Sons of Anarchy Discussion

[DaddyTorgo]

So I guess Tara didn't make the deal - that's not surprising really. Interesting that Jax still seems surprised by it all though.

[panerd]

So I guess Tara didn't make the deal - that's not surprising really. Interesting that Jax still seems surprised by it all though.

Yes he seems to have a real gift for predicting every rival gang's next move but doesn't seem to see the obvious in his personal life. My wife was getting mad because I kept making predictions... I said "Chinese pulling up not Niners" "Truck full of black gang members... Chinese about to all die" "Jax about to destroy Thomas's room" :)

I wonder if Tara on the run is going to be a one episode thing that is cleared up this season or the basis for next season? It doesn't seem like she could last very long in real life with both the feds and Samcro after her but this show usually is full of twists so maybe the ending will make more sense next week.

[cartman]

Holy. Shit.

[DaddyTorgo]

Looking forward to checking this week's episode out and having that kind of reaction after the Bruins game is over.

[MrBug708]

Wow..I'm speechless...

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah - that left me speechless. Figured a gun, not a serving fork. And didn't see the 2nd bit coming at all.

In a sense though, it leaves me less emotionally invested in the show. Aside from all the outlaw-stuff that's really been the defining relationship at the center of the show.

It does do an effective job of making you wish they'd all get what they deserve though.

Guessing it just sets up another "Will Jax ever find out the truth?" bit for next season. And we've been down that road for like...6 seasons already.

[panerd]

I hope it doesn't come down to the lady with the shopping cart being more than just a background thing. Doesn't Macbeth have some sort of ghost involved? I used to think that was the role of Jax's father and the letters but now I am leaning towards thinking the bag lady is going to be this part in the final season.

On a side note CCH Pounder has now taken down Vic Mackey, Clay Morrow, and it appears Jax Teller. Quite a career.

[Logan]

I'm out on this show for next season. I'll catch it on Netflix eventually, I'm sure. It's just so fucking annoying and I hate screaming at the TV about how stupid everyone is.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm out on this show for next season. I'll catch it on Netflix eventually, I'm sure. It's just so fucking annoying and I hate screaming at the TV about how stupid everyone is.

Yeah - I read a review that said basically the same thing. "Yeah the climax was intense, but the number of stupid decisions people made in order for it to get to that point were just ridiculously unrealistic."

[cartman]

Filming started yesterday on the last season. Interesting addition to the cast for the stretch run. Marilyn Manson as a white supremacist.

'Sons of Anarchy' casts Marilyn Manson in recurring role | Inside TV | EW.com (http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/29/sons-of-anarchy-marilyn-manson/)

[stevew]

Oh god. I fucking hate him. Hopefully he's in it as much as RoboCop was last year.

[stevew]

Dola-
Nothing worse than watching like 45 minutes worth of an SOA episode and then advancing through a commercial break and realizing there are still 41 minutes left in the episode.

At this point I'm just watching to see all of them get killed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oddly enough, this thread bumps about the same time my son finished up watching the finale of S2. Was that last scene (on the dock), perhaps, the high water mark for the show?

[stevew]

There was this one point where the club that was in trouble and then they killed a lot of people and then jax double crossed someone and the club had no consequences.

That was maybe the high water mark

[cartman]

another person from the music world tapped for the final season. Courtney Love.

Courtney Love Cast in ‘Sons of Anarchy’ Season 7 | TVLine (http://tvline.com/2014/07/08/courtney-love-sons-of-anarchy-season-7-cast/)

[Logan]

Jesus.

[BYU 14]

another person from the music world tapped for the final season. Courtney Love.

Courtney Love Cast in ‘Sons of Anarchy’ Season 7 | TVLine (http://tvline.com/2014/07/08/courtney-love-sons-of-anarchy-season-7-cast/)

WTF, just when you thought there were no more sharks left to jump.

[flere-imsaho]

Car crash television.

[stevew]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks she's a good actress? That fucker Manson on the other hand....

[cartman]

She was surprisingly great in The People v. Larry Flynt.

[chinaski]

Ill take Love and Manson over Navarro any day.

[JonInMiddleGA]

WTF, just when you thought there were no more sharks left to jump.

On the other hand, if anybody looks like she belongs in that universe ...

[BYU 14]

On the other hand, if anybody looks like she belongs in that universe ...

Good point, she would fit in nicely in Nero's stable

[bhlloy]

This show jumped the shark, hopped the shark, vaulted over the shark and then took a plane and flew over the shark a few times for good measure.

[stevew]

It murdered the shark in broad daylight and then murdered everyone that saw the crime, then it conveniently framed someone who later will die, cause hey, Jax is cute.

[DaddyTorgo]

There was a Sharknado in there too somewhere...

[chinaski]

Good point, she would fit in nicely in Nero's stable

and shes actually going to be the preschool teacher for Jax' kid. hah!

[bhlloy]

It murdered the shark in broad daylight and then murdered everyone that saw the crime, then it conveniently framed someone who later will die, cause hey, Jax is cute.

And then there was a massive deus ex machina at the end of the season, and all the government agencies said "fuck it, let's not investigate these hundred and fifty murders in this small town any more"

[cartman]

The guilty pleasure is back tonight with the final season debut.

[DaddyTorgo]

The guilty pleasure is back tonight with the final season debut.

At this point I might as well be in on watching it just to see it through to conclusion, but man it's so shark-jumped as we were all saying after the finale.

[stevew]

Cannot wait for long extended sequences of people riding on bikes to some country rocking adult AOR track that sounds as stale as a GPC cigarette. Jax absolutely has gotta nail the crying scene, Gemma is going to perhaps mention how desperately she wants to protect her boys. Someone in the club probably has to die tonight, I'm guessing that guy that got his colors last year(Rat?) doesn't have enough plot armor anymore. I've been running under the assumption that he's an undercover fed for the entire time he's on the show though, I'm probably wrong.

[DaddyTorgo]

Cannot wait for long extended sequences of people riding on bikes to some country rocking adult AOR track that sounds as stale as a GPC cigarette.

Dude - I just FF through those now. Try it.

[stevew]

Liberal use of fast advance here, too. I like to make fun of the montages cause they're pretty absurd. Look at how badass we are on our motorbicycles

[CAsterling]

At this point I might as well be in on watching it just to see it through to conclusion, but man it's so shark-jumped as we were all saying after the finale.

Couldn't agree more. I have stuck with the show for this long and want to see how it ends, but it is more of a chore than a pleasure to watch after the all the shark jumping.

[DaddyTorgo]

Couldn't agree more. I have stuck with the show for this long and want to see how it ends, but it is more of a chore than a pleasure to watch after the all the shark jumping.

Besides - I don't know if I could binge watch it at this point - I might tear my hair out.

[stevew]

This episode is 1 hour and 30 minutes long. Geez. Can't wait for the 4 hour finale.

[JonInMiddleGA]

My son finished up binge watching (with me tagging along more often than not) to get through S5 on Netflix ... only to realize that S6 isn't available yet. We'd actually figured out a plan to get him through that in time to pick up in real time by no later than ep 2.

So that pretty much killed any viewing of S7 here.

[flere-imsaho]

only to realize that S6 isn't available yet.

That's amazingly dumb. The sooner we get to the point that media companies understand there's more to be made by making content as accessible as possible, the better.

[JonInMiddleGA]

That's amazingly dumb. The sooner we get to the point that media companies understand there's more to be made by making content as accessible as possible, the better.

I figure it points toward the relative importance (after a certain point) of DVD sales vs total viewership.

[stevew]

It's bad enough that like S6 of that show isn't available by now. But what perplexes me is micro stuff like Adult Swim is super unavailable for free. For instance, NTSF:SD:SUV is typically the best 7 minutes of my day(either new episodes or old ones I've seen 3 times). But I wanna share it with people and "buy the DVD" doesn't really work.

[DaddyTorgo]

This episode is 1 hour and 30 minutes long. Geez. Can't wait for the 4 hour finale.

Um dude...bad news. Just checked my DVR...10:00pm-12:30am.

That's 2.5hrs, not 1.5hrs.

[panerd]

Um dude...bad news. Just checked my DVR...10:00pm-12:30am.

That's 2.5hrs, not 1.5hrs.

I guess a lot of people have DVRs nowadays but how bad does that time suck for people who don't?

[DaddyTorgo]

I guess a lot of people have DVRs nowadays but how bad does that time suck for people who don't?

Yeah right?

[cartman]

The show itself will be 1 hour 45 minutes, with a 45 minute post-episode discussion.

[DaddyTorgo]

The show itself will be 1 hour 45 minutes, with a 45 minute post-episode discussion.

Aaaah....well that's better I guess.

[RainMaker]

45 minutes of the episode will be them hugging each other slowly.

[JonInMiddleGA]

45 minutes of the episode will be them Brohugging each other slowly.

Fixed that for you.

[Johnny93g]

45 minutes of the episode will be them hugging each other slowly.

You weren't far off!

I found this premiere boring. It was too long, most of the cast i've been familiar with is gone, so now i have to care about characters i don't care about.

Same old criticism's as the last few season. Storylines are too complicated, the show is going all over the place.

As a side note, and i know it's a TV show. Why the hell would anyone live in Charming, or join a MC! Members of the MC seem to have horrible lives. It's can't be fun. Any at this point, residents of charming probably have about a 10% murder rate, and im guessing 95% are unsolved!

[BYU 14]

Same old criticism's as the last few season. Storylines are too complicated, the show is going all over the place.



I still enjoy the show despite it's foibles, but this was my criticism of the premier, seems like they tried to cram a lot of stuff into one episode, that could have been spaced out better.

[stevew]

The bohemian rhapsody sequence is probably a new low. I need to do a 12 step program to quit this shit.

[Logan]

The bohemian rhapsody sequence is probably a new low. I need to do a 12 step program to quit this shit.

One step a week starting now and you'll definitely be quitting :).

[panerd]

The bohemian rhapsody sequence is probably a new low. I need to do a 12 step program to quit this shit.

Heh. I work with a woman who loves this show and stayed up and watched it during it's late night premiere. I hadn't watched it yet so she said she wouldn't spoil anything but thought the Bohemian Rhapsody cover was one of the best tv moments. Different strokes for different folks I guess?

The show kind of is what it is though isn't it? I mean season 1 wasn't exactly absent of any plot holes or lapses of realism. I watch because its a fun hour of mindless entertainment. Same with the Walking Dead. Fun to watch but got to suck for people who analyze how the imaginary zombies aren't acting like they imagine they would in real life.

[stevew]

It's like Scooby doo meets the dukes of hazzard meets motorcycles.

[cartman]

I'm starting to think that only Juice and Gemma are gonna be left standing at the end.

[DaddyTorgo]

I fell asleep partway thru last night. I'll have to finish it up later - although I did see it looked like someone hit Diosa and destroyed all the plot on the show.

[stevew]

Thank god this is almost over. The Feds would be swarming with a gangland style murder and a grenade in public. Even if it was largely harmless.

[stevew]

I get that Sutter is married to Gemma and that Lea Michelle is a bit of a casting coup, but what the fuck. Normal episodes should never be 1:32. So insane. I'm guessing the Finale is going to be like 3 hours long. Someone needs to die soon in order to advance this plot.

[stevew]

Dola,

Patching over the Grim Bastards would be pretty cool. I really like their leader and I feel like we need more Malcolm Jamal Warner on TV.

[flere-imsaho]

Someone remind me - what happened with the CIA plotline from a few seasons back?

[BYU 14]

The unchecked carnage is getting a bit ridiculous. Right up there with Chibs as a Scottish Romeo with the power to keep the new Sheriff in town under his seductive spell as chaos reigns supreme. Hell, if you had a drink every time someone was killed this season nobody watching would ever make it to work on Wednesdays.

The only character I am really enjoying this season is Nero, who seems genuinely conflicted and somewhat believable, hopefully they don't botch that.

And Marilyn Manson can't act worth a fuck

This really just went on too long and should have taken a cue from Sutter's other big endeavor on The Shield. It nearing the jump the shark zone at the end, but still ended at the right time and was entertaining throughout.

That said I still have somewhat high hopes for the prequel about the original 9, there is some potential there.

[stevew]

Someone remind me - what happened with the CIA plotline from a few seasons back?

Just when it looked like the club was going down, jax pulled a rabbit out of his hat and the club escaped consequence free


This also applies to every other story.

[flere-imsaho]

The unchecked carnage is getting a bit ridiculous. Right up there with Chibs as a Scottish Romeo with the power to keep the new Sheriff in town under his seductive spell as chaos reigns supreme. Hell, if you had a drink every time someone was killed this season nobody watching would ever make it to work on Wednesdays.

This, plus the consistently bad decisions people make on this show, are what have really strained credulity for me. IRL, at this point the National Guard would be patrolling the streets of Charming.

The only character I am really enjoying this season is Nero, who seems genuinely conflicted and somewhat believable, hopefully they don't botch that.

I'd add that part of that way you feel like this is that Smits is head and shoulders the best actor on the show, especially now that Perlman's gone. In comparison, I like Katey Sagal and everything, but Sutter's relying too much on her acting ability, which is good but not great.

[stevew]

I really need to throw in the towel here.

[stevew]

Dola,
Really feel like these shooting scripts are written in crayon.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm like 4 weeks behind this season.

I assume I'll catch up at some point - maybe while marathoning the new FM beta demo in order to balance out what you guys seem to be indicating is the suck.

[RainMaker]

It is really bad. I guess I don't understand why each episode needs to run 90 minutes either when there is so much worthless filler. Cut out a few scenes of the bro hugging and apologizing and get it down to 60.

[cartman]

I'm not really sure why it seems people were expecting the last season to be like The Wire or The Sopranos. It has been what is has been since the beginning.

[stevew]

It is really bad. I guess I don't understand why each episode needs to run 90 minutes either when there is so much worthless filler. Cut out a few scenes of the bro hugging and apologizing and get it down to 60.

It defies all logical TV/filmmaking technique. They could easily just burn through the episodes in an hour if they just edited it properly.

[JonInMiddleGA]

#3 scripted show on cable last week(narrowly edged by American Horror Story for #2), this week's rating even to last week.

Extra half hour is worth two more commercial breaks at least.

Any questions about why it's 90 mins instead of 60?

[RainMaker]

I'm not really sure why it seems people were expecting the last season to be like The Wire or The Sopranos. It has been what is has been since the beginning.

I definitely wasn't, but the show is not like how it was. It's turned into a parody of itself.

My favorite bit from the last episode was how Unser explained that the female cop who survived the assault wasn't going to rat on Jax because they went to high school together. Because God knows if I was a cop who just took a bunch of rounds from an assault rifle, I'm looking the other way if I sat behind you in History class 15 years ago.

[bhlloy]

Is it really not like how it was though? Season one ended with an ATF agent being murdered in broad daylight on a road and the club didn't get investigated because they painted an IRA symbol at the scene of the crime.

Maybe it's absurd because the number of times they've driven a bus through a plot hole to escape the entire club being on death row in a heartbeat, but I don't think it's really ever been that realistic.

[stevew]

I thought the first few seasons were a ton better. This is just murder porn now.

[stevew]

Dola, they should have just let Unser die of cancer 2 years ago or more. He totally drags down the show at this point. As far as last night goes the pimp segment added nothing, could have been cut.

[RainMaker]

Is it really not like how it was though? Season one ended with an ATF agent being murdered in broad daylight on a road and the club didn't get investigated because they painted an IRA symbol at the scene of the crime.

Maybe it's absurd because the number of times they've driven a bus through a plot hole to escape the entire club being on death row in a heartbeat, but I don't think it's really ever been that realistic.

It's always been a little out there but murders were somewhat of a big deal back then. Now they could have 20 ATF agents gunned down in an episode and it wouldn't be a big deal.

The show was great early on but when they went to Ireland it turned. There's just so much big stuff happening that ends up not mattering at all.

[Logan]

I just powered through the last 3 episodes tonight.

My favorite part, by far, is that an escort service was conservatively valued at $600k when the assets consist of a shot up, bloodied building and a bunch of dead whores.

And Kurt Sutter is definitely responsible for turning that kid who plays Abel into a future serial killer.

[stevew]

Jesus I feel for you.

Liquor license and whore license are def more expensive than you'd think but 600K was indeed hilarious. It would be like if they tried to get people to still use Aurora theatre 's murder room or Sandy Hook. Nobody would go there.

[stevew]

If it's sold at 5* earnings that would mean it grosses 120K/ year. 10 girls tipping out 33% means a net of $1000/ day meaning they give very cheap head or have few clients or the Mayans are getting a deal.

[stevew]

Dola,

When shark tank meets bikers.

[stevew]

Dola again.

Bobby has to say the line "Black and Brown, teaming up to sell P*ssy to make green"

[Logan]

If it's sold at 5* earnings that would mean it grosses 120K/ year. 10 girls tipping out 33% means a net of $1000/ day meaning they give very cheap head or have few clients or the Mayans are getting a deal.

"Seems good" was Marcus' response to the valuation. He didn't even need to see the books.

[stevew]

So Courtney Love tells Jax that able hears his grandmother talking about killing his mother? If not was it seriously a 2 sec cameo for nothing?

[stevew]

"Seems good" was Marcus' response to the valuation. He didn't even need to see the books.
He's gotta bring in his forensic accountant obviously

[stevew]

Melo? Really?

[stevew]

If this wasn't the last season I'd be out completely after last night. Writing is shit, pacing is shit, acting is largely shit.

[BYU 14]

I was actually enjoying the episode until that pointless "take me now scene" with Jarry and Scottie. WTF was the point of that??

But speaking of shit, I for some odd reason elected to stay tuned in for the Anarchy Afterwords show and don't think I have ever seen such a train wreck. Say what you want about Talking Dead, but it is usually always well paced, flows smoothly and is entertaining.

This Afterwords show was a complete clusterfuck from the jump. Bobby looked like he wanted to be anywhere else. The host has no command of the show, looks totally unprepared and between the awkward moments of silence and him talking over people the enter show is horrid. The folks that play August Marks and June Stahl were solid, but even they couldn't save that disaster. They would have been better off letting a team of first year media arts students from (insert college name here) do the wrap up.

[cartman]

Abel dropped the bomb. The final act is set in motion.

[stevew]

He's such a bad actor.

[chinaski]

I cant wait for this shitty ass show to be over with. and Abel is the worst, i feel like a dick, but that kid is just awful. Hes got to be related to a producer.

[stevew]

Only 3 episodes or (at least)5.5 hours left!

[flere-imsaho]

This is what you get, as a director, for having the hubris to think you can make a child actor drive a key plot point successfully.

[stevew]

It's bad when you realize that they're like 45 minutes into an episode and essentially nothing has happened. He's so lucky he has creative control because nobody else would get the type of leash he gets. Network notes would fix most of these issues

I can't believe these black pastors have played such a large role in this. The preacher's son is a pretty bad actor IMO. He kills ever sequence he's in. The minister is okay, but the son should have died 3 times by now.

Really, do we have to keep going back to Goggins over and over? I thought it was cool the first couple times they used the character. But at this point there's no real reason to give Tig anything more. I guess Sutter just wants to be shocking for shocking's sake or something.

So I guess our loose threads are

-who is the Rat, I'm assuming it's RoboCop but it might actually be Ratboy. Maybe that lie he told about Jury's kid was indeed true

-if not, why is Rat getting so much screentime. Is he going to be the new Prez?

-how will the other charters react. The kill on Jury was justified, but I feel like that will cause issues

-seen it raised elsewhere, but Jax offing himself needs to be on the table. Why else was it brought up

-can Unser just succumb to cancer already?

-obviously Lin needs to die or we've wasted so much time on the Nazi

-really want to see Lodi get patched over, he's one of the few characters I like.

-as much as "black" needed to die, having the Nazi's do it seemed way too hate crimey.

-the reveal seemed way too silly. You can't bank on getting complexity out of a horrible kid actor.

-Does Sutter legitimately think this is good stuff? How can he be proud of the way this turned out.

We get it, the Wheelchair chick from Steel likes rough sex. Perhaps we could have given chibs stuff to do seasons ago, he can handle his business acting

-Happy has been criminally underutilized throughout this show.

-Maybe Kevin Nash and the fat Hispanic guy will get something to do eventually?

[BYU 14]

I cant wait for this shitty ass show to be over with. and Abel is the worst, i feel like a dick, but that kid is just awful. Hes got to be related to a producer.

We marvel weekly how he got the gig. Yeah, I know he's a kid, but for gawds sake. They couldn't find anybody better?

[cartman]

Apparently it is a set of twins that play the part of Abel, and they also appeared in several episodes of Mad Men.

[Johnny93g]

So Sutter REALLY likes or REALLY hates Theo Rossi.....

Sons of Anarchy makes the Walking Dead look like Breaking Bad.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I guess Sutter just wants to be shocking for shocking's sake or something.

I'm not watching (still a season behind, plus the current one) but I know what you're referring to.

It had a friend of mine -- 45ish y/o female -- in tears because it was so sweet.
Apparently there's a demographic subset that storyline has appealed to.

{shrug}

[cartman]

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[Logan]

So Sutter REALLY likes or REALLY hates Theo Rossi......

This episode made me think back to when an entire season was built around Juice fucking over the club cause he was worried they'd find out he was 25% black...all while Tigg is banging a tranny and everyone is cool with it.

We marvel weekly how he got the gig. Yeah, I know he's a kid, but for gawds sake. They couldn't find anybody better?

I'll say it again...

And Kurt Sutter is definitely responsible for turning that kid who plays Abel into a future serial killer.

[MrBug708]

when i think about this show 10 years from now, all I'm going to think about is marilyn manson raping juice and then reading him poetry.

[stevew]

Surprisingly solid episode. As bad as Hunam can be at times, I feel like he kknocked it out of the park.

[chinaski]

Yeah, finally a good episode. Hunam and Smits really carried it.

[BYU 14]

Definitely the best episode in quite some time, actually got the show back on track.

I hope they can stay the course to a solid ending.

Agree, with above too, Smits is always strong and he came through again, but Hunnan really stepped it up. Have to give a shout out to Dayton Callie as well. Though he did a great job manipulating others for once, instead of always being the way looking like a dummy. Sucks he is still protecting Gemma though.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm just glad that the cat is finally out of the bag. I finally caught up on all of this season last night right before the episode.

[stevew]

Definitely the best episode in quite some time, actually got the show back on track.

I hope they can stay the course to a solid ending.

Agree, with above too, Smits is always strong and he came through again, but Hunnan really stepped it up. Have to give a shout out to Dayton Callie as well. Though he did a great job manipulating others for once, instead of always being the way looking like a dummy. Sucks he is still protecting Gemma though.

I'd watch anything with Smits in it and I'm hoping he fronts the walking dead spin off.

[BYU 14]

I'd watch anything with Smits in it and I'm hoping he fronts the walking dead spin off.

He would be awesome in that!!!

[Johnny93g]

I was thinking this was the best episode of the season, but then it just wouldn't end.

stealing a car, resisting arrest, causing what looks like a catastrophic accident that could have resulted in a dead cop....Jax should be facing a long jail sentence from that 2 minute sequence.

Knowing how smart Sutter thinks he is, I'm predicting JT faked his death, will show himself in the finale and save Jax from his "club" punishment for killing the older Sons guy 2 episodes ago.

I know how ridiculous this sounds, but i really think he at the very least considered this.

[Bigsmooth]

Welp, that just happened.

[cartman]

The two I thought would still be standing at the end both got offed.

[chinaski]

Yawn. That was so boring.

[stevew]

1:51

Jeez.

[cartman]

So, my guess for the finale:

Most of the loose ends get tied up
Jax doesn't meet Mr. Mayhem. He gets kicked out of the club and all of his club tats forcibly removed.
Jax, Wendy, the kids and Nero move to the farm. Just when you think it will end that way, the Chinese or Irish track them down and kill them all.

[stevew]

1. I'm assuming the unwritten rule was about the blacks and this way they can patch over the Grim Bastards.

2. Jax is going to get that mayhem vote. I bet Chibs has to hand it out .

3. His only other option will be jail I'd assume.

[Johnny93g]

Finale....over/under: 3 hours....

im glad this show is ending, i dont think i would watch another season.

[chinaski]

Hah, I though last night was the series finale. Not so disappointed now. Sad state of the series if I could believe that was it.

[Bigsmooth]

Hah, I though last night was the series finale. Not so disappointed now. Sad state of the series if I could believe that was it.

That's funny ha. Such a weird episode...it was just so nonchalant and the dialogue so pointless and "simple" for lack of a better term.

[stevew]

Sutter called this "the best episode of the season". Talk about disconnect. I wish someone would do a "Phantom Edit" of this season. There's good stuff in this show but editing would serve it well. I'm not watching his next show if the episodes exceed a standard length. At some point each week becomes an ordeal. If I was watching without skip I'd have been done a long time ago.

[stevew]

Dola,
forgot to mention a few weeks ago...Opie's GF porn star is a notary. I think this makes Taco the second most unlikely notary on TV now.

[stevew]

I hope it doesn't come down to the lady with the shopping cart being more than just a background thing. Doesn't Macbeth have some sort of ghost involved? I used to think that was the role of Jax's father and the letters but now I am leaning towards thinking the bag lady is going to be this part in the final season.

On a side note CCH Pounder has now taken down Vic Mackey, Clay Morrow, and it appears Jax Teller. Quite a career.

The Bag lady is the kids sitter? Or is the sitter the girl who was living in the streets?

I assume we'll get final closure on what happened to JT(a suicide note)

[cartman]

The Bag lady is the kids sitter? Or is the sitter the girl who was living in the streets?


It is the lady pushing the shopping cart that appears every once in a while. I think her first appearance this season was at vending machine at the rest stop when Gemma gets the ride from the tomato trucker.

[stevew]

Hah, I though last night was the series finale. Not so disappointed now. Sad state of the series if I could believe that was it.

I also found this hilarious.

[DaddyTorgo]

That has to have been the bloodiest episode of the series as far as "main character deaths" hmm?

Kind of weird that they wrapped that all up already and the main thing left is basically like "what is the secret unwritten bylaw that Jax got the other Presidents to waive and how will that play into stuff?"

[stevew]

Has to be about black members, right?

[panerd]

A coworker friend of mine who is way too into this show thinks Jax has to have a Macbeth ending so she thinks his lazy leg is leading to him slowly dying from poisoning. Interesting take though I have to admit I know nothing about Macbeth so I am taking her word. She also said that zoom by dead Unser specifically pointed out a King's chalice.

[Bigsmooth]

Hmm. Yeah I was wondering what was up with that Unser zoom...focused on that little figurine for a bit.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah...interesting. Would also give a "role" to the homeless lady.

[RainMaker]

Unser's death has to be one of the weirdest ways to kill off a really important character in the show. There was no emotion to it. He was just a prop in the end. So bizarre.

Sutter is really a terrible writer.

[stevew]

I wish they would have let cancer take him 3 seasons ago. He really offered nothing the last several years/they could have used him much better.

[BYU 14]

Unser's death has to be one of the weirdest ways to kill off a really important character in the show. There was no emotion to it. He was just a prop in the end. So bizarre.

Sutter is really a terrible writer.

Yeah you saw it coming and almost didn't care.

I don't think Sutter is a bad writer though, his work on The Shield was very solid and there were some great moments on this show. The problem is I think this went two seasons too many to milk the popularity. It got to the point where there was nothing more to do but try and top the last shocking moment and it became impossible to believe all the carnage wouldn't have brought in a federal task force and the National Guard.

I am still actually looking forward to the prequel, which could be solid if done correctly and not so over the top.

Justified is a show SOA could take an example from. Ending this season too and it has never gotten old, at least to me. Plus it has the benefit of Coggins, who is one of the most under rated actors around.

And speaking of The Shield, by squeezing in that cameo from Michael Chiklis he has finally gotten all major cast members from that show time on SOA. :)

[DaddyTorgo]

Unser's death has to be one of the weirdest ways to kill off a really important character in the show. There was no emotion to it. He was just a prop in the end. So bizarre.

Sutter is really a terrible writer.

He's always been the "prop" character though.

But yeah...what an unemotional end.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Justified is a show SOA could take an example from.

Then again, Justified pulls about half the audience SOA is pulling.

I mean, we can all bitch buuuuut, well it's not as though it isn't working.

[BYU 14]

Then again, Justified pulls about half the audience SOA is pulling.

I mean, we can all bitch buuuuut, well it's not as though it isn't working.

Hey, can't fault him for riding the gravy train out.

[stevew]

Sons of Anarchy Finale Spoilers Leak Thanks to Book Mishap - IGN (http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/12/08/sons-of-anarchy-finale-spoilers-leak-thanks-to-book-mishap)

Lots of spoilers out there. Do not go down the rabbit hole if you don't wanna know.

[stevew]

Listed runtime of 180 minutes. Assuming that includes the talk show. But if not, wow.

[cartman]

Listed runtime of 180 minutes. Assuming that includes the talk show. But if not, wow.

Yeah, that includes the post-show. Scheduled length of the episode itself is 1:53.

[DaddyTorgo]

Watching on DVR - my prediction after 30 minutes - Jax is going to capture Connor and turn him over to the DA (to give up the Kings) in order to buy immunity and WitSec for himself and get the club out of guns.

[DaddyTorgo]

And...wtf

[DaddyTorgo]

LOL would be funny if Chucky was an undercover cop the whole time.

[DaddyTorgo]

So in the end the result is what?

Jax kills all the loose-end plot strings, lays out who kills his wife to the DA (for no real reason), and rides off to slam into a truck?

No closure on the homeless lady except that she gave him the blanket? Edit: Ohhh duh. That's what I get for not being religious. Although the Jesus symbolism was overly in-your-face at the very end for sure.

Weak sauce IMO.

[DaddyTorgo]

My god - I've never watched this talk show before. Sutter is painfully awkward at this.

Time to change the channel...lol

[stevew]

Ok. Do I need to spoiler?


I guess it was my fault for knowing what would happen. Thanks book leak.



Solid finale, a bit iffy towards the end. But given how this show was, I guess it works.

Really would have wanted like one more 10-15min montage though. It's crazy to think about how this was easily a 17+ hour season and we couldn't get those minutes.

[BYU 14]

My god - I've never watched this talk show before. Sutter is painfully awkward at this.

Time to change the channel...lol

You should have seen the guy they had before, he mercifully vanished after the debacle that was the Mark Boone Jr. appearance after Bobby was killed.

[stevew]

Totally did not know this was Opie.


Saving Private Ryan Hearing Loss: Saving Private Ryan Hearing Loss - YouTube (http://youtu.be/EjAGUWxoY-Q)

[BYU 14]

After a day for it to sink in I have to say despite it's foibles I am going to miss the show. I thought the finale was pretty solid and even a bit touching at the end. Even if the loose ends were tied up in a predictable manner, there wasn't really much choice in doing it any other way and it did complete the circle. Hopefully the prequel can recapture some of what SOA had in the early seasons.

[stevew]

I'm not sure if First 9 will happen soon, if at all. It's not set in stone. I guess they will eventually write a big enough check.

[stevew]

Anarchy Afterword was pretty painful to watch. It makes me appreciate Andy Cohen even more.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think First 9 could be a disaster frankly. There's going to be so many characters with "plot armor" that it has serious potential to just be like...dull.

[stevew]

Just a question, maybe trolling, but gun to your head, did anyone know the name of the fat Hispanic or the tall Kevin Nash looking guy?

Also, did anyone else notice the Melo cameo from a few weeks ago?

[stevew]

I think First 9 could be a disaster frankly. There's going to be so many characters with "plot armor" that it has serious potential to just be like...dull.

I'm guessing it will ultimately be a mini-series.

[DaddyTorgo]

Just a question, maybe trolling, but gun to your head, did anyone know the name of the fat Hispanic or the tall Kevin Nash looking guy?

Also, did anyone else notice the Melo cameo from a few weeks ago?

Nope - Nope, and Nope.

[stevew]

Ok. I just looked up their names. Vaguely remember the Hispanic guy's name but no idea about Kevin Nash.

[cartman]

So, my guess for the finale:

Most of the loose ends get tied up
Jax doesn't meet Mr. Mayhem. He gets kicked out of the club and all of his club tats forcibly removed.
Jax, Wendy, the kids and Nero move to the farm. Just when you think it will end that way, the Chinese or Irish track them down and kill them all.

Not too far off. The loose ends got tied up and Jax did quit, but didn't meet Mr. Mayhem at the hands of the club. But Nero, Wendy and kids get to live happily ever after.

[Arles]

I enjoyed the finale.
The irony of Jax's life completely mirroring his dad was kind of a cool add in this season. Essentially, JT didn't want his boy to enter the life he had and drove his bike off a cliff to kill himself (with the hope that Jax wouldn't replace his mistakes). Early on, we were led to believe that Gemma and Clay did it. But, this season, the key line that "JT knew that bike like the back of his hand and wouldn't have ridden it had something been tampered with" led Jax to figured it all out. In the finale, he said that he understood and that he loved his dad - a tip to the hat to his dad for setting up the plan for him to finally end it all. He then went on to kill himself on his dad's bike to hopefully end this lineage of Teller kids leading SAMCRO.

Although, as an aside, there's little chance that Abel doesn't become some kind of hellion. Having 3 of his 4 "parental figures" killed and learning his grandma killed his mom (and prob that his dad killed his grandma at some point) means he will have issues. Not to mention the whole "kidnapped in Ireland" season.

Still, I think Sutter tired to clean it up a little too nice with the finale, but I appreciated how it played out. Jax didn't want anyone taking the fall for what he did so he came clean with the DA about his mom killing Tara and gave her a "wink/wink" that he killed his mom by giving her the address in Oregon. Marks and Peter Weller also had to die and by him killing them, no blowback on the club/Tyler. Finally, having the club let him escape means that they don't have to live with the idea of shooting and killing their best friend (like he would have had to live with killing his mom if he didn't end it himself). While having them do the Mayhem vote ensures the other charters won't treat them as rogue with repercussions.

[BYU 14]

I enjoyed the finale.
The irony of Jax's life completely mirroring his dad was kind of a cool add in this season. Essentially, JT didn't want his boy to enter the life he had and drove his bike off a cliff to kill himself (with the hope that Jax wouldn't replace his mistakes). Early on, we were led to believe that Gemma and Clay did it. But, this season, the key line that "JT knew that bike like the back of his hand and wouldn't have ridden it had something been tampered with" led Jax to figured it all out. In the finale, he said that he understood and that he loved his dad - a tip to the hat to his dad for setting up the plan for him to finally end it all. He then went on to kill himself on his dad's bike to hopefully end this lineage of Teller kids leading SAMCRO.

Although, as an aside, there's little chance that Abel doesn't become some kind of hellion. Having 3 of his 4 "parental figures" killed and learning his grandma killed his mom (and prob that his dad killed his grandma at some point) means he will have issues. Not to mention the whole "kidnapped in Ireland" season.

Still, I think Sutter tired to clean it up a little too nice with the finale, but I appreciated how it played out. Jax didn't want anyone taking the fall for what he did so he came clean with the DA about his mom killing Tara and gave her a "wink/wink" that he killed his mom by giving her the address in Oregon. Marks and Peter Weller also had to die and by him killing them, no blowback on the club/Tyler. Finally, having the club let him escape means that they don't have to live with the idea of shooting and killing their best friend (like he would have had to live with killing his mom if he didn't end it himself). While having them do the Mayhem vote ensures the other charters won't treat them as rogue with repercussions.


Good summary and that song in the final minutes (which Sutter himself wrote) fit absolutely perfect.

[stevew]

I thought Tyler did some pretty solid work throughout the last several seasons. Definitely not the prototype gangbanger you normally see.

[cartman]

I was also impressed with Marilyn Manson as the white supremacist prison leader. I wasn't expecting much, but he was pretty solid.

[stevew]

I was also impressed with Marilyn Manson as the white supremacist prison leader. I wasn't expecting much, but he was pretty solid.

Melo was also pretty good.

[Bigsmooth]

All things considered, Nero is probably pretty happy. He made a nice trade from Gemma to what's her face.

[stevew]

I guess he basically got back to zero considering he was already loaded at the beginning.

Also I kept hearing Norco and thought he meant northern Cali but apparently he was moving south. I also thought this show was set near SD for some reason, lol.

[stevew]

Dola, much prefer the more full figured Ade to the Soprano version.

[cartman]

Sounds like there might be a spinoff focusing on The Mayans.

'Sons of Anarchy' spin-off in the works at FX | EW.com (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/26/sons-anarchy-spinoff-mayans)