2007 FOFC-NFL Mock Draft!

[DeToxRox]

Rules

1. Trades WILL be allowed. Players CAN be traded as long as it makes enough sense. We hear Randy Moss for a draft pick is viable so that is something allowable. If a trade looks crazy we will disallow it.

2. We'll try and do as many rounds as possible until draft day if everyone is interested.

3. Post your pick (bold it) in this thread and this is most important, PM the person picking after you to let them know they're on the clock. The owner list is located here: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=58022

4. I won't enforce a strict time limit right away for picks but try and get the picks in a decent time. If it seems like the person picking has gone AWOL I'll pick for them using a combination of mock drafts to make a consensus pick.

5. Have fun!

Note - If you are hearing offers for a certain pick then post it here.

1. Oakland - Danny
2. Detroit - DeToxRox
3. Cleveland - Bearcat729
4. Tampa Bay -Karlfornia
5. Arizona - stevew
6. Washington - HiFiRevival
7. Minnesota - Bulletsponge
8. Atlanta - Edward64
9. Miami - Leonidas
10. Houston - rockboy70
11. San Francisco - Logan
12. Buffalo - mckerney
13. St. Louis - Dunleavy
14. Carolina - RedKingGold
15. Pittsburgh - Swaggs
16. Green Bay - Arles
17. Jacksonville - fjvieane
18. Cincinnati - JPhillips
19. Tennessee - Ragone
20. New York Giants -SteveMax58
21. Denver - CU Tiger
22. Dallas - TazFTW
23. Kansas City - Schmidty
24. New England - Sublime 2
25. New York Jets -JetsIn06
26. Philadelphia - johnnyshaka
27. New Orleans - Tigercat
28. New England - Sublime 2
29. Baltimore - M GO BLUE!!!
30. San Diego - bhlloy
31. Chicago - Mustang
32. Indianapolis - NoblePlatypus

With that, the Oakland Raiders are on the clock.

1 Oakland Raiders - WR Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech
2 Detroit Lions - QB JaMarcus Russell, LSU
3 Cleveland Browns OT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers DT Amobi Okoye, Louisville
5 Green Bay Packers (from AZ) RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
6 Washington Redskins FS Laron Landry, LSU
7 Minnesota Vikings DE Gaines Adams, Clemson
8 Atlanta Falcons OT Levi Brown, Penn State
9 Miami Dolphins QB Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
10 Carolina (from HOU) LB Patrick Willis, Ole Miss
11 San Francisco 49ers DE Adam Carriker, Nebraska
12 Buffalo Bills DT Alan Branch, Michigan
13 St. Louis Rams DE Jamaal Anderson, Arkansas
14 Houston Texans DB Leon Hall, Michigan
15 Pittsburgh Steelers OLB Paul Posluszny, Penn State
16 Arizona Cardinals (From GB) OT Joe Staley, Central Michigan
17 Jacksonville Jaguars WR Ted Ginn Jr, Ohio State
18 Cincinnati Bengals FS Reggie Nelson, Florida
19 Tennessee Titans WR Robert Meachem, Tennessee
20 New York Giants OLB Lawrence Timmons, Florida State University
21 Denver Broncos LB Jon Beason, Miami
22 Dallas Cowboys CB Darrelle Revis, Pittsburgh
23 Kansas City Chiefs WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU
24 New England Patriots RB Marshawn Lynch, Cal
25 New York Jets CB Aaron Ross, Texas
26 Philadelphia Eagles S Michael Griffin, Texas
27 New Orleans Saints DT Justin Harrell, Tennessee
28 New England Patriots S Brandon Meriweather, Miami
29 Baltimore Ravens OG Justin Blalock, Texas
30 San Diego Chargers WR Dwayne Jarrett, USC
31 Chicago Bears OT Tony Ugoh, Arkansas
32 Arizona Cardinals (From IND) DE Anthony Spencer, Purdue

33. Oakland TE Greg Olsen, Miami
34. Detroit CB Chris Houston, Arkansas
35. Tampa Bay DE Jarvis Moss, Florida
36. Cleveland OG Ben Grubbs, Auburn
37. Chicago WR Sydney Rice, South Carolina
38. Indianapolis WR Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State
39. Atlanta DE Charles Johnson, Georiga
40. San Francisco (from Miami) - ILB, David Harris, Michigan
41. Minnesota - DE, Lamarr Woodley, Michigan
42. Miami (from San Francisco) - CB, Daymeion Hughes, California
43. Buffalo - FB, Brian Leonard, Rutgers
44. Atlanta - CB, Marcus McCauley, Fresno State
45. Carolina - C, Ryan Kalil, USC
46. Pittsburgh - DE, Quentin Moses, Georgia
47. Arizona (from Green Bay) - DT, Tank Tyler, NC State
48. Jacksonville - S, Aaron Rouse, Virginia Tech
49. Cincinnati - DE, Ikaika Alama-Francis, Hawaii
50. Tennessee - CB, Eric Wright, UNLV
51. New York Giants - OT,Ryan Harris, Notre Dame
52. St. Louis QB Drew Stanton, Michigan State
53. Dallas WR Steve Smith, USC
54. Kansas City Aaron Sears, Tennessee
55. Seattle TE Zach Miller, Arizona State
56. Denver DE Tim Crowder, Texas
57. Philadelphia DT Quinn Pitcock, Ohio State
58. New Orleans S/CB Eric Weddle, Utah
59. New York Jets DE Victor Abiamiri, Notre Dame
60. Miami (from New England) DT Ray McDonald, Florida
61. Baltimore LB Brandon Siller, Florida
62. San Diego LB H.B. Blades, Pittsburgh
63. New York Jets (from Chicago) OT James Marten, Boston College
64. Tampa Bay (from Indianapolis) WR Andraue Allison, East Carolina

65. Oakland QB Trent Edwards, Stanford
66. Detroit LB Buster Davis, Florida State
67. Cleveland RB Antonio Pittman, Ohio State
68. Tampa Bay RB Lorenzo Booker, Florida State
69. Arizona OT Alan Barbre, Missouri Southern State
70. Denver (from Washington)WR Jason Hill, Washington State
71. Miami OT Doug Free, Northern Illinois
72. Minnesota DB Tanard Jackson, Syracuse
73. Houston WR David Clowney, Virginia Tech
74. Buffalo TE Matt Spaeth, Minnesota
75. Atlanta RB Kenny Irons, Auburn
76. San Francisco WR Craig Davis, LSU
77. Pittsburgh RB Michael Bush, Louisville
78. Green Bay S Sabby Piscitelli, Oregon State
79. Jacksonville OG Manuel Ramirez, Texas Tech
80. Tennessee RB Chris Henry, Arizona
81. New York Giants K Mason Crosby, Colorado
82. St. Louis RB Brandon Jackson, Nebraska
83. Houston (From Carolina) OT Marshal Yanda, Iowa
84. Kansas City CB Fred Bennett, South Carolina
85. Seattle OG Andy Allman, Pittsburgh
86. Denver S Josh Gattis, Wake Forest
87. Dallas C Samson Satele, Hawaii
88. New Orleans CB Josh Wilson, Maryland
89. New York Jets NT Paul Soliai, Utah
90. Philadelphia LB Justin Durant, Hampton
91. New England DB Jonathan Wade, Tennesse
92. Buffalo (from Baltimore) QB Troy Smith, Ohio State
93. San Diego DL Brandon Mebane, California
94. Chicago OG Josh Beekman, Boston College
95. Indianapolis LB Rufus Alexander, Oklahoma
96. San Diego (compensatory) DB Gerald Alexander, Boise State
97. San Francisco (compensatory) LB Stephan Nicholes, South Florida
98. Indianapolis (compensatory) DT Jay Alford, Penn State
99. Oakland RB Tony Hunt, Penn State

100. Oakland DT Marcus Thomas, Florida
101. Detroit DE Dan Bazuin, Central Michigan
102. Tampa Bay QB Kevin Kolb, Houston
103. Cleveland DB Kenny Scott, Georgia Tech
104. San Francisco (from Washington) S Marvin White, TCU
105. Indianapolis (From Arizona) DT Turk Mcbride, Tennessee
106. Minnesota WR Paul Williams, Fresno State
107. Houston DE Jay Moore, Nebraska
108. Miami TE Scott Chandler, Iowa
109. Atlanta S Michael Johnson, Arizona
110. San Francisco DT Antonio Johnson, Mississippi State
111. Buffalo RB Darius Walker, Notre Dame
112. Arizona (From Green Bay) TE Ban Patrick, Delware
113. Jacksonville
114. Cincinnati
115. Tennessee
116. New York Giants
117. St. Louis
118. Carolina
119. Pittsburgh
120. Seattle
121. Atlanta (from Denver)
122. Dallas
123. New Orleans (from Kansas City)
124. San Francisco (from NY Jets)
125. New Orleans (from Philadelphia)
126. New Orleans
127. New England
128. Tennessee (from Baltimore)
129. San Diego
130. Chicago
131. Indianapolis
132. Pittsburgh (compensatory)
133. Atlanta (compensatory)
134. Baltimore (compensatory)
135. San Francisco (compensatory)
136. Indianapolis (compensatory)
137. Baltimore (compensatory)

[DeToxRox]

The Detroit Lions are taking offers for the 2nd pick in the draft.

[DeToxRox]

With the first pick in the 2007 FOFC-NFL Mock Draft the Oakland Raiders select WR from Georgia Tech Calvin Johnson!!

The Detroit Lions are on the clock

[Edward64]

The Detroit Lions are taking offers for the 2nd pick in the draft.

If allowed ...

Atlanta would like to trade Michael Vick and 2007 1st Round (8th overall) for Detroit 2007 1st Round (2nd overall).

[JPhillips]

No offense to Edward, but this trade is why I think trading players is such a bad idea.

[Logan]

BOOOOOO trading players.

[RedKingGold]

Atlanta would like to trade Michael Vick and 2007 1st Round (8th overall) for Detroit 2007 1st Round (2nd overall).

Should not be around for its unrealisticness

[Edward64]

Obviously this is derailing the intent of the thread. Don't know why its unrealistic but will withdraw if it will get us going.

[bhlloy]

You don't know why it's not a good idea to swap your starting QB for a gain of 6 first round picks?

[DeToxRox]

With the 2nd pick in the 2007 FOFC NFL Mock Draft the Detroit Lions select QB from LSU JaMarcus Russell

Cleveland Browns on the clock

[Bearcat729]

While I would prefer for the Browns to trade down rather than pick at #3 I will make the following selection.

With the 3rd pick in the 2007 FOFC NFL Mock Draft the Cleveland Browns select LT Joe Thomas


I thought about taking Peterson or Quinn but neither one of them will be able to do anything with a bad line protecting them.

[rowech]

While I would prefer for the Browns to trade down rather than pick at #3 I will make the following selection.

With the 3rd pick in the 2007 FOFC NFL Mock Draft the Cleveland Browns select LT Joe Thomas


I thought about taking Peterson or Quinn but neither one of them will be able to do anything with a bad line protecting them.

I like that pick but I'd be very surprised if they pass on Quinn or Peterson.

[SteelerFan448]

I like that pick but I'd be very surprised if they pass on Quinn or Peterson.


They'd be smart to take Thomas though.

[RedKingGold]

I get the feeling that in real life, it'd be more likely that Detroit takes Thomas and the Browns jump for joy when they get Russell.

[Edward64]

You don't know why it's not a good idea to swap your starting QB for a gain of 6 first round picks?

6 years, avg rating 75.7, 2 head coaches, breakdown and loss of leadership the past 2 years, Ron Mexico, Airport water bottle incident ... Joey Harrington, Joe Horn and Petrino. What does this tell you?

Time to move on ... ala JaMarcus Russell.

[Logan]

6 years, avg rating 75.7, 2 head coaches, breakdown and loss of leadership the past 2 years, Ron Mexico, Airport water bottle incident ... Joey Harrington, Joe Horn and Petrino. What does this tell you?

Time to move on ... ala JaMarcus Russell.

So $30 million in guaranteed bonuses on the cap with Vick, and another $30 million in guarantees for Russell?

Yeah, no chance.

[Edward64]

So $30 million in guaranteed bonuses on the cap with Vick, and another $30 million in guarantees for Russell?

Yeah, no chance.

Don't think it was considered huh? The below seem to imply some deal could have been worked out.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=90916

The reported deal would send Oakland receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter plus the number one overall draft pick in the upcoming 2007 NFL Draft to the Falcons in exchange for Vick and the Falcons first round pick, which is number 10 overall in this year's draft.

[rowech]

Don't think it was considered huh? The below seem to imply some deal could have been worked out.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=90916

There is no way that trade is/was even close to happening. With Schaub gone, Vick is the man for at least this season. They aren't going to bring in some rookie QB. Petrino has uncategorically said he will be the man for his offense.

On the Joe Thomas front...my opinion is that he is a can't miss player. Quinn, Russell, Peterson, etc. all have questions about them. Thomas, to me, is a lock.

[Edward64]

There is no way that trade is/was even close to happening. With Schaub gone, Vick is the man for at least this season. They aren't going to bring in some rookie QB. Petrino has uncategorically said he will be the man for his offense.

I have been cautious of Schaub and his abilities. I remember being a Doug Johnson fan as a backup thinking he would be an able replacement. He had a chance in 2003 to replace injured Vick but did not do well (think Doug is in Cin now). Schaub is still unproven and think the Atl-Texan trade was good for Atlanta. Joey Harrington may well do just as well as Schaub.

I do not disagree with your statement, but my point was to show, although a trade may not occur, it was not without consideration.

* * * *

About Joe Thomas, I remember the same was said about Robert Gallery (paying attention because AR Shawn Andrews came out the same year for Philadelphia). Don't think there is ever a lock.

[Logan]

Don't think it was considered huh? The below seem to imply some deal could have been worked out.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=90916

There is no way that trade is/was even close to happening. With Schaub gone, Vick is the man for at least this season. They aren't going to bring in some rookie QB. Petrino has uncategorically said he will be the man for his offense.

". Not to mention that a "reported deal" means absolutely nothing.

[Danny]

Edward, that had no chance of happening. Atlanta could not afford Vick's cap hit, Moss, Porter and the #1 pick. I'm quite familiar with the Raiders salary cap situation and the hits and gains taken from trading players. I know Moss frees up about 6 million in cap room, while trading Jerry Porter for example causes a 3.3m cap hit.

If you guys want to disallow players being involved that's fine, though I would still prefer to deal Moss for picks. If not, that's cool, I'll line up Moss, Johnson and Porter

[Northwood_DK]

Guess Brady Quinn will have nightmares about a scenario like this. Guess he will now likely drop to #7 but no longer then #9.

[st.cronin]

Tampa wouldn't be interested in Quinn? I'm not so sure about that.

[Logan]

Robert Gallery's success or failure is still an unknown situation. He's not yet on an NFL team or receiving NFL coaching. Until then, he's still a stud college player from a school that has been churning out good OL for a few years now and playing for the worst franchise in the CFL doesn't change that.

There's 6 or 7 parts of this short paragraph that had me laughing.

[Karlifornia]

Sorry..haven't been around a computer in the past couple days...but with the 4th pick in the 2007 FOFC Mock Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select

Dt-Amobi Okoye-Louisville

Adrian Peterson isn't needed as Cadillac Williams is already lined up at halfback. Gaines Adams' talent is immense, but Tampa really has a hole in the interior line. Okoye's youth, combined with his talent makes him the pick.

[bulletsponge]

soon i will be picking. i hope i get the guy i want.

[rowech]

OMG! I was trying to trade down to take this guy in the middle of the round. Top 4 would be a HUGE reach. Great talent though, but at 19 years old, wow this is early.

This is who I want the Bengals to somehow get. Don't think he's going to fall that far though.

[bulletsponge]

OMG! I was trying to trade down to take this guy in the middle of the round. Top 4 would be a HUGE reach. Great talent though, but at 19 years old, wow this is early.

maybe. all i know is he isnt who im targeting at #7, so i like the pick then :)

[RedKingGold]

Sorry..haven't been around a computer in the past couple days...but with the 4th pick in the 2007 FOFC Mock Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select

Dt-Amobi Okoye-Louisville

Adrian Peterson isn't needed as Cadillac Williams is already lined up at halfback. Gaines Adams' talent is immense, but Tampa really has a hole in the interior line. Okoye's youth, combined with his talent makes him the pick.

I like Okoye's upside much more than Branch's at this point. So, if TBY needs an interior lineman, that is a solid pick. However, if this scenario does happen, I see a potential trade-up to get Quinn or Peterson (likely the Vikings or Dolphins) and the Bucs slide down a few spots to still pick up Okoye.

[CU Tiger]

I think Gruden would stain his pants picking Adams actually.
Not that I am biased or anything, but he was the only head coach to interview Adams at the combine. And then the only head coach to come to Clemsons pro day.

[Deattribution]

OMG! I was trying to trade down to take this guy in the middle of the round. Top 4 would be a HUGE reach. Great talent though, but at 19 years old, wow this is early.

Most people expect him to be off the board by the 6th pick and the 10th at the latest.

[RedKingGold]

I think Gruden would stain his pants picking Adams actually.
Not that I am biased or anything, but he was the only head coach to interview Adams at the combine. And then the only head coach to come to Clemsons pro day.

Who interview's who is usually a pretty large smoke-screen to a team's true intentions on draft day.

For example, take Jay Cutler. The Bronco's never met with Jay Cutler, Mike Shanahan never talked about Cutler to the press, they never talked with him at the combine, etc. etc. However, low and behold, the Bronco's traded up to get him. Another example would be TE Vernon Davis from last year. He only had minimal contact with the 49er's and was actually told by the Jet's that he would be their first round pick.

It is more important to see what a general manager is not saying between now and the draft than what he actually is saying.

[Schmidty]

Good pick, DeTox.

[Schmidty]

I think Gruden would stain his pants picking Kalimba Edwards Jr. actually.

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[JPhillips]

This is who I want the Bengals to somehow get. Don't think he's going to fall that far though.

If we got to #10 and Okoye was still available I was planning on offering a trade.

[rowech]

If we got to #10 and Okoye was still available I was planning on offering a trade.

What was it out of curiousity?

[Izulde]

I don't have a horse in this race, but I know who I want my fave team to pick.

[JPhillips]

What was it out of curiousity?

I would have hoped to get someone to take the fourth round pick, but that probably wouldn't be enough. Realistically I'd likely have to offer the second and get a late round pick in return. Not having a third round pick makes a 5-10 pick advance in round one difficult.

I'll see how thins play out, but I'm likely looking to trade down now. To try and be realistic for this year's Bengals I'm going to maintain a strict character check for all picks. I'm afraid that the defensive players left will be guys like Moss and Meriweather and I won't pick them even though they play need positions.

[rowech]

I would have hoped to get someone to take the fourth round pick, but that probably wouldn't be enough. Realistically I'd likely have to offer the second and get a late round pick in return. Not having a third round pick makes a 5-10 pick advance in round one difficult.

I'll see how thins play out, but I'm likely looking to trade down now. To try and be realistic for this year's Bengals I'm going to maintain a strict character check for all picks. I'm afraid that the defensive players left will be guys like Moss and Meriweather and I won't pick them even though they play need positions.

I think they might have an outside chance at getting Branch as I think he's going to slide. After that, I think it's Reggie Nelson or Pozulnozzy (sp.) but they might be able to slide down a bit and still get one of those guys.

[JPhillips]

I like Poz, but with Brooks starting at MLB I feel like that would be in effect two rookie starters at LB. Nelson is on my radar and if Branch falls I'll try to get him. I'd be really surprised though if he lasts into the double digits.

[Logan]

It's going to be raining like hell all over the Northeast tomorrow I believe. Let's get a lot of this done.

[DeToxRox]

Was gone all day yesterday but interesting pick at four, one I can definetly see though with how every year someone rises like made up the board (ie Whitner)

[JPhillips]

DeTox: Any chance of adding owners to the draft list? I'd like to know who we're waiting on.

[Dunleavy]

DeTox: Any chance of adding owners to the draft list? I'd like to know who we're waiting on.

and who to PM after making pick

[DeToxRox]

List included in first post.

[Logan]

Am I the only one who sees it in the original post?

edit: snaked.

[DeToxRox]

stevew I believe works weekend nights so we'll give him till tomorrow and once he picks (or if he still hasn't) I'll make the pick and we'll make sure to set an appropriate length between picks and make sure people PM a list of guysto go off if they can't make it.

[stevew]

stevew I believe works weekend nights so we'll give him till tomorrow and once he picks (or if he still hasn't) I'll make the pick and we'll make sure to set an appropriate length between picks and make sure people PM a list of guysto go off if they can't make it.

Shit, sorry guys, didn't realize this started. Worked about 40 hours in the last 3 days(not that anyone cares.)

[stevew]

In leiu of holding things up any longer, and trying to make a trade, the Arizona Cardinals select RB Adrian Petersen, Oklahoma.

Available for a reasonably fair chart trade down. If not, we'll run the hell out of the ball.

Sorry, I left the house Saturday at 4p, and worked like 26 of 33 hours(slept the other 6)


PM works.

[Julio Riddols]

Did you guys have a rule that says Brady Quinn has to be selected by a specific pick? Just thought I would ask.

[Arles]

stevew - sent a trade PM. Let me know if you want to do it.

Arles (GB)

[Bee]

I'll trade you Drew Bledsoe and a 6-pack for the pick. I don't think anyone would object since it's the Redskins. ;)

[DeToxRox]

I will note: Detroit Lions accepting offers for QB Jamarcus Russell

[Bee]

I will note: Detroit Lions accepting offers for QB Jamarcus Russell


How about Jerry Rice (since it's the Lions) and a 6-pack? ;)

[JPhillips]

So is the plan one pick per day?

[Mustang]

So is the plan one pick per day?

If you are up 3 picks from now and don't think you will be on for 12 hours.. just send a list of 3 picks in order. (I thought this was done last year)

[Bee]

I think Landry is probably the second best player in the draft. Not sure he'd go that early because of his position, but if I were a Redskins fan I'd be happy with the pick.

[DeToxRox]

As Mustang stated from here on out send me a list of 5 guys you'd like if you think you won't make it so we can keep moving.

[bulletsponge]

Damn i wanted Landry. ohh well i need a pass rusher too

Vikings select DE Gaines Adams Clemson

[rockboy70]

The Texans at the 10th pick will also be listening to offers to trade down.

[Edward64]

Falcons select OT Levi Brown.

AJC: With the 8th pick, the Falcons pick Levi Brown.

Unnamed Source: Yes. There was consideration given to move up and select Russell but after several heated meetings with Blank (Arthur) and the coaching staff, it was decided, due to cap space, to give Michael one last year to prove himself.

AJC: And selecting Levi Brown would solidify the Offensive line and provide that opportunity?

Unnamed Source: Yes, we expect Levi to start immediately. And if not for Michael then Joey. If Michael collapses again in the season, we believe we needed a franchise LT to protect Joey.

AJC: What about Wayne Grady?

Unnamed Source: We have already received some feelers for Wayne. It will be good to free up that cap space.

[DeToxRox]

Like the Brown pick and definetly what I see happening with the Falcons barring an alleged rumor that states they'll deal #8, their 2 seconds and a third to Detroit if CJ is there at 2.

[JPhillips]

If Miami doesn't take Quinn he could fall to 14(Panthers) or 16(Packers). I'm not sure all of these exact picks play out like above, but I think there's a good possibility that Quinn will take a fall like this in real life ala Rodgers a few years ago.

[RedKingGold]

The Texans at the 10th pick will also be listening to offers to trade down.

You have a PM, kind sir.

[RedKingGold]

TRADE MADE

The Houston Texans trade the 10th overall pick (1300 value points)

to the Carolina Panthers for the 14th overall pick (1100 value points), 83rd overall draft pick (175 value points), and Panther's 6th round pick (roughly 15 points).

[RedKingGold]

Analysis

There's only two potential players left on the board that I feel really fit the Panther's needs well. Giving up the 3rd overall pick is rough, but I doubt either of these players would be available at 14th overall.

[Schmidty]

Damn i wanted Landry. ohh well i need a pass rusher too

Vikings select DE Gaines Adams Clemson

I have an instinctual hate for Adams. I don't know why, but I just know he will be the biggest bust in the draft.

Write that down and bring this thing up if I am wrong.

[Karlifornia]

I have an instinctual hate for Adams. I don't know why, but I just know he will be the biggest bust in the draft.

Write that down and bring this thing up if I am wrong.

Hard to say...it's all a crapshoot..especially from the view we have.

[Schmidty]

Hard to say...it's all a crapshoot..especially from the view we have.

That statement makes sense, but as a Lions fan who has watched Kalimba Edwards for 3 years, I stand by my prediction.

[Leonidas]

Geeze guys. I wanted to be able to do something interesting with this pick, but man you left me no choice in the matter.

With the number nine pick, the Miami Dolphins select Brady Quinn, quarterback, Notre Dame University.

And for those speculating whether he would fall even further in real life, don't bother. Cam Cameron has indicated he has Brady Love and there is no way Miami wouldn't draft him if he were available.

[Izulde]

I'm not sold on Quinn.

I'd rather have Dewayne Jarrett or even Levi Brown if he falls that far.

[RedKingGold]

Never take much stock in what a coach says about a certain player this close to the draft. However, when we made the above trade, it was with an eye on landing either Quinn or the last true impact player of the first round in ILB Patrick Willis. Willis has the physical tools (4.38, strong, smart, and instinctive) and production in college to be the next "Ray Lewis".

The Panthers have a big need at inside linebacker with Chris Draft leaving the team and Dan Morgan's brain being more scrambled than bad diner food. Willis is a perfect fit for the Panther's 4-3 and will be their inside linebackers for the next decade. I'm not nearly as sold on other linebackers in this draft and feel that Willis is the closest to a sure thing left in the first round. While as a 49er's fan, I'm very much hoping that Willis falls to the 11th pick, I take him now for the Carolina Panthers.

10th overall selection - ILB Patrick Willis, Ole Miss

[Logan]

Thanks to RKG for the PM...

Clearly this trade was made to pluck Willis before the Niners could pick, but I wasn't going to grab him and my feeling is the real Niners won't either. I think he's a much better fit in the 4-3 than the 3-4.

If you told me a couple months ago that Alan Branch would be sitting there at 11, with the Niners desperate for a true NT, I would've said you're crazy. But he's started to fall, mostly due to concerns over his effort and willingness to play every down. That's not my concern though. Is Branch just too big to play NT? A 6'6" guy might not get the leverage needed.

All that being said, a DE is actually a bigger concern for SF than NT, with the age of Young and Douglas. While I don't love it, that's why I'll be passing on Branch for the guy I'm convinced SF will actually draft:

Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska.

A true 3-4 DE. Might lack the top end speed you look for in a pass rusher, but in the Niners system, I'm pretty sure he could still be an impact player.

[Leonidas]

I'm not sold on Quinn.

I'd rather have Dewayne Jarrett or even Levi Brown if he falls that far.Jarrett will be a second round pick. The NFL is kinda funny about wide receivers who can't break a 4.7 40. He's Mike Williams all over again.

[Logan]

Jarrett will be a second round pick. The NFL is kinda funny about wide receivers who can't break a 4.7 40. He's Mike Williams all over again.

Such a crock of shit (sentences 2 & 3 -- thankfully for my team, he might be there for their 2nd rounder).

There's 2 things similar between Williams and Jarrett: their school and the way they dominated in college.

For the record, Jarrett ran a 4.62 (but Jerry Rice does fit your description of WRs who can't break a 4.7). He also is fantastic at going up and getting the ball in traffic and will be a redzone stud because of that. I would take him in a second.

[Dr. Sak]

I'm also a big Jarrett fan. I think any team that gets him in the mid to late 2nd round got a huge steal. He's getting a bad rap only because he went to the same school and compares a lot with Mike Williams. They are two different people.

[RedKingGold]

I think what scare more people is Jarrett's apparent ego and attitude (see how he acted in the Rose Bowl game)

[albionmoonlight]

10th overall selection - ILB Patrick Willis, Ole Miss

Solid pick.

I think that Calvin Johnson, LaRon Landry, and Patrick Willis are the players in this draft with the best combination of Low Risk/High Upside.

[Dr. Sak]

I think what scare more people is Jarrett's apparent ego and attitude (see how he acted in the Rose Bowl game)

Anything he did that embarassed UM in that game is gravy in my eyes :)

[Logan]

btw, I PM'd mckerney.

RKG -- how do you feel about Carriker on the Niners? Would you have taken Branch?

[JPhillips]

I'm going to be away from the computer most of the day, so if we make it to 18 I'll have to pick tonight.

[Logan]

And yet no one wants to trade up and take Landry off my hands? I'm just asking for somewhat fair trade value.

I think safety is one of those positions (like OG) where it's very easy to find cheap and capable starters, so you have a few stud guys (Reed, Taylor, probably Landry, couple others) and a whole collection of solid players who can be replaced every few years by a similar player. The only time safety is a huge need on a team is when you need that stud to mask some other major deficiencies (like grabbing the punisher hitter who could come up and make the play on the RB because your ILBs can't do the job, or on the WR because your CBs are great cover guys but can't tackle).

[Bee]

Yep, no one wants to trade up and get a saftey IMO. If you're going to give up multiple players for a single player, I think it's best for that single player to be at a position that can really impact the team and not a more complimentary position like safety.

[Leonidas]

Such a crock of shit (sentences 2 & 3 -- thankfully for my team, he might be there for their 2nd rounder).

There's 2 things similar between Williams and Jarrett: their school and the way they dominated in college.

For the record, Jarrett ran a 4.62 (but Jerry Rice does fit your description of WRs who can't break a 4.7). He also is fantastic at going up and getting the ball in traffic and will be a redzone stud because of that. I would take him in a second.Williams was going to be a redzone stud too. And did you just compare Jarrett to Jerry Rice?

Getting back to my point, you'd waste the 1.9 on a guy you might get in the second?

[mckerney]

btw, I PM'd mckerney.

RKG -- how do you feel about Carriker on the Niners? Would you have taken Branch?


Thanks for the PM.


The Bills select Alan Branch, DT, Michigan

[Logan]

Williams was going to be a redzone stud too.

Williams was a moron who decided to follow in the immortal steps of Maurice Clarett, and as a result didn't play football for a year.

And did you just compare Jarrett to Jerry Rice?

No. But you are the one who decided a player's value by bringing up his (inaccurate) 40 time, a performance measure that has absolutely no bearing on the NFL game. Please tell me how often a WR lines up in a three-point stance and then gets a free explosion off the line as he runs in a straight line without needing to shed a defender or look back for the ball. Go ahead.

All I did was show an instance of the greatest receiver in NFL history becoming the greatest receiver in NFL history despite a "slow" 40 time.

[DeToxRox]

Order/picks updated.

[stevew]

The Arizona Cardinals have agreed to trade the rights to pick #5 to the Packers

for 2007 Round 1 - #16
2007 Round 2 - #15 (47)
2007 Round 4 - #13 (112)
2008 Round 3

[Logan]

The Arizona Cardinals have agreed to trade the rights to pick #5 to the Packers

for 2007 Round 1 - #16
2007 Round 2 - #15 (47)
2007 Round 4 - #13 (112)
2008 Round 3

Think that's an excellent deal for you. If you really need the RB, you can take a flyer on Lynch at 16 and still have a nice 2nd rounder (or two, I think you guys have your own #2, that could be packaged to move back into the 1st) to fill other spots. Or you could address OT at 16 and use those picks for other areas. Nice haul, and I don't even know how that measures up by the chart but I don't think it should matter.

From the Packers' perspective...it's a lot to give up for the improvement from Lynch to Peterson (in theory).

[Deattribution]

From the Packers' perspective...it's a lot to give up for the improvement from Lynch to Peterson (in theory).

Peterson is a stud if he stays healthy though, plus it would be a big splash for GB which could use it since the only thing they've seemed to do this off-season is flirt with Randy Moss.

It's difficult to say he's significantly better than Lynch but I like the trade.

[rockboy70]

Think that's an excellent deal for you. If you really need the RB, you can take a flyer on Lynch at 16 and still have a nice 2nd rounder (or two, I think you guys have your own #2, that could be packaged to move back into the 1st) to fill other spots. Or you could address OT at 16 and use those picks for other areas. Nice haul, and I don't even know how that measures up by the chart but I don't think it should matter.

From the Packers' perspective...it's a lot to give up for the improvement from Lynch to Peterson (in theory).

Looks to be a fair trade in terms of the cart. But I agree the Packers must really like AP, because they definitely have other needs. Losing the 2nd round pick is tough. But I can't say much since I am drafting for the Texans who will give up second round picks for backup QB's :D

[Logan]

Peterson is a stud if he stays healthy though, plus it would be a big splash for GB which could use it since the only thing they've seemed to do this off-season is flirt with Randy Moss.

It's difficult to say he's significantly better than Lynch but I like the trade.

I like it too. I'm 100% in the camp that it's better for a team to give up more (within reason) than the "experts" say they should have if it gets them the player that they really want, instead of settling for someone lesser. Also like how the Bills got reamed for the Whitner pick when he was the guy they wanted from the beginning, and they couldn't get anything decent for moving down, so they said "screw it" and took him -- and he was great last year.

[Arles]

Think that's an excellent deal for you. If you really need the RB, you can take a flyer on Lynch at 16 and still have a nice 2nd rounder (or two, I think you guys have your own #2, that could be packaged to move back into the 1st) to fill other spots. Or you could address OT at 16 and use those picks for other areas. Nice haul, and I don't even know how that measures up by the chart but I don't think it should matter.

From the Packers' perspective...it's a lot to give up for the improvement from Lynch to Peterson (in theory).
Peterson is rated in the top 3 by almost all scouting services. Lynch is somewhere in the 20s by most. While it may not seem like a lot, that's essentially the difference between someone like Matt Leinart and Jason Campbell at the QB spot.

The Packers have one of the younger teams in the league and have a ton of picks from the last 3 seasons still on the team. The only spots we need help from is WR/TE, RB and safety. We just filled the RB slot and have 5-6 more picks to work on the other two (not to mention FA). Still, what we needed from this draft more than anything was an impact offensive player - and we didn't feel anyone at #16 fit that bill.

[stevew]

Ideally I wanted to take Levi Brown at #5, but that was a major stretch in my mind anyways. We save money this way, plus will pick up another 2nd round pick.

[stevew]

Think that's an excellent deal for you. If you really need the RB, you can take a flyer on Lynch at 16 and still have a nice 2nd rounder (or two, I think you guys have your own #2, that could be packaged to move back into the 1st) to fill other spots. Or you could address OT at 16 and use those picks for other areas. Nice haul, and I don't even know how that measures up by the chart but I don't think it should matter.

From the Packers' perspective...it's a lot to give up for the improvement from Lynch to Peterson (in theory).

Yeah, I'll definitely be looking to move into the first round again.

[Dunleavy]

the Rams take DE Jamaal Anderson, Arkansas

[Danny]

Good deal for Arles, Adrian is one of the 3 best players in the draft and he got the better end based on the draft pick value chart. I also like Lynch, but AD is one of only two real game breaker type pf players in this draft.

Probably a good deal for Steve also though, Arizona has many needs, especially on defense and getting the extra picks will be helpful.

[rockboy70]

With the 14th pick the Houston Texans select:
Leon Hall - CB - Michigan

A solid corner to go with Dunta Robinson, and upgrade the secondary for the Texans. It worked out well to be able to move down a few slots, pick up a couple extra draft picks, and get the guy I probably would have taken at the 10th spot.

[mckerney]

Damn i wanted Landry. ohh well i need a pass rusher too

Vikings select DE Gaines Adams Clemson

I'd like either of those two on the Vikings, though I'm hoping for a DE. I think someone who could put pressure on the QB would go a long way towards fixing the problems they had on defense last season. It'll be nice if James comes back healthy, but they can't rely upon that and really need to address the DE through the draft with adding nothing so far). Adams and Scott with James replacing Scott in passing situations if he can come back would greatly improve the pass defense.

[Swaggs]

Pittsburgh Steelers select OLB Paul Posluszny from Penn State

I would have loved Leon Hall here and it may be a handful of picks early for Poz, but he fills the need at OLB created by Joey Porter's departure and he is polished enough to come in and start from day 1 opposite of Clark Haggans and versatile/big enough to play OLB in a 3-4 or 4-3 should we switch down the road.

[stevew]

The Arizona Cardinals select Offensive Tackle Joe Staley from Central Michigan.

Probably 3-5 picks too early for Staley, but I didn't feel like trying to trade down again, and the Rams took Jamaal Anderson, who I hoped would fall. I think we can pencil in Staley to protect Leinarts blind side for the next 10 years.

[fjvieane]

Well almost everything I have read pointed to Posluszny, but he is gone.

So Jags take WR Ted Ginn Jr.

[Logan]

The Arizona Cardinals select Offensive Tackle Joe Staley from Central Michigan.

Probably 3-5 picks too early for Staley, but I didn't feel like trying to trade down again, and the Rams took Jamaal Anderson, who I hoped would fall. I think we can pencil in Staley to protect Leinarts blind side for the next 10 years.

That was the guy I figured you were targeting, and that was the perfect spot for him. Great job.

[fjvieane]

Welcome to Desmond Howard Jr. May you have a long and mediocre career with one great return game when it matters.

ROFL, I was thinking RJ Soward :p

[DeToxRox]

Studying for finals but I'll be updated the main post shortly.

[JPhillips]

Fuck you Houston, St. Louis, and Pittsburgh.

I'm open to trade offers for any pick in the first round. If I don't hear anything by tomorrow morning I'm planning on taking Reggie Nelson. So if you want him, make an offer.

[Ragone]

sent my pick at 19 via pm to Detoxrox..i won't be around when the bengals pick :)

[Bee]

Peterson *might* be one of the 3 best offensive players in this draft, but I'd put him 4th behind Johnson, Russell and Thomas. On defense, Adams, Landry, Okoye, Willis, and Anderson are guys I'd rate ahead of him for sure.

I think Peterson is definitely a top 5 player in this draft based purely on talent. That being said, I think the trade is very risky for Green Bay. Giving up several good draft picks to move up and take a RB who has durability issues isn't something I'd do unless I was just a player or two short of a Superbowl team.

[JPhillips]

So, at number 18 the Bengals pick,

Reggie Nelson - S

Honestly I'm not thrilled with this pick. Nelson is far and away the BPA on the defensive side, but safety isn't much of a need for the Bengals. I thought about taking Revis, but I don't like a corner with a 4.54 forty. Thomas and Moss are still available on the line, but the Bengals can't afford another character risk.

The coaching staff has made hints that Williams could move to corner, and if he can Nelson will really help the secondary. If Williams can't make the change I've now got three safeties for two spots.

[Logan]

I thought about taking Revis, but I don't like a corner with a 4.54 forty.

Not to pick on you at all, but here's a beautiful example of how the 40 doesn't mean shit. I watched Revis play a lot; he was a complete blur running around the field. I don't recall him ever losing a foot race, and he was always the guy to catch someone from behind (the biggest play of Rutgers' season would have been a 90 yard TD if Revis didn't chase down Ray Rice, but his pursuit held it to only a 60 yard gain). All season long commentators were basically foaming at the mouth, speculating on how low his 40 would be. And when that happened, coupled with his cover skills, he would be a lock top 10 pick.

If for some reason he doesn't succeed in the NFL, it won't be because he's allegedly a step too slow.

[johnnyshaka]

JPhillips, I was tempted to send you an offer for the pick as safety is one of our (Philly) need positions, but I decided against it because I simply didn't want to give up the extra picks and there are a couple of other safeties on the board that I wouldn't be disappointed with.

[JPhillips]

Merriweather will be a good safety, but his character issues are a huge red flag for me.

As for Revis, I never saw him. I still think Nelson was the BPA on defense and if he's there at 18 it wouldn't be at all surprising to see them take him. I've got my eye on a cb for round 2.

[Mustang]

There is no way that Ted Thompson would do a trade like that. He values draft picks too much.

[Arles]

There is no way that Ted Thompson would do a trade like that. He values draft picks too much.
I agree completely. In his 6+ years as a GM, he's never traded up. But, Ted Thompson isn't the GM in this draft, I am :p

[Mustang]

I agree completely. In his 6+ years as a GM, he's never traded up. But, Ted Thompson isn't the GM in this draft, I am :p

Well then, as the Packers GM, you are going to go down in history as brilliant or a donkey and sports talk radio would reflect that sentiment the next day. Don't be fooled by the Packers 8-8 record, this is a team that needs WR, RB, TE, S and DL help and is still extremely young.

[johnnyshaka]

Merriweather will be a good safety, but his character issues are a huge red flag for me.

He isn't a guy we'd consider...we've seen what T.O. did to this team...there's no need to go through that again. Not saying that Merriweather is a T.O. type of personality, but a distraction is a distraction no matter how you put it.

I wouldn't be upset if we ended up with Michael Griffin or else there are a few interesting options that will likely be available in the next couple of rounds. With that said, we're pretty flexible with this pick as we have a couple of needs and we'll probably go with the BPA at one of those positions as we don't really have our on eye on one particular guy or position.

By the way, JPhillips, how's the drill bit set? ;)

[JPhillips]

Thanks much for it. I'm very happy with both the bits and the bag as I can carry the drill and bits together.

Griffin makes a lot of plays and he'll be a good pick if that's the way you go.

[DeToxRox]

With the 19th pick the Tennessee Titans select WR from Tennessee, Robert Meachem.

[Logan]

As for Revis, I never saw him.

Yeah, my defense of him wasn't along the lines of "You shoud have taken him despite his mediocre 40 time." Just wanted another example of why 40 times don't matter (which of course, Leonidas hasn't argued).

[Logan]

With the 19th pick the Tennessee Titans select WR from Tennessee, Robert Meachem.

Nice pick. I was debating how much I would be willing to give up if he fell much further, recognizing that I couldn't come up this high. I think he's the clear cut #2 WR, but there's excellent depth at this position.

[stevew]

I'm offering 2(6) and 3(5) for the next 3-4 picks until my next target is gone.

[johnnyshaka]

Thanks much for it. I'm very happy with both the bits and the bag as I can carry the drill and bits together.

Glad you like it...wasn't sure if the cat was ever let out of the bag that I was your Secret Santa as I lost track of that thread...LOL!!! Not terribly creative...but, I figured it would be something you'd get some use out of.

Griffin makes a lot of plays and he'll be a good pick if that's the way you go.

Dawkins, sadly, is nearing the end of his career and Griffin could be the guy to take his place.

[SteveMax58]

With the 20th pick the New York Giants select Lawrence Timmons, Florida State University.

We needed a new LT, and Timmons brings athleticism, intensity & playmaking ability to our weakened LB corps.

[TazFTW]

The Cowboys (pick #22) may be interested in trading down.

[Leonidas]

Interesting how we value players so differently from the "experts". Nobody wanted Quinn. I only took him because a) Miami badly needs a QB and b) I'd be stupid not to take the best QB available worth a #9 or better because of a). Not that I personally have a great feeling about him, he was just the BPA who happened to fit our biggest need who actually had the right value for the pick.

Levi Brown goes 8. Nobody in the draft expert world is putting him that high.

We have a couple folks putting Meacham up above Bowe of LSU, not seeing that anywhere else.

We had Posluszny go kinda high and Anderson go kind of low. Also had Okoye go pretty high.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any of it as I think everyone had very good justification. I'm just finding it very interesting.

[stevew]

The Cowboys (pick #22) may be interested in trading down.

I made an offer a few posts up, assuming my guy doesnt go at 21, if you are interested.

[stevew]

\

Levi Brown goes 8. Nobody in the draft expert world is putting him that high.



I'll make a friendly wager that he goes in the top 10.

[Leonidas]

I'll make a friendly wager that he goes in the top 10.
If Quinn, Okoye, Gaines, and Landry are gone I could see Miami taking him.

[SteveMax58]

We have a couple folks putting Meacham up above Bowe of LSU, not seeing that anywhere else.


I actually agree with this evaluation. I think Bowe has a lot of upside, but I think Meacham has similar upside with more experience to play up to it sooner. Neither is a bad pick though.

[TazFTW]

I made an offer a few posts up, assuming my guy doesnt go at 21, if you are interested.

Yeah, I saw that but I'm looking for a trade that would keep me in the first round.

[SteelerFan448]

Pittsburgh Steelers select OLB Paul Posluszny from Penn State

I would have loved Leon Hall here and it may be a handful of picks early for Poz, but he fills the need at OLB created by Joey Porter's departure and he is polished enough to come in and start from day 1 opposite of Clark Haggans and versatile/big enough to play OLB in a 3-4 or 4-3 should we switch down the road.


A little high for Poz, but he should be a solid player for years. He would be a nice fit in the 4-3, but he wouldn't fit in at OLB in the 3-4. I personally think James Harrison is undersized to play there and he'll be starting for the Steelers this year. Poz is listed at 6'1" and about 240 lbs. I don't know how he is going to be able to get around 6'6" 320 lb tackles. The Steelers need a player around 260-270 to play OLB in the 3-4 nowadays.

[stevew]

A little high for Poz, but he should be a solid player for years. He would be a nice fit in the 4-3, but he wouldn't fit in at OLB in the 3-4. I personally think James Harrison is undersized to play there and he'll be starting for the Steelers this year. Poz is listed at 6'1" and about 240 lbs. I don't know how he is going to be able to get around 6'6" 320 lb tackles. The Steelers need a player around 260-270 to play OLB in the 3-4 nowadays.

If the draft breaks like it does here, we're pretty well stuck taking Poz I guess, or trading down.

My favs for this pick are Levi Brown, Jamaal Anderson, Patrick Willis, Adam Carriker in no order, but all may be gone.

I read something about #15 and our 2nd to the Fins for #9 and the Pats second, if that happens I would be happy(doesn't chart out right either)...

[Arles]

Well then, as the Packers GM, you are going to go down in history as brilliant or a donkey and sports talk radio would reflect that sentiment the next day. Don't be fooled by the Packers 8-8 record, this is a team that needs WR, RB, TE, S and DL help and is still extremely young.
First, RB would be filled by Peterson (so that's one down). Next, I think their DL is very solid. Last season they got 37 sacks from their DL (including 4 players with 6 or more) and they ranked 15th against the run. Their entire group is back and I doubt any 2nd or 4th round pick would rank that much better than Kampman, Jenkins, KGB, Corey Williams, Pickett and Mike Montgomery. They are all under 30 as well. PLus, we still have other 1st and 2nd year guys there like Jolly and Cole. So using one of the traded picks there would be a marginal (if at all) improvement.

So, now we are left with WR, TE and S. WR is a need but I'm guessing a vet will be brought in (Moss seems to be the popular choice).

Therefore, it comes down to whether the 2nd and 4th round picks would have drastically improved the WR, TE and S spots more than grabbing someone via FA or with GB's other 6 picks they have remaining. I tend to think not as both those positions seem to be fairly prevalent in FA. Plus, given the Packers have a ton of cap space, I'd rather be put in a position where we spend a little on TE and S guys via FA than bank on a 4th round pick to fill one spot.

In the end, this team needs another impact offensive player to be relevant. That's doubtful to happen at 16 so trading up to get Peterson may be enough to get GB in the playoffs next season. And, given GB has 16 players still on its current roster from the past two drafts, there's not a big need for an influx of young depth guys on this roster. With Peterson, this year's 3rd and 5 second day picks (not to mention a ton of cap space), GB is still OK filling spots even after trading their 2nd and 4th.

[Schmidty]

Damn, I guess it's my pick. It would have been nice to recieve a PM, since I've barely been on the past two days.

Give me a few minutes.

[Schmidty]

Damn, I guess it's my pick. It would have been nice to recieve a PM, since I've barely been on the past two days.

Give me a few minutes.

Damn, I guess you're wrong, dumbass.

[Edward64]

Levi Brown goes 8. Nobody in the draft expert world is putting him that high.


No premium draft service but #8 and #10.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/04/10/mock.draft5.part1/index.html

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6693254

[TazFTW]

*bump*

[Mustang]

When you have to bump a mock draft thread.. you know the last pick has been a while back.

[Danny]

Denver is still causing problems!

[Noble_Platypus]

Too bad we cant run up to the podium with our cards and bypass Denver. We wont get 1 round done by the actual draft, let alone 4

[Logan]

No premium draft service but #8 and #10.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/04/10/mock.draft5.part1/index.html

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6693254

And no draft expert had Donte Whitner in the top 20 last year, and he ended up going #9. The Bills got killed for it, but he was a great contributor last year.

I don't really agree with it, but John Clayton also reported that if the Niners decide to overhaul their OL and get extra picks for trading Justin Smiley for Kwame Harris (which would be used on defense), Levi Brown could be their guy at 11. Once again showing that Leonidas doesn't have a clue.

Denver is still causing problems!

I say we give him another hour...after that, I hear Mo Clarett is available.

edit: And didn't DeTox already tell people to send a list? Let's just give him someone and move along...this is only fun if you get through the whole thing. Whoever the Denver owner is...don't worry, we'll understand if your draft sucks because you didn't get to pick your own 1st rounder. We won't publically humiliate you.

[Logan]

Not to be a dick, but our offending party, CU Tiger, has been online since the last pick was made. According to his profile, his AIM handle is crashtiger...anybody with AIM wanna see if he's online and annoy him?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Let's just assume Denver sends this pick to Washington for some insane amount of picks...

[Noble_Platypus]

This is killing us. Why trade down for more picks if you never get to make them because some guy never makes his pick? Its especially maddening when they have actually been online and still didnt do it, as opposed to never logging on at all

[Logan]

To be fair, it's also possible that CU did send a list to DeTox, and he's just not here posting it (although he was last on around 3am today).

[Noble_Platypus]

I think I will start scouting who is coming out next year because by the time my pick comes around they will be eligible

[Leonidas]

Once again showing that Leonidas doesn't have a clue.

You made your point. Could do without the insults, thank you.

[Swaggs]

A little high for Poz, but he should be a solid player for years. He would be a nice fit in the 4-3, but he wouldn't fit in at OLB in the 3-4. I personally think James Harrison is undersized to play there and he'll be starting for the Steelers this year. Poz is listed at 6'1" and about 240 lbs. I don't know how he is going to be able to get around 6'6" 320 lb tackles. The Steelers need a player around 260-270 to play OLB in the 3-4 nowadays.

Most NFL outside linebackers are between 235-250 lbs. For the Steelers in recent history: Clark Haggans is listed at 243, Joey Porter at 250, Chad Brown (who is bigger now than when he first played for the Steelers) is listed at 245, Greg Lloyd played at 235, Jason Gildon at 253, and Kevin Greene was around 235-240.

There are the outliers that weight 215 or 270, but for the most part Posluszny's size is comprable to other OLBs that have played well in the 3-4. Obviously, you'd love to have the same athleticism with the guy weighing 270, but there are only a handful of athletes that have that size and speed, and most of them end up playing more "high-dollar" positions, like DE or TE.

[DeToxRox]

With the 21st pick in the NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select LB from Miami Jon Beason

[DeToxRox]

I picked for Denver because the wait got too long.

[TazFTW]

I'm here. I'll wait for a hour to see if anyone wants to trade up.

[Noble_Platypus]

Thanks to Denver people have had all kinds of time to decide if they want to trade up. You should probably just pick.

[stevew]

I'd still love to trade up, to reiterate, the offer is 2(6) and 3(5) till pick 23 or 24. After that point I'd have to get back a 5th, figuring "chart value"

[Logan]

You made your point. Could do without the insults, thank you.

And I'm sure we can all do without your smartass remarks (the NFL is kinda funny about not wanting slow WRs; no draft expert in the world has him that high...).

A simple "interesting pick that could be debated" would be sufficient.

edit: Oh, and here's a guy (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html) who is as close to a "draft expert" as you'll get on the internet, having Meachem going 8 picks ahead of Bowe.

[TazFTW]

With the 22nd pick, the Dallas Cowboys select CB, Darrelle Revis, Pittsburgh.

Cowboys could use some depth/youth at WR and CB and I feel Revis is the best player available of those two positions.

PMing Schmidty...

[Schmidty]

23. Kansas City Chiefs select - WR - Dwayne Bowe, LSU

Gotta go with the best available WR.

[Sublime 2]

I'm here...just gonna check a couple things before I pick.

[Mustang]

2 picks within 10 minutes?

Strike up the band...


Having said that, I'll probably turn into a donkey when pick #30 is posted at 10:30 at night and I don't see it until 9:00 the next morning..

[Sublime 2]

stevew, you got a pm.

[Noble_Platypus]

Just so everyone knows ahead of time the Colts are looking to move down from #32 if anyone is interested. I know people will want to see who falls but I just want to throw that out now.

[Danny]

You guys can always send a pm to detox with your pick if you won't be around for a little while

[Sublime 2]

Alright, I waited a bit, but I don't want to hold it up any longer:

24. The New England Patriots select - RB from California - Marshawn Lynch

I think, easily the BPA, and with Maroney coming off shoulder surgery at the end of the season we'll grab a great insurance policy. I would've liked to trade back a bit, but this mock has been held up way too much already.


edit: to add pick number

[st.cronin]

Alright, I waited a bit, but I don't want to hold it up any longer:

24. The New England Patriots select - RB from California - Marshawn Lynch

I think, easily the BPA, and with Maroney coming off shoulder surgery at the end of the season we'll grab a great insurance policy. I would've liked to trade back a bit, but this mock has been held up way too much already.


edit: to add pick number

That would be fantastic. I don't think there's any way he lasts that long, though.

[JetsIn06]

The New York Jets select...

CB Aaron Ross, Texas

[Sublime 2]

That would be fantastic. I don't think there's any way he lasts that long, though.

I agree...once he got to 20 I thought about trying to trade up a bit to get him, so I definitely can't complain about getting him at 24.

[johnnyshaka]

Back to back Longhorns come off the board the Eagles select...

S Michael Griffin, Texas

[Sublime 2]

Back to back Longhorns come off the board the Eagles select...

S Michael Griffin, Texas

Damn...hoped he'd last to 28.

[johnnyshaka]

Damn...hoped he'd last to 28.

Very happy with this pick, for sure.

Had Griffin not been available, I probably would've went with help on the defensive line, probably Jarvis Moss or maybe somebody to eventually replace Trotter in the middle like David Harris. Greg Olsen at TE was also a possibility.

EDIT: Actually, Sublime 2...I fully expected Griffin to go to you with the 24th...the Lynch pick surprised me somewhat.

[bulletsponge]

Alright, I waited a bit, but I don't want to hold it up any longer:

24. The New England Patriots select - RB from California - Marshawn Lynch

I think, easily the BPA, and with Maroney coming off shoulder surgery at the end of the season we'll grab a great insurance policy. I would've liked to trade back a bit, but this mock has been held up way too much already.


edit: to add pick number

he might be the BPA, but should you use 1st rounders for "insurance"?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

he might be the BPA, but should you use 1st rounders for "insurance"?

Hey, next year he can take another RB and make Millen jealous!

[Tigercat]

The New Orleans Saints select: Justin Harrell, DT, Tennessee

Most talented player left on the board, IMO, and an area of depth needed for the Saints. All the CBs on the board rate as second round type material, so that will have to wait.

[SteveMax58]

Back to back Longhorns come off the board the Eagles select...

S Michael Griffin, Texas

Good pick...I had Griffin or Timmons pegged, and had to take Timmons since we have a huge hole at the WLB position. I really like Griffin, though.

[stevew]

shit, I wanted to trade up and take Harrell. Ah, the price you pay when you have to go to bed at 4pm for a midnight shift.

[johnnyshaka]

Good pick...I had Griffin or Timmons pegged, and had to take Timmons since we have a huge hole at the WLB position. I really like Griffin, though.

Thanks, pretty much a no-brainer on my part...BPA at a need position.

[Sublime 2]

he might be the BPA, but should you use 1st rounders for "insurance"?

Well I agree, but...it's not like I'm drafting an insurance QB. I don't see anything wrong with drafting a RB who could/should go possibly ten picks earlier than 24. Especially if the RB in front of him (Maroney) has yet to prove he can carry a full load. There are obviously bigger needs at S, CB, and ILB...but I couldn't see taking someone who could be taken 4 picks later at the 28 spot. Unfortunately, I fully expected Griffin to last till 28, so my plan did backfire a bit. With all that said:

28. The New England Patriots select - from Miami - Brandon Meriweather S

He may not pass the (possibly overrated) 'Patriot Character' test, but I think Meriweather is right in line with Griffin skills-wise, if not better.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

29. The Baltimore Ravens select - from Texas - OT Justin Blalock

Is he a tackle or a guard? Try him at RT first, then move him inside if he fits better there. Either way he's a quality lineman to help protect McNair (who needs all the protection he can get) and help open some holes for McGahee.

I was actually going to try and trade up to get Revis, as I think he would be perfect as a replacement for the declining Rolle, but the pick came in as I was on my way to work... Oh well, if I didn't get Revis or Ross to replace Rolle, it was on to get me a RT! (Baltimore may pick more late in the draft too... They need 'em!)

[bhlloy]

As much as I hate taking another big WR here to go with Vincent Jackson, I can't justify Steve Smith or Sidney Rice this high and WR is a clear need. Greg Olsen is insanely amazing value right here but I think we have this guy called Gates who can play a bit.

So, with the 30th pick the San Diego Chargers select Dwayne Jarrett, WR, Southern California.

[Danny]

2 picks within 10 minutes?

Strike up the band...


Having said that, I'll probably turn into a donkey when pick #30 is posted at 10:30 at night and I don't see it until 9:00 the next morning..

Damn you!

[stevew]

Just so everyone knows ahead of time the Colts are looking to move down from #32 if anyone is interested. I know people will want to see who falls but I just want to throw that out now.

2(6) and 4(6) is my offer. Assuming my guy is there.

[Danny]

Someone wants Greg Olsren

[stevew]

Someone wants Greg Olsren

Actually that's not who I am targeting, but he would be a nice fit.

[Danny]

Uh oh, you might be looking to steal my guy then!

[Noble_Platypus]

2(6) and 4(6) is my offer. Assuming my guy is there.

That could work for me, I will be around all day, so when the Bears make their pick I will let you see if who you want is still there then if we both still want the deal that will work for me.

[Danny]

Hmmm, Mustang is online here.

[Mustang]

I knew that was going to happen.


With the 31st Pick, the Bears select Tony Ugoh, OT Arkansas

O/Line isn't getting any younger. Would have snagged Jarrett or Blalock but, they went 29/30.

[Northwood_DK]

Guess Jarvis Moss from Florida will go to the Colts. If the Jest wants a CB, why will they pick Aaron Ross over Chris Houston from Arkansas?

[Danny]

Looks like the Colts are going to deal down. I'm happy since two players I covet are still on the board, no matter what, I will get one of them.

[Noble_Platypus]

I am open to trading down with the Cardinals if STeveW still wants to. I am considering Moss because of his value and the fact the Freeney may not sign long term, but I believe Freeney will sign a long term deal and we just gave a bunch of money to Robert Mathis, so I dont know if I want to spend a first round pick for a guy who will be a backup when the Colts have so many other pressing needs. I dont feel that any of the remaining DTs or OLBs carry a first round grade.

[Danny]

I'm interested in dealing Randy Moss for a 2nd round pick to those interested.

[Logan]

If this moves quick enough to get down to my 2nd (42 overall), someone please just send me a PM...I'm in a training session all day so I can only come on here to check every hour or so. Thanks.

[Noble_Platypus]

I'm interested in dealing Randy Moss for a 2nd round pick to those interested.

YOu will be lucky to get a 2nd DAY pick for that headcase

[Danny]

Hah, I bet the Raiders end up with a 2nd or 3rd for him during the real draft. Someone (probably the Packers) will put out a decent pick for him.

[Noble_Platypus]

I think the best thing for the Colts is to trade down, but even moving down to 2.6 in the second round I am not sure I will get to make that pick before the actual draft. :)

[Danny]

Just pick your boy Jared Zabransky to backup Manning and Sorgi

[Noble_Platypus]

I have my choice of kickers too. :)

[DeToxRox]

Favor -

I am going to be gone from 12-3 today for a Final Exam, so can someone help me out by concocting a second round draft order? I'd appreciate it a lot. I thought I'd have more time but the guys at the back half have been cruising quicker then I thought.

Thanks,
- Danny

[Danny]

33. Oakland
34. Detroit
35. Tampa Bay
36. Cleveland
37. Chicago (from Washington thru NY Jets)
38. Arizona
39. Atlanta (from Houston)
40. Miami
41. Minnesota
42. San Francisco
43. Buffalo
44. Atlanta
45. Carolina
46. Pittsburgh
47. Arizona (from Green Bay)
48. Jacksonville
49. Cincinnati
50. Tennessee
51. New York Giants
52. St. Louis
53. Dallas
54. Kansas City
55. Seattle
56. Denver
57. Philadelphia
58. New Orleans
59. New York Jets
60. Miami (from New England)
61. Baltimore
62. San Diego
63. New York Jets (from Chicago)
64. Tampa Bay (from Indianapolis)

[DeToxRox]

Thanks Danny, definetly appreciate it.

[stevew]

I'll take that trade up and send the 4th and 2nd to you....

With the 32nd pick in the 2007 FOFC Mock Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select DE Anthony Spencer from Purdue

[bhlloy]

Chargers looking to trade up - anyone at the top of the round interested in trading down send me a PM.

[Danny]

With the 33rd pick in the 2007 FOFC Mock Draft, the Oakland Raiders select TE Greg Olsen.

He is just too good to pass up here and TE is a need.

[Noble_Platypus]

I'll take that trade up and send the 4th and 2nd to you....

With the 32nd pick in the 2007 FOFC Mock Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select DE Anthony Spencer from Purdue

He was my choice if I kept the pick, I like his versatility, I just dont know that he can transition to be the type of OLB the Colts like to use in their defense. Good pick though for you.I now have a second, 2 thirds and 4 forths (Indys, a comp pick, Az's and the Saints from signing Jason David)so I can really fill some holes, plus I only move down 7 picks.

[Mustang]

Bears looking to trade down (but, not THAT far down SD)

[stevew]

He was my choice if I kept the pick, I like his versatility, I just dont know that he can transition to be the type of OLB the Colts like to use in their defense. Good pick though for you.I now have a second, 2 thirds and 4 forths (Indys, a comp pick, Az's and the Saints from signing Jason David)so I can really fill some holes, plus I only move down 7 picks.

I think he's going to be an absolute monster at the next level. If some team thinks he can legitimately feign falling into coverage occasionally as a 3/4 backer, he should go in the top 20. I wouldn't mind if the steelers took him at 15, assuming some of the other guys they want are gone first.

[Noble_Platypus]

Since Indy runs a 4-3 and likes the smaller,faster guys I passed, but I agree in the right defense he can be a major player

[Danny]

Raiders are interested in moving up to grab another pick in the early second round.

[Logan]

I feel like this is where things begin to slow down with everyone trying to move.

[Noble_Platypus]

Begin to slow down? We waited for almost 2 days just so Denver could NOT make their pick. With everyone logging on at different times, or not at all, I knew this would be a slow process. I dont figure on completing 3 rounds before the actual draft.

[JPhillips]

Danny: It's probably not high enough for you, but my pick at 49 is for sale.

[DeToxRox]

With the 34th pick in the 2007 FOFC-NFL Mock Draft the Detroit Lions select DB Chris Houston from Arkansas

[DeToxRox]

Board updated, TB on the clock

[DeToxRox]

With the 35th pick in the 2007 FOFC-NFL Mock Draft the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select DE Jarvis Moss of Florida

[Noble_Platypus]

Detox, the board should reflect the Colts owning the 38th pick in the second round from Az

[DeToxRox]

Detox, the board should reflect the Colts owning the 38th pick in the second round from Az

Whoops. Forgot that. Correcting now, thanks.

[Noble_Platypus]

No problem, I just didnt want anybody yelling at Az to make a pick when I am on the clock.

[Logan]

Begin to slow down? We waited for almost 2 days just so Denver could NOT make their pick. With everyone logging on at different times, or not at all, I knew this would be a slow process. I dont figure on completing 3 rounds before the actual draft.

I think we're doing okay. Ignore the delay around the DEN pick and we're flying.

The bigger question will be if people are interested enough to keep going as we get into the 3rd round and beyond. I have 4 4ths, and I fully intend on using them (even if it means I have to announce "probable" picks).

[Bearcat729]

With the 36th overall pick the Cleveland Browns select OG Ben Grubbs from Auburn.

[Noble_Platypus]

I have 4 4ths as well, and time willing I will do the whole draft. I am already in another draft like this and we are in the 5th round

[Mustang]

With the 37th overall pick, the Bears select - WR Sidney Rice - South Carolina

[stevew]

I'll venture a guess without looking at the numbers, but I'm pretty sure Portis' contract structure renders him untradeable. Totally unrealistic amount of dead money that would hit this years cap.

[DeToxRox]

Picks updated; check the 2nd round order, if you made a trade and it's not on there, let me know

[Logan]

DeTox...PM'd you a list for me at 42. Thanks.

[Noble_Platypus]

The Colts select WR Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State. We have many needs on defense but the value is just not there on the guys I am looking at. We need a 3rd wr and injury insurance.

[Edward64]

Sorry, still at work but will get a pick selected by tonight.

[Noble_Platypus]

Well, this officially sucks.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Well, this officially sucks.

I love that I log on at work to check where we're at, and we're waiting on someone who's at work. At least he's serious enough to wait until he gets home and dive into hours of research on the available prospects (watching dvd's of the combine recorded from NFL Network, etc.) All I'm doing is picking a couple guys that I hope might be there, and if one is off the board, looking to maybe move up or look at who else might be there... (Looking at the Lindy's Draft Guide.)

[Edward64]

With the 39th pick, Atlanta selects DE Charles Johnson from GA.

[stevew]

I sent a list for 2(16) in.

[DeToxRox]

I will be gone tomorrow (Sat) all day working a tournament. Can someone take control for just tomorrow?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I will be gone tomorrow (Sat) all day working a tournament. Can someone take control for just tomorrow?

I found out today that I have tomorrow off... and will be home all day (probably drunk.) I can handle it... (What needs to be done, exactly... I can't post as you at the top of the thread!)

[DeToxRox]

I found out today that I have tomorrow off... and will be home all day (probably drunk.) I can handle it... (What needs to be done, exactly... I can't post as you at the top of the thread!)

Basically just take peoples list who send them and make their picks when they're gone.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Basically just take peoples list who send them and make their picks when they're gone.

I can do that with Matt Millen-like efficiency...

[DeToxRox]

I can do that with Matt Millen-like efficiency...

lol. I'll send you the two lists I have.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Well it looks like I'm temporarily in charge on an interm basis.

If you're going to be away for a while, PM me with your list.

I'll be on for another hour or so, then hit the bed until about 10a.

[bulletsponge]

ok i wont be here this morning and i pick 2.41, which is next after miami. since i wont be here heres my preferance list of 2 peeps. if the first one is taken by miami then select the other for me please.

1- DE Lamarr Woodley
2- CB Marcus McCauley

[General Mike]

*starts "Brian Leonard" chant*

[M GO BLUE!!!]

How long should we give Miami?

We should have put a time limit on picks... as in, if you're on the clock for six hours (not including overnight) your pick gets made for you. I have lists for the next two picks after Miami and sent a PM to Leonidas this morning that he's up (and has been since 9:30 last night) We really shouldn't have to wait a full day for a second round pick! :D

[Logan]

M, I'll be here to announce my pick.

edit: And to answer your question, not much longer.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I say we give him until 3.

I'll PM him now, then if he doesn't pick... I'll figure out what would be best for Miami mice elf!

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I will also consider (fair) trades for the Miami pick, so if there's someone you want, PM me & Leonidas. If I make a trade down, then he might still make the pick himself... and we can keep on movin'

[Logan]

I offered my 6 to move up 2 spots to Leonidas' pick. Of course, even if it's acceptable, we're stuck after that.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

WE HAVE A TRADE.

Miami sends their 2nd round pick, #40 overall to San Fransisco for the #42 overall choice and their 6th round pick.

San Fransisco is on the clock.

[Logan]

San Francisco selects David Harris, ILB, Michigan

Very happy as Harris should be able to compete for the starting spot right away. Getting the Carriker/Harris combo would make Day 1 a slam dunk for the Niners.

FYI, for anyone looking to stockpile 3rd/4th rounders...I'd be willing to deal 3(76) and two 4ths to get back into the 2nd round.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

for Bulletsponge...

With the 41st pick, Minnesota selects Lamarr Woodley, DE, Michigan


Miami is once again on the clock... (I PM'ed him again... He has until 7pm)

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Let's get this thing moving... Leonidas has been on the clock for 22 hours. For him, I choose...

With the 42nd pick, Miami selects Daymeion Hughes, CB, California.

This pick could change if he shows up before Buffalo picks.

[mckerney]

Buffalo selects: Brian Leonard, FB, Rutgers

[General Mike]

Buffalo selects: Brian Leonard, FB, Rutgers

Yay~!

[M GO BLUE!!!]

With the 44th pick, Atlanta selects CB, Marcus McCauley, Fresno State

With the 45th pick, Carolina selects C, Ryan Kalil, USC

Pittsburgh is on the clock (we're moving here!)

[Swaggs]

This sucks... Leonard, Hughes, and Kalil were my next anticipated picks. Give me a moment to re-check things.

I really liked the thought of Leonard on the Steelers.

[Swaggs]

Pittsburgh selects DE Quentin Moses from the University of Georgia

Moses gives us a good, pass rushing defensive end if we decide to go to a 4-3 defense and he is athletic enough to stand up and be a big OLB should we stick with the 3-4. Either way, he is talented enough to be on the field in passing situations this upcoming season with a lot of room to improve. Adding Moses and Posluzny will give the Steelers' defense a nice infusion of youth and talent to put around All-Pros Casey Hampton and Troy Palamalu.