The FOFC Keeper League - 2007 Season

[TLK]

Post your keepers in this thread. Just as a reminder.... we are allowed to keep 1 QB, 1 RB and 1 WR/TE.

The schedule is revised, as we don't have access to our site at the moment. We will stick with what is posted below. If the site isn't up yet as of the start of the draft, we will use this thread to start the draft. If there are any problems with this.... let me know.


Upcoming schedule:

August 10th - All keepers are due, leaving five days before the draft to set a preference list. I will start a new thread once we have access to the site where the keepers can be posted.

August 13th - Draft starts with a 12 hour limit per pick. The draft clock will be active from 10:00 AM (EST) until 12:00 AM (EST).

August 20th - Draft continues with normal draft rules... Two hours per pick with the clock active from 10:00 AM (EST) until 12:00 AM (EST). You are encouraged to setup a draft list as the Sportsline "robot" tends to favor QB's.


Draft Order and Rosters can be found here. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1489454&postcount=168)

[TLK]

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[Lathum]

AAAARRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

Reggie
LJ
Reggie
LJ
Reggie
LJ

[Eaglesfan27]

We'll keep Phillip Rivers, Ronnie Brown, and Marvin Harrison.

[MikeVic]

Vic' Heroes will keep Drew Brees, Steven Jackson, and Chad Johnson.

[timmynausea]

The Premature Ghost will keep:

QB Carson Palmer
RB Shaun Alexander
WR Roy Williams

[gottimd]

Oy Vey, some tough decisions....

QB Cutler, RB Gore, WR Smith

That means that Trent Green and Manning will have career seasons, Addai will be the first person ever to run for 6,000 yards and 49 TD's in one season, only to come in second this season to Colston who scores 50 TD's.

[ISiddiqui]

Siddiqui keeps:

QB: John Kitna
RB: Willis McGahee
WR: Randy Moss

Tough pick in RBs, but Portis is having his knee act up and Betts (also on my squad) may take some carries.

[johnnyshaka]

I suppose I have to pick a name...how about Shaka's Big Shooters?

Keepers:

McNabb
Willie Parker
Andre Johnson

[JAG]

QB: Tony Romo
RB: Ladanian Tomlinson
WR: Javon Walker

Barring injury between now and August 10th.

[TLK]

QB- Vince Young
RB- Cadillac Williams (ouch)
WR- Anquan Boldin

[TLK]

Looks like the website is good to go (Thanks HB). The keepers will be processed sometime Saturday morning, so anyone/everyone can make a draft list.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I hate my team:

QB: Jason Campbel
RB: Laurence Maroney
WR: Lee Evans

[ISiddiqui]

The RB and WR are DAMNED good keepers though, and will be great this year as well.

[FBPro]

Are there any openings in this league or is it too late?

[Lathum]

Are there any openings in this league or is it too late?

I think we are full

[Lathum]

My keepers are

Hasselbeck
Reggie Bush
Reggie Wayne

God I hope LJ doesn't make me look like an idiot.

[ISiddiqui]

I think Bush was the right choice.. especially after the number of carries LJ put up last season!!

[TLK]

bump for the remaining two teams....

[Neuqua]

QB Peyton Manning
RB R Johnson
WR/TE Antonio Gates

[timmynausea]

It's looking like LJ will be the first pick.

[Lathum]

It's looking like LJ will be the first pick.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[MikeVic]

Can we put together a list somewhere of the relationship between team name and FOFC name? I'm always forgetting who owns which team.

I also can't find anywhere on the league site for stats like career win %, or the playoff results (who was 1st, 2nd, and 3rd)?

[TLK]

Can we put together a list somewhere of the relationship between team name and FOFC name? I'm always forgetting who owns which team.


Try the second post in this thread....

[MikeVic]

Try the second post in this thread....

WOW. How did I miss that.

[TLK]

I'm a little worried that SI won't get his keepers in tonight. He hasn't been on the board at all this week. Any opinions on keepers for the Houston Hippopotami?

Brady/Westbrook/Fitzgerald..... right?
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[MikeVic]

I'm a little worried that SI won't get his keepers in tonight. He hasn't been on the board at all this week. Any opinions on keepers for the Houston Hippopotami?

Brady/Westbrook/Fitzgerald..... right?
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Yeah, I'd say those three are the highest rated for the positions.

[timmynausea]

Brady/Westbrook/Fitzgerald..... right?
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Those would be my picks as well.

[Eaglesfan27]

I agree with those picks as well, if he doesn't show.

[Honolulu_Blue]

me too

[MikeVic]

We have too many agreements. What if we change it up to:
Vick-Morris-Booker?

[Lathum]

lol,
i agree with the majority

[TLK]

We are good to go. The keepers have been processed and the draft will start at 12:00pm (EST) on Monday. Two important links...

FOFC Keeper League Draft Room (Update Draft Queue Here) (http://fofc.football.sportsline.com/draft/v3/)

Set Player Rankings Here (http://fofc.football.sportsline.com/rank)

[Lathum]

sweet, looking forward to Monday. Hopefully we get a good pace with the picks

[MikeVic]

Whoa, I forgot it starts so soon!! Better start reading about players.

[johnnyshaka]

I'm going to be traveling on Monday and won't have internet access until late Monday night...what is the best way to approach this little dilemma?

I've done a little poking around on the site and I see that there is an autopilot on but can I set to only pick a set number of times...like once or twice? I mean, I have no problems set it to pick my first pick as a ten player list is easy enough...but I'd rather be around to pick in the second round...if I had my choice. Am I worrying about this for nothing...has your draft typically gotten through several rounds on day one?

Thoughts...advice??

[TLK]

Am I worrying about this for nothing...has your draft typically gotten through several rounds on day one?

Thoughts...advice??

The draft doesn't start until noon and you have a 12 hour window when your pick comes up.... so you have nothing to worry about.

[johnnyshaka]

The draft doesn't start until noon and you have a 12 hour window when your pick comes up.... so you have nothing to worry about.

I just don't want to hold things up...but if the commish isn't too worried about it...then neither am I. Thanks.

[Lathum]

I wouldn't worry Johnny.

[sterlingice]

Sorry about the delay guys. As I had said in the 2006 thread, I was in Houston last week. Those keepers would have been who I had picked. Unfortunately when I went to try to make keepers before I left, I couldn't find the rosters anywhere as CBS was down. Anyways, back now so it won't be an issue.

SI

[TLK]

Reminder bump for the draft...

[Honolulu_Blue]

The draft is underway. The first two picks are in, the Squiddi Man is up.

[gottimd]

If it gets to me, I can be reached on AIM, s/n gottimd. I check FOFC often during the workday, but after work hours for me (6pm-11PM) I am on sporadically.

[TLK]

I had every intention of grabbing Thomas Jones with the 4th pick, but seeing as he just got banged-up... I passed. Now I get to suffer through Jones-Drew's sophomore slump.

[MikeVic]

Drafting RBs seems to have gotten harder from my first "regular" stint in fantasy football (only a few years ago) compared to now. I don't know what it is... maybe I'm just more educated now and so I see more problems in RBs.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'll be picking in a second.. thanks for the reminder in the thread title edit.

[Eaglesfan27]

SH!# It's one of the sites that is blocked by my work and my internet was knocked out at home this morning by landscapers. Is there any way the commish can pick for me if I give a name?

Otherwise, I'll have to hope that my internet is back up by tonight when I get home from work.

[TLK]

SH!# It's one of the sites that is blocked by my work and my internet was knocked out at home this morning by landscapers. Is there any way the commish can pick for me if I give a name?




I can make the pick.

[Eaglesfan27]

I can make the pick.

Can you tell me who has been picked already with the first 4 selections, then I'll post my pick.

[gottimd]

He'll take Vick.

[TLK]

Larry Johnson, Joseph Addai, Travis Henry and Maurice Jones-Drew.

[MikeVic]

Yeah, Vick is still there EF27.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'll take Vi.. no I'll take Cedric Benson, please.

[MikeVic]

Damn you.

[gottimd]

I took Bulger.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I took Bulger.

But I wanted Bulger... :(

[gottimd]

And I wanted Benson...so tough noogies.

[MikeVic]

Hmm, is this draft clock bug then one where the timer will keep going down no matter what, and never reset itself? So it'll eventually go all nuts and auto-pick people since everyone will have a time remaining of 0:00?

[Lathum]

I just threw up a little in my mouth

[TLK]

Hmm, is this draft clock bug then one where the timer will keep going down no matter what, and never reset itself? So it'll eventually go all nuts and auto-pick people since everyone will have a time remaining of 0:00?

I e-mailed support and haven't heard anything back yet. Worst case scenario, I'll just shut the clock off. I'll mess around with it in the morning when I have more time. To do anything now I'd need to suspend the draft.

[MikeVic]

I e-mailed support and haven't heard anything back yet. Worst case scenario, I'll just shut the clock off. I'll mess around with it in the morning when I have more time. To do anything now I'd need to suspend the draft.

Oh yeah, no problem. I just thought I remembered it doing that last year. Good to keep an eye on the clock when it gets down to an hour or so.

[sterlingice]

For the curious, we are at the Biting Muchars currently.

SI

[Eaglesfan27]

Eatel, my local internet/phone provider, just demonstrated some excellent customer service. My phone/internet line was knocked out this morning by landscapers. I called this morning and was told it would be repaired by Weds at 6:00 PM at the latest, but there was a small chance they would get it to Tuesday if a repairmen finished up early. I just got home and they have already laid a new line and service is restored. I'm not sure if they are available outside Louisiana or even this part of Louisiana, but they just earned my recommendation to any of my friends.

edit: Now that I know my work blocks sportsline, I'll be setting my lists tonight and shouldn't hold things up if I'm at work when it gets to my pick.

[Neuqua]

Biting Muchars took WR Torry Holt

[ISiddiqui]

Hmm, is this draft clock bug then one where the timer will keep going down no matter what, and never reset itself? So it'll eventually go all nuts and auto-pick people since everyone will have a time remaining of 0:00?

I remember that... I really, really hope they have a workaround or have found a way to fix it.

[MikeVic]

I'm here to pick... just gotta do some half-assed ranking right now. :)

[sterlingice]

johnnyshaka is up

SI

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... I just realized what a boneheaded move Travis Henry was with MJD still out there... just... wow.

[Eaglesfan27]

I don't think MJD still being available makes it that bad of a pick. I'd be more leery of Shanahan's inclination to play musical running backs.

[johnnyshaka]

johnnyshaka is up

SI

Home and unpacked...picking shortly.

Sorry for the holdup, guys.

[sterlingice]

I'm not sure whether I'm happy or not that Portis fell to me. I think I'm happy. Now as long as JAG doesn't pick both of the guys I want next, I'll be happy :)

SI

[ISiddiqui]

I don't think MJD still being available makes it that bad of a pick. I'd be more leery of Shanahan's inclination to play musical running backs.

Well, it's a keeper league. I'm sure Henry will be as valuable this year (and musical running backs is the case when there is actually some talent behind the starter ;)), but going forward, he's not a "keeper" pick.

[TLK]

I may have fixed the clock problem.... we won't know until johnnyshaka makes his pick.

[johnnyshaka]

I may have fixed the clock problem.... we won't know until johnnyshaka makes his pick.

Done.

[MikeVic]

Me done too.

[Eaglesfan27]

I should be set on autopilot for when it gets to me, at least for my 2nd pick. If someone can let me know who I end up with, I'd appreciate it.

[MikeVic]

If I notice it first, I'll post it here. Shaka just picked Colston and I just picked Driver.

[Lathum]

I'll be ready to pick whenever.

[johnnyshaka]

Question...does autopilot still pick for you when your queue is empty??

[MikeVic]

Question...does autopilot still pick for you when your queue is empty??

Yeah I think it'll take whoever is ranked #1 by Sportsline. I remember one year a guy left his team for awhile, and he ended up with like 4 QBs.

[Lathum]

Question...does autopilot still pick for you when your queue is empty??

I think it will pick whoever the highest ranked player remaining is.

What tends to happen is people get a roster with 7 quarterbacks

[MikeVic]

I think it will pick whoever the highest ranked player remaining is.

What tends to happen is people get a roster with 7 quarterbacks

:D

[Eaglesfan27]

Yeah I think it'll take whoever is ranked #1 by Sportsline. I remember one year a guy left his team for awhile, and he ended up with like 4 QBs.


Ouch, I didn't realize that.. I thought it would just give me until my time limit. I hope we don't get to the 3rd round 5th pick before I get home from work at 5 PM.

[MikeVic]

Ouch, I didn't realize that.. I thought it would just give me until my time limit. I hope we don't get to the 3rd round 5th pick before I get home from work at 5 PM.

No one's picked since me yet... so you got a lot of picks to go.

[TLK]

I'm by no means advocating it... but Sportsline has improved their list from past years.

[MikeVic]

I'm by no means advocating it... but Sportsline has improved their list from past years.

Yeah, I agree. I'm using it as part of my rankings for other football leagues. The combination of the magazine I bought and the Sportsline rankings (with some of my opinion thrown in).

[JAG]

We're still 3 picks from your 2nd round pick, so don't worry too much.

[johnnyshaka]

Yeah I think it'll take whoever is ranked #1 by Sportsline. I remember one year a guy left his team for awhile, and he ended up with like 4 QBs.

Ok...that's the way I interpreted what the "help" said...thanks.

[MikeVic]

So, it seems like the draft clock reset to just over 32 hours just now?

[Lathum]

Here's to the Saints running game

[gottimd]

Hines Ward to me....

the next two were on autopick, so we are getting close to closing out the second round.

[MikeVic]

Yup, Michel Vick and Calvin Johnson were selected.

Oh, sorry, I meant Reggie Brown, not Vick.

[MikeVic]

Oh, and Happy Birthday to our league organizer. :)

[sterlingice]

Oh, and Happy Birthday to our league organizer. :)

Happy birthday :D

SI

[sterlingice]

Looks like ISiddiqui is up and then a pair of autopicks

SI

[Honolulu_Blue]

Happy Birthday, TLK!

Fellas, as of tomorrow at around 2:00 pm EST, I wont be around much. I am heading to GenCon to get my "geek" on for a days. I will try to set up a que and set myself on "auto" before I leave. I may have some access, but it will be spotty.

[gottimd]

Marion Barber to me...

[TLK]

Thanks for good words guys.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Marion Barber to me...

You may have Marion Barber I or II, I will gladly take III.

[gottimd]

You may have Marion Barber I or II, I will gladly take III.

But what you fail to realize is that when I drafted Marion Barber...I DRAFTED EVERY LAST DAMN ONE OF THEM!!! GOLLY GEE!

[Honolulu_Blue]

But what you fail to realize is that when I drafted Marion Barber...I DRAFTED EVERY LAST DAMN ONE OF THEM!!! GOLLY GEE!

I think we need a ruling on this...

[Lathum]

I just picked. Sorry if I hald things up

[Neuqua]

Biting Muchars just made their selection, RB Ahman Green

[Lathum]

Hey guys, I may be unavailable for a few days. If thats the case as long as no one objects I am going to have Saldana finish my draft if need be.

[JAG]

Tis fine by me. I will be away this weekend and perhaps Monday, but will have occasional access to log in and make some picks.

[MikeVic]

I'm fine with that too. I heard saltana is a good football mind.

[johnnyshaka]

As long as Saldana doesn't take anybody I want, I'm fine with it.

[Eaglesfan27]

Saldana doesn't have a team in the league, so I'm fine with it.

[gottimd]

Me fine. You go.

[timmynausea]

I also have no objections.

[MikeVic]

Hot tip: Michael Vick and Koren Robinson aren't taken yet. I'm not sure about Keyshawn Johnson though. Someone asked about him, so he may be gone.

[johnnyshaka]

I decided against Keyshawn...he's on the IR with a bruised ego.

[MikeVic]

Ah ok... I guess these guys will be in the green room for a little while longer then.

[ISiddiqui]

I sent it along in the 3rd round and am ready for the return :D.

[TLK]

I was happy to land Jerious Norwood in the 4th round. Depending on Dunn's status... he could have a monster year.

[Eaglesfan27]

Yeah, if I didn't need another WR, I would have taken Norwood. Of course, I took a huge gamble instead..

[timmynausea]

The pace is starting to pick up a little now.

I had been thinking about Norwood, too, except that he would've given me a third back with week 8 bye. We're ok with Tatum Bell, though. I'm actually a lot happier about getting Bernard Berrian as my number 3 WR. I thought for sure he'd be gone by now.

[sterlingice]

Southside (EF) is up.

Sorry about the delay earlier today, guys. For those in the room who heard, I was in the room for about 3 hours but couldn't pick since I had the delightful task of taking apart a printer multiple times trying to fix it.

SI

[Eaglesfan27]

Sorry about the delay.. I'll be picking in a minute.

[TLK]

That JP Losman pick really killed me. I planned on platooning him with Vince Young. I think he's in for a monster of a year. We'll see though.

[timmynausea]

Lathum and/or Saldana is up.

[saldana]

Lathum and/or Saldana is up.

i logged in and made lathum's pick

he should be in NY by the time he is up again, but I will keep an eye on the draft order for the rest of the day in case it makes it back down to him

saldana

[Lathum]

you took the eagles defense?

you prick...:)

[sterlingice]

Biting Muchars still on the clock

I've gotta head in early today but I should be able to check somewhat throughout the day.

However, I have an exciting trip to Nevada (pronounced "Nah-vay-dah" by silly Missourians who mispronounce everything) starting late morning and internet access during that part of the day might be a bit sketchy. [map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=lawrence,+ks&daddr=nevada,+mo&mrcr=0&mra=pr&sll=38.405015,-94.788855&sspn=1.43776,2.570801&ie=UTF8&z=9&om=1)]

SI

[TLK]

I was bumped from the draft room and can't get back in.

[MikeVic]

I got in just now?

[sterlingice]

Hm... aside from that little flurry around 10am, no movement at all today :(

SI

[gottimd]

Is sportsline down or something? I can't even load up the home page and none of my bookmarks that always work for them, are working now. Every other site is just fine and dandy.

[timmynausea]

Is sportsline down or something? I can't even load up the home page and none of my bookmarks that always work for them, are working now. Every other site is just fine and dandy.

I am having the same problem. It must be down.

[Lathum]

I recall ths happening in the past and everyone got players they didn't want picked for them

[timmynausea]

It's back up and everything looks OK.

[sterlingice]

Lathum's up and the room is up and the next couple of picks are in the room

SI

[sterlingice]

We've moved again, TLK is up

SI

[ISiddiqui]

Man, I'm having a crappy draft. I juuuuust (should have before it) read the reports on Reggie Williams at camp and realize I made a wasted pick. Wonderful.

[Lathum]

Hey guys, I hope I didn't screw anything up or hold things up. It seems like we are moving along at a good clip so I think it's ok, but if not sorry.

[JAG]

Seems like the pace is fine and dandy. Less than 3 rounds remaining.

[Lathum]

Muck quicker then last year IIRC

[ISiddiqui]

How long is the draft? 13 rounds?

[sterlingice]

I think it's 13 since that would be 16 with the 3 keepers.

Cajuns are up

SI

[gottimd]

Thanks, Ill pick shortly.

[MikeVic]

Muck quicker then last year IIRC

Yup.

[JAG]

Please be patient with me today. I don't have time to put up a queue with 9 people, I'll be on the road to Hartford, CT and then flying back to MN, probably make my picks around 4-5pm CST. Sorry for the delay.

[gottimd]

One more pick?

[MikeVic]

Ok, so, I think we need to reduce the bench spots next year (if possible). Cut out two or three spots?

[TLK]

After the draft, I'll put a few issues up for vote for the 2008 season. Smaller rosters will be one of them. I like the idea of playing a second QB, so that will probably be included. If anyone has any other ideas... post then and we will vote on them.

[TLK]

Oh.... what about a 4th keeper spot for a first year player? I like that one too.

[Eaglesfan27]

Nevermind, I just read that proposed changes are for 2008 which I skipped over the first time.. I'm all for that ;)

[Neuqua]

Sorry if I caused any delay guys, I ended up staying in Vegas twice as long as I originally planned and that complicated a few things for me.

[ISiddiqui]

Yay... one more pick for me... and it should be fairly obvious which position ;).

[JAG]

Smaller rosters, check (reduce by 3 maybe?). 2 QB's, not so high on considering there are 12 teams in the league. 4th keeper for a rookie seems cool by me.

[sterlingice]

2nd QB is really tough in a league with more than 10 but with the format like it is, with everyone keeping 1 QB and 1 RB, it's a bit more doable.

SI

[TLK]

Keyshawn Johnson was a steal in the last round. ;)

[MikeVic]

Damn! If it went another round, Keyshawn would be mine. Nice steal SI!

[TLK]

I'm hoping to land Michael Vick on waivers. :fingers crossed:

[MikeVic]

I'm hoping to land Michael Vick on waivers. :fingers crossed:

Some ESPN cheat sheet had Ricky Williams in the top 50 RBs... I see he wasn't drafted, so I hope I can get him!!

[sterlingice]

I wanted a Mr Irrelevant in Keyshawn :D

SI

[TLK]

Any more rule proposals for the 2008 season? I hope to put together an official list by the end of the week and put them to a vote while they're still fresh.

Also, I'll be starting the waiver process tomorrow. Everyone has two days to put in any waiver claims.

[MikeVic]

I don't have anything to add.

[Lathum]

nothing here

[TLK]

Waivers have started.

[sterlingice]

After the draft, I'll put a few issues up for vote for the 2008 season. Smaller rosters will be one of them. I like the idea of playing a second QB, so that will probably be included. If anyone has any other ideas... post then and we will vote on them.

I know I'd definitely favor a 2nd QB. Things will be a bit thin in a 12 team league but anything you say about 2 QBs is the same for 2 RBs. They both get hurt so there is quite a bit of talent cycling through. There are really only 30 starters of each position. Also, to anyone who says "but there are 2 starting RBs in the NFL so having 2 RB and 1 QB is more realistic/makes more sense/etc"- I don't see Larry Johnson and Shawn Alexander lining up in the backfield in the NFL, nor do I see any leagues running an RB/FB setup. There are a couple of fullback types worth drafting as they will steal QBs but I don't see those really high on anyone's draft list- those are 3rd and 4th RBs you hope you never have to pay.

Definitely in favor of a reduced bench size- down to 5 at most, maybe 4. With 12 teams, there's just no talent at all in the pool after about week 4. No tough decisions or anything. Heck, quite a few teams are sitting around with 2 defenses and 5 or 6 RBs and WRs. For a keeper league, that's way too much emphasis on the draft.

Also, I seem to remember QBs being favored a bit in points but I could just be imagining things- I haven't looked at top 100 or 200 distribution. Not necessarily a bad thing as RBs are vastly overrated in most leagues. However, if we can tweak the points down slightly on QBs, that might be worth looking at. But I don't have any concrete plans on that or anything to back it up- it was just a gut feel and I'd kindof like to see how the season plays out before changing anything.

By that same token, there are probably some things that will come up throughout the season that we haven't even come up with at this point so we'll probably want to revisit this at the end of the season once it's fresh in our minds how things work.

SI

[MikeVic]

I know I'd definitely favor a 2nd QB. Things will be a bit thin in a 12 team league but anything you say about 2 QBs is the same for 2 RBs. They both get hurt so there is quite a bit of talent cycling through. There are really only 30 starters of each position. Also, to anyone who says "but there are 2 starting RBs in the NFL so having 2 RB and 1 QB is more realistic/makes more sense/etc"- I don't see Larry Johnson and Shawn Alexander lining up in the backfield in the NFL, nor do I see any leagues running an RB/FB setup. There are a couple of fullback types worth drafting as they will steal QBs but I don't see those really high on anyone's draft list- those are 3rd and 4th RBs you hope you never have to pay.

Definitely in favor of a reduced bench size- down to 5 at most, maybe 4. With 12 teams, there's just no talent at all in the pool after about week 4. No tough decisions or anything. Heck, quite a few teams are sitting around with 2 defenses and 5 or 6 RBs and WRs. For a keeper league, that's way too much emphasis on the draft.

Also, I seem to remember QBs being favored a bit in points but I could just be imagining things- I haven't looked at top 100 or 200 distribution. Not necessarily a bad thing as RBs are vastly overrated in most leagues. However, if we can tweak the points down slightly on QBs, that might be worth looking at. But I don't have any concrete plans on that or anything to back it up- it was just a gut feel and I'd kindof like to see how the season plays out before changing anything.

By that same token, there are probably some things that will come up throughout the season that we haven't even come up with at this point so we'll probably want to revisit this at the end of the season once it's fresh in our minds how things work.

SI

If we do 2 QBs, I think we'd have to re-adjust the scoring for them too.

[JAG]

I'm still not high on starting 2 QB's. RB's at least are frequently platooned, something that (99+% of the time) doesn't occus with QB's, plus there is the flex option to play a WR or TE in their place if you really have nothing at RB but good talent at one of the other positions.

[ISiddiqui]

Agreed with the fact that RBs are frequently platooned and if you have a backup RB, he WILL get points, even if the starting RB does his normal carry load. If the starting QB does his normal playing time, the backup QB gets nothing.

Bench size should be down to 5. I think 4 may be too small.

[johnnyshaka]

What about allowing the flex to include QBs as well?

[MikeVic]

Just a warning to EF27... his lineup is currently illeagle (punny!)... I do play him in the first week, but I don't want to get a default win.

[Eaglesfan27]

Just a warning to EF27... his lineup is currently illeagle (punny!)... I do play him in the first week, but I don't want to get a default win.

Thanks. I thought I set it weeks ago. I planned on checking all of my Fantasy Teams tonight anyway, but the reminder is still appreciated.

[MikeVic]

Bump, the official thread... don't need both of them. ;)

[sterlingice]

Darn right. Now, if only a bump were worth about 25 points, then I'd be a lot happier about tomorrow.

SI

[Lathum]

God, the same thing happened last year, I always run into the team that has a monster week.

[johnnyshaka]

Lathum, good game...looks like the difference was a rough game by the Saints backfield and the Vikings' D doing their impression of the Bears' D.

[JAG]

I was looking (and feeling) like an idiot yesterday until Romo dropped a bomb on the Giants.

[sterlingice]

Unless Larry Fizgerald goes for about 150 and 3 TDs and then Neil Rackers outscores Frank Gore, I've got my first loss of the season. So here's to a 48-3 whitewashing by the Cards in the second game :D

SI

[MikeVic]

This week was pretty good!! ;)

[ISiddiqui]

I was looking (and feeling) like an idiot yesterday until Romo dropped a bomb on the Giants.

You didn't even really need that ;). An average game from Romo would have beat me... it seems that Moss was the only WR that performed for me this week.

[johnnyshaka]

This week was pretty good!! ;)

I concur!!!!

[MikeVic]

This week was pretty bad!! :(

Started Brees over Favre... damnit. And now Jackson is out for at least a week.

[johnnyshaka]

3-0!!! Sweet...despite leaving 90 points on my bench!!! If I had to do it again I'd probably still leave Curtis on the bench, though.

[Lathum]

I finaly got off the schnide

[johnnyshaka]

Definitely a goofy start to the season with so many top notch RBs not producing anywhere near their projected levels and receivers scoring points like they're going out of style.

[sterlingice]

Woo! I lucked into beating the juggernaut of Beano on the strength of Westbrook's 46, Brady's 40.5, and Jordan's 24 and still had to hold onto a lead, barely winning by 10. Really exciting during the first games Saturday where the scored ended up ~100-~70 by the time those first games were done.

SI

[sterlingice]

Woo! I lucked into beating the juggernaut of Beano on the strength of Westbrook's 46, Brady's 40.5, and Jordan's 24 and still had to hold onto a lead, barely winning by 10. Really exciting during the first games Saturday where the scored ended up ~100-~70 by the time those first games were done.

SI

[TLK]

I've backed myself into a wall for Week 4. I'm forced to start Brian Griese againsy my Lions due to bye weeks. Good times.

[JAG]

At least you can look on the bright side no matter the outcome. :)

I'm surprised to be off to a good start with lackluster contributions from LT2.

Oh, and thus far my call to keep Romo over Bulger (which I agonized over some) has looked prophetic.

[MikeVic]

So if anyone needs a WR, I can trade Driver. Maybe do some kind of package deal. I just have him in both of my other leagues, and hate when that's the case.

I'd of course like a RB to replace Steven Jackson, but we can work something out involving WRs or something.

[gottimd]

If anyone needs a TE let me know!

[johnnyshaka]

Why is the weekly preview showing my 3rd receiver as my flex starter? Should it not be my 2nd RB and has this been the case since the beginnig of the season and I've just noticed it now?

[MikeVic]

I believe we can have 1-2 RB and 2-3 WR... so I guess it's hard to show which is a "flex" guy, since both technically are?

[johnnyshaka]

If I remember correctly, in previous weeks, there was no distiction for the flex guy.

Just for funzies...I changed my lineup to include only one RB and four WRs and the preview changed and listed two flex guys...LOL!!! Goofy.

[JAG]

This is looking like a rough week. It's never good when due to injuries and bye weeks you have to start a combo of Roddy White, Cotchery, and D. Mason as your receivers.

[sterlingice]

Looking pretty good, up 81-45 with Crayton, Jennings, and D Broncos vs Graham and DJax.

SI

[sterlingice]

Actually, up to 89 with that Fitzgerald TD. I'd like to give me mad props for the awesome foundation to my team of Tom Brady. Wait, you're saying he was on my team when I joined the league? How about Larry Fitzgerald? No, him, too. D'oh. Well, I thank whoever had my team before me for their good draft. Three cheers for it better to be lucky than good :D

SI

[Honolulu_Blue]

What an awful game between me and Squiddi this week. Just abysmal. I ended up winning 49-40.

What a horrible outing.

[MikeVic]

No one wants Driver? :)

I knocked off the undefeated Dowboys! Yeah!

[MikeVic]

Geez CD... take it easy.

[ISiddiqui]

What an awful game between me and Squiddi this week. Just abysmal. I ended up winning 49-40.

What a horrible outing.

Yep... that was just... ugh. I think Moss was the only one who did well for me (though I had Welker on the bench :()

[johnnyshaka]

I got a freebie this week.

[JAG]

Had Romo not thrown an INT on that last possession, I could've broken the 200 point barrier, but I can't be too displeased with setting the league record for points (beating 191.5).

[Lathum]

I got a freebie this week.

what was up with that?


allthough I am tempted to tank it now so i can get Adrian Peterson next year

[MikeVic]

what was up with that?


allthough I am tempted to tank it now so i can get Adrian Peterson next year

Yeah, so I guess we don't have a formal rule on tanking... but do we really need one? Do people still really tank fantasy leagues? That sure looks on purpose by The Original Trilogy...

[TLK]

Yeah, so I guess we don't have a formal rule on tanking... but do we really need one? Do people still really tank fantasy leagues? That sure looks on purpose by The Original Trilogy...

It looks to me like he pulled his bye week players and forgot to come back set his lineup. I don't think there was any tanking here, just an illegal lineup. The playoff structure in the league is designed against tanking and I think that is enough. I can't see anyone tanking a free keeper league.

[johnnyshaka]

Has anybody seen HB lately? His lineup is illegal again this week.

Hopefully everything's okay.

[TLK]

I edited HB's lineup to make legal. Hope everything is okay with him.

[MikeVic]

I thought he posts still here? In the NHL thread?

[JAG]

allthough I am tempted to tank it now so i can get Adrian Peterson next year

You mean take Ladanian Tomlinson next year.

[TLK]

You mean take Ladanian Tomlinson next year.

I was just about to post a poll about this. I think it's a no-brainer though.

[ISiddiqui]

You mean take Ladanian Tomlinson next year.

LOL, yep.. no way anyone is leaving AP unprotected in a Keeper League after this season.

[Lathum]

I was just about to post a poll about this. I think it's a no-brainer though.

I think posting a poll would be a very bad idea at this point...

[Honolulu_Blue]

I edited HB's lineup to make legal. Hope everything is okay with him.

Must've missed this. Was my line-up illegal at some point?

[johnnyshaka]

Must've missed this. Was my line-up illegal at some point?

Yeah, a couple of weeks ago you're lineup was illegal and gave me an easy win and the following week TLK fixed your lineup so that wouldn't happen again.

Didn't you hear your name over the intercom???

[Honolulu_Blue]

Yeah, a couple of weeks ago you're lineup was illegal and gave me an easy win and the following week TLK fixed your lineup so that wouldn't happen again.

Didn't you hear your name over the intercom???

Weird...

[MikeVic]

How do playoffs work again? I always forget.

[TLK]

Playoffs
There are 3 brackets of Playoffs that will be used to determine Draft order selection for the next year:

Superbowl: Top team from each division (determined by record/head to head/division record/point total) and (2) Wild Card teams determined by Total points (then head to head/record). – None of these teams are eligible for the other brackets.
The Team with the best record (head to head/point total) will play the Wild Card team with the least points in the 1st round. The other two teams will play against one another (2nd division leader against least points wild card. The winners of the 1st round play for the Iberbowl; the losers play for the 9th pick order of the draft, the loser of that game gets the 10th pick order. The loser of the Iberbowl gets the 11th pick order, while the IberBowl champion gets the championship and the 12th pick order of the next year’s draft.

RookieBowl: Bottom team from each division (determined by record/head to head/ division record/point total) and (1) Kill Card team determined by Total points (then head to head/record). – The team with the worst record (head to head/point total) will play the Kill Card team in the 1st round. The Winners of the 1st round will play each other in the 2nd round to determine the winner of the RookieBowl– the Winner will have the 1st draft pick order, while the loser will receive the 2nd draft pick order. The Losers in the 1st round will play each other in the 2nd round, the winner will get the 3rd draft pick order, while the loser will get the 4th draft pick order for next years draft.

PrideBowl: The Final 4 teams will play for the PrideBowl championship (the 5th draft pick order). The teams will be matched up by having the team with the best record (head to head/point total) play the team with the worst record. The Winners of the 1st round will play each other in the 2nd round to determine the winner of the PrideBowl– the Winner will have the 5th draft pick order, while the loser will receive the 6th draft pick order. The Losers in the 1st round will play each other in the 2nd round, the winner will get the 7th draft pick order, while the loser will get the 8th draft pick order for next years draft.
.

[MikeVic]

Ah, so the division winners are in the playoffs, and then wild card is determined by the two teams with the highest total points? Record doesn't factor in at all?

[johnnyshaka]

Ah, so the division winners are in the playoffs, and then wild card is determined by the two teams with the highest total points? Record doesn't factor in at all?

Not sure how I feel about how the wildcard teams are determined.

[MikeVic]

Not sure how I feel about how the wildcard teams are determined.

I'm liking it right about now. ;) But it does seem inconsistent with the rest of the playoffs.

[TLK]

Those were the rules from the start of the league. I'm not sure I like them either. I'll add playoff structure, as something to vote on after the year is over.

[Lathum]

Last week of the season.

Looks like Vic's hero's will be a wildcard team with a .500 record.

We need to change that rule for next year I think.

[gottimd]

Am I headed to the Rookie bowl at 5-8, even though there are 2 worse teams then me?

[sterlingice]

Last week of the season.

Looks like Vic's hero's will be a wildcard team with a .500 record.

We need to change that rule for next year I think.

Agreed

SI

[TLK]

Am I headed to the Rookie bowl at 5-8, even though there are 2 worse teams then me?

If the playoffs started today....

Super Bowl:

Houston Hippopotami vs. Vic's Heroes
Callous Dowboys vs. Shaka's Big Shooters

Rookie Bowl:

The Premature Ghost of Beano Cook vs. Biting Muchars
South Side Roughnecks vs. Rajun Cajuns

Pride Bowl:

Siddiqui Sillymen vs. All On Black
The Original Trilogy vs. Lathum's Brew Crew

[MikeVic]

At first I didn't like the whole point thing. But now that I've scored high in two leagues I'm in (this and a money league), I'm re-thinking it. In the other league, I was 4th in points and missed out on the playoffs (6 teams), meanwhile a team that's had crazy luck and is over 200 points behind me is ranked 4th.

We'll have to revisit this, but maybe only count points if the record is close? Like a one-game difference or something? And one wild card from each division.

[johnnyshaka]

At first I didn't like the whole point thing. But now that I've scored high in two leagues I'm in (this and a money league), I'm re-thinking it. In the other league, I was 4th in points and missed out on the playoffs (6 teams), meanwhile a team that's had crazy luck and is over 200 points behind me is ranked 4th.

We'll have to revisit this, but maybe only count points if the record is close? Like a one-game difference or something? And one wild card from each division.

Personally, I think it's about wins...just like it is in the NFL. Use points as a tiebreaker if you must.

[Lathum]

Personally, I think it's about wins...just like it is in the NFL. Use points as a tiebreaker if you must.

+1

[MikeVic]

To play devil's advocate... in the NFL, you can prepare your offense and defense. In fantasy, you can't do shit against the "offense" of another team. I think Bill Simmons wrote about this in a column this year. That it would be a bigger achievement to go undefeated in a fantasy season because of that fact.

[Lathum]

I guess I feel like the 7th best team in the AFC.

I know if I was in the other division I would be sailing through to the finals :D

[TLK]

Entered on the site....

Superbowl:
Houston Hippopotami vs. Vic's Heroes
Callous Dowboys vs. Shaka's Big Shooters

Rookie Bowl:
Biting Muchars vs. Rajun Cajuns
South Side Roughnecks vs. The Premature Ghost of Beano Cook

Pride Bowl:
Lathum's Brew Crew vs. All On Black
Siddiqui Sillymen vs. The Original Trilogy

[MikeVic]

I guess I feel like the 7th best team in the AFC.

I know if I was in the other division I would be sailing through to the finals :D

The amount of points your team scores has nothing to do with your opponent, so even if you lose games because your opponent scores more than you, you can still make the playoffs in this league right now. I just scored more than you. :cool:

[ISiddiqui]

I'm thinking for next year, we should do record, then record against division, and then points.

And not just because that would have benefited me this season ;).

[JAG]

VH is looking strong (thanks to Brady's worst game of the year coming in HH's playoff game). For me it's up to The Big 3 to come through.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, David Garrard on my bench would have been a better play than Brady :(

SI

[sterlingice]

Even if Westbrook had scored, I'd still be down 2 right now going into tomorrow night and VH with Chester Taylor. In the end, it came down to me saying "you know, no matter how bad the weather is in New York, Brady will still have a better game than Garrard against the Steelers, also in snow". Whoops.

[MikeVic]

Even if Westbrook had scored, I'd still be down 2 right now going into tomorrow night and VH with Chester Taylor. In the end, it came down to me saying "you know, no matter how bad the weather is in New York, Brady will still have a better game than Garrard against the Steelers, also in snow". Whoops.

I would've made the same play too.

[JAG]

Even if Westbrook had scored, I'd still be down 2 right now going into tomorrow night and VH with Chester Taylor. In the end, it came down to me saying "you know, no matter how bad the weather is in New York, Brady will still have a better game than Garrard against the Steelers, also in snow". Whoops.

Ironically I would've been greatly helped had I played Big Ben from the same game vs. Romo, who also had his worst fantasy game of the season. Now I need a pretty big game from (the Vikings') Adrian Peterson...

[johnnyshaka]

Even if Westbrook had scored, I'd still be down 2 right now going into tomorrow night and VH with Chester Taylor. In the end, it came down to me saying "you know, no matter how bad the weather is in New York, Brady will still have a better game than Garrard against the Steelers, also in snow". Whoops.

In my money keeper league I had a bye this week but I would've been faced with a similar decision...Brady, Favre, and Garrard...pick 2...and I would've likely taken Brady and Favre and would've lost.

[johnnyshaka]

Now I need a pretty big game from (the Vikings') Adrian Peterson...

Forget about it!!!

:D

[JAG]

Forget about it!!!

:D

Never doubt the Purple Jesus!

Now hopefully I can have a better result vs. MikeVic than two weeks ago.

[TLK]

Championship Game:
Vic's Heroes vs. Callous Dowboys

3rd Place Game:
Houston Hippopotami vs. Shaka's Big Shooters

5th Place Game:
All On Black vs. Siddiqui Sillymen

7th Place Game:
Lathum's Brew Crew vs. The Original Trilogy

Winner Receives 1st Overall Pick in 2008 Draft:
Rajun Cajuns vs. The Premature Ghost of Beano Cook

Winner Receives 3rd Overall Pick in 2008 Draft:
Biting Muchars vs. South Side Roughnecks

[TLK]

Championship Game:
Vic's Heroes vs. Callous Dowboys


We'll have our first two-time league winner out of this match-up. Congrats guys.

[MikeVic]

Best of luck!

[sterlingice]

Of course :(

Lost in the semifinal and scored more than enough to beat both of the finals teams. I think that means I followed up last season's 2nd place with a 3rd place. So close, yet so far.


SI

[JAG]

well, both the final teams still have players remaining...but your statement will still likely be true when it's all said and done with.

[MikeVic]

Nice fizzle end to the season haha.

[TLK]

Lost with the holidays was the championship game..... Congrats to JAG.


Draft Order For 2008:
1. Rajun Cajuns
2. The Premature Ghost of Beano Cook
3. South Side Roughnecks
4. Biting Muchars
5. Siddiqui Sillymen
6. All On Black
7. Lathum's Brew Crew
8. The Original Trilogy
9. Houston Hippopotami
10. Shaka's Big Shooters
11. Vic's Heroes
12. Callous Dowboys

[MikeVic]

Yeah, congrats. :mad:

[Lathum]

Yay!

My mediocrity continues!!

[gottimd]

WOOHOO!!

WE'RE #1......in terms of draft pick order for next year!

[TLK]

Early roll call for 2008. We have a few issues that we were supposed to vote on a while ago... and the quicker we get them out of the way... the better. Who's in?

[MikeVic]

I'm still in.

[Lathum]

in for sure