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Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 08:07 AM

First, the raw numbers (numbers are from VGChartz):

Worldwide Sales:

DS: 1,870,000
Wii: 1,137,000
PSP: 992,000
360: 888,000
PS3: 554,000
PS2: 552,000

Europe:

DS: 887K
Wii: 479K
PSP: 384K
PS3: 354K
PS2: 297K
360: 220K

North America:

360: 649K
DS: 622K
Wii: 543K
PSP: 303K
PS2: 176K
PS3: 138K

Japan:

DS: 361K
PSP: 305K
Wii: 115K
PS3: 62K
PS2: 49K
360: 19K

1. This month's 360 numbers demonstrate the impact that Halo 3 has on the North American market. Mass Effect is due this month for the 360. Should provide a good software sales boost for the 360.

2. The PS3 will likely overtake both the PS2 and Xbox 360 worldwide in the upcoming month as price cuts hit Japan and North America last week. Europe is also still reporting brisk sales of the 40 GB PS3 with low supply available at this point. The announcement that Singstar will now release in 2007 should help European sales as well (won't release in NA until 2008). Sony also received more good news this week as two third-party exclusives which were originally announced as delayed until 2008 (Haze and Unreal Tournament III), were both announced as being set for December 2007 releases in North America.

3. Wii has Super Mario Galaxy coming out this week. Unfortunately, due to supply constraints, no bump in console sales is expected. They're selling everything they make at this point.

Eaglesfan27

11-09-2007, 09:00 AM

CraigSca

11-09-2007, 09:02 AM

Sony also received more good news this week...

Oh yeah, it's all lollipops and doughnuts for Sony :)

Kodos

11-09-2007, 09:18 AM

Saw the $400 40 GB version at Walmart yesterday. If the 60 GB sitting next to it was $400, I probably would have picked it up.

Bee

11-09-2007, 09:28 AM

Oh yeah, it's all lollipops and doughnuts for Sony :)

I saw something the other day on another forum where EA released some financial data that showed they actually made more money from cell phone games than they did from all their PS3 games. :D

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 09:44 AM

I wouldn't count on #2. The 360 sales in North America continue to widen the gap over the PS3. Also, this week the 360 outsold the PS3 in Japan of all places:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6182608.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;3

In regards to widening the gap, not sure where you see that. The 360 got a sales boost of roughly 250K units due to the Halo 3 release. Take that away, and the sales totals worldwide aren't that different. Certainly next month's worldwide sales figures will show that one of us was way off. Given that several online retailers sold out of their initial stock of 40 GB PS3's, it's likely that we'll see a pretty good spike for the PS3.

In regards to Japan, I already posted that in the previous thread. It took an exclusive release of Ace Combat 3 and the release of the Xbox 360 elite to spike the numbers to break even with the PS3 for a week. The new white PS3 was released in Asia this week. It's going to move a lot of units and the 360 will be lucky to sell 5K this week.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 09:47 AM

I saw something the other day on another forum where EA released some financial data that showed they actually made more money from cell phone games than they did from all their PS3 games. :D

Should that be a surprise? EA only released a few games for the PS3 and the ones they did release were inferior ports. Gamers aren't stupid. Put out crap and you're not going to get anyone to buy it. This is more of an indictment of the EA brand (which lost money last quarter and is taking big PR hits in the media of late) than anything having to do with the PS3.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 09:48 AM

Saw the $400 40 GB version at Walmart yesterday. If the 60 GB sitting next to it was $400, I probably would have picked it up.

Do you have a Hastings store in your area? They're selling the 60 GB machine for $400 right now. It's is an in-store only deal.

Eaglesfan27

11-09-2007, 10:07 AM

In regards to widening the gap, not sure where you see that.

The 360 sold at almost a 5:1 clip over the PS3 this month in North America. That is the best ratio yet. That is widening the gap in North America which is what I said in my initial post. The PS3 is getting buried in North America which is a very important market.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 10:29 AM

The 360 sold at almost a 5:1 clip over the PS3 this month in North America. That is the best ratio yet. That is widening the gap in North America which is what I said in my initial post. The PS3 is getting buried in North America which is a very important market.

They were buried last month because Halo 3 was released and the PS3 didn't have a price cut yet. You're out of your mind if you don't think that the PS3 will be very competitive with the 360 in North America next month. No Halo 3 boost + PS3 price cut is going to even out this region in a hurry. Couple that with wins overseas in Europe and a big jump in Japan due to the white PS3 (I have no clue why Asians go so hog-wild over colored plastic) and the PS3 will pass the 360 in worldwide sales for November.

This honestly shouldn't come as a terrible surprise. Most analysts predicted that late 2007/early 2008 was when the month on month totals would even out worldwide. The real question is whether Sony can do enough to actually start cutting into the 360's lead when the big games start coming in Spring 2008 for the PS3.

Kodos

11-09-2007, 10:37 AM

Do you have a Hastings store in your area? They're selling the 60 GB machine for $400 right now. It's is an in-store only deal.

The closest one is 662 miles away.

I'm pretty sure any savings would be lost in gas money at that point.

Bee

11-09-2007, 10:39 AM

Should that be a surprise? EA only released a few games for the PS3 and the ones they did release were inferior ports. Gamers aren't stupid. Put out crap and you're not going to get anyone to buy it. This is more of an indictment of the EA brand (which lost money last quarter and is taking big PR hits in the media of late) than anything having to do with the PS3.

EA is one of the bigger game publishers around and they made more money on cell phone games than the PS3. Yes, I think it says a lot about the PS3. :D

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 10:50 AM

EA is one of the bigger game publishers around and they made more money on cell phone games than the PS3. Yes, I think it says a lot about the PS3. :D

Fair enough. I'd argue that if they put out the same crap for the 360 that they did on the PS3 (Madden and NCAA are two prime examples) that they wouldn't have sold nearly as well as they did. I didn't drop a dime of my money on any EA title. Also, the library that EA has on the 360 is larger simply because they've had the console around longer. They're going to make more because there are more games available. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison in regards to revenue. The PS2 games sold shockingly well, despite nearly no upgrades on any of the versions this year.

Bee

11-09-2007, 10:59 AM

Fair enough. I'd argue that if they put out the same crap for the 360 that they did on the PS3 (Madden and NCAA are two prime examples) that they wouldn't have sold nearly as well as they did. I didn't drop a dime of my money on any EA title. Also, the library that EA has on the 360 is larger simply because they've had the console around longer. They're going to make more because there are more games available. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison in regards to revenue. The PS2 games sold shockingly well, despite nearly no upgrades on any of the versions this year.

The comparison wasn't to the 360...the comparison was to FREAKING CELL PHONES! :D I never even mentioned the 360.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 11:03 AM

The comparison wasn't to the 360...the comparison was to FREAKING CELL PHONES! :D I never even mentioned the 360.

Yes, well I think we can all agree that the PS3 is as good as a cell phone. *end sarcasm*

It's excellent flame bait, but most EA investors would tell you that they're not laughing in any way over the fall in stock prices. The efforts by EA on the PS3 thus far have been deplorable.

TroyF

11-09-2007, 11:05 AM

North America - 649k vs. 138k.

That's an astounding figure.

Keep in mind, while YOU are concerned with worldwide numbers, MS is mainly concerned with US and Europe numbers. They knew they wouldn't make a dent in the Japanese market yet.

If those NA numbers don't change in a hurry. (and I don't think they will), Sony is in a world of hurt.

Galaxy

11-09-2007, 11:06 AM

Problem is, the 360 is still cheaper than the PS3.

Bee

11-09-2007, 11:09 AM

Yes, well I think we can all agree that the PS3 is as good as a cell phone. *end sarcasm*

It's excellent flame bait, but most EA investors would tell you that they're not laughing in any way over the fall in stock prices. The efforts by EA on the PS3 thus far have been deplorable.

Actually right now I'd rather have a I-phone than a PS3, so no we can't all agree on that. :D

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 11:10 AM

Problem is, the 360 is still cheaper than the PS3.

Not by nearly as much. Also, the fact that the PS3 was $200 higher priced that the 360 during its first year of existance didn't seem to hinder the consumers. Both the 360 and PS3 sold around 5.5 million units in their first year. In some cases overseas, the price difference was even larger.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 11:13 AM

North America - 649k vs. 138k.

That's an astounding figure.

So the best month ever for the 360 when THE franchise game was released should be compared to a month of reduced sales due to an immenent price cut and mean that the sky is falling? I hope similar comparisons are made by you in the Spring when MGS4 comes out. Will you announce the sky is falling based on one month then?

Galaxy

11-09-2007, 11:14 AM

MizzouRah

11-09-2007, 11:43 AM

MBBF loves to live in his own little Sony ps3 world doesn't he?

Eaglesfan27

11-09-2007, 11:51 AM

MBBF loves to live in his own little Sony ps3 world doesn't he?

He really does. He is giving way too much of the credit for the 360's record month to Halo 3. Sure it helped, but there are a ton of games which are about to come out which have also helped. Also, the 360 just had a price break. October is also when early Christmas shoppers usually start shopping. November is the heart of the shopping season. There is no real reason to think that 360 sales are going to plummet or even go down this upcoming month with great games coming out and more people doing Christmas shopping for their first next gen system. I'm sure the PS3 will get a boost from the release of a stripped down 399 dollar PS3, but there are already concerns being voiced about lots of DDE with the new cheap PS3. Also, there is a significant percent of the population who won't buy it because of the removal of backwards compatibility. It all adds up to the strong possibility that the 360 will continue to outsell the PS3 throughout the holidays. However, I'm sure MBBF will continue to spin this into a cheerful scene for Sony.

rkmsuf

11-09-2007, 11:54 AM

MBBF loves to live in his own little Sony ps3 world doesn't he?

I probably missed it but what is the reason or history for this? Does the guy work for them or something?

He's committed. I'll give him that.

MizzouRah

11-09-2007, 11:55 AM

He really does. He is giving way too much of the credit for the 360's record month to Halo 3. Sure it helped, but there are a ton of games which are about to come out which have also helped. Also, the 360 just had a price break. October is also when early Christmas shoppers usually start shopping. November is the heart of the shopping season. There is no real reason to think that 360 sales are going to plummet or even go down this upcoming month with great games coming out and more people doing Christmas shopping for their first next gen system. I'm sure the PS3 will get a boost from the release of a stripped down 399 dollar PS3, but there are already concerns being voiced about lots of DDE with the new cheap PS3. Also, there is a significant percent of the population who won't buy it because of the removal of backwards compatibility. It all adds up to the strong possibility that the 360 will continue to outsell the PS3 throughout the holidays. However, I'm sure MBBF will continue to spin this into a cheerful scene for Sony.

Fully agree with this.

Bee

11-09-2007, 12:14 PM

I probably missed it but what is the reason or history for this? Does the guy work for them or something?

He's committed. I'll give him that.

Perhaps Bill Gates did nasty things to his puppy when he was a child.

Galaxy

11-09-2007, 12:46 PM

Perhaps Bill Gates did nasty things to his puppy when he was a child.

http://360east.com/blogfileupload/billgates.jpg

Fidatelo

11-09-2007, 12:58 PM

I probably missed it but what is the reason or history for this? Does the guy work for them or something?

It's because he has a rooting interest in their success (ie, he bought one). He does this with anything that he is emotionally invested in, he will gloss over anything that goes against what he wants to hear, and jump on every little bit of positive news or spin he can get. He did this with the Penguins/Predators going to KC as well, declaring that each move was inevitable, had already been decided, etc.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 01:08 PM

I'm sure the PS3 will get a boost from the release of a stripped down 399 dollar PS3, but there are already concerns being voiced about lots of DDE with the new cheap PS3.

Link? (Hint: be careful)

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 01:18 PM

Good interview of Phil Spencer about MS Game Studios and the recent moves by several developers............

http://www.developmag.com/interviews/96/Game-On-Part-1

Microsoft Game Studios' general manager Phil Spencer on what the future holds
by Michael French

November 9, 2007

Bungie jumped, Bizarre was bought, and Bioware went to EA. If you believe the pundits, the past month has been tumultuous and troublesome for Microsoft Game Studios’ as its development partners go elsewhere. But MGS general manager Phil Spencer would beg to differ…

Let’s start with the the Bungie divestment – what are your thoughts on what has happened?

Being a game publisher means you have to properly manage that relationship with the creative talent. That is the strength that we must nurture – so when you build a partnership with a studio you have to acknowledge what will help make it strong as it can be, and as collaborative as it can be. Sometimes those relationships require an acquisition; sometimes there’s cards on the table, like IP ownership or sequel rights.
In terms of Bungie, our relationship with them now has never been stronger. Our relationship over the future of Halo, and at the same time making new Halo games, is probably at the most collaborative point it’s ever been at – and that’s what it’s all about. People can sit back and say ‘no, you have to have this kind of relationship with a developer in order to get what you need’, but that’s not really a long-term strategy. The right way to do things is just make sure the publisher and developer trust one another.
Do you think they’ll be stronger and working harder now that they are out of the comfier confines of being an in-house team?

I’ve got complete confidence in Bungie’s ability to run itself as an independent entity – as it did before we acquired them. I don’t know if they’ll be stronger as a studio in the long-term – I’m not convinced of that. And I don’t know if the strains of running a business on their own will hurt or help them. I do think that, however, the ‘live or die’ mentality that comes from being on your own, the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that kicks in, will really help the team re-motivate themselves. Bungie has made Halo games for quite a while – look at a studio like Rare, or some others out in the industry that has the chance to work on multiple projects, Bungie needs to get to that point. So where they are now should help them expand as they control their destiny.

What does the Bungie move say about Microsoft’s attitude towards acquisitions – are you moving away from them?

There’s really no formula we’re running at Redmond saying how many in-house or independents we want to have. It’s on a case-by-case basis and looking at the kinds of games or relationships we want to have. If a studio came to us today with an idea we’d talk to them about what they want to get out of the idea, what we as a publisher want out of it, and then build the business relationship between the two to make sure we both get what we want. I remember about five years ago I was sat in Las Vegas with Epic about a game called ‘Warfare’ – which turned into Gears of War – and talking about our relationship, and working out that relationship from the beginning to make sure that the end result was something we’d both be happy with. So that’s one example which has been fruitful but doesn’t mean we have to own them. Of course there are partners like Rare or Lionhead, a more recent acquisition, were you end up at a different result but still have the same great relationship.

And what was Microsoft’s reaction to Bizarre’s acquisition?

I love Bizarre Creations, I think they’re a great studio, and we’ve known them for a long while – they’ve helped us launch two platforms. I look at them as pioneers on Live with PGR2 and I will miss working with the team, but this opportunity came along for them. For where Martyn [Chudley] wanted to focus right now, and where he wanted to take the studio, it was right for them. We did talk to them before they made the final call on it, and in the end we had to look at what they wanted versus what we might have done with them. But it was best that they followed their hearts, and I wish them well. And it’s a small industry in some ways – who knows what will happen in four or five years or who we might be working with then – so it was best for us to make sure our relationship supported them.
I will miss working with them, but we are committed to PGR, and we will find other ways to get PGR done.

[B]So are you looking for another team to get that game done? [/B]

We don’t have any clear set answer for how PGR5 might come to market yet, but we’re looking at a lot of different alternatives right now. Obviously [Forza creators and internal MGS studio] Turn 10 is a strong team, and they’re really focused on Forza and it’s doing well so I wouldn’t want to distract them, but it is an option. And of course there are some great independent racing studios we are going to talk to as well. We have a real place for PGR in our portfolio, and we know what it means relative to Forza, and some of the third party alternatives are not comparable.

PGR does really well as a European property as well – it does really well as a global franchise too, but the sensibilities that come from a studio in Europe really shows in the sales success it has had.

[B]In terms of another acquisiton, the BioWare/EA deal has been perceived as a blow to MGS as well, especially as you’re publishing Mass Effect, and have presumably lost the potential sequel to that game…[/B]

Don’t assume that – we’re having discussions with BioWare. The first Mass Effect is still to come out, and I don’t want to get away ahead of that – the game has been built completely by that developer’s rules; it’s BioWare telling a story the way they want to tell it. So firstly I want to see how gamers respond to that. As for our future in that franchise – we feel very good about it, it’s still something that plays an important part in our portfolio, BioWare are a great partner, and I’m looking forward to discussing what we can do with them.

[B]But with the Bioware, Bizarre and Bungie news, many have speculated that it’s a sign of weakness on MGS’ part. One news site said the foundation of Microsoft Game Studios seems to be “built on quicksand”.[/B]

I will say – and I mean it respectfully – that I find it all a little humorous. I don’t think people sometimes completely understand the relationship between a publisher and a developer. But I know what our relationships with our partners are, and I know the collaboration. I think speculation is fine – it’s good to have smart people talking about what’s going on. But I think this time next year, when we’re sat here talking about a great Banjo game or a great Fable game, or other upcoming games, it will all be a distant memory. I understand the speculation – but quicksand in our foundations? No way.

[B]So there are no problems, as people have assumed?[/B]

Not at all. In fact, I don’t think there’s been a time at MGS when I’ve been able to go back 12 months and look forward to see how great our portfolio has done.

[B]You talk about one or two future games there. Over the past 12 months MGS has been prolific – Halo 3 Crackdown, Forza 2, Blue Dragon, Shadowrun and others – the speculation about your relationships with developers has also commented the lack of noise around 2008’s titles…[/B]

Well there are games announced that are due next year – Fable 2, Banjo, Halo Wars. Those are some big games coming up. There are other games that will come.

One of the things we don’t want to do now is getting ahead of ourselves and showing games too early. I don’t think we do a service to our games community when we show games which we’re not completely sure of what games they are going to be. I have a real sense of responsibility to those consumers that have bought our platform, and want to be comfortable that when we show a game we have belief in that game and think it is representative of what it might be when that game comes out. I’ve seen games too early – or even things shown that aren’t the game, to try and build excitement about that game, but for us I’m not about doing that. For instance: we preferred to show Halo through the Halo Beta and actually show people ‘Here’s where we are’ and let that progress through the summer – that means we’re playing fair with our audience.

[B]Certainly there has been a tendency in the past with some titles to release press assets that aren’t exactly accurate – do you think that ends up hurting the hype?[/B]

It certainly makes people ask questions. When we’re asked what’s coming up in the next two to three years, well, there’s tons we’re working on and we’re going to show them – not ‘when they’re ready’, or play some egotistical trick – but show them when they are ready to be shown.

One the experiences I’ve really learnt from the past few years was showing Too Human at E3. I’m proud to say that the game has really turned itself around – but we showed it too early back at that E3 – both Denis [Dyack, head of Too Human creator Silicon Knights] and I will put our hands up and admit that. Now we’ve since had a press event at the studio and had a great response to the game, and we’ve learnt to show a game when it’s ready.

[B]It’s been six months since Microsoft Game Studios officially opened in Europe – what’s progress been like?[/B]

We’ve built a team here now. Key for us is finding great European talent to help us both understand the development community here better, and more importantly understand the gamers in the European community. Our portfolio now, and the games coming over the 12 months, is very well targeted towards different groups – but I think we can do better at that. So helping us have a base of publishing here, filled with people who are from here will help us achieve that. And clearly for us the basis of our success is building good relationships with creative talent – that’s our number one focus overall.

[B]So have you found games ideas in Europe that you’re publishing or are you still looking?[/B]
Well, we’re always looking for good ideas. One of the strengths we’ve had in the life of 360 to date has been the strength of new IP we’ve brought to the portfolio – things like Crackdown, or something like Too Human or Gears of War. Finding those games has been very much about talking to the talent behind it and asking them what they want to make and discussing how we, as a publisher, can work on those games. We’ve definitely going to have other similar such fresh ideas come from European developers.

[B]Do you now think you’re competing better for European talent compared to those publishers – and format holders – which have been more active in Europe?[/B]

Well, there are a number of publishers with headquarters here who have been able to just hop on a plane to Vienna or Spain and have a quick conversation about a game. Being based here has made that easier, so we’re certainly closer to talent now.

[I]In part two of this interview, to be posted up during the week beginning November 12th, Spencer discusses the differences in developing for 360 and its rivals, why he’s letting Rare make a DS game (and what it will teach Microsoft Game Studios), plus his thoughts on the Silicon Knights vs Epic court case.[/I]

sabotai

11-09-2007, 02:00 PM

October is also when early Christmas shoppers usually start shopping. November is the heart of the shopping season.

Which is why the Halo 3 boost is far from over. A lot of the adults who want to play Halo 3 and did not have a 360 already probably bought it on release. All of the kids who want to play Halo 3 and do not have a 360 already will probably be getting both for Xmas, meaning their parents will be buying them in November and December, if they have not done so already.

Halo 3 will continue to push up the sales of the 360 through the holiday season because of parents buying them for their kids, which is why Microsoft would want a game like Hale 3 released in the fall to begin with.

CraigSca

11-09-2007, 02:07 PM

Not by nearly as much. Also, the fact that the PS3 was $200 higher priced that the 360 during its first year of existance didn't seem to hinder the consumers. Both the 360 and PS3 sold around 5.5 million units in their first year. In some cases overseas, the price difference was even larger.

But the problem is - Sony had the console wars WON. It was a no-brainer. You can scream peaches and sunshine all you want, but that fact is they had the entire market to themselves and the numbers are showing that they essentially screwed the pooch this time around.

My 8 year old son could have won the console war this round if he had stuck the word "Sony" on a clay ashtray. This failure on Sony's part is monumental in scale.

Eaglesfan27

11-09-2007, 02:09 PM

Which is why the Halo 3 boost is far from over. A lot of the adults who want to play Halo 3 and did not have a 360 already probably bought it on release. All of the kids who want to play Halo 3 and do not have a 360 already will probably be getting both for Xmas, meaning their parents will be buying them in November and December, if they have not done so already.

Halo 3 will continue to push up the sales of the 360 through the holiday season because of parents buying them for their kids, which is why Microsoft would want a game like Hale 3 released in the fall to begin with.

I completely agree. Also, the 349 dollar 360 includes 2 games which will be an influencing factor for parents who are trying to decide which system to get their kids while the 399 PS3 doesn't come with any, IIRC.

MFFB, I'm not sure why your hint is there. I don't have a link readily available, but I remember reading it on a few sites earlier this week. If work quiets down later this afternoon, I'll try to find it, but I saw discussion of it on OS for one, and I think Gamespot as well.

TroyF

11-09-2007, 02:19 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 02:20 PM

MFFB, I'm not sure why your hint is there. I don't have a link readily available, but I remember reading it on a few sites earlier this week. If work quiets down later this afternoon, I'll try to find it, but I saw discussion of it on OS for one, and I think Gamespot as well.

The original article was retracted after it was found that the information was totally false. The site published an apology for publishing false information as fact. The return rate on the 40 GB models has been no different from previous models thus far. Sony currently reports a defect rate of 0.2% on the PS3. Nintendo reports a 0.4% return rate on the Wii. MS refuses to give any defect information on the Xbox 360.

Galaxy

11-09-2007, 02:21 PM

I completely agree. Also, the 349 dollar 360 includes 2 games which will be an influencing factor for parents who are trying to decide which system to get their kids while the 399 PS3 doesn't come with any, IIRC.

MFFB, I'm not sure why your hint is there. I don't have a link readily available, but I remember reading it on a few sites earlier this week. If work quiets down later this afternoon, I'll try to find it, but I saw discussion of it on OS for one, and I think Gamespot as well.

Which is why I think Sony screwed up in trying to build an entertainment system, where Nintendo and Microsoft took a different route to that. Kids aren't looking for entertainment system. Parents and kids are after the best games (selection and quality) and the best value.

I think most of the hardcore gamers/fanboys have already picked up at least one system that they wanted. Now, I think we'll be entering a different phase of the console market in terms of what type of customers are avaliable. To me, I think this holiday season is very important for this generation of the console systems.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-09-2007, 02:23 PM

But the problem is - Sony had the console wars WON. It was a no-brainer. You can scream peaches and sunshine all you want, but that fact is they had the entire market to themselves and the numbers are showing that they essentially screwed the pooch this time around.

My 8 year old son could have won the console war this round if he had stuck the word "Sony" on a clay ashtray. This failure on Sony's part is monumental in scale.

Couldn't agree more with this post. I've been critical of the Sony executives from the very start. Up until the recent price cut which was a step in the right direction (BC or no BC), they haven't done much of anything right.

With that said, MS has left the door open for them to still get back in this race, which is nearly as unbelievable.

Eaglesfan27

11-09-2007, 02:32 PM

The original article was retracted after it was found that the information was totally false. The site published an apology for publishing false information as fact. The return rate on the 40 GB models has been no different from previous models thus far. Sony currently reports a defect rate of 0.2% on the PS3. Nintendo reports a 0.4% return rate on the Wii. MS refuses to give any defect information on the Xbox 360.

Hmm. Maybe I saw the article before it was retracted - still doesn't matter. You accuse MS of covering up the 360 failure rate, I wouldn't put it past Sony to do the same if their new version of the PS3 was having problems. I guess time will tell.

Neuqua

11-09-2007, 02:51 PM

To be honest, MBBF is very good at what he does. If I were up and starting my own company, he'd be on my my payroll for PR for sure.

:)

Fidatelo

11-09-2007, 03:05 PM

You think so? I wouldn't want him near mine. A lot of people can see right through his rose-coloured glasses schtick, and those that do often find it insufferable. It seems to me that he'd drive away as many or more as he'd reel in.

Galaxy

11-09-2007, 03:06 PM

To be honest, MBBF is very good at what he does. If I were up and starting my own company, he'd be on my my payroll for PR for sure.

:)

Really? You can see right through him.

MizzouRah

11-09-2007, 03:08 PM

Big Fo

11-09-2007, 04:32 PM

MBBF, you could have waited until the NPDs came out (they still will, despite that article in the September thread), vgchartz numbers might be better than nothing but they're far from accurate. The only time they are semi-useful are for games that have fallen out of the top 10/20.

My 8 year old son could have won the console war this round if he had stuck the word "Sony" on a clay ashtray. This failure on Sony's part is monumental in scale.

:D

Eaglesfan27

11-09-2007, 06:07 PM

Galaxy

11-09-2007, 07:24 PM

I don't know what happen to Sony. They brought in Howard Stringer to turn things around (though he may have entered well after the PS3 was in the pipeline). They seem to have some success with the Bravia HDTV's. Hopefully they can re-structure and bring the engineers/developers closer with the customers.

cartman

11-09-2007, 07:31 PM

Apparently, the cell processor isn't quite as great or at least as profitable as Sony wanted it to be. Design and production of the cell processor has cost over 1.7 billion dollars and now Sony is shutting down cell processor production and research and selling its stake in the cell processor technology to Toshiba:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6182641.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;2

Sony was hoping that the Cell would make in-roads into the High Performance Computing arena, ie. Supercomputers. But now that Quad-core CPUs from Intel and AMD are common place, it doesn't make much sense from a cost or time spent rewriting code for a new architecture standpoint to take a long look at the Cell for existing projects or projects in the pipeline. If anything, they might catch on in 3 or 4 years, but evidently Sony doesn't want to wait that long.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-10-2007, 09:58 AM

MBBF, you could have waited until the NPDs came out (they still will, despite that article in the September thread), vgchartz numbers might be better than nothing but they're far from accurate. The only time they are semi-useful are for games that have fallen out of the top 10/20.

I've always stated in previous threads that VGChartz numbers have a +/- of 10% on their numbers. It provides a good starting point for the discussion. I fully understand that the NPD numbers will be out as well.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-10-2007, 09:59 AM

New game news. Bioshock appears to still be on for a port to the PS3. Also, Konami will be creating an entirely new Metal Gear Solid game for the PSP, due out next year.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3164283

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-10-2007, 10:06 AM

Hmm. Maybe I saw the article before it was retracted - still doesn't matter. You accuse MS of covering up the 360 failure rate, I wouldn't put it past Sony to do the same if their new version of the PS3 was having problems. I guess time will tell.

LOL......so Microsoft is covering up their failure rate, so it means that Sony must be too? C'mon, you're better than that EF. I truly hope you're joking.

Eaglesfan27

11-10-2007, 10:12 AM

LOL......so Microsoft is covering up their failure rate, so it means that Sony must be too? C'mon, you're better than that EF. I truly hope you're joking.

No, I'm not. I found the link last night and you are right, they retracted it - after pressure from Sony. I wouldn't put it past Sony to cover things up, and I'm sure you can see that possibility as well if you would look at it objectively. Also, you should have mentioned in your last post that Bioshock coming to the PS3 is still a rumor at best, as the link mentions.

Interesting list of Game of the Year from the first of the various "award shows":

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/bioshock/news.html?sid=6182621&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded;title;1

Three of the four candidates for overall game of the year are 360 (ok PC too for Bioshock) exclusives: Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3.

The PS3 game of the year candidates:

Heavenly Sword
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk

I'm sure PS3 fans desperately want a game of Bioshock's excellence to come to the PS3, but rumor certainly doesn't mean it is happening.

However, once again, I find myself getting into ridiculous arguments with you, so I'll withdrawal again unless there is something truly newsworthy such as a new rumor of FF to the 360 ;)

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-10-2007, 10:22 AM

No, I'm not. I found the link last night and you are right, they retracted it - after pressure from Sony. I wouldn't put it past Sony to cover things up, and I'm sure you can see that possibility as well if you would look at it objectively. Also, you should have mentioned in your last post that Bioshock coming to the PS3 is still a rumor at best, as the link mentions.

Well, if Microsoft wasn't covering up their defect numbers, wouldn't they call for a retraction of the defect claims? No, they chose to sidestep the issue, although the announcement of an extention of warranty all but admits to the issue. You won't see that from Sony because it's simply not happening.

I linked the article to the information about Bioshock. I don't think I need to spell out that it's a rumor for you. You're a big kid. I never stated it was fact, even in the post.

As far as GOTY candidates, the 360 is a year further down the lifecycle. Having anything less than the majority of the GOTY candidates would be an embarrassment and show some signs of problems. They won't have the majority of the GOTY candidates next year.

sterlingice

11-10-2007, 10:25 AM

Gamers aren't stupid.

I beg to differ. Look at sales numbers for top games over the past 5 or so years and you'll see 3-5 good games and the rest crap as well as many of the top rated games get low sales. Just remember kids, if you slap a sports logo on a game and it's not complete and utter crap, it'll sell!

SI

sterlingice

11-10-2007, 10:46 AM

He really does. He is giving way too much of the credit for the 360's record month to Halo 3. Sure it helped, but there are a ton of games which are about to come out which have also helped. Also, the 360 just had a price break. October is also when early Christmas shoppers usually start shopping. November is the heart of the shopping season. There is no real reason to think that 360 sales are going to plummet or even go down this upcoming month with great games coming out and more people doing Christmas shopping for their first next gen system.

I'm going to take the Sony half of this post out of the equation. But do you seriously think that Halo 3 isn't a huge factor for the sales last month? Not only that but Halo 3 coupled with a price cut. And why was there a price cut? Because MS wanted to hit the market hard with Halo 3- it makes a great one-two punch of business sense. Those two factors are responsible for a huge majority of sales this past month.

EDIT: After looking at the charts, I'll tone down some of that
http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=XB&reg1=All&cons2=X360&reg2=America&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39089&end=39390

The numbers aren't quite as dramatic. We're still talking an extra 100K per week (basically, adding on 60-80% per week/month) but it didn't quite double sales. Still, that's a huge chunk and Halo 3 is directly responsible for it.

SI

sterlingice

11-10-2007, 10:49 AM

http://360east.com/blogfileupload/billgates.jpg

Bill Gates = Izulde?

SI

sterlingice

11-10-2007, 10:50 AM

Eaglesfan27

11-10-2007, 11:17 AM

I'm going to take the Sony half of this post out of the equation. But do you seriously think that Halo 3 isn't a huge factor for the sales last month? Not only that but Halo 3 coupled with a price cut. And why was there a price cut? Because MS wanted to hit the market hard with Halo 3- it makes a great one-two punch of business sense. Those two factors are responsible for a huge majority of sales this past month.

EDIT: After looking at the charts, I'll tone down some of that
http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=XB&reg1=All&cons2=X360&reg2=America&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39089&end=39390

The numbers aren't quite as dramatic. We're still talking an extra 100K per week (basically, adding on 60-80% per week/month) but it didn't quite double sales. Still, that's a huge chunk and Halo 3 is directly responsible for it.

SI

I said that I think Halo is part of it. I also think Mass Effect, Bioshock getting incredible reviews, and holiday shopping are also factors. I wasn't denying Halo 3 is part of the boost, I just think he gives too much credit to just Halo 3 and that sales aren't going plummet this month.

sabotai

11-10-2007, 11:54 AM

However, once again, I find myself getting into ridiculous arguments with you

Maybe you should see a shrink about this problem you have. You know, they do say the definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result.

Eaglesfan27

11-10-2007, 11:57 AM

Maybe you should see a shrink about this problem you have. You know, they do say the definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result.

:D

Big Fo

11-10-2007, 01:21 PM

Oh, and to go along with the 9.5 on Gamespot for Mario Galaxy, IGN gave it a 9.7. It's getting harder for me to not buy a Wii, particularly since the game I was waiting most on got great reviews (and SSBM is looking good as well but, of course, it's still not out yet)

SI

Second best game of all time (well, at least since Internet reviews became somewhat common) according to gamerankings.com (97.3%), and the best game in a decade, a mere .3% behind Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Only two more days until this gem is mine, the waiting is killing me.

MJ4H

11-10-2007, 01:25 PM

but it's not game of the year!

Big Fo

11-10-2007, 01:28 PM

Well of course not silly. Everyone knows that for a game to be fun it has to be in high-def and based around getting headshots.

sterlingice

11-10-2007, 01:34 PM

Second best game of all time (well, at least since Internet reviews became somewhat common) according to gamerankings.com (97.3%), and the best game in a decade, a mere .3% behind Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Only two more days until this gem is mine, the waiting is killing me.

To be fair, lets wait until a few more reviews come in before we dub it one of the best ever. ;)

SI

Big Fo

11-10-2007, 01:59 PM

At this point we're talking about 14 reviews, hardly a paltry sum. I'll wait until I get to play Galaxy myself before I proclaim it to be one of the all-time greats but that doesn't change the fact that the gaming press certainly seems to feel that way.

Big Fo

11-10-2007, 02:10 PM

I came across this article yesterday, showing how tame our modern-day system wars are compared to Nintendo v. Sega over a decade ago, it's a great read if like me you were a kid in the early to mid 90s and remember a few things like the Mortal Kombat blood controversy, "Sega does what Nintendon't," and how awesome Donkey Kong Country looked and sounded when it came out but would like to read something a little more in-depth.

Nintendo v. Sgea: The Console War - Part One (http://advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=10238)

Nintendo v. Sega: The Console War - Part Two (http://advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=10303)

MizzouRah

11-10-2007, 08:41 PM

MJ4H

11-10-2007, 08:54 PM

At about 3:45 into that video, my jaw hit the floor. It pretty much stayed there the rest of the video. I can't believe how amazing this game looks.

sterlingice

11-10-2007, 09:11 PM

I should check out that video- I just read the reviews.

SI

Daimyo

11-10-2007, 09:43 PM

Wow. I actually placed an order with Amazon for the game earlier tonight since I was ordering some other stuff anyway. After seeing that video, I wish I hadn't so I could pick it up first thing Monday morning!

MizzouRah

11-11-2007, 08:11 AM

It looks like one of those games where 3 days could pass by and you wouldn't know it.

When some of you get it, start an impressions thread so I can drool.

Kodos

11-11-2007, 09:37 AM

Why are we talking about last gen titles?

MJ4H

11-11-2007, 10:06 AM

die in a hotel fire

Kodos

11-11-2007, 04:19 PM

See? Nintendo fans are the most defensive! ;)

Atocep

11-11-2007, 04:21 PM

I predict this Wii fad will be ending any day now.

sterlingice

11-11-2007, 08:08 PM

I, too, predict this based on how awesome Mario Galaxy looked when I was watching some kids play it in Nebraska Furniture Mart today :)

SI

MizzouRah

11-11-2007, 09:24 PM

I, too, predict this based on how awesome Mario Galaxy looked when I was watching some kids play it in Nebraska Furniture Mart today :)

SI

Yeah, I've seen just about all I can take. :D

I think I'd like Power Pros and Metroid Prime.. what other games are "must buys" for the Wii?

sterlingice

11-11-2007, 09:33 PM

MizzouRah

11-11-2007, 10:46 PM

Thank you SI!

Atocep

11-11-2007, 11:09 PM

I'd check out the Wii games thread as I don't have one. But from the outside looking in, this is the first A+ title. Metroid is an A. Twilight Princess is an A if you didn't get it for Gamecube, same with Resident Evil 4. Power Pros is one of the many B titles out there- basically, if you like the genre of game, there's tons of stuff for you. Same with the Rayman games, Zack and Wiki, Super Paper Mario, Guitar Hero 3, Mario Strikers, Batallion Wars, Monkey Ball, Excite Truck, etc. I think Wii Play is a good purchase because you get a second nunchuck and pay $10 for a bunch of mini games, about half of which are fun.

Also, Smash Bros, which looks great, is coming out in February, and Mario Kart is due for the first half of next year, but I bet it will be pushed back to something like August. Also, a lot of fun B stuff like Soulcalibur and Puzzle quest are coming out soon, too.

SI

SI pretty much sums up the good games. The Virtual Console also has some great games on it. Mario 3, Super Mario World, and Mario 64 are great, Punch Out! is on there and Super Punch Out! is due out in a couple months. My son is 5 and absolutely loves the Wii. Its a great introduction to video games for kids because it plays the Wii games, Gamecube games, and also has the library of VC games.

Pacersfan46

11-12-2007, 12:03 AM

Given that several online retailers sold out of their initial stock of 40 GB PS3's, it's likely that we'll see a pretty good spike for the PS3.

The original Xbox came out in Japan, and was a hot seller on "online retailers" reaching top spots on Amazons Japanese website, and others. I can distinctly remember Xbox zealots screaming this in the face of all common sense, and reason when people said Xbox wouldn't sell at all in Japan.

Just like original Xbox fans in Japan, you're really reaching for any, and all signs of life. I think that should tell you something.

-- Steve --

MJ4H

11-12-2007, 08:06 AM

Mario Kart is due for the first half of next year, but I bet it will be pushed back to something like August.
SI

BITE YOUR TONGUE

astrosfan64

11-12-2007, 08:11 AM

MJ4H

11-12-2007, 08:23 AM

Cartoon characters does not equal kid's game. Your last statement is also untrue.

astrosfan64

11-12-2007, 08:31 AM

Cartoon characters does not equal kid's game. Your last statement is also untrue.

Name one cross platform game better on Wii?

Kodos

11-12-2007, 08:51 AM

I'll take a Ratchet & Clank game over a Mario game any day of the week. I've never understood the popularity of the Mario series.

MikeVic

11-12-2007, 08:52 AM

Name one cross platform game better on Wii?

MLB Power Pros isn't even available on the 360 or PS3. They have big heads, but the game is very good.

Kodos

11-12-2007, 08:53 AM

Isn't it on the PS2? Which means it is also on the PS3.

MikeVic

11-12-2007, 08:55 AM

I'll take a Ratchet & Clank game over a Mario game any day of the week. I've never understood the popularity of the Mario series.

Because you're an alien. ;) I've never understood the popularity of the Halo series either. There are better single player FPS out there, and there are better multiplayer FPS out there. At least ones that I get more enjoyment out of.

And if you've played the old Mario platformers and still don't see the appeal... I'm never taking your video game opinion seriously. No, this isn't one of those "holier than thou" posts. I just love the old platformers and if we disagree on those, we'd most likely disagree on a lot of other games.

MikeVic

11-12-2007, 08:56 AM

Isn't it on the PS2? Which means it is also on the PS3.

Not the new 40GB model. ;)

Yeah, I forgot about the BC. But it's not on the 360 then haha.

astrosfan64

11-12-2007, 08:57 AM

MLB Power Pros isn't even available on the 360 or PS3. They have big heads, but the game is very good.

That is the best sports game on the wii. How sad is that?

MikeVic

11-12-2007, 09:02 AM

That is the best sports game on the wii. How sad is that?

What's the best sports game on the 360 or the PS3? I'd argue that MLB Power Pros is the best baseball game out there for any system. it's just so fun to play., and gives pretty realistic stats.

Mustang

11-12-2007, 10:22 AM

That is the best sports game on the wii. How sad is that?

If graphics are one of your benchmarks for how fun a game is then you will pretty much find fault with everything that Wii has out compared to the PS3 and Xbox. It is just apples and oranges.

For me, graphics don't make a game fun, it's the gameplay. It is what allows me to still play Sea Battle and Dreadnaught Factor on my Intellivision and revisit X-Com on the PC every so often.

Abe Sargent

11-12-2007, 10:46 AM

If graphics are one of your benchmarks for how fun a game is then you will pretty much find fault with everything that Wii has out compared to the PS3 and Xbox. It is just apples and oranges.

For me, graphics don't make a game fun, it's the gameplay. It is what allows me to still play Sea Battle and Dreadnaught Factor on my Intellivision and revisit X-Com on the PC every so often.

Told you folks Sea Battle was the true classic from IntelliVision back in my Dynasty. That is a game that stood the test of time.

MJ4H

11-12-2007, 11:17 AM

Name one cross platform game better on Wii?Madden 07

TroyF

11-12-2007, 11:23 AM

Just some quick notes from the thread:

1) I'm having a blast with Ratchet and Clank. This is a beautiful game.
2) Looking forward to SMG. Looks like an incredible title.
3) Power Pros is the best baseball game on any system.
4) SMG, Assassins Creed and Mass Effect will all have to do something amazing for me to drop Bioshock from the top spot. That's not to say it can't happen, but I really loved Bioshock.

MJ4H

11-12-2007, 11:27 AM

That is the best sports game on the wii. How sad is that?

Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 looks way better than any sports game on any platform. Revolutionary control system that is simply not possible on any of the other systems. Hopefully it will be as good as the preview video looks.

Big Fo

11-12-2007, 12:03 PM

Wii is the best console for ages 6 to 12. I won't argue that point.

I mean all their A++ titles are cartoon characters or humans with big heads and little bodies. Even their best sports game is that gay ass Japan style art. Any cross platform game is always better on the 360 vs the Wii.

So much failure in this post :D
Troll harder next time kthx.

3) Power Pros is the best baseball game on any system.
4) SMG, Assassins Creed and Mass Effect will all have to do something amazing for me to drop Bioshock from the top spot. That's not to say it can't happen, but I really loved Bioshock.

3) Agreed.
4) It's just one man's opinion but I felt Bioshock was somewhat overrated. The story was pretty awesome, the graphics were great, and the plasmids and Big Daddies were pretty cool. After that the gameplay still boiled down to find the keys, kill anything that moves. It's a good game don't get me wrong just not as mindblowingly awesome as many say. I actually prefer Metroid Prime 3 but then again it's far from my favorite genre anyhow.

Because you're an alien. I've never understood the popularity of the Halo series either. There are better single player FPS out there, and there are better multiplayer FPS out there. At least ones that I get more enjoyment out of.

And if you've played the old Mario platformers and still don't see the appeal... I'm never taking your video game opinion seriously. No, this isn't one of those "holier than thou" posts. I just love the old platformers and if we disagree on those, we'd most likely disagree on a lot of other games.

Well said. Super Mario World is still one of the best games I've ever played. If I don't find Galaxy today I'll probably download Mario 3 off the Virtual Console and reminisce.

Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 looks way better than any sports game on any platform. Revolutionary control system that is simply not possible on any of the other systems. Hopefully it will be as good as the preview video looks.

From reading other people's impressions PES2008 has it's fair share of bugs and has big problems with online lag so it might not even be hard to outdo the 360/PS3 version. The Wii version looks like it could be anywhere from revolutionary awesomeness to broken and gimmicky so I'll have to wait and see on that. I'm hopeful though.

astrosfan64

11-12-2007, 12:10 PM

Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 looks way better than any sports game on any platform. Revolutionary control system that is simply not possible on any of the other systems. Hopefully it will be as good as the preview video looks.

The control system on the Wii is bad. At least for me it is. I don't want to move around a wand, or shake my hand. I don't want to swing my arm.

I want to press up and down on thumbsticks and press my 8 buttons with my fingers.

I tried playing Lengend of Zelda on my Wii and I hated the damn controls. I would of rather just used button combos. I loved the game, but again the controls annoyed me.

If I wanted to really bowl, or play baseball or play golf. I would get off my ass and go bowling, golfing or hit balls at a batting cage.

Super Paper Mario, great game my kid loved it. I did to, but we both hated, using the damn wand on the screen to search for hidden things.

Madden 07 on the Wii was not good, but again I don't like the controls. I don't think the graphics were as good either.

I'm not here to bash your inner child and your little minds. I'm just here to point out that kids like Wii :) (troll line)

The best interface around is still the mouse and keyboard for FPS or RTS. I don't want them to change it, but they keep trying.

rkmsuf

11-12-2007, 12:13 PM

I haven't been able to grasp button combos in years. In my day we had one red button. And we liked it!

Maybe two buttons. Anything else is an abomination and should be outlawed.

MJ4H

11-12-2007, 12:32 PM

The Wii version looks like it could be anywhere from revolutionary awesomeness to broken and gimmicky so I'll have to wait and see on that. I'm hopeful though.

It could definitely go either way, but I am thrilled they are trying this.

MizzouRah

11-12-2007, 12:37 PM

I'm a graphics whore, that being said I'm starting to look for games that are "fun" while not driving me nuts with sliders and tweak this and that crap. I'm sick of it.

Yes, the days are gone where we could pop in Tecmo bowl and just have some fun, albeit unrealistic.. but fun nonetheless.

I'm yearning to get back to those days and I'm tired of console sports games.. which brings me to games like Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, and others that look to be quite fun while allowing my kids to hop on and play as well. The Xbox 360 has always been about me, although my 11 year old loves Viva Pinata - but I want the whole family to get envolved and the Wii is becoming something I think we'd all like - dispite my thoughts of it too "kiddie" up to this point.

I credit Super Mario Galaxy (at least the reivews and videos of the game) for making me wonder if the Wii is the right fit or at least the option of a 2nd console. Not to mention, I can play Guitar Hero 3 and I see stuff like a wireless gun coming out for it. :)

Mustang

11-12-2007, 01:14 PM

Assassins Creed and Mass Effect will all have to do something amazing for me to drop Bioshock from the top spot.

Early returns look good for Assassins Creed. Guess I'll find out first hand tomorrow.

Galaxy

11-12-2007, 01:51 PM

Big Fo

11-12-2007, 04:56 PM

Motherfucker, totally denied in my quest to buy Mario Galaxy today. I want to freeze myself Eric Cartman-style until this time tomorrow so I don't have to wait another 24 hours.

Daimyo

11-12-2007, 06:09 PM

MizzouRah

11-12-2007, 06:41 PM

Any sports games you have fun with? The 2k hoops series? This year's NHL 2008?

MLB 2k7
NHL 2k7

I'm not much of a hoops guy as far as video games go, I prefer the text sim versions.

the FPS are stellar on the 360 though and I'm picking up Assassins Creed tomorrow I hope.

Big Fo

11-12-2007, 07:10 PM

Picked up SMG today, but it was harder than it should have been.

Went to Target... told the game doesn't release until Wednesday.
Went to Best Buy... told the game doesn't release until tomorrow.
Went to Wal-Mart... bought it with hassle.

What is with the confusion over release dates? Given that the game shipped to retailers last week there is no excuse to not be selling it today!

A few different places told me they expected their FedEx shipment in the morning or early afternoon, I have no idea if they were just saying that or the stores actually have them in the back waiting for Tuesday and they didn't want to get in a conversation about it.

It seems like a lot of stores are releasing the game on Tuesday like they normally do even though the Nintendo said the game came out today.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 09:23 AM

Couple of good deals at Fry's for those of you that live near one. They are selling Assassin's Creed for 360/PS3 for $39.99. Also, they are taking preorders for Unreal Tournament 3 for the PS3 for $49.99 (Due out in early to mid-December).

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5384558

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 09:33 AM

Couple of news notes on the console sales front.....

First, NPD has rethought it's previous stance about reducing the amount of information released on a monthly basis. They will be sticking with the same system that they've always had rather than cutting back to quarterly reports.

First day sales numbers for the 40 GB PS3 are in. 36,000 40 GB PS3's were sold on the first day available. It will be interesting to see how sales progress over the next couple of weeks as Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, and Heavenly Sword are released in Japan.

spleen1015

11-13-2007, 09:35 AM

I must be blind. I can't find Assassin's Creed on their site.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 09:48 AM

I must be blind. I can't find Assassin's Creed on their site.

The offer is in-store only in their weekly ad.

spleen1015

11-13-2007, 10:01 AM

Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 10:09 AM

Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm still not sure though why it isn't listed on the site. I saw the scan of the advertising flyer on another site for the deal.

spleen1015

11-13-2007, 10:16 AM

I'm still not sure though why it isn't listed on the site. I saw the scan of the advertising flyer on another site for the deal.

Is that price in effect today or this weekend?

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 10:49 AM

Is that price in effect today or this weekend?

I believe it was for this week. I'm a bit irritated because I didn't copy the link when I saw it earlier today and now I can't find it.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 10:53 AM

Interesting story that was removed pretty quickly after it was posted.

Microsoft told the Official Xbox Magazine that the update, scheduled for December 4, will allow Xbox 360 owners to download classic titles such as Halo, Fable, Crash Bandicoot and Burnout 3 via Xbox Live Marketplace for around 1200 Microsoft points per title. As time goes by, the platform holder reportedly hopes to make as much of the original Xbox’s back catalog of titles available to Xbox 360 owners as possible.

I'm guessing someone let this slip a bit early and the magazine got a call from Microsoft to remove it.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 12:25 PM

Enterbrain Japanese console data in for the week ending November 11th. PS3 pushes through 66K units despite release occuring on last day of the reporting week. Wii receives 2.5K unit boost (up to 37.5K) from release of Super Mario Galaxy. 360 sales fall back to previous sales numbers after a brief one week boost due to release of 360 Elite unit and Ace Combat 6 in Japan.

http://www.texyt.com/40GB+Sony+PS3+sales+50,000+Japan+Enterbrain+Famitsu+00120

40GB PS3 sells 50,000 in first day in Japan
By T Arakaki - Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:15.

Sales of Sony's PS3 video games console surged 300 per cent after the company released a cheaper model in Japan last week, according to leaked survey data.

Sony Japan introduced the new PS3 model with a 40GB hard disk drive on November 11. One day later, local PS3 weekly sales figures had soared from an average of 16,000 to almost 66,000.

The figures are contained in preliminary data from the latest edition of a regular survey by Japan-based video games publisher and market survey firm, Enterbrain.

The substantial surge in weekly sales comes despite the release of the console occurring on the last day of the week. It is unclear what proportion of the sales resulted from pre-orders.

PS3 takes top spot

The huge increase in sales enabled the PS3 to take the top spot in full-sized console sales from Nintendo's Wii console for the first time. The Wii typically sells less than 35,000 per week in Japan, although sales have risen to 37,500 following the release of the popular game, Super Mario Galaxy.

The 40GB unit retails for $100 less than older models. The new console also lacks some features, including a flash memory device reader, two of the original four USB ports, and backwards compatibility with PS2 games. The Japanese version of the 40GB PS3 features a new 'Ceramic White' case color.

Mustang

11-13-2007, 12:35 PM

Early returns look good for Assassins Creed. Guess I'll find out first hand tomorrow.

Actually.. check that.. early returns look mediocre. Probably going to be in the 8.0 range. (Repetitive and AI issues seems to be the common thread)

Pumpy Tudors

11-13-2007, 12:39 PM

I guess this can double as the "upcoming/newly-released video games" thread. I've read discouraging things about Assassin's Creed, and it went from a "must hunt for it tonight" to "rent it whenever I'm bored." Generally, the complaints I've read involve repetitive gameplay and no real need to use the "stealth" that was supposed to be one of the main selling points. Ah, well. With Mass Effect and College Hoops coming out next week, I think I'll survive.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 12:45 PM

Actually.. check that.. early returns look mediocre. Probably going to be in the 8.0 range. (Repetitive and AI issues seems to be the common thread)

I think the game is a great idea in theory, but it's no small feat to provide a stealth game that provides what a gamer feels is accurate AI responses to your actions. Also, the ton of hype related to this game plus the release delay put it in a position where it was awfully tough to live up to expectations that were set for it.

Pumpy Tudors

11-13-2007, 12:45 PM

Actually.. check that.. early returns look mediocre. Probably going to be in the 8.0 range. (Repetitive and AI issues seems to be the common thread)
Is it just me, or did 8.0 in the old days mean a very good game that pretty much everybody should at least play once? I know that things are different now, but am I remembering the past wrong?

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-13-2007, 12:48 PM

Is it just me, or did 8.0 in the old days mean a very good game that pretty much everybody should at least play once? I know that things are different now, but am I remembering the past wrong?

We could start an entirely new thread dedicated to what review scores really mean. Review staffs at websites are constantly debating what scoring scale they should use for reviews and what score goes with a given game. The best thing is to just read the review to find out what works and does not work in the game.

Atocep

11-13-2007, 12:48 PM

Is it just me, or did 8.0 in the old days mean a very good game that pretty much everybody should at least play once? I know that things are different now, but am I remembering the past wrong?

Depends on the reviewer. 8.0 should mean a very good game and a must buy for fans of the genre, but its not always that way.

When in doubt, I usually go with gamespot. They can be pretty harsh on games and are quick to point out flaws. The only other advice is to actually read the review. I know with IGN you'll read the review, think its a 7.0 game or maybe even a bit lower and then you see they gave it an 8.0.

Pumpy Tudors

11-13-2007, 01:06 PM

MizzouRah

11-13-2007, 01:11 PM

Actually.. check that.. early returns look mediocre. Probably going to be in the 8.0 range. (Repetitive and AI issues seems to be the common thread)

Now this disappoints me. :(

MizzouRah

11-13-2007, 02:32 PM

Someone posted this from the IGN review:

IGN is really harsh in their video review:

Hilary: "I would go on to say that Assassins Creed would be the top 5 most dissapointing games of all time." and "...this is a rental, there is no need to go back to play it more than once...in fact, you probably won't even finish it once."

:(

Mustang

11-13-2007, 02:32 PM

Mustang

11-13-2007, 02:53 PM

Ouch... me thinks I'll see if I can cancel my pre-order and put the $ towards Mass Effect or Bio

Eaglesfan27

11-13-2007, 03:40 PM

FWIW, Gamespot (which of the big sites is the one I think is usually the most reliable) gave Assassin's Creed a 9.0 on both the 360 and PS3 and said that it is "a beautiful and exciting experience that you will remember for years to come." They also say it is one of the best games of the year and a must own. The pros according to them:
Huge, gorgeous world that feels wholly alive
Fluid controls make it fun to run across city rooftops
Joyous mix of stealth, action, and platforming
Stunning sound design features fantastic voice acting and a beautiful musical score
Tons of small details will constantly amaze you.The Cons are a confusing ending and a few small visual glitches.

Here is the link:

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/assassinscreed/review.html?sid=6182793

astrosfan64

11-13-2007, 03:43 PM

Where can i go on the internet to check sales of a game.

Like if I wanted to see how many copies of Company of Heroes sold? Or a check on the copies of Football Manager, or the bigs etc...

sabotai

11-13-2007, 04:07 PM

Regardless of what the scores really mean these days, I guess I just wonder if they were more consistent 15 or 20 years ago. Maybe it just seems that way to me because there were fewer people doing reviews back then.

Maybe, but another factor is that game review websites need traffic to their site to generate ad revenue. The best way to advertise your website is to get on on the boxes of games and their website. All PR people care about are numbers. PR knows that most people see 8.0 and think "good game", so regardless of what the review actually says, they sale on "8.0 - IGN.com". So IGN gives high number scores to games, even medicore ones, so that game companies will put their name on the games.

Some people know their scam, which is why IGN and 1up have become jokes among a lot of the hardcore gamer circles. But they don't care, because 90% of the people don't know any better, and they go to their websites and IGN and 1up keep making a lot in ad revenue.

Gamespot does seem to be a bit harsher on games with their number ratings.

Eaglesfan27

11-13-2007, 04:20 PM

Calis

11-13-2007, 04:25 PM

I'm reading up about Assassin's Creed because my wife wants my Christmas list by this weekend, and I'm flying out of town Friday morning for my boards. It is mostly being very well received. Game Informer gave it a 9.5 out of 10, Gamepro gave it a 5 out of 5. IGN appears to be the only site that has ripped it from what I can find so far. I'm hoping someone on here has some first hand thoughts about it by Thursday.

Just fyi, from glancing at Metacritic it looks like IGN, Gamespy, Eurogamer, 1Up, Planet XBox360, and Team Xbox all ranked it in the 70's or below. So take that for what it's worth.

I was actually looking for an excuse to pass up either Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect, so I might be holding off on AC for a while. That would give me the opportunity to pick up Rock Band as well next week maybe which would be great. :)

Eaglesfan27

11-13-2007, 04:27 PM

Just fyi, from glancing at Metacritic it looks like IGN, Gamespy, Eurogamer, 1Up, Planet XBox360, and Team Xbox all ranked it in the 70's or below. So take that for what it's worth.

I was actually looking for an excuse to pass up either Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect, so I might be holding off on AC for a while. That would give me the opportunity to pick up Rock Band as well next week maybe which would be great. :)

Thanks. I was looking at Gamerankings's site where they don't have most of those reviews up yet.

MizzouRah

11-13-2007, 04:34 PM

I wish I would have read EF's post before getting home. :) I trust Gamespot's reviews more so than IGN's and from that review, I think I might pick it up now.

Big Fo

11-13-2007, 06:12 PM

"I would go on to say that Assassins Creed would be the top 5 most dissapointing games of all time." and "...this is a rental, there is no need to go back to play it more than once...in fact, you probably won't even finish it once."

Yet it still gets an 7.5

I'm not really sure when 7ish became average or when 5 became horrific, or maybe it was always this way.

Scores aren't very useful unless you know how well the reviewer's tastes match up with your own or just average a bunch of them together. When in doubt, read the text.

MizzouRah

11-13-2007, 06:37 PM

Yet it still gets an 7.5

I'm not really sure when 7ish became average or when 5 became horrific, or maybe it was always this way.

Scores aren't very useful unless you know how well the reviewer's tastes match up with your own or just average a bunch of them together. When in doubt, read the text.

I'm not much for IGN's reviews anyhow.. without seeing the full review or score, that clip was worrysome.

Mustang

11-13-2007, 07:34 PM

My copy is in. After I eat, I'll be picking it up and I'll give some of my impressions.

RainMaker

11-13-2007, 08:37 PM

I have Assassin's Creed coming in the mail. I've seen some mixed reviews out on the game. On one hand the graphics and design look incredible. The storyline is also supposed to be interesting with some unique twists. The gameplay looks to be kind of easy and repetitive.

Still, I'm someone who is just sick of first person shooters. I'll support efforts by any company to take their chances on a unique game like this.

Here's a fairly nice review of the game:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27616.html

RainMaker

11-13-2007, 08:42 PM

Mizzou B-Ball, you put a lot of effort into justifying your purchase of a PS3. I'm not sure what you're arguing about though, I think the console battle is over. The 360 has dominated from the start and still continues to gain on the PS3. Sure a price cut and a couple games might help push a few more units for the PS3, but isn't it a bit too late?

MJ4H

11-13-2007, 08:49 PM

hahaha

the battle for second place i guess??

Big Fo

11-13-2007, 09:17 PM

I've played about three and a half hours of Mario Galaxy and have 13 stars, this game is amazing so far. You go from making crazy long jumps in full orbit around a planetoid to old school 2D platforming then back into 3D for a boss battle on a Super Mario Bros. 3 style flying battleship while occasionally flying around as a bumblebee, and all of it is fun as hell. It only took me a few moments to get comfortable with running and jumping on the underside of a planet. The music might be the best I have heard in any video game that I've played. Time to get back to it and play some more...

DeToxRox

11-13-2007, 09:28 PM

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/1191057706

Its a collection of Assassin Creed reviews to this point.

MizzouRah

11-13-2007, 10:19 PM

It's funny how this thread has morphed into a game impressions thread. :)

I'm about to get a Wii I think. I will say, COD 4 might be the best FPS I've ever played.

Mustang

11-13-2007, 10:52 PM

Well, my 1 1/2 - 2 hours of play won't lead to any big insights into it.

The beginning part is very draggy with not alot of action going on. They spend much of the time working on the back story to the main game so, there are alot of long sequences with alot of dialog.

As stated in other website previews, the voice acting is nicely done other than the main character who's voice comes off as a little Midwestern Average Joe. (Its like Keanu Reeves. Hey.. everyone, talk with an accent but, you Keanu... don't even bother).

1 novel thing about the cut scenes is the ability to go to different camera angles which gives more of a different cinematic view. Also, you can rotate while the scene is going on to give it a different view. (doesn't add anything to the gameplay but, just a different way of doing cut scenes) One thing I don't like is that you can interact at times by pressing a button. Unfortunately, the interactions appear necessary to move forward and sometimes don't add anything. (Ok, I had to interact to go to sleep to advance the game... why? Shit.. just show me going to sleep)

Obviously, the worlds are very nicely done although, I do see a bit of pixelation from time to time I haven't noticed any big framerate issues. The beginning tutorials guide you more down a path so, I didn't do alot of exploring as I haven't reached the meat of the game yet as it is more of a go here... go here... go here... Although, I don't expect to have free reign just yet given it is a tutorial.

Combat is more of your typical button mash with a little more 'flair' on the kills. You have a choice of 4 weapons with block move, strike, grab. Nothing really innovative there.

Unfortunately, I had 1 freeze up in the game so, had to redo like 10 minutes of the game since the last freeze. First freeze I can remember in a game since Madden back when I first bought it.

So.. mostly my first hours were a tutorial/cinematic experience. My gut is leaning towards that this will be a visually stunning game but, typical FPS gameplay....

Mustang

11-13-2007, 10:53 PM

It's funny how this thread has morphed into a game impressions thread. :)

Hey, it's what drives the sales. :)

I'm waiting for the PS3 to have a must buy so I can get one. :)

sterlingice

11-13-2007, 10:56 PM

Depends on the reviewer. 8.0 should mean a very good game and a must buy for fans of the genre, but its not always that way.

When in doubt, I usually go with gamespot. They can be pretty harsh on games and are quick to point out flaws. The only other advice is to actually read the review. I know with IGN you'll read the review, think its a 7.0 game or maybe even a bit lower and then you see they gave it an 8.0.

I can't speak as much to the XBox 360 and the PS3 but I find IGN's Nintendo reviews much more informative than Gamespot's. They have a bunch of editors who seemed to like old school games and like gaming in general whereas I read entirely too many Nintendo reviews on Gamespot that seem like they are from an editor bitter that they missed out on the YAFPS for the XBox 360 or sports game for PS3 and were exiled to the kiddie planet.

That said, IGN has massive grade inflation.

SI

sterlingice

11-13-2007, 10:57 PM

It's funny how this thread has morphed into a game impressions thread. :)

Oh, how awful :D

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-14-2007, 08:41 AM

It's interesting. It seems to be a great time to be a platform-exclusive developer. Games like Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and Zach and Wiki are all getting 9+ Metacritic reviews, while many multiconsole games get sub-par review scores or are delayed to future quarters. All of them offer distinctly different gameplay elements to gamers. Good to see gamers getting value-added games on each console.

albionmoonlight

11-14-2007, 08:46 AM

Games like Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and Zach and Wiki are all getting 9+ Metacritic reviews, while many multiconsole games get sub-par review scores.

Why do y'all think that is?

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-14-2007, 09:01 AM

Why do y'all think that is?

Obviously, the parties close to the studios are able to concentrate on one architecture rather than having to develop for multiple systems that are quite different from one another. The studios that develop for several consoles are taking a financial blood bath right now. They don't have enough resources to develop games well for all consoles. Instead, they're putting out mediocre games on multiple consoles that aren't doing well at all.

Izulde

11-14-2007, 09:04 AM

Why do y'all think that is?

Assuming you're not being facetious or sarcastic ;)

Focusing on one system allows for greater concentration of resources and a higher quality end product.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-14-2007, 10:35 AM

Weekly sales figures for PAL territories for week ending November 10th:

Wii: 247K
PS2: 84K
PS3: 82K
360: 54K

Wii continues to sell well in Europe. PS2 still holding off a charge from its big brother.

albionmoonlight

11-14-2007, 10:40 AM

Thanks. I know so little about game development that I really didn't realize what a big deal it was to only have to focus on one console.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-14-2007, 10:40 AM

Bioshock developers finally get wise and give an official 'NO' on the Bioshock to PS3 rumor rather than giving their 'we won't currently discuss development on other consoles' answer.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/14/2k-games-no-bioshock-on-ps3-stop-asking/

dawgfan

11-14-2007, 01:17 PM

Thanks. I know so little about game development that I really didn't realize what a big deal it was to only have to focus on one console.
The 360 and PS3 are both powerful machines, but their architecture is quite different. Optimizing your game engine for both platforms requires a lot of work (i.e. time and money), and certain content has to be either customized for each console or dumbed-down to allow easy porting between both.

The upside to cross-platform development is reduced development cost - while it does take additional work to optimize your game for each console, much of the raw work transfers, so the cost when spread out between the multiple SKU's is less than if you were building specifically for one SKU, and your potential audience is obviously larger.

astrosfan64

11-14-2007, 08:50 PM

The 360 and PS3 are both powerful machines, but their architecture is quite different. Optimizing your game engine for both platforms requires a lot of work (i.e. time and money), and certain content has to be either customized for each console or dumbed-down to allow easy porting between both.

The upside to cross-platform development is reduced development cost - while it does take additional work to optimize your game for each console, much of the raw work transfers, so the cost when spread out between the multiple SKU's is less than if you were building specifically for one SKU, and your potential audience is obviously larger.

One other thing to note. It is much easier to develop for the 360 then the PS3. Not to mention and this is a biggy. It is very easy for a game to be developed for both the 360 and the PC at the same time.

Microsoft was smart in the way they did that.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-15-2007, 08:00 AM

One other thing to note. It is much easier to develop for the 360 then the PS3. Not to mention and this is a biggy. It is very easy for a game to be developed for both the 360 and the PC at the same time.

Microsoft was smart in the way they did that.

Easier = better games? Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell. There was an uproar of complaints about how difficult the PS2 was to deal with when it was released. If the user base is available, developers will find a way to make it work. Increasing the user base should obviously be Sony and MS's main goal at this point.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-15-2007, 10:51 AM

Surprised that no one mentioned that Carssissione (sp?) is being offered for free on Xbox Live for one day only to celebrate the 5 year anniversary of Xbox Live.

SackAttack

11-15-2007, 10:56 AM

two days, I thought - 11/15 through the end of 11/16.

Fidatelo

11-15-2007, 10:57 AM

I hope it's two days because I don't get back home until tomorrow.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-15-2007, 11:15 AM

two days, I thought - 11/15 through the end of 11/16.

Yep, you're right. Here's the details.......

As a gesture of thanks to the community, all eight-million members will have the opportunity to download a free Xbox LIVE Arcade game, between 08:01 a.m. on 15th November 15 and 7:59 a.m. on 17th November. In addition to this, every active Gold member who joined the service at launch will receive 500 MS Points for free.

Pumpy Tudors

11-15-2007, 12:07 PM

I can't remember if I joined Xbox Live at launch or not. I was one of the many beta testers all those years ago, but I don't know if I joined immediately at launch or if I had waited. I guess I'll check for those 500 MS Points when I get home.

dawgfan

11-15-2007, 12:33 PM

Easier = better games? Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell. There was an uproar of complaints about how difficult the PS2 was to deal with when it was released. If the user base is available, developers will find a way to make it work. Increasing the user base should obviously be Sony and MS's main goal at this point.
The PS2 was harder to develop for. But the fact that the PS did so well and Sony's marketing hype and big money essentially doomed the Dreamcast from the start meant that the PS2 raced to a big early lead, something that the Xbox couldn't hope to compete with.

I would argue the ease of development on the Xbox is one of the reasons it hung in as well as it did the last generation. That and a lot of MS money keeping that division afloat.

SackAttack

11-15-2007, 01:02 PM

astrosfan64

11-15-2007, 01:18 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-15-2007, 01:24 PM

Right now the answer would be yes. No question about that.

Agreed. The 360 has the larger library right now both in quality and quantity. The PS3 is just now starting to get some games that show off the system's abilities, hence the reason that I say that time will tell whether that changes.

Big Fo

11-15-2007, 03:39 PM

Sony's marketing hype and big money essentially doomed the Dreamcast from the start

The Dreamcast was awesome, it's such a shame that years of Sega incompetance before the launch, rampant piracy, and people waiting for the PS2 killed it off.

Soul Calibur, Virtua Tennis, NFL2k series, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, it had a bunch of really good games in its 2-3 year run.

Calis

11-15-2007, 03:42 PM

The Dreamcast was awesome, it's such a shame that years of Sega incompetance before the launch, rampant piracy, and people waiting for the PS2 killed it off.

Soul Calibur, Virtua Tennis, NFL2k series, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, it had a bunch of really good games in its 2-3 year run.

Don't forget Seaman!

Possibly the greatest console game of all-time. I'd really liked to have seen more in that series.

Skies of Arcadia was pure awesomeness also apart from the psychotic amount of random encounters.

Really wish the Dreamcast had succeded, I loved that thing.

MikeVic

11-15-2007, 04:06 PM

Don't forget Seaman!

Possibly the greatest console game of all-time. I'd really liked to have seen more in that series.

Skies of Arcadia was pure awesomeness also apart from the psychotic amount of random encounters.

Really wish the Dreamcast had succeded, I loved that thing.

Power Stone and Marvel vs Capcom are two other cool games. I have Bangai-O and Seaman that I bought once the Dreamcast was being cleared out at $50. :) Those things went fast.

Kodos

11-15-2007, 04:13 PM

The Dreamcast was the worst console I ever bought. I couldn't find any games that I liked on it.

MikeVic

11-15-2007, 04:17 PM

The Dreamcast was the worst console I ever bought. I couldn't find any games that I liked on it.

You don't like Mario games, you don't like Dreamcast games... do you hate the Steelers too?

SackAttack

11-15-2007, 04:45 PM

Don't forget Seaman!

Possibly the greatest console game of all-time. I'd really liked to have seen more in that series.

Skies of Arcadia was pure awesomeness also apart from the psychotic amount of random encounters.

Really wish the Dreamcast had succeded, I loved that thing.

If you can find it, snag the GameCube version of Skies. They added items that will reduce random encounters, or, if you're feeling masochistic, pump them way up.

Kodos

11-15-2007, 04:49 PM

You don't like Mario games, you don't like Dreamcast games... do you hate the Steelers too?

No, the Steelers are cool.

I did always like Yoshi from the Mario games. I always called him "riding buddy" when I played him on my friend's Nintendo.

I think part of the reason I have no sentimental attachment to Mario is that I never had the Nintendo. I had Super Nintendo, but never the first system.

MrKordell

11-15-2007, 07:13 PM

Actual October NPD Numbers:

HW Results

Wii 519K
Nintendo DS 458K
Xbox 360 366K
PSP 286K
PlayStation 2 184K
PlayStation 3 121K

Top 10 SW
Rank # Units
360 HALO 3 * MICROSOFT (CORP) SEP 2007 MATURE (M) 1 433.8K
360 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ GUITACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 2 383.2K
WII GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ GUITACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 3 286.3K
PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ GUITACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 4 271.1K
NDS LEGEND OF ZELDA: PHANTOM HOURGLASS NINTENDO OF AMERICA SEP 2007 EVERYONE (E) 5 262.8K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 EVERYONE (E) 6 239.7K
360 HALF LIFE 2: EPISODE 2 THE ORANGE BOX ELECTRONIC ARTS OCT 2007 MATURE (M) 7 238.4K
PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 8 231.7K
PS2 FIFA SOCCER 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS OCT 2007 EVERYONE (E) 9 129.7K
NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A NINTENDO OF AMERICA AUG 2007 EVERYONE (E) 10 116.9K

Year-to-Date Top Title Fast Facts (combining platforms and skus)
Halo 3 3.7M
Madden NFL 08 3.2M
Guitar Hero 2 2.8M
Play W/ Remote 2.5M
Pokemon Diamond Version 2.1M
Pokemon Pearl Version 1.5M
Spider-Man 3 1.4M
Guitar Hero III: Legends Of Rock 1.4M

Super Category Totals
U.S. Video Games Sales - October 2007
October 2006 October 2007 YTD Oct 06 YTD Oct 07
Video Games $643.3M $1.1B 73% $7.0B $10.5B 49%
Video Games Hardware $207.1M $469.7M 127% $2.2B $4.1B 85%
Console Hardware $118.7M $349.6M 195% $1.4B $3.0B 125%
Portable Game Hardware $88.5M $120.1M 36% $877.5M $1.1B 23%
Video Games Software $369.3M $513.9M 39% $3.9B $5.0B 27%
Console Software $283.8M $412.5M 45% $2.9B $3.8B 28%
Portable Game Software $85.5M $101.5M 19% $983.1M $1.2B 23%

twothree

11-15-2007, 07:36 PM

Those numbers are similar to VGChartz numbers, except for the 360 and DS which VGChartz looks to have over estimated by quite a bit...

First, the raw numbers (numbers are from VGChartz):
North America:

360: 649K
DS: 622K
Wii: 543K
PSP: 303K
PS2: 176K
PS3: 138K

Big Fo

11-15-2007, 07:40 PM

Ok so just as I was about to post I saw I was beaten to the punch, posting these anyhow since they are easier to read and have the vgchartz comparison...

Hardware (vgchartz in parenthesis to compare, 10% +/- what :D )-

Wii .....................519K (543K)
Nintendo DS....... 458K (622K)
Xbox 360............ 366K (649K)
PSP..................... 286K (303K)
PlayStation 2 .......184K (176K)
PlayStation 3....... 121K (138K)

Software -

360 HALO 3 ..................................................... 433.8K
360 GUITAR HERO III w/ GUITAR........... ...........383.2K
WII GUITAR HERO III w/ GUITAR.......................286.3K
PS2 GUITAR HERO III w/ GUITAR.......................271.1K
NDS LEGEND OF ZELDA: PHANTOM HOURGLASS....262.8K
WII PLAY w/ REMOTE............ ..............................239.7K
360 HALF LIFE 2 THE ORANGE BOX ..................... 238.4K
PS2 GUITAR HERO III......................................... 231.7K
PS2 FIFA SOCCER 08 .............. .............. ............129.7K
NDS BRAIN AGE 2........ ...................... ............... 116.9K

After last months Halo boost, things are back to normal. Wii sales still through the roof, 360 sales are very good, and it's gonna take more than next month's 40 GB PS3 to save Sony in America, pathetic sales again.

The poor software sales on PS3 are also troubling. No games in the top 10, not even GH3. Ratchet and Clank only sold around 75k copies. The Wii version of GH3 did well considering the install base compared to 360 and PS2, and Halo marches on.

sterlingice

11-15-2007, 08:07 PM

Yeah, the fact that GH3 didn't even crack the top 10 on the software side is a big red flag for Sony.

SI

sterlingice

11-15-2007, 08:20 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-16-2007, 06:56 AM

Ok so just as I was about to post I saw I was beaten to the punch, posting these anyhow since they are easier to read and have the vgchartz comparison...

Hardware (vgchartz in parenthesis to compare, 10% +/- what :D )-

Yeah, I'm not sure why VGChartz has such problems with the 360 numbers. That's one of the major complaints with their estimates is that they always seem to be overinflated. Certainly, there's no implication that they do it intentionally. I just think they've got a hole in their process or sample data structure that hasn't been fully adjusted to provide a good 360 estimate.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-16-2007, 06:58 AM

Skies of Arcadia was pure awesomeness also apart from the psychotic amount of random encounters.

FYI......there were a few articles the other day that mentioned that a new version of Skies of Arcadia is in the works, likely for PS3/360.

spleen1015

11-16-2007, 08:34 AM

One of my friends got Assassin's Creed last night. He likes it. He said it is a lot like the new Prince of Persia games. He said it was badass.

CraigSca

11-16-2007, 03:12 PM

wade moore

11-16-2007, 03:25 PM

Cool, I plan on getting an 360. I'm not a big Halo guy, but free is the right price to get me onboard ;).

Daimyo

11-16-2007, 04:57 PM

If you're looking to buy a 360 this Christmas season, you can get Halo3 for free...

1. Buy an Xbox 360 console by December 21.
2. Connect to Xbox LIVE.
3. Register with promotional code XBX7777, your new console serial number, and a valid mailing address.
4. And look for your copy of Halo 3 for Xbox 360 in your mailbox!

Note: In the fine print it states, however, that you must purchase an Xbox 360 between November 21 - December 21, 2007 and need the proof of purchase (at a later time possibly?). 
So, the Xbox Premium now comes with three good games for
$350? That's actually very tempting...

SackAttack

11-16-2007, 05:40 PM

Daimyo - more than that, potentially. Some places will be giving additional games away on Friday, and since the Halo 3 thing runs through 12/21, you could actually wind up getting four or five games with the system for $350 if you time your purchase right.

rjolley

11-16-2007, 07:53 PM

So, it looks like I'll be buying myself a 360 soon. Are the only models with an HD now the 20G regular and 120G Elite? Is there anything in between that I'm not finding? I thought there was a 60G one.

SackAttack

11-16-2007, 08:25 PM

nah, you're thinking of a PS3.

The Premium has a 20G, the Halo 3 has a 20G, and the Elite has a 120G.

rjolley

11-16-2007, 08:38 PM

Oh, ok. Is there really a need for the 120G HD? Will the 20G suffice?

gstelmack

11-16-2007, 08:45 PM

Oh, ok. Is there really a need for the 120G HD? Will the 20G suffice?

The only reason for the 120GB is if you want to download lots and lots of HD movies or shows from Marketplace (and lots are available now). Or maybe to take advantage of the new downloadable Xbox games; I could see that feature filling up a 20GB. Hmm, that may have to make me re-evaluate this, given that those can take up a few GB apiece potentially.

But for most gaming use, 20GB is plenty.

rjolley

11-16-2007, 10:44 PM

Hmmm, I can't think of an Xbox game that I'd want that I don't have. And I still have a very functional Xbox sitting under the tv that'll still be running.

What about HDMI output? Does the current Premium have that output but not the cable now, where the Elite has both?

SackAttack

11-17-2007, 01:02 AM

Unless you're buying from a store that still has old stock, all of the models currently on the market support HDMI, although only the Elite includes it.

Way to know for sure is read the side of the box. If it says 'HDMI port,' you're good.

JetsIn06

11-17-2007, 12:01 PM

I have a question for you guys. I just bought a PS3 and I'm planning to sell it on EBAY. I got the 40 GB Spider Man 3 Special Edition model for $320 plus tax.

Do you think I'd be better off selling it now, or waiting until closer to the holidays?

CraigSca

11-17-2007, 01:43 PM

I think people buying for the holidays are doing it now. I'd wait no more than just after Thanksgiving...

JetsIn06

11-17-2007, 02:21 PM

I think people buying for the holidays are doing it now. I'd wait no more than just after Thanksgiving...

Okay cool thanks for the advice.

MizzouRah

11-17-2007, 08:07 PM

One of my friends got Assassin's Creed last night. He likes it. He said it is a lot like the new Prince of Persia games. He said it was badass.

Finally picked this one up tonight and I'm glad I did. This game is right up my alley and I'm loving it so far. In fact, COD 4 is not getting much playing time right now. :)

sabotai

11-17-2007, 09:49 PM

So I think I made out pretty well.

Not too long ago, my XBox RRoDs on me. A few weeks ago I finally got around to mailing it in to Best Buy (I paid for their replacement plan so I decided to call and sent it to them instead of Microsoft). Yesterday, I get a gift card in the mail from Best Buy for the amount (plus sales tax) that I paid.

Since the price has dropped $50 since then, I basically got a free game out of the deal, in addition to the 2 the 360 comes with now. So I get a new XBox 360 w/ HDMI support (should I get an HDTV), Forza 2 (I have it already, though), X-Men Alliance and Assassin's Creed.

I did get another Replacement plan for this one, so the total cost was around 60 bucks, but that bounty isn't bad for $60, especially since I'd probably still be waiting for Microsoft to send me a recycled old version.

Here's hoping it craps out on me in another 18 months. :)

TazFTW

11-17-2007, 11:46 PM

If you're looking to buy a 360 this Christmas season, you can get Halo3 for free...

1. Buy an Xbox 360 console by December 21.
2. Connect to Xbox LIVE.
3. Register with promotional code XBX7777, your new console serial number, and a valid mailing address.
4. And look for your copy of Halo 3 for Xbox 360 in your mailbox!

Note: In the fine print it states, however, that you must purchase an Xbox 360 between November 21 - December 21, 2007 and need the proof of purchase (at a later time possibly?). 

Looks like they've changed the deal. :(

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/h/halo3/promotions/buyxboxgethalo.htm?WText.camp=Games&WText.campSrc=RSS

Original Xbox console users: Buy an Xbox 360. Migrate your paid Xbox LIVE subscription (for the original Xbox console) to Xbox LIVE Gold.

Ryno

11-18-2007, 07:21 AM

Looks like they've changed the deal. :(

That sucks :( . I was seriously considering braving the Black Friday crowd to pick one up. Now I'll go back to my original plan of waiting until GTA IV is released.

wade moore

11-18-2007, 10:52 AM

Blah.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-18-2007, 08:12 PM

SackAttack

11-18-2007, 08:38 PM

Would be a great deal, except the Blu-ray selection of every Walmart I've been to in the last year sucks sweaty gorilla balls.

gstelmack

11-18-2007, 09:26 PM

Wow, they're just giving those things away...

SackAttack

11-18-2007, 10:12 PM

Woo. Buy 2 Get 1 sale at TRU on Wii titles, and TRU.com allows it to be applied to preorders.

Coupled with the $25 gift card I got for buying Mario Galaxy, I'm winding up with Galaxy, Smash Bros, NiGHTS and Trauma Center: New Blood for a grand total of $130. :D

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-19-2007, 07:50 AM

Wow, they're just giving those things away...

Agreed. The HD media war is getting awfully good for consumers right now. HD-DVD offers are giving away as many as 10 HD-DVD movies with the purchase of a HD-DVD player. As mentioned before, you can get 15 BR movies with the purchase of a 80 GB PS3. Tons of good offers in addition to the game bundles for Xbox 360 and PS3. Great time to make the plunge.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-19-2007, 07:54 AM

New Ghostbusters game has been announced for the PS3/360. Game will have all the original actors doing the voice-overs for each character. Here's a post with a HD teaser for the game...........

http://loot-ninja.com/2007/11/17/ghostbusters-the-game-for-ps3-and-xbox-360/

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-20-2007, 08:42 AM

Another defection in Microsoft Game Studios on the horizon. 1UP is reporting that Shane Kim will be removed/step down from his position. This is likely a result of the recent loss of developers in MGS and the report from last week that the Marvel Comics MMO for the 360 appears to be dead in the water.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-20-2007, 09:21 AM

New trailer up for Lost Odyssey........

http://japan.gamespot.com/xbox360/videos/story/0,3800076101,20361425,00.htm?ref=rss

Eaglesfan27

11-20-2007, 06:21 PM

dervack

11-20-2007, 06:28 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-21-2007, 07:08 AM

Another blow to Sony as Ubisoft announces that Haze will not be ready this holiday season and will be pushed back to the first quarter of 08. Also, Ubisoft announces that Assassin's Creed sold over a million copies in its first week out:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6183188.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0

I wouldn't be shocked though if they did move it back with Unreal Tournament 3 now back on track for a release in December and COD4 performing well. That's some pretty stiff competition that they could avoid by moving it back into January. The competition is pretty fierce right now with a pretty good lineup currently available.

Edit: Just noticed the new release date was set as January 15th, 2008. Not much of a bump (roughly 3 weeks).

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-21-2007, 07:10 AM

Anybody want to take the chance and get a Wii should look at Amazon.com. It's leading their voting and could be had for $79 on Thursday. Only 1,000 will be available. I remember this from last year I think and it was a fiasco.

It shouldn't be as crazy this year. Last year was a button-clicking free-for-all. This year, they're just going to randomly select 1,000 people who voted for the winning offer and give them the opportunity to purchase the product. Shouldn't be nearly as chaotic.

stevew

11-21-2007, 08:48 AM

Great deal just leaked by the same guy who leaked the $99 HD-DVD player deal at Wal-Mart a couple of weeks back.

Wal-Mart is having a two day offer (11/24-11/25). If you buy a 80 GB PS3 on those two days, you get 10 Blu-ray movies free instantly. Tack on the 5 Blu-ray movies available through Sony, and you get 15 free Blu-ray movies free (roughly a $400 value).

Too bad the pick 5 from sony is hilariously bad.

Pick one of 3: [] Santa with Muscles [] I Know Who Killed Me []Alexander: Maximum Ultimate Director Edition.

The 5 Free from toshiba are equally as bad.

MikeVic

11-21-2007, 08:57 AM

Too bad the pick 5 from sony is hilariously bad.

Pick one of 3: [] Santa with Muscles [] I Know Who Killed Me []Alexander: Maximum Ultimate Director Edition.

The 5 Free from toshiba are equally as bad.

That's easy: Santa with Muscles.

Is that seriously on Blu Ray?

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-21-2007, 09:40 AM

That's easy: Santa with Muscles.

Is that seriously on Blu Ray?

I'd go with Alexander. Lots of blood = entertainment.

MikeVic

11-21-2007, 09:42 AM

I'd go with Alexander. Lots of blood = entertainment.

Maybe I'm remembering a different movie... When I saw Alexander in the theatres, there was barely any action in between the glances a horny Alexander gave to some guys?

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-21-2007, 09:59 AM

Maybe I'm remembering a different movie... When I saw Alexander in the theatres, there was barely any action in between the glances a horny Alexander gave to some guys?

Yes, there's quite a bit of that as well, though he does nail some women. Plenty of decapitations, trampling and impalements to go around during the war scenes.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-21-2007, 10:26 AM

For the posters in Europe: MS is offering 10 free XBLA games to anyone who gets their friend to buy a 360........

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26055215&sid=6183206&action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;4

Also, beware to those who may have hacked their 360. MS will be doing a bunch of banning of hacked 360's this weekend. The hacked 360's will not be allowed to sign on to XBL.

SackAttack

11-21-2007, 10:37 AM

In appreciation of Guitar Hero® and Halo fans alike, Neversoft, Bungie, Activision/RedOctane, and Microsoft have all joined forces to bring players the iconic Halo theme (MJOLNIR Mix) as a free playable song for Guitar Hero® III: Legends of Rock, exclusively for the Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system from Microsoft. The theme will be available from Xbox LIVE® Marketplace on Thanksgiving, Thursday, November 22nd.

The Halo theme was written, composed, and performed by Martin O’Donnell and Michael Salvatori; and the MJOLNIR Mix features guitars performed by the Grammy Award winning guitar hero, Steve Vai.

“It’s a real pleasure to hear one of the best loved and most iconic themes from Bungie’s Halo Universe in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock,” said Marty O’Donnell, Composer and Audio Director for Bungie Studios. “As longtime fans of the Guitar Hero® franchise, it was great to collaborate with Neversoft and Activision/RedOctane to offer this exciting free download to our fans.”

I don't know why that makes me laugh so hard, but it does. the MJOLNIR Mix, I wonder if that's the one performed by those high school kids at the E3 press briefing?

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-21-2007, 11:53 AM

New sales numbers in from Japan for last week......

Hardware:
DSLite: 81000
PSP: 66000
PS3: 53000
Wii: 36000
PS2: 8800
Xbox360: 5700

The PS3 outsells the Wii for a second straight week and outsells the Xbox 360 at a 9:1 ratio. PS3 is currently on pace for a month in the range of 250-300K, which is a vast improvement over the 50K/month they were selling before. PS2 sales fall pretty dramatically, which indirectly is music to Sony's ears as they try to get more consumers to move to the PS3 rather than the PS2.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-21-2007, 09:25 PM

Atocep

11-21-2007, 09:28 PM

Unreal Tournament 3 has gone gold for the PS3. Release is now expected for December 11th with full mod functionality. PS3 version will have all the maps that the PC version was released with earlier this month. PC to PS3 online play will not be available initially, but could be added as a patch.

PC to PS3 online play would be horrible for the PS3 owners. Valve was considering the same for TF2, but pulled it late in development because PC players had a massive advantage with mouse and keyboard.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-26-2007, 10:46 AM

PC to PS3 online play would be horrible for the PS3 owners. Valve was considering the same for TF2, but pulled it late in development because PC players had a massive advantage with mouse and keyboard.

That's the same reason it's not included in the PS3 version as of yet. My understanding is that they are working out the kinks on that issue.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-26-2007, 10:48 AM

Good news for PES 2008 owners in PAL territories and Japan. Konami has released a 1.10 patch for both the 360 and PS3 versions of the game to fix the slow framerate problems in the penalty area and on replays. Both versions now run at a much cleaner framerate. U.S. gamers will have the game early next year with the patch likely included in the retail version.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-27-2007, 09:30 AM

Deus Ex 3 announced for the PS3/360. Teaser trailer below......

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28286.html

Also, Warhawk expansion is confirmed for a December release as an online download.

ISiddiqui

11-27-2007, 10:13 AM

One can only hope that DE3 is more like the first one and less like the 2nd one.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-27-2007, 10:45 AM

New game announced by Namco as a Wii exclusive. Interesting use of the Wiimote as a flashlight.......

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=8470

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-27-2007, 10:47 AM

New game for Xbox Live announced by Codemasters. Sensible World of Soccer will be released for download on December 19th.

stevew

11-27-2007, 10:52 AM

Yeee Haaawwww. More warhawks.

Big Fo

11-27-2007, 07:28 PM

Nintendo sold 350k Wiis (and 300k the week before) and 653K DS last week. The Wii number was their highest outside of launch week, and the DS figures were Nintendo's best week for any product.

NoA press release on Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/gaming/black-friday/nintendo-350k-wii-sold-last-week-record-ds-sales-327167.php)

Nintendo should hit over a million for the November NPDs, I think the PS2 sold 1.2m in November 2002, they could pass that if they have the supply. Prices are hitting $500 on Ebay which is ridiculous. Hopefully some of these people are buying Super Mario Galaxy, which sold over 500k week one (http://kotaku.com/gaming/super-mario-galaxy/mario-galaxy-sells-500k-in-a-week-325276.php). Pretty good numbers for any game not named Halo I suppose.

The DS numbers are even crazier, depending on when Nintendo brings out its successor it could pass the PS2's 120 million someday, it's about halfway there already.

Calis

11-27-2007, 07:34 PM

I just read that NFL 2k5 is finally being made backwards compatible.

I can now officially ditch the original Xbox!

Kodos

11-27-2007, 09:42 PM

I just read that NFL 2k5 is finally being made backwards compatible.

I can now officially ditch the original Xbox!

Linky?

CraigSca

11-28-2007, 05:45 AM

hxxp://www.majornelson.com/archive/2007/11/27/november-07-back-compat-update.aspx (http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2007/11/27/november-07-back-compat-update.aspx)

wade moore

11-28-2007, 07:03 AM

Blah.

I want to get a Wii for someone for Christmas but didn't realize I wanted to until after Thanksgiving (because of comments they made at Thanksgiving)... so now it's going to be THAT much harder. Ugh.

Pumpy Tudors

11-28-2007, 07:42 AM

New game for Xbox Live announced by Codemasters. Sensible World of Soccer will be released for download on December 19th.
It's about time. The trailer has been up on Xbox Live for months.

albionmoonlight

11-28-2007, 07:48 AM

All this time, I thought that Mizzou B-Ball Fan was a viral marketer for Sony. Turns out, he's a viral marketer for Greenpeace

:)

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/how-the-companies-line-up/

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-28-2007, 07:52 AM

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-28-2007, 07:53 AM

First review out for Lost Odyssey in Famitsu......

http://www.xbox360only.nl/nieuwsitem.php?nid=9592

The special Xbox 360 version of the most popular games magazine in Japan has just hit store shelves and its always interesting to look at the review scores. In the latest issue, Xbox 360 cracker Lost Odyssey was reviewed for the first time, and rewarded with 9/8/8/8 which brings its total to 33/40 which equals 8.25/10.

Pumpy Tudors

11-28-2007, 07:59 AM

daaaamn they called lost odyssey a cracker

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/128/thatsracist4tc.gif

wade moore

11-28-2007, 08:07 AM

Now that I finally have a vested interested in these threads (I contributed to the November 360 Console Sales numbers) they will get more interesting to read..

Of course the two games I want right now are Oblivion and CH2k8 and there's actually not much else I'm interested at the moment (funny sometimes that I got a 360 since I don't like shooters on the console)..

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-28-2007, 08:12 AM

Of course the two games I want right now are Oblivion and CH2k8 and there's actually not much else I'm interested at the moment (funny sometimes that I got a 360 since I don't like shooters on the console)..

I'm not sure that 360 shooter stereotype that some like to throw around as a negative (i.e. I don't want a 360 because I don't like shooters) is going to hold true for much longer. I'm also not a fan of shooters, but the PS3 has Killzone 2, Haze and Unreal Tournament III all coming out as PS3 exclusives in the next 3 months. Certainly, the 360 will remain the console of choice for shooter fans, but the PS3 would appear to have its fair share as well now.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-28-2007, 08:14 AM

daaaamn they called lost odyssey a cracker

Does 'cracker' have a double meaning in New Zealand? Who knows.

wade moore

11-28-2007, 08:51 AM

I'm not sure that 360 shooter stereotype that some like to throw around as a negative (i.e. I don't want a 360 because I don't like shooters) is going to hold true for much longer. I'm also not a fan of shooters, but the PS3 has Killzone 2, Haze and Unreal Tournament III all coming out as PS3 exclusives in the next 3 months. Certainly, the 360 will remain the console of choice for shooter fans, but the PS3 would appear to have its fair share as well now.

Yeah.. I just went to several gaming sites to look at the top rated games for the 360 and it's loaded with shooters. I'm intrigued by Mass Effect, but I'll probably play Oblivion first and hope that when I'm tired of that and CH2k8 that the price has gone down.

I really don't need a lot of games.. the last 2 or 3 years for the PS2 I've survived on just Madden/NCAA/CH2k8 with no other games.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-28-2007, 08:54 AM

The holiday sales boost has started in Japan. PS3 and Wii sales both actually increased this week with the PS3 outselling the Wii for a 3rd straight week. 360 sales dropped and is now being outsold by the PS3 at a 10:1 ratio.

The following numbers are from Famitsu for the week of 11/17.........

DS : 116K
PSP : 89K
PS3 : 58K
Wii : 47K
PS2 : 15K
360 : 5.8K

Pumpy Tudors

11-28-2007, 09:07 AM

Of course the two games I want right now are Oblivion and CH2k8 and there's actually not much else I'm interested at the moment (funny sometimes that I got a 360 since I don't like shooters on the console)..
Wade, I wouldn't worry much about shooters. I don't like shooters at all (the closest thing I have to a shooter is Rainbow Six Vegas), but I think the 360 is fantastic, and I have a couple dozen games sitting right next to my console, along with a metric buttload of Xbox Live Arcade titles on the hard drive.

I've never played Oblivion, but CH2k8 will certainly keep you entertained, and it sounds like you'll get Mass Effect after a price drop. You'll still have an excellent 360 experience.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-28-2007, 09:12 AM

.......along with a metric buttload of Xbox Live Arcade titles on the hard drive.

Exactly how much is a 'metric buttload'?

MJ4H

11-28-2007, 09:28 AM

I can't pass this one up.

Bend over and I'll show you.

wade moore

11-28-2007, 09:34 AM

Wade, I wouldn't worry much about shooters. I don't like shooters at all (the closest thing I have to a shooter is Rainbow Six Vegas), but I think the 360 is fantastic, and I have a couple dozen games sitting right next to my console, along with a metric buttload of Xbox Live Arcade titles on the hard drive.

I've never played Oblivion, but CH2k8 will certainly keep you entertained, and it sounds like you'll get Mass Effect after a price drop. You'll still have an excellent 360 experience.
Oh, I'm not worried - I just think it's a little funny.

Again, I don't need a ton of games. somewhere around 60%+ of my video gaming time is Football or Basketball and then another 15%+ is "other" sports games.. so really, that's pretty system independent outside of the fact that the friends i'd like to play online all have 360's which was a major influence in my purchase.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-28-2007, 09:38 AM

Bend over and I'll show you.

You and I aren't related. I don't see that as a possibility given Arkansas moral laws.

MJ4H

11-28-2007, 09:52 AM

Did you have someone read them to you recently or something?

Pumpy Tudors

11-28-2007, 10:11 AM

I'm getting the hell out of this one!!!