NBA: Kobe hits 50 for the third game in a row

[DeToxRox]

Four minutes left in the fourth (albeit vs Memphis) and Kobe has 55.

Yes people hate him but this is pretty fucking impressive even considering he's done it vs Milwaukee, Portland and Memphis.

When he is in the zone there is no one better.

[cmp]

Very impressive. No one can deny how good he is.

[Logan]

Didn't Iverson run off a bunch of 50+ games towards the end of his rookie year?

[cmp]

Ends up with 60. So thats a 65 point game, then 50 and now 60.

[Easy Mac]

That's probably raised his ppg by 1.5 points in the past 3 days.

[MrBug708]

*sigh*

Now if the Lakers could only get better players

[Karlifornia]

When he is in the zone there is no one better.

QFT

[primelord]

Didn't Iverson run off a bunch of 50+ games towards the end of his rookie year?

No

[DeToxRox]

Iverson had back to back 50 point games.

[primelord]

Iverson had back to back 50 point games.

Not in his rookie year he didn't

[sabotai]

Didn't Iverson run off a bunch of 50+ games towards the end of his rookie year?

Not 50+, 40+.

4/7/97, 44pt vs Chi
4/9/97, 40pt vs Atl
4/11/97, 44 vs Mil
4/12/97, 50 vs. Cle
4/14/97, 40 vs. Wsh

[MrBug708]

http://i13.tinypic.com/33kzrl3.jpg

[Vince]

That picture is freaking awesome.

[Ragone]

You know what i notice about that picture.. That at least 2 of his teammates are wide open

[Karlifornia]

You know what i notice about that picture.. That at least 2 of his teammates are wide open

Kobe's taking the team on his shoulders. Would you rather have Kobe going to the rim contested, or passing it off to Kwame Brown for a 10 footer? I'll take Kobe making the shot or getting fouled.

[Vince]

For a second I read that as 'uncontested,' and I was about to say "Um...Karl?"

Then I realized I just need to go to sleep.

[molson]

You know what i notice about that picture.. That at least 2 of his teammates are wide open

Ya, he should share the ball more with his less talented teammates so their feelings won't be hurt.

I understand the "ball hog" angle in a 5th grade YMCA league, but no so much here.

[Subby]

You know what i notice about that picture.. That at least 2 of his teammates are wide open
Yeah pass when you are two feet from the fucking basket.

GOOD OBSERVATION COACH WOODEN.

[wade moore]

The Kobe Haters amuse me...

You should pass the ball to the two dumb-dumbs that are only wide open because you're in the air about to MAKE A BASKET.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The Kobe Haters amuse me...

I can only assume that those of us who hate Kobe but couldn't care less whether he passes the ball in that situation (or any other) are not as consistent a source of amusement for you ;)

[wade moore]

I can only assume that those of us who hate Kobe but couldn't care less whether he passes the ball in that situation (or any other) are not as consistent a source of amusement for you ;)

Well.. I should say.. The Kobe Haters that make up reasons to hate him amuse me...

There are legitimate reasons to hate on Kobe, why grasp for things that aren't there?

[Julio Riddols]

I don't like him so much as a person, but Kobe is a hell of a player, in my mind the closest thing to a Jordan in the league today.. If he had a Pippen to run with, there wouldn't be so much of a need for him to put the team on his back like this.. But I think with all great players, there comes a time when they just say "To hell with it, I'm gonna will this team to win, because I'm the only one who can." And the thing that makes him great is that when he does this, he does it. He doesn't often choke when the pressure is on.

[Logan]

Not 50+, 40+.

4/7/97, 44pt vs Chi
4/9/97, 40pt vs Atl
4/11/97, 44 vs Mil
4/12/97, 50 vs. Cle
4/14/97, 40 vs. Wsh

My mistake...thanks.

[Eaglesfan27]

I don't like Kobe, but I think he has raised his game this year to its most impressive level, flailing arms notwithstanding.

[BrianD]

I don't like him so much as a person, but Kobe is a hell of a player, in my mind the closest thing to a Jordan in the league today.. If he had a Pippen to run with, there wouldn't be so much of a need for him to put the team on his back like this.. But I think with all great players, there comes a time when they just say "To hell with it, I'm gonna will this team to win, because I'm the only one who can." And the thing that makes him great is that when he does this, he does it. He doesn't often choke when the pressure is on.

Though when he had Shaq on his team, he still put the team on his back. Kobe is an amazing talent though.

[Chief Rum]

You know what i notice about that picture.. That at least 2 of his teammates are wide open

You know what I notice? Some guys can't win for trying. And some people will despise others no matter what they see and hear.

BTW, a couple things I see in the picture. Kobe is open, too. And about a foot from the basket. With no one with a chance to reach him before he scores. And the reason there is a crowd behind him (and the players open) is because of something called help defense (although I don't think coaches will be showing this picture in any how-tos).

[Chubby]

Good job Kobe, your lakers are now only 16 games out of 1st!

[Karlifornia]

Good job Kobe, your lakers are now only 16 games out of 1st!

Oy...Is Kobe the NBA's version of Tom Brady on this board, or what?

[Chubby]

Oy...Is Kobe the NBA's version of Tom Brady on this board, or what?


Kobe can't win squat without Shaq.

Hell, this is Kobe's wet dream. He wanted to be "the man", well now he is except he won't be getting any more rings.

[st.cronin]

Oy...Is Kobe the NBA's version of Tom Brady on this board, or what?

You're thinking of Steve Nash.

[Atocep]

44 going into the 4th quarter tonight.

[kingfc22]

Kobe just hit 50...

[stevew]

Woot, way to pile on teams out of playoff contention baby! Good scoring feat though.....It wouldn't suprise me to see him go for 50 4 more games in a row, and the teams the Lakers play either suck or don't play defense.

[LloydLungs]

The Hornets are in playoff contention. If you consider the 8th seed in the west the playoffs as opposed to Dallas' sacrificial play toy.

[stevew]

The Hornets are in playoff contention. If you consider the 8th seed in the west the playoffs as opposed to Dallas' sacrificial play toy.

Eh, i meant on the cusp of playoff contention. Regardless if a team is 6-8 games under .500, they really won't do crap in the playoffs anyways.

[stevew]

eh, didn't notice houston on there at first.... Will be interesting to see what he does there, as he should easily drop 50 on the griz and warriors if he wants too.

[JeeberD]

No way JVG lets him get 50 on us...

[DeToxRox]

Eh, i meant on the cusp of playoff contention. Regardless if a team is 6-8 games under .500, they really won't do crap in the playoffs anyways.

Why are you bringing up Bron in a Kobe thread?

[sterlingice]

The Hornets are in playoff contention. If you consider the 8th seed in the west the playoffs as opposed to Dallas' sacrificial play toy.

I do like the phrase "Dallas' sacrificial play toy". Fun use of the language :)

SI

[Neon_Chaos]

That is just insane. Regardless if the opposing team is in playoff contention or not, for him to score 50 points in four consecutive games... that's just ridiculous.

What makes it more special is that it's Kobe's teammates who are actually giving him the opportunity to score all those points. Lamar Odom and Luke Walton are giving him great passes, and Phil Jackson is really just letting Kobe take over (which, after the near-collapse of the Lakers after the all-star break, is a no-brainer)

And it's not like Kobe's forcing the shots (ala 76ers era Iverson)... his FG% these past four games is simply an indication that he IS getting great looks on the court, either due to his skill or due to his teammate's just finding ways to give him the ball (I sincerely doubt any opposing NBA Team/Player/Coach would willingly give Kobe the chance to drop 50 on them... playoff contender or not)

Mar. 16 vs Por - 65 points, 59% fg shooting, 66.7% 3pt
Mar. 18 vs Min - 50 points, 48.8% fg shooting, 44.4% 3pt
Mar. 22 vs Mem - 60 points, 54.1% fg shooting, 42.9% 3pt
Mar. 23 vs. NOK - 50 points, 55.2% fg shooting, 40% 3pt


In four games: 225 points, 76/140 fg (54.3%), 17/33 3pt (51.5%), 56/60 ft (93.3%), 6.25 rpg, 2.75 apg, 2 topg.

The guy even has the time to dish out 2.75 assists a game... AND keep a respectable ATO ratio for his position (and the number of times he gets possesion of the ball)...

edit, added:

Odom is playing great as well, and Walton (since coming back) has just had one job to do... get the ball to Kobe.

Odom's numbers the last four games:

Mar. 16 vs Por - 15 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 50% fg
Mar. 18 vs Min - 16 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 58.3% fg
Mar. 22 vs Mem - 20 points, 15 rebounds, 4 assists, 66.7% fg
Mar. 23 vs. NOK - 15 points, 10 rebounds, 6 assists, 66.7 fg

Walton's numbers:

Mar. 18 vs Min - 10 points, 8 rebounds, 11 assists, 44% fg
Mar. 22 vs Mem - 11 points, 2 rebounds, 4 assists, 57.1% fg
Mar. 23 vs. NOK - 13 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 30% fg


That's just insane.

[Chubby]

you'd think if he's going to ballhog he'd at least go for Zero assists instead of getting a huge 1.

[DeToxRox]

Sounds like Chubby has a namesake for Kobe.

[Fouts]

I don't understand the hate. It is about winning basketball games. The Lakers lost 7 straight games, Kobe decides to score more and now they've won 4 straight. If Kobe scoring 50+ per game = win, then I'm all for it.

[Chubby]

I don't understand the hate. It is about winning basketball games. The Lakers lost 7 straight games, Kobe decides to score more and now they've won 4 straight. If Kobe scoring 50+ per game = win, then I'm all for it.

Me thinks that has more to do with the competition than Kobe dropping 50 each game.

[Chief Rum]

Me thinks that has more to do with the competition than Kobe dropping 50 each game.

Yup, you got it figured. I mean, Kobe was fortunate to play the four worst teams in NBA history in a row, so he could score his 50. Oh what they're not the four worst ever? Don't they have to be? If they're actually like other normal bad NBA teams, wouldn't someone else besides Wilt Chamberlain have done this in over 60 years?

So they're the worst ever, then, right? I mean, no one would have the gall to see that Kobe is good or nothing, would they?

[Chubby]

Yup, you got it figured. I mean, Kobe was fortunate to play the four worst teams in NBA history in a row, so he could score his 50. Oh what they're not the four worst ever? Don't they have to be? If they're actually like other normal bad NBA teams, wouldn't someone else besides Wilt Chamberlain have done this in over 60 years?

So they're the worst ever, then, right? I mean, no one would have the gall to see that Kobe is good or nothing, would they?

Wow, Kobe is god. He's better than Jordan. He's so good he'll carry the team to a title by himself. He doesn't need Shaq, he's Kobe!

Hahaha, pass the koolaid.

[Danny]

Why are you guys wasting your time debating this guy?

[Neuqua]

I am not, have never been, nor will ever be a fan of Kobe. But the show he is putting on now is absolutely remarkable and as long as his team is still winning, he should be commended for putting the team on his back.

:: runs to take a shower ::

[molson]

On the offensive side of the ball, Jordan V. Kobe is a very reasonable debate. (Jordan obviously still far better all around)

[Chief Rum]

Wow, Kobe is god. He's better than Jordan. He's so good he'll carry the team to a title by himself. He doesn't need Shaq, he's Kobe!

Hahaha, pass the koolaid.

Umm, reading comprehension. You're the one who said it was all the competition, wiseguy. Think before you respond. The only ridiculous statements being made here (Kobe had nothing to do with his streak) are by you.

[MrIllini]

Kobe is very talented. I seriously doubt he will ever win another title.

[Fouts]

Kobe is very talented. I seriously doubt he will ever win another title.

He needs more help. Dallas and Pheonix have too many weapons. Odom is a good player, but Kobe needs a talented big man. Somebody like Elton Brand. :)

[MrIllini]

He needs more help. Dallas and Pheonix have too many weapons. Odom is a good player, but Kobe needs a talented big man. Somebody like Elton Brand. :)

or Shaq

oops, he already fucked that up

[Fouts]

or Shaq

oops, he already fucked that up

Yep, Kobe runs the franchise. You would think two guys who can carry a team to the Finals every year would get along.

[Fouts]

Kobe scores only 43 points tonight, but they get the W.

[Groundhog]

Man, what a slacker.

[Chief Rum]

Yep, Kobe runs the franchise. You would think two guys who can carry a team to the Finals every year would get along.

That's probably the most disappointing thing about it all. Everyone wants to heap the blame on Kobe for that fiasco, but this all goes around on everyone. Kobe for putting the Lakers in a spot of choosing between him and Shaq. Shaq's unwillingness to play nice with Kobe or think about working out or putting any effort into his game until May. Coach Phil's inability to get off of his pulpit and keep the children in line. Mitch Cupcake's inept handling of the Shaq deal and subsequent moves since. And Jerry Buss's unwillingness to step up and control everyone, fire Mitch, tell Shaq to shut up and generally offer everyone enough money to keep them happy.

That was just a gawd awful mess.

[lordscarlet]

And Shaq has shown he can win without a talented point scorer on his team, right?

[Groundhog]

That's probably the most disappointing thing about it all. Everyone wants to heap the blame on Kobe for that fiasco, but this all goes around on everyone. Kobe for putting the Lakers in a spot of choosing between him and Shaq. Shaq's unwillingness to play nice with Kobe or think about working out or putting any effort into his game until May. Coach Phil's inability to get off of his pulpit and keep the children in line. Mitch Cupcake's inept handling of the Shaq deal and subsequent moves since. And Jerry Buss's unwillingness to step up and control everyone, fire Mitch, tell Shaq to shut up and generally offer everyone enough money to keep them happy.

That was just a gawd awful mess.

How about those Shaq-Penny years... worth a though before we lump the blame on Kobe.

[MrIllini]

And Shaq has shown he can win without a talented point scorer on his team, right?

Never said that, but he has another ring, doesn't he?

[Chubby]

And Shaq has shown he can win without a talented point scorer on his team, right?

And Jordan showed he could win without another scorer in Pippen too right?

Man Jordan must suck! :rolleyes:

[lordscarlet]

And Jordan showed he could win without another scorer in Pippen too right?

Man Jordan must suck! :rolleyes:

If people are going to say Kobe can't win without Shaq they can't ignore that Shaq can't do it without someone that is MVP quality either. No one is goign to claim that anyone on the Lakers outside of Kobe is a playoff-calibre player. The Heat, however, have not only Wade but several other talented players. Had the Lakers gotten rid of Kobe and kept Shaq with the same cast of characters Shaq would not have that extra ring.

I'm not saying Jordan sucks, Kobe sucks, or Shaq sucks. I'm saying they're all great players and the "Kobe can't win without Shaq" argument is ignorant.

[MrIllini]

If people are going to say Kobe can't win without Shaq they can't ignore that Shaq can't do it without someone that is MVP quality either. No one is goign to claim that anyone on the Lakers outside of Kobe is a playoff-calibre player. The Heat, however, have not only Wade but several other talented players. Had the Lakers gotten rid of Kobe and kept Shaq with the same cast of characters Shaq would not have that extra ring.

I'm not saying Jordan sucks, Kobe sucks, or Shaq sucks. I'm saying they're all great players and the "Kobe can't win without Shaq" argument is ignorant.

It's not ignorant. In fact, I believe you admitted that it's pretty accurate in your first paragraph. No one is saying that Shaq can win without the cast he has, but the fact is that Shaq HAS that supporting cast, thus wins rings, and I am happy he can shove them up Kobe's pretentious ass.

[lordscarlet]

It's not ignorant. In fact, I believe you admitted that it's pretty accurate in your first paragraph. No one is saying that Shaq can win without the cast he has, but the fact is that Shaq HAS that supporting cast, thus wins rings, and I am happy he can shove them up Kobe's pretentious ass.

They have nothing to do with it. It's not Kobe's fault that the Lakers haven't signed anyone to help him. It does not take away from Kobe's talents that Shaq can win with Wade and it does not add to Shaq's talents that he can win with Wade. Their talents are what they are and the teams choose to sign who they choose to sign.

[MrIllini]

They have nothing to do with it. It's not Kobe's fault that the Lakers haven't signed anyone to help him. It does not take away from Kobe's talents that Shaq can win with Wade and it does not add to Shaq's talents that he can win with Wade. Their talents are what they are and the teams choose to sign who they choose to sign.

Agreed, but does that not further the argument that Kobe can't win (and hasn't) without Shaq? Or, to go further, without SOMEONE else who is talented? It doesn't have to be Shaq, he just fits the storyline.

[lordscarlet]

Agreed, but does that not further the argument that Kobe can't win (and hasn't) without Shaq? Or, to go further, without SOMEONE else who is talented? It doesn't have to be Shaq, he just fits the storyline.

But people use that statement to degrade Kobe's talents. Don't tell me that "Kobe can't win without Shaq" doesn't mean "Kobe sucks and Shaq is the only reason he won" when it comes out of people's mouths. Otherwise they wouldn't say it. (most) People don't say, "Montana couldn't win without Rice" or, as someone said, "Jordan couldn't win without Pippen." There is just this hatred of Kobe so people make that statement because it's all the can grasp onto. They may know it actually means nothing, but it's meant to show that Kobe isn't as good as people think.

[wade moore]

Yeah.. I'm with ls here.. the statement "Kobe can't win without Shaq" is general made to imply "but Shaq can (and has) win without Kobe"... It's a very flawed argument, and it has been pointed out. No one in the NBA now can win without at least one other very talented player on their team. Period. To imply that Kobe can't and by ommission that Shaq can is false.

[MrIllini]

But people use that statement to degrade Kobe's talents. Don't tell me that "Kobe can't win without Shaq" doesn't mean "Kobe sucks and Shaq is the only reason he won" when it comes out of people's mouths. Otherwise they wouldn't say it. (most) People don't say, "Montana couldn't win without Rice" or, as someone said, "Jordan couldn't win without Pippen." There is just this hatred of Kobe so people make that statement because it's all the can grasp onto. They may know it actually means nothing, but it's meant to show that Kobe isn't as good as people think.

Well, as for me, that's not what I'm saying. :) I do dislike Kobe, but he is clearly talented. Arrogant. Self-overrated. Etc. BUT, he is talented and the Lakers wouldn't have won without him OR without Shaq.

Better? :)

[lordscarlet]

Better? :)

Quite so. :p

[MrIllini]

Kobe can't win without Shaq

:)

[lordscarlet]

Kobe can't win without Shaq

:)

FTW

[st.cronin]

To be fair, Shaq also can't win without Shaq.

[Neuqua]

But what I don't understand is, Kobe was the one not willing to be paired up with Shaq. He gave the Lakers the "Me or him" ultimatum. What makes you think Kobe doesn't think he can win it all by himself? When he had the opportunity to play along with the most dominant big force of our generation, he felt like he didn't get enough attention. If the Lakers should add a second star, what makes you think all of a sudden this time he would be a better teammate?

[MrIllini]

But what I don't understand is, Kobe was the one not willing to be paired up with Shaq. He gave the Lakers the "Me or him" ultimatum. What makes you think Kobe doesn't think he can win it all by himself? When he had the opportunity to play along with the most dominant big force of our generation, he felt like he didn't get enough attention. If the Lakers should add a second star, what makes you think all of a sudden this time he would be a better teammate?

yeah

[heybrad]

But what I don't understand is, Kobe was the one not willing to be paired up with Shaq. He gave the Lakers the "Me or him" ultimatum. What makes you think Kobe doesn't think he can win it all by himself? When he had the opportunity to play along with the most dominant big force of our generation, he felt like he didn't get enough attention. If the Lakers should add a second star, what makes you think all of a sudden this time he would be a better teammate?
Actually that's not totally accurate. Shaq gave the initial "Me or him" ultimatum along with the "Pay me more or I'm out of here" ultimatum. That's why the Lakers came very close to trading Kobe early on in his career for Jason Kidd. That certainly would have been an interesting scenario.

[lordscarlet]

Hey, Brad!

[MrBug708]

But what I don't understand is, Kobe was the one not willing to be paired up with Shaq. He gave the Lakers the "Me or him" ultimatum. What makes you think Kobe doesn't think he can win it all by himself? When he had the opportunity to play along with the most dominant big force of our generation, he felt like he didn't get enough attention. If the Lakers should add a second star, what makes you think all of a sudden this time he would be a better teammate?

Kobe wasnt gonna leave for 30 million dollars less and play for the Clippers. I would assume the talented teammate wont refer to themselves in the third person either and not bitch to the media everytime he's unhappy?

[MrIllini]

BIG ARISTOTLE

[Warhammer]

But people use that statement to degrade Kobe's talents. Don't tell me that "Kobe can't win without Shaq" doesn't mean "Kobe sucks and Shaq is the only reason he won" when it comes out of people's mouths. Otherwise they wouldn't say it. (most) People don't say, "Montana couldn't win without Rice" or, as someone said, "Jordan couldn't win without Pippen." There is just this hatred of Kobe so people make that statement because it's all the can grasp onto. They may know it actually means nothing, but it's meant to show that Kobe isn't as good as people think.

Montana won half his titles without Rice.

[Warhammer]

Kobe wasnt gonna leave for 30 million dollars less and play for the Clippers. I would assume the talented teammate wont refer to themselves in the third person either and not bitch to the media everytime he's unhappy?

As a Laker fan, I always put more blame on Shaq than Kobe. Hell, Shaq has a track record of having feuds with other talent on his team. I think it took the Lakers choosing Kobe over him to humble him enough to create a situation where he doesn't feud with Wade at all.

[lordscarlet]

Montana won half his titles without Rice.

I'm a good fact checker. :)

[Eaglesfan27]

As a Laker fan, I always put more blame on Shaq than Kobe. Hell, Shaq has a track record of having feuds with other talent on his team. I think it took the Lakers choosing Kobe over him to humble him enough to create a situation where he doesn't feud with Wade at all.


Besides Penny who has he shown himself to have troubles getting along with teammates, at least when he was talented, who else did Shaq have trouble getting along with? Seems from what I've read and heard, that Shaq has always been a very good teammate who helps guys bond. I think Penny and Kobe were more of the issues in those cases.

[Warhammer]

Besides Penny who has he shown himself to have troubles getting along with teammates, at least when he was talented, who else did Shaq have trouble getting along with? Seems from what I've read and heard, that Shaq has always been a very good teammate who helps guys bond. I think Penny and Kobe were more of the issues in those cases.

But who did Penny have issues with besides Shaq? Who has Kobe had issues with since Shaq left?

I'm not saying that Penny or Kobe are great guys or anything, but I don't think they were the ones who forced everyone to take sides in the locker room. The fact that Shaq always comes out smelling like a rose leads me to believe he is a backdoor conniver and manages to get the rest of the team on his side. In other words, he is a fun guy to be with in the locker room, provided you aren't a threat to his status.

[MrIllini]

But who did Penny have issues with besides Shaq? Who has Kobe had issues with since Shaq left?

it's because they don't want to be traded to Miami!

[Eaglesfan27]

But who did Penny have issues with besides Shaq? Who has Kobe had issues with since Shaq left?

I'm not saying that Penny or Kobe are great guys or anything, but I don't think they were the ones who forced everyone to take sides in the locker room. The fact that Shaq always comes out smelling like a rose leads me to believe he is a backdoor conniver and manages to get the rest of the team on his side. In other words, he is a fun guy to be with in the locker room, provided you aren't a threat to his status.


I seem to remember some locker room issues with Penny in Phoenix and Orlando besides just Shaq. It is entirely possible that my memory is faulty on that. As far as Kobe, most articles imply that he doesn't get along with his teammates. Kobe is the MAN there, so it's not surprising those issues don't become as pronouced as Kobe vs Shaq was.

As far as Shaq, there is no denying that he worked well with Wade, Mourning, and the rest of the crew to win another championship and his teammates seem to have nothing bad to say about him. He has deferred well to Wade, and I think that is in part because Wade is quite humble at least in relation to his significant talent level.

[MrIllini]

professional athletes have fragile egos

they all hate each other, IMO, because they all think they should be "the man"

[Neon_Chaos]

Shaq got owned by Hakeem.

And I will forever never have respect for either man...

just because of this...

http://www.batug.com/shaq-hakeem.jpg

[Chief Rum]

How about those Shaq-Penny years... worth a though before we lump the blame on Kobe.

Preaching to the choir. I put a ton of blame for the Lakers fiasco at Shaq's feet, but most people just want to blame Kobe. And I think Shaq has handled things less maturely on a regular basis since the "break up", too (although at least he had the good sense not to write a book about it, Phil).

[JeeberD]

No way JVG lets him get 50 on us...

Overtime doesn't count, dammit!

At least we won, unlike those other slacker teams he scored 50+ on. Two stars>One star...

[bulletsponge]

Overtime doesn't count, dammit!

At least we won, unlike those other slacker teams he scored 50+ on. Two stars>One star...

yea but Kobe horded the ball so bad late regulation and overtime the rest of the lakers were just standing around waiting for him to continue making miracle shots. which in turn showed when the rockets out hustled and out worked them. it didnt help that Kobe floped and traveled the lakers out of a chance to win in overtime. but he was damn unconsious in the 4th. Battier did a good job defending him though, forcing kobe to take wild 3 pointers, and his hard D i believe is the reason Kobe did that travel in OT, Kobe wanted the ball out of his hands cause he knew he was being forced to make harder and harder shots

[MrBug708]

Overtime doesn't count, dammit!

At least we won, unlike those other slacker teams he scored 50+ on. Two stars>One star...

Yup. Talent levels play a lot into it

[JeeberD]

y but he was damn unconsious in the 4th.

He must have been. I wasn't able to watch the game, but was checking the score on my phone. I saw that Kobe had 25 at halftime and was worried, but the last time I checked the score it was two minutes into the fourth and he only had 28. He must have caught some serious fire after that...

[Chubby]

He must have been. I wasn't able to watch the game, but was checking the score on my phone. I saw that Kobe had 25 at halftime and was worried, but the last time I checked the score it was two minutes into the fourth and he only had 28. He must have caught some serious fire after that...


Or he just decided to put personal goals in front of team goals.

[JeeberD]

Well, the Lakers were down by nine or so the last time I checked, so he was able to get them back in the game.

*shurg*

[heybrad]

Or he just decided to put personal goals in front of team goals.
You really have some insight into his thinking. Did you go to school with him or do you hang out with him or something? I mean, you're sure he was thinking personal goals over winning, right?

[MrBug708]

Or he just decided to put personal goals in front of team goals.

I'd hope the team would rather win then just accrue stats and lose

[digamma]

Went to the game last night. Kobe in the last four minutes was absolutely ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I hate me some Rapist as much as the next guy, but it was fun to watch in person. The travel in OT was amazing. The refs can't make that call unless it is blatantly obvious. And, it was.

[Fouts]

Lakers were down by 9 late in the game and it wasn't going well, so I went to bed. I had no idea they went to OT. Kobe must have started hitting shots.

Unfortunately, I don't see them getting past the Suns or Mavs in the playoffs. Maybe they'll pick up some talent in the off-season.

[bulletsponge]

Maybe they'll pick up some talent in the off-season.

well if you listen to the sports media every big name player whos a FA or unhappy will be linked to them.

[molson]

Or he just decided to put personal goals in front of team goals.

Do you honestly believe that the Lakers would be a better team if Kobe decided to limit his offensive contributions?

[bulletsponge]

Do you honestly believe that the Lakers would be a better team if Kobe decided to limit his offensive contributions?


it worked for Jordan and the Bulls. then again Kobe isnt Jordan

[miami_fan]

it worked for Jordan and the Bulls. then again Kobe isnt Jordan

What year did Jordan limit his offensive contributions?

[molson]

What year did Jordan limit his offensive contributions?

Don't you remember that year when he stopped becoming a 30+ ppg scoring ball-hog because Will Perdue and Stacey King could score just as easily?

[Neon_Chaos]

Don't you remember that year when he stopped becoming a 30+ ppg scoring ball-hog because Will Perdue and Stacey King could score just as easily?

I remember MJ actually dishing out 15 assists to Scott Burrell, who scored a career-high 56.