View Full Version : Alright Boyz, Here We Go!!!! (OOTP 2007 release thoughts!!!)
Galaril
03-27-2007, 08:57 PM
As far as I can tell, you have to:
1. go game settings>league setup>edit ballparks
2. lick the second tab (pictures & coordinates)
3. either type or cut & paste the exact file name for each ballpark, both day and night versions, if available.
4. repeat over and over until you go through all the teams.
Then you have the mess of lining up the player coordinates.
Then, if you want ballparks to affect the game other than just being an extra graphic, you have to go back to the "park profile" tab and manually input for each team the ballpark type, surface, capacity, ballpark factors, outfield wall distances, and wall heights.
Then shave the long white beard you grew while doing all of this busywork.
I asked earlier in the thread how people manage this mess, but nobody replied. Maybe there's an easier way. It'd be nice to know.
This si a major problem since the ballpark dimensions have a fairly big effect on players e.g. fenway is hitters haven etc. They should have built some kind of wizard to input this stuff into the league easier or don't have ballpark factors at all.
Swaggs
03-27-2007, 09:03 PM
I am really liking this game right now.
It has the type of "universe"-feel to it that I have always wanted in a text-sim. I am looking forward to playing with a premade set of 2007 rosters, as I like to have a take-off point when I play OOTP, where I recognize recent history and its players.
Right now, I created a 16-team (later expanded to 20) league in 1983 in various US East Coast towns and simmed through 25 years. My universe also has a Japanese League, a Cuban League, a Puerto Rican league, and three levels of minor leagues AND I just created a very rudimentary, low-skilled Austrailian league with 8-teams. I really like being able to customize the league on the fly. I am thinking of creating a rival Pacific Coast-type league with an on merging it with my other league.
Also, very cool that former players become coaches/staff and that I can groom coaches with my farm team. I love that I feel like I have total control over my franchise.
Qrusher14242
03-27-2007, 09:04 PM
As far as I can tell, you have to:
1. go game settings>league setup>edit ballparks
2. lick the second tab (pictures & coordinates)
3. either type or cut & paste the exact file name for each ballpark, both day and night versions, if available.
4. repeat over and over until you go through all the teams.
Then you have the mess of lining up the player coordinates.
Then, if you want ballparks to affect the game other than just being an extra graphic, you have to go back to the "park profile" tab and manually input for each team the ballpark type, surface, capacity, ballpark factors, outfield wall distances, and wall heights.
Then shave the long white beard you grew while doing all of this busywork.
I asked earlier in the thread how people manage this mess, but nobody replied. Maybe there's an easier way. It'd be nice to know.
Yeah thats as easy as it gets unfortunately :( Was very dissapointed this wasnt looked at all. In the earlier versions, you could edit it for one league and then move those stadiums over to another league. You could also import/export ballpark's. Also, it was much easier to select the ballparks in 6.5/5 etc. Now you have a dropdown list, but if you have 100 parks, you have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to get to it.
What would make the process much easier was if they were treated like logos. You could name them after either the team or ballpark name and ootp would find it and put it in. Or at least a browse option. Hard to type all those in.
JPhillips
03-27-2007, 09:34 PM
Is there any way to get compensatory picks? I know the rules have changed, but losing this is a big disappointment. It was the one thing OOTP2006 got right.
Drake
03-27-2007, 09:45 PM
If it means anything, Ryche, I played 2k6 for about six weeks in an attempt to understand it (because the FOBL was thinking about converting), then never picked it up again. So far, 2k7 is just blowing my socks off. I'm not a historical simmer, but when backdropping 20, 50 or 100 years of "real" baseball history is this easy, I can't help *not* doing it.
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 09:50 PM
what level is trade set to?
For this sim I'm just using the average and neutral settings.
Eaglesfan27
03-27-2007, 09:56 PM
I'm playing in a cheat mode of sorts since I have recalc on and picking up the Phillies in 1980, I have some idea who is going to become a star. But, I'm still having a blast and finding it challenging to manage my budget.
KWhit
03-27-2007, 10:06 PM
Is there any way to get compensatory picks? I know the rules have changed, but losing this is a big disappointment. It was the one thing OOTP2006 got right.
Yes, there is an option for this.
JPhillips
03-27-2007, 10:10 PM
I can't find it. Can you tell me how to turn it on? I'm trying to GM the Reds and I need comp picks to keep up with the big revenue guys.
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:12 PM
KS - How are our beloved Tigs doing?
I hope Kaline retired at Tig.
In this sim, they made the playoffs just 10 times from 1901 through 2006 and won 4 WS titles - 1902, 1940, 1985, and 2002.
Kaline had a Hof career, but I'm sad to report that the Tigers traded him in 1969 to the expansion Seattle Pilots prior to the season for a crappy MR who wasa crappy closer for a couple of years for the Tigers. He had 3000 hits at the end of 1973, but came back for another year anyway and ended with 3039 hits and 378 HRs.
Ed Siever, a deadball era pitcher who had just 83 wins IRL, is the team leader in wins with 283. Schoolbooy Rowe had 232, Bunning 189, and John Tudor had 118. Jack Morris was not very good.
Predictably, Ty Cobb is the team leader in a number of categories, including 4146 hits and a .342 average. Howard Johnson spent his entire career with the Tigers, retiring in 1997 with 352 HRs and 2027 hits. He's the team leader in HRs, too.
I wish I could cut-and-paste like vtbub, but this sim is on my laptop and I don't have internet access.
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:13 PM
I can't find it. Can you tell me how to turn it on? I'm trying to GM the Reds and I need comp picks to keep up with the big revenue guys.
League Setup/Rules. There's a check box for "Draft pick compensation for lost FA's" under the financial rules.
DaddyTorgo
03-27-2007, 10:14 PM
dammit. Well that absolutely sucks about the ballparks. that's dissapointing.
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:18 PM
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class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>2,464,268</TD><TD class=srg>$14,310,226</TD><TD class=srg>$5,272,846</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1982 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1982.html)</TD><TD class=sc>75</TD><TD class=sc>87</TD><TD class=sc>.463</TD><TD class=sc>6th</TD><TD class=sc>27.0</TD><TD class=sc>81-81</TD><TD class=sc>-6</TD><TD class=sc>.262</TD><TD class=sc>4.08</TD><TD class=sc>.288</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>1,486,026</TD><TD class=sr>$18,330,054</TD><TD class=sr>$-2,927,475</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1983 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1983.html)</TD><TD class=scg>82</TD><TD class=scg>80</TD><TD class=scg>.506</TD><TD class=scg>3rd</TD><TD class=scg>18.0</TD><TD class=scg>86-76</TD><TD class=scg>-4</TD><TD class=scg>.285</TD><TD class=scg>4.49</TD><TD class=scg>.297</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>2,049,316</TD><TD class=srg>$16,183,179</TD><TD class=srg>$2,896,051</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1984 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1984.html)</TD><TD class=sc>99</TD><TD class=sc>63</TD><TD class=sc>.611</TD><TD class=sc>2nd</TD><TD class=sc>14.0</TD><TD class=sc>100-62</TD><TD class=sc>-1</TD><TD class=sc>.278</TD><TD class=sc>3.45</TD><TD class=sc>.274</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,409,242</TD><TD class=sr>$19,847,408</TD><TD class=sr>$3,689,847</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1985 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1985.html)</TD><TD class=scg>100</TD><TD class=scg>62</TD><TD class=scg>.617</TD><TD class=scg>1st</TD><TD class=scg>-</TD><TD class=scg>99-63</TD><TD class=scg>1</TD><TD class=scg>.262</TD><TD class=scg>3.53</TD><TD class=scg>.268</TD><TD class=scg>X</TD><TD class=scg>X</TD><TD class=srg>2,847,102</TD><TD class=srg>$23,246,593</TD><TD class=srg>$7,810,818</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1986 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1986.html)</TD><TD class=sc>94</TD><TD class=sc>69</TD><TD class=sc>.577</TD><TD class=sc>1st</TD><TD class=sc>-</TD><TD class=sc>90-73</TD><TD class=sc>4</TD><TD class=sc>.250</TD><TD class=sc>3.94</TD><TD class=sc>.274</TD><TD class=sc>X</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,618,336</TD><TD class=sr>$25,862,501</TD><TD class=sr>$5,782,902</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1987 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1987.html)</TD><TD class=scg>74</TD><TD class=scg>88</TD><TD class=scg>.457</TD><TD class=scg>5th</TD><TD class=scg>29.0</TD><TD class=scg>78-84</TD><TD class=scg>-4</TD><TD class=scg>.246</TD><TD class=scg>4.27</TD><TD class=scg>.275</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>1,539,769</TD><TD class=srg>$28,574,531</TD><TD class=srg>$-7,663,491</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1988 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1988.html)</TD><TD class=sc>74</TD><TD class=sc>88</TD><TD class=sc>.457</TD><TD class=sc>5th</TD><TD class=sc>28.0</TD><TD class=sc>76-86</TD><TD class=sc>-2</TD><TD class=sc>.244</TD><TD class=sc>3.87</TD><TD class=sc>.270</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>1,921,860</TD><TD class=sr>$21,955,057</TD><TD class=sr>$1,762,780</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1989 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1989.html)</TD><TD class=scg>63</TD><TD class=scg>99</TD><TD class=scg>.389</TD><TD class=scg>6th</TD><TD class=scg>30.0</TD><TD class=scg>60-102</TD><TD class=scg>3</TD><TD class=scg>.242</TD><TD class=scg>4.32</TD><TD class=scg>.312</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>1,847,365</TD><TD class=srg>$23,902,210</TD><TD class=srg>$578,150</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1990 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1990.html)</TD><TD class=sc>71</TD><TD class=sc>91</TD><TD class=sc>.438</TD><TD class=sc>6th</TD><TD class=sc>35.0</TD><TD class=sc>75-87</TD><TD class=sc>-4</TD><TD class=sc>.250</TD><TD class=sc>4.31</TD><TD class=sc>.291</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,025,336</TD><TD class=sr>$22,683,120</TD><TD class=sr>$4,649,015</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1991 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1991.html)</TD><TD class=scg>89</TD><TD class=scg>73</TD><TD class=scg>.549</TD><TD class=scg>4th</TD><TD class=scg>8.0</TD><TD class=scg>91-71</TD><TD class=scg>-2</TD><TD class=scg>.245</TD><TD class=scg>3.62</TD><TD class=scg>.265</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>2,552,740</TD><TD class=srg>$23,544,791</TD><TD class=srg>$11,501,444</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1992 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1992.html)</TD><TD class=sc>81</TD><TD class=sc>81</TD><TD class=sc>.500</TD><TD class=sc>4th</TD><TD class=sc>13.0</TD><TD class=sc>83-79</TD><TD class=sc>-2</TD><TD class=sc>.263</TD><TD class=sc>4.20</TD><TD class=sc>.286</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,843,739</TD><TD class=sr>$36,719,838</TD><TD class=sr>$2,571,890</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1993 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1993.html)</TD><TD class=scg>88</TD><TD class=scg>74</TD><TD class=scg>.543</TD><TD class=scg>4th</TD><TD class=scg>9.0</TD><TD class=scg>86-76</TD><TD class=scg>2</TD><TD class=scg>.267</TD><TD class=scg>4.12</TD><TD class=scg>.289</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>3,088,153</TD><TD class=srg>$36,154,656</TD><TD class=srg>$9,639,930</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1994 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1994.html)</TD><TD class=sc>65</TD><TD class=sc>97</TD><TD class=sc>.401</TD><TD class=sc>5th</TD><TD class=sc>26.0</TD><TD class=sc>67-95</TD><TD class=sc>-2</TD><TD class=sc>.270</TD><TD class=sc>5.93</TD><TD class=sc>.325</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,917,408</TD><TD class=sr>$45,279,222</TD><TD class=sr>$-4,732,954</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1995 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1995.html)</TD><TD class=scg>80</TD><TD class=scg>82</TD><TD class=scg>.494</TD><TD class=scg>3rd</TD><TD class=scg>8.0</TD><TD class=scg>79-83</TD><TD class=scg>1</TD><TD class=scg>.252</TD><TD class=scg>4.85</TD><TD class=scg>.297</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>3,082,998</TD><TD class=srg>$42,835,310</TD><TD class=srg>$379,288</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1996 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1996.html)</TD><TD class=sc>57</TD><TD class=sc>105</TD><TD class=sc>.352</TD><TD class=sc>5th</TD><TD class=sc>28.0</TD><TD class=sc>62-100</TD><TD class=sc>-5</TD><TD class=sc>.250</TD><TD class=sc>5.56</TD><TD class=sc>.324</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,115,654</TD><TD class=sr>$43,951,661</TD><TD class=sr>$-4,092,560</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1997 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1997.html)</TD><TD class=scg>71</TD><TD class=scg>91</TD><TD class=scg>.438</TD><TD class=scg>3rd</TD><TD class=scg>16.0</TD><TD class=scg>73-89</TD><TD class=scg>-2</TD><TD class=scg>.253</TD><TD class=scg>4.81</TD><TD class=scg>.308</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>2,120,058</TD><TD class=srg>$37,509,757</TD><TD class=srg>$3,053,753</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>1998 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1998.html)</TD><TD class=sc>70</TD><TD class=sc>92</TD><TD class=sc>.432</TD><TD class=sc>4th</TD><TD class=sc>20.0</TD><TD class=sc>69-93</TD><TD class=sc>1</TD><TD class=sc>.257</TD><TD class=sc>4.66</TD><TD class=sc>.310</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,304,829</TD><TD class=sr>$37,815,781</TD><TD class=sr>$6,090,650</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>1999 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1999.html)</TD><TD class=scg>83</TD><TD class=scg>79</TD><TD class=scg>.512</TD><TD class=scg>2nd</TD><TD class=scg>13.0</TD><TD class=scg>83-79</TD><TD class=scg>0</TD><TD class=scg>.272</TD><TD class=scg>4.90</TD><TD class=scg>.291</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>2,485,573</TD><TD class=srg>$48,629,929</TD><TD class=srg>$-976,816</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>2000 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_2000.html)</TD><TD class=sc>73</TD><TD class=sc>89</TD><TD class=sc>.451</TD><TD class=sc>5th</TD><TD class=sc>20.0</TD><TD class=sc>78-84</TD><TD class=sc>-5</TD><TD class=sc>.264</TD><TD class=sc>4.82</TD><TD class=sc>.307</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,419,420</TD><TD class=sr>$47,637,696</TD><TD class=sr>$2,608,082</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>2001 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_2001.html)</TD><TD class=scg>81</TD><TD class=scg>81</TD><TD class=scg>.500</TD><TD class=scg>4th</TD><TD class=scg>20.0</TD><TD class=scg>83-79</TD><TD class=scg>-2</TD><TD class=scg>.265</TD><TD class=scg>4.17</TD><TD class=scg>.298</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>2,633,459</TD><TD class=srg>$54,318,610</TD><TD class=srg>$1,582,059</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>2002 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_2002.html)</TD><TD class=sc>96</TD><TD class=sc>66</TD><TD class=sc>.593</TD><TD class=sc>2nd</TD><TD class=sc>3.0</TD><TD class=sc>89-73</TD><TD class=sc>7</TD><TD class=sc>.266</TD><TD class=sc>3.84</TD><TD class=sc>.286</TD><TD class=sc>X</TD><TD class=sc>X</TD><TD class=sr>3,591,375</TD><TD class=sr>$58,290,481</TD><TD class=sr>$16,535,418</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>2003 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_2003.html)</TD><TD class=scg>73</TD><TD class=scg>89</TD><TD class=scg>.451</TD><TD class=scg>5th</TD><TD class=scg>19.0</TD><TD class=scg>75-87</TD><TD class=scg>-2</TD><TD class=scg>.261</TD><TD class=scg>4.48</TD><TD class=scg>.286</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>2,762,708</TD><TD class=srg>$66,792,337</TD><TD class=srg>$-12,798,613</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>2004 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_2004.html)</TD><TD class=sc>74</TD><TD class=sc>88</TD><TD class=sc>.457</TD><TD class=sc>4th</TD><TD class=sc>22.0</TD><TD class=sc>73-89</TD><TD class=sc>1</TD><TD class=sc>.254</TD><TD class=sc>4.64</TD><TD class=sc>.309</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>2,887,971</TD><TD class=sr>$61,756,538</TD><TD class=sr>$6,947,402</TD></TR><TR><TD class=scg>2005 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_2005.html)</TD><TD class=scg>72</TD><TD class=scg>90</TD><TD class=scg>.444</TD><TD class=scg>5th</TD><TD class=scg>21.0</TD><TD class=scg>74-88</TD><TD class=scg>-2</TD><TD class=scg>.266</TD><TD class=scg>4.96</TD><TD class=scg>.303</TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=scg></TD><TD class=srg>2,849,354</TD><TD class=srg>$72,212,915</TD><TD class=srg>$-10,306,208</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sc>2006 (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_2006.html)</TD><TD class=sc>85</TD><TD class=sc>77</TD><TD class=sc>.525</TD><TD class=sc>3rd</TD><TD class=sc>2.0</TD><TD class=sc>85-77</TD><TD class=sc>0</TD><TD class=sc>.266</TD><TD class=sc>4.02</TD><TD class=sc>.285</TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sc></TD><TD class=sr>3,178,527</TD><TD class=sr>$66,065,404</TD><TD class=sr>$13,266,600</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2c>Totals</TD><TD class=h2c>8280</TD><TD class=h2c>8359</TD><TD class=h2c>.498</TD><TD class=h2c></TD><TD class=h2c></TD><TD class=h2c>8288-8351</TD><TD class=h2c>-8</TD><TD class=h2c>.264</TD><TD class=h2c>3.94</TD><TD class=h2c>.291</TD><TD class=h2c>10</TD><TD class=h2c>4</TD><TD class=h2r>131,151,578</TD><TD class=h2r></TD><TD class=h2r>42,307,432</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:20 PM
I pulled the plug on my desktop so I'm connected. Let me know if you have any particular reports you want me to cut and paste (players, leaders, etc.), and I'll try to get to it before I sign off for the night. I'll pick out a few interesting ones and post them.
Bearcat729
03-27-2007, 10:25 PM
In this sim, they made the playoffs just 10 times from 1901 through 2006 and won 4 WS titles - 1902, 1940, 1985, and 2002.
Kaline had a Hof career, but I'm sad to report that the Tigers traded him in 1969 to the expansion Seattle Pilots prior to the season for a crappy MR who wasa crappy closer for a couple of years for the Tigers..
Interesting I just noticed in my history sim that Al Rosen was traded not once but twice for MR. The first time was after his rookie year where he put up a .295 Avg with 34 HR and 104 RBI(Career highs for him) and the Indians traded him to the Braves for a MR that never pitched for the Indians. The second time he had already made the All Star game once, but was traded to the Yankees for a MR. He's never put up the type of numbers Rosen did in real life but still it was odd to see him traded twice.
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:27 PM
I've seen it a bunch, too. I wonder if it's tied to the what someone (JPhillips?) mentioned earlier about the game overvaluing MRs in drafts. Could be the same thing going on here.
Most of the guys being traded for MRs aren't great - or aren't any longer - but you'd think they would command more.
twothree
03-27-2007, 10:33 PM
I pulled the plug on my desktop so I'm connected. Let me know if you have any particular reports you want me to cut and paste (players, leaders, etc.), and I'll try to get to it before I sign off for the night. I'll pick out a few interesting ones and post them.
I always like to find out the top three single single season record holders in home runs, hits, and triples when a historic league is simmed. :)
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:33 PM
Barry Bonds...released the day after he suffered his CEI. Damn that's cold! :D
<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=911><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4>Career Batting Stats</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=hsc0 width=201>Year/Team/League</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>Age</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>G</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>AB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>H</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>2B</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>3B</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HR</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>RBI</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>R</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>BB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>SF</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>K</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>SB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>CS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>AVG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>OBP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>SLG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>OPS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>VORP</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1986 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1986.html)</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>143</TD><TD class=srg>506</TD><TD class=srg>128</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>36</TD><TD class=srg>97</TD><TD class=srg>108</TD><TD class=srg>119</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>137</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>.253</TD><TD class=srg>.398</TD><TD class=srg>.540</TD><TD class=srg>.938</TD><TD class=srg>53.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1987 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1987.html)</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>616</TD><TD class=sr>184</TD><TD class=sr>44</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>32</TD><TD class=sr>123</TD><TD class=sr>115</TD><TD class=sr>80</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>99</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>19</TD><TD class=sr>.299</TD><TD class=sr>.376</TD><TD class=sr>.549</TD><TD class=sr>.925</TD><TD class=sr>55.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1988 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1988.html)</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>616</TD><TD class=srg>149</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>88</TD><TD class=srg>98</TD><TD class=srg>68</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>89</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>.242</TD><TD class=srg>.317</TD><TD class=srg>.401</TD><TD class=srg>.718</TD><TD class=srg>17.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1989 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1989.html)</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>631</TD><TD class=sr>189</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>93</TD><TD class=sr>98</TD><TD class=sr>72</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>93</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>.300</TD><TD class=sr>.368</TD><TD class=sr>.506</TD><TD class=sr>.874</TD><TD class=sr>63.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1990 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1990.html)</TD><TD class=srg>25</TD><TD class=srg>142</TD><TD class=srg>537</TD><TD class=srg>150</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>100</TD><TD class=srg>94</TD><TD class=srg>76</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>73</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>.279</TD><TD class=srg>.370</TD><TD class=srg>.471</TD><TD class=srg>.841</TD><TD class=srg>47.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1991 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1991.html)</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>134</TD><TD class=sr>483</TD><TD class=sr>152</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>34</TD><TD class=sr>112</TD><TD class=sr>112</TD><TD class=sr>99</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>72</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>.315</TD><TD class=sr>.431</TD><TD class=sr>.602</TD><TD class=sr>1.034</TD><TD class=sr>80.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1992 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1992.html)</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>618</TD><TD class=srg>183</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>95</TD><TD class=srg>112</TD><TD class=srg>103</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>77</TD><TD class=srg>53</TD><TD class=srg>18</TD><TD class=srg>.296</TD><TD class=srg>.399</TD><TD class=srg>.521</TD><TD class=srg>.920</TD><TD class=srg>75.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1993 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1993.html)</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>625</TD><TD class=sr>210</TD><TD class=sr>25</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>66</TD><TD class=sr>172</TD><TD class=sr>154</TD><TD class=sr>111</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>60</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>.336</TD><TD class=sr>.441</TD><TD class=sr>.702</TD><TD class=sr>1.144</TD><TD class=sr>125.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1994 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1994.html)</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>148</TD><TD class=srg>567</TD><TD class=srg>186</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>49</TD><TD class=srg>120</TD><TD class=srg>128</TD><TD class=srg>86</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>72</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>.328</TD><TD class=srg>.420</TD><TD class=srg>.651</TD><TD class=srg>1.071</TD><TD class=srg>80.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1995 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1995.html)</TD><TD class=sr>30</TD><TD class=sr>39</TD><TD class=sr>146</TD><TD class=sr>47</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>16</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>.322</TD><TD class=sr>.421</TD><TD class=sr>.541</TD><TD class=sr>.962</TD><TD class=sr>14.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1996 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1996.html)</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>592</TD><TD class=srg>189</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>40</TD><TD class=srg>119</TD><TD class=srg>154</TD><TD class=srg>141</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>87</TD><TD class=srg>44</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>.319</TD><TD class=srg>.453</TD><TD class=srg>.579</TD><TD class=srg>1.032</TD><TD class=srg>83.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1997 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1997.html)</TD><TD class=sr>32</TD><TD class=sr>122</TD><TD class=sr>433</TD><TD class=sr>128</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>30</TD><TD class=sr>102</TD><TD class=sr>103</TD><TD class=sr>95</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>67</TD><TD class=sr>39</TD><TD class=sr>15</TD><TD class=sr>.296</TD><TD class=sr>.426</TD><TD class=sr>.584</TD><TD class=sr>1.010</TD><TD class=sr>61.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1998 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1998.html)</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>106</TD><TD class=srg>400</TD><TD class=srg>102</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>94</TD><TD class=srg>84</TD><TD class=srg>82</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>55</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>.255</TD><TD class=srg>.380</TD><TD class=srg>.522</TD><TD class=srg>.903</TD><TD class=srg>34.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1999 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1999.html)</TD><TD class=sr>34</TD><TD class=sr>111</TD><TD class=sr>385</TD><TD class=sr>124</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>90</TD><TD class=sr>111</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>52</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>.322</TD><TD class=sr>.474</TD><TD class=sr>.699</TD><TD class=sr>1.173</TD><TD class=sr>81.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>2000 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_2000.html)</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>559</TD><TD class=srg>159</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>63</TD><TD class=srg>152</TD><TD class=srg>155</TD><TD class=srg>184</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>99</TD><TD class=srg>20</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>.284</TD><TD class=srg>.467</TD><TD class=srg>.671</TD><TD class=srg>1.138</TD><TD class=srg>107.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>2001 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_2001.html)</TD><TD class=sr>36</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>549</TD><TD class=sr>179</TD><TD class=sr>30</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>56</TD><TD class=sr>143</TD><TD class=sr>154</TD><TD class=sr>181</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>74</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>.326</TD><TD class=sr>.491</TD><TD class=sr>.698</TD><TD class=sr>1.188</TD><TD class=sr>121.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>2002 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_2002.html)</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>116</TD><TD class=srg>398</TD><TD class=srg>150</TD><TD class=srg>20</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>53</TD><TD class=srg>108</TD><TD class=srg>125</TD><TD class=srg>125</TD><TD class=srg>9</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>48</TD><TD class=srg>9</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>.377</TD><TD class=srg>.531</TD><TD class=srg>.837</TD><TD class=srg>1.368</TD><TD class=srg>120.5</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2l>Total MLB</TD><TD class=h2r>17 yrs.</TD><TD class=h2r>2357</TD><TD class=h2r>8661</TD><TD class=h2r>2609</TD><TD class=h2r>453</TD><TD class=h2r>79</TD><TD class=h2r>625</TD><TD class=h2r>1824</TD><TD class=h2r>1938</TD><TD class=h2r>1752</TD><TD class=h2r>96</TD><TD class=h2r>90</TD><TD class=h2r>1277</TD><TD class=h2r>431</TD><TD class=h2r>177</TD><TD class=h2r>.301</TD><TD class=h2r>.421</TD><TD class=h2r>.588</TD><TD class=h2r>1.009</TD><TD class=h2r>1223.1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=911><TBODY><TR><TD class=slg width=80>08-13-2002</TD><TD class=slg width=831>Injured (torn ankle ligaments), career-ending injury!</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl width=80>08-14-2002</TD><TD class=sl width=831>Released by the Pittsburgh Pirates (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/teams/team_15.html).</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg width=80>08-30-2002</TD><TD class=slg width=831>Retired from professional baseball.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl width=80>08-30-2002</TD><TD class=sl width=831>Was inducted to the Hall of Fame
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:39 PM
I always like to find out the top three single single season record holders in home runs, hits, and triples when a historic league is simmed. :)
Hits:
Al Simmons '29 - 262
Joe Jackson '21 - 262
Al Simmons '28 - 261
Triples:
Ty Cobb '11 - 35
Tris Speaker '13 - 33
Birdie Cree '11 - 31
HR:
Barry Bonds '93 - 66
Mark McGwire '94 - 66
Mark McGwire '95 - 65
Honorable Mention - Wily Mo Pena '05 - 62 :eek: :D
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:44 PM
Darryl Strawberry...
<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=911><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4>Career Batting Stats</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=hsc0 width=201>Year/Team/League</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>Age</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>G</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>AB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>H</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>2B</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>3B</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HR</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>RBI</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>R</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>BB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>SF</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>K</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>SB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>CS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>AVG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>OBP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>SLG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>OPS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>VORP</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1983 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1983.html)</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>626</TD><TD class=srg>179</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>110</TD><TD class=srg>99</TD><TD class=srg>92</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>164</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>.286</TD><TD class=srg>.377</TD><TD class=srg>.534</TD><TD class=srg>.911</TD><TD class=srg>61.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1984 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1984.html)</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>622</TD><TD class=sr>167</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>111</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>76</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>12</TD><TD class=sr>167</TD><TD class=sr>42</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>.268</TD><TD class=sr>.343</TD><TD class=sr>.460</TD><TD class=sr>.803</TD><TD class=sr>40.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1985 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1985.html)</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>137</TD><TD class=srg>513</TD><TD class=srg>136</TD><TD class=srg>18</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>30</TD><TD class=srg>95</TD><TD class=srg>100</TD><TD class=srg>83</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>128</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>13</TD><TD class=srg>.265</TD><TD class=srg>.366</TD><TD class=srg>.515</TD><TD class=srg>.881</TD><TD class=srg>39.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1986 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1986.html)</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>613</TD><TD class=sr>172</TD><TD class=sr>25</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>46</TD><TD class=sr>134</TD><TD class=sr>131</TD><TD class=sr>101</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>148</TD><TD class=sr>37</TD><TD class=sr>15</TD><TD class=sr>.281</TD><TD class=sr>.388</TD><TD class=sr>.563</TD><TD class=sr>.951</TD><TD class=sr>69.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1987 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1987.html)</TD><TD class=srg>25</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>608</TD><TD class=srg>176</TD><TD class=srg>25</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>46</TD><TD class=srg>134</TD><TD class=srg>126</TD><TD class=srg>101</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>147</TD><TD class=srg>39</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>.289</TD><TD class=srg>.394</TD><TD class=srg>.574</TD><TD class=srg>.968</TD><TD class=srg>74.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1988 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1988.html)</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>630</TD><TD class=sr>170</TD><TD class=sr>34</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>45</TD><TD class=sr>115</TD><TD class=sr>106</TD><TD class=sr>73</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>138</TD><TD class=sr>18</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>.270</TD><TD class=sr>.347</TD><TD class=sr>.551</TD><TD class=sr>.898</TD><TD class=sr>63.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1989 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1989.html)</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>140</TD><TD class=srg>527</TD><TD class=srg>125</TD><TD class=srg>20</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>86</TD><TD class=srg>78</TD><TD class=srg>59</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>111</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>.237</TD><TD class=srg>.311</TD><TD class=srg>.459</TD><TD class=srg>.770</TD><TD class=srg>24.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1990 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1990.html)</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>612</TD><TD class=sr>173</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>40</TD><TD class=sr>120</TD><TD class=sr>101</TD><TD class=sr>73</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>130</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>.283</TD><TD class=sr>.362</TD><TD class=sr>.533</TD><TD class=sr>.894</TD><TD class=sr>58.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1991 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1991.html)</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>161</TD><TD class=srg>604</TD><TD class=srg>177</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>47</TD><TD class=srg>149</TD><TD class=srg>110</TD><TD class=srg>88</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>130</TD><TD class=srg>17</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>.293</TD><TD class=srg>.384</TD><TD class=srg>.586</TD><TD class=srg>.970</TD><TD class=srg>76.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1992 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1992.html)</TD><TD class=sr>30</TD><TD class=sr>153</TD><TD class=sr>449</TD><TD class=sr>102</TD><TD class=sr>12</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>67</TD><TD class=sr>72</TD><TD class=sr>69</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>99</TD><TD class=sr>18</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>.227</TD><TD class=sr>.331</TD><TD class=sr>.421</TD><TD class=sr>.752</TD><TD class=sr>19.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1993 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1993.html)</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>78</TD><TD class=srg>90</TD><TD class=srg>18</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>18</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>.200</TD><TD class=srg>.342</TD><TD class=srg>.289</TD><TD class=srg>.631</TD><TD class=srg>-2.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1994 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1994.html)</TD><TD class=sr>32</TD><TD class=sr>156</TD><TD class=sr>479</TD><TD class=sr>115</TD><TD class=sr>18</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>80</TD><TD class=sr>79</TD><TD class=sr>71</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>118</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>.240</TD><TD class=sr>.351</TD><TD class=sr>.436</TD><TD class=sr>.787</TD><TD class=sr>7.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1995 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1995.html)</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>152</TD><TD class=srg>429</TD><TD class=srg>105</TD><TD class=srg>9</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>86</TD><TD class=srg>79</TD><TD class=srg>77</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>105</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>.245</TD><TD class=srg>.363</TD><TD class=srg>.483</TD><TD class=srg>.846</TD><TD class=srg>14.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1996 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1996.html)</TD><TD class=sr>34</TD><TD class=sr>151</TD><TD class=sr>427</TD><TD class=sr>105</TD><TD class=sr>16</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>17</TD><TD class=sr>48</TD><TD class=sr>70</TD><TD class=sr>59</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>120</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>.246</TD><TD class=sr>.337</TD><TD class=sr>.412</TD><TD class=sr>.750</TD><TD class=sr>-3.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1997 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1997.html)</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>147</TD><TD class=srg>425</TD><TD class=srg>114</TD><TD class=srg>16</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>40</TD><TD class=srg>105</TD><TD class=srg>86</TD><TD class=srg>85</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>122</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>.268</TD><TD class=srg>.388</TD><TD class=srg>.588</TD><TD class=srg>.976</TD><TD class=srg>46.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1998 Pittsburgh - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_15_1998.html)</TD><TD class=sr>36</TD><TD class=sr>135</TD><TD class=sr>356</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>12</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>100</TD><TD class=sr>76</TD><TD class=sr>79</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>86</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>.301</TD><TD class=sr>.425</TD><TD class=sr>.590</TD><TD class=sr>1.015</TD><TD class=sr>50.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1999 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1999.html)</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>158</TD><TD class=srg>503</TD><TD class=srg>144</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>105</TD><TD class=srg>115</TD><TD class=srg>121</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>133</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>.286</TD><TD class=srg>.425</TD><TD class=srg>.583</TD><TD class=srg>1.007</TD><TD class=srg>66.7</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2l>Total MLB</TD><TD class=h2r>17 yrs.</TD><TD class=h2r>2540</TD><TD class=h2r>8513</TD><TD class=h2r>2285</TD><TD class=h2r>347</TD><TD class=h2r>61</TD><TD class=h2r>551</TD><TD class=h2r>1660</TD><TD class=h2r>1549</TD><TD class=h2r>1325</TD><TD class=h2r>72</TD><TD class=h2r>92</TD><TD class=h2r>2060</TD><TD class=h2r>276</TD><TD class=h2r>99</TD><TD class=h2r>.268</TD><TD class=h2r>.368</TD><TD class=h2r>.518</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 10:44 PM
Dwight Gooden...
<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=911><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4>Career Pitching Stats</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=hsc0 width=204>Year/Team/League</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>Age</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>G</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>GS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>W</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>L</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>SV</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>ERA</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>IP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>HA</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>R</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>ER</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HR</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>BB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>K</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>CG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>SHO</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>WHIP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>BABIP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>VORP</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1984 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1984.html)</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>2.93</TD><TD class=srg>98.1</TD><TD class=srg>76</TD><TD class=srg>38</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>117</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>1.11</TD><TD class=srg>.307</TD><TD class=srg>21.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1985 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1985.html)</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>34</TD><TD class=sr>34</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1.99</TD><TD class=sr>258.1</TD><TD class=sr>181</TD><TD class=sr>66</TD><TD class=sr>57</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>74</TD><TD class=sr>252</TD><TD class=sr>12</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>0.99</TD><TD class=sr>.260</TD><TD class=sr>88.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1986 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1986.html)</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>2.10</TD><TD class=srg>278.0</TD><TD class=srg>204</TD><TD class=srg>76</TD><TD class=srg>65</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>79</TD><TD class=srg>231</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1.02</TD><TD class=srg>.260</TD><TD class=srg>95.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1987 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1987.html)</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>16</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>3.45</TD><TD class=sr>216.2</TD><TD class=sr>208</TD><TD class=sr>106</TD><TD class=sr>83</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>75</TD><TD class=sr>170</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>1.31</TD><TD class=sr>.307</TD><TD class=sr>42.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1988 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1988.html)</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>2.42</TD><TD class=srg>264.1</TD><TD class=srg>224</TD><TD class=srg>82</TD><TD class=srg>71</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>61</TD><TD class=srg>223</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>1.08</TD><TD class=srg>.294</TD><TD class=srg>60.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1989 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1989.html)</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>16</TD><TD class=sr>12</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>2.89</TD><TD class=sr>271.1</TD><TD class=sr>251</TD><TD class=sr>102</TD><TD class=sr>87</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>77</TD><TD class=sr>226</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>1.21</TD><TD class=sr>.310</TD><TD class=sr>48.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1990 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1990.html)</TD><TD class=srg>25</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>20</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>3.29</TD><TD class=srg>251.2</TD><TD class=srg>238</TD><TD class=srg>100</TD><TD class=srg>92</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>80</TD><TD class=srg>220</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>1.26</TD><TD class=srg>.310</TD><TD class=srg>49.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1991 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1991.html)</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>15</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>3.78</TD><TD class=sr>255.0</TD><TD class=sr>241</TD><TD class=sr>125</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>100</TD><TD class=sr>224</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>1.34</TD><TD class=sr>.305</TD><TD class=sr>31.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1992 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1992.html)</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>13</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>3.38</TD><TD class=srg>261.0</TD><TD class=srg>251</TD><TD class=srg>117</TD><TD class=srg>98</TD><TD class=srg>13</TD><TD class=srg>86</TD><TD class=srg>170</TD><TD class=srg>9</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1.29</TD><TD class=srg>.293</TD><TD class=srg>43.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1993 New York - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_42_1993.html)</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>4.50</TD><TD class=sr>56.0</TD><TD class=sr>66</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>21</TD><TD class=sr>42</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1.55</TD><TD class=sr>.343</TD><TD class=sr>4.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1994 Atlanta - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_10_1994.html)</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>4.28</TD><TD class=srg>231.1</TD><TD class=srg>221</TD><TD class=srg>115</TD><TD class=srg>110</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>91</TD><TD class=srg>179</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1.35</TD><TD class=srg>.299</TD><TD class=srg>45.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1995 Atlanta - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_10_1995.html)</TD><TD class=sr>30</TD><TD class=sr>25</TD><TD class=sr>25</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>6.41</TD><TD class=sr>140.1</TD><TD class=sr>158</TD><TD class=sr>106</TD><TD class=sr>100</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>65</TD><TD class=sr>122</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1.59</TD><TD class=sr>.335</TD><TD class=sr>-8.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1996 Atlanta - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_10_1996.html)</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>5.72</TD><TD class=srg>146.1</TD><TD class=srg>146</TD><TD class=srg>101</TD><TD class=srg>93</TD><TD class=srg>18</TD><TD class=srg>74</TD><TD class=srg>99</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1.50</TD><TD class=srg>.294</TD><TD class=srg>6.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1997 Atlanta - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_10_1997.html)</TD><TD class=sr>32</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>3.86</TD><TD class=sr>9.1</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1.39</TD><TD class=sr>.174</TD><TD class=sr>1.7</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2l>Total MLB</TD><TD class=h2l>14 yrs.</TD><TD class=h2r>383</TD><TD class=h2r>380</TD><TD class=h2r>188</TD><TD class=h2r>117</TD><TD class=h2r>0</TD><TD class=h2r>3.38</TD><TD class=h2r>2738.0</TD><TD class=h2r>2471</TD><TD class=h2r>1169</TD><TD class=h2r>1027</TD><TD class=h2r>149</TD><TD class=h2r>923</TD><TD class=h2r>2281</TD><TD class=h2r>67</TD><TD class=h2r>20</TD><TD class=h2r>1.24</TD><TD class=h2r>.296</TD><TD class=h2r>530.3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 11:00 PM
Fred Lynn...went to the Angels after 1980 just like IRL!
<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=911><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4>Career Batting Stats</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=hsc0 width=201>Year/Team/League</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>Age</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>G</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>AB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>H</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>2B</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>3B</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HR</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>RBI</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>R</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>BB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>SF</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>K</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>SB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>CS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>AVG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>OBP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>SLG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>OPS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>VORP</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1974 Boston - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_2_1974.html)</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>.000</TD><TD class=srg>.000</TD><TD class=srg>.000</TD><TD class=srg>.000</TD><TD class=srg>-0.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1975 Boston - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_2_1975.html)</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>646</TD><TD class=sr>204</TD><TD class=sr>48</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>89</TD><TD class=sr>102</TD><TD class=sr>70</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>92</TD><TD class=sr>14</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>.316</TD><TD class=sr>.384</TD><TD class=sr>.502</TD><TD class=sr>.885</TD><TD class=sr>51.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1976 Boston - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_2_1976.html)</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>148</TD><TD class=srg>587</TD><TD class=srg>172</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>80</TD><TD class=srg>105</TD><TD class=srg>68</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>71</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>.293</TD><TD class=srg>.368</TD><TD class=srg>.506</TD><TD class=srg>.874</TD><TD class=srg>42.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1977 Boston - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_2_1977.html)</TD><TD class=sr>25</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>658</TD><TD class=sr>184</TD><TD class=sr>36</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>111</TD><TD class=sr>101</TD><TD class=sr>65</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>.280</TD><TD class=sr>.346</TD><TD class=sr>.482</TD><TD class=sr>.828</TD><TD class=sr>24.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1978 Boston - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_2_1978.html)</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>641</TD><TD class=srg>200</TD><TD class=srg>40</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>38</TD><TD class=srg>130</TD><TD class=srg>116</TD><TD class=srg>78</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>65</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>.312</TD><TD class=srg>.387</TD><TD class=srg>.568</TD><TD class=srg>.955</TD><TD class=srg>56.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1979 Boston - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_2_1979.html)</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>639</TD><TD class=sr>187</TD><TD class=sr>38</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>120</TD><TD class=sr>105</TD><TD class=sr>72</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>52</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>.293</TD><TD class=sr>.362</TD><TD class=sr>.526</TD><TD class=sr>.887</TD><TD class=sr>51.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1980 Boston - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_2_1980.html)</TD><TD class=srg>28</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>611</TD><TD class=srg>159</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>105</TD><TD class=srg>100</TD><TD class=srg>97</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>91</TD><TD class=srg>20</TD><TD class=srg>9</TD><TD class=srg>.260</TD><TD class=srg>.358</TD><TD class=srg>.440</TD><TD class=srg>.798</TD><TD class=srg>30.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1981 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1981.html)</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>600</TD><TD class=sr>163</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>14</TD><TD class=sr>69</TD><TD class=sr>81</TD><TD class=sr>95</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>76</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>.272</TD><TD class=sr>.371</TD><TD class=sr>.400</TD><TD class=sr>.771</TD><TD class=sr>30.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1982 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1982.html)</TD><TD class=srg>30</TD><TD class=srg>141</TD><TD class=srg>468</TD><TD class=srg>139</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>74</TD><TD class=srg>76</TD><TD class=srg>66</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>84</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>.297</TD><TD class=srg>.386</TD><TD class=srg>.487</TD><TD class=srg>.873</TD><TD class=srg>44.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1983 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1983.html)</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>153</TD><TD class=sr>545</TD><TD class=sr>149</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>93</TD><TD class=sr>84</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>100</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>.273</TD><TD class=sr>.362</TD><TD class=sr>.481</TD><TD class=sr>.843</TD><TD class=sr>35.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1984 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1984.html)</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>148</TD><TD class=srg>559</TD><TD class=srg>128</TD><TD class=srg>20</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>80</TD><TD class=srg>86</TD><TD class=srg>72</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>116</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>.229</TD><TD class=srg>.318</TD><TD class=srg>.420</TD><TD class=srg>.739</TD><TD class=srg>14.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1985 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1985.html)</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>126</TD><TD class=sr>370</TD><TD class=sr>112</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>65</TD><TD class=sr>67</TD><TD class=sr>60</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>60</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>.303</TD><TD class=sr>.399</TD><TD class=sr>.546</TD><TD class=sr>.945</TD><TD class=sr>42.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1986 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1986.html)</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>79</TD><TD class=srg>247</TD><TD class=srg>55</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>58</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>.223</TD><TD class=srg>.317</TD><TD class=srg>.348</TD><TD class=srg>.665</TD><TD class=srg>-0.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1987 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1987.html)</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>48</TD><TD class=sr>144</TD><TD class=sr>40</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>19</TD><TD class=sr>18</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>.278</TD><TD class=sr>.358</TD><TD class=sr>.479</TD><TD class=sr>.837</TD><TD class=sr>10.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1988 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1988.html)</TD><TD class=srg>36</TD><TD class=srg>138</TD><TD class=srg>450</TD><TD class=srg>101</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>79</TD><TD class=srg>58</TD><TD class=srg>54</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>82</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>.224</TD><TD class=srg>.306</TD><TD class=srg>.407</TD><TD class=srg>.713</TD><TD class=srg>7.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1989 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1989.html)</TD><TD class=sr>37</TD><TD class=sr>129</TD><TD class=sr>388</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>21</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>16</TD><TD class=sr>56</TD><TD class=sr>53</TD><TD class=sr>44</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>.276</TD><TD class=sr>.347</TD><TD class=sr>.454</TD><TD class=sr>.801</TD><TD class=sr>24.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1990 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1990.html)</TD><TD class=srg>38</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>65</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>.169</TD><TD class=srg>.257</TD><TD class=srg>.292</TD><TD class=srg>.549</TD><TD class=srg>-3.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1991 California - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_37_1991.html)</TD><TD class=sr>39</TD><TD class=sr>81</TD><TD class=sr>187</TD><TD class=sr>41</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>12</TD><TD class=sr>21</TD><TD class=sr>16</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>44</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>.219</TD><TD class=sr>.284</TD><TD class=sr>.299</TD><TD class=sr>.584</TD><TD class=sr>-4.8</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2l>Total MLB</TD><TD class=h2r>18 yrs.</TD><TD class=h2r>2193</TD><TD class=h2r>7806</TD><TD class=h2r>2152</TD><TD class=h2r>393</TD><TD class=h2r>49</TD><TD class=h2r>340</TD><TD class=h2r>1225</TD><TD class=h2r>1216</TD><TD class=h2r>994</TD><TD class=h2r>40</TD><TD class=h2r>78</TD><TD class=h2r>1189</TD><TD class=h2r>90</TD><TD class=h2r>53</TD><TD class=h2r>.276</TD><TD class=h2r>.357</TD><TD class=h2r>.469</TD><TD class=h2r>.827</TD><TD class=h2r>457.0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 11:13 PM
Joe Magrane - interesting career, 2 Cy Youngs in his first 4 years, then his ratings fell off a cliff in 1992 and he barely played again.
<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=911><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4>Career Pitching Stats</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=hsc0 width=204>Year/Team/League</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>Age</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>G</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>GS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>W</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>L</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>SV</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>ERA</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>IP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>HA</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>R</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>ER</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HR</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>BB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>K</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>CG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>SHO</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>WHIP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>BABIP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>VORP</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1987 St. Louis - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_16_1987.html)</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>2.55</TD><TD class=srg>261.0</TD><TD class=srg>238</TD><TD class=srg>97</TD><TD class=srg>74</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>70</TD><TD class=srg>145</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>1.18</TD><TD class=srg>.280</TD><TD class=srg>83.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1988 St. Louis - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_16_1988.html)</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>35</TD><TD class=sr>14</TD><TD class=sr>17</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>3.06</TD><TD class=sr>259.0</TD><TD class=sr>232</TD><TD class=sr>100</TD><TD class=sr>88</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>58</TD><TD class=sr>167</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>1.12</TD><TD class=sr>.281</TD><TD class=sr>45.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1989 St. Louis - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_16_1989.html)</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>13</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>3.14</TD><TD class=srg>258.0</TD><TD class=srg>246</TD><TD class=srg>106</TD><TD class=srg>90</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>79</TD><TD class=srg>156</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1.26</TD><TD class=srg>.294</TD><TD class=srg>45.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1990 St. Louis - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_16_1990.html)</TD><TD class=sr>25</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>2.56</TD><TD class=sr>256.1</TD><TD class=sr>220</TD><TD class=sr>81</TD><TD class=sr>73</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>77</TD><TD class=sr>144</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>1.16</TD><TD class=sr>.270</TD><TD class=sr>70.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1991 St. Louis - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_16_1991.html)</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>3.20</TD><TD class=srg>250.2</TD><TD class=srg>232</TD><TD class=srg>98</TD><TD class=srg>89</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>73</TD><TD class=srg>125</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>1.22</TD><TD class=srg>.276</TD><TD class=srg>49.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1994 St. Louis - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_16_1994.html)</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0.00</TD><TD class=sr>1.2</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0.60</TD><TD class=sr>.000</TD><TD class=sr>1.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1996 St. Louis - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_16_1996.html)</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0.00</TD><TD class=srg>1.0</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>2.00</TD><TD class=srg>.250</TD><TD class=srg>0.6</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2l>Total MLB</TD><TD class=h2l>7 yrs.</TD><TD class=h2r>174</TD><TD class=h2r>170</TD><TD class=h2r>88</TD><TD class=h2r>55</TD><TD class=h2r>0</TD><TD class=h2r>2.89</TD><TD class=h2r>1287.2</TD><TD class=h2r>1169</TD><TD class=h2r>482</TD><TD class=h2r>414</TD><TD class=h2r>37</TD><TD class=h2r>359</TD><TD class=h2r>740</TD><TD class=h2r>40</TD><TD class=h2r>12</TD><TD class=h2r>1.19</TD><TD class=h2r>.280</TD><TD class=h2r>296.6</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 11:16 PM
Fernando...injuries killed his career later on (he worked his butt off to get back with the Tigers, pitched well, then got injured again), but interesting how he was converted to a closer in 81 - FernandoMania year IRL - but never closed again.
<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=911><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4>Career Pitching Stats</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=hsc0 width=204>Year/Team/League</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>Age</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>G</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>GS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>W</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>L</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>SV</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>ERA</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>IP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>HA</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>R</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>ER</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HR</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>BB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>K</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>CG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>SHO</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>WHIP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>BABIP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=50>VORP</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1980 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1980.html)</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>36</TD><TD class=srg>36</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>16</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>3.29</TD><TD class=srg>257.1</TD><TD class=srg>237</TD><TD class=srg>113</TD><TD class=srg>94</TD><TD class=srg>16</TD><TD class=srg>104</TD><TD class=srg>159</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1.33</TD><TD class=srg>.275</TD><TD class=srg>46.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1981 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1981.html)</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>47</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>1.81</TD><TD class=sr>54.2</TD><TD class=sr>43</TD><TD class=sr>16</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>55</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1.19</TD><TD class=sr>.289</TD><TD class=sr>16.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1982 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1982.html)</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>17</TD><TD class=srg>13</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>2.91</TD><TD class=srg>287.2</TD><TD class=srg>246</TD><TD class=srg>102</TD><TD class=srg>93</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>73</TD><TD class=srg>224</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1.11</TD><TD class=srg>.271</TD><TD class=srg>61.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1983 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1983.html)</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>32</TD><TD class=sr>32</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>2.50</TD><TD class=sr>255.1</TD><TD class=sr>191</TD><TD class=sr>79</TD><TD class=sr>71</TD><TD class=sr>16</TD><TD class=sr>91</TD><TD class=sr>206</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>1.10</TD><TD class=sr>.251</TD><TD class=sr>72.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1984 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1984.html)</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>13</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1.49</TD><TD class=srg>198.2</TD><TD class=srg>144</TD><TD class=srg>41</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>77</TD><TD class=srg>159</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>1.11</TD><TD class=srg>.253</TD><TD class=srg>73.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1985 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1985.html)</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>18</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>3.11</TD><TD class=sr>252.0</TD><TD class=sr>200</TD><TD class=sr>95</TD><TD class=sr>87</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>109</TD><TD class=sr>231</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>1.23</TD><TD class=sr>.277</TD><TD class=sr>53.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1986 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1986.html)</TD><TD class=srg>25</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>4.27</TD><TD class=srg>248.2</TD><TD class=srg>235</TD><TD class=srg>125</TD><TD class=srg>118</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>115</TD><TD class=srg>230</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1.41</TD><TD class=srg>.315</TD><TD class=srg>18.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1987 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1987.html)</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>4.44</TD><TD class=sr>188.1</TD><TD class=sr>193</TD><TD class=sr>113</TD><TD class=sr>93</TD><TD class=sr>18</TD><TD class=sr>89</TD><TD class=sr>129</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>1.50</TD><TD class=sr>.298</TD><TD class=sr>16.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1988 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1988.html)</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>4.06</TD><TD class=srg>51.0</TD><TD class=srg>54</TD><TD class=srg>28</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>36</TD><TD class=srg>24</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1.76</TD><TD class=srg>.293</TD><TD class=srg>2.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1989 Los Angeles - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_9_1989.html)</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>14.40</TD><TD class=sr>5.0</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>3.00</TD><TD class=sr>.526</TD><TD class=sr>-5.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1990 Detroit - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_5_1990.html)</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>14</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>3.44</TD><TD class=srg>96.2</TD><TD class=srg>85</TD><TD class=srg>41</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>51</TD><TD class=srg>46</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1.41</TD><TD class=srg>.257</TD><TD class=srg>17.8</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2l>Total MLB</TD><TD class=h2l>11 yrs.</TD><TD class=h2r>307</TD><TD class=h2r>237</TD><TD class=h2r>112</TD><TD class=h2r>82</TD><TD class=h2r>27</TD><TD class=h2r>3.17</TD><TD class=h2r>1895.1</TD><TD class=h2r>1639</TD><TD class=h2r>761</TD><TD class=h2r>668</TD><TD class=h2r>120</TD><TD class=h2r>771</TD><TD class=h2r>1468</TD><TD class=h2r>64</TD><TD class=h2r>16</TD><TD class=h2r>1.27</TD><TD class=h2r>.278</TD><TD class=h2r>374.6</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ksyrup
03-27-2007, 11:20 PM
Reggie Jackson...I'm trying to figure out how he ended up on Oakland after his first year with KC, because there's absolutely no history explaining the roster move. Destiny?
<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=911><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4>Career Batting Stats</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=hsc0 width=201>Year/Team/League</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>Age</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>G</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>AB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>H</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>2B</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>3B</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HR</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>RBI</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>R</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>BB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>HP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=30>SF</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>K</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>SB</TD><TD class=hsnr width=35>CS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>AVG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>OBP</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>SLG</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>OPS</TD><TD class=hsnr width=44>VORP</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1967 Kansas City - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1967.html)</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>92</TD><TD class=srg>191</TD><TD class=srg>44</TD><TD class=srg>11</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>48</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>.230</TD><TD class=srg>.338</TD><TD class=srg>.387</TD><TD class=srg>.725</TD><TD class=srg>8.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1968 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1968.html)</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>159</TD><TD class=sr>593</TD><TD class=sr>144</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>98</TD><TD class=sr>91</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>148</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>.243</TD><TD class=sr>.353</TD><TD class=sr>.450</TD><TD class=sr>.804</TD><TD class=sr>48.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1969 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1969.html)</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>138</TD><TD class=srg>523</TD><TD class=srg>130</TD><TD class=srg>18</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>96</TD><TD class=srg>82</TD><TD class=srg>88</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>125</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>.249</TD><TD class=srg>.365</TD><TD class=srg>.444</TD><TD class=srg>.808</TD><TD class=srg>30.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1970 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1970.html)</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>142</TD><TD class=sr>467</TD><TD class=sr>151</TD><TD class=sr>21</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>43</TD><TD class=sr>111</TD><TD class=sr>113</TD><TD class=sr>90</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>97</TD><TD class=sr>25</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>.323</TD><TD class=sr>.443</TD><TD class=sr>.662</TD><TD class=sr>1.105</TD><TD class=sr>88.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1971 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1971.html)</TD><TD class=srg>25</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>624</TD><TD class=srg>179</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>40</TD><TD class=srg>113</TD><TD class=srg>100</TD><TD class=srg>74</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>127</TD><TD class=srg>17</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>.287</TD><TD class=srg>.365</TD><TD class=srg>.527</TD><TD class=srg>.893</TD><TD class=srg>64.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1972 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1972.html)</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>156</TD><TD class=sr>596</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>99</TD><TD class=sr>89</TD><TD class=sr>70</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>144</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>.272</TD><TD class=sr>.353</TD><TD class=sr>.448</TD><TD class=sr>.801</TD><TD class=sr>45.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1973 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1973.html)</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>620</TD><TD class=srg>193</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>13</TD><TD class=srg>39</TD><TD class=srg>123</TD><TD class=srg>114</TD><TD class=srg>84</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>118</TD><TD class=srg>9</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>.311</TD><TD class=srg>.396</TD><TD class=srg>.594</TD><TD class=srg>.989</TD><TD class=srg>81.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1974 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1974.html)</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>161</TD><TD class=sr>612</TD><TD class=sr>163</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>115</TD><TD class=sr>102</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>122</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>.266</TD><TD class=sr>.349</TD><TD class=sr>.497</TD><TD class=sr>.846</TD><TD class=sr>56.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1975 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1975.html)</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>637</TD><TD class=srg>176</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>108</TD><TD class=srg>109</TD><TD class=srg>81</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>110</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>.276</TD><TD class=srg>.361</TD><TD class=srg>.479</TD><TD class=srg>.840</TD><TD class=srg>52.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1976 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1976.html)</TD><TD class=sr>30</TD><TD class=sr>150</TD><TD class=sr>601</TD><TD class=sr>145</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>87</TD><TD class=sr>81</TD><TD class=sr>61</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>133</TD><TD class=sr>19</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>.241</TD><TD class=sr>.311</TD><TD class=sr>.459</TD><TD class=sr>.771</TD><TD class=sr>27.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1977 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1977.html)</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>148</TD><TD class=srg>583</TD><TD class=srg>157</TD><TD class=srg>30</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>109</TD><TD class=srg>94</TD><TD class=srg>68</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>161</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>.269</TD><TD class=srg>.348</TD><TD class=srg>.503</TD><TD class=srg>.851</TD><TD class=srg>40.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1978 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1978.html)</TD><TD class=sr>32</TD><TD class=sr>148</TD><TD class=sr>587</TD><TD class=sr>171</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>36</TD><TD class=sr>127</TD><TD class=sr>102</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>140</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>.291</TD><TD class=sr>.376</TD><TD class=sr>.549</TD><TD class=sr>.924</TD><TD class=sr>62.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1979 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1979.html)</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>148</TD><TD class=srg>582</TD><TD class=srg>178</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>121</TD><TD class=srg>112</TD><TD class=srg>85</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>140</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>.306</TD><TD class=srg>.393</TD><TD class=srg>.533</TD><TD class=srg>.926</TD><TD class=srg>67.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1980 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1980.html)</TD><TD class=sr>34</TD><TD class=sr>117</TD><TD class=sr>451</TD><TD class=sr>116</TD><TD class=sr>15</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>77</TD><TD class=sr>70</TD><TD class=sr>56</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>115</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>.257</TD><TD class=sr>.337</TD><TD class=sr>.475</TD><TD class=sr>.811</TD><TD class=sr>31.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1981 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1981.html)</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>616</TD><TD class=srg>172</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>121</TD><TD class=srg>90</TD><TD class=srg>94</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>153</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>.279</TD><TD class=srg>.372</TD><TD class=srg>.468</TD><TD class=srg>.840</TD><TD class=srg>46.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1982 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1982.html)</TD><TD class=sr>36</TD><TD class=sr>153</TD><TD class=sr>461</TD><TD class=sr>118</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>75</TD><TD class=sr>82</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>129</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>.256</TD><TD class=sr>.369</TD><TD class=sr>.499</TD><TD class=sr>.868</TD><TD class=sr>37.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1983 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1983.html)</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>140</TD><TD class=srg>426</TD><TD class=srg>105</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>30</TD><TD class=srg>93</TD><TD class=srg>67</TD><TD class=srg>74</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>100</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>.246</TD><TD class=srg>.356</TD><TD class=srg>.500</TD><TD class=srg>.856</TD><TD class=srg>24.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1984 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1984.html)</TD><TD class=sr>38</TD><TD class=sr>118</TD><TD class=sr>333</TD><TD class=sr>63</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>37</TD><TD class=sr>48</TD><TD class=sr>44</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>96</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>.189</TD><TD class=sr>.286</TD><TD class=sr>.339</TD><TD class=sr>.625</TD><TD class=sr>-9.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1985 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1985.html)</TD><TD class=srg>39</TD><TD class=srg>147</TD><TD class=srg>379</TD><TD class=srg>101</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>87</TD><TD class=srg>53</TD><TD class=srg>84</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>99</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>.266</TD><TD class=srg>.401</TD><TD class=srg>.504</TD><TD class=srg>.905</TD><TD class=srg>28.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1986 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1986.html)</TD><TD class=sr>40</TD><TD class=sr>138</TD><TD class=sr>443</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>19</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>58</TD><TD class=sr>64</TD><TD class=sr>63</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>127</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>.242</TD><TD class=sr>.336</TD><TD class=sr>.429</TD><TD class=sr>.765</TD><TD class=sr>5.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1987 Montreal - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_47_1987.html)</TD><TD class=srg>41</TD><TD class=srg>101</TD><TD class=srg>156</TD><TD class=srg>45</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>.288</TD><TD class=srg>.374</TD><TD class=srg>.468</TD><TD class=srg>.842</TD><TD class=srg>7.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1988 Montreal - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_47_1988.html)</TD><TD class=sr>42</TD><TD class=sr>95</TD><TD class=sr>200</TD><TD class=sr>45</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>21</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>43</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>.225</TD><TD class=sr>.302</TD><TD class=sr>.400</TD><TD class=sr>.702</TD><TD class=sr>0.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1989 Cincinnati - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_12_1989.html)</TD><TD class=srg>43</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>.067</TD><TD class=srg>.125</TD><TD class=srg>.067</TD><TD class=srg>.192</TD><TD class=srg>-2.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1990 Cincinnati - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_12_1990.html)</TD><TD class=sr>44</TD><TD class=sr>43</TD><TD class=sr>45</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>12</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>14</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>.200</TD><TD class=sr>.362</TD><TD class=sr>.200</TD><TD class=sr>.562</TD><TD class=sr>-1.4</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2l>Total MLB</TD><TD class=h2r>24 yrs.</TD><TD class=h2r>3161</TD><TD class=h2r>10741</TD><TD class=h2r>2875</TD><TD class=h2r>437</TD><TD class=h2r>79</TD><TD class=h2r>596</TD><TD class=h2r>1951</TD><TD class=h2r>1732</TD><TD class=h2r>1525</TD><TD class=h2r>106</TD><TD class=h2r>100</TD><TD class=h2r>2528</TD><TD class=h2r>215</TD><TD class=h2r>82</TD><TD class=h2r>.268</TD><TD class=h2r>.361</TD><TD class=h2r>.490</TD><TD class=h2r>.851</TD><TD class=h2r>842.8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Eaglesfan27
03-27-2007, 11:30 PM
One thing that is mildly disappointing. Pitch Speed still doesn't seem to have any effect in the game. I traded for Nolan Ryan and he had a vastly underrated velocity, so I went into commish mode and the editor and changing his velocity had no effect on the estimated stats. Only changing movement, stuff, or control changed the estimated season stats.
Swaggs
03-27-2007, 11:30 PM
Reggie Jackson...I'm trying to figure out how he ended up on Oakland after his first year with KC, because there's absolutely no history explaining the roster move. Destiny?
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MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1968.html)</TD><TD class=sr>22</TD><TD class=sr>159</TD><TD class=sr>593</TD><TD class=sr>144</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>98</TD><TD class=sr>91</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>148</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>.243</TD><TD class=sr>.353</TD><TD class=sr>.450</TD><TD class=sr>.804</TD><TD class=sr>48.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1969 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1969.html)</TD><TD class=srg>23</TD><TD class=srg>138</TD><TD class=srg>523</TD><TD class=srg>130</TD><TD class=srg>18</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>96</TD><TD class=srg>82</TD><TD class=srg>88</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>125</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>.249</TD><TD class=srg>.365</TD><TD class=srg>.444</TD><TD class=srg>.808</TD><TD class=srg>30.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1970 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1970.html)</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>142</TD><TD class=sr>467</TD><TD class=sr>151</TD><TD class=sr>21</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>43</TD><TD class=sr>111</TD><TD class=sr>113</TD><TD class=sr>90</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>97</TD><TD class=sr>25</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>.323</TD><TD class=sr>.443</TD><TD class=sr>.662</TD><TD class=sr>1.105</TD><TD class=sr>88.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1971 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1971.html)</TD><TD class=srg>25</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>624</TD><TD class=srg>179</TD><TD class=srg>26</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>40</TD><TD class=srg>113</TD><TD class=srg>100</TD><TD class=srg>74</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>127</TD><TD class=srg>17</TD><TD class=srg>4</TD><TD class=srg>.287</TD><TD class=srg>.365</TD><TD class=srg>.527</TD><TD class=srg>.893</TD><TD class=srg>64.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1972 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1972.html)</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>156</TD><TD class=sr>596</TD><TD class=sr>162</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>24</TD><TD class=sr>99</TD><TD class=sr>89</TD><TD class=sr>70</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>144</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>.272</TD><TD class=sr>.353</TD><TD class=sr>.448</TD><TD class=sr>.801</TD><TD class=sr>45.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1973 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1973.html)</TD><TD class=srg>27</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>620</TD><TD class=srg>193</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>13</TD><TD class=srg>39</TD><TD class=srg>123</TD><TD class=srg>114</TD><TD class=srg>84</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>118</TD><TD class=srg>9</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>.311</TD><TD class=srg>.396</TD><TD class=srg>.594</TD><TD class=srg>.989</TD><TD class=srg>81.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1974 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1974.html)</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>161</TD><TD class=sr>612</TD><TD class=sr>163</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>115</TD><TD class=sr>102</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>13</TD><TD class=sr>122</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>.266</TD><TD class=sr>.349</TD><TD class=sr>.497</TD><TD class=sr>.846</TD><TD class=sr>56.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1975 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1975.html)</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>637</TD><TD class=srg>176</TD><TD class=srg>29</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>108</TD><TD class=srg>109</TD><TD class=srg>81</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>110</TD><TD class=srg>10</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>.276</TD><TD class=srg>.361</TD><TD class=srg>.479</TD><TD class=srg>.840</TD><TD class=srg>52.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1976 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1976.html)</TD><TD class=sr>30</TD><TD class=sr>150</TD><TD class=sr>601</TD><TD class=sr>145</TD><TD class=sr>26</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>31</TD><TD class=sr>87</TD><TD class=sr>81</TD><TD class=sr>61</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>133</TD><TD class=sr>19</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>.241</TD><TD class=sr>.311</TD><TD class=sr>.459</TD><TD class=sr>.771</TD><TD class=sr>27.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1977 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1977.html)</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>148</TD><TD class=srg>583</TD><TD class=srg>157</TD><TD class=srg>30</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>34</TD><TD class=srg>109</TD><TD class=srg>94</TD><TD class=srg>68</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>161</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>.269</TD><TD class=srg>.348</TD><TD class=srg>.503</TD><TD class=srg>.851</TD><TD class=srg>40.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1978 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1978.html)</TD><TD class=sr>32</TD><TD class=sr>148</TD><TD class=sr>587</TD><TD class=sr>171</TD><TD class=sr>29</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>36</TD><TD class=sr>127</TD><TD class=sr>102</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>140</TD><TD class=sr>10</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>.291</TD><TD class=sr>.376</TD><TD class=sr>.549</TD><TD class=sr>.924</TD><TD class=sr>62.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1979 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1979.html)</TD><TD class=srg>33</TD><TD class=srg>148</TD><TD class=srg>582</TD><TD class=srg>178</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>121</TD><TD class=srg>112</TD><TD class=srg>85</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>140</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>.306</TD><TD class=srg>.393</TD><TD class=srg>.533</TD><TD class=srg>.926</TD><TD class=srg>67.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1980 Oakland - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_7_1980.html)</TD><TD class=sr>34</TD><TD class=sr>117</TD><TD class=sr>451</TD><TD class=sr>116</TD><TD class=sr>15</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>27</TD><TD class=sr>77</TD><TD class=sr>70</TD><TD class=sr>56</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>6</TD><TD class=sr>115</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>.257</TD><TD class=sr>.337</TD><TD class=sr>.475</TD><TD class=sr>.811</TD><TD class=sr>31.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1981 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1981.html)</TD><TD class=srg>35</TD><TD class=srg>162</TD><TD class=srg>616</TD><TD class=srg>172</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>121</TD><TD class=srg>90</TD><TD class=srg>94</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>6</TD><TD class=srg>153</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>.279</TD><TD class=srg>.372</TD><TD class=srg>.468</TD><TD class=srg>.840</TD><TD class=srg>46.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1982 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1982.html)</TD><TD class=sr>36</TD><TD class=sr>153</TD><TD class=sr>461</TD><TD class=sr>118</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>33</TD><TD class=sr>78</TD><TD class=sr>75</TD><TD class=sr>82</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>129</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>.256</TD><TD class=sr>.369</TD><TD class=sr>.499</TD><TD class=sr>.868</TD><TD class=sr>37.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1983 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1983.html)</TD><TD class=srg>37</TD><TD class=srg>140</TD><TD class=srg>426</TD><TD class=srg>105</TD><TD class=srg>12</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>30</TD><TD class=srg>93</TD><TD class=srg>67</TD><TD class=srg>74</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>100</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>.246</TD><TD class=srg>.356</TD><TD class=srg>.500</TD><TD class=srg>.856</TD><TD class=srg>24.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1984 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1984.html)</TD><TD class=sr>38</TD><TD class=sr>118</TD><TD class=sr>333</TD><TD class=sr>63</TD><TD class=sr>7</TD><TD class=sr>5</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>37</TD><TD class=sr>48</TD><TD class=sr>44</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>96</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>.189</TD><TD class=sr>.286</TD><TD class=sr>.339</TD><TD class=sr>.625</TD><TD class=sr>-9.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1985 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1985.html)</TD><TD class=srg>39</TD><TD class=srg>147</TD><TD class=srg>379</TD><TD class=srg>101</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>22</TD><TD class=srg>87</TD><TD class=srg>53</TD><TD class=srg>84</TD><TD class=srg>2</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>99</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>.266</TD><TD class=srg>.401</TD><TD class=srg>.504</TD><TD class=srg>.905</TD><TD class=srg>28.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1986 Chicago - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_11_1986.html)</TD><TD class=sr>40</TD><TD class=sr>138</TD><TD class=sr>443</TD><TD class=sr>107</TD><TD class=sr>19</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>20</TD><TD class=sr>58</TD><TD class=sr>64</TD><TD class=sr>63</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>4</TD><TD class=sr>127</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>.242</TD><TD class=sr>.336</TD><TD class=sr>.429</TD><TD class=sr>.765</TD><TD class=sr>5.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1987 Montreal - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_47_1987.html)</TD><TD class=srg>41</TD><TD class=srg>101</TD><TD class=srg>156</TD><TD class=srg>45</TD><TD class=srg>5</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>7</TD><TD class=srg>32</TD><TD class=srg>21</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>31</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>3</TD><TD class=srg>.288</TD><TD class=srg>.374</TD><TD class=srg>.468</TD><TD class=srg>.842</TD><TD class=srg>7.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1988 Montreal - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_47_1988.html)</TD><TD class=sr>42</TD><TD class=sr>95</TD><TD class=sr>200</TD><TD class=sr>45</TD><TD class=sr>11</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>8</TD><TD class=sr>28</TD><TD class=sr>23</TD><TD class=sr>21</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>2</TD><TD class=sr>43</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>.225</TD><TD class=sr>.302</TD><TD class=sr>.400</TD><TD class=sr>.702</TD><TD class=sr>0.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slg>1989 Cincinnati - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_12_1989.html)</TD><TD class=srg>43</TD><TD class=srg>19</TD><TD class=srg>15</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>1</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>8</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>0</TD><TD class=srg>.067</TD><TD class=srg>.125</TD><TD class=srg>.067</TD><TD class=srg>.192</TD><TD class=srg>-2.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=sl>1990 Cincinnati - MLB (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/history/team_year_12_1990.html)</TD><TD class=sr>44</TD><TD class=sr>43</TD><TD class=sr>45</TD><TD class=sr>9</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>3</TD><TD class=sr>12</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>14</TD><TD class=sr>0</TD><TD class=sr>1</TD><TD class=sr>.200</TD><TD class=sr>.362</TD><TD class=sr>.200</TD><TD class=sr>.562</TD><TD class=sr>-1.4</TD></TR><TR class=hsx><TD class=h2l>Total MLB</TD><TD class=h2r>24 yrs.</TD><TD class=h2r>3161</TD><TD class=h2r>10741</TD><TD class=h2r>2875</TD><TD class=h2r>437</TD><TD class=h2r>79</TD><TD class=h2r>596</TD><TD class=h2r>1951</TD><TD class=h2r>1732</TD><TD class=h2r>1525</TD><TD class=h2r>106</TD><TD class=h2r>100</TD><TD class=h2r>2528</TD><TD class=h2r>215</TD><TD class=h2r>82</TD><TD class=h2r>.268</TD><TD class=h2r>.361</TD><TD class=h2r>.490</TD><TD class=h2r>.851</TD><TD class=h2r>842.8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
The A's moved from Kansas City to Oakland that year.
Atocep
03-27-2007, 11:49 PM
One thing that is mildly disappointing. Pitch Speed still doesn't seem to have any effect in the game. I traded for Nolan Ryan and he had a vastly underrated velocity, so I went into commish mode and the editor and changing his velocity had no effect on the estimated stats. Only changing movement, stuff, or control changed the estimated season stats.
From what I've seen velocity in itself doesn't affect anything directly. However, I do think velocity affects the effectiveness of the pitches a pitcher will throw. Check my post on the pitcher that I messed around with giving the knuckleball. I've been meaning to screw around with that more but haven't found the time.
Marc Duffy
03-28-2007, 01:15 AM
But I'm still gunshy from OOTP2006, which I never even got through a full season on. I'm kind of disappointed there's not a discount given to those who purchased OOTP2006 considering it was released only about 9 months ago.
We tried to contact everyone once we announced 2007 with a 20% discount. This ran out and was replaced by a 10% one too. I'm sorry you never got the emails - we did try!
SirFozzie
03-28-2007, 01:36 AM
I just finished entering the team names for a 31 division, 294 team College League Template for OOTP2007. That's right, all 293 Teams and 1 made up team to balance things out.
If I can found someplace to host the template (probably a VERY huge file), I will put up the link, but I'm doing my best to add accurate Cities/Colors/Uniforms, etcetera.
yabanci
03-28-2007, 05:32 AM
As far as I can tell, you have to:
1. go game settings>league setup>edit ballparks
2. lick the second tab (pictures & coordinates)
3. either type or cut & paste the exact file name for each ballpark, both day and night versions, if available.
4. repeat over and over until you go through all the teams.
Then you have the mess of lining up the player coordinates.
Then, if you want ballparks to affect the game other than just being an extra graphic, you have to go back to the "park profile" tab and manually input for each team the ballpark type, surface, capacity, ballpark factors, outfield wall distances, and wall heights.
Then shave the long white beard you grew while doing all of this busywork.
I asked earlier in the thread how people manage this mess, but nobody replied. Maybe there's an easier way. It'd be nice to know.
Just to clarify, in step two you want to *click* the second tab. Licking it would be useless and might cause problems with your monitor or girlfriend/wife.
Ksyrup
03-28-2007, 07:12 AM
The A's moved from Kansas City to Oakland that year.
And I moved to the State of Idiocy yesterday.
Just to clarify, in step two you want to *click* the second tab. Licking it would be useless and might cause problems with your monitor or girlfriend/wife.
NOW you tell me!
molson
03-28-2007, 08:14 AM
NOW you tell me!
Lesson learned Bee.
MizzouRah
03-28-2007, 09:12 AM
I'm going to start messing with a historical sim tonight when I get home. There is a historical template I think I'm going to use. Can't wait to see the 1982 Cardinals in action!
Ksyrup
03-28-2007, 10:03 AM
I'm trying to understand the requirements and limitations of setting up a league. In the manual, it says that the number of subleagues cannot be changed after the game starts. Does this mean that I can't create two single, independent leagues and combine them at some point in the future?
Ksyrup
03-28-2007, 10:30 AM
BTW, I'm pretty sure this wasn't posted here yesterday. I hope Markus is able to work through these issues OK.
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I'd like to fill you in on a personal issue today... the beta team is already aware of it, but I thought it would make sense somewhat to inform you as well because we are a community.
I have been dealing with severe stress-related health issues for about 1 1/2 years now, and it usually is worse shortly before/after the game is released. Unfortunately, medication doesn't do it anymore, so I will need to attend some sort of therapy to get better.
What does this mean for OOTP? First, do not worry, I won't be locked away http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/images/smilies/tongue.gif I will work on patches and updates just like always, but probably not 16 hours per day http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/images/smilies/wink.gif The first patch is already in development, it will improve the interface (no more SISA default scout, and it remembers the preferred view on the lineups/pitching screen), fix bugs and facegen related issues. I guess we'll have it done early next week! Second, I will not be on the boards as often as I used to in the past few weeks. Third, the Cato-OOTP 2007 conversion will have to wait for a few weeks, but since I will code it so you can import your leagues history after importing it into 2007 itself, there should be no problem to convert your online league right now http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/images/smilies/wink.gif
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twothree
03-28-2007, 10:45 AM
I'm trying to understand the requirements and limitations of setting up a league. In the manual, it says that the number of subleagues cannot be changed after the game starts. Does this mean that I can't create two single, independent leagues and combine them at some point in the future?
A subleague is a group of teams within a league. A subleague is not an independent league or minor league. Think of a subleague as a division of the league into two groupings of teams with the winner of each group playing in the championship series. Each subleague can have the DH rule turned on or off.
Now to combine your two independent leagues in the future, you would have to create a new league (with one or two subleagues, your choice) and then move your teams from your two old independent leagues into your newly created league. And, then delete the two old independent leagues.
Edit: You can change the number of subleagues in a league during the offseason and preseason. Section 25.4.6 of the manual.
Ryche
03-28-2007, 01:30 PM
We tried to contact everyone once we announced 2007 with a 20% discount. This ran out and was replaced by a 10% one too. I'm sorry you never got the emails - we did try!
It's likely I missed it, I pretty much abandoned the yahoo email it would have gone to because it's been spam flooded.
No worries, I'll likely be getting this soon. Just have to figure out how (or if) I tell the wife I'm buying another game. Might just buy it and let her assume it's the old version ;)
moriarty
03-28-2007, 02:42 PM
BTW, I'm pretty sure this wasn't posted here yesterday. I hope Markus is able to work through these issues OK.
Jesus, that sounds really .... bad. I hope he's alright.
Young Drachma
03-28-2007, 02:55 PM
I'm pleased with the ability this version to keep great players out of the lower independent leagues, by taking well below their market value. That was a huge problem in 2006 and it seems to be gone or at least, not as big a problem now than it was before.
Ksyrup
03-28-2007, 03:01 PM
Now to combine your two independent leagues in the future, you would have to create a new league (with one or two subleagues, your choice) and then move your teams from your two old independent leauges into your newly created league. And, then delete the two old independent leauges.
That's what I was thinking. Thanks.
LionsFan10
03-28-2007, 03:58 PM
I don't want to be a pain in the ass, but is it possible for one of our more knowledgeable members to post a short list of what years certain changes were made in the MLB that OOTP doesn't automatically do for you? Like free agency for instance ....
I just purchased the game based on this thread alone, but I don't quite know when these changes were made and I see that guys like Ksyrup seems to know exactly when these changes were made. Just a simple list like "1970 - Free Agency" and so on down the list? I would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks in advance.
Ksyrup
03-28-2007, 04:42 PM
Just off the top of my head - and people are free to add to this or change it - arbitration started in 1973, Free agency came in around 1976, revenue sharing in 2002. The ones I'm not sure about are waivers, 40-man rosters, Rule 5 draft, minor league free agency...there are probably a few others I'm missing. I usually add waivers and Rule 5 once FA starts, but I'm sure that's not right.
LionsFan10
03-28-2007, 04:56 PM
Just off the top of my head - and people are free to add to this or change it - arbitration started in 1973, Free agency came in around 1976, revenue sharing in 2002. The ones I'm not sure about are waivers, 40-man rosters, Rule 5 draft, minor league free agency...there are probably a few others I'm missing. I usually add waivers and Rule 5 once FA starts, but I'm sure that's not right.
Thanks man, you've been a real help with this game so far. I appreciate it.
Atocep
03-28-2007, 05:02 PM
First MLB draft was in 1921
Rule 5 draft goes back to at least 1933
Dekanth
03-28-2007, 05:16 PM
I have read through most, but not all of this thread, so forgive me if I missed it anywhere, but has anybody actually played this game yet, or are you all just simming historical stuff?
I would love to know how it is to play a fictional league. How is the player development? How are the drafts? How is the AI when it comes to lineups, rotations, trading, drafting, etc?
I appreciate how this game appeals to historical simmers, but I never do that, so I am curious how it fares as a true text sim game. ;)
Not to be a pain in the ass, but is anybody actually playing this game as a GM/manager with a non-historical replay? I would really love to hear how that aspect of the game is working before I think about purchasing. There is not even much talk about this on the OOTP forums. Very strange. :confused:
SirFozzie
03-28-2007, 05:20 PM
Rule 5 Draft started in 1950 (Roberto Clemente was a Rule 5 Selection)
Atocep
03-28-2007, 05:24 PM
Rule 5 Draft started in 1950 (Roberto Clemente was a Rule 5 Selection)
There's records of rule 5 picks going back further than that. I found Red Sox players drafed in the rule 5 draft dating back to 1933. Couldn't find anything earlier than that, but it could very well go back even further.
molson
03-28-2007, 05:31 PM
Not to be a pain in the ass, but is anybody actually playing this game as a GM/manager with a non-historical replay? I would really love to hear how that aspect of the game is working before I think about purchasing. There is not even much talk about this on the OOTP forums. Very strange. :confused:
I'm surprised by that to, but I think that replaying may be the best way to test the engine and see how the multitude of options actually effects game play.
I've strarted a solo ficitional league. I'm managing every game, so I haven't gotten very far, but the test leagues I ran all looked good. The only big complaint I've read on the OOTP forums involves the scouting system. So I've shut that off, and am using a 1-5 scale, with leaves room for plenty of mystery as to "real ratings", and makes me rely on performance.
I'm doing an old school 1875 small fictional league, 4 divisions, 16 teams, no financials, no free agency, no scouts, no coaching, no 40-man roster, no rule V, 1 level of minors, and an exclusive feeder league. I've expanded by two teams in testing and it worked great.
I really like this format because good teams are good for a while, and then suddenly collapse when their big star retires. I think it's easier to be immersed and have a sense of your league.
Anyway, I've been very impressed thus far. Immersion factor is great - better than I can remember in any other sim (I don't play FM).
Oilers9911
03-28-2007, 05:44 PM
In a historical sim, is there anyway to have all the rookies automatically placed in the free agent pool and just have teams sign them? That is pretty much what happened before the draft was instituted. If that ability is in the game that would be just an incredible addition.
MizzouRah
03-28-2007, 07:25 PM
I also have an MLB style "v6.51" solo career I've been playing games in. Managers and scouts are turned off, ratings are 1-20 accross the board, and I think I have the draft at 20 rounds, 45 rounds generated.
PBP is definitly more immersive this year and once I figure out how to tweak the speed at which the pbp scrolls I'll be happy for now. :)
KWhit
03-28-2007, 09:01 PM
Not to be a pain in the ass, but is anybody actually playing this game as a GM/manager with a non-historical replay?
Yes. I'm loving it. I have no desire to play with the historical stuff. I'm playing a totally fictional 16 team league and so far I'm having a great time. I haven't gotten too far into it yet (though I did play about 10 years during my 5 day preview).
So far, I think this is by far the best OOTP I've ever played.
Ksyrup
03-28-2007, 09:41 PM
I'm working on a combo historical/fictional multi-league universe right now, doing some research and such to determine how to setup the leagues. I hope it comes out the way I envision it.
JPhillips
03-28-2007, 10:06 PM
I've now gone through five drafts with two separate fictional leagues and I have yet to see a single comp pick. In one season I lost the saves leader, the Batting Title winner, and a four star first baseman just to test comp picks and received none even though all three were signed.
So, am I doing something wrong? I have comp picks checks in financials, so that isn't it. Has anyone else seen any comp picks?
gordyhulten
03-28-2007, 10:07 PM
Not to be a pain in the ass, but is anybody actually playing this game as a GM/manager with a non-historical replay? I would really love to hear how that aspect of the game is working before I think about purchasing. There is not even much talk about this on the OOTP forums. Very strange. :confused:
Longtime lurker, first time poster. Great board you have here.
I've spent the past few days creating a fictional universe I'm going to use for a dynasty. I've been renaming things, adding logos and fast-simming to test settings. I'm going to let 70 years run and then take over a team, and hopefully I can start playing tomorrow.
But just the testing, tweaking and creating has sucked me in. And I gave up on OOTP2006 before I finished setting up my first league.
This is a big improvement - it's actually fun again.
twothree
03-28-2007, 10:16 PM
In a historical sim, is there anyway to have all the rookies automatically placed in the free agent pool and just have teams sign them? That is pretty much what happened before the draft was instituted. If that ability is in the game that would be just an incredible addition.
If you disable the first year player draft and have automatically import historical rookies turned on, then the rookies get assigned to the same team they played for in real life.
If you want all the historical rookies to go to the free agent pool, then you would have to turn off automatically import historical rookies (and probably turn off the first year player draft). And, then you would have to manually import the historical rookies into the free agent pool (and according to the manual, even if you have free agency turned off players without contracts will appear in the free agency pool.)
To do this you would have to go to the free agents screen and click import historical player for each player you want to put in the free agent pool. You have to know the player's unique ID used in the historical database. So, it would take a little time, but eventually for whatever database you use someone could put together a list of all the player IDs you would need to import for whatever pre-draft year you are about to sim.
gordyhulten
03-28-2007, 10:17 PM
I've now gone through five drafts with two separate fictional leagues and I have yet to see a single comp pick. In one season I lost the saves leader, the Batting Title winner, and a four star first baseman just to test comp picks and received none even though all three were signed.
So, am I doing something wrong? I have comp picks checks in financials, so that isn't it. Has anyone else seen any comp picks?
I think they might be broken. I'm pretty sure it's been logged (http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=143740&highlight=compensation). I don't know if a fix is included in the first patch.
I wish it was working, too.
twothree
03-28-2007, 10:22 PM
I've now gone through five drafts with two separate fictional leagues and I have yet to see a single comp pick. In one season I lost the saves leader, the Batting Title winner, and a four star first baseman just to test comp picks and received none even though all three were signed.
So, am I doing something wrong? I have comp picks checks in financials, so that isn't it. Has anyone else seen any comp picks?
What free agent type were the players? Type A? Type B? or No compensation? You can see what type a player is on the player's Contract and Status page on the bottom right under Roster Status Information. It should be right after salary arbitration status.
JPhillips
03-28-2007, 10:30 PM
I didn't look as I didn't realize it was on the player card. I can't imagine, though, that the saves leader and batting champ weren't Type A.
DaddyTorgo
03-28-2007, 10:51 PM
i've gotten compensatory picks. Plenty of them as a matter of fact. So they can't be that broken.
Swaggs
03-28-2007, 10:59 PM
Not to be a pain in the ass, but is anybody actually playing this game as a GM/manager with a non-historical replay? I would really love to hear how that aspect of the game is working before I think about purchasing. There is not even much talk about this on the OOTP forums. Very strange. :confused:
I have been playing fictional and really enjoying it. I set up a fictinal 12-team league in 1983 and easily expanded it (the game has a setup for expansion where you can just pick the city and team names and the expansion draft rules and you are set) to a 16-team league in like 1988. I quick simmed for about 25 years and took over a team in 2009 and have been loving it.
I didn't play last season's version, so some of this may have been in it, but I really love the ability to setup other league's in the world that you can scout from and I enjoy managing an entire franchise (hiring/firing minor league staffs, docs, and scouts). I also like that when propsects bust, it at least gives a scouting message saying the scout misjudged them or that they lost their confidence, etc. Plus, the scouting reports are somewhat fluid, so fluctuations seem a little more justified when current and potential ratings change. The historical reports are also a very welcome change from past versions that I have played.
Swaggs
03-28-2007, 11:01 PM
One thing I would add for fictional simmers like myself is to sim a few seasons to get a feel for things before you create a GM and take over a franchise. There is a pretty big learning curve, but I didn't find it too burdensome, since things like the face gens, designing the uniforms, and being able to access so many reports made it easy for me to get interested and familiar with the league.
tanglewood
03-29-2007, 04:11 AM
Just in the middle of a historical blast through to to 2006 before I take over a team, but had to stop when I noticed just how much Jimmie Foxx is crazy tearing up the league. Beast doesn't come close to describing it. I'm pretty sure that his 1930 season will never be matched for the rest of fictional baseball history.
Career Batting Stats
Year/Team/League Age G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS VORP
1925 Philadelphia - ML 17 11 37 12 2 0 2 9 5 2 0 0 2 0 0 .324 .359 .541 .900 3.0
1926 Philadelphia - ML 18 140 499 167 21 2 14 93 107 53 1 5 22 6 2 .335 .396 .469 .865 26.9
1927 Philadelphia - ML 19 151 618 236 31 10 27 121 142 82 4 4 17 13 7 .382 .455 .595 1.050 91.2
1928 Philadelphia - ML 20 150 625 257 39 7 49 170 140 85 0 6 24 3 11 .411 .478 .731 1.209 128.5
1929 Philadelphia - ML 21 151 601 225 28 19 53 172 161 97 1 2 21 10 0 .374 .461 .749 1.210 120.6
1930 Philadelphia - ML 22 149 580 260 40 11 55 177 172 121 1 6 15 11 1 .448 .540 .840 1.379 180.4
1931 Philadelphia - ML 23 150 573 241 31 8 62 162 154 113 0 6 26 9 4 .421 .512 .827 1.339 158.8
1932 Philadelphia - ML 24 151 573 234 38 6 49 151 149 110 1 5 22 9 3 .408 .501 .752 1.253 139.6
1933 Philadelphia - ML 25 151 567 205 29 8 40 120 123 107 3 5 59 11 3 .362 .462 .653 1.114 107.4
1934 Philadelphia - ML 26 148 545 192 23 6 42 139 141 134 0 6 89 8 2 .352 .476 .648 1.124 110.0
1935 Philadelphia - ML 27 149 567 206 29 7 44 129 154 123 2 5 78 8 2 .363 .475 .672 1.147 116.1
Total ML 11 yrs. 1501 5785 2235 311 84 437 1443 1448 1027 13 50 375 88 35 .386 .476 .696 1.172 1182.5
This is with recalc off, FYI.
Ben E Lou
03-29-2007, 04:53 AM
Dekanth, I've been working on tweaking settings to get stats where I want in a fictional league. Things are very close to where I want them now, and if all goes well in today's 100-year test (just started it up), I should be able to update the settings this evening. Here's the first draft (which people seem to be finding to work quite well):
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=142738
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 07:00 AM
Thanks man, you've been a real help with this game so far. I appreciate it.
One thing to note is the timing for being able to change some/most of these rules. This game isn't Maximum Football customizable. For things like FA and most of the roster rules, you can only change those settings at some point around or after spring training (not sure exactly when the button turns from being grayed out to active). So, for instance, if you wanted free agency for the 1975-76 offseason, you can't just wait until after the 1975 WS to check the FA button. If you do, you'll find the buttons grayed out and you won't be able to add FA until the next spring. So you'd want to add it in the spring of 1975, maybe as the season starts, so that it will be activated during the next offseason when contracts start to expire.
Drake
03-29-2007, 07:52 AM
Bah. I just lost my first career due to a FaceGen database corruption (related to the windows shutdown error I mentioned above). Apparently, the last time I saved, it didn't take completely before the shutdown.
Yes, I created a backup, but that was a couple of seasons earlier, so it isn't completely lost, but I won the world series for the first (and second) time in the intervening seasons.
Drake
03-29-2007, 07:53 AM
dola...
Given that it took me twelve years to win the first WS, this might not be a bug. It might just mean that the game hates me. :)
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 08:07 AM
There's an article in the "weird news" today about the strange names Cuban baseball players have. Among the weird American names brought up was Calvin Coolidge Julius Caesar Tuskahoma McLish. He had a rather long career in the MLB from 1944 to 1964, mainly as a reliever but a few as a starter pitching for 7 different teams. He apparently went by Cal. I'll have to look him up in my latest sim to see how he did and whether it imported his entire name. That was a new one for me.
JonInMiddleGA
03-29-2007, 08:17 AM
There's an article in the "weird news" today about the strange names Cuban baseball players have. Among the weird American names brought up was Calvin Coolidge Julius Caesar Tuskahoma McLish.
Although I didn't know the trivia about his name, for some odd reason I remember him as a pitching coach, which would have been with the Expos in the early 70s. Considering that stage of his career ended when I was 8 years old, I have no clue why he stuck in my mind at that early age.
http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/M/McLish_Cal.stm
"There were eight kids in my family, and I was the only one my father was permitted to name, so I guess he figured he'd make up for the situation."
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 08:18 AM
For you guys who play fictional leagues, what do you do about parks? Is the game generated with neutral parks, and do you leave them or change them? If you change them, do you go with the option to create random park settings for each park? Does the game do a decent job of not allowing the league to get out of balance because of the park factors, or is it truly random and something I'd need to edit if I see that all parks have high HR factors, for example?
For you guys who play fictional leagues, what do you do about parks? Is the game generated with neutral parks, and do you leave them or change them? If you change them, do you go with the option to create random park settings for each park? Does the game do a decent job of not allowing the league to get out of balance because of the park factors, or is it truly random and something I'd need to edit if I see that all parks have high HR factors, for example?
What I do is to use fictional pictures and then assign real parks to the teams. I then edit my fictional parks to use the real park data that I assigned each team.
-Cork
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 08:31 AM
Where can I find the real park data to manually edit the fictional parks? I assume when I have been doing my historical sims that the game automatically imports all of that, so I've never bothered looking at it. But it occurred to me that in a fictional sim, if I want some variety, I need to do something, but also need to be wary of not screwing up the balance of the league's stats.
korme
03-29-2007, 11:05 AM
Sorry guys, didn't follow much on OOTP2007 and now I'm trying to play catchup as I d/l the game and try for the life of me to figure out what kind of universe to start with. Great problem to have. :)
One question - I know this wasn't in last year's version, but for historical replays, do franchises automatically move or change team names or do you still do that manually? e.g. Chicago Orphans to Chicago Cubs, Brooklyn Dodgers to LA Dodgers..
Swaggs
03-29-2007, 11:07 AM
Shorty, you gotta go with the JBL. It's in there. :)
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 11:08 AM
League structure and team names/moves happen automatically.
korme
03-29-2007, 11:47 AM
League structure and team names/moves happen automatically.
Oh thats just too easy! I can't believe that. I did a historical sim in OOTP 2006 and took to the task of reviewing MLB history to accurately get every single transition/change correct. Now it seems with the simplicity of this year's version, how in pluperfect hell could I pass up starting off my league with a historical sim???
And with the option to add leagues at any point, oh god. I can't get my hands on this fast enough.
KSyrup, Q for you, have you been playing with all levels of MLB on? AAA, AA, A, Rookie, etc?
Yellow5
03-29-2007, 11:53 AM
Where can I find the real park data to manually edit the fictional parks?
hxxp://ootpmodsquad.com/mods/stadium/Gambo2007StadiumChart.zip
Pumpy Tudors
03-29-2007, 11:53 AM
It's difficult, but I'm waiting for the patch. I'll be in New Orleans for most of next week, so I won't really get any playing time with this game until after Easter. I'm very, very excited about getting my fictional universe going, though.
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 11:57 AM
Oh thats just too easy! I can't believe that. I did a historical sim in OOTP 2006 and took to the task of reviewing MLB history to accurately get every single transition/change correct. Now it seems with the simplicity of this year's version, how in pluperfect hell could I pass up starting off my league with a historical sim???
And with the option to add leagues at any point, oh god. I can't get my hands on this fast enough.
KSyrup, Q for you, have you been playing with all levels of MLB on? AAA, AA, A, Rookie, etc?
I have done a sim with 3 levels of minors using ghost players to fill in the gaps, and I've also done one with a template that suggested only AAA.
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 11:57 AM
hxxp://ootpmodsquad.com/mods/stadium/Gambo2007StadiumChart.zip
Thanks!
korme
03-29-2007, 12:12 PM
I have done a sim with 3 levels of minors using ghost players to fill in the gaps, and I've also done one with a template that suggested only AAA.
Which would you recommend?
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 12:18 PM
I didn't notice any major issues either way, but honestly, all I've been doing is simming history and looking through it, not really getting into the substance of the game yet, so I can't really recommend one over the other.
For you fictional players, there's a thread over at OOTP about some possible development issues for players coming out of feeder leagues. One of the guys has a good handle on it and is going to recommend some changes to Markus. I've been toying with the idea of using a feeder league instead of just having players show up in the draft pool, but the complexities it adds concerning the number of feeder teams you need to properly fill out a draft, keeping those in check if you expand your league, plus any other indirect feeders into your league like independent major and minor leagues, has me worried about the balance of talent in a league.
We may be sacrificing quality of results for realism with all of these league setups. I want to create something substantial, but I'm afraid it will be a waste. Someone over at OOTP has confirmed that you basically can't set up the NCAA system as a feeder league for MLB and expect to keep the talent levels where they should be. I'm really not sure how to proceed.
molson
03-29-2007, 12:47 PM
It seems like the game isn’t re-calculating talent distribution when you add a feeder league. Feeder leagues work if you use the formula recommended by the manual in terms of number of teams, but if you have too many or too few feeder league teams, there will be too many or not enough good players. Thus, if you add a full feeder league after you started, you’ll be flooded with All-star players better than the ones you have.
It got me thinking – is there any way to test what effects a major change in your league might have? There doesn’t seem to be a “save as” option, so I can’t make a copy of league so I can screw with it without destroying it. Or can I?
MizzouRah
03-29-2007, 12:52 PM
I think you need a bachelors degree in ootp this year. :D
I'm really wanting to start in 1901 and sim through the years to take over in 2007 at some point, but is there any real guide that shows all the years things happened in baseball? Like FA, amateur draft, rule 5, etc..? It's pretty easy to set it up initially with a historical template, but from there, I'm lost.
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 01:03 PM
Over the past couple of pages we've hit on some of the important dates when things changed. You could probably google it to get a consensus on when certain things happened.
MizzouRah
03-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Over the past couple of pages we've hit on some of the important dates when things changed. You could probably google it to get a consensus on when certain things happened.
I want a nice spreadsheet PM'd to me by COB today.
Thanks!
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 01:13 PM
I've got your cob right here, buddy!
MizzouRah
03-29-2007, 01:18 PM
I've got your cob right here, buddy!
Ty
LionsFan10
03-29-2007, 01:19 PM
I think you need a bachelors degree in ootp this year. :D
I'm really wanting to start in 1901 and sim through the years to take over in 2007 at some point, but is there any real guide that shows all the years things happened in baseball? Like FA, amateur draft, rule 5, etc..? It's pretty easy to set it up initially with a historical template, but from there, I'm lost.
Go back a couple pages, I asked this exact same question and got a couple of responses. The only one we couldn't come up with a clear answer for was the Rule 5 draft, otherwise I believe the list is as follows ...
First Amateur Draft - 1965
Arbitration - 1973
Free Agency - 1976
Revenue Sharing - 2002
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 01:27 PM
However, as far as the draft goes, that date is largely irrelevant depending on how you want to play your historical sim. Either you want to place all players on the correct teams, in which case you'll not want to use the draft until 2007, or you want the players to end up on random teams as they are imported into the game, in which case I don't think you have any option but to have them imported into the draft pool, and you'll need to have a draft beginning in year 1 of your sim. I think the only other option, and I'm not sure how this would work, would be to choose neither of those options and manually import the rookies, one by one each year, which would make them free agents, until 1965, at which point you could put them into the draft. I think. But that's an awful lot of work just to conform to when the draft was implemented.
korme
03-29-2007, 01:32 PM
Rule V - 1933
LionsFan10
03-29-2007, 02:27 PM
However, as far as the draft goes, that date is largely irrelevant depending on how you want to play your historical sim. Either you want to place all players on the correct teams, in which case you'll not want to use the draft until 2007, or you want the players to end up on random teams as they are imported into the game, in which case I don't think you have any option but to have them imported into the draft pool, and you'll need to have a draft beginning in year 1 of your sim. I think the only other option, and I'm not sure how this would work, would be to choose neither of those options and manually import the rookies, one by one each year, which would make them free agents, until 1965, at which point you could put them into the draft. I think. But that's an awful lot of work just to conform to when the draft was implemented.
Well, I guess what I had planned on doing was having players go to their designated teams until the first draft and then from there, make it sort of a revisionists history, with players getting drafted from that point forward. Unless that can't be done for some reason? But as many options are in this game, I'm assuming that would work just fine.
Ksyrup
03-29-2007, 02:34 PM
No, you can definitely do that, but I guess the thought never occurred to me. Those players went through a draft and ended up where they did IRL, just like the players prior to the draft were signed by the organizations that signed them and that's how they ended up where they were IRL. So in that respect, I don't see the relevance of the 1965 draft date.
But obviously, it's your game, so don't mistake my preferences for some sort of limitation on what the game can do. You can add the draft at any point.
DanGarion
03-29-2007, 03:14 PM
I saw this hint...
"1927, 1939, 1961, or 1998 New York Yankees . . . Who was the best? Import them in the league structure editor (league setup) and see!"
Anyone figure out hwo to do this yet? I'm trying to import some teams from specific years and I can't figure out how exactly to do it...
PadresFan104
03-29-2007, 03:27 PM
I also see this "padresfan user mod site" has what appear to be cap, logo, jersey images (http://web.mac.com/sixwilsons/iWeb/OOTPMods/FaceGen.html), but they don't give you a readme or other instructions for what to do with them. that's the most bizarre site. They have all this stuff on there but they don't tell you what to do with it.
I added an "Installation Help" page to my site today. Most downloads that have been submitted already have ReadMe files included, but this page should help for those that don't.
www.padresfanmods.net
SirFozzie
03-29-2007, 03:32 PM
BTW, Padres: I'll try to find another place to host that College Template, but I may have to re-work it (having to retype 293 College Names and Nicknames? Oi!) cause you cannot associate a created college league as a feeder to a professional league if it was not created as such :/
twothree
03-29-2007, 03:36 PM
I saw this hint...
"1927, 1939, 1961, or 1998 New York Yankees . . . Who was the best? Import them in the league structure editor (league setup) and see!"
Anyone figure out hwo to do this yet? I'm trying to import some teams from specific years and I can't figure out how exactly to do it...
I don't think you can add a historical team when first creating a league, however just do this...
Start a new game. Set up a fictional league with everything how you want it (except for the historical teams just use whatever city and team name is randomly selected). You would probably want to turn off the inaugural fantasy draft, as it would be a waste of time. Start the game. Add the first manager.
Now go to the game setup page and select league setup. Select edit league stucture. Delete all the teams. Select import historical team under the division you want to import them into. Make sure to select the Master.csv file for the database you want to use when asked. Enter a year. Hit refresh list and then select a team.
Also, you might want to goto the free agent pool and delete any players in it. And possibly import any historical players into it, if you want.
twothree
03-29-2007, 03:53 PM
Almost forgot, don't forget to select the generate schedule button at the bottom of the edit league structure page.
And if you want to delete all the free agents make sure you have a manager who is a commissioner selected.
DanGarion
03-29-2007, 04:06 PM
I don't think you can add a historical team when first creating a league, however just do this...
Start a new game. Set up a fictional league with everything how you want it (except for the historical teams just use whatever city and team name is randomly selected). You would probably want to turn off the inaugural fantasy draft, as it would be a waste of time. Start the game. Add the first manager.
Now go to the game setup page and select league setup. Select edit league stucture. Delete all the teams. Select import historical team under the division you want to import them into. Make sure to select the Master.csv file for the database you want to use when asked. Enter a year. Hit refresh list and then select a team.
Also, you might want to goto the free agent pool and delete any players in it. And possibly import any historical players into it, if you want.
Yeah I sort of figured it out. Of course there seems like there should be a delete players option... Or something like that. I don't want fictional FAs in my pool, and it seems a bit of work to remove them by hand.
MrBigglesworth
03-29-2007, 04:18 PM
I downloaded the demo, double-click the application...and nothing happens. Well, the hour-glass thing turns a couple of times, then disappears. I checked the tech support forum, and the fix in the 'common problems' was something with the DEP settings, but my setting was as it should have been. My computer is between the recommended and minimal specifications.
What gives?
billethius
03-29-2007, 04:28 PM
I downloaded the demo, double-click the application...and nothing happens. Well, the hour-glass thing turns a couple of times, then disappears. I checked the tech support forum, and the fix in the 'common problems' was something with the DEP settings, but my setting was as it should have been. My computer is between the recommended and minimal specifications.
What gives?
Right-click on it and run it as administrator the first time. You won't need to after that.
twothree
03-29-2007, 04:31 PM
Yeah I sort of figured it out. Of course there seems like there should be a delete players option... Or something like that. I don't want fictional FAs in my pool, and it seems a bit of work to remove them by hand.
It is not that much work. :) Select a manager that is also a commissioner. Goto the free agent screen. The button "delete all free agents" is on the bottom, right next to the report button. Just select the button sometime after you delete all the old teams, since deleting a team dumps the players into the free agent pool.
MrBigglesworth
03-29-2007, 04:40 PM
Right-click on it and run it as administrator the first time. You won't need to after that.
Hmmm...I don't have an administrator set up on this computer I don't think. (I don't know a lot about that, but when I select 'Run as...' I don't have any options other than my current logged on name)
twothree
03-29-2007, 04:43 PM
Hmmm...I don't have an administrator set up on this computer I don't think. (I don't know a lot about that, but when I select 'Run as...' I don't have any options other than my current logged on name)
What operating system are you using?
MrBigglesworth
03-29-2007, 04:45 PM
What operating system are you using?
XP
PadresFan104
03-29-2007, 05:02 PM
BTW, Padres: I'll try to find another place to host that College Template, but I may have to re-work it (having to retype 293 College Names and Nicknames? Oi!) cause you cannot associate a created college league as a feeder to a professional league if it was not created as such :/
Yeah, I saw that. We should probably wait until you re-work it or we'll be getting all sorts of support questions...
twothree
03-29-2007, 06:19 PM
I downloaded the demo, double-click the application...and nothing happens. Well, the hour-glass thing turns a couple of times, then disappears. I checked the tech support forum, and the fix in the 'common problems' was something with the DEP settings, but my setting was as it should have been. My computer is between the recommended and minimal specifications.
What gives?
Might try turning off any firewall or virus scanner that is on. Also if that does not work, you could try reinstalling making sure that any active virus scanner is turned off.
MizzouRah
03-30-2007, 12:52 PM
Thanks guys!
I think I'm going to have the draft run November 1st to add the players as they came into the league instead of a year before. I want all the historical players, I just want an alternate universe of which team they end up on, making it my own universe, but with real players and I'll take over a team once 2007 gets here - I can't wait to stop each year and look at stuff along the way like most of you are doing now.
The last question I have is: the game defaults to a 5 round draft in a historical league, is this correct? If now, what should I use to get the real players ONLY?
Thanks!
George
03-30-2007, 01:55 PM
I downloaded the demo, double-click the application...and nothing happens. Well, the hour-glass thing turns a couple of times, then disappears. I checked the tech support forum, and the fix in the 'common problems' was something with the DEP settings, but my setting was as it should have been. My computer is between the recommended and minimal specifications.
What gives?
It might be your video card.
The same thing happened to me. I have and older (ancient) video card, and I had to update the drivers. Once I did that, the game worked fine.
George
03-30-2007, 01:56 PM
Dola...
Here's a thread that may help.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=142882
Galaril
03-30-2007, 03:49 PM
I didn't notice any major issues either way, but honestly, all I've been doing is simming history and looking through it, not really getting into the substance of the game yet, so I can't really recommend one over the other.
For you fictional players, there's a thread over at OOTP about some possible development issues for players coming out of feeder leagues. One of the guys has a good handle on it and is going to recommend some changes to Markus. I've been toying with the idea of using a feeder league instead of just having players show up in the draft pool, but the complexities it adds concerning the number of feeder teams you need to properly fill out a draft, keeping those in check if you expand your league, plus any other indirect feeders into your league like independent major and minor leagues, has me worried about the balance of talent in a league.
We may be sacrificing quality of results for realism with all of these league setups. I want to create something substantial, but I'm afraid it will be a waste. Someone over at OOTP has confirmed that you basically can't set up the NCAA system as a feeder league for MLB and expect to keep the talent levels where they should be. I'm really not sure how to proceed.
Is it true that the NCAA can't be mimic in the game as a feeder league with good talent levels?
Ben E Lou
03-30-2007, 03:52 PM
That's simply inaccurate. It can be done, but you have to change the creation modifiers for your feeder leagues so they don't have so much talent.
SirFozzie
03-30-2007, 03:55 PM
Hmm..that'll be something that I have to look at (I'm creating a college feeder league for a template for ootp07)
Ksyrup
03-30-2007, 07:24 PM
That's simply inaccurate. It can be done, but you have to change the creation modifiers for your feeder leagues so they don't have so much talent.
I tend to draw the line at "need an advanced degree in mathematics" in order to get something to work as my definition of whether a feature works. Unlike setting up a fictional or historical league, where the financial and historical modifiers and player creation functions works reasonably well without much tweaking at all, the feeder league set up takes hours of work and many test leagues to get right.
I'd like to have a large league set up, but it's like there's too many moving parts for it all to fit together properly. I'd rather focus on playing the game, and if others want to go through the work to figure this all out, I'll gladly reconsider using this set up in the future.
MizzouRah
03-30-2007, 08:27 PM
I finally have all my historical settings and all of Gambo's great historical player pics loaded. I am going to sit here for hours tonight and just go through the history of baseball. I have it setup to do a draft so players will not be drafted on their real life teams, unless they get lucky. :)
Markus,
Wow, what a difference 1 year makes! So far, I'm engrossed in all this great historical stuff. Really looks like you worked your ass off and for that I say thank you!
Back to 1903!
PSUColonel
03-30-2007, 10:22 PM
I didn't notice any major issues either way, but honestly, all I've been doing is simming history and looking through it, not really getting into the substance of the game yet, so I can't really recommend one over the other.
For you fictional players, there's a thread over at OOTP about some possible development issues for players coming out of feeder leagues. One of the guys has a good handle on it and is going to recommend some changes to Markus. I've been toying with the idea of using a feeder league instead of just having players show up in the draft pool, but the complexities it adds concerning the number of feeder teams you need to properly fill out a draft, keeping those in check if you expand your league, plus any other indirect feeders into your league like independent major and minor leagues, has me worried about the balance of talent in a league.
We may be sacrificing quality of results for realism with all of these league setups. I want to create something substantial, but I'm afraid it will be a waste. Someone over at OOTP has confirmed that you basically can't set up the NCAA system as a feeder league for MLB and expect to keep the talent levels where they should be. I'm really not sure how to proceed.
I feel the same way. I wish this whole issue could be ironed out soon.
MizzouRah
03-31-2007, 10:41 AM
Posted by Chris Johnson over at www.calvertgames.com (http://www.calvertgames.com):
When even the spreadsheet lovers over at Front Office Football Central are having a hard time coming up with major complaints, then this is truly a remarkable product.
Thought that was funny. :)
miami_fan
03-31-2007, 10:43 AM
That is funny!
Ksyrup
03-31-2007, 11:22 AM
1. I don't think we try to come up with complaints; we're just good at pointing out a game's shortcomings. And if the game and/or its developer deserves it, then we create a 1000 page thread devoted to a discussion of the game's finer points. :)
2. To be fair, the majority of us haven't really gotten into the "meat and potatoes" of the game yet, so if there are issues with certain areas of OOTP, none of us have seen them and thus haven't commented on them.
That said, as I mentioned over at the OOTP board, I've already gotten my money's worth, and all I've done is sim history.
JPhillips
03-31-2007, 11:28 AM
It's a very good game, but there are a number of problems that I've pointed out, most notably the non-working compensatory picks and the poor talent distribution of fictional dispersion drafts.
I should also add that I think we are looking for problems in games because the majority of us believe that most Beta testing is poor at identifying problems.
molson
03-31-2007, 11:47 AM
That is funny!
I don't know if that guy's a poster here or not, but I think it also speaks to how important this board's opinion of a text sim is. Personally, I would never buy anything unless it got the general thumbs up over here. (That's why I skipped last year's OOTP)
miami_fan
03-31-2007, 11:49 AM
I don't know if that guy's a poster here or not, but I think it also speaks to how important this board's opinion of a text sim is. Personally, I would never buy anything unless it got the general thumbs up over here. (That's why I skipped last year's OOTP)
What made it funny to me is how many people on this board don't like having to use spreadsheets and such when playing a game.
lynchjm24
03-31-2007, 11:56 AM
Looks like the feeder leagues will take a patch or maybe another version to get right. Other then that I don't see anything glaring yet. I'll probably dig into it a little more today though, hopefully the AI is really improved.
Ben E Lou
03-31-2007, 11:58 AM
I haven't fooled with feeder leagues' talent at all, but I'd assume setting their talent levels a bit lower than rookie ball would do the trick. {shurg}
Is it possibly to set up a fictional universe with multiple league levels with promotion and relegation like the English soccer leagues? I've always thought that would be fun to do.
In fact, I think it would be fascinating to see a US professional sport do this, though I know that will never happen. It would be interesting to see a couple of MLB teams going into the last week fighting to avoid relegation.
molson
03-31-2007, 02:07 PM
I haven't fooled with feeder leagues' talent at all, but I'd assume setting their talent levels a bit lower than rookie ball would do the trick. {shurg}
Probably, and while I'm glad such modifications are possible, the game should really have a default balancing based on the number of feeder league teams v. number of major league teams. I'm just trying to play the game, I'm not a programmer.
Ksyrup
03-31-2007, 03:18 PM
There appears to be a pretty big issue with minor league teams not properly using players:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=143527
molson
03-31-2007, 03:28 PM
There appears to be a pretty big issue with minor league teams not properly using players:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=143527
I don't really understand that problem.
I mean, if you put 5 starting pitchers on your minor league team, they'll all be the in the rotation, and they'll all get starts. Same with the AI teams. Sure, if you hoard 10 starters on a minor league team, they AI might not start the ones you want, so don't do that (the AI doesn't).
Eilim
03-31-2007, 03:42 PM
Is it possibly to set up a fictional universe with multiple league levels with promotion and relegation like the English soccer leagues? I've always thought that would be fun to do.
In fact, I think it would be fascinating to see a US professional sport do this, though I know that will never happen. It would be interesting to see a couple of MLB teams going into the last week fighting to avoid relegation.
This is actually one of the first things I want to try and figure out how to do successfully once I get my nation.txt and city.txt editing out of the way. I plan on trying something similar to what TurnerONU22 mentions in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=143946&highlight=promotion
Yet to decide if I'll be going with financials or not, as I'm start to tire of running multiple test leagues to get everything right after every little change to see what works and doesn't.
Ksyrup
03-31-2007, 04:16 PM
I don't really understand that problem.
I mean, if you put 5 starting pitchers on your minor league team, they'll all be the in the rotation, and they'll all get starts. Same with the AI teams. Sure, if you hoard 10 starters on a minor league team, they AI might not start the ones you want, so don't do that (the AI doesn't).
The problem appears to be that the minor league manager isn't playing the right players - some very good prospects aren't getting any playing time. There's some question whether it has to do with the ghost players. You might be able to manually override your team's AI manager to start the right players, but what about the rest of the league? If some of the best prospects are getting little or no playing time, they aren't going to develop. The number of players on the team doesn't appear to be an issue for the people reporting the problem.
Grunthos
03-31-2007, 06:06 PM
*sigh*
So many things to like about what they've done with this... the UI improvements are great, the customizability is stunning... I was thrilled, for example, to see the organizational history pages, such a great design aspect...
and yet we get problems and gaping holes because they imported concepts and routines from FM without fixing problems that have been discovered and handled in FM. This "minor leagues using ghost players instead of prime prospects" issue, for example, was a significant bug in FM 2006 which has since been resolved there.
I purchased the game yesterday, and I'm not too put out over the expense, because I support the project and didn't lay out cash for the half-baked 2006 release. But it's a real slap in the face to set up an MLB sim (I used Icy's template, started in 1995, and simmed twelve years to build up some history for everyone), take over a team, and (re)discover glaring problems with a common style of play.
I like to play baseball sims just as a GM, leaving the on-field management to the manager. I took over a Twins team that had just finished a 65 win season. Part of the reason: they fired their manager midseason, and replaced him with a guy from the Gulf Coast League (!), who was in the Phillies organization (?!), whose preferred job was bench coach, and who had *no* above-average ratings. I guess they needed someone cheap.
"Turn coaches off," you say. And yet, how am I to do that when my interest is in a challenging GM sim? If you don't make staff hiring a significant and problematic part of the job, then I'm going to run rings around the AI on player acquisition no matter how good an AI you've designed.
I don't see:
- why it is hard to put the coach and scout ratings on a similar bell curve to the player ratings; there's a bazillion scouts running around with perfect or near-perfect scores in various categories.
- why coach and scout hiring by computer GMs has to be so atrociously stupid/irrational when the profiles, desired roles, and hiring practices are at least informed by, if not imported from, the FM experience (although I recognize that FM itself has only recently managed to get staff careers into a somewhat realistic form).
- why turning coach/scout ratings off has to leave me with absolutely no information about the quality of the coach or scout... why would it be difficult to put a vague reputation label and a few simple job references on the staff member's card? I'd love to be hiring on general information and then have to interpret the job my staff member is doing by their effect on performance/success in scouting players... with one exception...
- why turning coach/scout ratings off has to force me to have no ability to view doctor's ratings, since there is really no good way to track doctor performance so I'd just be flying blind.
Nothing surprising in all of this, really. It's very true to form for both Markus and SI to place these issues at the bottom of the priority list. Thankfully, I can put this on the shelf for 2-3 patches, or possibly even to the next version, and go back to my perfectly entertaining FM07 career.
Ksyrup
03-31-2007, 06:41 PM
Let the record reflect that although this criticism is coming from FOFC, the poster has only 8 posts. :D
Seriously, though, I hope they are able to fix some of these issues, although with Markus' personal issues, my guess is the first patch is only going to deal with major bugs/easy fixes and a second patch might be a ways off.
Grunthos
03-31-2007, 06:48 PM
Geez, tough crowd. I call discrimination against lurkers! :p
No doubt the patching will take awhile. I plan ahead for these things... I'm only just now getting around to Rome: Total War, having waited, what, two years for the best mods to get fully developed. Just got EUIII as a gift, don't plan to play it for at least six months. OOTP will get put on the same kind of timetable.
DaddyTorgo
03-31-2007, 07:04 PM
Geez, tough crowd. I call discrimination against lurkers! :p
No doubt the patching will take awhile. I plan ahead for these things... I'm only just now getting around to Rome: Total War, having waited, what, two years for the best mods to get fully developed. Just got EUIII as a gift, don't plan to play it for at least six months. OOTP will get put on the same kind of timetable.
is total realism done grunthos? 7.0 or whatever? i've been waiting for that for such a long time!
Grunthos
03-31-2007, 07:09 PM
RTR 7.0, not yet, although they apparently are actually closing in on a release date. I've been working with Europa Barbarorum 0.81, which is pretty stable and definitely a big improvement over the original game, although the later stages tend to have overlarge armies and vast cash surpluses.
DaddyTorgo
03-31-2007, 07:21 PM
aaaah cool. I hadn't checked the forums in a few weeks or a month or whatever. I've definitely back-burned the game until that's all done with, but then I intend to get years of playing time out of it once it's all stable and finished.
Ksyrup
03-31-2007, 07:31 PM
This is disappointing...I'm trying to pull off a particular "alternate" history scenario, and part of what I want to accomplish I intended to do by allowing the real players to import into the draft pool, but editing them before the draft so that they become free agents that can be signed by any league (including other minor and major leagues). However, through the first yearly cycle of doing this, I'm finding that maybe 5-10% of the draft class is actually being signed and the rest just sit in the free agency pool. Some good players are out there, but no one is signing them. Almost all of these same players, if "forced" onto teams through the draft, would have been on a major or minor league roster for the past year, but as free agents, the AI is largely ignoring them. This kinda screws up my entire plan for this league.
BAH! :mad:
Ksyrup
03-31-2007, 07:35 PM
Also, this game desperately needs the ability to make changes to players on a multi-player basis - in other words, if I want to delete a group of players, or say dump the draft class into the free agent pool, I shouldn't have to do this player-by-player. The only global setting like this is for rosters, to dump all players into the free agent pool, and for free agents, to delete them all. Otherwise, you have to make changes to each player individually, and it's a pain in the butt.
MizzouRah
03-31-2007, 07:54 PM
I should be in the 60's by the time the patch is released. :P
Ksyrup
03-31-2007, 08:02 PM
I hopes you're referring to the game and not your age.
MizzouRah
03-31-2007, 08:16 PM
I hopes you're referring to the game and not your age.
:)
1960's... I love the "historical" aspect of the game.
LionsFan10
03-31-2007, 09:58 PM
I hopes you're referring to the game and not your age.
He's referring to the sim date, it's pretty well known MizzouRah is in his middle-70's already. :D
cartman
03-31-2007, 10:00 PM
I have noticed that in the early part of the century, if a player enters free agency, they almost always retire. This happened in one sim I ran with George Herman Ruth. He became a free agent in 1925 after batting .350 with 59 homers. He retired that year.
Ksyrup
03-31-2007, 10:10 PM
Huh. I haven't used free agency that often with an historical sim. Did he retire immediately, or did he hang around in free agency before retiring?
Bearcat729
03-31-2007, 11:13 PM
I have noticed that in the early part of the century, if a player enters free agency, they almost always retire. This happened in one sim I ran with George Herman Ruth. He became a free agent in 1925 after batting .350 with 59 homers. He retired that year.
I've never seen this yet. I had Ruth enter Free Agency as a pitcher wait 2 years then sign with the Cubs where he went on to hit 700 HR
cartman
03-31-2007, 11:44 PM
Huh. I haven't used free agency that often with an historical sim. Did he retire immediately, or did he hang around in free agency before retiring?
Not sure. I set it up to sim overnight, and checked the results after I got home from work the next day. He was the only one that stuck out as having this happen, as well as vtbub's similar career path for Ruth.
MizzouRah
04-01-2007, 12:25 AM
He's referring to the sim date, it's pretty well known MizzouRah is in his middle-70's already. :D
With two kids, I might look it. :p
MizzouRah
04-01-2007, 12:55 AM
Historical simmers rejoice!!
Discovered something new tonight, sorry if I'm late to the party.
http://planetootp.com/anderson_utilities_for_ootp2007.htm#AULogoWatchDog
AULogoWatchDog is a nifty little program that runs in the background and as the years go by, it automatically updates the logos for the current teams in your league. WOW! Works perfectly!! As expansion teams come in, they will also have their current logo!
I tell you, I haven't seen mods like the ones people create for ootp since the days of High Heat baseball. Outstanding!
Marc Duffy
04-01-2007, 02:24 AM
and yet we get problems and gaping holes because they imported concepts and routines from FM without fixing problems that have been discovered and handled in FM. This "minor leagues using ghost players instead of prime prospects" issue, for example, was a significant bug in FM 2006 which has since been resolved there.
Sorry Gruthos. Let me categorically refute that. Nothing has been imported from FM so it's certainly wrong to claim otherwise.
Markus Heinsohn
04-01-2007, 02:39 AM
I have noticed that in the early part of the century, if a player enters free agency, they almost always retire. This happened in one sim I ran with George Herman Ruth. He became a free agent in 1925 after batting .350 with 59 homers. He retired that year.
That's pretty weird, I haven't seen this in the release version. But I'll look into it :)
SirFozzie
04-01-2007, 02:49 AM
Hey Markus> Any chance that a patch could improve associating feeder leagues? I want to be able to take my college mod and associate it with a big league, but I can't, because you have to create the league as a feeder.. you can't create the league and THEN make it a feeder :/
Eilim
04-01-2007, 03:31 AM
Looking for some advice from some people a bit more knowledgable in ootp. Basically I'm curious on how others would try and pull this off.
I plan on setting up a promotion/relegation based league based on what I've read here (http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=143946&highlight=promotion).
I'm looking into setting it up as three independent 10 team single sub-league, single-division leagues. Each league will have a "Junior" league, a rookie level minor system affiliated. I understand I'll have to re-affiliate the minor after each change in structure, but using a simple team naming scheme it shouldn't be too difficult.
I've set the playoffs as simple leader plus wildcard, but that is mainly to work within the conventions of the game. The leader of the league at the end of the season will be crowned "Champion" of the league, with the playoffs to determine the winner of the league "Cup", a sort of bragging rights trophy. Just wish there was a way to get more teams involved without having to use divisions.
I was thinking the "Premiere" league will be set as major league, with the Division 1 and Division 2 "leagues" being set at AAA and AA respectively. (I thought about going Major-International-AAA, but wasn't sure if the skill difference between major and international was enough for an interesting story to unfold in the universe.)
As it stands I was planning on setting it up with simple 25 man roster, disabling all the other roster based rules along with financials but ran into what could be a snag. I plan on setting up a a bunch of feeder league teams for the Premier division, so that there will be a trickle down effect of the talent through free agent pool to the other leagues as I have trading between leagues off. One thing I noticed though is that when I disabled financials I also lost the ability to select "Free agents allowed to go to other leagues" check box, not sure if thats because without financials its a given that they can, or if its now not an option. Will have to run a few tests to check it out.
Would rather not run with financials on as at this point I simply don't have enough knowledge of the system to get the right settings for the different leagues. But who knows, maybe that will change with some responses from you guys. :) Please be as vague or specific as you want on how you would do this, as I'm still in the early and very flexable stages of working all this out and am looking for any input I can find.
Grunthos
04-01-2007, 08:17 AM
Sorry Gruthos. Let me categorically refute that. Nothing has been imported from FM so it's certainly wrong to claim otherwise.
OK, Marc, my bad. Poor choice of words. The concept had been implemented in FM but was not part of Markus' series prior to his joining SI. I absolutely accept that no code has been copied from one program to the other. :)
Buccaneer
04-01-2007, 05:59 PM
I'm still torn. I spent the past week reading through this thread, as well as think about why I play OOTP like I do. I want to get into a new career soon since baseball is upon us (finally) but I still don't know whether it will be for this version or not.
The reason that I play OOTP is to be immersed into an alternate history of the era that I love (basically the Golden Age). Unlike other games, I don't play this as an "optimization puzzle" because frankly, it (baseball, earlier versions, or whatever) is not that hard. I like to play OOTP5 because of its variance with historical players in using Lahman. So far what I have read on 2k7, with recalc on or off, I do not know if that kind of variance is still there.
But here's the main thing. Because I play OOTP as an alternate history fast-simmer, GM and managers at the time didn't have the amount of information that is available today and to have such information would be somewhat anachronistic, I think. In other words, with all of the information available in 2k7, it would be like if I went back into time with Baseball Prospectus, Bill James and internet access. That's what I finally remembered in thinking OOTP6 was "too modern" to manage 40-60s style baseball. 2k7 seems even more so because of all of the great information available to you. Somewhere in this version is my game but it will take some time to find it.
Now I know there are many options to customize what you can see and not see (as well as in setting everything up), but that's a noticeable learning curve. I think in time that'll work out because I really like how you can "watch" games, the better trade AI and many other improvements. I think this version will be great if I choose to play in an on-line league again.
I am glad that I purchased this game because I support developers that strive to make an open game, which OOTP excels at.
Hammer755
04-01-2007, 09:08 PM
OK, Marc, my bad. Poor choice of words. The concept had been implemented in FM but was not part of Markus' series prior to his joining SI. I absolutely accept that no code has been copied from one program to the other. :)
Once again, that is simply incorrect. There were ghost players in every edition of OOTP until last year's.
MrBug708
04-01-2007, 09:18 PM
Do the coaches actually improve over the course of their coaching days?
JPhillips
04-02-2007, 08:10 AM
According to Markus, yes. However, in my limited simming I still haven't seen any coaches/scouts outside of MLB with any double digit ratings. (1-20 scale)
Calis
04-02-2007, 10:19 AM
Couple of questions here, I just bought he game this weekend, and haven't played it since version 4 I believe it was and not too much then. Baseball is also my least knowledgeable sport.
The star rankings, these are what exactly? Sometimes it's obvious why a person is 5 stars, but a lot of times I'm seeing someone with ratings nearly the same rated 4.5 or so to a person rated 1, what does this calculate exactly? Should I even use it? I'd been using it for a quick way to gauge talent but it seems to be off.
The designated for assignment thing, what is this exactly? I keep getting stoppages in my sims to move these guys. What causes this? Is it the computer putting these guys into limbo and me having to fix it?
Lastly, I run only fictional leagues, and I just did my first expansion. What's the best bet for number of rounds in the expansion draft? I thought 25 seemed like to much, but I dropped it to I think 18 and my expansion teams were WAY too good their first seasons.
Lastly, I first started off wanting to do a small short league. 6-8 teams, and runnning a season that was 50-60 games long with smaller rosters. Is there any way to get the scheduler to spread the games out or do you have to go through and schedule everything? Seemed way too confusing for me, I just wanted to be able to spread the games out to maybe 2-3 a week instead of having my season over and done in less than two months. I just gave up on it for now.
I'm having a blast with the game so far though, pulled me in much more than the last time I tried OOTP.
King of New York
04-02-2007, 12:14 PM
Historical simmers rejoice!!
Discovered something new tonight, sorry if I'm late to the party.
http://planetootp.com/anderson_utilities_for_ootp2007.htm#AULogoWatchDog
AULogoWatchDog is a nifty little program that runs in the background and as the years go by, it automatically updates the logos for the current teams in your league. WOW! Works perfectly!! As expansion teams come in, they will also have their current logo!
I tell you, I haven't seen mods like the ones people create for ootp since the days of High Heat baseball. Outstanding!
This utility is outstanding--thanks for mentioning it!
Ksyrup
04-02-2007, 12:23 PM
Sorry in advance for the long post. I hope you find it interesting/useful...
Well, I'm having a blast simming out an alternative history with a twist, even though it's taken a turn for the unrealistic, and I ran into a bug that has caused some big issues (though there appears to be a work-around).
This weekend I went about the task of painstakingly recreating baseball in 1914, complete with the correct Federal League teams/players. I set up a dual-league universe consisting of an historical MLB league (with recalc off) with a AAA minor league and a fictional league mirroring the Federal League (with no minor league until the '40s, just the default reserve roster). With the help of internet resources (and a guy over at the OOTP boards who created some nifty logos for the FL teams), I was able to place every player on his correct FL team (for those who played for more than 1 team, I simply put them on the team for whom they played the most that year) and kept the leagues separated, in order to simulate the conditions and rosters as closely as I could. At the beginning of 1915, I again added the players to the FL who joined the FL in real life and again simmed the results.
In order to get around the fictional league creating a draft pool of fictional players, I changed the settings in the league options to limit the number of players generated to be zero. A word of warning for those who do this, though, for any reason - the game gives you a warning about possible issues sustaining your league, and I've found that at certain points in the future, the game changes this setting on you and if you're not watching, you'll end up with fictional players in your universe. I had this happen twice and immediately retired/deleted them, but it could have been disastrous if I had just simmed through 50 years without looking.
Anyway, starting in 1916, I enabled the option for allowing free agents between leagues. Since FA was still not enabled, the practical effect of this was to limit player movement between the leagues to players cut by their teams or who became minor league FAs after 6 years (I included that to facilitate some movement of the lowliest of players). Although I initially thought I would need to create a feeder league to introduce some fictional players into the FL, I found that there were enough FAs available to sustain the league, the only issue being its obvious affect on the talent level in the FL. I was OK with that, though, because I thought the idea of a lesser major league was probably the most realistic scenario I could play out. I had initially attempted to cause all MLB historic players to be placed into FA to be signed by either league, but it just didn't work. For whatever reason, the AI was not aggressive in going after FAs in that way, so I went with Plan B (or more like Plan Q at this point).
For the first 15-20 years, both leagues played out fairly well. For some reason, I had an explosion of offense in the early 20s (in 1 year in the MLB, 4 guys hit .400!), but I think that was just random and not necessarily tied to my league set up. The FL was functioning in a neat and, quite frankly, realistic fashion. It was basically made up of 4 types of players: (1) the original FL players from 1914 and 1915, until they retired; (2) young players who were cut by MLB teams in their teens or early 20s; (3) guys from between 26-32 years old who were career minor leaguers, career part-timers, or vets on an early downswing; and (4)good/great vets, some even stars, who were seemingly past their prime and ready for retirement. Invariably, once these guys got to the FL, their careers picked up, thanks to the lower level of competition. It was pretty cool to watch.
It was fun, and not entirely unrealistic, until a certain event occurred in the early 30s. For some reason, not one but TWO teams decided to pass on some dude named Hank Greenberg. The Tigers and Athletics both signed and cut him during spring training, and the Brooklyn Tip Tops of the FL picked him up. He fucking shattered the league, as you might imagine. This wasn't a future HoFer on the north side of 30, this was a great player at 20. He regularly hit in the .400s or high .300s, routinely smacking 60-90 HRs a year, driving in upwards of 180-230 runs a year. He's still active, still winning Triple Crowns, and headed for 1,100 career HRs. So he kinda screwed up the realism of the league, but I left him in there just because. A similar thing happened on a smaller scale with Hal Trosky, who has been putting up insane average and HR numbers as well, but not quite to the level of Greenberg. He had 3000 hits by age 28, btw. Dude is treating the league like his own 5th grade whiffle ball tournament.
So I get into the 40s and decide to add a minor league system for the FL based in Florida. Little did I know that I triggered a bug related to staff salaries. By the mid 40s, I noticed that one team was signing every decent FA in sight and winning the league going away every year, so I decided to investigate. Turns out they had a small advantage - their staff salary was showing as a negative billion-plus dollars (yes, that's -1,000,000,000), which somehow was turned into a positive net worth of that much, minus a couple hundred thousand of other expenses. So while the other teams in the league were all running $100K-$400K deficits, this team was running around with a Steinbrenner/Gates combo owner. Turns out there's a work-around for this bug, but keep an eye out for it if you expand to include a minor league.
So that's where I am now, at around 1947, I think. I'm going to keep going and hope that another future HoFer doesn't fall into the league at an early age. Once FA occurs in the 70s, though, it should be interesting to see what the added player movement does to both leagues' talent level. I've enjoyed watching the careers play out like this.
Swaggs
04-02-2007, 12:37 PM
Ksyrup, that is similar to my one big complaint with the league I have been running: Players are traded or sign FA contracts between leagues too often.
I have no problem if your universe is set up to include somewhat parallel "top" leagues, as mine is with my fictional US-based league and the Japanese-based league, but I have guys getting traded to the Puerto Rican winter league and the Korean league.
MizzouRah
04-02-2007, 12:38 PM
This utility is outstanding--thanks for mentioning it!
No problem!
Ksyrup
04-02-2007, 12:43 PM
Ksyrup, that is similar to my one big complaint with the league I have been running: Players are traded or sign FA contracts between leagues too often.
I have no problem if your universe is set up to include somewhat parallel "top" leagues, as mine is with my fictional US-based league and the Japanese-based league, but I have guys getting traded to the Puerto Rican winter league and the Korean league.
That's easy to stop, though, since you can disable FA movement between leagues and, if you want, trades between leagues. I'm not sure they sign any more between leagues than they do intra-league, since trade frequency is a global option. I have mine set to low, btw. I assume the AI sees no difference between the leagues and trades at the same rate with out of league teams as it does in its own league.
In my league, I have disabled trading between leagues completely, as I don't think it is realistic (at least not for what I want), but I do allow FA between the leagues, and it's been realistic. But I don't have true FA enabled yet, and when I do, I expect to see quite a bit of movement between the leagues (look at the NFL/USFL, for example).
LionsFan10
04-02-2007, 12:47 PM
This utility is outstanding--thanks for mentioning it!
How do you install this program? I'm positive I have .NET Framework 2.0 but when I download the setup it downloads an app that when I double click, says "the application is missing required files"
Never mind, I guess I should read a little closer. He explained it.
DanGarion
04-02-2007, 02:23 PM
So I get into the 40s and decide to add a minor league system for the FL based in Florida. Little did I know that I triggered a bug related to staff salaries. By the mid 40s, I noticed that one team was signing every decent FA in sight and winning the league going away every year, so I decided to investigate. Turns out they had a small advantage - their staff salary was showing as a negative billion-plus dollars (yes, that's -1,000,000,000), which somehow was turned into a positive net worth of that much, minus a couple hundred thousand of other expenses. So while the other teams in the league were all running $100K-$400K deficits, this team was running around with a Steinbrenner/Gates combo owner. Turns out there's a work-around for this bug, but keep an eye out for it if you expand to include a minor league.
That's pretty cool that the team took advantage of the issue to become dominant.
Ksyrup
04-02-2007, 03:02 PM
I guess that's the positive spin to put on it...!
DanGarion
04-02-2007, 03:21 PM
I guess that's the positive spin to put on it...!
Well compared to some older versions of OOTP that you would see these teams with tons of cash and they wouldn't make deals to get the big FAs and then you see teams that have no money making offers they could never support.
Ksyrup
04-02-2007, 03:24 PM
Yeah, in that respect, I'm seeing the AI making smart decisions based on need. For example, I was following the career of a particular CF and noticed that he had retired in the middle of the year. So I looked at the remaining roster and there was another part-time CFer and a legit starting CF that the AI went out and traded for about 2 months earlier, replacing the guy I was following and sending him to the bench. That prompted his mid-season retirement, I suppose.
Buccaneer
04-02-2007, 06:53 PM
I think what I am going to do is similar to an advice given at ootp boards for OOTP5/6 players having a harder time getting into this new version. I am going to start a OOTP5 career like I always do but keep track of the setup, stages, screens and reports that I do and then try to do the same thing in OOTP2007 (adding in new features as desired). I know right off in comparing the gameplay, I don't like the overloaded sim screen (the one you watch while simming a month or whatever length) and prefer watching the standings and league leaders screen that we had in 5/6. I also know I don't like the new Roster Report and prefer the one in 5/6. What I don't know is how customizable these are. I do know that when it comes times to do FA, extensions and trades, OOTP2007 will offer a better experience.
Grunthos
04-02-2007, 07:22 PM
Once again, that is simply incorrect. There were ghost players in every edition of OOTP until last year's.
Weird. I played OOTP 5 and 6 fairly extensively. Either my memory has really gone to pot, or we're talking about two different things.
*shrugs*
KWhit
04-02-2007, 08:12 PM
Weird. I played OOTP 5 and 6 fairly extensively. Either my memory has really gone to pot, or we're talking about two different things.
*shrugs*
Your memory has gone to pot. There were ghost players in every version I have ever played.
twothree
04-03-2007, 12:35 PM
I love the depth and flexibility of what you can do with your league in this game. My current fictional setup includes three independent major leagues each with an attached AAA league and a college feeder league playing using modern era rules. All leagues have one division of ten teams. And I manually promote and demote teams (and their affiliated minor league team) between my major leagues after each season.
Each major league plays a 162 game schedule, each minor league plays a 108 game schedule, and each feeder league plays a 54 game schedule. This keeps the schedules very balanced when using the default 3 game series since each league has ten teams. The top two teams in each league have a championship playoff. The feeder leagues play a 3 game championship series and the minor leagues play a 5 game championship series. This allows for the college feeder leagues to finish their playoffs before the drafts take place (June 15th), and allows for the minor leagues to finish their playoffs before the major leagues expand their rosters on the 1st of September.
Two of the major leagues (the Lower Baseball League and the Middle Baseball League) have a 7 game championship series with the winners getting promoted up to the next higher class of major league. I also promote the affiliated minor league teams of each championship team no matter where they finished in their league, so that all major league teams keep the same minor league team and players. The 10th place team in each major league and its affiliated minor league team get demoted to the next lower class league. And the 10th place team along with its minor affiliate in the Lower Baseball League gets moved to a new city. My other major league, the Upper Baseball League plays a 9 game championship series to determine the true champion of my fictional universe.
I had a few quirks at the beginning of the league. In the first year there was not enough 22 year old players in the feeder leagues to make the draft last 5 rounds, but every year after I have had enough players. Also, in the first year the champion of the Middle Baseball League went on to be the Upper Baseball League champion the next three years. And, the first champion of the Lower Baseball league won the Middle Baseball League championship the next year.
I have been thinking about starting over and allowing the top two teams to get promoted. I have also been thinking that instead of just moving the 10th place team in the Lower Baseball League to a new city, I might start deleting the team and let all of those players go to the free agent pool, and then create a new "expansion" team each year in the Lower Baseball League.
Young Drachma
04-03-2007, 12:42 PM
Hey Markus> Any chance that a patch could improve associating feeder leagues? I want to be able to take my college mod and associate it with a big league, but I can't, because you have to create the league as a feeder.. you can't create the league and THEN make it a feeder :/
You can do that. You just have to click under the name of the league to change the affiliation of the league
BigPapi
04-03-2007, 12:53 PM
I tend to draw the line at "need an advanced degree in mathematics" in order to get something to work as my definition of whether a feature works. Unlike setting up a fictional or historical league, where the financial and historical modifiers and player creation functions works reasonably well without much tweaking at all, the feeder league set up takes hours of work and many test leagues to get right.
I'd like to have a large league set up, but it's like there's too many moving parts for it all to fit together properly. I'd rather focus on playing the game, and if others want to go through the work to figure this all out, I'll gladly reconsider using this set up in the future.
I agree with this- I have a spent a TON of time on the correct PCM's for a 128 team NCAA and 240 team HS feeder league- and it's working pretty well right now (I sim 10 years in to see the effects of the draft pool on the league)- but the point is- this shouldn't be neccesary. It seems inconceivable to me that nobody considered that a feeder league might be ten teams- or it might be 300 teams- and that some sort of adjustment in ratios of talent would have to be made to accomadate these differences (for the same size league the teams are feeding to). With no modifications to the PCM's- I am seeing several 4 and 5 star players PER TEAM- regardless of feeder leagues size...Not good- and I don't think many people are going to want to play with this - and they shouldn't have to...Hopefully this will be addressed
BigPapi
04-03-2007, 01:00 PM
You can do that. You just have to click under the name of the league to change the affiliation of the league
Nope, you can't- you are talking about league affiliation- he's talking about a feeder league. Once a league is designated as MLB, international, college, HS, etc.- it can be affiliated with another league- but cannot be changed to a feeder league.
Furthermore, you cannot create a feeder league as a template without associating it with the league to be fed- or put another way- you cannot creaate a feeder league template, and then expect to import that feeder league into an MLB type univers and use it as a feeder league...Which sort of defeats the purpose I think. You have to create the feeder league WITH the fed league together as a template.
LionsFan10
04-03-2007, 01:05 PM
Do you get two licenses with this game? I'm assuming you do, but just figured I'd ask.
Ksyrup
04-03-2007, 01:16 PM
Do you get two licenses with this game? I'm assuming you do, but just figured I'd ask.
Yes.
Ksyrup
04-03-2007, 01:18 PM
As a PSA, I thought I'd mention that the staff salary bug I posted about previously appears to be connected to adding a minor league at some point after you initially create your league. Apparently there's something screwy with the salaries of one or more minor league coaches/scouts, and you end up with negative billions of dollars in salary, which somehow translates to that much money as cash on hand.
So, until this is fixed, if you intend to create a minor league for your major league(s), do it when you create the league and don't wait until later.
Ksyrup
04-03-2007, 01:28 PM
BTW, thanks to the salary bug and an annoying tendency for the game to auto-adjust my draft rules to sneak some fictional players into my league when I didn't want them, I'm going to be starting my Federal League universe all over. Luckily, I've got the 1914 setup saved as a template, so the only issue will be stopping in 1915 to add the players who joined the FL that year. So this time, if by chance I see another Hank Greenberg join the league, I think I'll kindly send him back where he belongs. As long as they're not sure-fire HoFers, I think I'll let them stick around, though.
There's also been a good discussion over there about the AI's tendency to seemingly completely ignore stats in its evaluation of players (mainly pitchers is what some of us have found), or if not completely ignore stats, allow a small ratings dip to determine whether to release or demote players. Several of us have noticed the AI releasing or demoting guys who've pitched well the year before for no reason other than maybe a 1 or 2 point dip in Stuff rating. So you'll end up with a 20-game winner in 1945 suddenly in the FA market or sitting in AAA for a few years, and if injuries or what-not require that he come back up, he again pitches pretty well. Someone ran a test with ratings set to '10' and the stats settings taking up the other 90% of the evaluation criteria and it was still happening pretty frequently, causing us to believe the game isn't taking stats into account in making moves like it should be.
twothree
04-03-2007, 01:50 PM
I have been thinking about starting over and allowing the top two teams to get promoted. I have also been thinking that instead of just moving the 10th place team in the Lower Baseball League to a new city, I might start deleting the team and let all of those players go to the free agent pool, and then create a new "expansion" team each year in the Lower Baseball League.
Looks like I have to delete both the 9th and 10th place team. And then I can use the built in team expansion function, since you have to expand by an even number of team. I can accept that.
Plus I have decided to expand my league structure since everything seems to be going well in my tests. Now I am going to try every league being one sub-league of two divisions (5 teams in each division). One top major league, then two middle major leagues below that, each one promoting/demoting into one of the divisions. Then four lower major leagues below that, each major league still having one affiliated AAA minor league and one college feeder league.
This will allow me to set the country for some of the other major leagues to something else. So, eventually teams from other countries will make it into the top league with most players being from that country. However, when they do get to the top league, their team will be drafting players from the country of my top league, which I don't really want, but I will have to accept. Guess I will have to bump the foreign percentage of players of my top league to maybe 80 or 90 percent.
Young Drachma
04-03-2007, 02:09 PM
Nope, you can't- you are talking about league affiliation- he's talking about a feeder league. Once a league is designated as MLB, international, college, HS, etc.- it can be affiliated with another league- but cannot be changed to a feeder league.
Furthermore, you cannot create a feeder league as a template without associating it with the league to be fed- or put another way- you cannot creaate a feeder league template, and then expect to import that feeder league into an MLB type univers and use it as a feeder league...Which sort of defeats the purpose I think. You have to create the feeder league WITH the fed league together as a template.
Well then, I guess they ought to fix that, huh?
MizzouRah
04-03-2007, 02:16 PM
Rule 5 draft is broken for historical leagues. Markus has fixed it for the patch though. (Thanks MizzouRah) lol
BigPapi
04-03-2007, 03:25 PM
Also, this game desperately needs the ability to make changes to players on a multi-player basis - in other words, if I want to delete a group of players, or say dump the draft class into the free agent pool, I shouldn't have to do this player-by-player. The only global setting like this is for rosters, to dump all players into the free agent pool, and for free agents, to delete them all. Otherwise, you have to make changes to each player individually, and it's a pain in the butt.
I know in the league options screen- depending on what league you have selected you can delete players fro that league ONLY. For example- in my MLB universe set-up- I have cretaed and deleted players both from my college and HS feeder league separately from each other and kept the rosters intact for the other leagues...Although if you delete players from your MLB universe I am pretty sure you also delete all minor leaguers as well....Not exactly what you were looking for- but pretty handy when messing with different PCM's and seeing what kind of draft class is produced. (just reemeber to go into the appropriate league's free agents screen and delete all the free agents once you release them!)
It would be nice to be able to selectively highlight and delete players, though...and it would also be nice to perform global edits on players without having to dump the players to an excel file...Maybe next year.
Ksyrup
04-03-2007, 04:33 PM
It would be nice to be able to selectively highlight and delete players, though...and it would also be nice to perform global edits on players without having to dump the players to an excel file...Maybe next year.
That's what I'm talking about.
korme
04-03-2007, 06:00 PM
Minor bug with players turning into managers.
Mordecai Brown turned into a bench coach in 1928.
In 1929, a second iteration of the man known as Three Finger was made into a pitching coach.
So I have two Mordecai "Three Finger" Browns as coaches. I tried to edit one and change the name, but it still has the link to his former player profile and original name. Gah!
Ksyrup
04-03-2007, 06:46 PM
Try adding a finger to one of them.
I bet you can do that in Maximum Football.
bhlloy
04-03-2007, 10:52 PM
So what is the deal with the MLB rosters? As I understand it certain people were given the game early to get the rosters ready for release, then they were ready but the guy releasing them was doing some last minute tweaking, then sent them as a storm was moving in, turned his computer off and left for a week's business trip. They were promised Monday, now it is Tuesday and no rosters. I was wondering if any of the FOF insiders had any update?
Either way it doesn't work out great for SI - there has to be a small customer segment that either won't buy the game without real rosters or are going to put the game down pretty soon once the hoopla surrounding opening day wears off. Never mind that EHM with a much smaller fanbase manages to afford the real NHL rosters.
DanGarion
04-03-2007, 11:02 PM
Never mind that EHM with a much smaller fanbase manages to afford the real NHL rosters.
I can bet you that NHL rosters are a LOT cheaper them MLB ones.
Critch
04-04-2007, 07:38 AM
Well compared to some older versions of OOTP that you would see these teams with tons of cash and they wouldn't make deals to get the big FAs and then you see teams that have no money making offers they could never support.
I've been messing around with a league built from Icy's Major League template, trying to use the market size and fan loyalty to mirror a MLB where big market teams win and small market don't quite so much.
I set up the league from the template then set the market sizes as appropriate ranging from 12 (the Yankees) through 10 (second level big markets, like the Red Sox, Dodgers, and Cubs), 8 and 6 for middling teams, down to 4 for the likes of Tampa Bay. After that I simmed the inaugural draft with the AI making all the picks, then set the market sizes again. The AI seems to reset the market size and fan loyalty based on the salaries of the players drafted by each team, so I had to redo the setup. D'oh.
I then simmed through 15 years to get some history. The first couple of years it was the teams that drafted well who did well naturally enough, but by season 3 or 4 the big market teams were rising to the top as they started to use their financial muscle to nab the best free agents. By round about season 6 the league had settled into it's rhythm. Boston, St Louis, the Cubs, Atlanta, the Dodgers, the Mets, Philadelphia are all virtually perennial challengers for playoff spots, but a couple of smaller market teams still challenge. Florida in particular seem to have mastered challenging with young players from their minors before trading them on for a new generation of prospects. Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh have stunk pretty much every year since the early draft-driven success (Pittsburgh won the World Series in season 2).
The one team that doesn't fit the pattern is the Yankees. They haven't reached the playoffs in 10 seasons, haven't finished higher than 3rd in the last 6. The final season I simmed they finished in 4th, 35 games behind the Red Sox, all this despite the Yankees having by far the highest salary in the league. The Yankees were around 160mil, nobody else broke 125mil. 160mil salary + 4th in the division = 50mil loss for a single season, Mr Steinbrenner would not be happy.
I've checked out the Yankees roster and their problem is that they like to give big contracts to old guys, particularly pitchers. They've got some 36 year olds earning 10mil a year while turning in eras over 5, they've even got a 41 year old starter who's still got three more years of 17mil a year (though he's still pretty good so it's not his fault yet). Their minors are fairly barren too, so things aren't getting better for them any time soon.
So there you have it, the AI does seem to be good enough that it can take advantage of having cash to spend, but it can still make a total hash of trying to outspend the opposition.
DaddyTorgo
04-04-2007, 07:45 AM
I've checked out the Yankees roster and their problem is that they like to give big contracts to old guys, particularly pitchers. They've got some 36 year olds earning 10mil a year while turning in eras over 5, they've even got a 41 year old starter who's still got three more years of 17mil a year (though he's still pretty good so it's not his fault yet). Their minors are fairly barren too, so things aren't getting better for them any time soon.
sounds pretty realistic to me :D
Ksyrup
04-04-2007, 08:10 AM
No kidding. That's pretty funny. Apparently the Brian Cashman Intervention is a feature for OOTP2008.
Oilers9911
04-04-2007, 08:36 AM
It was fun, and not entirely unrealistic, until a certain event occurred in the early 30s. For some reason, not one but TWO teams decided to pass on some dude named Hank Greenberg.
I can understand you looking twice at the circumstances that led to Hank Greenberg being passed on twice and signing with the FL. However, this is where you have to put it out of your mind that you even know who Hank Greenberg was. You know and I know that was a stupid move but in revisionists history like you are writing with your game maybe nobody knew Hank Greenberg. Maybe there were other reasons for him being passed on. I would just accept it as "the way it was" and not worry too much about it.
Ksyrup
04-04-2007, 08:56 AM
I can understand you looking twice at the circumstances that led to Hank Greenberg being passed on twice and signing with the FL. However, this is where you have to put it out of your mind that you even know who Hank Greenberg was. You know and I know that was a stupid move but in revisionists history like you are writing with your game maybe nobody knew Hank Greenberg. Maybe there were other reasons for him being passed on. I would just accept it as "the way it was" and not worry too much about it.
Oh, I agree, and before I started I was kinda looking forward to things like this happening, but when it happened, it threw the league way out of balance since he became so much better than the talent level in the league. It turned into a joke, really.
I imagine if something like that were to really happen, and the FL was considered a "minor major league," inferior to the MLB, the player would probably have sued for free agency and we'd have had Curt Flood decades before he happened. In fact, that might not be a bad way to write the history of the leagues if this happens again. I'm starting this league over, and if I see someone like this completely abusing the league to absurd levels (like, one year he hit .459 with 93 HR and 234 RBIs), maybe I'll use that as an opportunity to introduce a limited form of FA into the leagues and send him back to where he belongs. We'll see.
albionmoonlight
04-04-2007, 10:31 AM
Oh, I agree, and before I started I was kinda looking forward to things like this happening, but when it happened, it threw the league way out of balance since he became so much better than the talent level in the league. It turned into a joke, really.
I imagine if something like that were to really happen, and the FL was considered a "minor major league," inferior to the MLB, the player would probably have sued for free agency and we'd have had Curt Flood decades before he happened. In fact, that might not be a bad way to write the history of the leagues if this happens again. I'm starting this league over, and if I see someone like this completely abusing the league to absurd levels (like, one year he hit .459 with 93 HR and 234 RBIs), maybe I'll use that as an opportunity to introduce a limited form of FA into the leagues and send him back to where he belongs. We'll see.
IRL he'd make for great barstool discussion to this day. You would have the "Hank Greenberg is the greatest player to ever play baseball" crowd, and you would have the "Hank Greenberg put up cartoon numbers in a joke league and would have been nothing more than a good to very good player in the Major Leagues" crowd.
It might even have ended up being one of those issues that defined the kind of person you were as a fan.
Ksyrup
04-04-2007, 10:40 AM
True. Of course, none of that matters today, since the barstool discussion is "this would have been a great discussion to have, except the league became corrupted by a couple of bugs so I started over."
We'll see if I get so lucky this time around. I did have a few other good players, like Hal Trosky for example, who put up several 60 HR seasons, but no one of the stature of Greenberg. That might have been lightning in a bottle.
BigPapi
04-04-2007, 01:33 PM
So what is the deal with the MLB rosters? As I understand it certain people were given the game early to get the rosters ready for release, then they were ready but the guy releasing them was doing some last minute tweaking, then sent them as a storm was moving in, turned his computer off and left for a week's business trip. They were promised Monday, now it is Tuesday and no rosters. I was wondering if any of the FOF insiders had any update?
Either way it doesn't work out great for SI - there has to be a small customer segment that either won't buy the game without real rosters or are going to put the game down pretty soon once the hoopla surrounding opening day wears off. Never mind that EHM with a much smaller fanbase manages to afford the real NHL rosters.
The guy who was helping finish them up for Erich (who did 99 .9% of the gruntwork) promised the initial version (on several occasions) for March 25th- that was 10 days ago now. He said the "full" release was coming opening day- April 2- but he apparently left for business on the morning of the 26th- thinking he had uploaded the roster back to Erich the previous night. He said he didn't take the rosters to work on his trip because he "needed a break"- which is cool- but he isn't retuning until today- according to him....So my question is, how was he planning an opening day release when he wasn't comng back into town until two days after that- and he didn't bring the rosters with him to work on (forget about the fact that he was away for business)...Whatever.
What's ridiculous is he's now whining about all the "hard work" he put in and how ungrateful people are when he advertised for the world that he was releasing the rosters in a thread on the main OOTP board- and repeatedly promised their "imminent release"...What a joke....Talk about disengenuous. This isn't any different than the high school slut showing up for a Friday night party dressed in pasties and acting disgusted and incredulous at all the lewd stares she receives.
Don't misunderstand- I appreciate all the hard work put in for these rosters- but poor Erich's gotta be regretting letting this clown turn this situtation into a joke.
Ksyrup
04-04-2007, 01:36 PM
His name's not Daivd by any chance, is it?
Ksyrup
04-04-2007, 07:31 PM
I'm having sign-and-release issues in the second go-around with my Federal League universe. During spring training, a block of guys will get repeatedly signed and released by every team in the league, multiple times.
And on a related note, it's the Hank Greenberg story, Take Two...
I'm in 1924, and who shows up on an FL team's roster - Lou Gehrig! That's right, the Iron Horse himself. but the bigger issue than him getting signed by an FL team is the fact that he must have had theworst spring training in the history of baseball, because not only did the Yankees cut him, but then the Senators, White Sox, Braves, Tigers, Yankees (again!), Cubs, Athletics, Reds, Braves (again!), and Senators (again!) all passed on him as well. And all of this occurred between March 17th and April 1, until the Baltimore Terrapins signed him and kept him. Even I've never been rejected that many times!
Ksyrup
04-04-2007, 09:30 PM
So this time, Greenberg was released 4 times before signing with the Yankees. Which is OK, since they lost Gehrig to the FL.
Galaril
04-04-2007, 10:32 PM
I'm having sign-and-release issues in the second go-around with my Federal League universe. During spring training, a block of guys will get repeatedly signed and released by every team in the league, multiple times.
And on a related note, it's the Hank Greenberg story, Take Two...
I'm in 1924, and who shows up on an FL team's roster - Lou Gehrig! That's right, the Iron Horse himself. but the bigger issue than him getting signed by an FL team is the fact that he must have had theworst spring training in the history of baseball, because not only did the Yankees cut him, but then the Senators, White Sox, Braves, Tigers, Yankees (again!), Cubs, Athletics, Reds, Braves (again!), and Senators (again!) all passed on him as well. And all of this occurred between March 17th and April 1, until the Baltimore Terrapins signed him and kept him. Even I've never been rejected that many times!
I have seen this a number of times in my historical league. Teams sign a palyer or trade for a guy and then put him up on the trading block?
Ksyrup
04-04-2007, 10:36 PM
I've also been posting over there about a general problem of the game not giving enough weight to stats over ratings, even when you modify the recommended rating weights. We're seeing it mostly with pitchers being released or demoted immediately following very good seasons. The game is going off of drops in ratings without factoring in how well the pitcher did in recent years. It's completely unrealistic to immediately release the defending Cy Young winner before he even demonstrates he can't pitch anymore. But that's what's happening pretty regularly.
Critch
04-05-2007, 06:56 AM
I've checked out the Yankees roster and their problem is that they like to give big contracts to old guys, particularly pitchers. They've got some 36 year olds earning 10mil a year while turning in eras over 5, they've even got a 41 year old starter who's still got three more years of 17mil a year (though he's still pretty good so it's not his fault yet).
Sorry for quoting myself....
One season on and the 41 year old starter suddenly got very old over the winter so he's another aging drain on the budget. But don't worry, the Yankees signed the best 38 year old starting pitcher in the league to a long term, 14mil per season contract to keep the rotation fresh. They're nothing if not predictable.
Ksyrup
04-05-2007, 07:28 AM
In a way, that's pretty cool, since it appears to mirror real life. Almost like a built-in checks and balances on their unlimited wealth. If they fire their GM, you should check to see if there's a change in philosophy from the types of FAs they sign.
My Federal League has been simmed up to 1947 and it's been fun to follow it. Lou Gehrig's career is just about to wind up and he's got over 1,200 HRs in a 24-year FL career. His best year, he hit 88 HRs, and the next highest on the HR leaderboard was 18! I haven't checked his final numbers, but over in the MLB historical league that's running along with my FL league, Babe Ruth had hit exactly 800 HRs through age 40 and was about to retire.
I've set injuries to low in this universe, in case anyone was wondering. With the 2 leagues sharing historical players, I figured I better help conserve players so that they don't run out.
Ben E Lou
04-05-2007, 07:51 AM
I've been testing/tweaking since the preview. Finally got around to really playing the last couple of nights, and it's a blast so far. I simmed 25 years of history with 22 teams (12 AL, 10 NL), then added two teams to the NL for a 24-team, 4-division league. I took over the expansion Atlanta Braves (fictional players, of course). I went all-out, and could only muster a 74-88 record. Got to the second free agency stage shortly before bed last night, and it's clear that the AI teams are holding on to most of their stars. There are some good players available, but I won't be able to build just by free agency, even though I have a lot of money available due to a very low payroll in season one. So far, so good.
Ben E Lou
04-05-2007, 07:54 AM
Oh, and for fictional leagues, facegen just straight-up rocks...
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For me, in my personal gaming history, this heads the list of "features I thought I wouldn't give a squat for, but turned out to love."
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QFT. I mean, of all-time. I've never had a feature that I've cared less for in concept, but then loved more in implementation.
Ksyrup
04-05-2007, 08:08 AM
I haven't really done much with it since I've been doing historical sims, but even I got swept up a bit with it and messing around with some uniform designs/colors one night. Very cool feature, and when I eventually transition to a fictional league, I'll be interested to see how it works, with the changes to each person over time, etc.
And on the subject of unis/logos, etc., if anyone is looking for a way to match colors between logos/jerseys and what-not so that you can make sure you have the right color scheme setup in the game, try this freeware program:
http://www.nattyware.com/pixie.html
When you run it, it gives you the exact code you need for anything you run it over. Very handy.
Ksyrup
04-05-2007, 09:39 AM
Another bug I hope that's getting fixed - and I'm seeing it personally for the second time - is the 3-way tie bug. Basically, the computer just picks 2 teams to play, and the third gets left out. There are rules dealing with this now, although I honestly don't know how they dealt with this years ago.
Ksyrup
04-05-2007, 10:55 AM
Well, I think I'm just about to pack it in with this league.
I got the fictional player creation issue under control this time around, but now the issue is that the AI is not properly filling minor/major teams adequately. Maybe it's the unique way I've set up this league, with two leagues feeding off the same set of FA players, but I don't think that should matter since there are plenty of FAs to fill the voids I'm finding on the rosters.
Basically, the MLB teams (major and minor) are fine, since they are automatically getting players put on their rosters through the historical import. But just like I saw when I had originally tried this league as a pure FA league (meaning all historical players got put into the FA pool, no draft and no auto-place) and not enough guys were being signed, now I'm seeing the same issue again with the Federal League. The AI is simply not signing pitchers. Teams in the FL are down to maybe 1 or 2 SP (all aged 36 and up) and a few MRs, while their minors have 5-12 players, none of whom are pitchers. Meanwhile, there's a ton of them sitting as FAs. What completely killed this league for me is that one team had nothing more than 4 MRs and a CL, and by the end of July, 12 position players had pitched.
So I'm thinking this isn't just related to my league setup, but any league setup that doesn't rely on either a draft or historical auto-placed rosters. When the teams are having to rely on FA to do more than just fill remaining spots on a roster or address areas of need, it fails. The AI has consistently shown that it cannot complete a proper roster. That same team with 5 relievers on it? A combined 9 catchers and 7 1B between its major and minor league teams.
I'm going fictional, baby.
Swaggs
04-05-2007, 11:38 AM
Oh, and for fictional leagues, facegen just straight-up rocks...
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For me, in my personal gaming history, this heads the list of "features I thought I wouldn't give a squat for, but turned out to love."
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QFT. I mean, of all-time. I've never had a feature that I've cared less for in concept, but then loved more in implementation.
Absolutely agreed. The facegen + uniform editor was something I did not care too much about, but absolutely love now.
cougarfreak
04-05-2007, 04:35 PM
Well, it looks like it'll be quite some time before a 2007 roster set is released for the game. I was defending the guy who was supposedly making one, then got sick and ended up in the hospital on the boards over there, but he seems like a real treat now, claiming he won't finish them unless people give him free itunes or something. Now that's mature.
DaddyTorgo
04-05-2007, 04:40 PM
Well, it looks like it'll be quite some time before a 2007 roster set is released for the game. I was defending the guy who was supposedly making one, then got sick and ended up in the hospital on the boards over there, but he seems like a real treat now, claiming he won't finish them unless people give him free itunes or something. Now that's mature.
Apujols is the guy who is saying that I gather. However the original (MLB only) roster set done up by Erich Ingram is going to be released to everyone. Erich has said that. I gather Apujols was just helping him out with that, and what Apujols is talking about is his "more expanded" set including full minors and college and top HS prospects.
which frankly, IMO I can do without. I'm just waiting on Erich's MLB-only set.
cougarfreak
04-05-2007, 04:44 PM
Apujols is the guy who is saying that I gather. However the original (MLB only) roster set done up by Erich Ingram is going to be released to everyone. Erich has said that. I gather Apujols was just helping him out with that, and what Apujols is talking about is his "more expanded" set including full minors and college and top HS prospects.
which frankly, IMO I can do without. I'm just waiting on Erich's MLB-only set.
Yep, that would be the one. It's neither this nor that for me, I play fictional most of the time, but what is going on over there is pretty low IMO.
PSUColonel
04-05-2007, 04:44 PM
Well, it looks like it'll be quite some time before a 2007 roster set is released for the game. I was defending the guy who was supposedly making one, then got sick and ended up in the hospital on the boards over there, but he seems like a real treat now, claiming he won't finish them unless people give him free itunes or something. Now that's mature.
What you were failing to realize (until now it sounds like) is that AP has been bull shitting the whole time and coming up with excuse after excuse because he never really did the set in the first place.
DaddyTorgo
04-05-2007, 04:49 PM
lol. I'd love to see Apujols try to sell his roster set. I bet I wouldn't even be the first person on the phone to the MLBPA getting an injunction against his sorry ass.
that being said, at least there are people out there that aren't total douchebags and I'm confident we'll see a roster set from Erich Ingram sooner rather than later. And I've got more than enough on my plate with historical anyways.
cougarfreak
04-05-2007, 04:50 PM
lol. I'd love to see Apujols try to sell his roster set. I bet I wouldn't even be the first person on the phone to the MLBPA getting an injunction against his sorry ass.
that being said, at least there are people out there that aren't total douchebags and I'm confident we'll see a roster set from Erich Ingram sooner rather than later. And I've got more than enough on my plate with historical anyways.
Maybe Erich will set it up to where Apujlos can't download them. :cool: :D
MizzouRah
04-05-2007, 05:20 PM
Why can FOF have a real set and OOTP can't?
MizzouRah
04-05-2007, 05:21 PM
dola,
..and when is this "patch" coming out? My historical sim is on hold because the rule 5 draft was broken.. it's been fixed, hence I'm ready to get going once again.
MizzouRah
04-05-2007, 05:38 PM
Well...
The first patch for OOTPB 2007 will be released pretty soon, so I thought I'd post this as a placeholder. The patch will be pretty straightforward. We've tested the beta with a lot of different leagues, and there shouldn't be any adverse effects on existing saved games, templates, etc.
That said, being an IT kinda guy, I will issue this statement:
ANY time you make changes to a software program, you're introducing risk. However, there is always a chance that a change in the program could cause problems with your saved game, and OOTPB is more succeptible to this sort of problem than some other games, due to the incredible variety of ways in which people use the game. I strongly recommend that you back up any custom files prior to applying the patch, including:
Saved games
Templates
Custom quick-start games
Custom logos, hats, or jerseys
Custom text files, such as names, nations, etc.The more important your league is to you, the more strongly I would urge you to back up your games. Obviously, if it was something you threw together in 5 minutes, no great loss if something happens. But if it took you 10 hours to put together your league, and you've played out every game for 5 seasons, do yourself a favor and back up your files before patching! And hang onto those backups for a while. Don't just fire up the patched game, say "Oh, it works," and then throw your backup away!
As someone who helps out with Tech Support, there's nothing I hate worse than being in that situation where a bug has killed someone's league, and I can't say anything except: "Sorry, you're hosed." So, while Markus does his best to put out a bug-free product, please do YOUR part to take care of the games that are important to you, too!
Thanks, all!
Steve Battisti, resident Backup Proselytizer
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lynchjm24
04-05-2007, 06:34 PM
I'm playing the fictional MLB quickplay. 2 seasons in I'm starting to get a little nervous.
I'm using the modifiers that SkyDog posted. Players are developing extremely fast.
Somehow my FSL schedule was deleted and I didn't realize it until July, so there were no games played, yet the players kept developing anyway.... that is not a good sign if you ask me.
Ksyrup
04-05-2007, 06:59 PM
Somehow my FSL schedule was deleted and I didn't realize it until July, so there were no games played, yet the players kept developing anyway.... that is not a good sign if you ask me.
If I'm understanding this correctly, I think the reason for that is the opion to not even have a minor league. You can set up a league with just a reserve roster, and the players don't play games, but they still develop "normally." With that option, they have to or the league wouldn't work. So I bet that's what took over in your league without a schedule. Just a guess.
DaddyTorgo
04-05-2007, 09:30 PM
there has to be a setting to....generate stats for players entering the draft. right? where's it at?
Buccaneer
04-05-2007, 09:32 PM
there has to be a setting to...
That's probably OOTP2007's tag line.
lynchjm24
04-05-2007, 09:32 PM
If I'm understanding this correctly, I think the reason for that is the opion to not even have a minor league. You can set up a league with just a reserve roster, and the players don't play games, but they still develop "normally." With that option, they have to or the league wouldn't work. So I bet that's what took over in your league without a schedule. Just a guess.
I guess it's a necessary evil. Pretty much makes the minor leagues pointless though if playing time doesn't effect development.
In my 2008 draft I took a MR in the 6th round who shouldn't have been passed over 6 times by the other 29 teams. After just a month and a half the minor league report was telling me he was ready for the majors at age 18. My first pick in the prior year was 24th overall and he's on his way to ROY in his age 20 season. I made a trade for a middling starting prospect during the offseason, only 22 he still had a lot of room between ratings and talents, by September the ratings had completely maxed to the talents.
It is nice that the AI isn't losing their best prospects on waivers though. I am beginning to worry that there are just too many moving parts and the development sweet spot is near impossible to find.
DaddyTorgo
04-05-2007, 09:37 PM
nevermind. I remember where I found it before. You have to click on your major league and then click the "add minor league" button
BigPapi
04-05-2007, 09:43 PM
Well, it looks like it'll be quite some time before a 2007 roster set is released for the game. I was defending the guy who was supposedly making one, then got sick and ended up in the hospital on the boards over there, but he seems like a real treat now, claiming he won't finish them unless people give him free itunes or something. Now that's mature.
APujols5 is a complete tool.
bhlloy
04-05-2007, 10:08 PM
It would appear so. I was hoping the guy had legit reasons, but an electrical storm (ever heard of a surge protector) followed by a week long business trip followed by a night in the hospital followed by silence doesn't look too good.
What I don't understand is why Erich can't get them out in 20 minutes if they were "99.9%" done. What makes it twice as bad is that Cubbyfan, who does awesome work, trashed his rosters because he thought that a bigger release was days away.
One thing is for sure, it looks pretty bad on SI. If I was Markus, and I gave a few guys the game months early in return for an opening day roster, and this circus happened, I would be pissed.
DaddyTorgo
04-05-2007, 10:25 PM
It would appear so. I was hoping the guy had legit reasons, but an electrical storm (ever heard of a surge protector) followed by a week long business trip followed by a night in the hospital followed by silence doesn't look too good.
What I don't understand is why Erich can't get them out in 20 minutes if they were "99.9%" done. What makes it twice as bad is that Cubbyfan, who does awesome work, trashed his rosters because he thought that a bigger release was days away.
One thing is for sure, it looks pretty bad on SI. If I was Markus, and I gave a few guys the game months early in return for an opening day roster, and this circus happened, I would be pissed.
yep. I think if I was markus, the easy solution would be to say "moving forward if you get the game early to do rosters, the expectation is you will have rosters out by date x. If you don't, you will no longer be allowed to purchase the game in the future." or hell...just say that if they fail to release by a given date, they won't ever get the chance again.
as for Erich...I think the issue is that he gave his rosters to Apujols to put a couple polishing touches on, so he's waiting for Apujols to send them back to him with those finished touches. Otherwise I presume he'd have to go in and do that work over.
Terps
04-06-2007, 03:17 AM
The first patch is out.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=145001
Marc Duffy
04-06-2007, 03:22 AM
Beat me to it :)
EagleFan
04-06-2007, 04:35 AM
Thanks Marc
Now for what I was coming to the thread for....
Am I missing something in the player screens? I am looking at Babe Ruth, who also pitched, but can only see his batter stats. Also, there are two pitchers that were inducted into the HoF but they show as batters and I cannot see their pitching stats in their player screen as well. I know they were selected for their pitching stats, or should have been, so it doesn't seem to be something that happened in error (being selected due to weird averages because of few at bats) and they they seemed to have deserved selection based on their pitching stats (among the leaders in many categories in their career). The only thing I can see is that it looks like both pitchers look to have played something other than pitcher at least once.
Ksyrup
04-06-2007, 06:47 AM
Which screen are you talking about - their history screen on the in-game screen? The in-game screen has different buttons to click at the top where you can view pitching/hitting/fielding stats separately. I find those to be a pain because they default to hitting, even for pitchers. On the player's history "card," I've found that it only shows Babe Ruth's hitting stats. I assume that once he switched from pitcher to hitter, the game recognizes him solely as a hitter and nothing more. I'd like the pitching stats to be there, too, but he's so rare that it probably doesn't make sense to spend too much time trying to get that to work correctly. If you're having that same issue with other players, maybe they also switched from pitcher to hitter in their careers? Who are they (assuming this is an historical league)?
DaddyTorgo
04-06-2007, 11:41 AM
is there a way to see past year's stats...say on the free agent page once you've "turned over" into the new season? cuz ideally i'd like to try playing without ratings at all, but that makes it a real pain to try to scour through guys for who to pickup...maybe i'm missing something really obvious?
Ksyrup
04-06-2007, 11:50 AM
You mean individual stats? Just click on the player and you should see his last 3 years' stats at the bottom of his profile, and there are links up top where you can see his career stats.
DaddyTorgo
04-06-2007, 11:56 AM
You mean individual stats? Just click on the player and you should see his last 3 years' stats at the bottom of his profile, and there are links up top where you can see his career stats.
no I mean....to sort by. Like on the main free agent page you can see stats, but once you turn over into the new year they show up as all blank. I'm wondering if there's a way to get that to show either last year's stats or even career stats...
DaddyTorgo
04-06-2007, 12:02 PM
again with "nevermind"
although it's not the single most intuitive thing...it's under "splits"
you can view last year, or 2 years ago or career.
now if I can just figure out how to set that as a default...
DaddyTorgo
04-06-2007, 01:32 PM
dammit
I just had a perfect game through 8.1 innings that I was managing until their #8 hitter got a 1 out double. Walked the next guy and then got a lineout and a strikeout to end the game. So frustrated though.
lynchjm24
04-06-2007, 03:48 PM
1 bug I think
1 necessary tweak
The bug is that players on the DL when the automatic contract renewals are handed out don't seem to get one. So I've got a player in the majors who still says Minor League Contract because when I brought him back from the 60 Day DL I moved him straight to the majors.
Tweak: The AI when building lineups should not put the backup catcher as a backup at other positions or as the starting DH which it loves to do to me.
lynchjm24
04-06-2007, 04:18 PM
I'm not sold on amature player generation. In my 30 round draft there is only 1 player rated as a SS who is better then a 1 star potential. Doesn't really jive with reality when so many good players come in as SS and then move down the spectrum.
Why doesn't the game prompt me when I leave someone in DFA - the days run out but I can just go along playing with them in that status.
Young Drachma
04-06-2007, 05:07 PM
I'm not sold on amature player generation. In my 30 round draft there is only 1 player rated as a SS who is better then a 1 star potential. Doesn't really jive with reality when so many good players come in as SS and then move down the spectrum.
Yeah, I don't think it works particular well either. I've have to go in and created masses of better prospects. The game still generates ENTIRELY too many middle relievers and awesome first baseman for my taste.
Qrusher14242
04-06-2007, 05:38 PM
1 bug I think
1 necessary tweak
The bug is that players on the DL when the automatic contract renewals are handed out don't seem to get one. So I've got a player in the majors who still says Minor League Contract because when I brought him back from the 60 Day DL I moved him straight to the majors.
I got this too, although i think it was just a regular contract. I had Toby Harrah signed and he ended up on the DL and all of a sudden he was a free agent. Now, i think i had him signed, because he wasnt on soon to be Free Agent list on the Front Office tab. But he still ended up as a FA the next year
lynchjm24
04-06-2007, 08:54 PM
Yeah, I don't think it works particular well either. I've have to go in and created masses of better prospects. The game still generates ENTIRELY too many middle relievers and awesome first baseman for my taste.
The AI doesn't really value the MRs very well either in the draft. You can get pitchers who are borderline starters with great talents into the 4th, 5th and 6th rounds. Since everything else by then is garbage, it's pointless to pass up these MRs.
Ksyrup
04-06-2007, 08:58 PM
The more I'm reading, the more I think I might stick with the historical sim side of this game for awhile. Maybe I'll do like Bucc and jump into an historical sim and take over a team - and try to get over my issues with knowing things about the players. Then there at least won't be any player creation issues.
Buccaneer
04-06-2007, 09:12 PM
Chris, make sure you don't do the recalc thing. That way the "knowing" part becomes more fun and a bit of a gamble.
Ksyrup
04-06-2007, 09:19 PM
Yeah, I'll definitely keep that off.
Do you use ratings, or do you go without and strictly use stats? I'm thinking that going without would prove to be a bigger challenge.
Senator
04-06-2007, 09:19 PM
I started with the Senators (why???) in 1920 with the recalc off. More fun than I know what to do with. A fellow with no speed by the name of Muddy Rheule has kept us in spitting distance of the Yankees with 5 games to go.
Buccaneer
04-06-2007, 09:34 PM
I think that's the hook of playing historical this way - there are always players that will surprise. Most of the time they are players that were, at best, minor stars or more likely, run of the mill players.
I've always used Reduced Ratings. When I looked at v2007, I saw way too many ratings and never could find a way to trim it down to just the three that I'm used to. One of these days I'll get up to speed but in the meantime, v5 gives me my immediate and comfortable fix.
If you start a historical career for real, I'll be interested in reading your experiences.
BYU 14
04-06-2007, 09:50 PM
I started with the Senators (why???) in 1920 with the recalc off. More fun than I know what to do with. A fellow with no speed by the name of Muddy Rheule has kept us in spitting distance of the Yankees with 5 games to go.
Muddy Ruel is always a player I watch in historical replays.....must be the name. He was definitely slow as molasses, but a pretty good hitter and a decent enough Catcher....
Is the Big Train still with you?
Buccaneer
04-06-2007, 09:51 PM
By the way, one of the things I am doing as I'm playing my current career is not only to keep track of the steps I do to play (so I can learn to do them in v2007) but also to compare stats and players. One of the simpler ways is to compare the end-of-the-year leader boards. Here's the 1931 season I just finished and it would interesting to see comparative results with the new version:
http://home.comcast.net/~ouray2/images/final31.jpg
Ksyrup
04-06-2007, 10:50 PM
One of the annoying things about 2007 is that the screen you watch the auto-sim from immediately goes away once the sim is finished, so you can't see that nifty overview of the standings/league leaders on one page. At least I haven't found it if it exists. So this is the best i can do:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-8/1204206/1931standings.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-8/1204206/1931batting.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-8/1204206/1931pitching.JPG
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