The Official Bash The Detroit Lions Thread

[RomaGoth]

How the hell can the Detroit Lions choke away a 6-2 record???? They beat the Bears 2x, hammer Denver, yet lose to Washington 34-3, blow a fourth quarter lead against the Cowboys, and get run out of the stadium by the Chargers and Eagles (50 + points against). What a friggin' joke of a franchise. Yeah, Marinelli REALLY has things going in the right direction in Detroit. WTF, did Matt Millen give the team a pep talk after their 6th win or something??

Stupid Ford family needs to sell the team and Millen needs to be fired and shot into outer space without an oxygen tank. How much more can we take from this completely inept franchise???? :mad: :mad: :mad:

[stevew]

.....with the 14th pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select from the University of California, Desean Jackson, Wide Receiver?

[rkmsuf]

Kitna only needs 1,293 yards passing in the last two games for 5,000 yards on the season.

[molson]

It was kind of cute seeing the Lions fans all fired up earlier this year.

I just couldn't bring myself to tell them how things would turn out.

[RomaGoth]

.....with the 14th pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select from the University of California, Desean Jackson, Wide Receiver?

That is not even funny (I laughed anyway though). I swear if they pick one more WR I will go crazy...........:eek:

[Butter]

If Kitna just had one more weapon, though...

[Mustang]

It was kind of cute seeing the Lions fans all fired up earlier this year.


Kind of like a 1 year old eating their first birthday cake. Everyone is happy, excited and going awwwwwww... but, in the end you know it will turn into a mess and you have the video to prove it. Although, guess the 1 year old doesn't boast that they will eat 62.5% of the cake.

[RomaGoth]

Kitna only needs 1,293 yards passing in the last two games for 5,000 yards on the season.

Yeah, and only 3 more INT's for 20 on the year. :mad:

[RomaGoth]

It was kind of cute seeing the Lions fans all fired up earlier this year.

I just couldn't bring myself to tell them how things would turn out.

I was not one of those dillusional fans. Even if they started the season at 10-0, I would know what the end result would be. It is so completely ridiculous what is going on with that team. I keep having some shred of hope that something positive will happen, but alas......

For crying out loud, the Vikings with Tarvaris Jackson will probably make the playoffs. Yes, they have Peterson and a good defense, but they didn't start 6-2 either. The Lions are pathetic.

[RomaGoth]

If Kitna just had one more weapon, though...

Yeah, a foot up his ass on the way out of town. :eek:

[rkmsuf]

So how would you fix the Lions?

Outside of gratuitous violence I mean. Realistically what would you do? Millen isn't going anywhere. Marinelli isn't either.

[Pumpy Tudors]

RomaGoth, not to pick on you, but exactly which team(s) are you a fan of? Didn't I see you posting about the Dolphins in another thread about how you like them? I guess you're a Detroit fan, too? Are we going to find out that your favorite teams in other sports are the Grizzlies, Blackhawks, Pirates, and Grand Rapids Rampage?

[RomaGoth]

RomaGoth, not to pick on you, but exactly which team(s) are you a fan of? Didn't I see you posting about the Dolphins in another thread about how you like them? I guess you're a Detroit fan, too? Are we going to find out that your favorite teams in other sports are the Grizzlies, Blackhawks, Pirates, and Grand Rapids Rampage?

I grew up in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Thus, I followed the Lions for many, many years and suffered through all of the misery. Yes, I am also a fan of the Miami Dolphins (have been since Marino was a rookie), although not as much since Marino retired. The other NFL team I like is the Steelers, I have liked them since I was a child. I am mostly a Lion fan because of where I grew up. I also like the Red Wings in hockey and the Pistons in basketball. I like the Tigers in baseball (grew up watching them as well), but my first team in baseball is the Yankees. I like Michigan and Miami in college football. I have stuck with all of the above teams throughout my life, some more than others depending upon where I live. I don't like the Grizzlies, hate the Blackhawks, indifferent to the Pirates, and never really got into the Arena league (Grand Rapids Rampage). It may seem that I like all these different teams, but ultimately there really aren't that many. There is nothing wrong with liking more than one team as long as you are true to them. I am not a bandwagon jumper like a lot of people seem to be these days. I don't take your question personally, it is a reasonable question to ask. ;)

[RomaGoth]

So how would you fix the Lions?

Outside of gratuitous violence I mean. Realistically what would you do? Millen isn't going anywhere. Marinelli isn't either.

No gratuitous violence??? :(

Nothing can be done as long as Millen is there. He is completely inept in what he does (or does not do). Marinelli doesn't seem too bad, but the jury is still out on that one. I always thought Mariucci was a good fit, but he completely failed there and was run out of town.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Wow, RomaGoth, I had no idea that you grew up in Grand Rapids. I just threw the Rampage into that question because they're about as terrible as the other teams I mentioned in there. Eerie.

[RomaGoth]

Wow, RomaGoth, I had no idea that you grew up in Grand Rapids. I just threw the Rampage into that question because they're about as terrible as the other teams I mentioned in there. Eerie.

The Rampage won a championship or 2 I believe when they first entered the arena league, then they became completely awful. Not sure exactly about how many or when, as I never followed that sport very much.

[Pumpy Tudors]

The Rampage won a championship or 2 I believe when they first entered the arena league, then they became completely awful. Not sure exactly about how many or when, as I never followed that sport very much.
The Rampage are 30-64 since they won their championship, and that includes an 8-6 and an 8-8 season. They're 14-50 over the past four years. Yep, they are absolutely horrible. Ah, well, this thread is supposed to be about a different football team in Michigan. I'll make a Bash the Rampage thread sometime in March.

[RomaGoth]

I'll make a Bash the Rampage thread sometime in March.

I am looking forward to it. :cool:

[rkmsuf]

you guys should go down to the gym and pump each other

[Fighter of Foo]

Detroit is an okay team. They went 6-2 thanks to a fairly easy schedule and they've been 0-6 since thanks to a very difficult one. I don't see how this is hard to understand.

Last 6 losses:

AT Arizona
VS NY Giants
VS Green Bay
AT Minnesota
VS Dallas
AT San Diego

Were the Lions favored to win any of these games? Should they have been?

[rkmsuf]

Detroit is an okay team. They went 6-2 thanks to a fairly easy schedule and they've been 0-6 since thanks to a very difficult one. I don't see how this is hard to understand.

Last 6 losses:

AT Arizona
VS NY Giants
VS Green Bay
AT Minnesota
VS Dallas
AT San Diego

Were the Lions favored to win any of these games? Should they have been?

The point is when detroit is on your schedule it's "easy". When anyone besides the dregs are on the Lions schedule it's "hard".

[Cringer]

Bastards should have beat the Cowboys. That is all I care about from them.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I hate all of you people.

It was kind of cute seeing the Lions fans all fired up earlier this year.

I just couldn't bring myself to tell them how things would turn out.

You, Idaho. Go sit on a fucking potato.

Kind of like a 1 year old eating their first birthday cake. Everyone is happy, excited and going awwwwwww... but, in the end you know it will turn into a mess and you have the video to prove it. Although, guess the 1 year old doesn't boast that they will eat 62.5% of the cake.

You. You go play with your rooms full of action figures and shut the fuck up.

Ok, now that we've gotten the pleasantries out of the way.... :)

This is the way I approached the Lions this year. Was I excited when they were 6-2? Yes, of course I was. I made a conscious decision to just sit back and enjoy it. It's been so very, very long since we've seen any sort of success from this team, that instead of wringing my hands about the inevitable, I decided to try and enjoy it as much as possible.

I never had any delusions about this team. It was pretty clear that, despite their 6-2 record, good teams in the NFL don't get blown out as badly as the Lions did against Philadelphia and Washington. Still, they were 6-2 and it was kind of fun for a while.

Then the wheels started coming off the wagon and what we suspected all along - this is not a very good team - started to come to fruition.

Now, you non-Lions fans can get a hearty chuckle if you'd like, but, trust me, no one knew how this would end better than the pathetic group of people who have followed this team for years and years.

The only thing that's a bit different this year, is that I am really becomming annoyed with the majority of the team. Marinelli has become irritating and other than a handful of players (Ernie Simms, Roy Williams, Calvin Johnson, Kevin Jones, TJ Duckett, Gerald Alexander, Dwayne White, and maybe one or two more), I could care less if they came back next year or not.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Bastards should have beat the Cowboys. That is all I care about from them.

Go drop a load!

[rkmsuf]

oh shi. honolulu is mad at mike furrey.

[Fighter of Foo]

And my point is that many teams would do well to get 2 wins out of that six game stretch.

[Honolulu_Blue]

oh shi. honolulu is mad at mike furrey.

Mike Furrey can kiss my ass!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Mike Furrey can kiss my ass!
Whoa, buddy. Calm down and head over to the NHL thread. Enjoy the Red Wings and Brian Rafalski (I miss ya, Brian!).

[rkmsuf]

And my point is that many teams would do well to get 2 wins out of that six game stretch.

how about zero? including two whoopings and a game they found a way to lose at home.

[Honolulu_Blue]

And my point is that many teams would do well to get 2 wins out of that six game stretch.

You're absolutely correct. It was just that the Lions were competitive in two of those games (New York and Dallas) and simply got blown out in embarassing fashion in the other four, in particular against Minnesota and San Diego. Even an "okay team" shouldn't smacked around as badly as the Lions did in those two games.

[RomaGoth]

Detroit is an okay team. They went 6-2 thanks to a fairly easy schedule and they've been 0-6 since thanks to a very difficult one. I don't see how this is hard to understand.

Last 6 losses:

AT Arizona
VS NY Giants
VS Green Bay
AT Minnesota
VS Dallas
AT San Diego

Were the Lions favored to win any of these games? Should they have been?

Being favored or not is irrelevant to this argument. When a team begins the season 6-2, they should more than likely make the playoffs. Regardless of whom they beat in the beginning of the season, or how easy the schedule was, the Lions should not have had a complete meltdown like this. They stopped scoring points like they were in the beginning, and the defense became a broken levy. San Diego is a pretty good team, but they should not have put up 51 on Detroit. Washington has a mediocre offense and put up 34, and the Eagles have a dreadful offense (except for Westbrook) and put up 56 on Detroit. Also, the Lions beat Tampa Bay earlier this year. I understand that most of this really doesn't matter because anything can happen in any given week, but my point is that the Lions have completely melted down in the last 6 weeks. With the "genius" Martz running the offense, they should be at least outscoring some of these teams.....

[Honolulu_Blue]

Whoa, buddy. Calm down and head over to the NHL thread. Enjoy the Red Wings and Brian Rafalski (I miss ya, Brian!).

I'm going all Chris Simon in this thread, Pumpy. You've been warned.

p.s. Colin White.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm going all Chris Simon in this thread, Pumpy. You've been warned.

p.s. Colin White.
Oh, that was fucking low.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Rampage are 30-64 since they won their championship, and that includes an 8-6 and an 8-8 season. They're 14-50 over the past four years. Yep, they are absolutely horrible. Ah, well, this thread is supposed to be about a different football team in Michigan. I'll make a Bash the Rampage thread sometime in March.

My brother's wife's sister is married to the Rampage's trainer. He's a nice guy.

That's all I got.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Oh, that was fucking low.

I warned you.

That was just the equivalent of the ole cross-check to the face. You do not want to see the stomp. Trust me.

[Pumpy Tudors]

My brother's wife's sister is married to the Rampage's trainer. He's a nice guy.

That's all I got.
Well, get the message across that he needs to quit doing such a good job. Maybe if all the current players go down, they'll sign better ones.

[RomaGoth]

you guys should go down to the gym and pump each other

WTF??? :eek: Sorry, I don't swing that way.

[rkmsuf]

WTF??? :eek: Sorry, I don't swing that way.

Why am I doing this? I like men. I like to be manhandled. I like you.

[RomaGoth]

You're absolutely correct. It was just that the Lions were competitive in two of those games (New York and Dallas) and simply got blown out in embarassing fashion in the other four, in particular against Minnesota and San Diego. Even an "okay team" shouldn't smacked around as badly as the Lions did in those two games.

This is exactly my point. I just feel like bitching about the inept franchise called the Detroit Lions today. It is pent-up rage that has seethed inside me since I was a boy and watching guys like Eric Hipple and Rodney Peete run around and trip over the chalk lines. I am amazed at how poorly a franchise can be run yet people still go and see them. Even wearing a bag on their head (like last season) has not stopped the fans from paying good money for a joke of a team. When will it ever end? Maybe the Lions should be moved to Toronto and renamed the Argonauts....:eek:

[stevew]

Maybe the Lions should be moved to Toronto and renamed the Argonauts....:eek:

Actually, that's the fate of the Bills.

[RomaGoth]

Actually, that's the fate of the Bills.

At least the Bills have BEEN to a super bowl (yeah, I know, 4 of them and they lost all 4). The only thing Lions fans have to cheer is some NFL championships in the 1950's. Who gives a shit about that????? I wasn't even born yet when those happened. Ugh. :mad:

[SnDvls]

Detroit is an okay team. They went 6-2 thanks to a fairly easy schedule and they've been 0-6 since thanks to a very difficult one. I don't see how this is hard to understand.

Last 6 losses:

AT Arizona
VS NY Giants
VS Green Bay
AT Minnesota
VS Dallas
AT San Diego

Were the Lions favored to win any of these games? Should they have been?

Arizona was not a difficult one

[rkmsuf]

Arizona was not a difficult one

especially because it's just a dry heat out there


also giants at home is not all that difficult.

[Passacaglia]

I grew up in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Thus, I followed the Lions for many, many years and suffered through all of the misery. Yes, I am also a fan of the Miami Dolphins (have been since Marino was a rookie), although not as much since Marino retired. The other NFL team I like is the Steelers, I have liked them since I was a child. I am mostly a Lion fan because of where I grew up. I also like the Red Wings in hockey and the Pistons in basketball. I like the Tigers in baseball (grew up watching them as well), but my first team in baseball is the Yankees. I like Michigan and Miami in college football. I have stuck with all of the above teams throughout my life, some more than others depending upon where I live. I don't like the Grizzlies, hate the Blackhawks, indifferent to the Pirates, and never really got into the Arena league (Grand Rapids Rampage). It may seem that I like all these different teams, but ultimately there really aren't that many. There is nothing wrong with liking more than one team as long as you are true to them. I am not a bandwagon jumper like a lot of people seem to be these days. I don't take your question personally, it is a reasonable question to ask. ;)

Grand Rapids, rock on! I never really followed the Rampage much, though -- I think they came into existence after I moved away.

[Mustang]

Why am I doing this? I like men. I like to be manhandled. I like you.

Does this proposition entail my dressing up as Little Bo Peep?

[SnDvls]

especially because it's just a dry heat out there


also giants at home is not all that difficult.

the new dome and all helps difuse that ;)

[Fighter of Foo]

Being favored or not is irrelevant to this argument. When a team begins the season 6-2, they should more than likely make the playoffs. Regardless of whom they beat in the beginning of the season, or how easy the schedule was, the Lions should not have had a complete meltdown like this. They stopped scoring points like they were in the beginning, and the defense became a broken levy. San Diego is a pretty good team, but they should not have put up 51 on Detroit. Washington has a mediocre offense and put up 34, and the Eagles have a dreadful offense (except for Westbrook) and put up 56 on Detroit. Also, the Lions beat Tampa Bay earlier this year. I understand that most of this really doesn't matter because anything can happen in any given week, but my point is that the Lions have completely melted down in the last 6 weeks. With the "genius" Martz running the offense, they should be at least outscoring some of these teams.....

The only meltdown was choking away what was almost a certain win against Dallas. The rest were just losses against equal or better teams. You're crazy if you think Detroit was going to put up any kind of fight travelling out west to face an in form San Diego team after that awful loss last week. I didn't think SD would put up 51, but it wasn't exactly surprising.

[Fighter of Foo]

Arizona was not a difficult one


Arizona = Detroit and it was on the road. There are almost no easy road games in the NFL.

EDIT: I'll respond to the Giants comment here. The Giants were a horrible, horrible matchup for the Lions and this was before they had their own breakdown of sorts.

[Passacaglia]

Arizona was not a difficult one

I agree. I thought it was surprising that Arizona was favored for that one, but I guess someone knew something I didn't.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The only meltdown was choking away what was almost a certain win against Dallas. The rest were just losses against equal or better teams. You're crazy if you think Detroit was going to put up any kind of fight travelling out west to face an in form San Diego team after that awful loss last week. I didn't think SD would put up 51, but it wasn't exactly surprising.

That the Lions lost the San Diego game was not surprising at all. It was how horribly out played the Lions were. I mean, they made Darren Sproles look like Ladanian Tomlinson. It was a joke.

The bigger disappointment was against Minnesota. Granted, the Lions haven't won in Minnesota in some ridiculously long time, but it was a game against a divisional opponent with all sorts of playoff implications on the line. If you can't get up for that game and make it at least somewhat competitive, even on the road, you're just not a very good football team.

[RomaGoth]

That the Lions lost the San Diego game was not surprising at all. It was how horribly out played the Lions were. I mean, they made Darren Sproles look like Ladanian Tomlinson. It was a joke.

The bigger disappointment was against Minnesota. Granted, the Lions haven't won in Minnesota in some ridiculously long time, but it was a game against a divisional opponent with all sorts of playoff implications on the line. If you can't get up for that game and make it at least somewhat competitive, even on the road, you're just not a very good football team.

Yep, and the Lions have proven yet again that they are, indeed, not a very good football team. How many coaches and QB's do they have to go through before someone in the organization figures this stuff out?

[Lathum]

This thread needs more cowbell

[Fighter of Foo]

Yep, and the Lions have proven yet again that they are, indeed, not a very good football team. How many coaches and QB's do they have to go through before someone in the organization figures this stuff out?

They weren't a very good football team when they were 6-2. They're an average to slightly below average team. Kitna's not the problem though. They need some help on defense and the special teams play this year has been atrocious. A good offseason would go a long way and finishing 7-9 isn't a bad thing especially after the last 3-4 seasons.

[rkmsuf]

Kitna isn't "the problem" but he's not really an asset. The very definition of average.

[bulletsponge]

it was funny to see internet writers and talking heads giving Millen a pass for years of ineptitude because they started 6-2. it just shows you how idiotic you have to be to get a job being a sports journalist. "oohh hes the GM of the year" LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

[Honolulu_Blue]

They weren't a very good football team when they were 6-2. They're an average to slightly below average team. Kitna's not the problem though. They need some help on defense and the special teams play this year has been atrocious. A good offseason would go a long way and finishing 7-9 isn't a bad thing especially after the last 3-4 seasons.

Agreed. The defense has been awful, but that was to be expected. Going into the season, the expectation was that the defense would give up a lot of points, but the offense would score a lot of points. People foresaw a bunch of 35-31 type shootouts. Everyone agreed that the secondary was particularly bad.

Well, they were half right. The defense was awful. They got by the first half of the season thanks to quite a few turnovers. Once those dried up, the defense really became exposed. Shaun Rogers is taking a lot of the blame. He pretty much disappeared after the Denver game. The defensive line has been horrible. Other than a few flashes of brilliance by Rogers - long since past - and solid play from Dwayne White, the unit has been completely unremarkable. Cory Redding has been a huge disappointment.

Other than Ernie Simms, the linebackers are very pedestrian. I love Ernie Simms. He's a fabulous player, but he hasn't shown that he's a playmaker or game changer. You'd expect to see that out of a top 10 pick. That said, the way he flies around, hits, and never stops is very refreshing.

The offense has been a let down. As rksmurf noted, it's not all on Kitna, but he's not the answer either. He's been very mediocare. The offense has gone long stretches producing nothing. I think they had one touchdown pass in the month of October. They have struggle mightily running the ball in most games. The offensive line is very suspect and the passing game really hasn't been what folks thought it would be. This is why games that should have been 35-31 type affairs as expected, turned out to be 42-10 drubbings.

Special teams have also been god awful. They got so bad in the Dallas game that the just started to pouch kick every kick-off, giving up a ton of filed position because there was no confidence in their kick coverage schemes. That's pathetic. They've gotten nothing out of the return game either.

[Honolulu_Blue]

This thread needs more cowbell

You need more cowbell.

[Lathum]

You need more cowbell.

don't we all?

[bulletsponge]

You need more cowbell.

Blues been a bit testy in this thread. he needs to be reminded that at least the Lions arent the LOLphins

[Honolulu_Blue]

don't we all?

Not Shaun Rogers. He'd just use them to lure more cows to him and eat 'em all up.

[stevew]

Schmidty is going to be pissed when he wakes up and sees this thread.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Blues been a bit testy in this thread. he needs to be reminded that at least the Lions arent the LOLphins

Damn straight I've been a bit testy. I wish the Lions were the LOLphins. That way at least I could forget about the present suckitude for a moment and look back fondly at the Super Bowl wins, playoff victories, all that fun stuff.

All I have to look back fondly on now is the Barry Sanders Era, which included one playoff victory (the Lions' only playoff victory since 1957) and ended with the Lions' ineptitude forcing Barry to retire long before his time.

Even those good times turned to ash in the end...

[Honolulu_Blue]

Schmidty is going to be pissed when he wakes up and sees this thread.

Agreed. He's going to be pissed that he didn't get to come out swinging as well.

[thesloppy]

I hate Tommy Lasorda.

[Schmidty]

I hate this thread. Fuck you all.

[RomaGoth]

I hate this thread. Fuck you all.

Me too!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:eek:
:confused:

[RomaGoth]

I hate Tommy Lasorda.

Awww, c'mon now ---- why the hatred for someone who put Nutrisystem on the map???? :cool:

[Schmidty]

Me too!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:eek:
:confused:

Yes you too. I don't need reminded by how horrible the Lions are.

Seriously though, I'm just kind of numb now. I've been a Lions fan for as long as I can remember, and other than 1991 and Barry's individual accomplishments, it's been sheer misery.

I guess it's partly my fault, since I'm a loyal sucker. I know it will never happen, but if the Lions ever win the SB, I'll be able to say that I stuck with them through thick and thin. It'll be like the Wings in '97, and the Tigers of '06 (to a lesser extent).

[RomaGoth]

I touched on this subject earlier in this thread (and others I am sure):


All I have to look back fondly on now is the Barry Sanders Era, which included one playoff victory (the Lions' only playoff victory since 1957) and ended with the Lions' ineptitude forcing Barry to retire long before his time.

Even those good times turned to ash in the end...

HBlue is absolutely correct with this entire statement. I have never seen a more exciting player in the NFL than Barry Sanders. Tomlinson is cool, Vince Young is ok, McNair was decent in his prime, but my money is on Barry Sanders in the modern era of the NFL. AND THE LIONS COMPLETELY WASTED HIS CAREER!!!!!! It got so bad that he actually retired way earlier than when he should have. He became so absolutely, positively sick of losing that he walked away from the game. What a travesty. If I had half a brain, I would have forsaken the Detroit Lions from that day forward (I actually did for a few years). But, I have never been accused of being smart when it comes to which teams to follow in sports......:(

[RomaGoth]

Seriously though, I'm just kind of numb now. I've been a Lions fan for as long as I can remember, and other than 1991 and Barry's individual accomplishments, it's been sheer misery.

I guess it's partly my fault, since I'm a loyal sucker. I know it will never happen, but if the Lions ever win the SB, I'll be able to say that I stuck with them through thick and thin. It'll be like the Wings in '97, and the Tigers of '06 (to a lesser extent).

I feel your pain. There is nothing worse than watching that %#$@ Emmett Smith win super bowls and get all the accolades while Barry Sanders toiled in Detroit. He was ALWAYS a better player than Smith, but got no credit because of the crappy teams he was on.

At least the Wings won 7 Stanley Cups prior to 1997, and the Tigers won something prior to losing to the crappy Cardinals in '06....

The Lions....meh. I should expect nothing more from them until ownership changes and Millen is jettisoned to outer space like the cow turd that he is.

[DeToxRox]

The only way Detroit wins at all is if the old man drops dead. His kid apparently doesn't care for Millen, otherwise, it's never getting better.

[Cringer]

Go drop a load!

I wish I could.

[thesloppy]

Being a Lions fan wouldn't be nearly so bad if other Lions fans and the Detroit media weren't so prone to histrionics and rubbing eachother's faces in their I-told-you-so misery. (and just to be clear, I don't mean this thread...this stuff is tame compared to the sorrow that is most Lions boards).

I firmly believe that Sartre had Lions fans in mind when he wrote "Hell is other people."

[Schmidty]

Being a Lions fan wouldn't be nearly so bad if other Lions fans and the Detroit media weren't so prone to histrionics and rubbing eachother's faces in their I-told-you-so misery. (and just to be clear, I don't mean this thread...this stuff is tame compared to the sorrow that is most Lions boards).

I firmly believe that Sartre had Lions fans in mind when he wrote "Hell is other people."

I agree. Good Lord, the mlive.com forums are the most depressing, horrific place on the internet.

[thesloppy]

I agree. Good Lord, the mlive.com forums are the most depressing, horrific place on the internet.

Haha, that place really is quite something. I can log on to Mlive to read some innocuous looking little article, and 30 minutes later I'm enraged and hammering my fists on my keyboard with veins pounding in my forehead.

The Detroit media doesn't help either, as Tom Kowalski is seemingly always trying to push one of our best players out the door (currently Roy Williams) and Drew Sharp must be overjoyed the Lions lose, since he doesn't have to put any thought into anything and can just mail in another 'same old Lions' article.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Being a Lions fan wouldn't be nearly so bad if other Lions fans and the Detroit media weren't so prone to histrionics and rubbing eachother's faces in their I-told-you-so misery. (and just to be clear, I don't mean this thread...this stuff is tame compared to the sorrow that is most Lions boards).

I firmly believe that Sartre had Lions fans in mind when he wrote "Hell is other people."

I agree. Good Lord, the mlive.com forums are the most depressing, horrific place on the internet.

Haha, that place really is quite something. I can log on to Mlive to read some innocuous looking little article, and 30 minutes later I'm enraged and hammering my fists on my keyboard with veins pounding in my forehead.

The Detroit media doesn't help either, as Tom Kowalski is seemingly always trying to push one of our best players out the door (currently Roy Williams) and Drew Sharp must be overjoyed the Lions lose, since he doesn't have to put any thought into anything and can just mail in another 'same old Lions' article.

A-fucking-men. I can't go to the Mlive boards. Ever. Even "The Den" is horrendous. It's pathetic.

So far, in the last two weeks Kowalski has had Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Shaun Rogers all being traded before next year. It's incredible.

There really isn't anything that needs be said about Drew Sharp. He is the most negative columnist on the planet. He revels in any team's suffering and craps on them whenever anything might seem the least bit positive.

[RomaGoth]

A-fucking-men. I can't go to the Mlive boards. Ever. Even "The Den" is horrendous. It's pathetic.

So far, in the last two weeks Kowalski has had Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Shaun Rogers all being traded before next year. It's incredible.

There really isn't anything that needs be said about Drew Sharp. He is the most negative columnist on the planet. He revels in any team's suffering and craps on them whenever anything might seem the least bit positive.

I only check out Mlive on a rare occasion (usually because ESPN sucks balls and doesn't report any info that isn't about the Patriots or Cowboys).
At any rate, I always like the stuff from Mitch Albom and loathed Drew Sharp. He is a moron. With that being said, I don't see a problem with perhaps a little shake up with this team. Trade Shaun Rogers (I hear he doesn't have the best attitude in the first place). Trade Kevin Jones (he is, and always was, way overrated and a legend in his own mind). All of the decent running backs over the last 3-4 years that have passed through the draft, the Lions could have taken someone and sent Jones packing. As you can see, I am not in the Kevin Jones fan club. I thought that was a wasted pick. I have yet to be disproven on that thought. Shaun Rogers was suspended for 'roids and he is near 30 years old now, I would move him while he is still worth something. They have Shaun Cody and Cory Redding already anyway. Even if Redding is having a bad year, he should rebound soon.

Granted, I am not as close to the team (I live in Idaho) as I once was, but do any of you have any thoughts on any of this? ;)

[thesloppy]

Personally, I think the Lions have so many holes, primarily on defense, that they can't afford to consider trading away the few talents they have.

I don't think Jones a bust, but I can see how he could be considered a disappointment, but getting rid of him just leaves another hole to be filled, and wouldn't you rather they applied that cash and/or draft picks towards a cornerback or six? I'd be even less happy if they moved Rogers. He's certainly got conditioning problems, and possibly attitude problems as well, but there's no guarantee that Millen would be able to replace him with anybody of comparable talent, and opening a big hole in the middle of the D-line isn't my idea of improvement either.

[RomaGoth]

Personally, I think the Lions have so many holes, primarily on defense, that they can't afford to consider trading away the few talents they have.

I don't think Jones a bust, but I can see how he could be considered a disappointment, but getting rid of him just leaves another hole to be filled, and wouldn't you rather they applied that cash and/or draft picks towards a cornerback or six? I'd be even less happy if they moved Rogers. He's certainly got conditioning problems, and possibly attitude problems as well, but there's no guarantee that Millen would be able to replace him with anybody of comparable talent, and opening a big hole in the middle of the D-line isn't my idea of improvement either.

I think the expectations for Jones were too high in the first place. I don't view him as a bust, rather as a mediocre running back that has a problem with carrying a full load. Maybe Brian Calhoun should be given a chance so we can see what he can do. Who knows, he might be a Michael Turner (see: Chargers) in waiting. If not, oh well but at least we tried. Trading Rogers would not really leave a hole in the middle since they still have a young Shaun Cody and Cory Redding. Besides, after being lit up by the Chargers, Redskins, and Eagles the defense needs some serious changes. Yes, the secondary is horrible, but that is only one problem area. Gerald Alexander could be a steal from the 2nd round, but they need at least one CB to replace the departure of Dre' Bly last offseason. What they DON'T need is another WR, which is why I would package Rogers or Jones with Matt Millen and get them all out of town....;)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Personally, I think the Lions have so many holes, primarily on defense, that they can't afford to consider trading away the few talents they have.

I don't think Jones a bust, but I can see how he could be considered a disappointment, but getting rid of him just leaves another hole to be filled, and wouldn't you rather they applied that cash and/or draft picks towards a cornerback or six? I'd be even less happy if they moved Rogers. He's certainly got conditioning problems, and possibly attitude problems as well, but there's no guarantee that Millen would be able to replace him with anybody of comparable talent, and opening a big hole in the middle of the D-line isn't my idea of improvement either.

I agree.

I think the offense is a serviceable NFL offense. Could it be better? Definitely. But the defense has so many problems right now that they need to focus on getting that ship righted. Almost the entire secondary needs to be replaced, the entire linebacking corps (save Ernie Simms) needs to be upgraded, and they need to find a way to get more pressure on the QB from their front four.

As noted above, unfortunately the Lions have shown almost no ability under Millen to draft/sign quality players. It's not like there a bunch of players who leave the Lions and go off and have great, successful careers elsewhere. Other than Jeff Hartings (getting rid of him was one of Millen's first moves), most players who leave the Lions just go on to suck/be mediocare for some other team.