Sons of Anarchy Discussion

[DeToxRox]

Tonight at 10, FX's new show that hopefully replaces the Shield for me, about a biker gang in California. Previews look good, and reviews of the first two episodes sound intriguing. I am very excited to see it, though it's funny HBO has their own biker show, 1% also coming out soon. Hopefully both work because I need some violence in my life.

So who else is planning on watching?

[Anthony]

i plan on watching.

if HBO is gonna have a biker show that might wind up being better than SoA, only due to being able to have an R-rated show for mature audiences. i actually might have to look into 1% since i prefer unfiltered violence.

[sabotai]

I'll probably TiVo is and give it a watch, but I don't have high hopes for it.

[DeToxRox]

Thought it was good. Shows a lot of promise. A nice little Shield reference as the One Niners are featured briefly.

Looks like Dutch from the Shield will also be on the show eventually too.

[sabotai]

Is it going to be a crossover, or a different "universe"?

[DeToxRox]

Is it going to be a crossover, or a different "universe"?

Different universe. He played an ATF agent. The show has potential. A couple characters really intrigue me, but there are one or two that annoy me. I'll stick it out for the season I think, but so far so good.

[SFL Cat]

*yawn*

[sabotai]

Repeats to himself: "Don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls."

[SFL Cat]

Nothing new here that hasn't been done (and done much better) in previous badboy-biker films. No compelling characters. So, yeah...*yawn* The commercials promised more than was delivered.

My opinion, take it or leave it.

[DeToxRox]

As far as SFL goes, I can see where he is coming from, but I think there is some potential there down the line to stick with it for the time being. It's still entertaining for what it is, and there is some decent brutality mixed in.

[Karlifornia]

As far as SFL goes, I can see where he is coming from, but I think there is some potential there down the line to stick with it for the time being. It's still entertaining for what it is, and there is some decent brutality mixed in.

Dude, Always Sunny starts back up September 18th, and I will go to war with you defending that show....I was late to the party..but it is seriously the funniest sit-com I've ever seen, and I'm a huge Seinfeld fan (I realize that Seinfeld invective will turn off some people...to them I say: You people are the scourge of America)

[DeToxRox]

Dude, Always Sunny starts back up September 18th, and I will go to war with you defending that show....I was late to the party..but it is seriously the funniest sit-com I've ever seen, and I'm a huge Seinfeld fan (I realize that Seinfeld invective will turn off some people...to them I say: You people are the scourge of America)

Oh God yes. Season 3 is out soon on DVD, can't fucking wait. DeVito added so much to that show too, I love it.

[DeToxRox]

Three episodes in and honestly I like how the show is playing out. It is a fun hour of TV every week, and I like the fact that these guys are almost like Vic Mackey from the Shield, where they are obviously in the wrong, but still do things that are right.

Plus, speaking of the Shield, Jay Karnes, aka Dutch from the Shield, debuted on the show, and just like on the Shield he is totally creepy but man he fucking rules.

Things seem to be heating up.

[DaddyTorgo]

it's interesting. i tivo it, but i can't say i always watch it right away - but it's not BAD or anything. i also enjoy the fact that they're dirtbags but they do some things that are "good" -- aka they're huge gun-runners, but they also tracked down a rapist who raped a 13 year old girl in the most recent episode because they were like "that kinda shit doesn't go down in our town."

honestly the stuff that bores me the most (to the point i FF through it) is all the rest of it -- the stuff with the junky baby-mama, and Jax's whole like "digging through my dad's stuff and having a personal reflective moment each week" bullshit. The whole Jax internal-struggle is clearly supposed to be the overarching character-arc of the show though, so the fact that i find it trite is kind of worrisome.

[Anthony]

Giada is in this show......?????!??

[DaddyTorgo]

Giada is in this show......?????!??

no sorry my bad. editing. whatever-her-name-is...dunno why that popped into my head.

the GF from the sopranos -- drea de matteo

[bryce]

I watched the pilot, but when it came around to week 2, I consciously skipped it. It just didn't do it for me. I, too, was hoping it would replace The Shield for me. FX had another one like that a year or two ago, Thief, or something like that, but it got canned after about a month, and that was one I WAS on board with, argh.

[DaddyTorgo]

Thief was pretty cool - and it had Andre Braugher so it was doubly-cool

[DeToxRox]

FYI this got picked up for a second season as apparently it's one of FX's highest rated shows.

It's hitting a stride now. Very violent stuff at times, and some good stories. I still hate the Jax/kid stuff. Too slow for my liking, but honestly this is a fun show to DVR and watch when ya' got nothing else going on.

[DeToxRox]

Also, for Shield fans, Jay Karnes, who plays Dutch, is on here as an ATF Agent who is a total whackjob. He has made the show for me.

[DaddyTorgo]

Also, for Shield fans, Jay Karnes, who plays Dutch, is on here as an ATF Agent who is a total whackjob. He has made the show for me.

whoops. how'd that work out for you

he got blown away this week

[DeToxRox]

whoops. how'd that work out for you

he got blown away this week

haha yeah, I knew it, I just didn't wanna spoil it for people who might be curious. That was an awesome scene though.

He basically acted like Dutch hinted at being like at times.

[DeToxRox]

It's been a slow build but tonight was a great episode. Really intense stuff at the end. All I know is the finale should be good, and I am intrigued for next season.

[DaddyTorgo]

i agree detox

[Scoobz0202]

Yea. I've been a fan all season and tonight was just.. Wow.


FX, huh?

[MrBug708]

Great series IMO. Opie is Bertier from Remember the Titans

[DeToxRox]

This show has picked up all kinds of steam. It needed a few weeks to find it's groove but wow has it hit a stride. Too bad the season is over with now, but I cannot wait to see where it goes from here.

[Glengoyne]

I wasn't all that excited early in the season, and missed several episodes throughout. These last four or five weeks have really built into something though. I was hoping for more fireworks last night, but it looks like next season is going to start off with a full head of steam.

[BishopMVP]

I wasn't all that excited early in the season, and missed several episodes throughout. These last four or five weeks have really built into something though. I was hoping for more fireworks last night, but it looks like next season is going to start off with a full head of steam.WTF is Jax thinking?You stand down Opie's wifes killer at gunpoint, fight him, basically let him know you know he killed your best friends wife and then you don't kill him or leave him cuffed there to get arrested?You either play that card or you don't. You don't create mortal enemies out of a stone-cold killer you hang out with every day and then let him keep hanging around. (And clearly Jax will beat him - they're not gonna kill Jax - he's the center of the show, so it's even more annoying, just dragging out how it's done eventually.)

[MrBug708]

I dunno, does he have any concrete proof of it?

[DeToxRox]

WTF is Jax thinking?You stand down Opie's wifes killer at gunpoint, fight him, basically let him know you know he killed your best friends wife and then you don't kill him or leave him cuffed there to get arrested?You either play that card or you don't. You don't create mortal enemies out of a stone-cold killer you hang out with every day and then let him keep hanging around. (And clearly Jax will beat him - they're not gonna kill Jax - he's the center of the show, so it's even more annoying, just dragging out how it's done eventually.)

I feel like he knows but with no proof to show the club he can't do it so he sent a message as if to say "I'm coming, so watch yourself".

First fuck up next year I suspect will result in a body or two.

[BishopMVP]

(SPOILER ALERT S2Ep3)

First couple episodes were good, season opener especially. But I'm not happy with turning Deputy Hale into such a heel. It was much better when he was trying to do his job the right way. People were still rooting for the SoA obviously as the anti-heroes, but at least you were conflicted about Hale just going about his job. Plus it felt out of character.

[DeToxRox]

This show got really good around mid way last season and is just rolling now. I love it.

[Scoobz0202]

I haven't seen the third episode of season two yet, but I thought the second episode was very lackluster. I am still hooked though, because I just reminded myself that season one started off slow and by seasons end I was fucking loving this damn show.

[thesloppy]

Does anybody here besides me do a "jax walk"? Just roll your shoulders forward and kind of dip each shoulder with ultra-conviction, on each step. Chicks dig it. Especially doctors.

[Scoobz0202]

No, but one of my best friends is naming his first born son who is due in a few months Jackson.

Why does that have anything to do with this you may ask?


So he can call him Jax....

I'm not kidding. :D

[Scoobz0202]

Yep.

Same thing, for me, as last season. Starts off slow (but still good), and just gradually picks up steam until this weeks episode where at the end it has me squirming with anticipation for next week.

[DeToxRox]

This show has REALLY hit a stride. Sucks only two eps left in the season, but the finale is 90 min at least.

[mh2365]

fantastic episode last Tuesday night

[thesloppy]

I appear to be in the tiny minority that has just about had it with this show. Could it be a little more rapey?

[mh2365]

yeah they could add Kobe Bryant to the cast

[DaddyTorgo]

holy fuck. hell of an episode this week.

[DataKing]

Been digging this show since it began last year...very cool. Katey Sagal has to be one of the most under-rated actresses out there right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

i wanted some fucking payoff for Opie though. Goddamnit.

[DataKing]

i wanted some fucking payoff for Opie though. Goddamnit.

He's banging a porn star now...isn't that enough? :D

[DaddyTorgo]

He's banging a porn star now...isn't that enough? :D

haha - i liked the tease that we got of her the other episode.

nah...i wanted him and Jax to fuck up Clay & douchebag-guy (forget his name)

[Scoobz0202]

I really liked last nights episode but I do think they took the easy way out on some things. There was a lot of build up where I felt like the end result was a let down with Piney, Opie, and Chibs. At least that is how I felt last night when I intially watched it.

But I do think Opie's storyline is not complete. I had forgotten about Jax and Opie in the bedroom at the clubhouse, and I feel Jax will help Opie get his revenge by the time it is all said and done.

[DaddyTorgo]

I really liked last nights episode but I do think they took the easy way out on some things. There was a lot of build up where I felt like the end result was a let down with Piney, Opie, and Chibs. At least that is how I felt last night when I intially watched it.

But I do think Opie's storyline is not complete. I had forgotten about Jax and Opie in the bedroom at the clubhouse, and I feel Jax will help Opie get his revenge by the time it is all said and done.


I agree though, a lot of "easy way out" it seemed. hopefully some of that comes to a head in the season finale.

i foresee them either getting rid of ATF or the Nazis at the end of the season so that next season will be more about the internal dynamics and repercussions on the Sons and Jax and his old Lady etc. up until a new external threat is introduced either near the end or in the season finale.

That's the thing F/X does so well with these shows (Shield, SoA) - balancing and alternating the internal conflict of the group (Strikeforce, SoA) and those stories versus the external.

[BishopMVP]

I agree though, a lot of "easy way out" it seemed. hopefully some of that comes to a head in the season finale.

i foresee them either getting rid of ATF or the Nazis at the end of the season so that next season will be more about the internal dynamics and repercussions on the Sons and Jax and his old Lady etc. up until a new external threat is introduced either near the end or in the season finale.

That's the thing F/X does so well with these shows (Shield, SoA) - balancing and alternating the internal conflict of the group (Strikeforce, SoA) and those stories versus the external.I thought next week was the season finale, but I guess there are 2 episodes left (including the 90-minute finale). And after all that happened last episode I'm sure some of what look like taking the "easy ways out" will actually be more like a 1-week reprieve before shit goes down. I mean, last season with 2 episodes left Stahl hadn't even set up Opie as the rat and within 2 hours he was set up, the club seemingly took his word for it, then Clay/Tig killed Donna.

Also, while we're obviously rooting against the scar guy from Braveheart/Gladiator being a rat, Clay's promise of protecting his wife/daughter is so laughable it's ballsy. I mean, 2 of the 5 "old ladies" we've seen have been killed (although I guess you killed one), and another (your wife) was gang-raped - all in your town, all in the last 6? months. You're really going to promise to protect a man's wife and daughter in Ireland? :lol:

[DaddyTorgo]

funny - that was exactly my thought about protecting the wife+daughter too bishop

[Scoobz0202]

I actually for some reason thought next week was the finale as well, weird. It was due to that that I thought a lot of the stuff was the easy way out and after realizing there was two more decided Opie's storyline was not finished yet.

[DataKing]

I don't see Opie's storyline getting finished this season, not with the events of the most recent episode. Zobel will be the target of the Sons' undivided attentions for the remainder of this season, methinks.

[DeToxRox]

Wow, one of the best season finales I have ever witnessed. Talk about setting the table for not just next season but the rest of the series. Very Shield like.

[BishopMVP]

Other than the fact they're going after the daughters/kids of their opponents, have theirs protected in a locked-down compound from at least 3 violent gangs (Mayans, Aryans, Irish) that are all currently in Charming, and yet send Gemma and the doctor and the baby out to get supplies with only one person to protect them, agreed.

[DaddyTorgo]

Other than the fact they're going after the daughters/kids of their opponents, have theirs protected in a locked-down compound from at least 3 violent gangs (Mayans, Aryans, Irish) that are all currently in Charming, and yet send Gemma and the doctor and the baby out to get supplies with only one person to protect them, agreed.

read the interview with the head writer/creater. he said that their thinking was that after the events of last episode the whole "lockdown" thing was meant to be lifted, but i guess they had to cut that scene (i think he said that...iirc, or else it just wasn't explained)

[Glengoyne]

Other than the fact they're going after the daughters/kids of their opponents, have theirs protected in a locked-down compound from at least 3 violent gangs (Mayans, Aryans, Irish) that are all currently in Charming, and yet send Gemma and the doctor and the baby out to get supplies with only one person to protect them, agreed.

I don't think they are targetting the kids of their enemies. Gemma and Zoebel's daughter had a more intimate bond than that. About the supply run. Yeah. When I heard that they'd sent out a prospect to watch them, I figured he was likely wearing a red shirt under his leathers. Which was sad, cause I kinda liked the comic relief associated with him. The kidnapping was quite a turn of events, and I'm still not sure why they went home...rather than the clubhouse. So there are some pretty big holes in how they got to Abel's kidnapping.

On the bright side. I'm sure I'll have forgotten this by next season.

[BishopMVP]

I don't think they are targeting the kids of their enemies. Gemma and Zoebel's daughter had a more intimate bond than that.I don't think they were "targeting" in the sense they were trying to kill them but the club had already gone to Zoebel's cigar shop and held his daughter at gunpoint last episode and clearly shown they could get to Henry Rollins kids as necessary.

If DT's report of a missing scene is true it makes more sense, although I'm pretty sure they'd been sending the prospect to watch the old ladies and the old ladies had been making runs with minimal protection even during lockdown.

[timmynausea]

The show does have lots of little holes like that, but I've learned to forgive and forget for the most part.

Two things I thought may happen that didn't:

1. For several weeks after the fire, they never explained (unless I completely missed it) whether Darby or the guy with cut off fingers died in the fire. Obviously the latter made his reappearance. I thought maybe Darby would come back in the finale and help the SoA take out Zobelle.

2. I really thought the Irish guy would kill Tara. After the hospital incident and Gemma fully accepting her into the family, it seemed like her story arc was complete, and it was time for her to go. Once I was bracing for that, it made the Half Sack death feel a little underwhelming.

Still a good finale and a good show. I guess I'm still waiting for one of these shows to kill off main characters and reinvent itself every year as brazenly as Oz did.

[MrBug708]

Has it even been picked up for season 3?

Incredible finish to this season though. Jax and Clay don't know about Gemma yet but Gemma doesn't know about Abel either

[JonInMiddleGA]

Has it even been picked up for season 3?


Was picked up Wednesday morning, right after the show posted its highest rating ever, was the #1 show on cable for the night, and was the most watched show in America for M18-34 and M18-49

Sons of Anarchy Renewed for Third Season (http://www.seattlepi.com/tvguide/412850_tvgif2.html)

[DaddyTorgo]

the picking-up was a formality by all accounts, fX just needed to get their finances lined up to pay for the bumps in pay the actors will get

[DeToxRox]

Yeah. Good to see Sutter signed a two year deal also, basically making it a two year pickup unless the ratings somehow just tanked.

[DaddyTorgo]

BUMPITY

New season starts tomorrow at 10pm on FX

[DataKing]

W00T!!!

[MrBug708]

Pumped!

[DaddyTorgo]

HOLY SHIT!!

Now that's a season premiere!!!

I guess we presume that was the Irishman's second bit of retaliation hmm?

Fucking crazy!!!

[Scoobz0202]

Oh baby...

[DaddyTorgo]

Oh baby...

Seriously!! I thought it was fairly pedestrian up until that last like...2 minutes. That totally blew shit up. Wow.

[DataKing]

Seriously!! I thought it was fairly pedestrian up until that last like...2 minutes. That totally blew shit up. Wow.

Same here...pretty ho hum until the end then...dayummmm!

[MrBug708]

It could have been Zobel, he got away and it seemed pretty amateurish.

I'm guessing the Irishman made it back to Ireland?

[MrBug708]

Dola

Last season had Gemma's rape at the end of the first episode so I kinda expected something amazing

[DaddyTorgo]

It could have been Zobel, he got away and it seemed pretty amateurish.

I'm guessing the Irishman made it back to Ireland?

Nah - it looked to me like the Irishman was still there in the U.S. from the snippet we got of him. Couldn't say for sure though.

Coulda been Zobel I suppose.

[Scoobz0202]

I felt Jax's girl, Tara, had a very strong episode. Hopefully she is this good all season long.

[MrBug708]

Nah - it looked to me like the Irishman was still there in the U.S. from the snippet we got of him. Couldn't say for sure though.

Coulda been Zobel I suppose.

When they scanned over the manhole cover on the ground, it said Belfast, which led me to think they made it to Ireland.

[DaddyTorgo]

When they scanned over the manhole cover on the ground, it said Belfast, which led me to think they made it to Ireland.

Oh wow. I wasn't paying that much attention in that scene - probably was puttering around on the interwebs.

Good catch. Ireland it is for the Irishman.

Which leads me to agree with you that the retaliation was Zobel.

[panerd]

Were we supposed to make out who the shooter was (Irish or Aryan) when Jacks beat the shit out of him or was that just to show how he has become a monster?

Great episode. Loved the end, liked the Ireland angle especially if that means the bikers may end up there for a needed change of scenery, and even think the police chief's brother might be a decent thorn in the side of the gang. The funeral was silly though... a bunch of ex-marines would respect that a special forces guy got killed as a biker gang's lackey? OK.

[MrBug708]

I think you vastly underestimate the importance of brotherhood

[thesloppy]

a bunch of ex-marines would respect that a special forces guy got killed as a biker gang's lackey? OK.

Motrocycle gangs and the armed forces have a connection that goes back a long ways. Lots of the bigger clubs were started by dudes coming back from wars, feeling disenfranchised and out of place, missing the feeling of a 'troop', and perhaps looking for a little more action/violence than 'normal' life. The Hells Angels were possibly named after a military unit, the Bandidos were founded by a marine and uses the marines colors, and the Mongols were founded by hispanic Vietnam vets.

[MrBug708]

Show has been money so far, let's hope that DISH doesnt kill it off

[BishopMVP]

SoA picked up for a 4th season.

Interesting commentary from Sutter on his blog - talking about the slow development this season he mentions having a 7 year plan for the show, and that events this season are integral in it. That being said, I do wish they toned down the Irish accents some - I find myself rewinding more than once an episode.

[DeToxRox]

SoA picked up for a 4th season.

Interesting commentary from Sutter on his blog - talking about the slow development this season he mentions having a 7 year plan for the show, and that events this season are integral in it. That being said, I do wish they toned down the Irish accents some - I find myself rewinding more than once an episode.

Yeah I saw that. Sutter is really arching this in a Shield esque manner. We're going to get closure with Zebel in a later season, much like with Antwan Mitchell, and we'll also get the closure between Jax/Clay like we did Vic/Shane in the final season.

Add in Ope as the sympathetic Lem figure and we have some comparisons going on.

I am eager to see how this year plays out. I sense Tera gets the murder rap since they were clear in the dialogue not to name her when Jax says he just wants his mom and the club protected.

[MrBug708]

That was amazing. Great ending with Opie especially

[Glengoyne]

I missed the first half of the episode when they moved the time slot. Had to love the end, and Opie had to be the one. I'm not sure what to think about the sheriff now, not really a way to recover for him. I'm going to have to see the beginning.

[DaddyTorgo]

staying out of this thread until i get home next tuesday and get a chance to watch it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Eh - I wasn't as much a fan of the episode. Seemed like taking the easy way out by having the whole setup of O'Fallon and handing him over to the ATF being a club-wide thing instead of Jax's thing. Although I think the whole Jax/Clay thing will start to boil over harder next season for sure, based on the stuff at the very end.

Intense though.

[DeToxRox]

Awesome

Exclusive: Sons Of Anarchy Recruits Pulp Film Badass Danny Trejo

Oh, this is a marriage made in a dark, gritty little corner of heaven, folks.

TVLine has learned exclusively that FXs Sons Of Anarchy has booked film vet Danny Trejo ; whose myriad credits include, to name but a few, Machete, From Dusk Till Dawn and The Devils Rejects ; for a multi-episode Season 4 arc.

Trejo will play Romero ;Romeo; Parada, a charismatic and (duh) dangerous former commando for the Mexican military who becomes a new associate of the SONS.

[BishopMVP]

FuckYeahSoA

[StrangeWay]

I love this show! I like that they use so many of the actors from Deadwood in it and it just kicks ass every week.

[DeToxRox]

The former "Baywatch" star will have a guest-starring turn on the upcoming season of the hit biker series "Sons of Anarchy," a representative for the actor confirms to TheWrap. The Hoff's role? He'll be playing Dondo, a former XXX actor who's segued into producing skin flicks.

Hasselhoff, who vacated his judge's chair on "America's Got Talent" early last year, has been keeping busy of late with a reprisal of his role as Dr. William "Snapper" Foster on "The Young and the Restless."

There's also the star-studded, sure-to-be-epic horror film "Piranha 3DD," which is slated for release on November 23 and will see Hasselhoff share the screen with such talents as Gary Busey, Christopher Lloyd and Katrina Bowden.

Which is to say nothing of his appearing in the occasional iced-treat promotional video.

The bad news? An FX spokesperson told TheWrap that, for the time being, Hasselhoff's guest-starring turn is just a one-episode deal. Fingers crossed, people...

News of Hasselhoff's "Sons of Anarchy" stint was first reported by TV Guide.

[StrangeWay]

Saw a preview last night, show returns in September. I cannot wait!

[Carman Bulldog]

Finally getting caught up with this and now waiting for season 3 to hit DVD this week.

I haven't read any of the posts above, but generally speaking, how does Season 3 compare to 1 and 2?

[DeToxRox]

Finally getting caught up with this and now waiting for season 3 to hit DVD this week.

I haven't read any of the posts above, but generally speaking, how does Season 3 compare to 1 and 2?

Weakest of the 3. Still was good but Sutter just got way too ambitious.

[Recoil]

Hour and a half episode tonight to start S4. Can't wait.

[Logan]

So I ended up catching up on Seasons 1 & 2 through Netflix earlier this summer (flew through it in about 2 weeks) and since the S3 DVDs weren't on sale until fairly recently, caught those episodes as FX reaired them late Wednesday nights. Finished S3 last week just in time to watch S4 with the rest of you.

Off to a great start last night.

[Logan]

I can't believe it took me reading Detox's fucking Facebook post to realize why that one agent looked so familiar: Ronnie!

[BYU 14]

Managed to squeeze quite a few interesting storylines into the first episode, looking forward to a strong season, especially how things work out for Jax when the time comes.

[MrBug708]

That might be in my top five favorite episodes in terms of jaw dropping storyline.

[MrBug708]

Terrible :(

[DeToxRox]

Terrible :(

Almost positive he didn't die. You can distinctly hear a limb break.

[DaddyTorgo]

No love for Piney's death? I was really hoping he'd outsmart Clay and fucking finish him...although I knew for storyline purposes that'd make no sense.

[MrBug708]

Sad, but not unexpected

[BYU 14]

Sad, but not unexpected

+1, also happy that the branch broke, I really like Juice.

Now the truly tragic twist, that fucking Fox and Directv can't agree on a deal and this could be the last episode I see, just when things are about to explode.

Big networks and big satellite providers squabbling over money while the viewers get hosed, hopefully they sort it out by the November 1st deadline.

FX, Fox Soccer and Nat Geo are all in my top 10 viewed channels on Directv.

[MrBug708]

It's just a media blitz to get the other to cave

[BYU 14]

It's just a media blitz to get the other to cave

Hope it turns out that way, I can't see either side really wanting the relationship to end. DTV would lose a lot of subscribers since FX puts out some of the best shows out there and Fox because they would be losing over 900 million in broadcast fees for their networks.

I am just sick of them playing the subscribers every time they have a tiff.

[MrBug708]

He's gonna die...by the hand of a son

What end scene

[BYU 14]

Man the powder keg under the club just keeps getting bigger and there are multiple ways for the fuse that ignites it to be lit. Next week will be interesting.

[stevew]

Watching this on Netflix and I'm like 16 episodes in. pretty sure I'm tapping out.


This show could have been good, but I do not believe the writers have the skill to do it.

The cops are from a completely different genre of show. Essentially these cops are dumber than Roscoe and Boss Hogg

Gemma alternates from being the face of evil....to now I'm supposed to empathize with her multiple episode arc of being gang raped? She fucking deserved it...or at least it was an offset for her being fucking horrible.

The white supremacists? Really? This is what passes for writing? These guys are a cliche and a half. They belong in a low budget blacksplotation movie. B

I understand the slow burn dynamics of Clay and Jax. But I don't think these homicidal guys would coexist this long.

The murder plot of Donna....they build her up as some cunt who cock blocks Opie. Then they kill her in mistaken identity. How convenient.

The most horrible writing is Ally Walker's character. We believe the main biker characters exist in "the real world" despite multiple jailbreaks, witness capture, and bounty hunter escape plots. The cops are out of some farce sitcom. Ally Walker's ATF agent is a character that is so over the top that she could only exist in a soap opera or a porno.

[DaddyTorgo]

Man the powder keg under the club just keeps getting bigger and there are multiple ways for the fuse that ignites it to be lit. Next week will be interesting.

Seriously. I'm sure it'll be dragged out even further, but man I can't wait.

[panerd]

Watching this on Netflix and I'm like 16 episodes in. pretty sure I'm tapping out.


This show could have been good, but I do not believe the writers have the skill to do it.

The cops are from a completely different genre of show. Essentially these cops are dumber than Roscoe and Boss Hogg

Gemma alternates from being the face of evil....to now I'm supposed to empathize with her multiple episode arc of being gang raped? She fucking deserved it...or at least it was an offset for her being fucking horrible.

The white supremacists? Really? This is what passes for writing? These guys are a cliche and a half. They belong in a low budget blacksplotation movie. B

I understand the slow burn dynamics of Clay and Jax. But I don't think these homicidal guys would coexist this long.

The murder plot of Donna....they build her up as some cunt who cock blocks Opie. Then they kill her in mistaken identity. How convenient.

The most horrible writing is Ally Walker's character. We believe the main biker characters exist in "the real world" despite multiple jailbreaks, witness capture, and bounty hunter escape plots. The cops are out of some farce sitcom. Ally Walker's ATF agent is a character that is so over the top that she could only exist in a soap opera or a porno.

Well a lot of us are a lot furthur into it and enjoy it. You're entitled to your opinion but I enjoy it as really fun and solid mindless entertainment once a week and from the tone of your post it looks like you were expecting something else. It is a soap opera for men and a quite good one in my opinion.

[BYU 14]

Looked like they were going to stretch things out with Clay, but they managed to squeeze a lot of drama into the last 5 minutes. Looking forward to the finale.

[DaddyTorgo]

Saving this for tomorrow after work because I've been busy with work all night and actually am still working a little.

[MrBug708]

Season three's ending has still been my favorite. I'm curious to see if they can improve these next two weeks

[DaddyTorgo]

Holy shit.

Shit just got fucking real. Whoa.

[BYU 14]

Holy shit.

Shit just got fucking real. Whoa.

Knew you'd like it

[DaddyTorgo]

Didn't look fatal though.

And wow with the whole Otto & Juice things...I was expecting something more like the Stahl-finish.

[MrBug708]

Gonna record but wait to watch SOA

[panerd]

Didn't look fatal though.

And wow with the whole Otto & Juice things...I was expecting something more like the Stahl-finish.

Yeah it seems like it is setting up for the "scorned surgeon" saving Clay's life which creates a moral dilemma for him against the cartel. I assume there is at least another season planned and he is too big a part of the show to be dead. I hope I'm wrong and I really have no complaints with all of the action this season but I think we are going to get let down on this one.

[BYU 14]

Yeah it seems like it is setting up for the "scorned surgeon" saving Clay's life which creates a moral dilemma for him against the cartel. I assume there is at least another season planned and he is too big a part of the show to be dead. I hope I'm wrong and I really have no complaints with all of the action this season but I think we are going to get let down on this one.

I don't know after Gemma's shenagins.......We may be suprised, certainly several different possibilities now.

[BYU 14]

Talk about a major curveball to start the finale....Holy shit!

[DaddyTorgo]

Starting the finale.

That's a crap of a deus ex machina there. Not a fan. We'll see how it goes though.

[MrBug708]

Kind of saw that twist coming. Pretty anti-climatic ending, but nothing will top the Stahl season ender

[DeToxRox]

Awful finale. Literally nothing was answered and we're right back where we started. Sloppy and lazy writing.

[DaddyTorgo]

Awful finale. Literally nothing was answered and we're right back where we started. Sloppy and lazy writing.

Yep. Really made the season a waste when it had so much promise.

Weak.

[BYU 14]

Yep. Really made the season a waste when it had so much promise.

Weak.

Totally agree with you and DTR, the season was so good to this point and even after the twist to start they went nowhere with it and left a bunch of loose ends.

[stevew]

Fast forwarded to some later episodes and I think the quality did improve some. What happened to Otto? I think I missed the last part of the previous ep.

Pretty epic swerve last night. How many more seasons is this show planned for?

[panerd]

Awful finale. Literally nothing was answered and we're right back where we started. Sloppy and lazy writing.

Yeah the full table shot and then Jackson with the picture morphing would have worked better as a series finale than just a season finale. Obviously they aren't going to kill off any of the major stars but still disappointing that we didn't have the black gang shooting up the clubhouse and leaving one of them hanging on for life... guess that will be the season opener.

[Bigsmooth]

Just ripped through seasons 1-3. Season 3 finale was pretty convenient but goddamn that was well written. Amazing ending. Kind of pissed to see Agent Stahl killed but her character definitely had run its course. One of my favorite characters from any show.

So glad I finally got around to watching the show. Hope it doesn't start to fade going into Season 4...

[BYU 14]

Starts tonight!! Very seldom do I get overly excited for TV shows, but season 5 could not get here fast enough.

I know there were a lot of loose ends from last season, but to me that presents opportunity to have an amazing season if they can weave them all together.

The dynamic in the club will be way different and I am intrigued to see where they take it. There will be quite a few new characters, including Chuck Zito joining the cast (liked him in Oz). Hopefully things get off to a great start.

[DaddyTorgo]

CAN'T WAIT!! Been psyched for the last couple days. Think it's 90 minutes tonight too, if I remember my DVR correctly.

Bonus is that the FIFA demo comes out today too...going to be a great night!

[Logan]

I'm at the point where I'm going to enjoy the show for what it is. I'll try very hard not to focus on the eye-rolling stuff.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm at the point where I'm going to enjoy the show for what it is. I'll try very hard not to focus on the eye-rolling stuff.

Yeah - I thought the CIA-stuff and the lack of Clay dying was a total cop-out, so it's moved (after last year really) from "compelling TV" to "interesting man-soap-opera" type show. Good "don't-overanalyze" fun.

[stevew]

Isn't Joel McHale in for an arc this season. That seemed odd(and compelling).

[DaddyTorgo]

Umm...Holy Shit!

[BYU 14]

Umm...Holy Shit!

Things got deep real quick!!

[bhlloy]

Holy shit is right. Shame some of the acting was so weak, but what an episode

[stevew]

Worst gun aim of any show other than the ATeam? Lets hide behind our motorcycle so a guy with a automatic gun can't hit us at point blank range.

[stevew]

I dunno if it's intentional, but Tara keeps getting uglier and uglier each season.

[DaddyTorgo]

I dunno if it's intentional, but Tara keeps getting uglier and uglier each season.

I'm geussing it's intentional.

[Logan]

Yeah, she looks like Gemma.

[BYU 14]

Worst gun aim of any show other than the ATeam? Lets hide behind our motorcycle so a guy with a automatic gun can't hit us at point blank range.

I try to suspend reality for this kind of stuff......Plus did you see the ways rounds bounced off the bikes like they were made of kevlar? :banghead:

[panerd]

I dunno if it's intentional, but Tara keeps getting uglier and uglier each season.

It seems like the show is aiming towards the younger characters becoming the older ones. Jax into his dad, Tara into Jemma, Clay into Piney. Pretty sure she is supposed to look like Jemma.

[panerd]

Umm...Holy Shit!

Refresh my memory on who is missing a foot?

[Logan]

Refresh my memory on who is missing a foot?

One of the new guys they voted in. He stuck that thing on the shoulder of the enormous former prospect.

[panerd]

One of the new guys they voted in. He stuck that thing on the shoulder of the enormous former prospect.

Ah so it wasn't Unser they targeted they are just the thugs doing random home invasions?

EDIT: Seems like a bad item (fake foot) to have when committing random crimes.

[bhlloy]

I doubt it was random although I'm completely speculating. I'm guessing the new guy is a mole, working either with Clay to get back at Gemma or Pope to just mess things up with the club even further.

[Logan]

Pretty sure the cop (Roosevelt) mentioned something about how the previous two invasion victims had ties to the Sons.

[BYU 14]

Yeah he did mention that. I think the new guys may have been sent down to stir things up a bit.

[Logan]

I'm not sure if it's because I just finished watching Dexter S3, but I'm loving Jimmy Smits on this show.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm loving Jimmy Smits on this show.

Agree.

[BishopMVP]

I'm not sure if it's because I just finished watching Dexter S3, but I'm loving Jimmy Smits on this show.+2 - I also like how his character (at least so far) appears to be small-time. The whole CIA/IRA/Cartel stuff only works imo for 1-2 episodes at the beginning and end of a season - it works better when balanced by the Sons having normal interactions with people who don't have international hit men on the payroll the rest of the time.

[BYU 14]

Also liking Smits character. It will be interesting to see how his role develops as the season goes on.

Hopefully they wrap up the CIA/Cartel soon (before the finale) as it just seems really disjointed right now.

The Pope storyline is so much stronger at this point and I really what to know what the 3 newcomers are up to as well, along with Smits of course.

[MrBug708]

So who dies tonight?

[DaddyTorgo]

Really?? Opie??? :(

[stevew]

His character was pointless and had nowhere to go.

[BYU 14]

His character was pointless and had nowhere to go.

I think they could have done some more with him. There was still some unfinished business. :cool:

You know you will lose core characters in shows like this, hate to see him go though.

[MrBug708]

Someone else is going to finish that business though

[BYU 14]

Someone else is going to finish that business though

That is true Opie deserved to be the one though, also can't wait to see what they do to that crooked jailer

[DaddyTorgo]

At least they finally killed a main character after so many damn teases and crazy situations and stuff.

[MrBug708]

That is true Opie deserved to be the one though, also can't wait to see what they do to that crooked jailer

Eh, killing Clay should Jax's thing, not Opie's. Everything Opie should be allowed to do, someone else should do it

[panerd]

Still can't figure out the raid on the brothel. Was that Juice laying on the ground shot? If so why?

[chadritt]

Not Juice, different random guy.

[panerd]

Not Juice, different random guy.

Ah makes more sense. Still don't understand why the raid required shooting somebody but I guess I also didn't understand why their gun battle with sub machine guns and grenades didn't attract any attention from any authorities last season.

So do you guys think Jax really doesn't give a shit about Tig or its part of his next play?

[MrBug708]

I think Jax knows that Tig started most of this problem

[BYU 14]

I think Jax knows that Tig started most of this problem

This and I think he will try and paint Tig as a loose cannon and have him go after Pope. You know Pope just can't skate after the pain he has caused both of them and Tig seems like good fodder.

[Johnny93g]

My friend and I were just talking about Half Sack yesterday, in the why do they leave the show discussion.

TMZ is saying he killed a 81 year old and died falling off the roof of the building!!
http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/27/sons-of-anarchy-actor-johnny-lewis-double-death-los-feliz-los-angeles/

[BYU 14]

My friend and I were just talking about Half Sack yesterday, in the why do they leave the show discussion.

TMZ is saying he killed a 81 year old and died falling off the roof of the building!!
'Sons of Anarchy' Actor Johnny Lewis Dies -- Suspect in Bizarre L.A. Double Death | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/27/sons-of-anarchy-actor-johnny-lewis-double-death-los-feliz-los-angeles/)

He came up in a discussion with my wife last night as well when we were talking about the last character of note from the Sons to be killed before Opie. Very bizarre story.

[Logan]

spoiler from this week's episode:

Best cameo ever?

[panerd]

spoiler from this week's episode:

Best cameo ever?

Yes. Especially Tig's reaction.

[BYU 14]

Yes. Especially Tig's reaction.

Tig is a mess :D

[BYU 14]

Some deep shit tonight

From the teaser for next week looks like Wayne is the next to go. Jax should have killed Clay when he had the chance.

Also curious to see how far Tara will go to get Otto to recant

[bhlloy]

I'm starting to waver on this show a tiny bit... it jumped the shark pretty bad at the end of last season as may people have noted, and it's becoming more soap like by the episode.

Of course it was never realistic in the first place (how many murders has the club committed now?) but it seems to be straying into drama and shock for the sake of it and less on the solid storytelling. Just my two cents.

[BYU 14]

I'm starting to waver on this show a tiny bit... it jumped the shark pretty bad at the end of last season as may people have noted, and it's becoming more soap like by the episode.

Of course it was never realistic in the first place (how many murders has the club committed now?) but it seems to be straying into drama and shock for the sake of it and less on the solid storytelling. Just my two cents.

I agree to a point and have definitely suspended any sense of reality and it was definitely heavy on shock tonight. Still enjoying it, but I really want to see how/if they can tie all this together neatly this season.

[stevew]

spoiler from this week's episode:

Best cameo ever?

Who is the tranny? I'm not remembering her.

[stevew]

what the fuck was that suicide

[stevew]

Okay-
Way too far of a stretch that she could not only get into prison, that she could talk to a witness in a case featuring her husband.

Fuckin clay.

[BYU 14]

Okay-
Way too far of a stretch that she could not only get into prison, that she could talk to a witness in a case featuring her husband.


Pope?

[MrBug708]

Well..

[DaddyTorgo]

watching on DVR...not done yet

[panerd]

Don't know if we are supposed to think something happened to Abel or Jemma or if it is going to end up being nothing. Loved the cameo by Joel McHale though, wonder if he will show his car chase on The Soup?

[DaddyTorgo]

Nuts all around at the very end.

[bhlloy]

meh... more storylines! more drama! feels like a ratings grab to me and I'm rapidly becoming less and less interested

[BYU 14]

Yeah, they have a lot of irons in the fire, but I did like the way they handled

The thing with Wayne, thought he was dead after the teaser last week, but Clay swerved it nicely

[stevew]

this is easily the worst show I watch on a consistent basis

[DaddyTorgo]

this is easily the worst show I watch on a consistent basis

No doubt it's a male soap-opera. but it's fun. we deserve our soap operas too.

[Bigsmooth]

So are we supposed to think that Jemma tried to drive into the truck on purpose? Like a suicide thing? Didn't look like she was nodding off. Bizarre.

[DaddyTorgo]

So are we supposed to think that Jemma tried to drive into the truck on purpose? Like a suicide thing? Didn't look like she was nodding off. Bizarre.

Yeah - I was curious about that.

[MrBug708]

I thought she looked exhausted. Im surprised anyone thought otherwise?

[panerd]

From watching the show I think I have a rudimentary understanding of the layout of Charming. It seems like the clubhouse is just down the street from both Jemma’s house and Jax’s house in most epiosodes. Whenever the route requires them to go on a back road or a highway (that for some reason contains a giant truck) you should know something bad is going to happen.

I wonder how close her crash was to Jax and Tig's machine gun shootout?

[stevew]

yeah, it just looked like she fell asleep.

Once again kevlar motorcycles block bullets from mac-10 barrages.

[stevew]

dola-
Not even close to enough Smits right now. He's fucking awesome.

[Johnny93g]

So are we supposed to think that Jemma tried to drive into the truck on purpose? Like a suicide thing? Didn't look like she was nodding off. Bizarre.

I don't know where you got that from. She was clearly dozing off. Partly tired, partly from Unser's medicine. It looks like it just hit her hard there. If she was gonna off herself, she wouldn't have her grand children in the back seat.

[bhlloy]

yeah, it just looked like she fell asleep.

Once again kevlar motorcycles block bullets from mac-10 barrages.

Not only that but somebody can rake automatic fire across your body from five feet away while you are actually riding a motorcycle, and the motorcycle's forcefield will protect you from being hit at all. Drama!

[Bigsmooth]

I don't know where you got that from. She was clearly dozing off. Partly tired, partly from Unser's medicine. It looks like it just hit her hard there. If she was gonna off herself, she wouldn't have her grand children in the back seat.

Haha....yeah not sure what I was thinking. Although if you watch the scene again, her eyes were not even close to being closed or even heavy blinking. Anyway, I just want her to die so bad.

[Johnny93g]

Haha....yeah not sure what I was thinking. Although if you watch the scene again, her eyes were not even close to being closed or even heavy blinking. Anyway, I just want her to die so bad.

Am I in the minority in that I don't really have a problem with her character? My brother stopped watching the show because he couldn't stand her.

Gemma really doesn't bother me that way:confused:

[stevew]

Def a bottle type episode this week. Surely Chibs isn't actually dead I'd hope.

[MrBug708]

I see they are also back to messing with Juice

[stevew]

My DVR cut off just as Richmond Dunbar was opening the van. Was that the end?

[MrBug708]

Richmond saying what's the point of a dead guy. Jax also tells him he kind of has the rat figured out and narrows it down to the correct guy. The ending scene is Jemma going back to Clay's house and the "rat" heads home with Jax following him

[BYU 14]

My DVR cut off just as Richmond Dunbar was opening the van. Was that the end?

The added time to this weeks episode, 90 minutes next week :)

[BYU 14]

I see they are also back to messing with Juice

He is in some hot water

[bhlloy]

I don't think Juice is going down that easily, I'd be disappointed if they just killed off a main character like that. If I had to guess, they set up the scene where Frankie ratted out Clay to give Juice an out with Jax and that's how he's going to get proof

[chadritt]

Im a little confused, is there anyone in the gang who DOESNT know Clay deserves to die? Why are they so hung up on proof considering how many things they know hes done against the club through the years?

[MrBug708]

Killing a member of the Sons?

[stevew]

I don't read any of the fan boards but surely other people complain about the self indulgent idiocy that is any scene featuring Otto.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't read any of the fan boards but surely other people complain about the self indulgent idiocy that is any scene featuring Otto.

Seriously. That was so blatantly obvious that he was going to kill someone with the crucifix from the second he mentioned it too.

[bhlloy]

So Tara is smart enough to be this hugely respected doctor who is wanted by some of the best hospitals in America but she's stupid enough to leave Otto alone with a weapon because he told her he has a sad. Riiight.

[BYU 14]

So Tara is smart enough to be this hugely respected doctor who is wanted by some of the best hospitals in America but she's stupid enough to leave Otto alone with a weapon because he told her he has a sad. Riiight.

Almost as crazy as masturbating to him :)

[stevew]

way too much shit going on, and the fact that they've run 3(or 4?) consecutive 90 minute episodes is just silly.

This shit needs an editor so fucking bad...love the turn of the smits character though. Figuring he bites it next week, along with Tig.

If they even pull some typical bait and switch and then kill Pope type stuff...well, they probably will since it's SoA and it's obsessed with massive logic gaps and cheese.

[BYU 14]

.
If they even pull some typical bait and switch and then kill Pope type stuff...well, they probably will since it's SoA and it's obsessed with massive logic gaps and cheese.

This was the exact thought I had when I saw the preview for the finale. Agreed, they are cramming way too much into this season. With at least 2 more seasons already signed for the could have focused this season on the Clay / Jax thing, kept Opie alive and had cameos by Pope with Tigs daughter getting killed in one of the final two episodes, then made Pope a focus next season.

[panerd]

Yeah it appears that Clay will have his own faction with Tig and possibly Juice and Bobby next season. I was pretty sure they wouldn't kill off the show's biggest name (at least when it first started) but who knows?

In the "I know it's TV but it's still absurd" quote of the week. Tara mentioning to her supervisor about Jax having life insurance. How quickly would an insurance agent get shitcanned if he underwrote a life insurance policy for a multiple ex-con leader of a biker gang who is routinely held hostage by the IRA and rival drug gangs and shot at and driven off the road almost daily? What is the monthly premium on that one?

[stevew]

Well, that was all way too convenient. Can we just kill Otto already(and maybe take Sutter with him).

[BYU 14]

Well, that was all way too convenient. Can we just kill Otto already(and maybe take Sutter with him).

At least he can't talk now :)

[Johnny93g]

Well, that was all way too convenient. Can we just kill Otto already(and maybe take Sutter with him).

Hated that, and the Jax plan to get Pope, well, that wasn't really a plan. I expected something more then hide a gun in your bike and start shooting everyone before they figure out where the bullets are coming from.

You hit the nail on the head. Convenient. Very enjoyable season again, but what is now a pattern, the finale's seem to suck.

[DaddyTorgo]

I did think for a second that they might actually kill Tig. But yeah...all way to incredibly convenient.

Blah.

[MrBug708]

Finally caught up. Bobby was a terrible character this season. Is there a single shred of club business that jax didn't wrap up? Obviously I'm considering tara's problems more of a 'personal' thing, but even then Bobby stepped down before he knew Tara was arrested. Bobby's odd conflicts with morality seem to conflict with the line of business he's in. for cutting ties with the irish, the cartel, and getting their pope problem taken care of, remarkably few people died. jax gave up clay? boo freaking hoo.

[stevew]

How many people did Jax kill this year? Had to be >10.

[Logan]

Finally caught up. Bobby was a terrible character this season. Is there a single shred of club business that jax didn't wrap up? Obviously I'm considering tara's problems more of a 'personal' thing, but even then Bobby stepped down before he knew Tara was arrested. Bobby's odd conflicts with morality seem to conflict with the line of business he's in. for cutting ties with the irish, the cartel, and getting their pope problem taken care of, remarkably few people died. jax gave up clay? boo freaking hoo.

Pretty solid synopsis. Everything with Bobby seemed like it was done without considering what was going on in the rest of the episodes.

[cartman]

I hadn't seen a single episode of SoA before about a month ago. Goes back to my irrational fear of Ron Perlman. I simply can't watch anything he is in. I have this fear that I will wake up with him hovering over me in my bed if I watch one of his shows. His features are simply not natural.

So I proceeded to get caught up via marathon sessions on Netflix for seasons 1-4 and downloading Season 5 via Pirate Bay. This is a great show. Sure, there are times you have to suspend reality, but that is a price you have to pay for hourly dramas.

For season 6, who is it that ratted on Tara? Gemma, Clay, or the new wildcard of the forcibly retired US Marshall?

[panerd]

I hadn't seen a single episode of SoA before about a month ago. Goes back to my irrational fear of Ron Perlman. I simply can't watch anything he is in. I have this fear that I will wake up with him hovering over me in my bed if I watch one of his shows. His features are simply not natural.

So I proceeded to get caught up via marathon sessions on Netflix for seasons 1-4 and downloading Season 5 via Pirate Bay. This is a great show. Sure, there are times you have to suspend reality, but that is a price you have to pay for hourly dramas.

For season 6, who is it that ratted on Tara? Gemma, Clay, or the new wildcard of the forcibly retired US Marshall?

Yes this definitely is a great show and much like Another great FX show The Shield it helps a lot to just enjoy and not go too deep into the murder rate of Charming etc...


My guess we are supposed to believe it was Gemma or Clay but ultimately it will be a weak payoff of the Grounded for Life guy.

[MrBug708]

Well...Kurt Sutter knows how to shock everyone

[BYU 14]

For season 6, who is it that ratted on Tara? Gemma, Clay, or the new wildcard of the forcibly retired US Marshall?

We got the answer to that last night.

No shocker that Clay folds before Tara.

[DaddyTorgo]

-The Persians bit was just gratuitous
-Guess we're seeing real early how they'll get to the US Marshall guy
-Didn't take Clay long to fold
-Not sure I "buy" Tara's actions at the end of the episode. For someone so concerned with her kids it seems out of place
-The Madam isn't hard on the eyes - nor was that girl in pink in her house
-Was trying to put things together with the kid all episode long. Had read something about the shocking part, but for some reason it didn't connect with me until it happened

[Logan]

Kim Dickens (the new Madam) looked awesome.

Everything else was typical Sons crap.

[BYU 14]

Yeah that Kid thing was bugging me the entire show, not quite sure where they go with it now, unless I am really missing something.

Was wondering where I had seen Kim Dickens before, then it hit me today....Deadwood!

[cartman]

Yeah that Kid thing was bugging me the entire show, not quite sure where they go with it now, unless I am really missing something.


My first thought was that the kid was going to be like the girl from the first seasons that randomly appeared at different times and freaked out Gemma.

My guess is that the gun used somehow gets traced back to SAMCRO. Plus the kid's mom was tied to Dave Navarro, who is in Jimmy Smit's crew.

[Logan]

My first thought was that the kid was going to be like the girl from the first seasons that randomly appeared at different times and freaked out Gemma.

My guess is that the gun used somehow gets traced back to SAMCRO. Plus the kid's mom was tied to Dave Navarro, who is in Jimmy Smit's crew.

In the "previously on", I'm pretty sure they showed Jax handing that very gun to Dave Navarro's character last season.

[DaddyTorgo]

In the "previously on", I'm pretty sure they showed Jax handing that very gun to Dave Navarro's character last season.

Yeah they did

[DaddyTorgo]

Kim Dickens (the new Madam) looked awesome.

Everything else was typical Sons crap.

I need to see more of her to be sure ;) .

[Logan]

In addition to Deadwood, she was in Treme, Lost, The Blind Side, Thank You For Smoking, and Friday Night Lights.

[BYU 14]

In the "previously on", I'm pretty sure they showed Jax handing that very gun to Dave Navarro's character last season.

Yeah they did

Totally missed that, now makes sense. Could make a nice poetic justice angle for framing Clay if it wraps back around.

[chadritt]

They also said exactly how it comes up again in the "next on". Its a SAMCRO gun so that might cause friction with the town....even though historically we americans haven't exactly gone after the ones who supplied the guns for school shootings....i don't like this plot line.

[Logan]

They also said exactly how it comes up again in the "next on". Its a SAMCRO gun so that might cause friction with the town....even though historically we americans haven't exactly gone after the ones who supplied the guns for school shootings....i don't like this plot line.

The spoiler text below is a Sepinwall quote from his recent review about the above spoiler, and discusses the general theme over the next couple episodes, not anything extremely specific.

That said, I’ve seen the next two episodes, and without going into too much detail about the plot, the shooting is treated less as a world-shaking event that makes Jax — or any of the main characters — question their priorities, but as one more logistical headache for the club to solve. Crisis A leads to Problem B exacerbated by Antagonist C and Untrustworthy Ally D, which leads to… pretty much everything that “Sons” has been doing for the last five seasons.

Taking the easy way out, unfortunately.

[chadritt]

Sounds about right. I like the show well enough but I watched last night and instantly went "they're not going to handle this well".

[cartman]

The retired fed slipped up again.

[DaddyTorgo]

Ummm...HOLY SHIT

[MrBug708]

Hooked on this season...pretty crazy

[cartman]

Hooked on this season...pretty crazy

I'd missed the past few episodes, so I got caught up last night before watching the latest one. Yep, this has been an entertaining season so far.

[cartman]

Finally saw this week's episode. I bet Tig and the tranny get their own spin-off show after SoA's run is done. :D

[BYU 14]

Finally saw this week's episode. I bet Tig and the tranny get their own spin-off show after SoA's run is done. :D

Love Tigs subtle interactions with heshe. His facial expression was priceless when he first saw her.

Coggin's is just a helluva an actor.

[BYU 14]

And this season has started off really strong, I hope they can maintain this pace, every episode has been top notch.

[cartman]

Wow, didn't expect Gemma to lay it all out there like that.

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow, didn't expect Gemma to lay it all out there like that.

Jeezus. And now Nero can tell Jax, because you know at some point in this series we have to get the payoff of THAT confrontation.

[DaddyTorgo]

So the homeless woman is the lady who supposedly died in the accident where JT died. Interesting.

I have a theory based on that.

JT's not dead. Either he faked his own death (I think unlikely), or he was an undercover federal agent who for whatever reason couldn't build a case against the club, so they "faked his death" to pull him out when it got too hot, and he's living in witness protection somewhere, and Jax will get his immunity and go off with Tara and live happily ever after in witness protection with his daddy and Tara and the boys.

I hope I'm wrong about the final ending of things, but I think I'm right about the first sentence in my spoiler. It makes sense.

[DaddyTorgo]

Nothing yet?

I'm disappointed in you guys.

[cartman]

Had to catch up from missing last week's episode, just got done watching this week's.

All I can say is WOW, they packed a lot into this episode

MAJOR SPOILER:
Thought they might have made Clay suffer a bit more, but what a way to take him out!

[BYU 14]

Just watched this weeks episode, wow!! The final two could be pretty crazy, hopefully they live up to the build up.

[panerd]

So what are your thoughts on Tara? It seems like she might actually understand some of the actions of the club and obviously with another season next year (unless its going to be from a prison again) she probably won't end up ratting on the club. Will it be because of a change of heart or will she be intimidated/killed? I am thinking change of heart.

[Logan]

Change of heart, because this show loves spinning its wheels.

[MrBug708]

Based on previews, the Mayans are back so there will be that element back involved too

[BYU 14]

I think change of heart as well, or they get leverage on the DA. Trying to figure out how the Mayan's will play into everything though.