NFL Week 12

[MikeVic]

"And the card has made it to the Commissioner."


"The Miami Dolphins trade the first pick in the NFL draft to the Philadelphia Eagles for AJ Feeley and a 5th round pick".

That would be awesome.

[Kodos]

Actually, the Dolphins having 1.1 terrifies me. Unless Huzienga sells the team to somebody who is competent.

[Desnudo]

McNabb didn't play.

I was never one to join the Donovan must go bandwagon, but I can honestly say that if McNabb would've played last night, the Eagles would not have been as close to winning. He is not as accurate as Feeley. A lot of those throws over the middle would've been thrown 100mph either into the ground or over the WR's head.

Would he have thrown that nice INT when they were already in field goal range to tie?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I didn't watch anything but the final five minutes of the Eagles/Patriots game last night. Sadly, I watched most of the fourth quarter and all of overtime from Chicago. The Denver defense makes me sick, particularly Dre Bly. The whole defense is a sham, though. Jay Cutler deserves better than this shit. He made his rookie mistakes last year and hasn't been perfect this year, but he keeps getting better while his defense keeps getting worse.

Then, of course, there's the whole "kicking to Devin Hester" garbage. Seriously, why does anybody in the NFL kick to him ever? He can't score if he doesn't touch the ball.

[MikeVic]

Has there been any talk of Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson? Anderson looks pretty good so far. How many years are left on his deal?

[MikeVic]

I didn't watch anything but the final five minutes of the Eagles/Patriots game last night. Sadly, I watched most of the fourth quarter and all of overtime from Chicago. The Denver defense makes me sick, particularly Dre Bly. The whole defense is a sham, though. Jay Cutler deserves better than this shit. He made his rookie mistakes last year and hasn't been perfect this year, but he keeps getting better while his defense keeps getting worse.

Then, of course, there's the whole "kicking to Devin Hester" garbage. Seriously, why does anybody in the NFL kick to him ever? He can't score if he doesn't touch the ball.

You watched this instead of the Grey Cup?? :mad:

[Dr. Sak]

Would he have thrown that nice INT when they were already in field goal range to tie?

Yes he would have...right after he vomited on the field.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Denver defense makes me sick, particularly Dre Bly.

For what it's worth, George Foster and Tatum Bell aint all that either...

[Pumpy Tudors]

You watched this instead of the Grey Cup?? :mad:
My stream died in the 3rd quarter. :(

[rkmsuf]

My stream died in the 3rd quarter. :(

you should see a doctor about that

[Pumpy Tudors]

For what it's worth, George Foster and Tatum Bell aint all that either...
Tatum Bell? They still make that?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Has there been any talk of Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson? Anderson looks pretty good so far. How many years are left on his deal?

I believe his current contract expires at the end of this season, but he's a restricted free agent.

[Logan]

Has there been any talk of Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson? Anderson looks pretty good so far. How many years are left on his deal?

I believe he's a restricted free agent.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Tatum Bell? They still make that?

Not really, though the Lions still have some in the back.

[MikeVic]

My stream died in the 3rd quarter. :(

Ohh ok, so it wasn't by choice. Good answer. ;)

You missed a brutal display of missed tackles by the Bombers that led to a Sask TD. And then you missed the Bombers' QB throwing the game-ending INT when he was a foot away from getting a 1st down himself.

[MikeVic]

I believe his current contract expires at the end of this season, but he's a restricted free agent.

Ok, so he can't ask for some crazy amount of money then right?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Ok, so he can't ask for some crazy amount of money then right?

Right. But there is always the possibility of some team swooping in and making one of those "poison pill" offers (see, eg, Steve Hutchinson and Nate Burleson) that would make it impossible for the Browns to match.

[MikeVic]

Right. But there is always the possibility of some team swooping in and making one of those "poison pill" offers (see, eg, Steve Hutchinson and Nate Burleson) that would make it impossible for the Browns to match.

Ah ok. Well, he's really looked decent with good offensive weapons. I would think the Browns want to keep him, unless he ends up costing a ton of money. Could be another Brees/Rivers situation.

[stevew]

I think if they want to keep him, they'll exclusive franchise tag him. If they are unsure, then he'll simply get the highest RFA tender. If you do think he's your franchise guy, then you'd be a moron to expose yourself to a poison pill type situation. Then again, it's the Browns.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Ah ok. Well, he's really looked decent with good offensive weapons. I would think the Browns want to keep him, unless he ends up costing a ton of money. Could be another Brees/Rivers situation.

That's my thinking as well. Unless Anderson completely falls apart, the Browns will be in a tough situation. If Anderson continues to play at a consistent level, I would keep him and try to trade Quinn, but I don't think it will be easy to get value for him.

It will certainly be interesting.

[MikeVic]

I think if they want to keep him, they'll exclusive franchise tag him. If they are unsure, then he'll simply get the highest RFA tender. If you do think he's your franchise guy, then you'd be a moron to expose yourself to a poison pill type situation. Then again, it's the Browns.

Their offense actually looks good this year, so I'm hoping they let him walk. ;)

[MikeVic]

That's my thinking as well. Unless Anderson completely falls apart, the Browns will be in a tough situation. If Anderson continues to play at a consistent level, I would keep him and try to trade Quinn, but I don't think it will be easy to get value for him.

It will certainly be interesting.

And you think that since Quinn dropped so much in the draft, even after he was projected to go so much higher, the teams that passed on him wouldn't have warmed up. Why would they want a guy that's spent a year on the bench when they didn't want him right after his college career?

I mean, if it only costs a team a 3rd rounder or something, then maybe someone would bite. But then, as you said, that's not getting value for him.

[Alan T]

Ok, so what teams could use McNabb, and would pay him a starter's salary. I think Kodos mentioning the Bears is a good choice. Bills, Dolphins? Ravens, Chiefs, Giants, Vikings, Panthers, Falcons?


Watching the Falcons front office the past few years, I bet they would love to have Mcnabb.. and I absolutely think it would be the wrong choice.

[Logan]

Right. But there is always the possibility of some team swooping in and making one of those "poison pill" offers (see, eg, Steve Hutchinson and Nate Burleson) that would make it impossible for the Browns to match.

Those have finally been banned.

[Logan]

Some good discussion (among some pure shit) in this thread about what the Browns could do with Anderson.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=365013

[Atocep]

Those have finally been banned.

I don't believe the NFL actually got around to banning it in the new agreement.

[Logan]

Yep, you're right...my mistake. Found this on some kind of blog:

The NFL tried to ban them after that offseason [2006, after Hutchinson, then Burleson], but the ban was never passed. However, no team has tried them since. The strange relationships between agents and teams (specifically general managers) has forced agents to shy away from including them for fear of never being able to get a client to sign with that team then, and GMs avoid the practice because they simply don't want it to happen to them.

[MikeVic]

Yep, you're right...my mistake. Found this on some kind of blog:

Pansies. They need Kevin Lowe as a GM in the NFL.

[Kodos]

I bet the Patriots would do it.

[rkmsuf]

I bet the Patriots would do it.

Cam Cameron would if he could figure out how.

[Kodos]

Cam Cameron would if he could figure out how.


We're on the same side, friend. Cameron is beyond incompetent.

[wade moore]

This field is a complete embarrassment.

[Dr. Sak]

Good thing they decided to resod it after the 4 high school games on friday and the Pitt game on Saturday.

[wade moore]

Good thing they decided to resod it after the 4 high school games on friday and the Pitt game on Saturday.
The "conditions" don't even bother me that much..

It's the lines.. just inexcusable to me to have no lines whatsoever.

Maybe you shouldn't have a bunch of High School games on a frickin' NFL field.

[Dr. Sak]

Maybe you shouldn't have a bunch of High School games on a frickin' NFL field.

Come on be nice...Pitt has to play somewhere. They tore down Pitt Stadium a few years ago.

[SirFozzie]

This field is the worst I've seen, and there was some HORRIBLE pats fields before they put the field turf in..

[RendeR]

Personally I tink the NFl should mandate field turf. There is no real good reason to keep trying to maintain grass fields. This would save those teams still using natural sod MILLIONS each season. And lets not even get into how much better the stuff looks.

[stevew]

Why the hell do we have a finesse type back, and then a shit field. This steelers team is built for field turf all the way. And all the stupid high school games on the field may be great for the kids, but it's awful for the team I care about. The dolphins are going to win this game, I can feel it.

[henry296]

I think part of the problem is the Steelers and NFL for not working the schedule out so they are on the road this weekend. The dates of these HS games are known well in advance.

[Rizon]

Good news: We're not getting crushed
More good news: Williams is out. Glad to see him go.

[QuikSand]

For some weird reason, I am really enjoying this game.

[MikeVic]

I'm so nerve-wracked.

[larrymcg421]

Fire this fucking coach right now. In the 4th quarter.

[Radii]

this game is awesome.

[wade moore]

For some weird reason, I am really enjoying this game.

+1...

There's also a part of me that would be highly amused by a 0-15-1 Dolphins team.

[Pumpy Tudors]

You know, I thought the Steelers couldn't top losing to the Raiders last year, but if they don't win this game, it blows last year's fiasco away.

[MikeVic]

You know, I thought the Steelers couldn't top losing to the Raiders last year, but if they don't win this game, it blows last year's fiasco away.

Losing to the Jets last week was pretty bad.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Losing to the Jets last week was pretty bad.
True, but nobody's made a thread here about how bad the Jets are.

[Jas_lov]

Time for a botched field goal to go 0-0 into overtime!

[Groundhog]

Just checked the box score. Is it really 0-0 with 1:07 left?

[Radii]

Just checked the box score. Is it really 0-0 with 1:07 left?

oh yes, yes it is!

[Radii]

gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood

[JonInMiddleGA]

Worst MNF game ever?

[Jas_lov]

NO! I wanted to see a 0-0 tie.

[Celeval]

The classic finish would be Ginn returning 98 yards for a score, right?

[Groundhog]

I'm totally staying up late to catch the replay of this one until 1:30am tonight.

[Jas_lov]

Worst MNF game ever?

No, this is one of the best they've had all year!

[Groundhog]

The classic finish would be Ginn returning 98 yards for a score, right?

No, it'd be a 19 pass lateral.

[Icy]

And the sixth game lost by 3 or less in the same season by the Dolphins. This teams sucks, but with a bit of luck (and better late game decissions by Cam) the Dolphins could be perfectly 3-8 or so.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Also (unless the record was broken since then) it was the lowest scoring MNF game ever, surpassing last year's 9-0 Jax-Pit game.

[Rizon]

I'm so sick of this team losing. Fuck this team. Fuck the world. Fuck all deities.

[Mustang]

How incredibly shitacular

[Buccaneer]

Some of you little girls want football to be played on prestine fields?!? Might as well mandate that all games be played indoors so the poor players and their fans wouldn't be outside in the weather. Sheesh.

This game was so old school but not for the vigeo generation.

[Mustang]

This game was so old school but not for the vigeo generation.

The game was so old school it was before D's were invented.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I bet the Patriots would do it.

Nope. The Pats could have done it with Welker with the poison pill and only lost their 2nd rounder. Instead, they offered a 2nd and a 7th in a trade to the Dolphins to avoid the whole situation. That's a class franchise.

[Celeval]

The game was so old school it was before D's were invented.

Apparently, it was before Offense was invented, as well.

[SirFozzie]

Defensive end Simeon Rice, signed two weeks ago to fill in for injured Pro Bowler Dwight Freeney, was released Tuesday by the Indianapolis Colts.

That's three teams in one year.. what's the record?

[Kodos]

The Dolphins should release Jason Taylor.

[MikeVic]

I agree. Let the Colts sign him.

[MikeVic]

But not use him against the Steelers of course. Just against the Pats.

[Kodos]

I honestly hope he (and Zach Thomas) get traded to the Colts next season. That would be fantastic!

[johnnyshaka]

Word on the street is that Ricky Williams is out for the season with a torn chest muscle.

Welcome back, Ricky.

[Kodos]

Those three carries could make the difference this season. Especially the one where he fumbled.

Of course, it didn't help that that idiot stepped on him.

[Buccaneer]

I saw in the Sportsline Power Rankings that the Falcons players do not like their coach. Why is that? They didn't like Mora Jr either, so why can't they just suck it up and play for whomever is coach like most other teams do?

[Rizon]

Word on the street is that Ricky Williams is out for the season with a torn chest muscle.

Welcome back, Ricky.

Couldn't of happened to a better piece of shit.

[miami_fan]

I saw in the Sportsline Power Rankings that the Falcons players do not like their coach. Why is that? They didn't like Mora Jr either, so why can't they just suck it up and play for whomever is coach like most other teams do?

I think the feeling is mutual from head coach to some of the players. Those players will be gone at the end of the year.

[molson]

The Patriots put Colvin on IR, and activate Troy Brown from the PUP list.

It'll be nice to see Troy back, but I can't imagine he sees much time on the field.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Troy will be insurance. For if Welker was to get hurt . . . . . . . . .