NFL Week 8 Discussion Thread: Randy Moss Claimed on Waivers by the Titans

[Sun Tzu]

Tony Romo, Brett Favre and Alex Smith were all injured in Week 7. Taking their place in Week 8 will be Jon Kitna, Tarvaris Jackson and Heisman winner Troy Smith.

[molson]

At a Pats fan, I'm certainly hoping Favre can tough it out and get on the field for one more week.

[Mustang]

I haven't seen any comets, supernovas or other astrological signs nor has a souless child been born so, Favre will play. He will play 1 or 2 series, be ineffective and then cry afterwards in a press conference and sit out next week. No way in hell does he want his streak to have started with a GB game and end with a GB game.

Yes, I'm that much of a pessimist about Favre.

[albionmoonlight]

The Saints, after getting embarrassed by the Browns at home, host the Steelers on Sunday night.

The Saints have the ability to beat the Steelers. But, ability is only part of the equation. Who knows what version of the Saints will show up? And the Steelers are playing the best football in the league right now, IMHO.

[jbergey22]

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[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I'm a Pats fan and I would rather face an immobile Favre whose pride will keep him throwing prayers than Jackson, for sure.

[jbergey22]

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[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Haha, I've seen Favre play enough this season.

[jbergey22]

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[Passacaglia]

Doesn't Favre still have one good game left since his mom is alive?

(yeah, that's going to look really bad if his mom did die, especially recently)

[molson]

This shit seriously makes me laugh. Have you ever seen Tavaris Jackson play? He's had 1 maybe 2 good games in the 30+ hes played. The Vikings have no chance in a shootout with the Pats with Jackson. Atleast with Favre there is a chance he gets hot and can carry the team.

You certainly hope Favre doesnt play and saying anything else just makes it seem your hatred for Favre has disrupted your train of thought or you really dont mean it and want to draw attention to the comment.

In either the case the Vikings chances arent great but certainly Favre is their best option especially against a team with very little pass rush.

The Pats aren't exactly a "shootout" team anymore. And if the Vikings think their best hope is Favre carrying them - that's the strategy I'd want my team to face.

The Vikings could easily outplay the Pats but "Favre" the game away. That's why opponents of the Vikings want to see him in there.

With Jackson, (or Joe Webb), you can at least reign the guy in an try to win with a conservative offense and a solid defense.

[jbergey22]

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[Lathum]

As long as the Vikings have Bobo Childress calling plays it doesn't matter who they have playing QB.

[Rizon]

I know I'd rather my team face Bretterception Favre than whatever that other guy's name is.

[Lathum]

all I know is there are 31 starting quarterbacks that are glad the Giants are on a bye this week.

[Greyroofoo]

all I know is there are 31 starting quarterbacks that are glad the Giants are on a bye this week.

Do you think the Giants would be willing to come back to Indianapolis? There are some fans that still want a souvenir Giants helmet.

[jbergey22]

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[Lathum]

Do you think the Giants would be willing to come back to Indianapolis? There are some fans that still want a souvenir Giants helmet.

I think they are a very different team then they were in week 2 and would give the Colts a game.

My comment was about how the Giants have shelved 5 QBs in the 7 games they have played. I give you a C- for the effort made to wedge that comment in there.

[SnowMan]

all I know is there are 31 starting quarterbacks that are glad the Giants are on a bye this week.
The Seahawks get em next week, so all those calling for Whitehurst may get their wish, for better or worse.

[Lathum]

The Seahawks get em next week, so all those calling for Whitehurst may get their wish, for better or worse.

I know, I'll be at the game!!!!

[BillJasper]

I start playing Jackson.

The Vikings slow start combined with Favre's poor play have eliminated any hope this team had at playing in a Super Bowl. Which was the whole reason he came back.

You have to begin to define what your future is at the QB position.

[Ksyrup]

all I know is there are 31 starting quarterbacks that are glad the Giants are on a bye this week.

26, subtracting the 5 other teams on bye this week as well.

[Lathum]

26, subtracting the 5 other teams on bye this week as well.

I was to lazy to do the math.

[Ksyrup]

Actually, the list is probably down to about 5 or 6 teams, if you factor in the rest of the Giants schedule. :p

[Neuqua]

Reading what jbergey says to defend Favre in one post and then reading what he says to hate on Cutler in another is quite amusing.

[jbergey22]

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[Travis]

It's well past time to throw last year's stats out the window given that he already has more picks this year than last season (and is almost on pace to match his career worst in that category). Given that his next lowest season total was 13 and he has gone as high as 29 (threw 22 just a season before his magical 7 interception season) and that his WR aren't bailing him out on poorly thrown balls like they did last year (I still can't believe some of the catches Rice pulled off last year), well, it's not like 7 is the norm for this guy.

Is Jackson a better option? Probably if the injury reports on Favre are accurate. Hell, even if he's fairly healthy it's starting to look more and more like he can't be too much worse than what Favre is bringing to the season this year.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Favre's MVPs and rings were at least 13 years ago.

How many players have seen their whole career go by in that time span?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I just heard from an insider that Missouri basketball coach Mike Anderson is in the running to start at QB for the Cowboys, Vikings, and 49ers this week. He's also jumped Tim Tebow and Champ Bailey on Denver's depth charts.

I give myself a D+ for throwing this unnecessary post into this thread.

[jbergey22]

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[molson]

Nobody is saying anything about "how wonderful life would be for the Vikings" under other options. But Favre, espeically a gimpy Favre, doesn't exactly set the bar very high for what you need to replace him to have a better cahnce to win. Why is Jackson still on the team if he's worthless? There's plenty of unemployed QBs out there.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

How many Vikings fans to you hear calling for Jackson? The number is very small as we already know Jackson is just as worthless as Favre is playing this year. There is atleast a glimmer of hope with Favre while we know we are doomed if Jackson sees the field.

Time to bench the 20 million dollar man - Vikings Open Discussion (http://www.purplepride.org/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/1067070-time-to-bench-the-20-million-dollar-man?limit=15&start=570)

I'd say 50-50 is a conservative estimate at this board.

[jbergey22]

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[Mustang]

This is starting to turn into a mini Ditka-esque SNL skit.

How many points would the Pats be favored by if Favre had no legs...

[Sun Tzu]

It wouldn't be an official Brett Favre dick sucking contest if jbergey22 wasn't involved.

[jbergey22]

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[Sun Tzu]

Here's my argument...

I used purple so you could see it easier.

[jbergey22]

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[molson]

That Bradford guy above him sure isnt doing very good. Rams should think about sitting him on the bench.

The Rams aren't playing for a super bowl this year. It makes perfect sense to play Bradford.

[jbergey22]

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[jbergey22]

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[Scoobz0202]

Here's my argument...

I used purple so you could see it easier.

#2 and #12 got swapped on that list for some reason..


Right?

[Sun Tzu]

Sam Bradford...a rookie who is playing on a team with practically zero offensive talent (minus SJ of course), a team that only won one game last year, is having a better year than Brett Favre. I don't quite see how you're helping your argument along here...

[Matthean]

That Bradford guy above him sure isnt doing very good. Rams should think about sitting him on the bench.

Bradford has potential. With Favre, you know what you are getting at this point.

[jbergey22]

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[Travis]

Assuming the answer to that question is yes. I would certainly think living with the guy that has won a Super Bowl or atleast a playoff game would be the way to go. Of course thats probably just me sucking Favres cock.

I would think what it suggests is that a team in rebuilding mode (Rams) can live with a QB struggling to adjust to life in the NFL (especially when the pieces around him aren't exactly top of the line past Steven Jackson) while a team like Minnesota needs more production out of that spot and should exhaust all available resources at their disposal rather than relying on an option that isn't proving up to the task at this point whether it's age or health (or both) related.

If Favre were 100% healthy and just going through a slump, likely a different story to a degree, but given his injuries and struggles so far, why not give Jackson a shot? He may not have lit it up previously, but it's pretty hard to imagine him being worse than what Favre is giving the Vikings right now. Worst case is he goes in and performs at a similar level to what you're getting right now, but at least it gives Favre a chance to get healthier. Best case he comes in, something has "clicked" for him since he saw significant on field action last, and he goes on to lead the team to some success.

I'm not really seeing where the down side is for the Vikings right now other than ending Favre's games started streak.

[Scoobz0202]

I'm not going to pile it on you, Jbergey, because I can understand how hearing shit talked about your favorite teams quarterback can get old. But what makes you think that just because you are the Vikings fan in this argument only YOU know the Vikings?

[molson]

I'm not really seeing where the down side is for the Vikings right now other than ending Favre's games started streak.

And I suspect though, that that might be the #1 and only consideration in this decision process.

[Mustang]

I haven't seen a person be charmed this much by an former enemy since Thulsa Doom almost did it to Conan.

Oh.. and it's Favre's Cock. Didn't want that post to show up in the 'posts that make me cringe' thread. ;)

[Sun Tzu]

Tarvaris Jackson was 8-4 as a starter in his second year. His stats that year were slightly better than what Favre is doing now...and that was with Troy Williamson and Bobby Wade as his top receivers. I don't see how a broken down Favre (who has been record setting streaky in both directions throughout his entire career) right now is any better of an option than Jackson.

[jbergey22]

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[Sun Tzu]

Im done arguing on here its pointless arguing with people that probably dont even know who Tavaris Jackson is.

Its like me telling you Patrick Willis is an overrated piece of shit and that Kristick is a far better option because the 49ers defense sucks this year and its Willis's fault.

Well...if Willis was averaging 3 tackles per game and was leading the league in missed tackles, I'd probably say you're right.

[Matthean]

Im done arguing on here its pointless arguing with people that probably dont even know who Tavaris Jackson is.

Jackson is a 77.9 rated QB for his career. Considering Favre when healthy this year is less than that, do you know who Favre is at this point? Is Jackson so horribly bad that a 40 year old injured game killing INT prone QB is better? I would be more than willing to give Jackson a run with that offense which is better than what he had while he was starting before.

[Sun Tzu]

I don't think anybody is debating who is better in their prime...Jackson and Favre. The argument here is that Favre right now is shit, and Jackson can at least give the Vikes a half-way decent chance. There are few QB's in the league not named David Carr or that would play as well as Favre right now in that offense.

[jbergey22]

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[Passacaglia]

Time to bench the 20 million dollar man - Vikings Open Discussion (http://www.purplepride.org/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/1067070-time-to-bench-the-20-million-dollar-man?limit=15&start=570)

I'd say 50-50 is a conservative estimate at this board.

Purple pride? Who cares what those gay fashionistas have to say about it?

[Rizon]

Here's my argument...

I used purple so you could see it easier.

Sort it by INT% and it's just as bad :lol:

[Rizon]

Jackson needs to be given a little slack. Kid has thrown 545 career passes. His QB rating for those passes were higher than Manning and Steve Young's at the same point in their careers. And nearly identical to the beloved Favre's as well. He won't develop into a HOF QB, but right now he's (far) better than a crippled interception machine.

[jbergey22]

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[Sun Tzu]

Talk about a blanket statement. Smith has at least been an NFL backup caliber QB. Russell is arguably the worst #1 pick in the history of the league.

Alex Smith is also having a better year than Favre right now.

[jbergey22]

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[Rizon]

If you are happy with Alex Smith it might help explain that record they have over there in San Fran.

There are 52 other players that are responsible. And shoddy coaching.

And ... I can't stand the Niners, but I see that.

[Rizon]

Are you by chance sucking some Alex Smith cock?

Fail.

[jbergey22]

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[Sun Tzu]

Smith has at least been an NFL ------>backup<------ caliber QB.

Maybe I should just quote myself...you know...to assist with your reading comprehension...

[jbergey22]

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[Sun Tzu]

If you think I've directly misquoted or misinterpreted anything you've posted in this thread, I openly invite you to bring it everyone's attention.

[Rizon]

Really, so one player doesnt make a team? Interesting

Define "make a team".

[Sun Tzu]

Id call them both first round flops that were given many more opportunities than they deserve.

This is true. Performance-wise, Smith (and any other backup in the league) is light years ahead of Russell. Smith is most likely going to be a career 75-80 rating QB. Russell would have been bad as an undrafted FA.

Just to put things in perspective...Russell's career QB rating is just one point less than Favre's rating this year.

[jbergey22]

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[BillJasper]

Brett Favre in his prime... one of the best to ever play the game.

But this is all pretty academic. Favre right now is an immobile target for defenses with two ankle fractures. It's not if Tarvaris Jackson gets a chance to play... but when?

If the above is the case... then why not now? To even get to 9-7, the Vikings have to play .700 ball the rest of the way.

[Rizon]

One player isnt solely responsible for the success or non success of a team.

Such as Favre sucking ass this year isnt just on him as many others on the team have helped him fail.

Right. But what does that have to do with Jackson being an improvement over Favre?

[jbergey22]

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[Rizon]

Its a really believable to think a player can go form 33 tds 7 ints to 15 tds a 35 ints one year later?

It's as believable for a QB to go from 33/7 to 15/35 just as it is for a QB to go from 22/22 to 33/7 or 30/17 to 20/29 or 19/24 to 33/14 or 18/18 to 28/15.

[Sun Tzu]

I wouldn't say 35 INT's...maybe closer to 29. You know, like he did in 2005? Or maybe just 24, you know, like he did in 1993? Or even just 23, you know, like he did in 1998 and 1999? Or, this is giving him the benefit of the doubt, maybe just 22, you know...like he did in 2008?

[Rizon]

Why would you think hes an improvement over Favre?

Probably because he's injured. And he's throwing picks.

And it's not 1995 anymore.

[Passacaglia]

Too bad this is all pointless, since none of us are making the decision. We should do the FOFC Groupthink again, and try to do it so that we get people to care about things this much.

[jbergey22]

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[Mustang]

We should do the FOFC Groupthink again, and try to do it so that we get people to care about things this much.

Just as long as there is no cock sucking going on.

[Eaglesfan27]

I just heard from an insider that Missouri basketball coach Mike Anderson is in the running to start at QB for the Cowboys, Vikings, and 49ers this week. He's also jumped Tim Tebow and Champ Bailey on Denver's depth charts.

I give myself a D+ for throwing this unnecessary post into this thread.

It gets an A+ from me.

[Sun Tzu]

Speaking of homers, where is MBBF?

[Mustang]

They played one possession games at New Orleans, at New York, at Green Bay, and home to the Dolphins. The only game they really got outplayed in was against the Jets. Its not like the team has been playing like complete shit.


Wasn't the Jets game down to a one possession game when Favre over threw a wide open Harvin in the flat?? Must have been in Favre's 10% time that he does that... ;)

[jeff061]

Doesn't Favre still have one good game left since his mom is alive?

(yeah, that's going to look really bad if his mom did die, especially recently)

Laughed my ass off at this.

[Lathum]

Speaking of homers, where is MBBF?

Prepping his list of excuses for when Mizzou gets pasted by Nebraska.

[Abe Sargent]

Brett Favre in his prime... one of the best to ever play the game.



I'd say top 20, but not in my top 10 of all time, even in his prime I'd choose other Qbs in their prime over him, like Manning or Marino.

[Dr. Sak]

I know I can be a jerk about certain things pertaining to how some of you rip on the referees, but it's just because I am one and I know how hard the job it.

However, please understand that at the end of the day these guys are trying their best and do not want to screw games up. 99.9% of them have a lot of pride in what they do and when I hear a guy stand in front of a group like I did tonight and talk about how he got a call this morning from a guy saying that he just planted a bomb at business of the referee, makes me sick. The FBI had to be called in. The same guy got death threats and had guys calling him saying they were on their way to his house with a gun after the Detroit game this year.

I know none of you hear would consider anything like this, but try to keep a little perspective that these people are human too. I will step off my soap box now.

[Lathum]

That is sad.

Unfortunately there are crazies everywhere. Dude probably lost his kids college tuition and needs someone to blame.

[molson]

I know I can be a jerk about certain things pertaining to how some of you rip on the referees, but it's just because I am one and I know how hard the job it.

However, please understand that at the end of the day these guys are trying their best and do not want to screw games up. 99.9% of them have a lot of pride in what they do and when I hear a guy stand in front of a group like I did tonight and talk about how he got a call this morning from a guy saying that he just planted a bomb at business of the referee, makes me sick. The FBI had to be called in. The same guy got death threats and had guys calling him saying they were on their way to his house with a guy after the Detroit game this year.

I know none of you hear would consider anything like this, but try to keep a little perspective that these people are human too. I will step off my soap box now.

I think this board could use this occasional soap box perspective. Certainly there's a lot of idiot sports fans elsewhere that need it desperately.

I'll never understand why people take officiating mistakes so goddamn personally, when their error rate is no worse (and probably far better) than the athletes playing the game, or any fan in their own jobs. Some people just have a very unhealthy relationship with sports and the games they watch on TV. They just can't handle it.

[miami_fan]

I think this board could use this occasional soap box perspective. Certainly there's a lot of idiot sports fans elsewhere that need it desperately.

I'll never understand why people take officiating mistakes so goddamn personally, when their error rate is no worse (and probably far better) than the athletes playing the game, or any fan in their own jobs. Some people just have a very unhealthy relationship with sports and the games they watch on TV. They just can't handle it.

The story that Dr. Sak shared is a sad one but I don't think most sports fans take officiating mistakes any more personally than they take any mistakes made on the playing field or in their personal life. The fact is we don't accept that people in general make mistakes whether it is the official on the field or the waitress who can't get our stinking order right. When you add in the passion of sports fans and the betting angle, I can see how things get irrational. Not excusing the nonsense described above, but it does not shock me. That is the consequences of sports being big business.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

it's a strange time in sports. we have the technology to eliminate human error in all sports but we push back because of tradition and not wanting to remove the human element.

but if there is a missed call that changes the outcome of the game it leads on sportscenter and the echo chamber screams we need replay/goal cameras/robots/etc.

[jeff061]

Personally I very very rarely complain about the refs or a bad call, even if it affects the outcome of a game. I can't stand replay, I wished it had crashed and burned. Completely interrupts the game, takes to long. I cringe at it being expanded or becoming more prevalent in other sports.

I realize I'm in a minority here.

[BillJasper]

Personally I very very rarely complain about the refs or a bad call, even if it affects the outcome of a game. I can't stand replay, I wished it had crashed and burned. Completely interrupts the game, takes to long. I cringe at it being expanded or becoming more prevalent in other sports.

I realize I'm in a minority here.

I agree.

But the thing that always confuses me is the difference between how replay is handled by the NFL and college level.

It seems a college replay lasts less than sixty seconds and they come back with the correct call far more often than it seems the NFL does... and it takes the NFL three times as long to do it.

Maybe the NFL needs to look at how the college game handles replay.

[Lathum]

It seems a college replay lasts less than sixty seconds and they come back with the correct call far more often than it seems the NFL does... and it takes the NFL three times as long to do it.



You can squeeze in a Bud commercial and a Wrangler commercial during the replay.

[jbergey22]

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[Mustang]

I sense a strong disturbance in the force as though several people bitched and were suddenly silent.


On a separate note, one thing that drives me nuts is when the call is obvious, yet the entire stadium boos. At least I have my wife to the point that if a flag comes out, before she says anything she asks if it was legit before complaining.

[EagleFan]

Did I accidentally click on a political thread?

[jbergey22]

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[Mustang]

Did I accidentally click on a political thread?

No.

Usually the political threads creatively tell people to go fuck themselves.

[Lathum]

IBTL

[MikeVic]

What a start to week 8 of the NFL! Can we have a halftime show between jbergey and HiFi, with special guest referee jbmagic?

[EagleFan]

IBTL

lol, I came close to postng that. :)

[BillJasper]

You can squeeze in a Bud commercial and a Wrangler commercial during the replay.

Pretty sure you just hit the nail on the head.

[Greyroofoo]

Speaking of homers, where is MBBF?

Probably enjoying Sam Bradford in a Mizzou Jersey

http://wac.2532.edgecastcdn.net/802532/foxmwes/common/medialib/268/297373.jpg

[Atocep]

I agree.


It seems a college replay lasts less than sixty seconds and they come back with the correct call far more often than it seems the NFL does... and it takes the NFL three times as long to do it.



I see far less consistency in replay overturns in college. Not all refs seem to grasp on conclusive evidence means.

[Passacaglia]

No fair, I missed the meltdown!

[Dr. Sak]

I see far less consistency in replay overturns in college. Not all refs seem to grasp on conclusive evidence means.

I like college replay much more than the NFL. It doesn't interrupt the game flow. In college there is a guy in the booth that makes the call on the replay, whether to overturn it or not...where as in the pros the Referee on the field makes that decision. Not sure how much that has to do with the timing aspect either.

[Dr. Sak]

Prepping his list of excuses for when Mizzou gets pasted by Nebraska.

You know he just magically disappears on vacation when ironically right after Mizzou loses.

[BillJasper]

I see far less consistency in replay overturns in college. Not all refs seem to grasp on conclusive evidence means.

To be fair, we've been debating what a 'catch' actually is in the NFL for a decade now and it still seems no one knows. See the overturned Shiancoe TD from the Vikings-Packers game.

I like college replay much more than the NFL. It doesn't interrupt the game flow. In college there is a guy in the booth that makes the call on the replay, whether to overturn it or not...where as in the pros the Referee on the field makes that decision. Not sure how much that has to do with the timing aspect either.

If I understand the process, the replay official is looking at every play as they happen and can call down if there is any doubt about the call on the field. Maybe someone can shed some more detail on the process of college replay.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If I understand the process, the replay official is looking at every play as they happen and can call down if there is any doubt about the call on the field. Maybe someone can shed some more detail on the process of college replay.

The Official Athletic Site of the Atlantic Coast Conference - Football (http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/fbofficialsreplay.html)

Unlike the NFL, every play in college football is reviewed by the Replay Official in the press box. If the Replay Official believes the previous play was ruled in error and the play had a direct, competitive impact on the game, he may stop play for review by paging the officials on the field.

The only other way a play can be reviewed is if the head coach challenges the previous play. However, each team is limited to only one challenge per game, regardless of the outcome of any previous challenge. If a coach challenges a play, and the play is not reversed, the challenging team will lose a timeout.

[molson]

I do prefer the NFL version, at least they worked replay into the strategy of the game.

I too, though, am in the minority that could do without it. You see a play but you can't really react to it. You know that nothing really "happened" until the next stap is taken and review is precluded. I think you do lose something when as a fan, the climactic part is really that next snap, not the play before it, after which you're just waiting for a replay and red flag.

The same could happen in other sports if they overdue replay - "looks like a potentially great play but we'll have to wait for five minutes to be sure.................................................yes, it turns out it was a great play, carry on".

Of course, it's necessary to accept ref mistakes as part of the game to have this view at all. And someone made the point about not accepting mistakes in general, which I think is a good one. People who freak out on refs are probably the same people that freak out on waitresses messing up an order. It's like a sense of entitlement. .

[BillJasper]

I do prefer the NFL version, at least they worked replay into the strategy of the game.



But do we want 'the right call' being subject to strategy?

[stevew]

I love how Favre is talking about how he's going to test his ankle and give it a shot to help his team win. As if he's going to contribute at 40% health. Childress needs to bench him now. Give him 3 weeks to try to get healed. They have awesome offensive weapons. Surely if TJack can hold onto the ball, they can win 2 of 3 with him in there.

[stevew]

More specifically I'm pissed off at the martyrdom he is using. As if he's going to be an effective weapon. But he's going to gut it out and hope for the best and put his career on the line.

puke

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Brett-Favre-Uses-Ankle-To-Recreate-Retirement-Drama-All-Over-Again-106107663.html

Magary makes many of the same points.

[stevew]

good find

I wonder if anyone has done any type of study on interceptions thrown to linebackers/dline vs ones thrown to defensive backs. I'd have to think any pick that doesn't reach the secondary is most likely extremely ill-advised. It's forgiveable to throw at Revis and make a mistake, but if you're throwing balls off the chest of AJ Hawk, you fuckin suck.

[stevew]

Brett Favre Is A Bitch (http://deadspin.com/5672552/brett-favre-is-a-bitch)

[johnnyshaka]

I wonder if anyone has done any type of study on interceptions thrown to linebackers/dline vs ones thrown to defensive backs. I'd have to think any pick that doesn't reach the secondary is most likely extremely ill-advised. It's forgiveable to throw at Revis and make a mistake, but if you're throwing balls off the chest of AJ Hawk, you fuckin suck.

I'm not sure I understand your logic here. I would think the benefits of throwing it at a LB would be much higher than throwing it at a highly regarded CB...no? Isn't the mistake made when you throw it Revis' way in the first place?

[stevew]

I'm not sure I understand your logic here. I would think the benefits of throwing it at a LB would be much higher than throwing it at a highly regarded CB...no? Isn't the mistake made when you throw it Revis' way in the first place?

I tend to think that downfield interceptions tend to serve the same purpose as a punt in most cases. Whereas, if you're getting balls picked within 10 yards of the LOS, you're either forcing the ball or making horrible reads. I think anyways.

[LloydLungs]

Brett Favre Is A Bitch (http://deadspin.com/5672552/brett-favre-is-a-bitch)

Favre wants to use the injury as an excuse when he fucks up, and then he wants the injury played up as icing to whatever futile catch-up TD he throws five minutes later. LOOK EVERYONE! IT'S A MIRACLE! HE'S STILL GOT SOME BULLETS LEFT IN THE GUN! HE'S BRAVER THAN ANNE FRANK!

:lol:

[Ksyrup]

But do we want 'the right call' being subject to strategy?

Exacly. The NFL replay system has always been a joke for this reason. You don't implement replay for strategy, you do it to get plays right. Why force coaches to decide which calls (and how many during a game) are worth challenging - based on a quick glance at a replay by someone up in a booth telling the coach whether to challenge - rather than simply employing a replay official who sits upstairs and whose job it is to do nothing but review every play and decide whether it should be reviewed for an incorrect call?

I really don't care about the time involved. Get the calls right - that's what a replay system is for.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i wouldn't argue favre's performance on the field or his sympathy theatrics. but 90% of the backlash is a direct result of the media's obsession with all things favre.

instead of 24 hour analysis of will he or won't he(continue the streak/come back for another season/talk about his dick) how nice would it be if it was just:

eye candy sportscaster: is he coming back?
nfl insider: he says he doesn't know. which probably means yes.
eye candy sportscaster: sounds good. on to baseball-

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's like a sense of entitlement. .

Not sure how getting what you're paying for is "entitlement" but {shrug}.

[stevew]

They really need ESPN4, aka "the Favre".

[stevew]

ESPN6 can be dedicated to LeBron James and the Miami Heat.

[Matthean]

Here's what no one seems to be talking about regarding Brett Favre's ankle: How is it No. 4 was able to do his running and jumping crazy-man celebration thing after he thought he threw that game-winning touchdown pass to Percy Harvin in the final seconds, but then he could barely walk up the tunnel moments later? Just sayin'.

Read more: NFL Power Rankings for Week 8 has 49ers in basement - Don Banks - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/10/27/power-rankings-week-8-3/index.html#ixzz13gkSvXIy)

The articles on Favre made me hunt this down.

[jbergey22]

The articles on Favre made me hunt this down.

In regards to that article the answer is Epinephrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine)

I've had it happen to me where when the game was being played it was fine and two hours later I couldnt walk. Adrenaline tends to kill pain temporarily until it wears off and the pain is excruciating.

An educated reporter should have known the answer to this. Pierre Thomas hurt his ankle 4 weeks ago came back in the game and hasnt played a down since.

[RainMaker]

I do prefer the NFL version, at least they worked replay into the strategy of the game.
My gripe with the NFL system is that it takes too long and kills the flow of the game. I don't understand why they can't just have a licensed official in the booth who can give them an answer real quick to the call instead of making the one on the field go under the hood. Especially on obvious calls.

[miami_fan]

Of course, it's necessary to accept ref mistakes as part of the game to have this view at all. And someone made the point about not accepting mistakes in general, which I think is a good one. People who freak out on refs are probably the same people that freak out on waitresses messing up an order. It's like a sense of entitlement. .

If I go to McDonald's and order a happy meal and the person gets the order wrong, I can accept that. If I go to a resturant and I am paying $1,000 a plate, I am less willing to accept the mistake.

Sports have become big business. I know, no newsflash there. As a result, mistakes by anyone are less likely to be forgiven. Refs are a part of that.

[jbergey22]

In other news as expected Brett Favre is starting this week.

[Lathum]

This slate of 1:00 games may be the worst ever. Outside of Jets-PAckers there are no games that are even decent.

[Alan T]

This slate of 1:00 games may be the worst ever. Outside of Jets-PAckers there are no games that are even decent.


The 4:00 games aren't really that much better. Minnesota @ New England is the only one interesting, and I'm not sure either one is much more than a borderline playoff team.

[Lathum]

The 4:00 games aren't really that much better. Minnesota @ New England is the only one interesting, and I'm not sure either one is much more than a borderline playoff team.

I think there is a little more juice. Looking forward to seeing if the Raiders carry over their success and to see if the Chargers turn it around. On a whole I agree with you, lots of really good teams on byes this week.

[EagleFan]

I guess the Vikings gave up on winning? I hear they are starting that elderly shut in again.... Way to give up on the season...

[molson]

If I go to McDonald's and order a happy meal and the person gets the order wrong, I can accept that. If I go to a resturant and I am paying $1,000 a plate, I am less willing to accept the mistake.

Sports have become big business. I know, no newsflash there. As a result, mistakes by anyone are less likely to be forgiven. Refs are a part of that.

Perfect referees are impossible though. I don't care what you're paying per plate. You think all the refs are terrible? Fire them all and bring in the guys who didn't make the cut, let's see how that goes. If they're bad too - fire them, bring in some other guys off the street. If they miss calls too - hey, maybe by now we're to message board posters and superfan weridos who would absolutely never miss a call!

And who's the highest paid player out there today? Triple his salary and I guarantee he still makes mistakes of the field. No amount of money is going rid sports of mistakes (as if that was desirable goal in the first place).

I can see fans getting a little irrational about such things if they put down $1,000+ plus on a game, but I think plenty of the weirdo ref-hate is just an expression of superfandom. I actually think the people with real money on the game - the players, team executives, etc - don't freak out like the fans do, at least after the day of the game. They understand the nature of the game better. Brad Childress didn't like some calls last week but I bet he spent zero time calling in threats to referee's homes and businesses.

[Jughead Spock]

Geez. McNabb is getting the Cutler treatment in Detroit, on his back every play.

[Abe Sargent]

That's right Jags! Get that pick!

[Matthean]

Finally a Lions game I would want to watch due to Stafford being back and it's blacked out.

Went and got it on channelsurfing though.

[Lathum]

Chiefs should never ever throw the ball on third and one.

[Abe Sargent]

Good job at the goaline stand Jags! Eat it Cowboys! My favorite team vs my most hated teaM!

[EagleFan]

lol, love it. I bet they wish that challenge wasn't overturned and they kicked the field goal.

[wade moore]

That's right Jags! Get that pick!
Derek Cox, w00t!

[Abe Sargent]

Cox has had a monster first half. Lots of great tackles, stopped Kitna at the goaline, a pick

[EagleFan]

Oh, what were those announcers talking about on that third down play? You can see that when he first comes down his arm with the ball in it is on the ground and not in the endzone and then he reached forward. That was clear, no reason for them to replay that.

[SackAttack]

Dear Packers: there have been 16 regular season games since 1970 where the quarterback threw the ball at least 30 times with a completion rate at or under 35% and still managed to win the game.

There has been *one* game where the quarterback threw the ball 40 times with a completion rate at or under 35% and still won the game.

Once. In 40 years.

May I humbly suggest you either learn how to run the fucking ball, or start completing more passes?

[EagleFan]

Cox has had a monster first half. Lots of great tackles, stopped Kitna at the goaline, a pick

I don't know what Kitna was thinking on that play. I thought he had the touchdown if he stayed inside but then decides to cut to the outside where there was less room.

With that said.... great move Kitna!!!! :)

[wade moore]

Cox has had a monster first half. Lots of great tackles, stopped Kitna at the goaline, a pick

Yeah, that's what I hear - no Sunday Ticket here though.

I know he had a terrible game in Week 1 and seems to have been in the doghouse ever since. Nice to see that the last couple of weeks he's gotten PT again and now is making plays.

[EagleFan]

lol, had th halftime show on and only listening but not watching and I hear...

The Jets with a fake field goal deep in their own territory....

My first thought was "WTF?"

Then hit rewind to see it was a fake punt (obvious mispeak by the announcer).

[Abe Sargent]

Cox with a 2nd pick

[tucker rocky]

"Wade Phillips, Jerry Jones needs to see you."

(Jerry Jones)> "Lets cut to the chase Wade, here is your pink slip, goodbye".

[Danny]

But wasn't Romo to blame for their failures?

[stevew]

is anyone else getting shaky audio from FOX? I can't watch the game the way this drops out.

[Thomkal]

And the Panthers and Matt Moore back to their usual terrible themselves, 3rd INT for Moore today I think

[SirFozzie]

There is some seriously stinky football being played today.

[Abe Sargent]

There is some seriously stinky football being played today.

Not by my team!

[wade moore]

Cox with a 2nd pick


w0000t!! Thanks for the heads up Abe!

[Crapshoot]

The 49ers - Broncos game ought be called on the mercy rule... and I mean for the mercy of fans of either team, or the 60K people in London watching it.

[wade moore]

Wait..

You can't return an intercepted 2 point attempt?!

[cmp]

Wait..

You can't return an intercepted 2 point attempt?!

Only in college.

[GrantDawg]

Has Sanchez thrown passes on target at all this year? Because it seems like he has been off all day.

[Matthean]

Detroit and Washington are going to be spending extra time working on special teams this week.

[Thomkal]

And yet another Panthers INT after they got within 10 points

[bhlloy]

I love the Sanchez hate. His receivers have now dropped 8 passes today. Cotchery just dropped three in a row that I would expect an NFL receiver to come down with. And the QB on the other side of the field who is supposed to be one of the NFL's best has been even worse and hasn't made a play all day. But sure, let's focus on Sanchez.

The Jets offense is horrible, and it's partly his fault. He's not accurate or consistent enough to be truly great and I don't know if he'll ever get there. But it goes way beyond that. Too many gimmick plays that lose big yardage. A running game that isn't able to get the tough yards. I'm stunned that Schottenheimer seems to be the new chic pick for a HC position next year because I think his offense and his playcalling stinks.

[GrantDawg]

I love the Sanchez hate. His receivers have now dropped 8 passes today. Cotchery just dropped three in a row that I would expect an NFL receiver to come down with. And the QB on the other side of the field who is supposed to be one of the NFL's best has been even worse and hasn't made a play all day. But sure, let's focus on Sanchez.

The Jets offense is horrible, and it's partly his fault. He's not accurate or consistent enough to be truly great and I don't know if he'll ever get there. But it goes way beyond that. Too many gimmick plays that lose big yardage. A running game that isn't able to get the tough yards. I'm stunned that Schottenheimer seems to be the new chic pick for a HC position next year because I think his offense and his playcalling stinks.


Please take a very large chill pill. I was asking a question because could give a crap one way or another. I haven't watch him at all till today, and he looked to me like he was prone to slightly over-throw/under-throw from my observation. I would have to care about him to "hate."

[bhlloy]

Not a shot at you personally, just a combination of what I've seen on this board in the past and what I'm seeing around the interwebs already. I guess it just comes with the territory of playing QB in New York.

[Greyroofoo]

The Lions have actually gotten my hopes up!

[SackAttack]

Barring a Jets miracle, Aaron Rodgers is going to become just the third quarterback in the last 40 years to win a road game in which he completed ~44% of a minimum of 34 passes.

[GrantDawg]

Not a shot at you personally, just a combination of what I've seen on this board in the past and what I'm seeing around the interwebs already. I guess it just comes with the territory of playing QB in New York.


Np. I wasn't asking about Rodgers because I knew what his problem is. I was sort of hoping the Jets would pull this game out, and it has to suck watching your team only give up 9 points and lose.

[Big Fo]

Alright, the Dolphins won and the Jets lost. C'mon Vikings, make it a perfect NFL Sunday.

[Thomkal]

man lots of general suckage by teams this week so far

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Rex Grossman?

[Matthean]

Whoa, a Rex sighting.

And you can figure out what happened next. :p

[M GO BLUE!!!]

TOUCHDOWN SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!


Hahahaha, this feels GOOD!

[wade moore]

Only in college.

That's ridiculous imo. You should have a chance to return it for 2.

[wade moore]

TOUCHDOWN SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!


Hahahaha, this feels GOOD!

Someone should teach dumbass Suh not to celebrate too early - he's lucky Moss isn't smart enough to go straight for the ball.

[FF]

you mad?

why'd mcnabb get pulled?

[Abe Sargent]

Rex Grossman? That's not a backup QB that inspires confidence

[Matthean]

why'd mcnabb get pulled?

If he's hurt, that's as healthy of a hurt person I have seen.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Someone should teach dumbass Suh not to celebrate too early - he's lucky Moss isn't smart enough to go straight for the ball.

True. But the way Suh just turned around like "Oh, you think you can take MY ball?" :lol:

[Thomkal]

And icing the kicker works not once but twice as both Buffalo and KC miss on the second attempt after making it on the first. Really really wish they stop allowing that, but then again, today's kickers really should be expecting and training for that possibility happening

[Greyroofoo]

Always nice to see a Detroit victory!

[Thomkal]

well Gary Guyton, welcome you are the first contestant on the new enforcements on head to head contact after a tackle on Favre

[Alan T]

And icing the kicker works not once but twice as both Buffalo and KC miss on the second attempt after making it on the first. Really really wish they stop allowing that, but then again, today's kickers really should be expecting and training for that possibility happening


To be fair, that KC kick looked great until the wind blew it out. I don't know how strong the winds are there, but that was crazy.

[Thomkal]

To be fair, that KC kick looked great until the wind blew it out. I don't know how strong the winds are there, but that was crazy.

Yeah that was a pretty nasty gust of wind there

[Pumpy Tudors]

After today, I don't think the Bills deserve to win another football game ever. Ever.

[stevew]

Calvin Johnson won my fantasy game

[miami_fan]

Perfect referees are impossible though. I don't care what you're paying per plate. You think all the refs are terrible? Fire them all and bring in the guys who didn't make the cut, let's see how that goes. If they're bad too - fire them, bring in some other guys off the street. If they miss calls too - hey, maybe by now we're to message board posters and superfan weridos who would absolutely never miss a call!

And who's the highest paid player out there today? Triple his salary and I guarantee he still makes mistakes of the field. No amount of money is going rid sports of mistakes (as if that was desirable goal in the first place).

I can see fans getting a little irrational about such things if they put down $1,000+ plus on a game, but I think plenty of the weirdo ref-hate is just an expression of superfandom. I actually think the people with real money on the game - the players, team executives, etc - don't freak out like the fans do, at least after the day of the game. They understand the nature of the game better. Brad Childress didn't like some calls last week but I bet he spent zero time calling in threats to referee's homes and businesses.

No one is saying that there should be perfect referees. What I am saying is that officials are not beyond being criticized. In every walk of life, people make mistakes and are criticized for it. Even if they do their jobs well most of the time. The official are professionals too.

Again, no is saying that officials should be receiving death threats or nonsense like that. But how many people actually do that? I would say that it is less than one percent of those that criticize officials. Every decision that is made in sports is judged in one way or another. I do not think officials should be be excluded from that.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Someone should teach dumbass Suh not to celebrate too early - he's lucky Moss isn't smart enough to go straight for the ball.

Dumbass Suh? He just drank the 'Skins' milshake.

AHHHHH!!!!

[Greyroofoo]

The was quite the catch by the Patriot guy

[miami_fan]

Uh, why Chilly?

[tucker rocky]

Why is Childress challenging that last play?

[Greyroofoo]

I think he was puzzled by the physics of a football passing right through the Vikings defender.

[bulletsponge]

Why is Childress challenging that last play?

cause hes an idiot

[k0ruptr]

Favre looking pretty bad again. Without Peterson this Vikings team wouldn't have a single win this year.

[AFShadow]

Nice run by Chris Johnson 30 yards but he crossed the entire field after being bottled up on one side. We will be seeing this play on NFL network on 25 years.

[miami_fan]

So you don't take the three points there? I am so confused.

[Schmidty]

Calvin Johnson won my fantasy game

I forgot to put him in. :(

[tucker rocky]

So you don't take the three points there? I am so confused.

Childress is so confused.

[stevew]

Tucker Tigers looking bad in regular season.

[EagleFan]

That's just wrong...

"Brady pitching a tent back there..."

That's a little more observation than I require...

[jeff061]

That's just wrong...

"Brady pitching a tent back there..."

That's a little more observation than I require...

lol, thought the same.

Pats D really is incredibly similar to their super bowl years. Hopefully that's still the case a few months from now.

[stevew]

Love #91 from the patriots.

[bulletsponge]

Favre knocked out of the game. Jacksons in

[Eaglesfan27]

Tavaris Jackson in for Favre and he throws a TD on his first play.

[stevew]

TJax!

[BillJasper]

Jackson throws a Touchdown!

[stevew]

Hell of a catch on the 2 point conversion.

[BillJasper]

Two pretty decent throws by Jackson. Lol!

[DaddyTorgo]

Ugh. C'mon Pats defense!

[Matthean]

With Jackson in the Pats can't count on the standard game ending Favre INT to kill the Vikings' chance. :lol:

[Eaglesfan27]

With Jackson in the Pats can't count on the standard game ending Favre INT to kill the Vikings' chance. :lol:

:D

[bulletsponge]

bet its a broken jaw + mild concussion

[DaddyTorgo]

huge back to back 3rd down conversions from that Pats there...

[BillJasper]

Why aren't the Vikings playing the run? Lol!

[jbergey22]

Why aren't the Vikings playing the run? Lol!

They are clueless.

[jbergey22]

Where's jbergey to tell us all how much worse Jackson is than Favre this year?

Whats the point? So I can deal with more of your crap?

[Matthean]

My guess is the next time Favre says he's retired he'll mean it. This season has been Halloween for him.

[jbergey22]

My guess is the next time Favre says he's retired he'll mean it. This season has been Halloween for him.

Yeah this is it. He is in pain.

He actually stuck to the gameplan well today. Unfortunately the defense decided to call it quits in the 2nd half.

[larrymcg421]

OMG, what an amazing throw from Freeman to Benn!

[jeff061]

My guess is the next time Favre says he's retired he'll mean it. This season has been Halloween for him.


Only because no one is going to be dumb enough to dangle 20+ mil in front of him. I almost don't blame him this year. I think he truly wanted to retire, but that's a lot of money and he didn't even to go to camp.

[Thomkal]

Okay so just got the Cards game here-saw three plays-the TD by Tampa, the kickoff, and the Cardinals fumbling the ball away-can I turn the game off now? :::sigh:::

Did Max Hall get replaced due to injury or poor performance?

[jbergey22]

Okay so just got the Cards game here-saw three plays-the TD by Tampa, the kickoff, and the Cardinals fumbling the ball away-can I turn the game off now? :::sigh:::

Did Max Hall get replaced due to injury or poor performance?

Id hope to poor performance. He threw 2 pic 6's in the first half.

[Thomkal]

wow big block of the FG by the Cards and big sack the play before

[Thomkal]

Id hope to poor performance. He threw 2 pic 6's in the first half.

ah yes that would be poor performance then

[Thomkal]

nice to see the Cards offense come to life with all their receivers healthy for the first time this season

[larrymcg421]

Holy shit, what an amazing play by Blount!

[MJ4H]

EPIC run by mr. punchy himself

[flounder]

Legarrette Blount with a punch to the jaw of Arizona.

[Thomkal]

And on cue Derek Anderson throws an INT near the end zone after doing a nice job of driving down the field. Then TB runs the ball about 50 yards on the first play after the INT. :::sigh:::

[Thomkal]

Yes even I have to admit that was a sweet run

[stevew]

So, he goes undrafted cause of that wuss punch?

[stevew]

My bad, he laid hands on someone from Boise State, aka God's Children.

[Thomkal]

okay so on last play of the game lets throw a ball to the sidelines so Fitzgerald gets forced out of bounds instead of a play where he could run down the field towards the end zone. :::sigh:::

[larrymcg421]

okay so on last play of the game lets throw a ball to the sidelines so Fitzgerald gets forced out of bounds instead of a play where he could run down the field towards the end zone. :::sigh:::

The idea was to get closer for the hail mary. The play just took too long.

[DaddyTorgo]

LMAO

Randy Moss comes out: "Lemme start off by saying...I got fined 25k for not talking to you all a couple weeks ago, so from here on out I'm not going to answer any questions. If there's going to be any interviews I'll ask the questions myself and answer them. Now here's my statement."

Follows that up by saying: "No disrespect to the Vikings, but I miss the guys on the Patriots."

Heh...if he hadn't complained about wanting a new contract and started acting out, he'd still be here. Stupid guy.

[jeff061]

lol.

Who knows if he'd still be here or not. I haven't the faintest idea what exactly transpired leading up to his exit. Pats are certainly a different team without him. Offense has clearly taken a step down(hopefully getting better though), except now they show up in the situations where they used to fold.

[wade moore]

Dumbass Suh? He just drank the 'Skins' milshake.

AHHHHH!!!!

Yes, dumbass Suh.

That boneheaded showboating could have cost his team the game.

[DaddyTorgo]

lol.

Who knows if he'd still be here or not. I haven't the faintest idea what exactly transpired leading up to his exit. Pats are certainly a different team without him. Offense has clearly taken a step down(hopefully getting better though), except now they show up in the situations where they used to fold.

That's true - I probably shouldn't have stated that as a definitive. I just found it funny...didn't take him long to come off like "man I'm sorry I ran myself out of town with my actions."

[Scoobz0202]

Yea, I just saw the play. Fortunately for the Lions it worked out but what an idiot. Everytime I see that shit happen I hope and pray it backfires. Unfortunately, this time it didn't.

(I actually like seeing the Lions do well. But that shit is annoying)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Yes, dumbass Suh.

That boneheaded showboating could have cost his team the game.

Nah. Suh's too good to let that happen. :)

Though he did admit he had no idea Santa Moss was behind him.

[jeff061]

LOL, full Moss transcript. Verbatim: Randy Moss - NFC North Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/18804/verbatim-randy-moss)

I think this outpaces the post-Cincy lunacy.

[stevew]

fuckin unreal. Can't get 6 inches on the Saints.

[jeff061]

I'm sure I am way late to the game. But just realized NBC streams the game live over the internet. And even better gives you the option to change which camera angle your feed comes from at anytime(even picture in picture with 2 feeds).

[QuikSand]

Agonizing stretch today. I'm in a modest "winner per week" pool, which is already down to 3 people, looking to divvy up over $800. My pick (STL) won already, and had the Bills held on for either a win or tie against the Chiefs, I would have locked it all up right there. Ugh.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Ike showing off his swagger.

[molson]

I would love to see TJ take the Vikings on a little run now.

That was a sick injury to Favre. It's not often you see a guy carted off the field on his side, almost in a fetal position, with a trainer type looking like he's holding his face in place.

Hard to believe the Pats are all alone with the best record in the NFL. That haven't really played like it, and they're definitely not the best team. But that's a nice cushion for an AFC playoff spot if nothing else.