View Full Version : The Hattrick Epidemic
dacman
02-26-2003, 10:41 AM
I wonder how long the wait is in Sweden?
Country: Sverige
Season: 18
Number of teams: 27304
Number of regions: 27 regions
Top series: Allsvenskan
Online users: 1735
Active users: 26290
Waiting list: 8175
I also wonder if they may be holding off on all new registrations because of the recent IP move and subsequant web server problems.
More money floating around.
NevStar
02-26-2003, 11:13 AM
We may be a season or two from adding another US division. This link was posted on the Global Hattrick conference yesterday. I found it quite interesting.
http://www.dandy.at/managers.html
There are teams that are far more in need of a new division than us (Belgium, Denmark, Argentina, Romania, Norway). When you take into account that for each of these new divisions, over 8000 teams & initial players must be created, the additional load on their hardware would be significant.
This is purely speculation, keep in mind I never have any idea what I'm talking about.
Where's Waldo?
GOT HIM!!! I got my solid keeper!! Let the heavens rejoice!
SplitPersonality1
02-26-2003, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by ardent enthusiast
GOT HIM!!! I got my solid keeper!! Let the heavens rejoice!
Bite me ardent! :D
DataKing
02-26-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by ardent enthusiast
Where's Waldo?
GOT HIM!!! I got my solid keeper!! Let the heavens rejoice!
I see he put up a 3 star performance his last time out. Should be a nice upgrade for the Raiders.
Just remember...defense is for wimps, right? :rolleyes:
I told ya FOFC was gonna kill Hattie
HornedFrog Purple
02-26-2003, 03:39 PM
Look out, beer is on me! I could not keep this guy because of his last last name.
Your team has received 140 US$ because Wei Hyun-Suk (5622602), who was promoted from your youth squad, was recently sold for 7 000 US$.
dacman
02-26-2003, 03:41 PM
Now I know why some peeps speculate on the transfer market.
Aristeo Florez (8467449)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is tranquil and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Speciality: Head
Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 11 000 US$
Wage: 540 US$/week
Owner: Rochester Roosters
Warnings: 0
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
Just picked him up for $1,000 measly ones. I don't have a great feel for the market, but surely he's worth more than that!?!?!?
Originally posted by bbor
I told ya FOFC was gonna kill Hattie
Bbor needs some sleep. :)
Originally posted by dacman
Speciality: Head
Just picked him up for $1,000 measly ones. I don't have a great feel for the market, but surely he's worth more than that!?!?!?
And he gives great Head :D
Originally posted by ardent enthusiast
Bbor needs some sleep. :)
Word@Sleep :)
Oh yea...that was a Dola too
and so is this
Barkeep49
02-26-2003, 08:59 PM
I am so excited I just got my team... Less exciting for me is who is in first place... Some team named Spilt Personality. :) I am trying to get some grips on my team but I am very excited to be starting this game.
McSweeny
02-26-2003, 09:05 PM
wooohooo! looks like i will be getting my team soon after all! 26 teams were added yesterday. Hope I get mine tomorrow
samifan24
02-26-2003, 11:08 PM
Didn't I hear somebody mention a new program which is sort of like HAM? I don't want to pay for HAM but I can't find the post about the new program. Anybody know what I'm talking about and have a link? Thanks.
This one guy posted something about it, I emailed him and he said he needed developers. So basically, it sounded to me like a guy with a bunch of great ideas, just no way to make them work.
HornedFrog Purple
02-27-2003, 11:57 PM
As much as I hated to do it, I stuck this kid on the transfer list:
Alex Anderson (8050414)
18 years, wretched form, healthy
Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 75 000 US$
Wage: 1 160 US$/week
Owner: Cedar Pond Horned Toads
Warnings: 0
Stamina: wretched Goaltending: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: passable
I could not get him any playing time with 2 passable keepers already on the team. If you are looking for a decent backup keeper with solid leadership and decent set piece taking (he did score a goal for me in a friendly), I put him on the list for 10k.
SplitPersonality1
02-28-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Barkeep49
I am so excited I just got my team... Less exciting for me is who is in first place... Some team named Spilt Personality. :) I am trying to get some grips on my team but I am very excited to be starting this game.
Congrats on getting your team. However, the first place team is definately not mine. My Little Green Monsters are in 7th place in my league and are not a threat to anyone at the moment. We have been outscored 42-0 in our last 10 games (dating back to the last regime).
Now I must go to hatttrick, find out who the imposter is and take him out.
Neuqua
02-28-2003, 11:42 PM
Great, I finally get a team the day the CM4 demo and OOTP5 come out!
Ah well, My team ID is: 71529 for any of those wanting to beat up on a newbie.
Neuqua
Originally posted by Neuqua
Great, I finally get a team the day the CM4 demo and OOTP5 come out!
Ah well, My team ID is: 71529 for any of those wanting to beat up on a newbie.
Neuqua
Decisions....decisions...:)
Katon
03-01-2003, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Neuqua
Great, I finally get a team the day the CM4 demo and OOTP5 come out!
Ah well, My team ID is: 71529 for any of those wanting to beat up on a newbie.
Neuqua
Same here. Too many games, too little time!
Easy Mac
03-01-2003, 09:37 AM
Thankfully, Hattrick isn'tall that time consuming since it is a day to day thing. It doesn't take long to scour the market and your team changes only 1x a week, so you dion't have to constantly check on it. Of course whjen you have 80,000 dollars left and don't want to spend more, you spend less time.
The Afoci
03-01-2003, 09:47 AM
I got a challenge from denmark, what is the benifits or disadvantages from having a friendly from a different country.
Do i have to pay for them to get here?
robbgmaier
03-01-2003, 10:03 AM
>>I got a challenge from denmark, what is the benifits or disadvantages from having a friendly from a different country.
Do i have to pay for them to get here?>>
The visiting team pays $6K for travel expenses. The crowd is usually bigger, and you get twice as much experience as a local friendly. All in all it's a great deal for the home side.
rob
illinifan999
03-01-2003, 10:05 AM
YOu don;t have to pay anything if they are visiting you, but if you go to Denmark, then you have to pay something like $6,000.
The Afoci
03-01-2003, 10:21 AM
thanks, go crawfish
Easy Mac
03-01-2003, 11:46 AM
Did I get a deal? I bought the following player for 17K:
Kristinn Daníelsson (7362272)
19 years, inadequate form, healthy
Stamina: excellent_
Goaltending: disastrous_
Playmaking: weak_
Passing: passable_
Winger: wretched_
Defending: weak_
Scoring: inadequate_
Set Pieces: inadequate_
3 goals
I think I can bring up the inadequates. I bought him b/c I sold my top striker, he was 29 anyway. I also bought an 18 year old with inad. in scoring and D, which I'm training now, for 1000.
Did I do a good job?
And check Sweden for transfers, it seems young guys can fall through the cracks.
He could be fairly decent. I had a 18 year old weak scorer just pop to passable in scoring this past week and he's now 20. I'll probably try to sell him for face value now. I could see you getting him to solid in two seasons or so. Good luck!
He popped to passable from weak?;)
He also popped from 18 to 20 :)
mrushh
03-01-2003, 12:56 PM
Years old? In one week?
It's a joke. No, he was one of my early youth pulls...
Hmm...my players never POP...they only FLOP :)
Easy Mac
03-01-2003, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by bbor
Hmm...my players never POP...they only FLOP :)
You know, they have a fix for that. It's called Viagra.
daedalus
03-01-2003, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Easy Mac
Kristinn Daníelsson (7362272)
I think it's an excellent buy. Mind you, I don't actually have solid or excellent scorers like Ardent but I have a forward like that (passable passing/inadequate scoring) who's done darn solidly for me. And, of course, if you train shooting like Ardent, you shouldn't have much problem bringing him up to passable/passable at least.
McSweeny
03-01-2003, 11:06 PM
just got my team! woohoo!
S. Boston Hooligans (71008)
Country: USA
Region: Boston
Arena: S. Boston Hooligans Arena
Language: English
Series: # 8 in V.103
Owner
Owner: Jim McSweeny
Alias: McSweeny Online!
McSweeny
03-01-2003, 11:30 PM
friendly anyone? the team i took over is 0-11 with 1 goal for and 76 against! boo-yah
Eilim
03-02-2003, 12:35 AM
Well, already have a friendly scheduled this week, but would love to get a "Best of Boston" matchup sometime and get a friendly little rivalry going. Maybe try and make it a yearly event.
Any others pick Boston as their region? Maybe we could arrange a Mini-Cup. :)
HornedFrog Purple
03-02-2003, 01:40 AM
Alex Anderson (8050414)
18 years, wretched form, healthy
Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 75 000 US$
Wage: 1 160 US$/week
Owner: Cedar Pond Horned Toads
Warnings: 0
Stamina: wretched Goaltending: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: passable
18 hours left. Only one bid at 10k.
Shameless plug.
Shameless alright. Look at that form :)
HornedFrog Purple
03-02-2003, 01:44 AM
Dola.
Read and weep. I am a goalie pulling farm.
Otis Crow (8593107)
280 000 US$, 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: disastrous Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: poor
3 passable keepers, whatever shall I do? :cool:
You suck. People get mad at me! However, one of us is still in D5 next year...
daedalus
03-02-2003, 02:52 AM
Meanwhile . . . I pull an inadequate playmaker who's poor at everything else. But, hey, passable form, though! Yeehaw! My 20 000 weekly spending is working out oh-so-well.
sterlingice
03-02-2003, 03:54 AM
Meanwhile . . . I pull an inadequate playmaker who's poor at everything else. But, hey, passable form, though! Yeehaw! My 20 000 weekly spending is working out oh-so-well.
I feel your pain. I have spent enough to get my youth squad to passable and I have a grand total of a $1K sale and a whole lot of firings to show for it.
SI
Vince
03-02-2003, 06:55 AM
So count me among the hooked :)
Couple of questions:
1) How important is it to watch your money? I'm definitely going to kick up my youth squad spending, but should I worry about getting into debt early? If I kick up my youth squad, it looks like I'll be losing about 15k a week...I have 300k right now. Thoughts?
2) I have a passable coach already (woo-hoo), and he is defensive minded. Not to start a war between ardent and HFP, but how much should the fact that he is defensive minded influence my decision to have an offensive or defensive strategy? Should I even care? Also, should I worry too much about his weak leadership rating?
3) My best keeper is rated weak (and everyone else is wretched or disastrous), so I'm definitely in the market for a keeper. Since my team is 5th, and probably only going down in the very near future, should I just go for an inadequate keeper?
4) Finally, how quickly should I expect development to occur? I've got three or four guys who seem pretty good (estimated value in six figures), but two of them are 25 and 26. Are they going to get any better, or should I try to get money for them now?
I'll look into this more tomorrow when I have time, but you guys know much more about this than I, and I know nothing about soccer (maybe this will finally get me into CM :))
Oh yeah, my team info:
Isla Vista Vandals (70384)
#5 in V.25 (13 goals for, 34 goals against, 13 points)
USA, California region
Challenge me sometime :)
McSweeny
03-02-2003, 11:45 AM
i just started my team so i'm pretty much looking to rebuild. My current keeper is rated inadequate and i'm looking to get a new one. Should i pay 150,000 for a passable one with solid form?
after this i'm looking to beef up my defense. What should i look for in my back four?
Anyone up for a friendly? Team # = 103399, bring on the challenges.
I STILL heart this thread
Vince
03-02-2003, 01:54 PM
bbor - You get to look forward to my team sucking as much as your team, if that helps :)
McSweeny
03-02-2003, 01:56 PM
just picked up this guy to help my defense out. Cost me 100,000
Fred Nowak
104 000 US$, 27 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: passable
QuikSand
03-02-2003, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by McSweeny
i just started my team so i'm pretty much looking to rebuild. My current keeper is rated inadequate and i'm looking to get a new one. Should i pay 150,000 for a passable one with solid form?
after this i'm looking to beef up my defense. What should i look for in my back four?
You shouldn't have to pay that much for a passable keeper - probably only about $110,000 for a decent guy. Keep looking.
For your defenders, you probably want to move one of them up to play inner midfield, and essentially get into a 3-5-2 setup. With limited resources, it makes sense to go for either guys with "solid" defending and little else (costing $100k or more), or else guys with "passable" defense and perhaps some complementary decent skills like winger, playmaking or passing. You can pick up guys with two or three ratings of inad or passable fairly affordably/
Originally posted by Vince
bbor - You get to look forward to my team sucking as much as your team, if that helps :)
Welcome to suckville Vince:)
Originally posted by bbor
Welcome to suckville Vince:)
DOLA!
Hrmm...i should really read what i think in my mind before i type it.....
there are too many lines that could be said after this.:D
McSweeny
03-02-2003, 02:56 PM
so you think i should play a 3-5-2 instead of a 4-4-2? my team isn't experienced in 3-5-2, does that matter?
4-5-1...and nothing but 4-5-1
The more you play with the line up the better it will get...your team may be disorganized for the first few games
sterlingice
03-02-2003, 03:53 PM
from Vince:
1) How important is it to watch your money? I'm definitely going to kick up my youth squad spending, but should I worry about getting into debt early? If I kick up my youth squad, it looks like I'll be losing about 15k a week...I have 300k right now. Thoughts?
2) I have a passable coach already (woo-hoo), and he is defensive minded. Not to start a war between ardent and HFP, but how much should the fact that he is defensive minded influence my decision to have an offensive or defensive strategy? Should I even care? Also, should I worry too much about his weak leadership rating?
3) My best keeper is rated weak (and everyone else is wretched or disastrous), so I'm definitely in the market for a keeper. Since my team is 5th, and probably only going down in the very near future, should I just go for an inadequate keeper?
4) Finally, how quickly should I expect development to occur? I've got three or four guys who seem pretty good (estimated value in six figures), but two of them are 25 and 26. Are they going to get any better, or should I try to get money for them now?
I see two different paths for the money situation- if you have a pretty good team right now, then go straight for the stadium expansion as soon as next season starts. If you have a weaker team, you'll need to spend that cash on players. It all depends on the hand you were dealt to start. If you need players, the stadium expansion will have to wait until you make your sponsors more happy and get more cash.
I think the key with your coach is "should i even care". You have a passable coach without spending any money. You probably shouldn't care.
The third question relates to number 1. If you have a good team, go put down that $80 to $100K on a passable goalie. It takes time to find one around $80K but can be done and saves you money for other players. Since you aren't going anywhere this year, you don't want to overpay something like $110K-$120K for someone you can get for cheaper and spend on a young trainable player. BTW, if 4th is attainable, you can get a little bit of prize cash at the end of the year.
Lastly, depends on how badly you need them and if you think you can blow out your team and start over without overpaying for stuff. I suspect the answer is no. You learn from mistakes or very careful observation and you don't have the wealth :rolleyes: of experience from the first that some of us do: I almost paid $55K for an inad keeper my first day until the guy, whose keeper I was bidding on, messaged this guy I was in a bidding war with and myself and told us to stop. Thankfully the other guy "won".
The number of weeks for guys to grow from one level to the next can generally be done by this formula (goalies take a week or two less, defenders take a week or two more) =
(Age - 10) + (Coach's skill below solid, so passable for you = 1). Your 26yo will take a while, as you can see. Also, this is with a full compliment of coaches (ie 6-8 assistants). Adjust your team accordingly.
SI
HornedFrog Purple
03-02-2003, 08:31 PM
I am the undisputed king of futility.
Once again I will finish 2nd and once again I fell short in trying to win the division 2-1 this week. 2007 can't come fast enough. :D
DataKing
03-02-2003, 08:48 PM
If you all want to see the sort of nail-biting finishes that the Hattrick engine can produce, check out my league match from today. I damn near had a heart attack watching this one.
Is it wrong to verbally cheer your players on, or curse at them, even though they're actually nothing more than bits and bytes?
Now if you'll all excuse me, I think I am going to faint...
:D
PilotMan
03-02-2003, 08:51 PM
I still have a chance to won the division, but its going to come down to the last match of the year and I will have to win. My opponent hasn't allowed a goal in a while (neither have I), but his O is so good. He has 65 goals so far this year.
In fact If I were to win out I would be up for automatic promotion, since my points are high enough.
SO dissapointing, although winning streak is up to 11 matches. :)
My team is getting old and I am in debt, don't know how long I'll be able to hold on.
Eilim
03-02-2003, 08:51 PM
I was watching your game along with mine, DK.
Is it wrong to verbally cheer players on, or curse at them, when it isn't even your team? :(
After those first two goals I was in shock and actually stopped paying attention to my game to focus on yours and try to will your team to win. ;)
McSweeny
03-02-2003, 08:55 PM
well i got whipped in my first ever league game 5-0. They had possesion 97% of the time. Boooo! looks like i need some mid-field help. My central defense was strong during the game so that's a plus i guess. My strikers played fairly good too. Just couldn't hold onto the ball at all.
2 games left, if i win them both i have a chance of finishing in a tie for last place.
I get my ass kicked and i'm royally addicted! :D
The_herd
03-02-2003, 09:37 PM
Have to brag about my defense after this match, a 3-0 win over Toe Jam. And just to keep my head out of the clouds I'll show you how bad my attack usually is too.
Midfield: poor
Right Side Defence: EXCELLENT
Central Defence: OUTSTANDING
Left Side Defence: FORMIDABLE
Right Side Attack: weak
Central Attack: poor
Left Side Attack: weak
And in 9 league matches now, I haven't allowed a goal. If you include friendlies, quiksand has scored the most goals against me with 2. Unfortunately, I haven't scored more than 4 goals in a match yet, and I have 3, ugly 1-0 wins, and a hideous 0-0 tie.
Holy Shit!.....97% possesion...that's crazy
mrushh
03-02-2003, 10:05 PM
Yea for Cowtown!!!! :) After taking over a last place team with 1 point, we won tonight, 4-2, to secure a top 4 finish in series.
Actually we are tied for 3rd with 23 points, but the other team is better if you look at the 'star' count.
Question: How much good does Match of Year do (We play that 3rd place tie team last week of the season)?
The_herd
03-02-2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by mrushh
Yea for Cowtown!!!! :) After taking over a last place team with 1 point, we won tonight, 4-2, to secure a top 4 finish in series.
Actually we are tied for 3rd with 23 points, but the other team is better if you look at the 'star' count.
Question: How much good does Match of Year do (We play that 3rd place tie team last week of the season)?
Congrats.
I was playing with the effects of MoY and PiC on the match simulator and they had about a .5 goals per game difference + or - from playing a match normal.
PilotMan
03-04-2003, 07:13 PM
I just need to add that while looking for teams to challenge for my friendly this week, I have one thing to say.
Ardent is a guestbook whore.
Please make sure to check your guestbook for viruses, and get it tested soon. This may save you valuable time and money later.
DataKing
03-04-2003, 07:20 PM
Has anyone else been having tons of trouble with the Hattrick Conferences?
It seems like nearly every time I try to go there, for weeks now, there are problems.
Or is it just me?
No, I couldn't get into the conferences either when I was trying to schedule a friendly with someone last night.
damnMikeBrown
03-05-2003, 02:04 AM
The conferences are just hellish. Have been for a while now :(
Oh, Hattrick pet peeve. Your coach going defensive. Nothing like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. My git (note, english term there) has used the ploy 5 times. He felt we were so far ahead, and safe, that we should pull everybody back, and 'D' up.
In these occasions we've managed to win a mere 2 of the 5 games. 2 losses, and 1 tie. The moron did it again in my league game this week, causing the tie. We're condemed to relegation now, though with a win, we would have had a great chance at a qualification match. I think I know who Mike Brown is looking for after Marvin Lewis runs out of town screaming bloody murder...
Wait, that's no good. Bengals would have to get a lead first.
dacman
03-05-2003, 08:14 AM
Marc Lavoie (7719970)
45 years, passable form, healthy
A passable coach who prefers a strong defensive game
And you wonder why your coach goes defensive, dMB? :)
Have you might tried setting your wingers and best offensive wing back/defender to offensive? I'm curious as to whether that might help the situation.
I can't recall my coach (passable, goes all out) going defensive ever, but he hasn't had more then a 2-0 lead at this point (new guy).
NevStar
03-05-2003, 10:06 AM
My coach goes all out and he pulls back, too. Fortunately, I haven't lost a game he's pulled back, yet, although there's been a close one or two.
Easy Mac
03-05-2003, 10:37 AM
My coach goes all out every game. Ahh I love those 7 goal games :)
HornedFrog Purple
03-06-2003, 01:40 PM
Shameless plug. I have begun the rebuilding:
Don Yancey (4079786)
21 years, passable form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is temperamental and upright.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 161 000 US$
Wage: 1 400 US$/week
Owner: Cedar Pond Horned Toads
Warnings: 0
Stamina: poor Goaltending: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched
Listed at $90616, Deadline: 3/9/2003 at 20:37
If any of you guys buy him, he is class!
daedalus
03-06-2003, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
I have begun the rebuilding
The 21YO doesn't cut it for rebuilding? :)
HornedFrog Purple
03-07-2003, 11:43 AM
YoungER. :)
But really it is because I pulled that 18 year old passable last week and I have the 20 year old passable anyways. One of these decades I will buy a solid forward, since mine generally play hopscotch and pass out in the 2nd half waiting to get the ball.
daedalus
03-07-2003, 02:40 PM
Hopscotch? He DOES like 'em young! :)
illinifan999
03-09-2003, 08:19 AM
Expansions next season
During the winter the HT-Team have been focusing on fixing problems and performance issues. We've been digging into the database, into the code and tuning the system in small adjustments. Each change have not been having a huge impact but the sum of 2 months of such work means that we are not only fully able to deal with the current load, but also capable of accomodating more users.
So, we feel happy to announce the expansion of a bunch of leagues. Which ones? More about that in a moment.
-"Hey, wait a minute - the site is still slow on Sundays and let's not talk about the conference, it gives me time-outs all the time!".
Yes, you are right. However, these are two separate things and won't really be affected by an expansion. The problem with the slow site has been vastly reduced the last 2 weeks since we made a couple of code improvents. It can still be a bit slow when Sweden plays matches on Sundays and Wednesdays. Around early next season we will have more web server capacity installed. That should eliminate even that problem.
However, we will NOT be expanding Sweden this season. Even though we will soon be having the capacity to deal wih an expansion of Sweden, we do not expand until we really have that capacity installed. It is a lesson we've learnt.
The second problem, the apalling state of the conference is not really a performance problem. Considering the type of problems with the conference database we have, just adding more hardware or limiting the number of users does not help. What we need to do is to make some fundamental design changes to the conference system. We've spent quite some time analyzing and tracking down what the problem is and what needs to be done. We will now begin to make those changes. It will take time - months. But since this is not really a performance issue, it would not make sense to let the expansion of the leagues wait on that work to be completed.
Another factor in determining whether a particlar league can be expanded is GM resources. The number of Game-masters have been growing to now almost 50 GMs! All the major leagues have their own GM and some have more than one. Having enough GMs is crucial before expanding a league and the expansion plans below have been discussed and cleared with the GMs.
So, after some explanation of our reasoning as to what CAN be expanded, a few words about what NEEDS to be expanded:
Some leagues are obvious: Romania and Argentina were close to getting an expansion already last season. They now get it.
België also has a huge waiting list and will of course be expanded.
Then there is the rising star in the Hattrick sky: Nederland. The league has been growing at stunning speed for many months now and we see no sign of it slowing down. Normally we'd be reluctant to expand a league at this level two seasons in a row, but it is clear that Nederland really needs it. So, there will be an expansion of Nederland from 11,000 to 19,000 teams.
Denmark, Norge, USA and Schweiz are also getting an expansion from 2700 to 11,000 teams.
These are the major expansions (each involving 8192 new teams). Apart from those, a bunch of leagues will be expanding from a lower level:
From 680 to 2727 teams
Hrvatska
France
Mexico
Magyarország
From 168 to 680 teams
Slovenija
Chile
Israel
Bulgaria
Rossiya
Türkiye
Wales
The expansion of all these leagues will have to mean some adjustments to match and update times. Details in a separate document about new match times.
This is taken from the hattrick website. Does that mean that there will be a D6?
damnMikeBrown
03-09-2003, 10:44 AM
Yes Virginia, there is going to be a VI now
DataKing
03-09-2003, 01:11 PM
illinifan999: You are correct. This means that the U.S. will have a sixth division.
Wooohoo...something for Hornedfrog to shoot for :)
Easy Mac
03-09-2003, 05:30 PM
Am I the only person here who buys no one over the age of 21?
And when training, should I train skills 6 weeks (or the recommended for that skill) in a row, or alternate skills weekly?
sterlingice
03-09-2003, 07:04 PM
Am I the only person here who buys no one over the age of 21?
I'll occasionally snag a 22 or 23yo but, in general, yeah, I only buy 21yo and less.
SI
I try to only get 19 and under. 20 if I must.
Eilim
03-09-2003, 07:10 PM
I used to be that way, but I modified it a bit. I won't get anyone over 20 in a position I'm training, or position affected by training. But, if theres a position that won't be affected.. I don't worry so much about the age as long as their not a year or two away from decline. The training time plays no part on them and you can get some great deals on mutli-passable skillset players in the 24-27 range.
Someone had mentioned it on the board, and it just made too much sense for me not to try.
Vince
03-09-2003, 07:12 PM
Damn it...my inadequate keeper just took a knee injury, and my weak replacement immediately allows two goals. To go from a reachable 1-0 defecit to 3-0 in less than three minutes sucks ass.
McSweeny
03-09-2003, 07:16 PM
down 2-0 on the road
Easy Mac
03-09-2003, 07:41 PM
I was down 3-0 after 36 minutes, but I have 4-4 now in the 86th minute. I was actually able to grab the lead for a minute, and I have a 2nd straight game with a player with a hattrick.
edit: I kissed my sister at 4-4. Oh well, during the game I signed 2 young swedes for $5,000 total, and one I'm training at D, so all's well.
And my stadium sold out this game, does anyone know how much larger the stadium should be in relation to your supporters. I have like 550 supporters and sold out my 7000 seat stadium?
illinifan999
03-09-2003, 07:48 PM
Hallejuha!! I handed a team a huge 9-0 can of whoop-ass. 9 to freakin zip. Poor guy never had a chance. That is a confidence booster. :D
illinifan999
03-09-2003, 07:52 PM
Oh and I pulled my highest revenue next to the sale of Tom Sanders. I make at least 100,000 this week. That will leave me with 76,000 in the bank. :D
McSweeny
03-09-2003, 07:54 PM
i made over 100,000 this week and i'm still 92,000 in debt
illinifan999
03-09-2003, 08:00 PM
So nice to be out of debt. ;) Too bad, I need a miracle to finish third in my division. But this is a promising sign of things to come. :D
Coffee Warlord
03-09-2003, 08:00 PM
HELL YES.
MOTS'd twice in a row. TS went down to murderous, so I fire my coach. Take a look what I get in 2 tries.
Ian Hogan (8754342)
50 years, disastrous form, healthy
A solid coach who prefers a strong defensive game
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has brilliant experience and solid leadership abilities.
Muah.
FrogMan
03-09-2003, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Easy Mac
And my stadium sold out this game, does anyone know how much larger the stadium should be in relation to your supporters. I have like 550 supporters and sold out my 7000 seat stadium?
Go to this site:
http://www.databased.at/hattrick/index.asp
Then go to tools then arenasizer
numbers they use are 30 times your supporters if you're winning a lot, 20 times if you're average and 15 times if you're a loser :)
Ratios of the different types of seating are respectively 63%, 25%, 10% and 2% for terraces, basic, inder roof, and VIP.
Later, FrogMan.
illinifan999
03-09-2003, 08:08 PM
My team rules with a poor coach who goes all out.
Mwahahaha!!!!
TredWel
03-09-2003, 08:13 PM
Well, my loss puts me out of contention for promotion. Even if I won, Qwikshot's team nailed my coffin shut with their win.
On the plus side, my youth squad just hit solid, and this week's selection is the best I've ever had (and I think is Al Pacino in disguise):
Guo Huu-Hanh
19 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is fiery and infamous.
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities.
Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 68 000 US$
Wage: 860 US$/week
Owner: Scranton Slime
Warnings: 0
Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched
Our team suddenly has a new starting winger. :D
illinifan999
03-09-2003, 08:21 PM
I miss Tom Sanders :( That $600,000 did come in useful though.
mrushh
03-09-2003, 09:12 PM
Cowtown defeated the T-1st place team, 2-0, to reach 9 games undefeated with 2 wins in a row.
We are now in 3rd place, 2 points ahead of 4th place, who we play in the final game next sunday. A win or tie gives us 3rd.
daedalus
03-10-2003, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by TredWel
On the plus side, my youth squad just hit solid
Woohoo! Congrats! :)
A pleasant guy who is fiery and infamous.
Always dig those fiery, yet pleasant peoples.
Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched
That is nice indeed! :)
Vince
03-10-2003, 02:04 AM
Ok, I'm trying to figure out how terrible my team is in relation to other Division V FOFC Hattrickers...
I just got my team about a week and a half ago, and have played three games. In game 1, I didn't realize I had my team yet, so I hadn't set the lineup (we lost 8-0 to the 3rd place team). In our friendly, we lost 5-1, and my output was quite bad...and finally, in our recent league game we lost 5-1 as well to the #2 team in the series, but my keeper went down early in the second half, as did my starting left wing back, and 3 of the goals were allowed on the backups. Here are my ratings and star output for the two games I actually had an influence on...how do you guys normally fare?
Game 1: Loss 5-1 to Team Groomers (#8 in Division V.150)
13 Total stars (Best was both wingers @ 2, worst was a few at .5)
Midfield: Wretched
Right Side Defense: Weak
Central Defense: Weak
Left Side Defense: Poor
Right Side Attack: Poor
Central Attack: Wretched
Left Side Attack: Poor
Game 2: Loss 5-1 to Epoxy United
19 Total Stars (Best was C. Defender @ 2.5, worst was Left Wing Back replacement with .5, even though he scored my only goal)
Midfield: Wretched
Right Side Defense: Weak
Central Defense: Weak (not so sure about this...my central defender has solid defense, and got the best rating of all my players for the match)
Left Side Defense: Poor
Right Side Attack: Inadequate
Central Attack: Inadequate
Left Side Attack: Passable
Now, game two was the first one when I had my now standard lineup in, and what I feel is a more true measure of my squad's capabilities. Just for comparison, what kind of games do you guys usually put up? How many stars, and what kind of ratings do you shoot for? Inadequate, Passable, Solid?
daedalus
03-10-2003, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by Easy Mac
And when training, should I train skills 6 weeks (or the recommended for that skill) in a row, or alternate skills weekly?
Just an opinion here, but I'd imagine it depends on what you're looking for. If you're trying to create a particular team strength by solidifying a particular aspect of your team before moving on to another area (see: DK's defense and ardent's scoring), then a longer period at a particular area might be what you're looking for.
sterlingice
03-10-2003, 02:08 AM
Now, game two was the first one when I had my now standard lineup in, and what I feel is a more true measure of my squad's capabilities. Just for comparison, what kind of games do you guys usually put up? How many stars, and what kind of ratings do you shoot for? Inadequate, Passable, Solid?
I think 25 stars will get you a promotion quite easily. My 23 would get me 2nd place in our division if I had controlled the team the entire year. As for rating, weak/inad midfield is what you really need to shoot for. Aside from that, try to get a couple of solids or highers and make sure everything else is inad or higher. That should get your a promotion in a typical division V. Of course there are some that are much harder and much easier.
SI
Vince
03-10-2003, 02:13 AM
Thanks SI...I was fairly certain that I needed at least a few more stars to really compete. It seems that my division is fairly average, as I can almost hang with the #2 squad now, and I'm quite unhappy with my performance. By the end of next season I'm fairly certain that I'll have one of the stronger teams in the division (listen to me talk...winning that IM basketball game tonight has made me cocky as hell :))
DataKing
03-10-2003, 09:56 AM
Just a word of caution to all those who care to listen...
Don't pay too much attention to star ratings for your entire team. For rating one player against another, stars are an excellent (or perhaps even formidable? ;) )way to judge performances. But for rating your team against others, it can be misleading.
For example, the team that I defeated this weekend in my league match actually had my team beat by 2 stars, 31-29, yet I defeated them 3-1. In any given week, I think I have never had the highest "star" turnout in my series, yet I am in first place. I know there are a number of other examples of this, where the team with the best "star power" is not going to win their series.
I have devised another (albeit rough) system for judging team strength, that seems to me to be a better way to measure team strength. Simply add up the numerical equivalent of your team ratings from your last match, with midfield counting double.
For example, my last match:
-Midfield: Inadequate (5)
-Right Defense: Brilliant (11)
-Central Defense: Brilliant (11)
-Left Defense: Brilliant (11)
-Right Attack: Passable (6)
-Central Attack: Passable (6)
-Left Attack: Inadequate (5)
10 (midfield*2) + 11 + 11 + 11 + 6 + 6 + 5 = 60
My opponent, despite having me beat by 2 stars, totalled only 53. I won the match, 3-1.
I've been toying with this formula for a little while now, and while it is far from perfect, it seems to be a better measure of team strength than total stars. There is a saying on the Hattrick Conferences that "Stars are EVIL," and I wouldn't want to see you guys fall into the trap of putting too much emphasis on them.
Happy Hattricking!
Katon
03-10-2003, 11:55 AM
At what point to I begin to have a chance of actually getting reasonable players from my youth squad? It's at poor now, so I assume that I won't get anyone who can actually play from it, but when should I start pulling?
HornedFrog Purple
03-10-2003, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Katon
At what point to I begin to have a chance of actually getting reasonable players from my youth squad? It's at poor now, so I assume that I won't get anyone who can actually play from it, but when should I start pulling?
I would start at inadequate. If anything you can start pulling keepers and get a couple of inadequates if you are lucky and sell for 10-20k. It also helps in making it a routine so you dont forget later when your youth squad rating is better.
Wooohoo...something for Hornedfrog to shoot for
I saw that. Dont tempt me.
dacman
03-10-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
I would start at inadequate...
Bah! I pulled an inad defender with a weak youth squad. Anything's possible.
sterlingice
03-10-2003, 04:36 PM
I have devised another (albeit rough) system for judging team strength, that seems to me to be a better way to measure team strength. Simply add up the numerical equivalent of your team ratings from your last match, with midfield counting double.
Hmm... new fun method to possibly include in my dynasty report: Maybe I should call it the DKI (Data King Index).
SI
Havok
03-10-2003, 05:19 PM
Well.... i blame you all for what i just did!!
I just signed up for a team at Hattrick.
The Maniacal Misfitz are now awaiting authorization!!
Expect me to be asking alot of questions on these boards. Cause after reading the rules section im already confussed. Even though i played Soccer most of my life i've never got into watching it on T.V. (except Worldcup) So i have no idea how European Leagues are run.
illinifan999
03-10-2003, 06:16 PM
Marshall Foote (4025852)
24 years, weak form, healthy
A controversial person who is balanced and upright.
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities.
Speciality: Unpredictable
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: solid Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Since I would like to upgrade my stadium I am thinking of listing two players who are on the better side.
Makoto Kunomasu (8328373)
19 years, passable form, healthy
A nasty fellow who is calm and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Nationality: Oceania
Assessed value: 172 000 US$
Wage: 1 704 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Spring Grove Fighting Eagles
Warnings: 0
Stamina: wretched Goaltending: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: disastrous
Should I list these guys this late in the season, or jsut wait till next season starts? How much should I put them up for, too? Thanks in advance.
Coffee Warlord
03-10-2003, 07:08 PM
There was a discussion on the USA conf boards about this.
List them either right before the new season starts, or early, early on. You get all the people who want fresh trainees, and all the people who wanna shore up their weak spots.
illinifan999
03-10-2003, 08:26 PM
Thanks Coffee! Anyone know if you get some kind of prize money for finishing at a ceratin position, or for winning the division?
FrogMan
03-10-2003, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by illinifan999
Thanks Coffee! Anyone know if you get some kind of prize money for finishing at a ceratin position, or for winning the division?
You can go to that site:
http://www.databased.at/hattrick/index.asp
Under tools, then bonuscalc, you should be able to figure out if you'll earn any pesos... 1 euro = 1 US$...
Later, FrogMan.
FrogMan
03-10-2003, 08:51 PM
dola
Is it just me or are you having trouble logging in to Hattrick right now?? Right after I paid my supporter subscription, they tell me to log off and then log back on and I keep getting some timeout error... :(
McSweeny
03-10-2003, 08:54 PM
yeah i'm getting an error too... it usually works if you just wait a few minutes and try again later
FrogMan
03-10-2003, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by McSweeny
yeah i'm getting an error too... it usually works if you just wait a few minutes and try again later
Yeah that's what I keep telling myself, but I'm an addict now, a paying addict and I WANT MY DOSE, NOW!!! :D
Later, FrogMan
illinifan999
03-10-2003, 09:05 PM
Thanks Frogman! As to why teh site is down, aren't they adding new software or something, it said that it will be down for quite awhile on Tuesday. Don't know if it is Tuesday yet in Sweden though.
McSweeny
03-10-2003, 09:06 PM
oh yeah i forgot about that
Coffee Warlord
03-10-2003, 10:03 PM
Hey, now that you have supporter, you can support the Avengers! :)
We'll provide you with not only VIP passes, but also whatever our current promotional item is, emblazoned with our logo, and free of charge!
Due to more budget cuts, our Board With a Rusty Nail Through It has been discontinued for the more budget friendly but equally effective Large Rock.
FrogMan
03-10-2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by illinifan999
Thanks Frogman! As to why teh site is down, aren't they adding new software or something, it said that it will be down for quite awhile on Tuesday. Don't know if it is Tuesday yet in Sweden though.
It's working now. I had to get offline to go watch Miracles anyway. The upgrade is supposed to be around 9:30, which should around 3:30 eastern for us... Time difference is 6 hours between Sweden time and eastern time (where I am)
Later, FrogMan.
Miracles rawked once again...what an awesome show:)
FrogMan
03-10-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by bbor
Miracles rawked once again...what an awesome show:)
Agreed, it's given me goosebumps more than once since it's started. Really good show. I wonder, do you know if it's doing good ratings wise? I'd hate to see it being cancelled after only half a season...
FrogMan.
I dunno how it is doing...but it seems to be a "niche" show...i doubt it would do too well in the ratings....especially going against CSI Miami
BishopMVP
03-10-2003, 11:01 PM
I think this was the first of 5 straight new episodes, so hopefully it will start to catch on.
FrogMan
03-10-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by BishopMVP
I think this was the first of 5 straight new episodes, so hopefully it will start to catch on.
Not to nitpick, but this was the second of 6 straight new episodes ;) Last week's little girl lost episode was really great!
FrogMan
daedalus
03-10-2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
There was a discussion on the USA conf boards about this.
List them either right before the new season starts, or early, early on. You get all the people who want fresh trainees, and all the people who wanna shore up their weak spots.
Ugh. Thanks for the info. I was thinking about whether or not to list my players. Guess I'll wait now.
Doug5984
03-11-2003, 10:09 PM
damn you nevstar- i put a bid in on a player i really wanted, but then i had to go out to eat for dinner...i come back to see someone stole him from...i look and the team name looks really familiar and i see it is you! :)
Bogdan Kozuchowski - Well I hope he atleast does really good for another FOFCer.
Radii
03-11-2003, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
There was a discussion on the USA conf boards about this.
List them either right before the new season starts, or early, early on. You get all the people who want fresh trainees, and all the people who wanna shore up their weak spots.
Corollary question to this... is there signifigant risk to buying players now at the end of the season? I just bought my passable keeper, and my next step is to try to cheaply fill out my midfield and defensive lines with some inadequate players, do i need to wait until the start of the next season to do this?
FrogMan
03-11-2003, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Radii
Corollary question to this... is there signifigant risk to buying players now at the end of the season? I just bought my passable keeper, and my next step is to try to cheaply fill out my midfield and defensive lines with some inadequate players, do i need to wait until the start of the next season to do this?
What I understand is that all of your players will be aging one full year at the end of the season, kind of overnight. This means if you are buying youngsters to train them, I wouldn't buy much older than 19 (considering this will be 20 yo in a few weeks)...
Later, FrogMan.
Radii
03-11-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by FrogMan
What I understand is that all of your players will be aging one full year at the end of the season, kind of overnight. This means if you are buying youngsters to train them, I wouldn't buy much older than 19 (considering this will be 20 yo in a few weeks)...
Later, FrogMan.
Thanks!
Masked
03-12-2003, 02:09 PM
Just starting out...
I just learned about clowns and how much they can worth even if they have no skills. Well here is my guy.
Matt Keyesj (8726656)
25 years, weak form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is tranquil and honest.
Has poor experience and solid leadership abilities.
Speciality: Head
Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 71 000 US$
Wage: 1 000 US$/week
Owner: Complex Spikes
Warnings: 0
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: solid
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: disastrous
Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0
Realistically what is he worth? I think he might be pretty valuable considering he is solid at defending and passable at scoring. Should I keep him or should I sell him?
DataKing
03-12-2003, 02:30 PM
I would think you'd want to keep Matt on your club. Not only is he a decent team leader, but he can also probably start for you at forward or (more likely) defender.
Personally, I really like one of my defenders to be a head specialist. Not only will they score the occasional header-goal off of a corner kick, but they will also make it more difficult for opposing teams to score on headers against you.
dacman
03-12-2003, 02:47 PM
What DK said.
Masked
03-12-2003, 02:49 PM
thanks
SplitPersonality1
03-12-2003, 02:51 PM
Anybody looking for a friendly? I forgot to set one up this week.
Team# 71368
PilotMan
03-12-2003, 02:56 PM
I have two huge matches this week. First, I play ardent in the FOFC Cup, a chance to move on to the final four. Starters will most likely see action. Next, after a run of 12 consecutive wins I am poised for automatic promtion. The only problem, I am still in second place and the other team is has a killer offense. We play in my house for the title and the automatic promotion.
1. New England Black S 13 76 - 11 36
2. Midwest Ice Storm F 13 46 - 11 36
3. *Charlotte Hornets* 13 36 - 30 21
4. Parrott Rebels 13 28 - 29 16
5. 6993 13 17 - 32 16
6. Mikes Raiders 13 35 - 31 15
7. Spiffyguys 13 10 - 49 8
8. TommyHawks 13 10 - 65 6
You can definatly say MOTS!!! Great year just going to be a dissapointment when I lose.
DataKing
03-12-2003, 03:01 PM
PilotMan: Yeah, I'd say you're in trouble in that league match. The New England Black Sox would probably be in 4th place or so if they were in my Div. IV series.
But then again, home pitch advantage can play a pretty big role sometimes, so you never know. Even if you did lose, you'd definitely be the favorite to take the series title next season.
And $45,000 in prize money for 2nd place certainly can't hurt. :)
PilotMan
03-12-2003, 03:29 PM
I certainly can be proud of my team though. Look at where I stand all time with teams from my division:
1. Five Lions ---------------------28 135 - 15 72
2. New England Black S -------26117 - 40 58
3. Amburadul --------------------22 115 - 19 57
4. Midwest Ice Storm F --------9 34 - 2 27
5. Canal Rats --------------------8 26 - 3 24
6. Parrott Rebels ---------------11 17 - 27 10
7. 6993 --------------------------6 11 - 15 9
8. *Charlotte Hornets* -------9 8 - 27 9
9. TommyHawks ---------------14 10 - 70 6
10. Mikes Raiders --------------2 4 - 1 3
11. Spiffyguys ------------------5 4 - 23 0
Only games played under the team's current owners counts.
DataKing
03-12-2003, 03:40 PM
You can't do much better than 3 points per match. :)
Feel the power of the FOFC! :cool:
fflix
03-12-2003, 03:40 PM
hey split, i challenged you just in case if you are still looking for a friendly.
how do you guys usually find opponents for friendlies? i just received my team recently and randomly challenged some people.
illinifan999
03-12-2003, 04:14 PM
Go to a foreign transfer, list and send a challenge to nearly every team I see, for an international friendly at my place. Otherwise I get contacted.
PilotMan
03-12-2003, 04:34 PM
Question...
Are penalty shots scoring or set pieces?..
or something else?
DataKing
03-12-2003, 04:48 PM
Set Pieces. Player experience, form, and scoring I believe all play a small role as well, but set pieces is the dominant statistic for penalty shots.
PilotMan
03-12-2003, 04:52 PM
Thanks DK
HornedFrog Purple
03-13-2003, 11:26 AM
This 25 team limit for challenges sucks! How can I powerchallenge a country with these restrictions!
DataKing
03-13-2003, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
This 25 team limit for challenges sucks! How can I powerchallenge a country with these restrictions!
Make sure the teams you challenge are active (regularly play friendly matches) so you aren't wasting any of those 25.
I'm pretty sure they started that rule because of you :)
HornedFrog Purple
03-13-2003, 11:55 AM
Well after careful negotiations of which I had no idea what the poor fellow was saying, I can cross Chile off the list.
18 countries down, 38 to go! :cool:
I will be the first hattricker to play every country in the game. I am not sure what that means though.
The Afoci
03-13-2003, 03:15 PM
Hey, is there anyway to change your team name?
DataKing
03-13-2003, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by The Afoci
Hey, is there anyway to change your team name?
If I remember correctly, you can change the name of your team during the off-season. However, I believe you will lose a small percentage of your supporters if you do so (10%??) and there is a small cost associated with it as well ($6,000??).
I've never done it, so I am not certain about the numbers.
FrogMan
03-13-2003, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by The Afoci
Hey, is there anyway to change your team name?
If I remember right, you can but only during the offseason. And there a fee for that... I also remember reading that you could lose some supporters as some of you hardcore fans might be unsettled by a team name change. Check in the rules, it's in there somwhere...
Later, FrogMan.
FrogMan
03-13-2003, 03:22 PM
shoot! DK you beat me by a minute... oh well...
Same "if I remember right/correctly" too. Eerie...
FrogMan.
DataKing
03-13-2003, 03:33 PM
We want a nice disclaimer to point to in case we're wrong, that's all. :cool:
The Afoci
03-13-2003, 03:40 PM
thanks guys...10 percent of supports wont be much...
samifan24
03-13-2003, 03:46 PM
Ok well I have to ask. What's the deal with international friendlies? It appears as though if I travel out of the US, I receive a portion of the funds from the match even though I'm the visiting team? Am I reading that correctly? If that's true, then that's the "positive" of intl. friendlies, while the negative is that they're only worth 1/5 of a regular match as far as experience goes. Is that correct?
DataKing
03-13-2003, 03:52 PM
You receive 1/2 of the gate receipts in a friendly match, whether it is domestic or international. International friendlies do tend to draw larger crowds, though.
The real down-side is that the visiting team has to pay $6,000 in travel expenses.
Domestic friendlies are worth 1/10th the experience of a league match. International friendlies, on the other hand, are worth 1/5th, which means they give your players twice as much experience as domestic friendlies.
I hope this helps clear things up.
McSweeny
03-13-2003, 03:55 PM
regular friendlies also give the visiting team money from spectators. You only get 1/10 of the experience in regular friendlies compared to the 1/5 for international ones. International friendlies cost money for flight and booking costs(7,000?)
McSweeny
03-13-2003, 03:56 PM
doh took too long
dacman
03-13-2003, 04:11 PM
I just read that team name changed thing yesterday -- its not in the hattrick rules, it was on one of those hattrick helper sites. I seem to recall you lose 3% of your supporters, but I can't remember the cost.
sterlingice
03-13-2003, 04:26 PM
I will be the first hattricker to play every country in the game. I am not sure what that means though.
You spent a lot of money playing internationally? So, how much do you pull in for friendlies internationally? I know you get more but does it help defer some of the cost? If so, I wouldn't mind paying $2K a week for a little extra training
As for the name change thing, here's some somewhat definitive info:
from hattricks:
"change name of club: -3%"
from the rules, page 3:
"Between seasons, you will get the option of changing your Clubs name. This will set you back $20000, and will trigger the Fanclub to shrink by a few percent, as your most conservative supporters abondon the Club in disgust... "
SI
Vince
03-13-2003, 04:31 PM
Well, I scheduled a home-and-home with some guy out of Denmark. Both of our teams suck, and cloudy weather didn't help...but I only got $1,000 in revenue, so I guess I should expect to lose at least $5,000 next week :(
By the way...what has more of an effect on your crowd showing up? His team is better than mine, yet he's #8 in his DV, and I'm #5 in my DV. I know the countries have different levels of talent in their divisions, but do the fans follow the standings, or the recent play of the team?
FrogMan
03-13-2003, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by sterlingice
You spent a lot of money playing internationally? So, how much do you pull in for friendlies internationally? I know you get more but does it help defer some of the cost? If so, I wouldn't mind paying $2K a week for a little extra training
HornedFrog isn't saying is will be the first team to play in every country, just to play one team from every country. If I understood his strategy the right way, he challenges a lot of outsiders to international friendlies played at his place :D
And you know what, some people will just fall for it...
I've got a friendly set up for next week, but after that, I'd be wiling to schedule some home-and-home with some of my fellow FOFCer. Remember, I'm from Canada :cool: Even though crossnig the border is about a 2 hour drive, I'd still be charged 12,000$ on my away game (that's in blue and red and green money ;) )
Later, FrogMan.
FrogMan
03-13-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Vince
By the way...what has more of an effect on your crowd showing up? His team is better than mine, yet he's #8 in his DV, and I'm #5 in my DV. I know the countries have different levels of talent in their divisions, but do the fans follow the standings, or the recent play of the team?
I would believe that fans follow yuor hot streaks, probably reflected by their mood. When you use the arenasizer tool at Hattricks, they give you three figures based on your number of supporters and if you are winning a lot, not at all, and on average.
FrogMan.
illinifan999
03-13-2003, 05:16 PM
Except for two weeks ago when I played West Henrietta, I have pretty much for three weeks only play international teams at home. A lot of teams jsut don't care.
HornedFrog Purple
03-13-2003, 05:22 PM
Well actually for about 2 1/2 seasons I never played at home, I traveled exclusively. I joke all the time about how I actually get a home game once in a while.
Last week I played a German team at home but I forgot I had already played a German team in Germany last season so I just didnt play him again.
I am just trying to get some money back. :)
This fellow from Chile rejected my first challenge then sent me a new one wanting cup rules still at my place. Hey whatever floats your boat. :D
sterlingice
03-13-2003, 05:59 PM
I've got a friendly set up for next week, but after that, I'd be wiling to schedule some home-and-home with some of my fellow FOFCer. Remember, I'm from Canada Even though crossnig the border is about a 2 hour drive, I'd still be charged 12,000$ on my away game (that's in blue and red and green money )
What I really meant was, if I can snag an extra $3-4K a week in attendance, I wouldn't mind going internationally and only paying a net of about $2K ($6-$4) to get some spare training and some international flavor.
SI
FrogMan
03-13-2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
This fellow from Chile rejected my first challenge then sent me a new one wanting cup rules still at my place. Hey whatever floats your boat. :D
Well, HornedFrog, that one got me laughing quite hard :D :D :D
Takes a bit of everything to make this crazy world we live in, huh?
FrogMan.
FrogMan
03-13-2003, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by sterlingice
What I really meant was, if I can snag an extra $3-4K a week in attendance, I wouldn't mind going internationally and only paying a net of about $2K ($6-$4) to get some spare training and some international flavor.
I understood what you meant. My reasoning was that by scheduling series home-and-home, then you get the same result, i.e. playing international games with more experience, but you pay the fee only once every two weeks. That way you can almost be breakeven overall (one week you lose some, the next you make some). Seeing how most of us are trying to save money, this could be a good idea...
FrogMan.
illinifan999
03-13-2003, 06:46 PM
Or you can do what I do, send out 25 challenges to international teams to play at your place. I almost gurantee you will get a friendly. I've never traveled out of the US, but play international friendlies anytime I don't play FOFC guys.
McSweeny
03-14-2003, 01:15 PM
if anyone is looking for an inad keeper i've got one going right now and he's only up to 1000 bucks
Laurín Cairós Barreto (8584736)
25 years, poor form, healthy
A controversial person who is calm and honest.
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities.
Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 76 000 US$
Wage: 1 080 US$/week
Owner: S. Boston Hooligans
Warnings: 0
Stamina: weak Goaltending: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: poor
Doug5984
03-19-2003, 08:03 PM
Ok I have another Hattrick question- I am hoping some of you vets. can help me out with this....
One of my Central Defenders got 2 yellow cards in my friendly tonight and was ejected....he got kicked out in like the 88th minute, and when I looked at my teams stars he was not listed, and when I look for 'latest match' it shows his latest match as my friendly last week....so does this match count at all for him experience wise? and most importantly- Since he is not showing up as having played in the match will he get training this week(I am training Defense)?
The_herd
03-19-2003, 10:01 PM
Any estimates on this guys market value?
Kevin Hinton
214 000 US$, 24 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities
Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: poor
Winger: disastrous Defending: inadequate
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: solid
Start him at 150 000...he should get over 200 000 in the end..IMHO.
Doug5984
03-19-2003, 10:37 PM
Does anyone want to play The Louisiana Cyclones in a friendly next week?
NevStar
03-19-2003, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Doug5984
Ok I have another Hattrick question- I am hoping some of you vets. can help me out with this....
One of my Central Defenders got 2 yellow cards in my friendly tonight and was ejected....he got kicked out in like the 88th minute, and when I looked at my teams stars he was not listed, and when I look for 'latest match' it shows his latest match as my friendly last week....so does this match count at all for him experience wise? and most importantly- Since he is not showing up as having played in the match will he get training this week(I am training Defense)?
Yes, he'll get experience & training.
Masked
03-20-2003, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Doug5984
Does anyone want to play The Louisiana Cyclones in a friendly next week?
Sure
Battle of New Orleans, part II
Doug5984
03-20-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Masked
Sure
Battle of New Orleans, part II
Ok- we have the friendly set up, since it is an off-season friendly I have a mix of starters and backups (mostly my really young guys) to get them some more experience...
Another thing- Tonight my first player 'popped' in training, I had a D-Winger go to passable in Defending....He is one of my favorite players on my team and I was happy to see him get to passable, now both of my D-wingers are at passable...I just thought I would share that with everyone.
Vince
03-20-2003, 09:25 PM
Hey guys, my Isla Vista Vandals are also in need of a friendly...I'll warn you we suck, and it'd probably be better to go to someone else's arena, as I only draw about 400 people for friendlies.
But I'd love to play one of y'all :)
Masked
03-20-2003, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Doug5984
Ok- we have the friendly set up, since it is an off-season friendly I have a mix of starters and backups (mostly my really young guys) to get them some more experience...
I'll be playing a mix of young and old as well. My players are in desparate need of experience, and I have very little youth worth developing.
Now fishing for some advice. I am considering upgrading my arena. I currently have the initial one which seats 7K. Once the new season gets a bit closer, is it wise to go 100-150K in debt to expand?
Doug5984
03-20-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Masked
Now fishing for some advice. I am considering upgrading my arena. I currently have the initial one which seats 7K. Once the new season gets a bit closer, is it wise to go 100-150K in debt to expand?
When I asked about upgrading my stadium this is the answer I got:
Originally posted by DataKing
7. I think you can hold off on upgrading your stadium for a little while. Once you get into the 600-700 supporter range, then consider improving it. A couple of notes regarding stadiums.
a. There is a $30,000 base cost for stadium expansion, even if you only add one seat, so it is more efficient to do stadium expansions in large "chunks" (at least 5,000 seats at a time, IMO).
b. Do not go beyond 20x the number of supporters you have.
c. The "magic ratio" for stadium seat types is as follows: 62.5% terrace, 25% basic, 10% under roof, 2.5% VIP. This is the most efficient as far as generating revenue.
DataKing
03-21-2003, 11:30 AM
I'm expecting royalties. ;)
The Afoci
03-21-2003, 11:40 AM
I am so excited right now, i got my first bump. I know have a great utility guy for me, inad at playmaking, passing, defending and winger. :) :) :) :)
illinifan999
03-21-2003, 01:28 PM
I'm getting really lucky. I keep buying these inad playmakers for cheap, only to have them bump up to passable in a week. Now I jsut need a guy to bump up to solid.
HornedFrog Purple
03-21-2003, 11:08 PM
Cross Brazil off the list. :)
PilotMan
03-24-2003, 08:51 AM
I was just looking at the new V.40. And it seems to me that as long as I continue to improve that I should be able to go undefeated this year. The new team that was relegated is new and got smoked 6-1 in their relegation match. There are two other new teams, and the old ones in the division I beat all last year.
Heres to a successful promotion campaign. (clink)
FrogMan
03-24-2003, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by PilotMan
I was just looking at the new V.40. And it seems to me that as long as I continue to improve that I should be able to go undefeated this year. The new team that was relegated is new and got smoked 6-1 in their relegation match. There are two other new teams, and the old ones in the division I beat all last year.
Heres to a successful promotion campaign. (clink)
And a cheer back from Canada. I inherited an 8th place team in div IV only 4 weeks before the end of the season and I just got relegated to div V.211 in Canada and that division is an "all-bot" division. Will suck not to have anybody to talk to, but I'm absolutely pushing to get back in div IV in 16 weeks :)
FrogMan
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