NFL Playoff Round I Thread

[Thomkal]

well that was about a good a start as the Cards could hope for.

[Cringer]

maybe the INTs at piss poor times wasn't really a Favre thing, maybe it's just a Packer QB thing. Wonderful start, I'm not throwing in the towel yet though. I had hopes this would be the best game of the week even if not a Packers win. Go Pack Go

[Thomkal]

oooh deja vu to the Pats game.

[Cringer]

holy fucking shit. I am not happy.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Doucet gives the Cards an Early 14-0 lead? WTF?

[Cringer]

we are using the aggregate system right? What a disaster so far.

[Thomkal]

Boy Cards getting lucky with their turnovers

[MrDNA]

Can there please be at least ONE interesting game this weekend?!?!

[Fonzie]

Why didn't the Packers challenge that fumble?

[Fonzie]

dola-

I guess because they knew another one was coming.

[Thomkal]

ugh well those turnovers were bound to catch up to them. That would have been game over probably if they had scored too. :(

[BrianD]

Let's hope this recovery does more for the Packers than the punt muff did for the Patriots.

[Thomkal]

yeah I wondered why they didn't challenge it either, guess it doesn't matter now

[Fonzie]

Three sacks already. Sheesh.

[Fonzie]

Well, if they don't get a TD here they won't get one period.

[ColtCrazy]

Three sacks already. Sheesh.

Yeah, they look like the early season Pack.

[Thomkal]

Three sacks already. Sheesh.

It's pretty amazing how good the Cards defensive line has gotten in just the past couple years.

[Fonzie]

Well, it's a start at least.

[BrianD]

The Packer players still seem to have life in them. I don't know if they can come back, but they haven't given up yet.

[Cringer]

hope shines, oh how I needed you right now sweet hope.

[LloydLungs]

Can somebody please explain to me the goal-line play where there's a big pile-up and the referees come storming in from the sides, unpack the pile a bit, and THEN signal touchdown? Didn't the play end 10 seconds ago? What difference does it make where the ball is when they finally arrive at the pile??

[BrianD]

I think the assumption is that the QB can't really move in that pile, so the ball is spotted at the normal carrying position. It is pretty inexact, but none of the refs could see the ball initially anyway.

[Thomkal]

Can somebody please explain to me the goal-line play where there's a big pile-up and the referees come storming in from the sides, unpack the pile a bit, and THEN signal touchdown? Didn't the play end 10 seconds ago? What difference does it make where the ball is when they finally arrive at the pile??

they have to make sure who has possession of the ball.

[LloydLungs]

Maybe, but I'm thinking they just like it when everyone's looking at them and they're milking it for a few seconds.

[Tekneek]

They had this retarded part ith Jared Fogle, where he was standing behind a table with two Subway sandwiches on it.

I totally hope that guy has some sort of personality for anyone who has to interact with him in real life. On TV, he is a disaster. He has really made a lot out of that Subway diet scam.

[Tekneek]

Maybe, but I'm thinking they just like it when everyone's looking at them and they're milking it for a few seconds.

Yeah. They run in blowing whistles and waving their hands over their heads. They get to be the stars of the show. The most important guys on the field. All eyes on them.

[Fonzie]

Good lord. Three missed tackles on that TD.

[Thomkal]

woohoo! Never ever discount Kurt Warner in a playoff game.

[Thomkal]

I totally hope that guy has some sort of personality for anyone who has to interact with him in real life. On TV, he is a disaster. He has really made a lot out of that Subway diet scam.

Well he just got engaged in November, so he must have some personality. :)

[kingfc22]

Can there please be at least ONE interesting game this weekend?!?!

Nope. At least I have been able to get a lot if things done around the house with all these snoozers.

[Thomkal]

man the Packers get lucky that really would have been game over.

[Fonzie]

I would humbly suggest that, for their own good, the Packers stop fumbling the ball.

[Tekneek]

Well he just got engaged in November, so he must have some personality. :)

Good for him. I'm continually amazed at how much he has got out of that Subway diet thing. I never would have thought, 10 or so years ago, that he would still be pimping Subway sandwiches on TV today.

[Cringer]

this is the crap team from the beginning of the season, even worse in ways. They returned from some time off just in time for the playoffs. Sighhhhhhh

[gstelmack]

Well he just got engaged in November, so he must have some personality. :)

Or a crapload of money...

[Thomkal]

Or a crapload of money...

that probably helped, she's a school teacher :)

[Fonzie]

this is the crap team from the beginning of the season, even worse in ways. They returned from some time off just in time for the playoffs. Sighhhhhhh

Yes indeed. The Cardinals are certainly playing well, but the Packers are really making things easy for them.

[Young Drachma]

Well he just got engaged in November, so he must have some personality. :)

Good for him. I'm continually amazed at how much he has got out of that Subway diet thing. I never would have thought, 10 or so years ago, that he would still be pimping Subway sandwiches on TV today.

He was married before the Subway deal. Apparently his father is a doctor and hooked him up with one of the nurses at his practice. But they got divorced and she got a six-figure deal out of that. At least, that's according to the trashpress (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jared_subway_wife_divorce/celebrity/64516) (tm)

[Thomkal]

Please please cards defense stay strong after the half.

[Cringer]

Please please cards defense fall apart after the half.

fixed. thanks

[ColtCrazy]

Yep, Jared's a big Colt fan. He was at the urinal next to me once. That's the best celeb story I got... :(

[ISiddiqui]

woohoo! Never ever discount Kurt Warner in a playoff game.

This.

He's always a joy to watch in the playoffs.

[Drake]

Yup. There are reasons to knock Warner as a QB, but "not showing up for a playoff game" doesn't ever seem to be one of them.

[ColtCrazy]

Warner is something else.

Who else thinks that either NFC road team could win next week, but the AFC road teams should be done?

It's not unrealistic to think Dallas could host Arizona in the NFC Championship game. Jerry Jones might have a coronary.

[Eaglesfan27]

Amazing catch.

[ColtCrazy]

Amazing catch.

Yeah, unreal control.

[ColtCrazy]

dola...great call

[jbergey22]

Warner is something else.

Who else thinks that either NFC road team could win next week, but the AFC road teams should be done?

It's not unrealistic to think Dallas could host Arizona in the NFC Championship game. Jerry Jones might have a coronary.

Colts are in for a tougher game than youd like to think.

[sabotai]

That's how you execute an onside kick. A lot of times, that ball comes down 7 yards down the field and puts the kicking team in a tough spot. The ball was perfectly kicked.

[jbergey22]

Wow these teams are playing some offense. I dont think either team can stop each other.

[mauchow]

Now we have a ball game.

[ColtCrazy]

Colts are in for a tougher game than youd like to think.

Oh, there's no denying that. The Ravens always play the Colts tough, but for whatever reason, Manning makes just enough plays against them. The Ravens will need a more aggressive offense to win next week. I don't see the Colts spotting them 20+ points.

Flacco will be the key.

[ISiddiqui]

Wow, way to go Aaron Rodgers.

[Thomkal]

Please please cards defense stay strong after the half.

Sadly the Mr. Hyde Cardinals defense came out of the locker room. :mad:

[Danny]

Jets should be tough to beat as well with their defense and running game. I think we'll see better games next week than this week.

[jbergey22]

Oh, there's no denying that. The Ravens always play the Colts tough, but for whatever reason, Manning makes just enough plays against them. The Ravens will need a more aggressive offense to win next week. I don't see the Colts spotting them 20+ points.

Flacco will be the key.


You are right though. The NFC seems like potentially any team can win right now where as the AFC is down to 2 to major SB contenders.

I still think them dome stadiums are a bigger home field advantage than outdoor stadiums that is why I still think the Saints and Vikings are looking in good shape.

[mauchow]

These teams are either making really good hits or absolutely horrid tackling. Where is the all around good tackling? Oh, yeah, there isn't good tackling in the NFL anymore.

[ColtCrazy]

Poof goes the Packer momentum

[Fonzie]

#2 defense my ass.

[BrianD]

I think momentum belongs to whomever is on offense.

[Fonzie]

Horrid roughing the passer call. Horrid.

[Eaglesfan27]

Another amazing catch.

[Thomkal]

woohoo! Cards gotta stop having these quick scores though, take some time off the clock please, lol. Defense is really going to be worn out now.

[Fonzie]

Wow. Replays show Cards should've been called for holding, instead Jenkins gets called for a BS roughing the passer. Inexcusable officiating.

[rowech]

Another amazing catch.

Am I the only one that isn't sure it was a catch?

[mauchow]

Should have been offensive pass interference and roughing the passer thus negating the play and a replay.. which the Cards would have scored again. But how do you miss Fitzgerald pushing over the defender? lol

[Thomkal]

Horrid roughing the passer call. Horrid.

Yeah that was pretty awful

[BrianD]

I didn't think the roughing call was that bad. If you are a ref and you see a defender pull a QB down by the facemask, you have to throw the flag.

[mauchow]

Hits to the head will always be called.

[ColtCrazy]

Do you just feel that the Cardinals aren't safe, even at 38?

[mauchow]

First to 50 wins?

[Crapshoot]

This is like the Rams circa 99 again.

[ColtCrazy]

First to 50 wins?

:D Whatever the score, it's good to finally have an interesting game.

[mauchow]

Good tackling once again.....................

Touchdown Packers because of it. LMAO

[BrianD]

CBs are looking really awful today. They aren't getting to the ball and they aren't putting themselves in positions to make a tackle. Seems like way more yardage after the catch than normal for both teams.

[ColtCrazy]

4th and 5, and you give up a TD. Hell, 50 may not be enough. I <3 this game.

[Thomkal]

well that was pretty pathetic to give that up on a 4th and 5 Cardinals

[Eaglesfan27]

:D Whatever the score, it's good to finally have an interesting game.

Agreed. Desperately wanted at least 1 good game today.

[kingfc22]

When is GB's defense going to make a stop. Yikes

[ColtCrazy]

18 for 20, 236 yards and 4 TD???? What a game by Warner.

[mauchow]

Why are they running the ball?

[ColtCrazy]

Shouldn't have posted his stats, I jinxed him...got a little greedy trying to get Fitz.

[Mustang]

Holy Shit a punt.

[BrianD]

Why are they running the ball?

Thomkal did ask them to try to take some time off the clock.

[ColtCrazy]

Why are they running the ball?

Exactly, just have Rodgers and Warner shoot it out. Who wants to see a run. Saw enough of that for a lifetime in the Ravens game. :)

[Fonzie]

Uh oh. Packers can't afford to lose Clifton.

[Fonzie]

Wow. What a game.

[mauchow]

I have never laughed so much in a football game before. The secondary's for both teams have been unbelievably bad in every regard. Horrible coverage and even worse tackling.

[ColtCrazy]

Amazing. We need one of those Buffalo Wild Wings commercials where they get the ref to keep the game going.

[ColtCrazy]

Hightower with the ballet move for the 1st. haha.

[Eaglesfan27]

At this rate, the game could feature over 1,000 yards of offense.

[ColtCrazy]

At this rate, the game could feature over 1,000 yards of offense.

827 so far (based on NFL feed)

[ColtCrazy]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

That is all.

[jbergey22]

Is anyone better than Kurt Warner when he is on? Too bad he throws up a dud every three games it seems.

[jbergey22]

Cards left too much time on the clock.

[kingfc22]

If Green Bay scores on this upcoming drive, they should go for 2 because they are not going to win in OT if Arizona gets the ball first.

[BrianD]

This is setting up for a late Packer TD and a 2-point converstion to decide the game.

[Eaglesfan27]

Do you think they will really risk going for 2?

[Crapshoot]

I dunno - I think the Cards will get the last shot. Which in this game, probably means they will win. :D

[Thomkal]

ya know I wouldn't have minded if this game had turned into a blowout like the others after the Cards led 17-0....:) Sadly I've seen the Cards defense just fall apart too many times this season to think it would happen.

[Thomkal]

Thomkal did ask them to try to take some time off the clock.

It was nice of them to listen to me too :)

[jbergey22]

I wonder if the Packers lose this game if it means Aaron Rodgers is not clutch?

[ColtCrazy]

The way it's going, the Packers are liable to score with a minute or two left. I can see this coming down to a Rackers field goal. The Pack need to score, but if they get in range, they need to milk a little clock.

Wow.

[BrianD]

I think they have to go for 2. Playing on the road knowing that the OT coin flip decides the game...I think they want to control what they can.

[Thomkal]

God willo you just bench Adams already, god he sucks

[Danny]

What happen to the Packers defense? It was pretty solid all year.

#2 ranked defense in the NFL during the year.

[kingfc22]

Damn what a throw and catch. WOW!

[ColtCrazy]

If this goes to OT, the first team with the ball will probably win. Maybe then the league will change the OT rules.

It's tough to think the losing QB is going to have some amazing stats.

[Crapshoot]

Why is Adams playing?

[ColtCrazy]

Nice deflection by Wilson, going against the grain.

[Senator]

One thing I don't understand is the need for instant gratification when watching a football game.

During the college National Championship poster after poster in the first half was writing, "it's over" "ballgame" "I am shutting it off!"

Same kind of attitude here. Have people lost the ability to watch a game to its conclusion and see how it turns out? All this early, "told u they sucked yo" stuff is really odd.

[Mustang]

If this goes to OT, the first team with the ball will probably win. Maybe then the league will change the OT rules.

It's tough to think the losing QB is going to have some amazing stats.

If I'm McCarthy and you score with <15 seconds left, I'd go for 2. If he doesn't make it, he is killed in the media, but based on how the game is going...

[BrianD]

One thing I don't understand is the need for instant gratification when watching a football game.

During the college National Championship poster after poster in the first half was writing, "it's over" "ballgame" "I am shutting it off!"

Same kind of attitude here. Have people lost the ability to watch a game to its conclusion and see how it turns out? All this early, "told u they sucked yo" stuff is really odd.

You can't be "right" if you don't make a bold statement early. It is sort of the slightly less lame version of the "first" posts.

[Thomkal]

unbelievable

[Eaglesfan27]

Plenty of time for Arizona to score again.

[ColtCrazy]

One thing I don't understand is the need for instant gratification when watching a football game.

During the college National Championship poster after poster in the first half was writing, "it's over" "ballgame" "I am shutting it off!"

Same kind of attitude here. Have people lost the ability to watch a game to its conclusion and see how it turns out? All this early, "told u they sucked yo" stuff is really odd.

That, sadly, has become part of the football culture. I was angry when the Colts fans booed when they took out the starters against the Jets.

And look at the Pats game today. They were booing in the first quarter, then got behind them when they scored, then booed again later.

Patience is a lost art.

[kingfc22]

Too much time left

[ColtCrazy]

1:52 for a hot Warner. Way too much time.

[Mustang]

Plenty of time for Arizona to score again.

And for Green Bay to score too. And maybe time for Arizona to try a game winning FB

[BrianD]

I don't think Warner has made a mistake yet...now would be a good time for one.

[ColtCrazy]

QBs now a combined 720 yards and 9 TDs. lol

[Crapshoot]

This is shaping up to be a hell of a 1:52.

[Crapshoot]

PS, I'm rooting for the Cardinals - just for the hell of it. Rest of you lot?

[Crapshoot]

WTF? Did they just waste a timeout?

[Thomkal]

PS, I'm rooting for the Cardinals - just for the hell of it. Rest of you lot?

Cardinals of course :D

[Groundhog]

Can't believe I woke up early to catch the crappy Pats-Ravens game and had to work while this shootout is going down. :(

[kingfc22]

Ok. Is it time to let the Cards score so you get the ball back?

[kingfc22]

Ok - Too late for that now.

[Thomkal]

C'mon Kurt, one more time!

[Young Drachma]

Entertaining stuff.

[RainMaker]

Really bad timeout by the Cardinals. Should have ran it down or made Green Bay use one.

[kingfc22]

Ridiculous.

[ColtCrazy]

I kind of like both teams, but when things are even...I can't go against Warner, so the Cardinals by a bit. I love seeing Warner in a zone.

[Danny]

They needed to wait a little bit before calling the timeout.

[Thomkal]

sigh

[MrDNA]

WIDE LEFT!

[Eaglesfan27]

Wow.

[BrianD]

Holy crap!

[kingfc22]

CHOKE!

[Young Drachma]

Nice camera angle, shows that 34 yards ain't exactly a chip shot.

And he misses...bah.

[Crapshoot]

HOLY SHIT

[Crapshoot]

Racker is going to get shot.

[ColtCrazy]

For the stat mongers, we passed the 1000 yards of offense mark.



AND HE MISSED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW. There's a vote for going for a TD! Kickers have sucked all weekend in games.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

[Danny]

Wow and now 9 seconds for GB left to do something. Arizona should have played more aggressively.

[kingfc22]

That wasn't even close.

Now whoever wins the coin flip wins the game. No doubt about it.

[MJ4H]

lol at that field goal

[Young Drachma]

"Good thing we're not going to playing college rules or we'd be here all night."

Uh and this is bad, why?

[SnowMan]

Just wow.

[Crapshoot]

Wouldn't it be ironic if this game ends up on a turnover in OT?

[jbergey22]

That wasn't even close.

Now whoever wins the coin flip wins the game. No doubt about it.

Unless Ari wins it and settles for a FG.

[kingfc22]

"Good thing we're not going to playing college rules or we'd be here all night."

Uh and this is bad, why?

It's Joe Buck. He's a buffoon. Can't expect much from him.

[Crapshoot]

PS - why the hell wouldn't you take a hail mary shot if you were GB?

[miami_fan]

Come on, someone give me a Hasselback moment at the coin flip.

[Groundhog]

"Good thing we're not going to playing college rules or we'd be here all night."

Uh and this is bad, why?

x2

College football OT is awesome.

[MrDNA]

"Good thing we're not going to playing college rules or we'd be here all night."

Uh and this is bad, why?

Joe Buck has a hot date with his left hand.

[Crapshoot]

Okay, GB looks like they will win this. I wouldn't want to be Rackers right now.

What kind of odds would it take for you to be on Arizona right now?

[MrDNA]

Welp, whoever ends up winning this one will have my eternal undying devotion (for the rest of the playoffs).

[kingfc22]

Joe Buck has a hot date with his left hand.

This had be rolling!!!:D:D:D

[ColtCrazy]

"Good thing we're not going to playing college rules or we'd be here all night."

Uh and this is bad, why?

My thoughts exactly. It's about time the NFL had a 76-70 OT game.

[MJ4H]

"Good thing we're not going to playing college rules or we'd be here all night."

Uh and this is bad, why?

Because obviously it is better to just flip a coin to decide the winner.

[Mustang]

If Green Bay scores, the sports talk radio people will be able to fill a good week with should the NFL OT rules be changed.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Hopefully, Arizona does the typical NFL OT thing & tries a 45 yard FG on 1st down instead of actually playing football & going for a TD.

[Crapshoot]

If Green Bay scores, the sports talk radio people will be able to fill a good week with should the NFL OT rules be changed.

And they'd be right....

[Thomkal]

sigh, well Cards deserve to lose it if they do after leading 17-0, 24-10 at the half, then 31-10 in the third.

[bhlloy]

You think Rackers was expecting the Packers to try and ice him? It didn't look like he was taking that kick very seriously, he didn't even run up straight.

[jbergey22]

Okay, GB looks like they will win this. I wouldn't want to be Rackers right now.

What kind of odds would it take for you to be on Arizona right now?

+350

[RedKingGold]

It's like NFL fans who stuck with it this weekend are finally being rewarded after watching three and a half wild card games that sucked.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Ok, I'm stupid... My mom called & won't get off the phone so I thought Arizona won the flip.

[RedKingGold]

Oh, at Matt Groening is PISSED!

[Thomkal]

62 1st downs, that's just crazy

[kingfc22]

Maybe ARZ will decide to cover Finley now that OT has started.

[Thomkal]

man that should have been called on Berry

[Thomkal]

OMG!

[Dr. Sak]

What an ending...

[M GO BLUE!!!]

OH MY GOD! WOW!

[Young Drachma]

What an ending!

[kingfc22]

Wow. Unreal.

[hoopsguy]

Wow.

[Eaglesfan27]

So much for the first team to get the ball winning it. Great ending!

[MJ4H]

Wouldn't it be ironic if this game ends up on a turnover in OT?

hi

[Crapshoot]

Wouldn't it be ironic if this game ends up on a turnover in OT?

I AM A GOLDEN GOD!

[MrDNA]

And of all the crazy things, the DEFENSE wins it! :lol:

[Thomkal]

who would have guessed it'd be a turnover that won it, wow!

[Dr. Sak]

Farve usually threw INTs to piss away Packer game...Rodgers just fumbles them away.

[Wolfpack]

It's like rai-i-an on your wedding day....

[Lathum]

Wow

[ColtCrazy]

Wouldn't it be ironic if this game ends up on a turnover in OT?

You called it. What a way to win.

[Thomkal]

and it was Michael Adams of all people!

[RainMaker]

He kicked it right into his hands.

[ISiddiqui]

Arizona wins on a DEFENSIVE play in OT to win the game?! WOW!

[tucker rocky]

I AM A GOLDEN GOD!


So, who wins next week?

[RainMaker]

Would that have been an incomplete pass if it hit the ground?

[tucker rocky]

He kicked it right into his hands.


Rackers is saved from being kicked for now.

[Fonzie]

Am I the only one who saw a facemask to Rodgers on that play?

And helmet-to-helmet on the previous play?

[cmp]

Not a fan of either team but wasn't that a facemask?

[RedKingGold]

Hands to the face/facemask by Adams = not a penalty?

[ColtCrazy]

Well, this game made up for the suckiness of the others. Now I have a problem. I like Brees. I like Warner. Could be another 50 point game.

[RedKingGold]

Am I the only one who saw a facemask to Rodgers on that play?

And helmet-to-helmet on the previous play?

Apparently not.

[Fonzie]

League's gonna have some explaining to do on that one.

[RainMaker]

Am I the only one who saw a facemask to Rodgers on that play?

And helmet-to-helmet on the previous play?
Helmet to helmet was a coin flip and I'm glad they didn't call it. But they did miss the facemask.

[ColtCrazy]

First to 50 wins?

Another good call. Yes, first to 50 won.

[Senator]

Okay, GB looks like they will win this. I wouldn't want to be Rackers right now.

What kind of odds would it take for you to be on Arizona right now?

A golden god???

[Thomkal]

Okay just about all the "experts" have picked the Packers-reminds me of last year right about this time doesn't it? Will be tough without Boldin, but they won a playoff game without him last year. Go Cards!

:p to all those "experts"!

Sorry Packers Fans, this was a tough one to lose after all those comebacks and then getting the ball in OT

[cuervo72]

Am I the only one who saw a facemask to Rodgers on that play?

And helmet-to-helmet on the previous play?

Nope - I mentioned that to my wife (well, or at least muttered it in her presence).

[tucker rocky]

Early prediction for Arz/NO:

63-60 NO in OT, Carney with a winning FG from a chip-shot spot.

Rackers will have an opp, but miss badly.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

who would have guessed it'd be a turnover that won it, wow!

It's a Crapshoot.

[Cringer]

Fuck. I'm going to bed now.

[Thomkal]

It's a Crapshoot.

heh

[Logan]

First to 50 wins?

Another prophet.

Am I the only one who saw a facemask to Rodgers on that play?

And helmet-to-helmet on the previous play?

Might need Sak to weigh in...he hit the facemask after he had already hit the ball out. Not sure if that changes anything.

[tucker rocky]

I AM A GOLDEN GOD!

I need advice on lucky lotto numbers.

What will the weather be like tomorrow?

Who will win the SB?

What lays ahead for this year?

:D

[bhlloy]

The helmet to helmet on the previous was definitely a penalty the way they call it nowadays but the ref was looking at the hold on the ground and throwing the flag. Unfortunate for the Pack.

I'd love to hear what the correct call should have been on the facemask because I can see a bunch of ways it could go. My logical guess is personal foul, 15 yards but the Cardinals take possession because the ball was already loose, but I have absolutely no idea.

[Wolfpack]

Hm. Initially I would have thought it was incidental since the ball was up by Rogers's head and going for the ball would have made it hard not to make contact with the facemask, but looking at it again, he doesn't really let go once he's made contact and does use it to help leverage Rogers away from the ball. Blown call, but unreviewable so nothing to be done for it, much like what happened in the San Diego-Colorado playoff game in MLB back in '07 where Holliday was declared safe even though all the replays eventually showed he never tagged home.

[Thomkal]

yeah that was really a facemask there.

[Drake]

Arizona winning always makes me smile because I know Thomkal will be happy. It's like watching a kid on Christmas morning. :)

[gstelmack]

Who else thinks that either NFC road team could win next week, but the AFC road teams should be done?

I would not count out Baltimore against Indy given how the end of Indy's season went down. But I don't give the Jets much of a chance against the Chargers given San Diego's momentum right now. The Jets may well put up a fight, but the Chargers should beat them.

[Dr. Sak]

I actually didn't see the play so I am going off what has been said. I'm assuming the facemask did not cause the fumble and happened while the ball was loose. That being said it would still be Arizona's ball but they would be penalized 15 yards from basic spot, and in this case it would be the end of the run.

[gstelmack]

I actually didn't see the play so I am going off what has been said. I'm assuming the facemask did not cause the fumble and happened while the ball was loose. That being said it would still be Arizona's ball but they would be penalized 15 yards from basic spot, and in this case it would be the end of the run.

Correct, he hit the ball while the QB's arm was in the air, knocked it loose, and the continued motion of the arm hit the QB's facemask, then he grabbed on and pulled him down.

However, the end of the run was a TD (that won the game), so what happens then?

[jbergey22]

Lines for next week are
Chargers -9 42.5
Colts -6.5 44.5
New Orleans -7 56.5
Minnesota -2.5 46.5

Loving the Vikings/Cowboys under at first glance

[Dr. Sak]

Correct, he hit the ball while the QB's arm was in the air, knocked it loose, and the continued motion of the arm hit the QB's facemask, then he grabbed on and pulled him down.

However, the end of the run was a TD (that won the game), so what happens then?

The end of the run was the place where Rodgers fumbled. Thats where the ball became loose and the foul occurred right after that...everything after that point is considered null.

[BrianD]

I actually didn't see the play so I am going off what has been said. I'm assuming the facemask did not cause the fumble and happened while the ball was loose. That being said it would still be Arizona's ball but they would be penalized 15 yards from basic spot, and in this case it would be the end of the run.

How does a ball change possession when there is a foul by a team before securing possession?

[jbergey22]

How does a ball change possession when there is a foul by a team before securing possession?

It doesnt

[Dr. Sak]

How does a ball change possession when there is a foul by a team before securing possession?

The act of the foul did not cause the ball to be fumbled...the ball was loose before the foul and no one had possession.

[jbergey22]

The act of the foul did not cause the ball to be fumbled...the ball was loose before the foul and no one had possession.

Packers would keep possession if the foul occurred before the ball was recovered.

[Dr. Sak]

Packers would keep possession if the foul occurred before the ball was recovered.

Nope. The Packers would keep possession if the foul occurred before the fumble happened.

[jbergey22]

Nope. The Packers would keep possession if the foul occurred before the fumble happened.

Incorrect. If there was a ball scrambling free on the ground and a defender held an offensive player from getting the ball the offense would keep possession. How is this different?

At the time of the foul no one has possession it then goes back to the offense.

With that said its possible you are correct but it just wouldnt make any sense to me. Suppose the defender was grabbing Rodgers facemask to keep him from getting the ball back. It wouldnt seem right that the defense could do this to recover the ball and only lose 15 yards for it.

[BrianD]

The act of the foul did not cause the ball to be fumbled...the ball was loose before the foul and no one had possession.

I so want to disagree with you, but I know your credentials are much better than mine.

[Thomkal]

Arizona winning always makes me smile because I know Thomkal will be happy. It's like watching a kid on Christmas morning. :)

Awww thanks Drake. :) I feel like I just found one last present from Santa right now lol.

[Dr. Sak]

Incorrect. If there was a ball scrambling free on the ground and a defender held an offensive player from getting the ball the offense would keep possession. How is this different?

At the time of the foul no one has possession it then goes back to the offense.

With that said its possible you are correct but it just wouldnt make any sense to me. Suppose the defender was grabbing Rodgers facemask to keep him from getting the ball back. It wouldnt seem right that the defense could do this to recover the ball and only lose 15 yards for it.

You are correct. I read my bin book wrong.

[tucker rocky]

GB/Arz 1-10-2010

"The Shootout in the Desert"
"The Good, The Bad, The Fumble"

Anybody think of some more?

[PackerFanatic]

Ugh...

[Dr. Sak]

I will say this...I was watching the youtube clip of the replay. He does hit the facemask but is the pull down on the bottom part of his mask or the neck of the shoulder pads?

I can see why the call was missed (if it was indeed missed). The Referee is throwing his bag for the fumble spot and he's really the only one who will see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXhyA3a-WlY

[jbergey22]

Looked like he got the facemask right away then let go and got the shoulder pad. Hard to get a clear look though.

[RainMaker]

THE CURSE OF FAVRE

[Fonzie]

Hits to the head will always be called.

I guess I'm not quite understanding the meaning of the word "always".

[stevew]

There was some really shitty horsecollar tackle called later in the game. Now I understand why that's a rule, because Roy Williams was intentionally trying to hurt people. But the call on Arizona was pretty poor.

[CU Tiger]

You are correct. I read my bin book wrong.

Not sure how to take this.
An actual mistake, or I thumb my nose at you I am a ref and you are not.

I mean, I am reading along snickering at how someone is challening the football ref on the rule, and then I am confused.

[Cuckoo]

Now I understand why that's a rule, because Roy Williams was intentionally trying to hurt people.

:confused:

Do people really think this?

[jbergey22]

Not sure how to take this.
An actual mistake, or I thumb my nose at you I am a ref and you are not.

I mean, I am reading along snickering at how someone is challening the football ref on the rule, and then I am confused.

I didnt realize he was a ref, thanks for letting me know that before I challenge him again. He could have been being sarcastic I am not positive that I was correct. It just seemed to make sense to me. Of course other rules dont make sense to me either and they are still called the non logical way.

[Front Office Midget]

Ugh... what an emotional game. I can't believe I gave up on this game in the 3rd quarter and then all the sudden the Packers came back! Truly an unforgettable game.

Oh well... I guess I'll cheer for the Vikings the rest of the way.

[Senator]

Ugh... what an emotional game. I can't believe I gave up on this game in the 3rd quarter and then all the sudden the Packers came back! Truly an unforgettable game.

Oh well... I guess I'll cheer for the Vikings the rest of the way.

You might want to get another back up team.

[RedKingGold]

After further review, Packers got screwed

Posted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2010 7:50 AM ET
We've received more than a few e-mails in the aftermath of Sunday night's for-the-ages battle between the Packers and the Cardinals regarding the non-call on the play that delivered victory for the home team via a sack, fumble/interception, and 17-yard sprint for a score.

At first, the words "tuck rule (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/10/in-packers-cardinals-game-tuck-rule-doesnt-matter/)" dominated the discussion.

Then, the focal point became the blow to the head and the yanking of the facemask that Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3118) endured as Arizona defensive back Michael Adams (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4576) collided into Rodgers.

Here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZCbmc0IIM4).

As one league source said via e-mail, "It should have been a personal foul grabbing the face mask and 15-yard penalty and a first down for Green Bay."

And we agree, completely. The incidental facemask call disappeared a couple of years ago, replaced by a rule that even a minor grab of the bars attached to the helmet triggers the major infraction.

Moreover, we've routinely seen quarterbacks take minor blows to the head and draw flags for roughing the passer.

So what happened? Though the tuck rule didn't matter because the ball bounced off Rodgers' foot before it was caught by Cardinals linebacker Karlos Dansby (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2663), the official undoubtedly was watching Rodgers' arm and the ball for any evidence of the convoluted mechanical process that makes a fumble not a fumble when the quarterback was in the process of moving his arm forward but hadn't released the ball before having the ball knocked out.

The bigger problem is that the FOX announcers and the folks talking into their ears didn't bother to delve into the question of whether not one but two penalties had occurred. Joe Buck said "Rodgers gets a hand to the face" during the live call, but Buck and his producer(s) blew an excellent opportunity to explain first that the tuck rule didn't matter in this case and second that what did matter was the failure of the men in black and white to see that Adams had not only hit Rodgers in the head but also had grabbed and tugged his facemask.

So, yes, Packers fans, you have every right to be upset.

Then again, watch the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZCbmc0IIM4). Adams didn't get a free release from Rodgers' blind side. He had to cut in front of an underneath receiver before circling into the backfield, and Rodgers could have (and should have) seen Adams coming.

By our count, Rodgers had the ball in his hands for three full seconds before getting hit.

When Rodgers was getting thrown around like a rag doll in the first half of the season, he quietly was being criticized within the locker room for holding the ball too long. And that's the biggest thing that the Packers need to address this offseason in order to make Rodgers into a guy who can deliver consistently in the clutch.

After further review, Packers got screwed | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/11/after-further-review-packers-got-screwed/)

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[Butter]

dola

Please let this (Bengal) loss bring the joy of a Bratkowski firing. This offense is painful.

Please listen to this man. He is wise.

[mauchow]

I guess I'm not quite understanding the meaning of the word "always".

when seen by the officials, sorry.

[Galaril]

I still can get over how much the Ravens dominated the Pats especially in the running game and on the defensive side of the ball. I know Brady apparently has been banged up with broken ribs or something but really it was less about the Pats playing poorly as it was the Ravens making them look so bad.

[Thomkal]

I agree RedKingGold that a penalty should have been called on that play and probably the one before it too with the head to head of the QB hit on Rodgers. But if Rodgers had hit a wide open Jennings on the first play of overtime, the game would have been over already. And then he probably held on to the ball too long on the play where he fumbled.

So yes Packer fans have a right to be angry at the officials, but they should be angry at Rodgers too for his play in overtime.

It's too bad really that such a great game had to end on such a controversial play.

[BrianD]

I don't think we Packer fans have a right to be angry. Disappointed maybe, but not angry. While the last two plays contained penalties that should have been called, neither caused Green Bay to lose the game. The only thing that would have resulted from calling the penalty on the last play was nullifying a mistake. I don't feel that you can ever blame the refs for not nullifying a mistake. If you want to win, you have to avoid those mistakes at the crucial situations.

[MikeVic]

I still can get over how much the Ravens dominated the Pats especially in the running game and on the defensive side of the ball. I know Brady apparently has been banged up with broken ribs or something but really it was less about the Pats playing poorly as it was the Ravens making them look so bad.

I don't know, Flacco's stellar line makes me lean towards it being Pats playing poorly. Yeah, Ravens played well too, but I don't think you can overlook Welker being gone and Brady having all those injuries.

[flere-imsaho]

According to Peter King, the reason why the Jets' punter didn't play wasn't merely because he "felt ill", but because he was found to have a racing and irregular heartbeat just prior to the game.

So, a little less mystery there.

[flounder]

Jason Statham didn't let an irregular heartbeat stop him in Crank: High Voltage. Rub some dirt on it and get out there and play!