NFL Week 6

[vtbub]

Discuss here.

[Eaglesfan27]

I have 6 friends coming over (first one just got here - rest said they will be here in 10 minutes or so) who are all fans of the Saints. I'm wearing my McNabb jersey. Should be fun :)

[tucker rocky]

1st QTR, 14:36 1 2 3 4 T
Carolina 0
Baltimore -2<

1st and 10, ball on CAR 25
Last Play: [pn] kicks 79 yards from CAR 20 to BLT 1. B.Sams to BLT 1 for no gain.

GameCenter: Live Game Stats · Full Play-by-Play

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[tucker rocky]

1st QTR, 14:36 1 2 3 4 T
Carolina 0
Baltimore -2<

1st and 10, ball on CAR 25
Last Play: [pn] kicks 79 yards from CAR 20 to BLT 1. B.Sams to BLT 1 for no gain.

GameCenter: Live Game Stats · Full Play-by-Play

from nfl.com

Nevermind, corrected to no score.

Intersting though. :D

[TroyF]

Dallas has forgotten how to tackle. They have four face mask penalties less than 7 minutes into the game.

[lordscarlet]

CBS doesn't broadcast it's games in HD!? At least, not the TEN vs. WSH one.

[RPI-Fan]

CBS doesn't broadcast it's games in HD!? At least, not the TEN vs. WSH one.

They typically only do about 30-50% of their games in HD (Fox is more like 75-90%).

[JeeberD]

Dallas has forgotten how to tackle. They have four face mask penalties less than 7 minutes into the game.

From the one look I had at it, I didn't think that last one was a facemask...looked to me like Hurd got the front collar.

Still, the Cowboys are playing some UGLY ball right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

hey vtbub...how've you been? havn't seen you around much lately!

discuss here: okay...how about "i have a full slate of crappy games on my tv this week, to the point where i'm doing other things and just checking in occasionally. way to go nfl...way to ruin my weekend with DAL-HOU, ATL-NYG, NYJ-MIA and then DEN-OAK.

There honestly isn't a game in there that compels me to go "oh wow I wanna sit down and watch this!" With the possible exception of highlight-reel Vick who is on right now.

[JeeberD]

Holy crap, HELL of a punt from Mat McBriar! :eek:

[vtbub]

I read much more than I post, but I'm fine. Thanks for asking.

Giants-Falcons a pickfest so far.

[Tigercat]

If the Saints win today(which is a big if even up by 10 right now) can we please stop asking if the Saints are for real "Experts"? Thank you.

[Toddzilla]

I have 6 friends coming over (first one just got here - rest said they will be here in 10 minutes or so) who are all fans of the Saints. I'm wearing my McNabb jersey. Should be fun :)I'll bet your place is a regular parade down Bourbon Street right about now :)

[JeeberD]

Bledsoe is throwing some ugly ducks again this week...

[lordscarlet]

They typically only do about 30-50% of their games in HD (Fox is more like 75-90%).

What a piece of crap network.

[Tigercat]

Saints are getting some favorable breaks today, need to take advantage. Although Duece being out for now hurts, so I guess that about evens things out.

Getting some good pressure on Mcnabb has been the key to holding the Eagles scoreless so far, need to keep it up.

[DaddyTorgo]

Bledsoe is throwing some ugly ducks again this week...

welcome to drew bledsoe-ville.

[Towelhead]

i can't balieve what I'm seeing here. OMG.

This game makes it SO worth my wearing my Saints boxers all week long. AHEM.

[ISiddiqui]

That was a pretty TD by Dunn... 90 yard run.

[lordscarlet]

That was a pretty TD by Dunn... 90 yard run.

No it wasn't. He's on my fantasy opponent's team. :)

[Towelhead]

Hmm. Isn't Pumpy living in the Philly area? I wonder what team he's rooting for? Can't be the Broncos, huh?

GUNNER, CALL ME, YA BASTICH!

Damned Tourette syndrome.

[JeeberD]

Nice job, Drew...

[RedKingGold]

After a catch, WR Reggie Brown for the Eagles was surrounded by three Saint's defensive backs and out ran them all to the endzone (they were all IN FRONT of him).

Is Brown really that fast, or the Saints' secondary that slow?

[Towelhead]

After a catch, WR Reggie Brown for the Eagles was surrounded by three Saint's defensive backs and out ran them all to the endzone (they were all IN FRONT of him).

Is Brown really that fast, or the Saints' secondary that slow?


A little of both. CB was our biggest off season need, and the best (granted, a rookie) safety went down last week.

For the last decade, there used to be two or three big plays like that every quarter. In THAT context, that play was an aberration.

Towie

(Whew@saints recovering the mcallister fumble)

[JeeberD]

Drew got fuckin' lucky on that TD pass...

[sabotai]

Looks like the Saints' defense is starting to self-destruct.

[wade moore]

All of these freakin' young Running QB's should have it just DRILLED into them to freakin' slide.

[JeeberD]

ROMO!!!

[wade moore]

If the Skins lose this game they need to freakin' give Jason Campbell the first team work in practice this week, start him the rest of the season, and just accept that the season is done.

[JeeberD]

TD Tony Romo! Woohoo!

2-2, 35 yards, 1 TD :)

[Towelhead]

The Saints are gonna drive me to drinkin'. AGH!! Exciting game EVERY week!

[JeeberD]

Come on, Saints!

[Travis]

Wow, what a final two minutes in the St. Louis/Seattle game. Hasselbeck earned his pay today.

[DeToxRox]

TOUCHDOWN TAMPA BAY ON 4TH AND FOUR!!!

[DeToxRox]

13-13 pending the XP. WHERE IS RENDER?

[DeToxRox]

14-13 TB on Cinncy with 35 seconds left. All 3 TO for the Bengals

[sabotai]

Saints win!!!

[DeToxRox]

TJ Houshmanzadah 19 yard reception, 22 seconds left.

[DeToxRox]

Palmer is rushed for an incomplete pass. 18 seconds left, 2nd and 10.

[DeToxRox]

Palmer is sacked. 10 seconds left, 1 TO left. 3rd and probably 18.

[DeToxRox]

Cinncy to the TB 43, 5 seconds left.

[DeToxRox]

Shayne Graham is going for a 62 yard FG

[DeToxRox]

Not even close. TB wins.

[henry296]

So far three of the winless teams have won. What a great league.

[sterlingice]

Contrasted to last week where the favorites were 14-0, this week they're 2-6 (Seattle, Dalls)

SI

[Towelhead]

Oh, god. I think i just shit myself.

The only thing that would have made this game any better for me would have been a different color commentary man, other than Aikman.

Peyton coached the game of his life. Of MY life. lol

WHO DAT!!

[RendeR]

Not being able to actually watch the game I have to look at the stats and wonder WTF happened? I gotta return to my long held belief that Chuck bresnahan is a complete fucking moron.

Grats to the Buccs, they should've lost this game by a lot based on the play by plays, penalties and an offensive line thats not playing up to its ability seem to be killing us. I'm not even going to start in on what I think of the defense.

Gah. What a pathetic way to come out of the bye week.

[TroyF]

So far three of the winless teams have won. What a great league.

Man, I sure hope that isn't a sign for things to come tonight.

Interesting games. The Rams continue to be the "lucky" team this year. Seems to be one team every year that gets nearly every break. Opposing teams fumble the ball, hit the upright, get the key penalty. Only an incredible kick by Brown prevented them from carrying that to a 5-1 record.

The Saints look pretty darned good. I've never seen Deuce run this well. Huge loss for the Redskins. The Ravens defense was carved up like a turkey and the Texans continue to look horrible.

Chargers and Niners already tied up with TD's in the afternoon games. Steelers seem to be looking good in a game they must have.

[rowech]

[quote=RendeR;1274801] I gotta return to my long held belief that Chuck bresnahan is a complete fucking moron.

quote]

He is an idiot. Both of our coordinators are. One because he refuses to blitz, except on 3rd and 3 when they have called a damn quick slant every 3rd and medium in the game and then they tear it off for 15 yards.

Our offensive coordinator is because he stops using Rudi (even if it's not there you keep pounding) until he tries to run out the clock with 4:30 left, then calls his patented and yet creative shovel pass play on 3rd and 12.

I've been saying it for two years. Both those guys need to go. They don't understand what kind of talent they have. With the secondary we have, especially when Dexter Jackson comes back, we should be rushing 5 or 6 EVERY play.

[JeeberD]

Good lord, KC's defense looks HORRIBLE!

[LionsFan10]

TD Tony Romo! Woohoo!

2-2, 35 yards, 1 TD :)

And who caught that touchdown pass, Jeeber? :D

[stevew]

Man, bad day to be a Chiefs fan.

[sterlingice]

Phillip Rivers with a great stat line already today.

Chiefs/Steelers unfortunately is the local game so I'm going to be stuck with this schlock all afternoon.

SI

[Buccaneer]

What a great day so far, Saints win, Panthers win, Bucs win, Falcons lose, and the Bolts winning. The only unfortunate thing was TO catching 3 TDs. That's like feeding the troll.

[JeeberD]

And who caught that touchdown pass, Jeeber? :D

One of our wide receivers. Duh...

[LionsFan10]

One of our wide receivers. Duh...

Wouldn't be some guy by the name of "Owens" would it? Just curious, I have this Owens character in my fantasy league. ;)

[stevew]

I bet jeeber cheered for TO today.

[stevew]

And it sucked how they pulled away from the Bengals/Bucs game on both of my CBS affiliates today. Especially with Gradkowski being a local boy, and getting an important win.

[JeeberD]

And you would lose that bet.

[tucker rocky]

Good lord, KC's defense looks HORRIBLE!

....and so does their offense, 47 yards total. Total uuuuugggggly.

[tucker rocky]

....and so does their offense, 47 yards total. Total uuuuugggggly.

If Myron Cope was still calling games, I wonder what phrases he'd be using?

[hoopsguy]

And Larry Johnson pulls down Polamalu (sp?) by the hair on an interception runback.

[Hurst2112]

And Larry Johnson pulls down Polamalu (sp?) by the hair on an interception runback.

and gets the penalty. funny.

[sterlingice]

And Larry Johnson pulls down Polamalu (sp?) by the hair on an interception runback.

I'm kinda curious how that is a penalty. Sure, it's a cheap, stupid, and not altogether manly thing to do, but how is it against the rules?

SI

[henry296]

And Larry Johnson pulls down Polamalu (sp?) by the hair on an interception runback.

My guess on the penalty is that it is similiar to a horse collar tackle.

[Coffee Warlord]

Announcers are saying it was 'cause of the hair, but there was a quasi fight after that, so I'm kind of wondering if the penalty was due to something after the play.

[Hurst2112]

taunting is the call on that

[sterlingice]

Ah, yeah, they just announced that- penalized for stupidity after the play, not the "tackle" itself.

SI

[henry296]

Announcers are saying it was 'cause of the hair, but there was a quasi fight after that, so I'm kind of wondering if the penalty was due to something after the play.

Good call.

[Hurst2112]

larry johnson is playing like grand mama today.

[Coffee Warlord]

Good call.

Gotta do something, as I have to wait an extra day to see the Bears demolish Arizona. :)

I really do hate when my team is on MNF. Yes, it's a good thing, because traditionally MNF books you when you have a good team, but dammit, I want the Bears on sundays!

[larrymcg421]

Why does Miami even bother passing the ball? We need to hand off to Ronnie Brown every play.

[Raiders Army]

I'm kinda curious how that is a penalty. Sure, it's a cheap, stupid, and not altogether manly thing to do, but how is it against the rules?

SI

I think the announcers made it perfectly clear that it wasn't against the rules. If you look at the play closely, you'll see that LJ pulled Polumanu up by his hair which was the real penalty...that's what the announcers failed to notice.

[Raiders Army]

Announcers are saying it was 'cause of the hair, but there was a quasi fight after that, so I'm kind of wondering if the penalty was due to something after the play.

Dola, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the quasi fight since the penalty was on #27.

[sterlingice]

I think the announcers made it perfectly clear that it wasn't against the rules. If you look at the play closely, you'll see that LJ pulled Polumanu up by his hair which was the real penalty...that's what the announcers failed to notice.

Wasn't really listening to them. I had long since turned the game down as it's just kindof boring :p

SI

[kingfc22]

If only the Niners had some ability to make any kind of play on defense. :(

What a waste of a good offense.

[Raiders Army]

Yeah, I'm not really watching but I skipped by that while I was waiting for the Jets/Fins game to resume....

...also meant that LJ pulled Polumanu up by his hair after he tackled him with his hair.

[larrymcg421]

Sigh.

[stevew]

Welcome to the NFL, Brody Croyle.

[larrymcg421]

The Dolphins do this just to torture me.

[larrymcg421]

I hereby take back every joke I've ever made about Joey Harrington if he can pull this off.

[JeeberD]

Teehee, good job, Olindo...

[k0ruptr]

fucking mare.

[stevew]

Nice 3rd down pass there.

[miami_fan]

This football season is sooooo fucking depressing

[TroyF]

Just saw that roughing the QB call in the Bengal game, what a horrific call.

[stevew]

Definitely looked like bodyslamming someone in the grasp to me.

[Icy]

Crap Mare.

I guess Saban is thinking on why the hell he didn't go for it on 4th and 1 at the Jets 1 yard line when the score was 0-6 and why the hell did he replace Brown with Morris on a second down when Brown was having over 5ypc (and of course Morris screwed it fumbling). I blame both Saban and of course our crap secondary on this lose.

[k0ruptr]

At least Carolina won. w00t. 4 wins in a row, looking much better now

[TroyF]

Watched Football Night in America for the first time tonight. What a pathetic excuse of a show. I mean, it's beyond bad.

[LionsFan10]

Watched Football Night in America for the first time tonight. What a pathetic excuse of a show. I mean, it's beyond bad.

I see I'm not the only one who felt this way. There must've been five or six pauses for no apparent reason where neither Costas, 'nor anybody were speaking that would last for five or ten seconds at a time.

It's sad too, because I actually like Costas.

[Travis]

9 point lead for my fantasy team heading into this game. I have James and Elam to go while my opponent has Bell. I've got a feeling the Oakland defense is going to make that lead disappear in a hurry and leave me needing Edge to get 10+ points against the Bears D tomorrow.

[rowech]

Definitely looked like bodyslamming someone in the grasp to me.

Uhmmmm....not when there's not a whistle. IN the grasp is called when the whistle blows...until then? You play.

[Greyroofoo]

anyone else hate the Coors Light commercials?

[Eaglesfan27]

Really smart by the Saints to run down the clock at the end of the game.


Definitely not how I thought or was hoping the game would go. At least my buddies had a good time. They all broke out victory cigars that I bought them as part of the bet afterwards..

Oh well, hopefully, the Eagles can get them back in the playoffs.

[Huckleberry]

65 rushes, 195 yards, 3.0 ypc
38 receptions, 285 yards, 7.5 ypc

Amazingly pedestrian numbers yet people on TV keep telling me the man that owns these figures is the greatest gamebreaking threat in the league. The question is at what point does he actually have to do something?

[Greyroofoo]

Wow, Randy Moss actually put effort into a play

[stevew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfS9KQsExgs

Ticky tack call, although he faceslammed the guys head into the turf.

[TroyF]

65 rushes, 195 yards, 3.0 ypc
38 receptions, 285 yards, 7.5 ypc

Amazingly pedestrian numbers yet people on TV keep telling me the man that owns these figures is the greatest gamebreaking threat in the league. The question is at what point does he actually have to do something?

Well, he did have a punt return the won them a football game. He hasn't been great for most of the year and his numbers weren't great today, but I'd argue he had a pretty decent impact on the game.

[TroyF]

Thoughts after the first half:

1) I really like Champ Bailey.

2) The tennis ball thing Walker uses to practice with is pretty damned cool. He's been the best third down WR in the league this year. Getting him for a 2nd round pick is a steal.

3) Cecil Sapp has to make that catch.

4) Art Shell and Al Davis look like statues.

5) That personal foul by the CB was one of the dumber penalties you'll ever see. Two feet from the ref, he throws a two hand slap to the head of Marshall. Man, I know they are stupid, but good lord.

[LionsFan10]

65 rushes, 195 yards, 3.0 ypc
38 receptions, 285 yards, 7.5 ypc

Amazingly pedestrian numbers yet people on TV keep telling me the man that owns these figures is the greatest gamebreaking threat in the league. The question is at what point does he actually have to do something?

I don't think Reggie Bush is all that great yet, either.

[rowech]

The fact New Orleans has been improved immensely with him and Brees should say enough. His being on the field is simply enough. He leads the league in receptions. He's never going to be 1000 yard back. (at least I don't think so) I do think he'll get 800 and 800 though.

[Logan]

Well, he did have a punt return the won them a football game. He hasn't been great for most of the year and his numbers weren't great today, but I'd argue he had a pretty decent impact on the game.

Not to mention that he doesn't need to put up the stats some are looking for to have a big effect on his team. 38 receptions for a RB is a tremendous number at this point of the season...if those are coming on dump-offs when Brees can't find a receiver, and Bush is grinding out first downs as a result, that is having a big impact.

Don't blame Bush because other people are claiming he'll re-define the NFL.

[Eaglesfan27]

Also, there were quite a few fakes to Bush that led to good plays for other receivers for the Saints today (and each week for that matter.)

[Huckleberry]

So far nothing said here couldn't be applied to the majority of starting running backs in the league.

[larrymcg421]

So far nothing said here couldn't be applied to the majority of starting running backs in the league.

Except the part about leading the league in receptions and returning a punt for the winning TD.

[TroyF]

So far nothing said here couldn't be applied to the majority of starting running backs in the league.


What? Other RB's have returned punts to win a game? Other RB's are leading the league in receptions? Other RB's, by their mere presence on the wide side of the field can draw double coverage that was and leave a TE or slot WR on the inside of him open, as the Saints did multiple times today?

No, he isn't running the ball well yet. He needs to be more decisive and cut up the field more quickly. He also hasn't had as many big plays as I figured he would have by now. Should that continue for another 5 or 6 weeks, I'll be a bit more concerned.

But saying he's just another RB? Please. . .

[bhlloy]

Eh... Bush will always have haters I guess. Nobody seems to be bringing up the fact that Mario Williams has been practically invisible and the Texans still suck.

Like the previous 2 posters have said, a game winning punt return for a TD and leading the league in receptions is a pretty good return for a rookie 5 games into his career. His first couple of games he was getting tackled for big losses too often, but since then I think he's looked fine running the ball. Considering he's basically a backup running back (not sure anybody expected Deuce to look this damn good), occasional slot reciever and a punt returner, I don't know what people are expecting to see.

Troy - keep the faith. Once he's adjusted and seeing the holes better he'll have his share of big plays, and the return against TB could well be the turning point of your season. The Bucs aren't as bad as everyone has been saying, but if you don't pull that game out it really hurts team morale.

[stevew]

The guy who's completed 47% of his attempts for 5.2 yards per attempt, 3 tds and 4 interceptions doesn't look too hot either.

[Groundhog]

The guy who's completed 47% of his attempts for 5.2 yards per attempt, 3 tds and 4 interceptions doesn't look too hot either.

To be honest, I was expecting he'd do worse than he has.

[Butter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfS9KQsExgs

Ticky tack call, although he faceslammed the guys head into the turf.

C'mon, Steve, if Joey Porter did that and it ended up costing the Steelers a game, you'd be crying all week about it. That was maybe the worst roughing the passer call I've ever seen... QB's just need to learn to fall helmet first onto the ground so they could get the call.

Bengals offense still looks like ass though. Not sure wtf they're doing this year.

[ISiddiqui]

re: Reggie Bush

I think the fact that McAllister is the starting RB is going to lead to less impressive running stats for Bush. After all, Bush is basically the 3rd down back now because McAllister is (and has been) a very, very good RB. Bush doesn't necessarily get all that many touches in the run game and isn't really able to get in any kind of rhythm running the ball.

[stevew]

C'mon, Steve, if Joey Porter did that and it ended up costing the Steelers a game, you'd be crying all week about it. That was maybe the worst roughing the passer call I've ever seen... QB's just need to learn to fall helmet first onto the ground so they could get the call.

Bengals offense still looks like ass though. Not sure wtf they're doing this year.

Dude, I'd be crying about that one for the next half decade. I'm still pissed off about that random running into the kicker penalty vs the Titans in the 2002 playoffs. And the Bettis coinflip tails call that wasn't back in thanksgiving of '98 or thereabouts.

[wade moore]

Dude, I'd be crying about that one for the next half decade. I'm still pissed off about that random running into the kicker penalty vs the Titans in the 2002 playoffs. And the Bettis coinflip tails call that wasn't back in thanksgiving of '98 or thereabouts.

That coinflip is one of the most mindboggling events I've witnessed in professional sports.

[Butter]

The coinflip was a completely ridiculous call, but as a Steeler hater, it was extraordinarily hilarious.

[stevew]

The coinflip was a completely ridiculous call, but as a Steeler hater, it was extraordinarily hilarious.
:)

[Pumpy Tudors]

That coinflip cost Charles Johnson his chance at Super Bowl glory. That was the first of five straight Pittsburgh losses to end the 1998 season, and CJ was gone the next year.

11-26-98 :(

[vtbub]

11-26-98 :(


Hey, anytime Thanksgiving falls on my birthday, it's not a bad day. Turkey and gravy for dinner, mmmmmm.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Hmm. Isn't Pumpy living in the Philly area? I wonder what team he's rooting for? Can't be the Broncos, huh?
I missed this the first time around. Nah, I'm in Steelers country. Nobody cared about me being a Broncos fan in New Orleans, but now than I'm in an AFC city, I get shit every week. :(

[Daimyo]

I've only seen two Saints games this season, but from what I've seen Reggie Bush is a terrible RB right now. He seems to have solid value as a receiver out of the backfield, in the slot and as a decoy. He is also a very good punt returner. At this point I guess he's a poor man's Brian Westbrook who can return punts well. On the whole though I can't imagine this is what people had in mind when they were calling him a once a generation prospect.

The team either needs to come up with new, creative ways to get him the ball in open space (where he is incredibly dangerous) or he needs to figure out how to run effectively between the tackles.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I've only seen two Saints games this season, but from what I've seen Reggie Bush is a terrible RB right now. He seems to have solid value as a receiver out of the backfield, in the slot and as a decoy. He is also a very good punt returner. At this point I guess he's a poor man's Brian Westbrook who can return punts well. On the whole though I can't imagine this is what people had in mind when they were calling him a once a generation prospect.

The team either needs to come up with new, creative ways to get him the ball in open space (where he is incredibly dangerous) or he needs to figure out how to run effectively between the tackles.
Reggie Bush still has a lot to learn, no doubt. What's amazing is that he's having an effect on defenses, even though he's only getting 3 yards per carry. Look at other backs who have similar YPC numbers: Reuben Droughns (3.3), Maurice Morris (3.1), Ron Dayne (2.9), Kevan Barlow (2.8), and Edgerrin James (2.7). None of these guys are going to alter a defense just by their mere presence on the field.

Well, if Barlow's on the field, the defense might catch a quick nap, but I digress.

I see your point about Bush not looking like a great running back right now, and I agree that he isn't. I was under the impression that he wasn't drafted to be a running back, though. People throw around the term "playmaker" as his position, and by the end of the season, I think that's exactly what he'll be. I don't think he'll ever be a top RB in the NFL like Shaun Alexander or Tiki Barber. He's opening up opportunities for his teammates, though, and that has just about as much value. If Reggie Bush does get his rushing numbers up, he'll be the type of all-purpose player that the league hasn't seen in years.