, 2 TD

Keeping in mind that at least one of those TD passes came when everyone KNEW he would run.

I'm not saying Tebow can't be a good passer, I just don't know how you can draw any conclusion at all about him being a QB (not a RB) from his performance so far.

We've seen him throw the ball far and accurately. What we don't know yet is whether he can perform under pressure, and consistently make good decisions. We also don't know that about Mustain and Stafford.

[ahbrady]

10-14, 1 INT, 152 Yards, 2 TD

Keeping in mind that at least one of those TD passes came when everyone KNEW he would run.

But you have to admit he had great form on that jumping TD pass.

[Edward64]

Oct 21 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 20-32 270 2 3 135.3
Mitch Mustain 12-15 157 1 0 189.9
Tim Tebow -bye week-

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford 3 14 4.7 10 0
Mitch Mustain 1 -3 -3.0 0 0
Tim Tebow -bye week-


A good weekend for the 2 freshman QBs. Mustain numbers are respectful against Old Miss and it looks as if Stafford had his first solid passing game against Miss St (starting even with a healthy Tereshinski) with 2 TDs but 3 interceptions (any GA fans concerned about his TD to INT ratio?).

Saw the AR game, Mustain threw short, effective passes and was error free. A short screen pass to McFadden resulted in a long TD run. I don't remember a pass longer than 15 yards. He needs to be more of a passing threat, teams are definitely focused on AR's running game (McFadden and Jones didn't have great nos) and he'll need to loosen up the defense by passing more. He hasn't had a solid passing game since Vanderbilt, hope they really open up the air game next week against LA-Monroe, get him ready for SC and then TN.

Didn't see the GA game but it looks as if the Dogs are still a little shakey, game was closer than it should have been. FL is up next.

I think both QBs are developing nicely (albeit slowly) and neither has crashed and burned, and lost their confidence (yet).

Mustain should have a breeze next week, our running game will keep us in even if he fades. Stafford could really get messed up if he does not perform well next week, he'll have to play well to win against FL.

[MJ4H]

I don't remember a pass longer than 15 yards.

Just back from the game. There was at least one longer than that. The one down to Marcus Monk on about the 1 yard line in the first half before Peyton's TD.

[Edward64]

Just back from the game. There was at least one longer than that. The one down to Marcus Monk on about the 1 yard line in the first half before Peyton's TD.

I take it Hog country is happy with 6-1? and 6 straight with Mustain?

I feel bad for Casey Dick, he didn't do anything to lose the job and it looks as if he is the better QB right now. If I was him, I would seriously contemplate transferring to get more playing time (ex. Old Miss).

[MJ4H]

Yeah people are pretty happy around here. There are still a lot of people that don't like Houston Nutt, and, quite frankly, they sound like asses to me. But still, winning is good medicine and the mood is pretty positive overall.

Casey Dick definitely looks more polished right now than Mustain. I'm ok with both getting time, personally. Nutt has done that well in the past.

[Edward64]

Misc news on Mustain, Tebow and Stafford.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/columns/story?columnist=gola_henry&id=2632909

Stafford vs Leak/Tebow Saturday. Hope Tebow gets throw more.

Mustain should have it easy tomorrow, hope he really opens up. Even if he makes mistakes, AR should win easy.

[Edward64]

Oct 28th stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 13-33 151 0 2 65.7
Tim Tebow -na-

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford 7 -2 -0.3 13 1
Tim Tebow 6 37 6.2 20 0

Disappointed. Stafford INTs continue and should have been replaced by Cox or Tereshinski in the 2nd half. I know he had a pretty TD run but he was, at best ineffective in the big game.

[ahbrady]

Mustain isn't doing so hot in the first half tonight. At halftime against Louisiana-Monroe, he is 3-12 for 23 yards, 2 INT, and 1 TD.

[Edward64]

Mustain isn't doing so hot in the first half tonight. At halftime against Louisiana-Monroe, he is 3-12 for 23 yards, 2 INT, and 1 TD.

You're right (but getting better stats now in the 2nd half). I'm okay with Nutt/Malzahn letting him air it out, make mistakes etc., the Hogs should still win the game easily with the running game and defense (4 ints now?).

But that darn GA-FL game. Richt letting Stafford stay and start in the 2nd half when he had others that (possibly) could have pulled it off was not the (imho) right coaching move.

[Edward64]

Oct 28th stats (updated):

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 13-33 151 0 2 65.7
Tim Tebow -na-
Mitch Mustain 7-18 71 2 2 86.5

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford 7 -2 -0.3 13 1
Tim Tebow 6 37 6.2 20 0
Mitch Mustain -na-

Not a bad game for Mustain. At least 3 dropped catcheable passes hurt his stats but good to see him air it.

SC is up next. SC played well against TN tonight and will be more of a challenge next week.

Even at 7-1, I wonder if AR is for real. We should move up at least 1 spot with Clemson losing.

[cartman]

Outside of dynasty posts, I don't think I've ever seen such a one-sided post count...

[Edward64]

Outside of dynasty posts, I don't think I've ever seen such a one-sided post count...

Welcome any analysis and participation.

Figure this post should take off next year when all 3 freshman QBs will be playing full time barring any injuries.

[st.cronin]

I stand by what I said last week, that Tebow will turn out the best, at least at the collegiate level. Stafford has the best arm, I think, but he's not exactly Tom Brady. Mustain looks good enough, but hasn't really produced. I don't know if that's a function of the team, or what.

Tebow seems to be in the best situation, and to be the best athlete.

[ahbrady]

You're right (but getting better stats now in the 2nd half). I'm okay with Nutt/Malzahn letting him air it out, make mistakes etc., the Hogs should still win the game easily with the running game and defense (4 ints now?).

But that darn GA-FL game. Richt letting Stafford stay and start in the 2nd half when he had others that (possibly) could have pulled it off was not the (imho) right coaching move.

I'm okay with that too, and I think that Mustain should be getting at least the majority of the snaps. What did you think about their decision to leave him in during the Alabama game where Mustain wasn't playing well and the game was in doubt? That was similar to what Richt did yesterday in my opinion, although Mustain's numbers were much worse in that game than Stafford's were in the Florida game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Interesting quote in the Athens newspaper game article today

http://onlineathens.com/stories/102906/football_20061029090.shtml
"I made some mistakes definitely," Stafford said, "but I felt like I made a couple of plays, too. I was just trying to hang in there."

Just trying to "hang in there"? That's not exactly the confidence I'd want to hear from the guy who is trying to win what is arguably the biggest game of the year.

After reading that, I'm with Edward64 I think, Richt should have probably looked elsewhere in the 2nd half.

[Edward64]

I'm okay with that too, and I think that Mustain should be getting at least the majority of the snaps. What did you think about their decision to leave him in during the Alabama game where Mustain wasn't playing well and the game was in doubt? That was similar to what Richt did yesterday in my opinion, although Mustain's numbers were much worse in that game than Stafford's were in the Florida game.

I think the differences are (1) I/we thought this was going to be rebuilding anyway and a loss would have meant little (2) the game was close throughout and Mustain didn't start his INT until 4th qtr.

But point well taken. Nutt would have been criticized if we had lost the game for not putting in Casey Dick (me included), thank the God of wide right for the win. Really feel bad for Casey, he was (not sure about now) the better QB then and did nothing to lose the starting position, Mustain was given it.

After reading that, I'm with Edward64 I think, Richt should have probably looked elsewhere in the 2nd half.

JonInMiddleGA. I read the AJC and web. Did not see anyone else criticizing Richt so maybe I really don't know what I'm talking about but man ... it was painful to see GA stumble offensively like that.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I read the AJC and web. Did not see anyone else criticizing Richt so maybe I really don't know what I'm talking about ...

I imagine that by the time the coach's radio show runs, you'll have plenty of company ;)

[Edward64]

Nov 4 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Mitch Mustain 0-1 0 0 1 -200.0
Matthew Stafford 16-28 230 1 3 116.5
Tim Tebow 1-3 5 0 0 47.3

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Mitch Mustain -no rush attempts-
Matthew Stafford 5 35 7.0 9 0
Tim Tebow 6 38 6.3 25 0


Not a good day for Mustain. He threw an INT in the first series and was replaced by Casey Dick (Mustain also threw an INT in the first pass last game). No problems with that, looks like Casey is the better QB right now. If we were losing games and didn't have a post season to play for, I would stick with Mustain but there is TN and LSU coming up. Hope Mustain gets some mop up work and a little more experience before competing next year.

Didn't catch the GA game, my cable changed from Adelphia to Comcast and I couldn't find a GA-KY game (!). Based on stats, it looks like Stafford had a decent game other than for the INTs. Anyone have any comments on whether Richt should stick with Stafford or try Tereshinski/Cox to salvage the season?

Saw bits and pieces of the FL-Vandy game but only saw Leak at work (wonder where he'll go in the draft?). Missed any Tebow action, I hope Tebow is getting good experience he can build on for next year.

Bottom line to me, it looks as if the AR/GA freshmen QBs need to be reassessed and their starting role changed for the remainder of the season. Tebow is still unknown to me.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Didn't catch the GA game, my cable changed from Adelphia to Comcast and I couldn't find a GA-KY game (!).

Game wasn't televised live anywhere, not even PPV. It did, however, manage a late night tape delay tonight on some cable system.

Anyone have any comments on whether Richt should stick with Stafford or try Tereshinski/Cox to salvage the season?

Barring injury, I'd say it's probably going to be Stafford the rest of the way.
At least that's the general feeling I get from listening to all the talk, but who knows what CMR will do.

[Edward64]

Nov 11 stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 14-20 219 1 0 178.5
Tim Tebow 0-2 0 0 0 0.0
Mitch Mustain -na-

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford 7 83 11.9 39 1
Tim Tebow 5 29 5.8 12 1
Mitch Mustain -na-

Great job by Stafford. Okay, I was wrong in thinking it would be better to start one of the other 2 QBs. A rushing TD, a TD pass and no INTs (I think for the first time this year?).

Mustain has been regulated to 2nd string (and only came in for one hand off when Casey went to the sidelines). I think his season is done unless Casey gets hurt or mop up duty. Casey is redshirt sophomore, there will be a QB controversy next year.

Season is wrapping up and Stafford looks to end the season as the best of the 3 freshman QBs. He has the best opportunity to end it on a strong note, Mustain looks as if he is ending it on a down note. I know some will point to his 7 straight wins, but other than for the Vanderbilt game, Mustain was pretty mediocre.

Tebow? ... com'on Tebow fans, he really hasn't been tested or asked to perform seriously this year. His stats are not significant enough for the comparison.

[MJ4H]

There is a press conference scheduled for 5pm this evening at the U of Arkansas. My prediction: Mustain (and maybe a few more) are transferring.

[Poli]

??

[Poli]

Wow, just heard the story, probably slanted since it was at a UT board.

Wow. I feel for ya, MJ4H.

[Samdari]

There is a press conference scheduled for 5pm this evening at the U of Arkansas. My prediction: Mustain (and maybe a few more) are transferring.

Wow, didn't signing Mustain essentially save Nutt's job last year?

[Poli]

It may essentially cost him his job now.

[Samdari]

It may essentially cost him his job now.

After the year they've had? He'll likely get an externsion, won't he?

[Poli]

I'm hearing ugly rumors at the volnation. Mustain leaving may mean Nutt leaves for Bama.

[MJ4H]

OK, been following this for awhile. You may be hearing some ugly things, but not as ugly as I have for the last month, trust me.

Here is what is likely, in my estimation:

1. Mustain and maybe several others are probably transfering.

2. Houston Nutt is probably not going anywhere.

3. Gus Malzahn may be leaving, but I doubt it.

Anything else is extremely unlikely. Most people think the players were lied to about the offense to get them to commit. A lot of others think Nutt has not let Malzahn do what he needs to do as offensive coordinator. I think the latter is pretty silly, but I may be off base on that. Out of the three things above I think the most unlikely thing is Nutt leaving.

[Poli]

I figured volnation was slanted, it wouldn't surprise me if they got their info from Bama fans.

[st.cronin]

Where is Mustain transferring to? Big 12? ACC? Rutgers? Wisconsin?

[Ben E Lou]

Wow....was just doing a little lunch-time reading...

http://www.nwarktimes.com/images/logo_NWAnews.gif http://www.nwarktimes.com/images/logo_adg.gif Parents voice concerns over Hogs’ offense

BY BOB HOLT
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006
URL: http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/175675/

FAYETTEVILLE — Parents for Arkansas freshman football players Mitch Mustain, Damian Williams and Ben Cleveland met with Razorbacks Athletic Director Frank Broyles last week to discuss concerns about the direction of the football program.
Rick Cleveland, Ben’s father, confirmed Tuesday that the meeting took place last Thursday in Broyles’ office and lasted about an hour. The meeting included Rick Cleveland, Beck Campbell (Mustain’s mother ), David and Karen Williams, and Broyles.
The meeting centered on whether Arkansas offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn will get more say in how the offense is run, Rick Cleveland said, and if it will be more pass-oriented.
Mustain is a quarterback and Cleveland and Williams are receivers, and all three played for Malzahn at Springdale High School, where they excelled in a Spread, no-huddle offense to help the Bulldogs go 14-0 last season and win the Class AAAAA state championship.
“The reason for the meeting was very simple,” Rick Cleveland said. “We wanted to know what is the direction of Arkansas ’ football program ? Are we eventually going to get to Gus ’ offense ? Or are we going to stay with the way we are at present ?”
In going 10-3 this season and winning the outright SEC West title, Arkansas’ offense has been built around sophomore tailbacks Darren McFadden, a consensus All-American who was the Heisman Trophy runnerup last week to Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith, and Felix Jones. They are the third duo in SEC history to each rush for 1, 000 yards, with McFadden at a school-record 1, 558 and Jones at 1, 018.
It was a big bounce back season for the Razorbacks after they went 5-6 and 4-7 the previous two years to put Coach Houston Nutt’s job status in jeopardy.
Nutt, who hired Malzahn last December to be offensive coordinator and call the plays, was voted SEC Coach of the Year by the media and coaches after the Razorbacks’ six-victory improvement.
“For us, personally, we have nothing against Houston Nutt, nothing against Arkansas ’ program,” Rick Cleveland said. “Every school and its head coach has the full authority to run the offense that they want. That’s what they go recruit people for, to run what they’re comfortable with.
“ That’s not the issue with us. Arkansas has every right to run that and do what they want.”
Cleveland said the issue for the Springdale players and their parents is that the offense isn’t what they were led to believe it would be during the recruiting process.
After Malzahn was hired, Ben Cleveland and Damian Williams switched their commitments from Florida to Arkansas and Mustain recommitted to Arkansas after reopening his recruiting.
“With our kids going to Arkansas, it’s basically like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole,” Rick Cleveland said of the offense. “When Gus came onto the scene, the very first question we would ask was, ‘Do you have full control of the offense and do you have full control of the personnel ?’ Which we were told, ‘Yes.’
“ I don’t believe Gus lied to us. But as the season has progressed, it’s very obvious that this is not Gus Malzahn’s offense and Gus does not have full control of the personnel or the play calling.
“ From our perspective — and it’s only our perspective — it seems as if you’ve been sold a bill of goods.
“ We never would have committed here knowing that this was the offense, because we knew our boys wouldn’t be happy.”
Rick Cleveland said the response from Broyles was that Nutt continues to be in charge of the team.
“His exact words were that experts have told us that Coach Malzahn’s offense will not work in the SEC and for it to work the quarterback has to run the ball 15 to 18 times a game,” Cleveland said. “That made it pretty clear that things are going to stay the way they are and Malzahn’s offense is not going to be run here.”
Broyles said Tuesday he had told the parents they needed to meet with Nutt, not him, but he agreed to see them when they showed up at his office anyway.
“I didn’t want to be rude,” said Broyles, who declined to discuss any details of the meeting.
Nutt declined comment Tuesday about the parents’ meeting but said he doesn’t expect any players to transfer. Malzahn couldn’t be reached for comment.
Rick Cleveland said the parents wanted to meet with Broyles “because he’s the one who ultimately controls everything” at Arkansas.
“Why not go to the person who’s totally in charge ?” Cleveland said. “It was a very pleasant meeting. There was no confrontation whatsoever.”
Since Malzahn was hired, he and Nutt have said publicly the offense would be a combination of what has worked well at Arkansas in the past with additions brought in by Malzahn and new quarterbacks coach Alex Wood, a former NFL offensive coordinator.
Malzahn has said the running backs are Arkansas’ best players and the team would play to its strengths, and his greatest contribution has been putting together an offense that enables McFadden and Jones to be on the field at the same time.
The Razorbacks have run numerous trick plays for big gains and excelled in a “Wildcat” package with the versatile McFadden at quarterback.
Nutt and Malzahn also have said they expect the passing game to continue to progress next season.
David Williams, Damian’s father, declined comment on the meeting and whether his son is considering transferring from Arkansas.
“To be honest with you, I don’t think any of the boys want to transfer. They love Arkansas,” Rick Cleveland said. “But as a ballplayer, you want to be used to the best of your abilities.”
Ben Cleveland and Damian Williams each made the SEC All-Freshman Team and are among Arkansas’ top six receivers.
Williams is tied for second on the team with 19 catches for 235 yards and 2 touchdowns, including a score that put Arkansas ahead to stay just before halftime in its SEC West title-clinching 28-14 victory at Mississippi State.
Cleveland is tied for fourth on the team with 11 catches for 98 yards and 2 touchdowns, including the game-tying reception in overtime against Alabama before Jeremy Davis hit the winning extra point in a 24-23 victory.
Mustain has completed 64 of 122 passes for 853 yards and 10 touchdowns with 8 interceptions. He started eight games, all victories by the Razorbacks, before being replaced by sophomore Casey Dick.
While the three Springdale freshmen have played key roles in the Razorbacks’ season, Rick Cleveland said they anticipated having more impact on the offense.
“It’s a very fluid situation,” Cleveland said of whether he expects any of the Springdale players to transfer. “These are 18-year-old kids. One day they want to stay. One day they’re upset and want to leave.
“ What the coaching staff has to understand is that they can’t keep telling these kids, ‘This is going to happen, this is going to happen, this is going to happen,’ and it doesn’t happen.”
Rick Cleveland said his son and Damian Williams want to play in an offense where they’ll catch 60 passes per season.
J. J. Meadors, with 62 catches in 1995, is the only Razorback with 60 or more catches in a season in the program’s history.
Five SEC players have 60 or more catches this season; three had 60 or more last season.
“Our boys are used to catching 60 passes a year,” Rick Cleveland said. “They want to go to a college where they get the same opportunity. Whether they’re good enough to do that or not is a whole different question. They have to earn that.
“ They are team players... but they’re saying, ‘Hey, I don’t know if I’ll be happy being in this offense, catching 10 balls a year or 15 and blocking 90 percent of the time.’”

[Ben E Lou]

This was a real Catch-22 for Nutt. On one hand, you have probably the best team in the state in many years with 5 D1 kids. All of the Razorback nation expected him to sign these kids and he'd have serious issues if they went to other schools. He got the main prize (Mustain) and some others.

However, in what appears to be an obvious enticement for them to come to Fayettville, Nutt hires the kids' HS coach to be his OC...a rare move from HS to OC at a major school. Doing that opens up the obvious pandora's box of where do the kids' and parents' loyalties lie: Nutt or Malzahn? (obvious now). These kids and Malzahn are clearly undermining Nutt's leadership and direction, but you can't be all that surprised about it, considering the parents are on a first-name basis with the OC, and may have grown up in Springdale with Malzahn, for that matter. ;)

Nutt was in sort of a lose-lose situation. Miss the recruits and get crucified, or bring them in with their own coach (and again, I suspect, an old friend of these kids' parents) and now we have this Machiavellian power play.

[Butter]

Who is on Alabama's list right now?

[Poli]

Yep, it's a sucky situation all around.

[Samdari]

Miss the recruits and get fired

I really think this was the case.

[ISiddiqui]

Jeez, what a bunch of whining parents. I mean Mustain, Cleveland, and Williams are freshmen for God's sake. Maybe by the time they are Juniors the offense will be more spread formation, but for now, you can't suddenly switch to a spread formation with a group of players who are built more for a running game strategy overnight and expect success. It seems they are taking the gradual shift, and moving slowly to a more passing oriented offense.

[MJ4H]

Well, that is what was publically said about the plans: that it would be a gradual change over the course of a few years to he HUNH philosophy (NOT necessarily to a spread formation and throwing it all over the field).

The coaches were on the record as sayingt they would need a year or two to get the players conditioned to it. I really have no idea what people are complaining about.

The real stickler to most people appears to be that AD Frank Broyles apparently told the parents that the HUNH would never work in the SEC (umm, ok?) and that he also didn't even know the players' names that were coming to see him. He only knew Mustain's because he "only pays attention to the quarterbacks." If there is any truth at all to this part, who the heck knows what happens next, but Broyles needs to go now. I think the next month or so could be really crazy here.

[MJ4H]

Well I'm now hearing that Mustain is staying. Who the heck knows anymore. Trying to figure this out is not worth the hassle. I'll just sit back and wait and stop trying to guess.

[GoldenEagle]

It is not like you do not have two of the premier backs in the country running the ball. If I was Nutt, I would cut all three of them. If Malzahn did not like that, he could go to.

This is all anyone is talking about in LR. The general opinion seems to favor Nutt in this one. It is just a really odd situation.

[MJ4H]

From a fairly prominent media person in this area (Mike Irwin if you are in the area):

"I have confirned that Mitch Mustain will report to practice at 6 pm when the Razorbacks resume their work for the Capital One Bowl. It does not appear that he will ask to transfer."

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[MJ4H]

Well it appears its over. Here's what just went down:

1. Houston Nutt had a meeting at the start of practice tonight. Basically said: I want people here that want to be Razorbacks. If you don't want to be a Razorback, there's the door.

2. At this point, Damian Williams hit the door. He wants to be at a place where he can make 60 catches a season. This is obviously not Arkansas. He has been granted a release.

3. Mustain and Cleveland are staying as of now. This is not expected to change.

4. At some point, Mustain apologized to Houston Nutt for some comments in a book about this whole recruiting fiasco that has recently come out.

Things are looking WAY up. Disappointed to lose Damian Williams, but we can survive.

[Poli]

Tough loss, MJ, but it could have been way worse.

[MJ4H]

Hey this is a win at this point. I'll take this and a slap on the ass all day long.

[Poli]

I'll be in Arkansas on the 23rd. Be ready for that slap.

[MJ4H]

That's what I like to hear.

[Ben E Lou]

Hey this is a win at this point. I'll take this and a slap on the ass all day long.

I'll be in Arkansas on the 23rd. Be ready for that slap.

That's what I like to hear.Damn, brother, I don't b'lieve I'd'a told dat!

[Edward64]

Catching up ...


Nov 18th stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Tim Tebow 10-12 200 2 0 278.3
Mitch Mustain -dnp-
Stafford -bye-

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Tim Tebow 6 47 7.8 20 2
Mitch Mustain -dnp-
Stafford -bye-

[Edward64]

Nov 25th stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Tim Tebow 0-1 0 0 0 0.0
Mitch Mustain -dnp-
Matthew Stafford 16-29 171 1 0 116.1

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Tim Tebow 4 3 0.8 3 0
Mitch Mustain -dnp-
Matthew Stafford 4 0 0.0 21 0


Casey Dick was 3-17 for 29 yards in the loss to LSU. Mustain should have played in the 2nd half ...

[Edward64]

Dec 2nd stats:

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Tim Tebow n/a
Mitch Mustain n/a
Matthew Stafford n/a

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Tim Tebow 8 31 3.9 9 0
Mitch Mustain 1 2 2.0 2 0
Matthew Stafford n/a

Casey was half way respectable.

[Edward64]

My take on the AR soap opera.

What a bunch of whiners. I don't know if it was a parents, the students, the OC Gus Malzahn or a combination ... but they should have approached this differently and definitely after the Capitol One bowl.

I am glad Mustain and Cleveland decided to stay. Sorry to see Damien Williams leave. AR is not known for producing WRs in the NFL so I think DW decision is the ultimately right for him, I just question the timing.

Summary of AR

All in all, a 10-3 season and the Capitol One bowl is pretty good considering the pre-season expectations for AR.

IMO, Mustain should win the starting job next year. Casey Dick had his chance but his terrible showing against LSU and mediocrity against FL shows he is not necessarily better than Mustain (I thought otherwise earlier this season).

I am predicting McFadden will leave after his Jr year, be a Heisman contender and be a 1st round pick. It will be fun watching him on Sundays.

Summary of FL

Tebow had a good game against W. Carolina. I still question his QB skills, all that should be answered early next year.

Summary of GA

I think Stafford wins this years SEC Freshman QB challenge. He was not spectacular but he ended the regular season well.

[GrantDawg]

Summary of GA

I think Stafford wins this years SEC Freshman QB challenge. He was not spectacular but he ended the regular season well.



Interestingly enough, he and Tebow actually shared the honor. I think that is strange since Tebow barely played, and Stafford ended up turning the Dawg's season around.

[Edward64]

12/30 Recap - Chick-Fil-A Bowl

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matthew Stafford 9-21 133 1 1 102.2

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Matthew Stafford 7 6 0.9 7 0

Well, Stafford was not impressive but a win is a win, especially against a #14 team. Final score 31-24. A little disappointed that Stafford did not continue his end of regular season performance, but hey, another great SEC victory.

AR Mustain will start the 3rd series against Wisconsin on Jan 1 Capital One Bowl and Houston Nutt will decide how Dick/Mustain will share QB duties. Hope Mustain see extended action and performs well.

[Edward64]

1/1 Recap - Capital One Bowl

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Mitch Mustain 5-10 41 0 1 64.4

Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Mitch Mustain 0 5 0.0 0 0

Mustain played in the 3rd series and then sparingly. Casey Dick threw for 9-21 for 98 yds plus 1 int. Mustain had his chance and made little of it. Not sure I disagree with playing Dick for most of the game (but I really want to believe Mustain is the QB of the future) but I can imagine it was hard for either QB to get into a rhythm.

I think Urban will stick to the true and tried formula of using Tebow sparingly in short yardage situations. Here hoping the SEC redeems itself against the Big 10 when OSU-FL plays.

[MJ4H]

Now Gus Malzahn is leaving for the Offenseive Coordinator job at Tulsa. If this weren't so sad it would be funny. There are a lot of furious people in this state right now.

[Swaggs]

Now Gus Malzahn is leaving for the Offenseive Coordinator job at Tulsa. If this weren't so sad it would be funny. There are a lot of furious people in this state right now.

Is it a done deal that he takes Mustain with him?

[MJ4H]

No idea.

[timmynausea]

It's weird that the "2006 offensive coordinator of the year" is leaving Arkansas for Tulsa to be co-offensive coordinator along with West Virginia's TE coach.

[cartman]

hxxp://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2733190


Nutt: Mustain can leave Arkansas

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. -- Arkansas quarterback Mitch Mustain, undefeated as a Razorbacks starter after a stellar high school career, has been given permission to transfer to another university, coach Houston Nutt said Tuesday.

The move came one day after offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn, Mustain's high school coach, left to become assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at Tulsa. Mustain and Malzahn joined the Razorbacks a year ago from Springdale High School.

Nutt appeared to be holding out hope Mustain might decide to stay with the team even after receiving his release.

"I don't know for sure where we are right now," Nutt said.

Mustain was the Parade magazine prep player of the year in 2005.

[Edward64]

Okay, I can't hold it in anymore ...

AaaarrrrRggggGh!

Nutt has to go.

[MJ4H]

Yeah this is all pretty ridiculous.

[Mr. Wednesday]

This outsider's perspective is that if Mustain wants out, good riddance. Heaven forbid a coach favor his Heisman candidate running back over his inconsistent frosh quarterback. It's not like he's trying to win games or anything.

[st.cronin]

This outsider's perspective is that if Mustain wants out, good riddance. Heaven forbid a coach favor his Heisman candidate running back over his inconsistent frosh quarterback. It's not like he's trying to win games or anything.

I agree 100%. AFAICT, Nutt is a good coach, who has done a good job recruiting. Firing him would be a bad idea.

[MJ4H]

Let's just say there's a heck of a lot more to this than it appears to the outsiders.

[KWhit]

Let's just say there's a heck of a lot more to this than it appears to the outsiders.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[MJ4H]

Its an ugly situation. Im fed up with dealing with it. Maybe later.

[Poli]

:confused:

[JonInMiddleGA]

:confused:

Well, I don't know if this is what MJ was referring to, but ... the rumor mills say that Mustain, the WR, and the (now-former) OC were made certain promises about what they would be doing when/if they came to Fayetteville.

Instead, Mustain gets benched in the middle of a winning streak and instead of getting a contract extension that Nutt mentioned to the media earlier this month he was instead about to find himself de facto demoted to "co-offensive coordinator" with the acquisition of a new QB coach/co-coordinator.

So now the WR has abandoned what certainly appears to be a disgruntled ship for greener pastures on the left coast, the OC has gone to Tulsa to escape Houston Nutt's lies, and all that's left is for the QB to get the hell out of Dodge.

Or at least, that's what the rumor mills say.

[MJ4H]

That's fairly accurate. Except that being co-offensive coordinator would've been a promotion from where Malzahn effectively was this past season. Sigh.

[GoldenEagle]

According to Rick Shaffer, Malzahn called all the plays and all Nutt did was limit his play book. In my opinion, Mustain is a pansy for leaving town.

[MJ4H]

Of course Rick Shaffer says that. Hes the SID. His nickname isnt sunshine because of that bright smile.

[JonInMiddleGA]

His nickname isnt sunshine because of that bright smile.

Good job, made me laugh.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think the promises that Nutt made in the first place were kinda sleazy, but during the season, I think he did the right things to give the team the best chance to win. Didn't Mustain get benched during the South Carolina game?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Didn't Mustain get benched during the South Carolina game?

Yep, after one series that ended with a pick. He wasn't really sharp the week before against LA-Monroe. I don't really have a problem with Nutt trying another option there, Casey Dick handled the SC game and played well against Tennessee.

Where I'm left scratching my head though is how he stayed with Dick through a stretch worse than problems Mustain had, when he was putting up Reggie Ball numbers (21/56, 289 yds, 4 TD/4 INT).

And when you're 3/17 for 29 yds, even if the opponent is the eventual national champion, you are not giving the team "the best chance to win".

[Ksyrup]

Nutt's getting Dick, whether he wants it or not.

[BYU 14]

Smelley is looking very good in the SC Spring game right now.

[Edward64]

I believe Mustain is sitting out the forthcoming year and considering transferring (one rumor was west coast USC).

He nor his mother seem to be the type for a mea culpa and unless Nutt leaves, I don't see him playing for AR again.

Interestingly, another QB Tavaris Jackson that transferred out of AR was a 2nd round QB and may have a chance to start at Min. (His transfer was not nearly as dramatic or full of acrimony).

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=127835

[Eaglesfan27]

According to the LA times, Mustain to USC is a done deal. He'll compete with Sanchez and Aaron Corp for the starting job in 08.

Also, almost at the same time, Dayne Christ committed to ND.

[Eaglesfan27]

Also, as Jon alluded to earlier, Mustain's favorite WR in HS, Damian Williams also transferred to USC earlier in the year and will also be available in 08.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Also, almost at the same time, Dayne Christ committed to ND.

I dunno if the misspelling is intentional, but there's no 'h' in Crist's last name.

[Eaglesfan27]

I dunno if the misspelling is intentional, but there's no 'h' in Crist's last name.


Probably a Freudian slip on my part with some of the praise that he had been getting on the USC boards when he was a "virtual lock" to go to USC.

[Swaggs]

This creates an interesting scenario. Sanchez and Mustain were two of the more highly-touted QB recruits in recent years, but one of them is likely never going to be the starter at USC.

[scooper]

This creates an interesting scenario. Sanchez and Mustain were two of the more highly-touted QB recruits in recent years, but one of them is likely never going to be the starter at USC.


Mustain's mommy will no doubt have something to say about that scenario. :rolleyes:

[scooper]

Probably a Freudian slip on my part with some of the praise that he had been getting on the USC boards when he was a "virtual lock" to go to USC.


And ND fans? We're just happy to land JC and Crist back to back. We're hoping Charlie Weis extends an offer to 2009 propect Billy Messiah.

[Eaglesfan27]

This creates an interesting scenario. Sanchez and Mustain were two of the more highly-touted QB recruits in recent years, but one of them is likely never going to be the starter at USC.

Possibly neither of them if Aaron Corp continues to improve/impress. However, at this very early point, my money is on Sanchez to start in 08.

[st.cronin]

My guess is Mustain is never heard from again.

[Karlifornia]

God, Mustain and his family whine about him not playing enough, and he transfers to arguably the most stacked team in the country. Huh?

[Neuqua]

Yeah, I'm merely an outside observer not following college football all that much but how exactly does this move make sense for Mustain? Anyone care to explain?

[MJ4H]

It gets him away from Nutt. I think that was his goal. I don't know if it was a joke or not, but I heard recently that Mitch was the one that filed the FOI papers on Nutt's text messages and stuff.

[SFL Cat]

Yeah, I'm merely an outside observer not following college football all that much but how exactly does this move make sense for Mustain? Anyone care to explain?

One -- Mustain is so impressed with himself that he thinks he wins the starting job no problem.

Two -- He has a man-crush on Damian Williams

Three -- Mommy promised she'd bitch slap Pete Carroll around if he doesn't give Mustain the starting job. Honestly, I think she could take him.

[TazFTW]

Welcome to Hollywood.

[Blade6119]

SI is reporting it now as well...i have to say, this is just a stupid move. USC is one of the few programs where i don't ever see him playing. They love Sanchez, and Corp is supposed to be playing well too. I get that he thinks he will walk in and win the job, but i think he could have picked about 115 programs where he could have excelled and instead chose one of the 4-5 where he will fade away.

Now, ill grant you, even backup QBs at USC make the NFL(re:cassel) so maybe he knows what hes doing.

[Edward64]

From what I've been ready Stafford and Tebow have been having great practices and are, of course, the starting QBs.

Not sure about Smelley.

Mustain has transferred to USC and will redshirt this year. With all the talent there, it will be interesting to see if he gets significant playing time at all the next 3 years.

My vote is ... Stafford will be the best QB of this group.

[BishopMVP]

From what I've been ready Stafford and Tebow have been having great practices and are, of course, the starting QBs.

Not sure about Smelley.

Mustain has transferred to USC and will redshirt this year. With all the talent there, it will be interesting to see if he gets significant playing time at all the next 3 years.

My vote is ... Stafford will be the best QB of this group.I'll go with Stafford for best pro prospect/career, Tebow with more college success.

[st.cronin]

I'm still on Tebow.

[Swaggs]

I'm still on board with Stafford. I think he's going to be a franchise NFL QB.

Tebow will have to show me that he knows how to play like a QB, rather than a FB. I suspect he won't be called on to play like one this year, but until I see him play like a disciplined QB for about 6 games, I think he's an injury risk.

[B & B]

This is one of those type threads that you look back on in 2009.

Standing up proud, grinning from ear to ear because way back when, on a football message board, you clicked on trout. Seriously, folks be picking Tebow? Hes a poor mans Scott Frost.

Smart money is on the Howitzer. If you dont know which one that is... you shouldnt be allowed to vote on this poll.

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/082307/news_gamecocks.shtml

Gamecocks QB suspended
Story updated at 3:30 p.m. on Thursday, August 23, 2007

COLUMBIA, S.C. — South Carolina quarterback Blake Mitchell was one of three players suspended for the opening game against Louisiana-Lafayette for missing summer school classes.

Steve Fink, a spokesman for the athletic department, said Thursday that Mitchell, tailback Bobby Wallace and cornerback Chris Hail were suspended for the Gamecocks' home opener Sept. 1. The three players also were suspended from the team's first two practices this fall for missing classes.

South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier was not immediately available for comment Thursday.

The suspension is the latest setback for the Gamecocks' starting quarterback. Mitchell was arrested a year ago and charged with simple assault after a nightclub bouncer told police that Mitchell punched him. The charge was later dropped, but Mitchell sat out for several weeks as Syvelle Newton ran the South Carolina offense.

Behind Mitchell this year are redshirt freshman Chris Smelley and sophomore Tommy Beecher.

When Mitchell, a 6-foot-3, 211-pounder from LaGrange, Ga., was suspended for practices this fall, Spurrier said he was disappointed, but not shocked because the quarterback had "done some disappointing things before."

[oliegirl]

Mitch Mustain sounds like what an evil supervillian would be named.

Or a porn star...Dirk Diggler and Mitch Mustain! :)

[Edward64]

Sep 1 stats:
CP/AT YDS TD INT
Smelley 9/12 95 1 1
Tebow 13/17 300 3 0
Stafford 18/24 234 2 0
Dick 10/18 91 0 0
McFadden 1/1 42 1 0

ATT YDS TD LG
Smelley 3 12 0 17
Tebow 8 38 1 18
Stafford 6 0 0 17
Dick n/a
McFadden 25 169 1 25


Looks as if it will be Tebow vs Stafford for the rest of this year. Both had great games and are solidly their team's leaders. Smelley shared playing time with Beecher as Mitchell has been suspended.

Its going to be a 'what could have been year' at AR. Mustain is redshirting this year at USC and Dick is the AR QB. Sorry to say, but Dick doesn't look as if he has improved much/any from 2006.

In lieu of Mustain, I am going to add Dick and also RB McFadden (hey, he does throw TDs also!) as this his final year (Jr, will go pro next year according to his Mom ... and everyone else).

[Edward64]

Sept 8 stats:

CP/AT YDS TD INT
Stafford 19/44 213 0 1
Tebow 18/25 236 3 0
Smelley n/a

ATT YDS TD LG
Stafford 3 -27 0 0
Tebow 17 93 2 25
Smelley n/a

I saw the 2nd half of the GA vs SC game and although Stafford was ineffective, relative to Glennon (VT vs LSU) and Henne (Mich vs Oregon), didn't think he was too bad for a sophomore. I feel sorry for W Carolina next week.

Smelley did not play as Mitchell came off suspension.

BTW, did anyone see Ryan Mallet (fr) replace Henne and throw that long 70+ (est?). It was incomplete but what an arm, a tight, pretty spiral. We had dreams of recruiting Mallet for AR.

Tebow was once again impressive against a lesser opponent (Troy). Next week against TN will be a game to watch. I think TN will be his real first caliber opponent as a starting QB.

AR had a bye week. Next up is Alabama. AL does not intimidate me (or I guess anyone else) like they once did, so looking forward to that game. However, AR plays at LSU in the last game of the reg season and that is scary. First half of LSU vs VA Tech was total dominance.

[st.cronin]

Mallet showed a nice arm, but also had a couple of passes blocked, one by his own lineman, which is odd given his enormous size.

[Edward64]

Okay, its not official yet but I guess as of the sophomore year we can all concede that Tebow is the conclusive winner.

Still rooting for DMac for the Heisman although Tebow has had a better year overall. My only consolation is hoping the voters go for (1) junior over sophomore and (2) understand Tebow had a better supporting cast than DMac.

[BishopMVP]

Okay, its not official yet but I guess as of the sophomore year we can all concede that Tebow is the conclusive winner.Huh? My vote hasn't changed -
I'll go with Stafford for best pro prospect/career, Tebow with more college success.

[Joe]

we'll see what happens next year when Mustain starts leading USC to national championships

[Buccaneer]

Congrats to Tim Tebow, a very deserving winner.

[Eaglesfan27]

Congrats to Tim Tebow, a very deserving winner.


Agreed. I'm surprised that the margin of victory wasn't bigger.

[MrBug708]

Damn. I was hoping they'd show Florida how to play football.

Did Urban cry again? :)

[Edward64]

Pig Sooiee. Rivals reports Ryan Mallett to Arkansas.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/ncaa/01/14/mallett.arkansas/index.html

He was a year behind Mustain and story has it that he did not consider Arkansas because of Mustain.

[Edward64]

Spring training has started.

Mustain is holding his own but so is Sanchez.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/usc-usc-football-2012804-srimmage-mitch

Mallett eligibility is still not determined but shows his big arm and alot of potential. Kinda glad that Michigan gambled on Pryor and lost out to OSU (and Arkansas!).

http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2008/04/03/razorback_central/040408fbcpracticentbk.txt

My guess is he will sit out 2008 and start in 2009 where we will have him for 2+ years.

Smelley is up in the air with Garcia around.

http://www.thestate.com/188/story/353777.html

Stafford doing well.

Tebow ... so far best of the original 4.

[Edward64]

Bump.

Okay, not been diligent in keeping up with this thread now that Mustain has been regulated to backup and Sanchez looks as if he is doing great at USC. Maybe Sanchez will leave next year and Mustain will get his shot.

Smelley never seem to have caught on and is, for now, a backup.

The real race is between Tebow and Stafford. Tebow won the Heisman but Stafford is getting the press as being the #1 QB next draft? I am a GA fan but to tell you the truth, Stafford has looked less than impressive this year.

Best collegiate - Tebow.
Best NFL - ?

[GrantDawg]

Bump.

Okay, not been diligent in keeping up with this thread now that Mustain has been regulated to backup and Sanchez looks as if he is doing great at USC. Maybe Sanchez will leave next year and Mustain will get his shot.

Smelley never seem to have caught on and is, for now, a backup.

The real race is between Tebow and Stafford. Tebow won the Heisman but Stafford is getting the press as being the #1 QB next draft? I am a GA fan but to tell you the truth, Stafford has looked less than impressive this year.

Best collegiate - Tebow.
Best NFL - ?


With ya. Best collegiate probably is Tebow, and quite possibily both will bust in the pros.

[cartman]

Smelley is giving up football.

South Carolina's Chris Smelley to transfer out of the program - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3822544)

[Edward64]

No doubt that Tebow had the most successful collegiate career of the 4 with Stafford a far second. Mustain may get his chance to start next year at USC if Sanchez leaves. It would have been nice to have Mustain's career parallel the other 2 but he does not seem to be a bust (otherwise, would there be news about him being the heir?) and will get his chance.

So all in all, not bad.

For the pros, I'm with Grantdawg. I think both could be busts but am rooting for the SEC boys! It would be great to have Tebow back next year, gives the SEC a great shot at 4 of 4.

[Eaglesfan27]

If Sanchez leaves, I'm expecting Corp to beat out Mustain for the starting job.

[st.cronin]

I think Mustain is behind Corp. If Sanchez leaves, Corp is more likely to start next year. I could be wrong.

[Edward64]

If Sanchez leaves, I'm expecting Corp to beat out Mustain for the starting job.
That would be unfortunate (for me). I really wanted to see an AR QB kid really do well in the NFL so I can root for the team. Clint Stoerner had that one great half (with Giants?) but then collapsed. I think the last one was Joe Ferguson.

I know Houston Nutt has done well in Ole Miss but he really did run Mustain and Damien Williams out of AR. I wish it would have worked out somehow.

[Edward64]

FWIW, I think the Stafford, Tebow and Mustain really was a unique freshman class of QB with all the high expectations. If Mustain does well in college, it really will have been a special year.

[ISiddiqui]

Hmm... should I trust the USC fan or the Arkansas fan as to who is ahead right now in the USC QB job for next season? ;)

[bhlloy]

I have no idea where MJ4H is getting his information. Corp moved past Mustain on the depth chart a few weeks back, and the staff have been incredibly positive about Corp's performance and I haven't heard a positive thing about Mustain in months. Plus he fits into the offense better than Mustain IMO.

If Sanchez does move on, then it will be a very interesting 3 way battle (Barkley looked that good in the UA game that he could start as a true frosh). Not saying it's over yet, but I don't know how anyone could get the impression that Mustain is ahead of Corp.

[bhlloy]

Not trying to be an asshole, but you think it isn't a hot topic on the USC boards, discussed by people that are at every single practice and have inside information on the program?

[ISiddiqui]

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that people are Arkansas boards who are trying to come up with anything to slam Houston Nutt with are saying that Mustain is favorite for the Southern California job next season.

The "Its a hot topic on the Arkansas boards" statement is one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

[Buccaneer]

Aww, you had to go and delete your post. Yeah, I (and I imagine a few others) try very hard to forget anything that you say about Arkansas or anything related to it. But you keep posting anyways... :p

[MJ4H]

Yes I deleted all the posts once I realized that the same douchebags were going to attack me every time I say anything. Glad you showed your ass, too. Not surprising in the slightest. Go ahead and think I give a shit what you think.

I won't be returning to the thread. Once you and ISiddiqui showed up I should've known it would turn to shit. Enjoy yanking each other off over running me off.

[RedKingGold]

I'm guessing there's a post missing somewhere here?

EDIT: Should have refrehsed earlier. Looking foward to MJFH's "look-at-me I leave FOFC" thread in the near future"

[Buccaneer]

Looking foward to MJFH's "look-at-me I leave FOFC" thread in the near future"

Version 3.0

[ISiddiqui]

LOL!

[DeToxRox]

I heard Jiri Welsh has a leg up on Mallet and Dick for the Arkansas QB gig next year.

Anyone else hearing this?

[Karlifornia]

Yes I deleted all the posts once I realized that the same douchebags were going to attack me every time I say anything. Glad you showed your ass, too. Not surprising in the slightest. Go ahead and think I give a shit what you think.

I won't be returning to the thread. Once you and ISiddiqui showed up I should've known it would turn to shit. Enjoy yanking each other off over running me off.

Dude. Wipe the tears from your eyes, get the sand out of your vagina, and come back to the sandbox.

That is fucking ridiculous.

[Karlifornia]

Dola,

Who says SEC fans take college football too seriously?

[DeToxRox]

Dude. Wipe the tears from your eyes, get the sand out of your vagina, and come back to the sandbox.

That is fucking ridiculous.

STFU Karl, dude is probably holding his breath now till you apologize.

[duckman]

http://hiscocksblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/shovel.jpg

[Crapshoot]

http://hiscocksblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/shovel.jpg

Winner. :D

[Eaglesfan27]

Might be a moot point on Mustain vs Corp. Word is that barring a last minute change of heart, Sanchez is coming back. More surprisingly, Taylor Mays is leaning towards coming back as well.

[Edward64]

Apparently Tebow is coming back for another year.

FOX Sports on MSN - COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Tebow returning for senior season (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9063798/Tebow-returning-for-senior-season)

"Oh, by the way, let's do it again. I'm coming back," Tebow said.

Tebow thrilled more than 40,000 at the school's national championship celebration Sunday by announcing plans to return for his senior season, with hopes of leading the Gators to their first undefeated season and fourth national title.

I don't know where/round Tebow was listed by the NFL but assuming it was rounds 1-3 I think I would have taken the money and come out this year. I don't think winning another NC is going to dramatically change where scouts already have him ranked.

But great news for the SEC and UF. He's got a great attitude.

[Atocep]

Apparently Tebow is coming back for another year.

FOX Sports on MSN - COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Tebow returning for senior season (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9063798/Tebow-returning-for-senior-season)



I don't know where/round Tebow was listed by the NFL but assuming it was rounds 1-3 I think I would have taken the money and come out this year. I don't think winning another NC is going to dramatically change where scouts already have him ranked.

But great news for the SEC and UF. He's got a great attitude.

From what I've read its mixed as to whether he'll be drafted as a QB or a H-Back, but Kiper and McShay both had him 3rd round and Kiper says he could go lower.

If that's the case, I can definitely understand him coming back. Its the only way he's guaranteed to be a qb for another year.

[DeToxRox]

From what I've read its mixed as to whether he'll be drafted as a QB or a H-Back, but Kiper and McShay both had him 3rd round and Kiper says he could go lower.

If that's the case, I can definitely understand him coming back. Its the only way he's guaranteed to be a qb for another year.

Ex UM QB Coach Scott Loefler is going to UF as QB coach to work with Tebow. Apparently that was a main reason as well he is coming back because he loved Loefler from when he recruited Tebow at Michigan, and thinks he can make him into a QB at the next level.

If Loefler does that .. he deserves a plaque in Canton.

[BishopMVP]

From what I've read its mixed as to whether he'll be drafted as a QB or a H-Back, but Kiper and McShay both had him 3rd round and Kiper says he could go lower.

If that's the case, I can definitely understand him coming back. Its the only way he's guaranteed to be a qb for another year.Even if he was projected higher, I don't get the feeling Tebow is the type driven by money or glory. While some of the statements about him are absurd ("the greatest college football player ever!" "spend 20 minutes with Tim Tebow and he will make you a better person!" etc) I do get the feeling he is self-aware enough to realize that staying at Florida another year is a better situation than moving into an uncertain NFL future.

[Young Drachma]

College Football Tugged at Chris Smelley, Then Baseball Pulled Him Back - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/sports/baseball/05smelley.html?ref=sports)

Story about Smelley now playing baseball at Alabama. He's sitting out the year, since he transferred mid-season (Gotta love the NCAA) but he's practicing.

[Captain2711]

I guess its official. Tebow is the greatest of all-time. This disgusts me.http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090319/ARTICLES/903190980/1002?Title=Tebow-s-speech-immortalized

[Eaglesfan27]

If Sanchez leaves, I'm expecting Corp to beat out Mustain for the starting job.

As expected, Corp was named USC's starting QB today for the Trojan Huddle this Saturday. Mustain is 3rd on the depth chart behind Matt Barkley. Despite this, he has told USC reporters that he won't transfer as he is too close to getting his degree. Pete has said all 3 QB's will continue to battle throughout the summer and fall, but Mustain is a distant 3rd right now behind Corp and Barkley. Barkley has been incredibly impressive and has by far the most TD's in practices.

[Edward64]

Lets take a gut check.

Mustain - USC 2nd stringer, will probably never see significant playing time (we like Mallett more!)
Tebow - arguably all time CFB QB best, NFL career unknown but will be given a shot with some team.
Stafford - second only to Tebow in CFB, NFL career still tbd
Smelley - fugabouit

[MJ4H]

Mustain is back ahead of Corp? Never would've guessed that! :)

Seriously, Mallett is going to be better than either of them, obviously, but I think Mustain would do pretty darned well under Petrino, too. Offensive genius and expert coaching can make lots of quarterbacks look really good.

What is it with these players at South Carolina anyway? Don't they have a receiver named Girly this year or something like that? Might be Gurley, but I remember thinking it would be funny for Smelley to be passing to Gurley. Heck only 5 more like that and they could make their own Snow White story.

[Eaglesfan27]

Mustain is back ahead of Corp? Never would've guessed that! :)

Seriously, Mallett is going to be better than either of them, obviously, but I think Mustain would do pretty darned well under Petrino, too. Offensive genius and expert coaching can make lots of quarterbacks look really good.

What is it with these players at South Carolina anyway? Don't they have a receiver named Girly this year or something like that? Might be Gurley, but I remember thinking it would be funny for Smelley to be passing to Gurley. Heck only 5 more like that and they could make their own Snow White story.

Mustain passed Corp a few weeks ago. Reportedly, Bates fixed something in his delivery and he's been throwing significantly better since that change.

[MJ4H]

Yeah, I know. Just poking a little fun.

[Grammaticus]

Lets take a gut check.

Mustain - USC 2nd stringer, will probably never see significant playing time (we like Mallett more!)
Tebow - arguably all time CFB QB best, NFL career unknown but will be given a shot with some team.
Stafford - second only to Tebow in CFB, NFL career still tbd
Smelley - fugabouit

I read that and got a good laugh :lol:

[Edward64]

Bump.

Stafford and Tebow in the NFL now. Mustain still USC 2nd string behind Barkley. Interesting how the Corp thing worked out last year (did he get screwed?).

Stafford is still a big ? but showed some spunk last year. Tebow is an even bigger ? but glad he has a chance to compete to play.

Yeah, I'm still rooting for Mustain to have some playing time at USC and get drafted.

Man, did I start this thread 4 years ago.

[Eaglesfan27]

Bump.

Stafford and Tebow in the NFL now. Mustain still USC 2nd string behind Barkley. Interesting how the Corp thing worked out last year (did he get screwed?).

Stafford is still a big ? but showed some spunk last year. Tebow is an even bigger ? but glad he has a chance to compete to play.

Yeah, I'm still rooting for Mustain to have some playing time at USC and get drafted.

Man, did I start this thread 4 years ago.

Corp didn't get screwed. Corp showed that he did not have enough confidence or arm strength to play big time college football. Heck from what I've read, he is having a hard time beating out the Richmond QB for that job..

Mustain had a really good 2nd half of the spring, and I think he'll get playing time this year, even if it is mop-up role in some blowouts.

[Easy Mac]

So who came in last?
Ex-USC QB Mitch Mustain arrested on drug charge - ESPN Los Angeles (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=6083009&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines)

[TroyF]

We can put a wrap on the college careers now without a ton of debate, correct?

1) Tebow
2) Stafford
3) Smelley
4) Mustain

Looks like we'll only have to worry about two of them in the NFL, barring a Matt Cassell like breakout from Mustain.

[Logan]

We can put a wrap on the college careers now without a ton of debate, correct?

1) Tebow
2) Stafford
3) Smelley
4) Mustain

Looks like we'll only have to worry about two of them in the NFL, barring a Paul Crewe like breakout from Mustain.

Fixed for appropriateness.

[TroyF]

I watched a ton of HS film on all three. Stafford and Tebow will outshine Mustain in college. Of the three, Stafford will probably make the better pro QB, although Tebow could make some noise.


FWIW, the guy who seemed to nail this at the start was scout our own board leader Ben E Lou.

What really caused me a laugh was the comment from noop. Tebow is overrated and overhyped.

It isn't the analysis that caused me to laugh. It's the fact that 5 years later I feel like I'm in the same place. At the time he wrote that, I really didn't know if Tebow could play or not. I didn't know anything about any of those guys. Obviously, Tebow became the ultimate college star of the class.

Now I hear people say Tebow is overrated and overhyped as an NFL QB. And just like five years ago, I really don't know what to say. I'm on the fence and have no clue again. He may be a bad NFL QB, but I gotta see more before I make my opinion. I saw enough in college to know he wasn't overrated or overhyped in that venue.

[Edward64]

So who came in last?
Ex-USC QB Mitch Mustain arrested on drug charge - ESPN Los Angeles (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=6083009&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines)
What a waste. Maybe not good enough for the NFL but certainly good enough for 80% of other Div I schools.

[molson]

Fun thread. I haven't followed all this that closely - but do we have any idea now, after the fact, why Mitch Mustain went to USC? (as opposed to almost anywhere else where he could play).

[MJ4H]

Charges were dropped on Mustain btw (general theory is he cut a deal so they could get someone up the chain, but who knows).

[bhlloy]

Fun thread. I haven't followed all this that closely - but do we have any idea now, after the fact, why Mitch Mustain went to USC? (as opposed to almost anywhere else where he could play).

As far as I can see he really wasn't that bothered about playing, and just wanted a laid back big time program where he could stay relevant (which was definitely USC under Carroll). I don't know if he generally just doesn't care about football anymore, if he thought he could start at SC but just presented a laid back exterior when he didn't, or if he read the Matt Cassell story and thought that every backup at USC became an NFL starter but he just never seemed to care. Bit strange and a complete waste of talent.

[Edward64]

As far as I can see he really wasn't that bothered about playing, and just wanted a laid back big time program where he could stay relevant (which was definitely USC under Carroll). I don't know if he generally just doesn't care about football anymore, if he thought he could start at SC but just presented a laid back exterior when he didn't, or if he read the Matt Cassell story and thought that every backup at USC became an NFL starter but he just never seemed to care. Bit strange and a complete waste of talent.
I'm pretty sure he went to USC ready to compete but accepted the backup status over time.

But to his credit, let's not forget he did start at AR, won 8 games. Admittedly, most were shaky wins, not all were pretty, or by his arm, the majority probably due to RB McFadden and Jones. Then he got screwed by Nutt by being replaced by Casey Dick -- I still don't get that decision.

Even after his backup status at USC, he still had the opportunity to transfer to another school, after the Bush scandal, but decided to remain -- somehow, somewhere he accepted the backup status and became complacent.

And now, stupid sh*t like selling fake drugs. What an ass.

[SunDevil]

Mitch Mustain’s Circuitous Career Has Brought Him to Canada | The Big Lead (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/06/05/mitch-mustains-circuitous-career-has-brought-him-to-canada/)

Mitch Mustain’s Circuitous Career Has Brought Him to Canada

Let’s quickly go through the arc of Mitch Mustain’s football career:

High school star, went to Arkansas and started as a freshman. Went 8-0 before his parents had beef with coach Houston Nutt, at which point Mustain decided to QB-rich USC, where he barely got on the field. Earlier this year, he was arrested for selling prescription drugs to an undercover officer.

(About that: “It’s been taken care of and I did the community service. It was a lesson to learn from and I’m glad it’s behind me.”

Now, Mustain’s in Canada, trying to win the starting job for the Hamilton Ticats. Mustain, for being so highly-touted in high school, wasn’t even drafted. That’s shocking, since if you simply attend USC, you get drafted (see Matt Cassel). Heck, UNC’s TJ Yates was drafted in April. A QB from Idaho was drafted. The Jets took the Alabama QB, simply because he’s smart.

Mustain’s post-high school career has been a 5-year dumpster fire.

By the way, how many kids who have been named the ‘Gatorade high school Player of the Year’ have been busts?

2000 Brock Berlin Shreveport, LA Florida / Miami (FL)
2001 Joe Mauer St. Paul, MN signed by Minnesota Twins
2002 Lorenzo Booker Oxnard, CA Florida State
2003 Kyle Wright Danville, CA Miami (FL)
2004 Jeff Byers Fort Collins, CO USC
2005 Greg Paulus Syracuse, NY Duke (basketball)
2006 Mitch Mustain Springdale, AR Arkansas / USC
2007 John Brantley Ocala, FL Florida
2008 Matt Barkley Santa Ana, CA USC
2009 Garrett Gilbert Austin, TX Texas

Just looking at the last decade … other than Brock Berlin (perennial 3rd string NFL QB) and Lorenzo Booker (extremely modest NFL stats, but from this group, they’re excellent), what a motley crew. Mauer picked baseball, Paulus played hoops and then had fun with football for a year. Wright was terrible, Byers was nothing special at USC and went undrafted, and so far, Brantley and Gilbert have been unimpressive. Matt Barkley will probably wind up being the biggest Gatorade POY star since Peyton Manning (1994).

[Noop]

1. Mitch Mustain - In my opinion the top QB in this class. He has that "it"
2. Matthew Stafford - Will have a great college career.
3. Tim Tebow - Overrated and overhyped.

So much epic fail in this post.

[GrantDawg]

So much epic fail in this post.


It is all guessing that early. Many a coach wouldn't have made any better guess.

[Edward64]

It is all guessing that early. Many a coach wouldn't have made any better guess.
I think an argument can be made that Mustain did have the it. Regardless of whether Nutt was right/wrong in pulling him, Mustain should have sucked it up, he would have had at least 2 years of playing time. He should have gone to some place that he could have played.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Mustain ain't getting the starting job in Hamilton. Calling it now.

[Danny]

Just looking at the last decade … other than Brock Berlin (perennial 3rd string NFL QB) and Lorenzo Booker (extremely modest NFL stats, but from this group, they’re excellent), what a motley crew. Mauer picked baseball, Paulus played hoops and then had fun with football for a year. Wright was terrible, Byers was nothing special at USC and went undrafted, and so far, Brantley and Gilbert have been unimpressive. Matt Barkley will probably wind up being the biggest Gatorade POY star since Peyton Manning (1994).

Uh, Joe Mauer is a pretty good player:p

[DeToxRox]

Figured I'd bump this since Stafford and Tebow are facing off today.

[GrantDawg]

Figured I'd bump this since Stafford and Tebow are facing off today.


One of these things is not like the other.

[Ksyrup]

It certainly was Smelley.

[B & B]

#162-163 are my favorite posts in this thread.

[RomaGoth]

#162-163 are my favorite posts in this thread.

I prefer post #161.

[SunDevil]

Former USC Trojans QB Mitch Mustain signs with Chicago White Sox - ESPN Chicago (http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7561727/former-usc-trojans-qb-mitch-mustain-signs-chicago-white-sox)

[Honolulu_Blue]

I watched a ton of HS film on all three. Stafford and Tebow will outshine Mustain in college. Of the three, Stafford will probably make the better pro QB, although Tebow could make some noise.

Our fearless leader called this one early and accurately.

Of the four QBs discussed in this thread, I am very thankful that the Lions drafted the one they did.

[jbergey22]

So this is kind of tricky in the wording of the poll. Best Collegiate/Pro career.

Tebow had such a fabulous college career what does Stafford need to do to surpass him overall? 4-5 Pro Bowls? A Super Bowl Ring?

[RomaGoth]

So this is kind of tricky in the wording of the poll. Best Collegiate/Pro career.

Tebow had such a fabulous college career what does Stafford need to do to surpass him overall? 4-5 Pro Bowls? A Super Bowl Ring?

Perhaps an NFL career for Stafford that spans 10 years or so with a couple of Pro Bowls and a few playoff appearances might look better than Tebow's collegiate career at Florida. Especially if Tebow doesn't stick in the NFL like so many other Florida QB's are apt to do.