NFL Week 16

[stevew]

Steelers/Rams on NFL network tonight.

Hopefully Gum Ball is sick again. In leiu of that, Bruce Arians' play calling will most likely make me vomit in my mouth again tonight. I expect the Rams to abuse the Steelers secondary tonight, and it to be a pretty convincing win for STL. Tomlin better have the guys motivated.

[RomaGoth]

Steelers/Rams on NFL network tonight.

Hopefully Gum Ball is sick again. In leiu of that, Bruce Arians' play calling will most likely make me vomit in my mouth again tonight. I expect the Rams to abuse the Steelers secondary tonight, and it to be a pretty convincing win for STL. Tomlin better have the guys motivated.

I am beginning to suspect that the Steelers are the only outdoor team that plays better indoors. How else do you explain losing at home in the snow to a Florida team (Jags)?

[MikeVic]

http://ruinromo.com/

[RomaGoth]

http://ruinromo.com/

The absolute hilarity of this aside, you must have A LOT of free time on your hands. :)

[MikeVic]

Me?

[RomaGoth]

Me?

Yeah...I have no idea where you guys find some of this stuff. ;)

[MikeVic]

It was sent in a work e-mail haha. I just passed it on to here because I thought her eyes looked really freaky, and that it was a funny idea.

[RomaGoth]

It was sent in a work e-mail haha. I just passed it on to here because I thought her eyes looked really freaky, and that it was a funny idea.

Well I agree with you on that one. She is just nasty no matter who you are.....:eek:

[Jas_lov]

The Packers absolutely destroyed the Rams last week. But rest assured, the Steelers are not even close to being on the Packers level. I think the Steelers will lose this game and the Browns will win the AFC North. They deserve it. I'm just glad that this game is on national TV so that the whole nation can watch it.

[Lathum]

Willie Parker goes down early

[henry296]

Parker with broken fibula... most likely out for season.

[korme]

Got $40 on the Bengals/Browns.

(gulp)

[Lathum]

Got $40 on the Bengals/Browns.

(gulp)

$40 on what?

[henry296]

Not sure what happened to the Steelers defense, but they haven't laid a hand on Bulger all night. If the Steelers can't get pressure, their pass defense stinks.

[RomaGoth]

Parker with broken fibula... most likely out for season.

Too bad that didn't happen about 6 weeks ago. At least they could play lousy for a better draft pick. I hate when my teams squeeze into the playoffs and then lose in the first round. No high draft pick + no championship = :mad: RomaGoth.

[stevew]

Parker getting hurt.....that blows.

[henry296]

While I love Willie, Najeh has been just as effective this season. For a couple of games I can live with him.

[Raiders Army]

I love Willie.
:eek:

[Aylmar]

The Packers absolutely destroyed the Rams last week. But rest assured, the Steelers are not even close to being on the Packers level. I think the Steelers will lose this game and the Browns will win the AFC North. They deserve it. I'm just glad that this game is on national TV so that the whole nation can watch it.

Good call. And you're right about the Browns, too. When is the last time they actually beat the Steelers? 2003? They do deserve the division title...

[RomaGoth]

The Packers absolutely destroyed the Rams last week. But rest assured, the Steelers are not even close to being on the Packers level. I think the Steelers will lose this game and the Browns will win the AFC North. They deserve it. I'm just glad that this game is on national TV so that the whole nation can watch it.

Huh. :eek:

[Cringer]

The Packers absolutely destroyed the Rams last week. But rest assured, the Steelers are not even close to being on the Packers level. I think the Steelers will lose this game and the Browns will win the AFC North. They deserve it. I'm just glad that this game is on national TV so that the whole nation can watch it.

I have become your official reality check when it comes to the Packers. The Packers didn't really destroy the Rams. The final score was high, but the Rams moved the ball pretty well and the Packer offense was not at it's best. The first half was real close, too. Good win, but it wasn't domination.

I agree the Packers should win a game against the Steelers though, but it wouldn't be a blowout.

[Cringer]

NFL Broadcast Ratings Rise as Patriots' Perfect Year Lures Fans

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=apvyu0xMt7m8

My two favorite parts of this article for some reason.....

The NFL Network is selling ads for the Patriots' Dec. 29 season-finale against the New York Giants for more than $200,000 -- more than double the $85,000 it has received for ads during other games this season, MediaWeek reported. NFL Network spokesman Seth Palansky confirmed the figure.



The Patriots' popularity encouraged CBS to choose Gillette Stadium in Foxborough as the location of its first restaurant. The 15,000-square-foot ``CBS Scene,'' a joint venture with the team, will open next season.

``It's not a business we've been in before,'' McManus said. ``But we thought it was a no-brainer to further associate ourselves with NFL football and the Patriots.''

[RomaGoth]

NFL Broadcast Ratings Rise as Patriots' Perfect Year Lures Fans

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=apvyu0xMt7m8

My two favorite parts of this article for some reason.....

I wonder if the CBS restaurant will feature cancelled food and crappy reality tv shows on the side. Just sayin'. :rolleyes:

[Alan T]

NFL Broadcast Ratings Rise as Patriots' Perfect Year Lures Fans

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=apvyu0xMt7m8

My two favorite parts of this article for some reason.....

Having watched most of the pats games this year, I don't really see alot that cries out to me as the Officials trying to help the Pats remain undefeated. I've seen some bad calls in their favor, but also seen some bad calls against them.

Its stuff like this however that really bugs me about the NFL. They might be completely innocent of trying to ensure that the Pats remain undefeated for this game, but don't you have to remove all apperance of conflict of interest? I think everything about the NFL network trying to make a profit off of the pats this way is wrong, and really wish the NFL wouldn't do that. It places too much doubt in everyone's minds about motivation of calls.

[molson]

Having watched most of the pats games this year, I don't really see alot that cries out to me as the Officials trying to help the Pats remain undefeated. I've seen some bad calls in their favor, but also seen some bad calls against them.

Its stuff like this however that really bugs me about the NFL. They might be completely innocent of trying to ensure that the Pats remain undefeated for this game, but don't you have to remove all apperance of conflict of interest? I think everything about the NFL network trying to make a profit off of the pats this way is wrong, and really wish the NFL wouldn't do that. It places too much doubt in everyone's minds about motivation of calls.

That kind of doubt has been around for the history of sports.

But it's so incredibly absurd to think that a league would mandate referees throw a game. When people suggest that as a serious possibility, it's just difficult to take anything else they say seriously.

There was an online poll once where more than 50% of people thought that the NBA referees were ordered by the league to help certain teams. Then a bunch of refs went to prison for tax evasion. Don't you think those refs would have utilized that info to help them out in that scenerio? Don't you think the Federal government would be interested? Look at that one gambling addict NBA ref from earlier this year - wouldn't he have talked by now?

You don't trust referees with your livliehood, or with your freedom. They WILL talk eventually, and you WILL go down. There's VERY little to gain to take that kind of risk.

Why haven't the NFL refs helped any other team go undefeated since 1972? Isn't 1 undefeated team every 35 years a resonable number to happen without outside inteference having to be involved?

[stevew]

Why is the media making a big deal about 16-0? 19-0 is the important metric, and really the only real way to compare the Pats to the 72 LOLphins. They have to win the title to finish this thing off. If my guys can't win this year, however, it would be nice to see jackasses like Mercury Morris shut up by the pats going unbeaten.

[molson]

Why is the media making a big deal about 16-0?

Because no one's EVER done it?

[stevew]

Yeah, I mean, duh, nobody's been 16-0, but Patriots looking good in regular season is not the same thing as Lolphins running the regular season table and winning the superbowl. Hell, the Pats dropping the last 2 games of the regular season, going 14-2 and then winning the bowl is a helluva lot more impressive than going 16-0 and losing in the first round of the playoffs.

[Alan T]

Yeah, I mean, duh, nobody's been 16-0, but Patriots looking good in regular season is not the same thing as Lolphins running the regular season table and winning the superbowl. Hell, the Pats dropping the last 2 games of the regular season, going 14-2 and then winning the bowl is a helluva lot more impressive than going 16-0 and losing in the first round of the playoffs.

Are there people who actually would consider a loss in the postseason an "undefeated season" I assume most people expect any undefeated season includes all the way to the superbowl. Going 18-1 without the championship makes you roughly one notch behind the 85 bears.

[stevew]

Are there people who actually would consider a loss in the postseason an "undefeated season" I assume most people expect any undefeated season includes all the way to the superbowl. Going 18-1 without the championship makes you roughly one notch behind the 85 bears.

All I know is that an awful lot of the promos I've seen on NFL NEtwork, etc, seem to be talking about them clinching a "perfect season" next week vs the Giants.

[molson]

Yeah, I mean, duh, nobody's been 16-0, but Patriots looking good in regular season is not the same thing as Lolphins running the regular season table and winning the superbowl.

True. And if the Pats go 16-0, and then lose in the playoffs, it's a huge catastrophe for them, and a HUGE news story. So 16-0 is a big deal no matter what. It either means they go 19-0, or that have that historic loss.

Obviously, winning a super bowl is more important and impressive than anything anyone does in the regular season, this is clearly a more dominant team than the '72 dolphins. I know you can only play who's in front of you, but if we're talking history, it's relevant that the dolphins only beat two teams in the regular season with a winning record (and both of those finished 8-6). It was litterally one the easiest schedules in the history of the NFL. The Pats 14 wins is FAR more impressive.

[molson]

All I know is that an awful lot of the promos I've seen on NFL NEtwork, etc, seem to be talking about them clinching a "perfect season" next week vs the Giants.

So you consider that proof that the fix is in? It couldn't just be that they're huge favorites in both games and they want to hype what seems likely?

[stevew]

I never said shit about there being a "fix" in.

[molson]

I never said shit about there being a "fix" in.

You know what, I totally misinterpreted your comment, and that you responding to Alan T's post about a "perfect season" (I thougt we were still talking about referees fixing games, and took your post as implying that the NFL Network was assuming they'd win the last two games)

So, my bad.

[Hammer755]

Too bad that didn't happen about 6 weeks ago. At least they could play lousy for a better draft pick. I hate when my teams squeeze into the playoffs and then lose in the first round. No high draft pick + no championship = :mad: RomaGoth.

At least you have a half-dozen more teams to fall back on. :)

[finketr]

Yeah, I mean, duh, nobody's been 16-0, but Patriots looking good in regular season is not the same thing as Lolphins running the regular season table and winning the superbowl. Hell, the Pats dropping the last 2 games of the regular season, going 14-2 and then winning the bowl is a helluva lot more impressive than going 16-0 and losing in the first round of the playoffs.

i do believe the '72 dolphins were 16-0.

[Jas_lov]

I have become your official reality check when it comes to the Packers. The Packers didn't really destroy the Rams. The final score was high, but the Rams moved the ball pretty well and the Packer offense was not at it's best. The first half was real close, too. Good win, but it wasn't domination.

I agree the Packers should win a game against the Steelers though, but it wouldn't be a blowout.

You need to have some faith Cringer! All you do is build up the opponents whether its the horrific Lions, the hapless Rams, or the pathetic Bears! The Packers could win by 30 this Sunday and you'd still find faults in the performance! They could win the Superbowl and you'd still say that they could have done better! You don't get to 12-2 by accident! And why did everyone jump down my throat while leaving stevew alone? He thought it would be a Rams blowout! I was wrong! But I was still right about the final 3 in Survivor, so take that!

[Scoobz0202]

And the Cowboys don't get 12-2 by accident yet at times you seem to think they don't even deserve to be on the same playing field as the packers.

[Sublime 2]

WHOOO! Just bought myself an early Christmas present, Pats tickets for Sunday! A friend of mine has season tickets, he called me up and sold them to me for face value, so I'm pretty freakin giddy right now!

[Cringer]

You need to have some faith Cringer! All you do is build up the opponents whether its the horrific Lions, the hapless Rams, or the pathetic Bears! The Packers could win by 30 this Sunday and you'd still find faults in the performance! They could win the Superbowl and you'd still say that they could have done better! You don't get to 12-2 by accident! And why did everyone jump down my throat while leaving stevew alone? He thought it would be a Rams blowout! I was wrong! But I was still right about the final 3 in Survivor, so take that!

I have plenty of faith in the Packers. I also feel being a little realistic at times isn't bad though. Playing a certain way can get you a win against the Rams, while playing that same way would get you a loss to the Cowboys.

[korme]

$40 on what?

Take a wild guess Lathum! :)

[JeeberD]

Cowboys win 20-13. TO hurt. Not that I got to actually see any of the game.

Stupid NFL Network.
Stupid Missouri.

[DaddyTorgo]

WHOOO! Just bought myself an early Christmas present, Pats tickets for Sunday! A friend of mine has season tickets, he called me up and sold them to me for face value, so I'm pretty freakin giddy right now!


wanna take me?? :D

[sabotai]

i do believe the '72 dolphins were 16-0.

Yes, but I think everyone is just talking about the regular season when refering to 16-0. The regular season in '72 was only 14 games.

[Crapshoot]

Too bad that didn't happen about 6 weeks ago. At least they could play lousy for a better draft pick. I hate when my teams squeeze into the playoffs and then lose in the first round. No high draft pick + no championship = :mad: RomaGoth.

Given you root for every team on the planet, I'm sure one of your teams has won a championship. :rolleyes:

[Eaglesfan27]

What a play early in the Eagles game, McNabb with a very good looking 45 yard run before the Saints punch it free from behind, but the ball goes sailing towards the endzone and is eventually knocked into the endzone by a Saints' player before Kevin Curtis falls on it in the endzone for a TD!

[mckerney]

Ugh, why are we not getting the New Orleans - Philly game on TV in Minneapolis? Guess it's listening to that game on the radio rather than watching Chicago - Green Bay or KC - Detroit.

[Bearcat729]

Browns have a nice drive only to have the holder botch a FG attempt.

[DaddyTorgo]

14-0 Buffalo??

And didn't people hold up the G-men as like the 3rd best team in the NFC??

wow

[DaddyTorgo]

IMO the Giants will never win a Superbowl with Eli. He's way too prone to throwing up ducks under pressure, and throughout his whole life, with a father and a brother being who they are hasn't shown any inclination to change that.

[Neuqua]

Chicago Bear weather.

[mckerney]

Come on Philly, you can't let Aaron Stecker do that shit to you...

[Raiders Army]

There was a Johnnie Lee Higgins reception sighting.

[miami_fan]

IMO the Giants will never win a Superbowl with Eli. He's way too prone to throwing up ducks under pressure, and throughout his whole life, with a father and a brother being who they are hasn't shown any inclination to change that.

How dare you criticize Eli Manning!

[DaddyTorgo]

How dare you criticize Eli Manning!

LOL

hey...if the shoe fits. Given I don't watch all the Giants games or anything, but nothing I've seen from him since he came into the league has been all that encouraging. He's too inconsistent, and he seems to still get that "deer in the headlights" look about him.

[Eaglesfan27]

Eagles up 21-14 over the Saints at the end of the 1st quarter in an exciting game so far. McNabb looks the best he has looked all year.

[DaddyTorgo]

Eagles up 21-14 over the Saints at the end of the 1st quarter in an exciting game so far. McNabb looks the best he has looked all year.

EF...what are your thoughts on McNabb? Are you going to be happy or sad to see him go?

[Cringer]

You need to have some faith Cringer! All you do is build up the opponents whether its the horrific Lions, the hapless Rams, or the pathetic Bears! The Packers could win by 30 this Sunday and you'd still find faults in the performance! They could win the Superbowl and you'd still say that they could have done better! You don't get to 12-2 by accident! And why did everyone jump down my throat while leaving stevew alone? He thought it would be a Rams blowout! I was wrong! But I was still right about the final 3 in Survivor, so take that!

Do you see why I don't go off proclaiming every game will be a blow out victory? Yes, in perfect circumstances, the Packers "should" destroy the Bears. Things don't always go the way they should. Packers can't move the ball and I am just thankful that Ryan actually got that last punt off because I was starting to think the Bears and Packers would play the game inside the Packers 10 yard line the rest of the half or until the Bears scored.

And I hate the Bears, but that was one hell of a FG for Gould to go up 6-0.

[Jas_lov]

Ryan Grant goes to the HOUSE!!!!! Take that Cringer!!!!!!!

[Cringer]

Ryan Grant!!! I love you man!! I have been waiting for that all day. 60 something yard TD run. PAT is good, Packers up 7-6. Thank goodness.

[Jas_lov]

But seriously now, the weather has negated the Packers biggest strength and their biggest advantage over the Bears, the passing attack. I never predicted a blow out today and I certainly never foresaw there being 70 mile an hour winds! It's going to be a tough game, but the packers have been dominated thus far by making mistake after mistake, but they have the lead! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[Cringer]

Ryan Grant goes to the HOUSE!!!!! Take that Cringer!!!!!!!

Hey man, I love it as much as any Packer fan.

[DaddyTorgo]

I like how you two packer's fans are arguing with each other over how enthusiastic to be

[Cringer]

But seriously now, the weather has negated the Packers biggest strength and their biggest advantage over the Bears, the passing attack. I never predicted a blow out today and I certainly never foresaw there being 70 mile an hour winds! It's going to be a tough game, but the packers have been dominated thus far by making mistake after mistake, but they have the lead! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Exactly. That is all I am saying. Things (weather, injuries, etc.) don't go your way sometimes, a win can never be expected IMO.

[Cringer]

I like how you two packer's fans are arguing with each other over how enthusiastic to be

LOL. It's funny I agree. I love Jas' love for the Packers, but sometimes think he gets a little too revved up over stuff so it has led to this discussion.

[Radii]

Ryan Grant goes to the HOUSE!!!!! Take that Cringer!!!!!!!

Dear god you're an idiot.

[Cringer]

Sanders with an INT in Indy. Colts are starting to blow this open after whay looked like would be a good game after the first quarter.

[Jas_lov]

Three straight passes in the wind. Please don't attack me personally, radii. I thought you put me on ignore anyway. Ryan is having a terrible day.

[Neuqua]

The Packers punter probably wishes he didn't wake up this morning.

[Cringer]

Another wonderful punt by John Ryan. That thing went 10-15 yards I think.

I am wondering if the Packers want homefield advantage if we can't punt in bad weather?

[Eaglesfan27]

EF...what are your thoughts on McNabb? Are you going to be happy or sad to see him go?

I don't think he really is going, but I will be very sad to see him go if he does. He isn't the most accurate QB, but I think he is one of the best the Eagles have ever had. People like to point out his weaknesses, as with any athlete, but he did lead the Eagles to 4 consecutive NFC Championship Games with some very mediocre WR's around him and the team came close to winning a SB which would have obviously drastically reduced the unfair criticism that he gets from some Philly fans.

[Cringer]

Is Kyle Orton the future Hall of Famer in this game? He is throwing much better then Favre.

[Neuqua]

Woot, GARRETT WOLFE!

[cartman]

Did Cringer miss a tackle on that TD??? I'm confused.

[Cringer]

Damn. I wish I was there to make a tackle on that play. Bears go up before the half....doh. This game is U-G-L-Y, you ugly, you ugly.

[Jas_lov]

Well that last series sucked. I still don't know why the Packers passed it 3 straight times, up by 1 point, good field position, plenty of time left, in 70 mile an hour winds, and when Grant had just ran a TD. Ryan didn't help matters any. I blame Cringer.

[Cringer]

Well that last series sucked. I still don't know why the Packers passed it 3 straight times, up by 1 point, good field position, plenty of time left, in 70 mile an hour winds, and when Grant had just ran a TD. Ryan didn't help matters any. I blame Cringer.

I actually believe that 100%.

:D

[Cringer]

I don't think Eli will ever be a GREAT QB, but to defend him a little, his receivers don't seem to give him much help from what I have seen.

[Rizon]

Not that I'm watching, but the Chokeland Faiders just completely melted down with arguing with the refs, and got nailed with 3 unsportsmanlike conduct calls before a play got underway.

Raiders still arguing with the refs, and now they're ejecting players. What a despicable team.

[Rizon]

Raiders just got nailed with another US. 4 in a row. Warren Crapp just got ejected. Wow.

[Cringer]

INT for Favre. Crap. Have I said ugly yet?

[Jas_lov]

This is a complete disaster. I hate to say I told you so Cringer, but I knew this was going to happen.

[Cringer]

lol. Dumbass. :D

[Cringer]

What is the record for 4th down attempts in a game by one team I wonder?

[Cringer]

uhm, crap. Merry frickin' Christmas Bears fans. And up yours. :)

[Neuqua]

uhm, crap. Merry frickin' Christmas Bears fans. And up yours. :)

:)

[molson]

You have to be a REAL asshole to get ejected for arguing in an NFL game.

[Jas_lov]

It's ok Cringer. At least the Packers will be playing in January. The Bears should enjoy this win, name Kyle Orton the starter for next year, and then wonder how their team went from the superbowl to the basement of the NFC North.

[st.cronin]

Kyle "The Answer" Orton.

[Neuqua]

lol @ Packers punting team.

[Cringer]

lol @ Packers punting team.

I told my wife earlier in the game, the Pack should just go for the 90 yard FG. :(

[korme]

$40 in my pocket, $40 in my pocket

[Cringer]

If there is no TD on this drive, put in Rodgers. Favre doesn't need to take that punishment anymore.

[watravaler]

The Packers appear to be the worst team in the history of the NFL. I've only watched them twice this season, and the only thing I know, for sure, is....

Da Bears >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Packers

Orton>Favre

Merry Christmas, Green Bay!

[Cringer]

I am in no position to argue right now. :(

[bulletsponge]

a pack loss clinches HF for da boys right?

[stevew]

yeah, someone said something about these packers being able to whoop the steelers? This team looks like dogshit today.

[Neuqua]

Urlacher has been an absolute beast today.

[Cringer]

a pack loss clinches HF for da boys right?

Lock it in for the Cowboys. That means yes.


This game keeps getting better.

[Neuqua]

And yes, as bad as this season has been, it is nice to know we swept the Packers this year.

;)

[korme]

I am in my Fantasy Football Championship game.

I started Brett Favre.
My opponent starts Tom Brady and Ryan Grant.

:(

[Jas_lov]

Yes, the Packers could beat the Steelers. Are you people forgetting the Steelers mishaps all year? They don't look good today. As I said earlier, the wind negates their biggest asset and exposes one of their biggest weaknesses. The Bears should be congratulated for a good game today, but they are still terrible and at the basement of the NFC North for a reason. They went from the superbowl to terrible in one year. The Steelers will be lucky to make it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. The Packers have a bye to the 2nd round of the playoffs. It's not really even close.

[Cringer]

yeah, someone said something about these packers being able to whoop the steelers? This team looks like dogshit today.

Steelers look like crap more often. ;)

[Cringer]

If Favre takes a big hit and gets hurt McCarthy can go back into my shithouse. Game is over, take Favre out already.

[Cringer]

Fan on the field? I hate that they won't show this stuff on TV. People still do it obviously.

I wonder if he was naked? A streaker in this weather gets big props from me.

[Mustang]

The Packers appear to be the worst team in the history of the NFL. I've only watched them twice this season, and the only thing I know, for sure, is....

Da Bears >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Packers

Orton>Favre

Merry Christmas, Green Bay!


I have no problem with the Bears beating the Packers 2x every year if the Bears have a losing record and the Packers make the playoffs. I'm sure the Bears were just ohhhh so upset that the Packers beat them in the last game of the season and went to the Super Bowl last year.

[mckerney]

The Packers loss is somewhat disappointing. With the Cowboys clinching homefield it means that the Vikings will likely go to Dallas if they make the wild card and win in the first round in the playoffs, instead of if Green Bay had home field going to Lambeau where they're undefeated in the playoffs.

[Mustang]

if Green Bay had home field going to Lambeau where they're undefeated in the playoffs.

Green Bay isn't undefeated at Lambeau in the playoffs.

In other news.. WTF is Favre still playing for? About assinine

[Cringer]

I guess Rodgers isn't the #2 guy today. Still, who cares? Put John Ryan is at QB at this point.

[JeeberD]

Thank you very much, Bears. Now we get to rest our injured folks next week... :)

[watravaler]

Don't kid yourselves, the Bears suck because they have been decimated by injury. The defense is still very young, and I fully expect them to be in the NFC elite mix next season. With that being said, the Packers are simply not built for this type of weather, and will perform better in Dallas, as opposed to GB come January...

[mckerney]

Green Bay isn't undefeated at Lambeau in the playoffs.

In other news.. WTF is Favre still playing for? About assinine

I was talking about the Vikings.

[stevew]

Raiders looking good today.

[Mustang]

Don't kid yourselves, the Bears suck because they have been decimated by injury. The defense is still very young, and I fully expect them to be in the NFC elite mix next season.

Never said anything about the Bears woes this season. Just as much as I'm sure you didn't care that the Packers beat the Bears in the last game of the season nor would care if the situation was reversed.. it's about making the playoffs.

[Cringer]

Don't kid yourselves, the Bears suck because they have been decimated by injury. The defense is still very young, and I fully expect them to be in the NFC elite mix next season...

I would argue against that. The un-Bear like season was last season when all the chips fell into place for them. Injuries or not, the Bears just are not an NFC elite team.

[Neuqua]

.. it's about making the playoffs.

Agreed, but when you come off an embarassing season and know you are not going to make the playoffs, it is still somewhat nice to know atleast you swept your most hated rival. I'm not saying we had a better year than the Packers or anything, but that doesn't mean I won't be bringing the game up to all the Packers fans I know.

[stevew]

LOL at any NFC team not named the Dallas Cowboys being considered "Elite"

[Cringer]

Agreed, but when you come off an embarassing season and know you are not going to make the playoffs, it is still somewhat nice to know atleast you swept your most hated rival. I'm not saying we had a better year than the Packers or anything, but that doesn't mean I won't be bringing the game up to all the Packers fans I know.

If it was reversed, that is how I would feel. I loved the Packers win in Chicago last year.

[Cringer]

LOL at any NFC team not named the Dallas Cowboys being considered "Elite"

Because a possible 13-3 record comes by accident and luck for Green Bay?

[DaddyTorgo]

LOL at any NFC team not named the Dallas Cowboys being considered "Elite"

LOL at the Cowboys being considered "elite"

[Cringer]

Wow, this Bradshaw guy at RB for the Giants just had one hell of a run to possibly secure a win for the Giants.

[stevew]

......that's why they are the Bengals.

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow, this Bradshaw guy at RB for the Giants just had one hell of a run to possibly secure a win for the Giants.

i'm very "pro" the Giants winning today. Hopefully since they're locked in now they'll rest some starters next week

[stevew]

and that's why the are the Browns(50 yd play nullified by Offensive pass interference)

[JeeberD]

LOL at the Cowboys being considered "elite"

LOL at you being an ignorant prick

[Cringer]

i'm very "pro" the Giants winning today. Hopefully since they're locked in now they'll rest some starters next week

I am still upset about the Dolphins winning last week, but I am still hoping the Patriots go undefeated. I want the '72 Dolphins to be nearly forgotten.

The only thing that would make me want to see the Patriots lose at this point is the Packers playing them in the Superbowl.

Interesting note on the '72 Dolphins. I have heard this 100 times on Sirius NFL Radio this year, but not sure of the exact source: That Dolphins team had the 3rd easiest schedule in NFL history.

[DaddyTorgo]

LOL at you being an ignorant prick

ignorant prick? hardly

alright...i suppose if you have to have an "elite" team in the NFC it might as well be dallas.

[DaddyTorgo]

I am still upset about the Dolphins winning last week, but I am still hoping the Patriots go undefeated. I want the '72 Dolphins to be nearly forgotten.

The only thing that would make me want to see the Patriots lose at this point is the Packers playing them in the Superbowl.

Interesting note on the '72 Dolphins. I have heard this 100 times on Sirius NFL Radio this year, but not sure of the exact source: That Dolphins team had the 3rd easiest schedule in NFL history.

that dolphins team only played like...3 teams with winning records

[Cringer]

I see a battle over the definition of "elite" coming.

[stevew]

WHO DEY!!!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

close by the brownies there. Bummer.

[Mustang]

I see a battle over the definition of "elite" coming.

The Super Bowl winner

[korme]

Thank you, stevew.

[stevew]

Do they ever do any research for their comments. When the hell was Porter ever a nemesis for the Patriots? I can't remember him ever getting to Brady...if anything he was pwned(as well as the rest of the team) by new england repeatedly.

[Arles]

Losing 35-7 stinks, but the result is fine for GB. Sometimes weather negates talent (see the Pitt-Miami game as well) and the Bears had better ST and defensive pressure. Still, GB now won't face the Vikes (which is nice) and the team can rest their walking wounded (entire DL and CB group) for two weeks.

[st.cronin]

Do they ever do any research for their comments. When the hell was Porter ever a nemesis for the Patriots? I can't remember him ever getting to Brady...if anything he was pwned(as well as the rest of the team) by new england repeatedly.

Nice jinx, dipshit.


;)

[SirFozzie]

Tom Brady to Randy Moss, TD! 20 for Randy, 4 more for the record for Brady.

[SirFozzie]

Dola: That is one weird christmas wish video from the pats.

[SirFozzie]

Rodney with the nice *CLEAN* pop to seperate the receiver from the ball

[Rizon]

Maybe this Cleo Lemon > Montana stuff can stop from the Wannycamlolphin fans now. Just sitting here at my desk I can name off things that can pass better than Cleo: headphones, an empty bag of M&Ms, calculator, bottle of prilosec, bottle of water, Darth Vader ornament box, black pen, black pen cap, BofA receipt, used condom.

[Noop]

Cleo Lemon is getting his WR, TE and RBs killed...

[SirFozzie]

Lemon is a fucking Weebul Wobble back there.

[SirFozzie]

Boney Maroney with the huge run and Moss with some great downfield blocking.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, umm, on the Fox Overtime show (pretty sure it's local only), they just had a bit where people call in with their thoughts during a two minute drill, and the subject was how far the Cowboys could go if TO is hurt, and the first guy comes on--live TV--and starts with, "That n----- TO--". The commentator and show immediately cut him off, of course, but too late. Wow, you have to be kidding me.

Fucking racists.

[SirFozzie]

Randy with 21 TD's. This could be a huge game :)

[Noop]

Well that was fun good try Dolphins. Alas I except the fact that this season is not a good year for the teams I am a fan of... oh well its been interesting.

[DaddyTorgo]

Randy with 21 TD's. This could be a huge game :)

shush...you'll jinx it

[st.cronin]

What happened to John Beck? Did he get hurt, or did he just suck?

[SirFozzie]

He was on the QB-Go-Round. He wasn't great, but he didn't suck.

[SirFozzie]

Boney Maroney goes big again!

[Raiders Army]

Guess they will cover the spread after all.

[SirFozzie]

Maroney 3 Carries, 113 yards, Something like 38 yards a carry. That's Maximum Football #'s... which means that the Patriots are heading to the beer tent, right? :)

[Raiders Army]

Raiders looking good today.

Yup. It's the JaMarcus era.

[JAG]

It's not impossible that the Vikings would play the Packers in the playoffs. For it to happen the following would have to happen:

1. Vikings win their last two games
2. Giants lose next week
3. Vikings win their playoff game
4. Giants win their playoff game

Not likely, but possible.

[Raiders Army]

Troy Brown for the muff.

[SirFozzie]

We still love Troy Brown, and I'm very glad he got the chance to play.

[st.cronin]

I feel safe in saying that Cleo Lemon will not be the starting qb for the Dolphin's next playoff game.

[st.cronin]

Jeeber D Christmas: Lemon is well-named.

[SirFozzie]

His RB and WR are going to return the favor and kill him.. these passes are hospital balls.

[SirFozzie]

#48! Thanks, Miami!

[Raiders Army]

That's crazy.

[molson]

New NFL record for TDs in a season for the Patriots.

[DaddyTorgo]

if the first halves of the two MIA-NE games were one game, the Pats would've won, 70-7 (so far)

[DaddyTorgo]

I just saw a tramp-stamp on kyle ecko ladies (his shirt was riding up as he was bent over on the bench)

[SirFozzie]

100 Receptions for Wes Welker. 304 first half yards for the pats. Sick.

[SirFozzie]

Boo, hiss, bench brady ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

QB Controversy in NE???

[st.cronin]

They need to use that 1st round pick on Colt Brennan.

[MrBug708]

If you're Cleo Lemon, how do you not dive for that TD? He stepped out on his own?!?

[Noop]

Cleo Lemon is a terrible QB.. WTF man dive for it you POS.

[ISiddiqui]

Hell, he didn't even have to dive, really. Just put it in the other hand and reach it out as you go out.

[molson]

Only the Pats come out with 5-wide in the shotgun at their own 1-foot line.

[stevew]

Lemon is a joke.....I can't believe how the announcers keep building him up. He's a CFL level QB at best.

[SirFozzie]

Ok, wake up Pats. Don't let them back into this game

[Noop]

CFL? Wow. I think Cleo couldn't even play for my intramural flag football team.

[st.cronin]

Lemon is a joke.....I can't believe how the announcers keep building him up. He's a CFL level QB at best.

I don't get what he's doing on the field. Let Beck play, see if there's anything there. Its pretty apparent that Lemon is not taking this team anywhere.

[stevew]

I don't get what he's doing on the field. Let Beck play, see if there's anything there. Its pretty apparent that Lemon is not taking this team anywhere.

Yep....Beck's like older than Romo, no real reason why he's not playing right now. Parcells has a helluva project to do here.

[jeff061]

Brady has been keying way the hell too much on Moss the past few weeks.

[Noop]

Can we please trade Jason Taylor he doesn't deserve to suffer through this BS.

[SirFozzie]

Pats fan chanting Bullshit at a.. well.. not a good call, but not a truly obvious call.

(modifying Anchorman saying) We Stay Classy, Pats Fans :P

[stevew]

That Camirillo guy doesn't seem too bad. The Lolphins will probably figure out a way to lose him. Next year he'll probably be lining up opposite of Moss in NE, and go for like 1200 yards and 11 tds.

[st.cronin]

The Santa cheerleaders are exciting.

[ISiddiqui]

I'm thinking for this Week in Pictures, we may need a RedmanBrady... Wow!

[Thomkal]

:::sighs at his beloved Cards having to go into OT against the Falcons after leading by 10 heading into the fourth quarter.:::

[miami_fan]

That Camirillo guy doesn't seem too bad. The Lolphins will probably figure out a way to lose him. Next year he'll probably be lining up opposite of Moss in NE, and go for like 1200 yards and 11 tds.

Check last week's thread. That has already been called.

[st.cronin]

Boy, Washington is beating the crap out of Minnesota.

[Jas_lov]

It's not impossible that the Vikings would play the Packers in the playoffs. For it to happen the following would have to happen:

1. Vikings win their last two games
2. Giants lose next week
3. Vikings win their playoff game
4. Giants win their playoff game

Not likely, but possible.

5. Vikings get their asses handed to them at home by a sub par Redksins team and miss the playoffs all together. Since the Packers handed the game to the Bears on a silver platter, the Redskins now will play a Cowboys team next week with nothing to play for. The Vikings don't deserve to make the playoffs anyway after tonight's pathetic performance.

[Jas_lov]

The Packers loss is somewhat disappointing. With the Cowboys clinching homefield it means that the Vikings will likely go to Dallas if they make the wild card and win in the first round in the playoffs, instead of if Green Bay had home field going to Lambeau where they're undefeated in the playoffs.

The Vikings will not be going to Green Bay or Dallas as they won't even make the playoffs. Their loss tonight was definitely dissapointing. Playing at home with a chance to clinch a playoff berth. This ranks right up there with the choke against Atlanta in the 98 season.

[st.cronin]

Thumbs up to the Vikings cheerleaders, they've got me in the Christmas spirit.

[Pumpy Tudors]

The Vikings will not be going to Green Bay or Dallas as they won't even make the playoffs. Their loss tonight was definitely dissapointing. Playing at home with a chance to clinch a playoff berth. This ranks right up there with the choke against Atlanta in the 98 season.
What the hell are you talking about?

[Glengoyne]

Anyone else surprised that you can challenge a penalty that wasn't called, and get it called after the play?

I get it. Twelve men on the field and all. I just think it is one of those things that I'll have to warm up to.

[st.cronin]

Anyone else surprised that you can challenge a penalty that wasn't called, and get it called after the play?

I get it. Twelve men on the field and all. I just think it is one of those things that I'll have to warm up to.

I've seen it happen before, but it seemed weird to me too.

[molson]

Anyone else surprised that you can challenge a penalty that wasn't called, and get it called after the play?

I get it. Twelve men on the field and all. I just think it is one of those things that I'll have to warm up to.

I'm surprised by something in the NFL rules every single year, that's what makes it a great game.

This year, I learned that the Pats can't videotape opposing coaches for some reason, yet NBC can broadcast, on national TV, every audible that Tom Brady calls.

[Alan T]

I'm surprised by something in the NFL rules every single year, that's what makes it a great game.

This year, I learned that the Pats can't videotape opposing coaches for some reason, yet NBC can broadcast, on national TV, every audible that Tom Brady calls.

See, this is not true. Its been said a million times, the Pats can tape opposing coaches, everyone does it, that is not against the rules.

You just can't have a tape film in a location that is accessible by certain personel during the game (ie: tape that on the sidelines)

[mckerney]

The Vikings will not be going to Green Bay or Dallas as they won't even make the playoffs. Their loss tonight was definitely dissapointing. Playing at home with a chance to clinch a playoff berth. This ranks right up there with the choke against Atlanta in the 98 season.

A disappointing loss, but losing a game Tarvaris Jackson is starting in week 16 as disappointing as losing a game to go to the Super Bowl in a 15-1 season when the team had scored 556 points? Please.

[RedKingGold]

I'm just glad the 49er's keep winning so at least we're spared the embarassment of trading away a top-5 pick to the Patriots.

I don't know what to think of Shaun Hill except he's probably better than Miss Cleo.

[Thomkal]

So what exactly happened in the Raiders game that caused all those unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and Sapp's ejection? Can't seem to find any details on the specifics.

[gstelmack]

This year, I learned that the Pats can't videotape opposing coaches for some reason, yet NBC can broadcast, on national TV, every audible that Tom Brady calls.

My favorite was yesterday. I believe it was a shot of Cam Cameron, although I could be misremembering that. On HD, they got a closeup of him talking into his mike, with the cheatsheet held up. You could actually read most of it...

[gstelmack]

So what exactly happened in the Raiders game that caused all those unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and Sapp's ejection? Can't seem to find any details on the specifics.

CNN had some of it last night. Apparently a penalty got called on a Jags offensive lineman (illegal hands to the face), and the refs said that the Raiders declined the penalty, which meant fourth down and a 43-yard FG. Shortly afterward, the refs said that Oakland had accepted it, backing the Jags out. The Raiders defense was furious that the refs had essentially decided for them and not waited for them to make their own decision. Here's where it gets dicey: the Raiders claim the refs threw a quick flag on Sapp (it was right after the reversal), and that blew him up leading to another one and then a third. Another Raider also got flagged.

Likely would be that Sapp said something pretty sarcastic when they got it right, and that led to him getting flagged. The big question will be what did the refs base the original declination on?

And the fun part was Garrard threw a pick on the next play.

[molson]

It's a really bizzare scenerio in the AFC - The Titans are in if they win, and out if they lose, regardless of what the Browns do.

So if they both lose and finish 9-7, the Browns win the tiebreaker. Yet if they both win, and finish 10-6, somehow the Titans win the tiebreaker. I'm assuming that's because the final week's game would determine conference or divisional record or something.

[Greyroofoo]

Probably because the Browns play an NFC team and the Titans are playing an AFC team

[stevew]

In short, re titans/browns.

Titans and Browns haven't played, that would be the #1 tiebreaker. Titans are 6-5 conference, browns are 7-5. Their "common opponents" record is the same(#2 tiebreaker). #3 is conference, with the Titans win, they go to 7-5. And then I believe the #4 tiebreaker would then apply, the "strength of victory." The titans must have an insurmountable lead in that category.

[Buccaneer]

Dear Miami Dolphins,

Thank you for Chambers.

All the Bolts fans

[Honolulu_Blue]

Dear Norv Turner,

Thank you for sitting LaDanian Tomlinson after the first half.

Winner of his office fantasy football league

[miami_fan]

I thought Phillip Rivers was a good guy who never talked any trash. What the hell was that all about tonight? I don't think I have ever seen one QB talking trash to the other team's QB.

[bhlloy]

I don't know, but Champ Bailey was pissed, and apparently trashed Rivers to the announcing crew yesterday.

I'm a Chargers fan, but I basically agree with the gist of what he said. Rivers a) hasn't achieved anything in the league yet and b) is a frickin QB who needs to be the leader of the team. Shut the hell up and when you show you are anything other than an inconsistent QB with a decent arm and a great supporting cast, then get back to me.

Anyway we can get Drew Brees back?

[korme]

Just so you all know I am the Boston of my friends Fantasy sports. I took the last year's Fantasy NBA and am in the finals for the Fantasy Football.

But I was a severe underdog. The juggernaut 13-1 squad had Tom Brady, LT, and Randy Moss.

So my baby boomers, the 9+85=7 Squad squaking in the playoffs at 8-5 started Brett Favre (big surprise year!!), the NYG Defense (huge!), and Steve Jackson.

So Brady scores only 4 pts last week and I was pissed that somehow they didn't get upset on such an off day, so I am forced to play them.

Come this week, I have been riding the Favre train all year, and he gets me 4 fuckin points in the most important game of the year, against Brady no less.

Still, going into Monday night I was only down by 5 points and had K Kaeding, TE Gates, and WR Chambers, but again the juggernaut had LT.

I didn't see the game but checked the boxscore in nervous excitement. LT got 16 points so I was down by 21. Gates 20 some yards, 2 points... down 19... Chambers had 70 and a TD.... down 6.. Kaeding 3/3 fg plus 2 xp... yes!!!

I win by 5!!

I check the website to brag about how great I am.

Wait... the juggernaut also had Brandon Marshall from DEN who I cut this year??? Oh no... I check the boxscore... Marshall had 70 yards=7 points!! No!! I LOSE!

So again, damn you Brett Favre