View Full Version : OT: CM4 Has gone Gold
CAsterling
03-17-2003, 01:17 PM
Just seen the news on the website and looks like it will be released on time.
Just awaiting the new demo to appear (article mentions news about it on friday)
cm4 gold (http://www.sigames.com/news_view.php?act=2&id=625)
Havok
03-17-2003, 01:21 PM
Is CM really that good? I've never played any of them but they seem to have a HUGE following.
MrBug708
03-17-2003, 01:25 PM
Whoa....Havok. Soon after it hits the US market, all these Hattrick posts will turn into CM posts times 2!
Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game
Originally posted by MrBug708
Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game
So..lemme get this straight...you did'nt like Hattrick so it is not a good game?
If that's the case...TCY is a horrid game.
Katon
03-17-2003, 02:46 PM
However good Hattrick is, it isn't in the same league as CM. CM is the defining game in the genre. It's the biggest, the most refined, the most complex, and generally the best.
Havok
03-17-2003, 02:48 PM
Is there online play in CM4 like there is for OOTP series??
andy m
03-17-2003, 03:01 PM
CM has online play but it is nothing like OOTP in that regard.
Havok
03-17-2003, 03:03 PM
hmmm i might try it out. But probally wont be released is the U.S. for awhile.
Originally posted by Katon
However good Hattrick is, it isn't in the same league as CM. CM is the defining game in the genre. It's the biggest, the most refined, the most complex, and generally the best.
Agreed....but does that make Hattrick "not a great game"?
Marc, if you are reading: congratulations! You guys have done it! Be sure to get some sleep now... ;)
Originally posted by Havok
hmmm i might try it out. But probally wont be released is the U.S. for awhile.
You can order it from the UK. There are several threads that discuss different places to order it from and prices.
HornedFrog Purple
03-17-2003, 04:53 PM
Cool beans, when I get it in I will be gone for a week. :)
Hattrick and CM are two different games. Hattrick is much more simplistic and serves its purpose. At least with CM3, online or network play was quite trying, hopefully CM 4 will be better in this regard but I will not shed a tear if it is not.
QuikSand
03-17-2003, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by MrBug708
Whoa....Havok. Soon after it hits the US market, all these Hattrick posts will turn into CM posts times 2!
Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game
I disagree with your reasoning. Many, if not most, of the CM fans on this site did not come to CM because we love soccer... we came to it because we love text sports sims, and CM is the best there is. Many, if not most, of us love CM not because it's a soccer sim, but despite that fact. Big difference.
sabotai
03-17-2003, 04:58 PM
As far as I know, CM is not a multi-player game. It supports "hot seat" multiplaying and LAN. But not liek OOTP where you host online leagues
CAsterling
03-17-2003, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by QuikSand
I disagree with your reasoning. Many, if not most, of the CM fans on this site did not come to CM because we love soccer... we came to it because we love text sports sims, and CM is the best there is. Many, if not most, of us love CM not because it's a soccer sim, but despite that fact. Big difference.
Can't argue with that logic...thats why I got Hollywood mogul all those years ago, and have tried various text sims on subjects I know very little about (wresting/Hockey/F1) - I'm one of the fortunate ones who love Football and American Football (ok - as I'm currently living in your country, Soccer and Football) so it adds to my enjoyment of playing CM and FOF.
moriarty
03-17-2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Havok
Is there online play in CM4 like there is for OOTP series??
Havok, unless they've greatly increased online play capabilities, I would continue to look to Hattrick. But they're really not comparable games (other than they both are focused on soccer).
Hattrick is a simple, yet enjoyable online game that is geared completely towards online, casual (for most people) enjoyment.
CM4 is a very detailed, highly immersive text (and dot) based sim that is geared toward single person play and realism. But, at least up until now, I've never had much luck w/ online leagues - there's almost too much detail for that.
(Edit - Sorry Horns, didn't see your response when I posted).
HornedFrog Purple
03-17-2003, 05:04 PM
I am guilty of that. After I played the first CM3, I found myself watching Fox Sports World and paying attention to soccer here and abroad. In this case, the sim got me interested in the sport itself, if for anything just to place a face on the name.
I even went to a Dallas Burn game last year and had a good time.
ColtCrazy
03-17-2003, 05:16 PM
I can't wait. I'll be picking mine up with the next couple of weeks. This is great news.
I agree with Quik. I liked soccer before, but playing the game has definitely heightened my awareness of it. For others, I would agree that they didn't know, or didn't like, soccer beforehand but the quality of the game has made them enjoy it more, and perhaps even follow it.
McSweeny
03-17-2003, 05:18 PM
droooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Ragone
03-17-2003, 05:20 PM
The Cm Series is what addicted My friends and me to European Soccer(err football)
I don't think there will be another game like that in my lifetime that will make me want to follow another sport quite like The Cm series did. And for that reason i would like to thank Mark Vaughn and his staff..
Easy Mac
03-17-2003, 05:28 PM
I'd have to say CM had the opposite effect on me that it had on quicksand.
I found out about FOF through the CM boards. I had tried a couple of American sport sims before and found them lacking. W/o CM, I never would have found FOF and this board.
Originally posted by QuikSand
I disagree with your reasoning. Many, if not most, of the CM fans on this site did not come to CM because we love soccer... we came to it because we love text sports sims, and CM is the best there is. Many, if not most, of us love CM not because it's a soccer sim, but despite that fact. Big difference.
ditto for me. I still don't like soccer, but CM is by far the best text sports sim available. That's the reason I pre-ordered it a month ago. :D
Flame Eater
03-17-2003, 07:30 PM
Thank God!
Now I can stop smoking crack, and go back to CM.
Yeah, it's that addictive.
MrBug708
03-17-2003, 08:38 PM
I've always loved soccer. CM is, like people have said, the standard for text sports sims
Hattrick does nothing to satisfy my attention. I don't like it. I didnt say for anyone not to play it but its no where near CM. Its about the same level as Simcountry.
bbor, if I cant talk it down, you shouldnt talk it up though
GoldenEagle
03-17-2003, 08:42 PM
As the resident soccer advocate, I can say that most people in FOFC have leanred about soccer though CM.
Easy Mac
03-17-2003, 08:47 PM
I hope the impending war doesn't fuck up my shipping. I remember the anthrax attack occuring right before the release of the last CM version... hmmmm, first that, now a war... does CM know something we dont?
Originally posted by MrBug708
bbor, if I cant talk it down, you shouldnt talk it up though
I can live with that:)
TroyF
03-17-2003, 09:30 PM
QS nailed it. Before last year, I may have watched 10 soccer games in my entire life.
Now it isn't shocking for me to watch 10-15 games a month if I have the time.
CM made me a fan of soccer. I agree with the person who said that there will never be another game which will have that sort of impact on me.
TroyF
rexalllsc
03-17-2003, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by TroyF
QS nailed it. Before last year, I may have watched 10 soccer games in my entire life.
Now it isn't shocking for me to watch 10-15 games a month if I have the time.
CM made me a fan of soccer. I agree with the person who said that there will never be another game which will have that sort of impact on me.
TroyF
Concur.
BucDawg40
03-17-2003, 10:34 PM
Add my name to the list of those who became soccer fans after playing CM.
I was a so-so soccer watcher...i had no choice when i was younger,due to the fact i am German:)...but i now watch it much more...
daedalus
03-18-2003, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by MrBug708
Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game
Originally posted by MrBug708
Hattrick does nothing to satisfy my attention. I don't like it. I didnt say for anyone not to play it but its no where near CM. Its about the same level as Simcountry.
So were you trying to say that it "isnt that great of a game" or were you trying to say that it isn't as deep a game?
I'm still also not quite following what the reasoning was that made Hattrick not that great of a game.
GoldenEagle
03-18-2003, 12:20 AM
Tell us more about Freddy Adu. Do MLS teams have a shot at sigining him?
MrBug708
03-18-2003, 12:37 AM
If a European team is willing to offer him 750K as a 13 year old, I doubt the MLS can afford to pay him what he'll be worth as an 17/18 year old. My guess is we'll be able to do the loan thing ala Donovan at SJ.
As for Hattrick, the game is rather shallow and bumpy. Also, not being able to go at the pace I like, which is rather quick, is a huge negative. The ratings system is rather uninviting. Just a rather unpleasant game to me.
Of course, I dont like this board as much, outside of the fact it loads quicker
Marc Vaughan
03-18-2003, 03:41 AM
Thanks for the kind words and yes I am trying to get back into a regular sleep pattern now ;)
Airhog
03-18-2003, 04:01 AM
I would have to say that I have always enjoyed soccer. I have tried to watch as many world cup games as possible in the past. I do find US soccer rather unappealing, maybe because it isnt a great league. If I had digital cable, I could see myself watching the english premier division on a regular basis though.
One thing that CM did for me was open my eyes to how much strategy is involved. I had never really payed much attention to game strategy before, and playing CM took my enjoyment of watching soccer to a whole new level.
Karim
03-18-2003, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by GoldenEagle
As the resident soccer advocate, I can say that most people in FOFC have leanred about soccer though CM.
Agreed. Three versions later...
I'm still not a huge soccer fan, although I will watch the major events.
CM is simply the most immersive SMG around.
Blackadar
03-18-2003, 06:12 AM
I played it for about 15 seasons, but I know a ton more about the world game due to CM.
ColtCrazy
03-18-2003, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by MrBug708
If a European team is willing to offer him 750K as a 13 year old, I doubt the MLS can afford to pay him what he'll be worth as an 17/18 year old. My guess is we'll be able to do the loan thing ala Donovan at SJ.
If that's the case, the MLS teams will simply be outbid in the long run. They won't be able to compete with a top flight European team that really wants him.
ColtCrazy
03-18-2003, 08:51 AM
dola
Question to Marc (or anyone else). I've picked up the guide (Primus?) with the game in the past. I wonder if it will it be worth it this year? In the past, I've bought 2...one very useful, one totally worthless.
moriarty
03-18-2003, 09:01 AM
Anyone have a guess as to when the first pre-order shipments will reach the US?
Havok
03-18-2003, 09:35 AM
I think the reason i love Hattrick so much is because its geared toward playing against "Human" opponents. As much as i love Sports sims playing against the computer just isnt the same. There's always a way to beat the computer over and over again. But you won't beat a human over and over again with the same tactic (unless he's a moron).
Its like Unreal 2003..... sure playing the AI is fun, but nothing compares to playing online.
Originally posted by Havok
I think the reason i love Hattrick so much is because its geared toward playing against "Human" opponents. As much as i love Sports sims playing against the computer just isnt the same. There's always a way to beat the computer over and over again. But you won't beat a human over and over again with the same tactic (unless he's a moron).
Its like Unreal 2003..... sure playing the AI is fun, but nothing compares to playing online.
Ah, but you see, CM studies your tactic and adjusts, to beat you the next time if you are foolish enough to try the same thing twice.
Blackadar
03-18-2003, 07:42 PM
Galactic Civ or CM?
Hmmm...
Galactic Civ or CM?
Hmmm...
Galactic Civ or CM?
Hmmm...
Galactic Civ, CM or sleep?
Ah-ha!
The Afoci
03-18-2003, 07:49 PM
sleep for the next few weeks and come out refreshed and ready to play for months... that is what yoda does...
Blackadar
03-18-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by The Afoci
sleep for the next few weeks and come out refreshed and ready to play for months... that is what yoda does...
Well, there is that little thing called work too.
The Afoci
03-18-2003, 07:54 PM
hmmmm... coming from the man of "going to work to quit...." fame. come on, be a man, quit work for what you believe in... CM.
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