Fictional Character Draft Thread

[Barkeep49]

This will be the thread for the Fictional Chracter draft.

Drafters:
Danny
Izulde
Mustang
DeToxRox
larrymcg
wade moore
spleen
Lathum

Rules are:
1. You MUST pick 1 and only 1 of all of the character types.
2. You MUST pick 1 and only 1 of all of the creator types.
3. A SPECIFIC creator can only be selected once by anyone in the entire draft.
4. Religious figures are not eligible to be drafted
5. We will wait a maximum of 6 hours daytime hours before going to the next person. You may send barkeep49 a list so he can draft for you in your absence. This rule is suspended on the weekends.
6. At time of drafting you must declare:
A. What Character you are Drafting and for which Character Type
B. Who the Creator is and which Creator Type they are
7. Voting will occur at the conclusion of the draft, but enjoying the draft is important and any rule decisions will be made in that spirit.

Character Types:
Movie Character
Literary Character
Television Character
Play/Musical/Operatic (Live Performance) Character
Comic/Animated Character
Computer/Video Game Character
Hero
Villain
Female Character
Child Character

Creator Types:
Pre-19th Century Creation
19th Century Creation
Pre-WWII 20th Century Creation (1900-1945)
Cold War Creation (1945-1990)
Modern Day Creation (1990-Present)
Female Creator
Multiple Person Creator
One Great Work Creator (Creator associated with only one work)
Unknown/Anonymous Creator
Non-European/American Creator

Draft Order Odd Rounds:
1. DeToxRox
2. Danny
3. Lathum
4. wade moore
5. spleen
6. Mustang
7. larrymcg
8. Izulde

Draft Order Even Rounds:
1. Izulde
2. larrymcg
3. Mustang
4. spleen
5. wade moore
6. Lathum
7. Danny
8. DeToxRox

[Barkeep49]

List of Picks in Order

1.1 DeToxRox - George Costanza, TV Character, Modern Day (Larry David)
1.2 Danny - Darth Vader, Villain, Cold War Creation (George Lucas)
1.3 Lathum - Harry Potter, Child, Female Creator (JK Rowling)
1.4 wade moore - Superman, Comic/Animated Character, Multiple Creators (Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster)
1.5 spleen - Robin Hood, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
1.6 mustang - Sherlock Holmes, Literary, 19th Century Creator (Arthur Conan Doyle)
1.7 larrymcg - Dracula, Villain, 19th Century (Bram Stroker)
1.8 Izulde - Iago, Villain, Pre-19th Century (Shakespeare)

2.1 Izulde - Omar, Television Character, Modern Day (Larry Simon)
2.2 larrymcg - King Arthur, Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation
2.3 Mustang - Batman, Comic/Animated, Cold War (Bob Kane/Bill Finger)
2.4 spleen - Huckleberry Finn, Child Character, 19th Century (Mark Twain)
2.5 wade moore - Holden Caulfield, Child Character, One Great Work (JD Salinger)
2.6 Lathum - Roland the Gunslinger, Literary, Cold War (Stephen King)
2.7 Danny - Frankenstein's Monster, Literary, Female (Mary Shelley)
2.8 DeToxRox - Cartman, Child, Multiple Creators (Trey Parker & Matt Stone)

3.1 DeToxRox - Mario, Computer/Video Game, Cold War Creation (Shigreu Miyamoto)
3.2 Danny - Homer Simpson, Comic/Animated Character, Modern Day (Matt Groenig)
3.3 Lathum - Frodo Baggins, Hero, Pre-WWII Creation (JRR Tolkien)
3.4 wade moore - PacMan, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (Tōru Iwatani)
3.5 spleen - Hello Kitty, Female Character, Non-European/American Creator (Yuko Shimizu)
3.6 Mustang - Grim Reaper, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
3.7 larrymcg - Mickey Mouse - Comic/Animated Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Walt Disney & Ub Iwerks)
3.8 Izulde - Lara Craft, Female Character, Multiple Person Creator

4.1 Izulde - Tony Montana, Movie Character, Cold War Creation
4.2 larrymcg - Beowulf, Literary, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
4.3 Mustang - Captain James T. Kirk, Hero, One Great Work (Gene Roddenberry)
4.4 spleen - Moby Dick, Villain, One Great Work (Herman Meilville)
4.5 wade moore - James Bond, Movie Character, Cold War Era (Ian Fleming)
4.6 Lathum - The Phantom of the Opera, Live Performance Character, Multiple creators (Andrew Lloyd Webber and Charles Hart)
4.7 Danny - Optimus Prime, Hero, Multiple Creators
4.8 DeToxRox - Godzilla, Villain, One Great Work (Tomoyuki Tanaka)

5.1 DeToxRox - Santa Claus, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
5.2 Danny - Alice, Child, 19th Century (Lewis Carrol)
5.3 Lathum - Beavis, Comic/Animated, Modern Day (Mike Judge)
5.4 wade moore - Tony Soprano, Television, Modern Day (David Chase)
5.5 spleen - Medusa, movie, Pre-19th Century
5.6 Mustang - Little Orphan Annie, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (Harold Gray)
5.7 larrymcg - Scarlett O'Hara, Female Character, Female Creator (Margaret Mitchell)
5.8 Izulde - Lolita, Child,

6.1 Izulde - Philip Marlowe, Literary Character, Pre-World War II 20th Century (Raymond Chandler)
6.2 larrymcg - Sonic the Hedgehog, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (ViYuji Naka, Naoto Ōshima)
6.3 Mustang - Master Chief, Computer/Video Game, Modern Creation
6.4 spleen - Bugs Bunny, Comic/Annimation, Pre-WWII (Tex Avery)
6.5 wade moore - Odysseus, Hero, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
6.6 Lathum - Hester Prynne, Female, 19th Century (Nathaniel Hawthorn)
6.7 Danny - Mother Nature, Female, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
6.8 DeToxRox - Ichabad Crane, Literary Character, 19th Century (Washington Irvine)

7.1 DeToxRox - Dorthy Gale, Female, Pre-WWII (L. Frank Baum)
7.2 Danny - Solid Snake, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Hideo Kojima)
7.3 Lathum - Samus Arun, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Makoto Kano)
7.4 wade moore - Peter Pan, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (JM Barrie)
7.5 spleen - Mary Poppins, Literary, Female Creator (PL Travers)
7.6 Mustang - Cinderella, Female Character, Pre-19th Century Creator (Perrault)
7.7 larrymcg - Pinnochio, Child, One Great Work (Carlo Collodi)
7.8 Izulde - Nora Helmer, Live Performance, 19th Century (Ibsen)

8.1 Izulde - Sir Gawain, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
8.2 larrymcg - Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, TV Character, Cold War Creation (Jesse Delamotte)
8.3 Mustang - Sailor Moon, Child, Non-European/American Creator (Naoko Takeuchi)
8.4 spleen - Archie Bunker, Television, Cold War (Norman Lear)
8.5 wade moore - Jane Eyre, Female Character, Female Creator (Charlotte Bronte)
8.6 Lathum - Boogeyman, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
8.7 Danny - Lucy Ricardo, TV
8.8 DeToxRox - Dido Queen of Carthrage, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Christopher Marlowe)

9.1 DeToxRox - Mary Catherine Gallagher, Female, Female Creator (Molly Shannon)
9.2 Danny - Oediupus, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Sophocles)
9.3 Lathum - Peter Griffin, TV, One Great Work (Seth McFarland)
9.4 wade moore - Big Bad Wolf, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous
9.5 spleen - Danny Zuko, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Jim Jacobs & Warren Casey)
9.6 Mustang - Lestat de Lioncourt, Movie, Female Creator (Anne Rice)
9.7 larrymcg - Tommy "Pinball Wizard" Walker, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Pete Townshend & Des McAnuff)
9.8 Izulde - Chi, Comic/Animated Character, Female Creator (CLAMP)

10.1 Izulde - Nameless One, Computer/Video Game Creator, One Great Work (Chris Avellone)
10.2 larrymcg - Keyser Soze, Movie Character, Modern Day Creation (Christopher McQuarrie)
10.3 Mustang - Hawkeye Pierce, TV, Multiple Creators
10.4 Spleen - Gordon Freeman, Computer/Video Game Character, Modern Day Creation
10.5 wade moore - Hunchback of Notre Dame, Literary, 19th Century (Victor Hugo)
10.6 Lathum - Zeus, Movie, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
10.7 Danny - Charles Foster Kane, Movie Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Orson Welles)
10.8 DeToxRox - Ichi the Killer, Movie Character, Non-European/American Character (Hideo Yamamoto)

[Barkeep49]

List of Characters by Drafter

Note: Will only be updated after the completion of a round

DeToxRox
1.1 George Costanza, TV Character, Modern Day (Larry David)
2.8 Cartman, Child, Multiple Creators (Trey Parker & Matt Stone)
3.1 Mario, Computer/Video Game, Cold War Creation (Shigreu Miyamoto)
4.8 Godzilla, Villain, One Great Work (Tomoyuki Tanaka)
5.1 Santa Claus, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
6.8 Ichabad Crane, Literary Character, 19th Century (Washington Irvine)
7.1 Dorthy Gale, Female, Pre-WWII (Frank Oz)
8.8 Dido Queen of Carthrage, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Christopher Marlowe)
9.1 Mary Catherine Gallagher, Female, Female Creator (Molly Shannon)
10.8 Ichi the Killer, Movie Character, Non-European/American Character (Hideo Yamamoto)

Danny
1.2 Darth Vader, Villain, Cold War Creation (George Lucas)
2.7 Frankenstein's Monster, Literary, Female (Mary Shelley)
3.2 Homer Simpson, Comic/Animated Character, Modern Day (Matt Groenig)
4.7 Optimus Prime, Hero, Multiple Creators
5.2 Alice, Child, 19th Century (Lewis Carrol)
6.7 Mother Nature, Female, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
7.2 Solid Snake, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Hideo Kojima)
8.7 Lucy Ricardo, TV, One Great Work
9.2 Oediupus, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Sophocles)
10.7 Charles Foster Kane, Movie Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Orson Welles)

Lathum
1.3 Harry Potter, Child, Female Creator (JK Rowling)
2.7 Roland the Gunslinger, Literary, Cold War (Stephen King)
3.3 Frodo Baggins, Hero, Pre-WWII Creation (JRR Tolkien)
4.6 The Phantom of the Opera, Play/Musical/Operatic (Live Performance) Character, Multiple creators (Andrew Lloyd Webber and Charles Hart)
5.3 Beavis, Comic/Animated, Modern Day (Mike Judge)
6.6 Hester Prynne, Female, 19th Century (Nathaniel Hawthorn)
7.3 Samus Arun, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Makoto Kano)
8.6 Boogeyman, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
9.3 Peter Griffin, TV, One Great Work (Seth McFarland)
10.7 Zeus, Movie, Unknown/Anonymous Creator

wade moore
1.4 Superman, Comic/Animated Character, Multiple Creators (Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster)
2.5 Holden Caulfield, Child Character, One Great Work (JD Salinger)
3.4 PacMan, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (Tōru Iwatani)
4.5 James Bond, Movie Character, Cold War Era (Ian Fleming)
5.4 Tony Soprano, Television, Modern Day (David Chase)
6.5 Odysseus, Hero, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
7.4 Peter Pan, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (JM Barrie)
8.5 Jane Eyre, Female Character, Female Creator (Charlotte Bronte)
9.4 Big Bad Wolf, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous
10.5 Hunchback of Notre Dame, Literary, 19th Century (Victor Hugo)

spleen
1.5 Robin Hood, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous
2.4 Huckleberry Finn, Child Character, 19th Century (Mark Twain)
3.5 Hello Kitty, Female Character, Non-European/American Creator (Yuko Shimizu)
4.4 Moby Dick, Villain, One Great Work (Herman Meilville)
5.5 Medusa, movie, Pre-19th Century
6.4 Bugs Bunny, Comic/Annimation, Pre-WWII (Tex Avery)
7.5 Mary Poppins, Literary, Female Creator (PL Travers)
8.4 Archie Bunker, Television, Cold War (Norman Lear)
9.5 Danny Zuko, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Jim Jacobs & Warren Casey)
10.4 Gordon Freeman, Computer/Video Game Character, Modern Day Creation

mustang
1.6 Sherlock Holmes, Literary, 19th Century (Arthur Conan Doyle)
2.3 Batman, Comic/Animated, Cold War (Bob Kane/Bill Finger)
3.6 Grim Reaper, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
4.3 Captain James T. Kirk, Hero, One Great Work (Gene Roddenberry)
5.6 Little Orphan Annie, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (Harold Gray)
6.3 Master Chief, Computer/Video Game, Modern Creation
7.6 Cinderella, Female Character, Pre-19th Century Creator (Perrault)
8.3 Sailor Moon, Child, Non-European/American Creator (Naoko Takeuchi)
9.6 Lestat de Lioncourt, Movie, Female Creator (Anne Rice)
10.3 Hawkeye Pierce, TV, Multiple Creators

larrymcg
1.7 Dracula, Villain, 19th Century (Bram Stroker)
2.2 King Arthur, Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation
3.7 Mickey Mouse - Comic/Animated Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Walt Disney & Ub Iwerks)
4.2 Beowulf, Literary, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
5.7 Scarlett O'Hara, Female Character, Female Creator (Margaret Mitchell)
6.2 Sonic the Hedgehog, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (ViYuji Naka, Naoto Ōshima)
7.7 Pinnochio, Child, One Great Work (Carlo Collodi)
8.2 Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, TV Character, Cold War Creation (Jesse Delamotte)
9.7 Tommy "Pinball Wizard" Walker, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Pete Townshend & Des McAnuff)
10.2 Keyser Soze, Movie Character, Modern Day Creation (Christopher McQuarrie)

Izule
1.8 Iago, Villain, Pre-19th Century (Shakespeare)
2.1 Omar, Television Character, Modern Day (Larry Simon)
3.8 Lara Craft, Female Character, Multiple Person Creator
4.1 Tony Montana, Movie Character, Cold War Creation
5.8 Lolita, Child, Non-European/American
6.1 Philip Marlowe, Literary Character, Pre-World War II 20th Century (Raymond Chandler)
7.8 Nora Helmer, Live Performance, 19th Century (Ibsen)
8.1 Sir Gawain, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
9.8 Chi, Comic/Animated Character, Female Creator (CLAMP)
10.1 Nameless One, Computer/Video Game Creator, One Great Work (Chris Avellone)

[Barkeep49]

With that I believe DeTox is on the clock. As mentioned above if you can't be around please PM me a list of people who you'd like to draft and I will be happy to draft in your absence. I will also post any accompanying commentary should you wish.

[DeToxRox]

Okay, one second.

[DeToxRox]

Not gonna lie, still confused a bit by the rules so if this isn't correct please tell me. I figure after I see a few more picks I'll get it.


1.1 - George Costanza, Television character
Created by Larry David, Modern Day

Probably the best television character over the last twenty years. I am probably hurting myself going so current but fuck it. He's an icon.

[Lathum]

my understanding is no one can take another Larry David creation

[DeToxRox]

my understanding is no one can take another Larry David creation

That's what I believe too.

I am already realizing how hard this is going to get.

[Danny]

1.2 Darth Vader, Villian
Cold War Creation

[Danny]

No more George Lucas

[Lathum]

Was going to take Vader

[Lathum]

1.3- Harry Potter

JK Rowling

Female Creator

[Lathum]

I doubt Wade is awake, looks like we will be stalled until morning

[Danny]

Was going to take Vader

I actually thought he would go first, so I was happy to get him

[Lathum]

I actually thought he would go first, so I was happy to get him

me too, but I am just as happy with Harry Potter. Easily the most iconic literary character of the last 50 years. And honestly, maybe ever.

[DeToxRox]

I've never seen a single Star Wars. Obviously I know about the films but I was pretty much plugged into taking Costanza from the beginning. Vader never crossed my mind.

[CrimsonFox]

Shia Lebeouf!

(Have fun guys, sorry I missed this as it looks fun but I'll come back to vote at the end.)

[CrimsonFox]

my understanding is no one can take another Larry David creation

So much for taking the Soup Nazi as villain then.

[eiskrap]

Not gonna lie, still confused a bit by the rules so if this isn't correct please tell me. I figure after I see a few more picks I'll get it.


1.1 - George Costanza, Television character
Created by Larry David, Modern Day

Probably the best television character over the last twenty years. I am probably hurting myself going so current but fuck it. He's an icon.

I had to google the 1.1 pick...

[wade moore]

I doubt Wade is awake, looks like we will be stalled until morning

Good guess there, I had been asleep for like 3 hours ;).

I wasn't prepared to be ready first thing, didn't know we'd roll so fast.

Let me get settled in at work and then I'll make my pick.

[Barkeep49]

1.3- Harry Potter

JK Rowling

Female Creator
Based on your PM I'm guessing you want him in the Child Character Type?

[wade moore]

1.3- Harry Potter

JK Rowling

Female Creator

Lathum - this needs a character type:

Movie Character
Literary Character
Television Character
Play/Musical/Operatic (Live Performance) Character
Comic/Animated Character
Computer/Video Game Character
Hero
Villain
Female Character
Child Character

[spleen1015]

Harry Potter would have been my #1 pick. You can't get any better than that and you take care of the Female Creator category with huge character.

[Barkeep49]

I think Darth Vader is a great pick and agree with spleen that Harry Potter's a wonderful character especially because do you get to finish out a tough character type.

As a huge Seinfeld fan I won't argue George, but wonder if he was the right 1.1

[3ric]

Agree with Barkeep, I think George was a reach at 1.1... Vader and HP would have been better choices there. Come to think of it, there is at least one more Star Wars character that would have been worthy.

[Lathum]

Yeah. Harry as a child

[wade moore]

1.4 - Superman - Comic/Animated Character - Multiple Person Creator [Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster]

Superman is THE original comic book super hero. Without him, we may not have comic book super heroes today. He transcends comics and is a worldwide superstar character across multiple mediums, but comics is where he was - born in Action Comics #1.

[wade moore]

Dola: Pretty excited because I would have taken Superman at 1.1

[spleen1015]

1.5 - Robin Hood - Hero - Unknown/Anonymous Creator

This may be too early, but I think this Creator category is going to be a little tough later on, so I went this way now.

[Barkeep49]

Dola: Pretty excited because I would have taken Superman at 1.1
I think there are a lot of great characters out there hence my curiosity to see how a draft would turn out. I'll be curious to see how it plays out in later rounds. Already we've lost some iconic characters with the George Lucas characters off the board.

[wade moore]

1.5 - Robin Hood - Hero - Unknown/Anonymous Creator

This may be too early, but I think this Creator category is going to be a little tough later on, so I went this way now.

Hood was on my list of 3 that I was debating between at 1.4. I think he's a solid, solid pick.

[wade moore]

Barkeep: Did Mustang give you a list last night? I know he said he'd have to basically totally work from a list.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep: Did Mustang give you a list last night? I know he said he'd have to basically totally work from a list.
He did not.

[Mustang]

crap guys. I did not think we were starting this morning otherwise I would have a list..

[Mustang]

Sherlock Holmes - 19th Century - Literary


Hope I did that right


I'll cobble together something to send a list.

[Barkeep49]

Sherlock Holmes - 19th Century - Literary


Hope I did that right


I'll cobble together something to send a list.
Just have to identify a creator, which I'm sure is Arthur Conan Doyle in this case. Sherlock seems like a clear 1st round pick.

A note to Mustang and others putting together a list:
I will accept simple conditional picks as opposed to simply a ranked list, if you desire.

[Barkeep49]

Funny quote from Bill Simmons new website, Grantland.


One thing sports have taught us is that almost anything can be improved by creating a scoring system and holding a draft. Try it. Assign point values and draft your coworkers before a meeting. Or family members before Thanksgiving dinner. I once participated in a celebrity DUI draft (Shia LaBeouf was a late-round steal).

Link (http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/153/grantlands-reality-tv-fantasy-league-the-complete-rules)

[wade moore]

I was hoping Holmes would fall to 2.5, guess not.

[Mustang]

I have a short list sent to Barkeep.

Barkeep, I also sent you my work email so.. if you need to reach me you can.

[spleen1015]

I figured Holmes would go pretty quickly. I didn't really target him for that reason.

[wade moore]

So far planning this draft has been one of my favorite so far - because I think the setup is very challenging.

Kudos to you barkeep, I think this is a GREAT setup.

[Barkeep49]

So far planning this draft has been one of my favorite so far - because I think the setup is very challenging.

Kudos to you barkeep, I think this is a GREAT setup.
Thanks. I felt from my experience in drafts that it's fun not only to come up with who to draft but also how to slot them and so I purposefully allowed for overlapping choices in both types as I think it adds a bit of drafting strategy.

[larrymcg421]

Making my pick in a second...

[larrymcg421]

1.7 Count Dracula (Creator: Bram Stoker) - Villain - 19th Century Creation

[spleen1015]

I guess my hopes were too high for Dracula. He was doing to be my next pick.

[Lathum]

how long fo people have to make their picks and what hours are we sticking to?

[Barkeep49]

how long fo people have to make their picks and what hours are we sticking to?
Thoughts?

[Lathum]

I think 2 hours to make picks is reasonable. No reason not to submit a list if you know you will be away.

Hours I say 9-9 M-F EST. Just my 2 cents

[spleen1015]

What happens if you don't pick within your time limit? This is only my 2nd one of these, so I don't remember how this was handled in the past.

[Barkeep49]

What happens if you don't pick within your time limit? This is only my 2nd one of these, so I don't remember how this was handled in the past.
You simply make your pick when you come back, but can't pick anyone who was picked in the interim.

[larrymcg421]

The way we've usually done, and I think has worked well, is you get one chance for a long delay and then after that the clock starts running on you.

For example, if you go for 24 hours without making a pick, then you get passed up. From that point, you are on a 2 hour clock, then a 1 hour clock, etc.

[Lathum]

What happens if you don't pick within your time limit? This is only my 2nd one of these, so I don't remember how this was handled in the past.

Minnesota Vikings rule

[Lathum]

The way we've usually done, and I think has worked well, is you get one chance for a long delay and then after that the clock starts running on you.

For example, if you go for 24 hours without making a pick, then you get passed up. From that point, you are on a 2 hour clock, then a 1 hour clock, etc.

Yeah, I think we should give Izulde some rope today, we have been moving pretty fast so far.

[Lathum]

Sent Izulde a FB message that he is up

[lordscarlet]

If people don't know, normally the policy is to PM the person after you when you make your pick.

[Barkeep49]

If people don't know, normally the policy is to PM the person after you when you make your pick.
This is true though complicated by the fact that several PM boxes seem to be full.

[Izulde]

1.8 - Iago, Villain, Pre- 19th Century (William Shakespeare)

I considered putting this in the Live Performance category and almost did, but ultimately what it comes down to is the fact that Iago is one of the most interesting and memorable villains in the history of the world. His plan was absolutely perfect, his machinations splendid to watch unfold. The only problem was, he took one element of his life for granted, and that proved his undoing. It helps also I think that although watchers and readers may initially be simultaneously repulsed and fascinated by Iago, upon further reflection they find themselves sympathizing with him in a way, for who among us has not felt intense jealousy and bitterness over another person's success and secretly wished to bring them down, if even only for a moment? And of course, there's the ending, which stands in stark contrast to the tell-all nature of most villains.

[Barkeep49]

I was really excited to see which Shakespeare character would be chosen and Iago does not disappoint. I will say that I'd have put him in the Live Performance Category since Shakespeare is so linked with the stage, but he is also a terrificly memorable Villain.

[Lathum]

Izulde, can you bold your picks please so we can spot them easier.

[wade moore]

I'll bold for him.

Izulde, you know you're up again, right?

[Izulde]

Sorry I literally had just woken up 5 seconds before my pick.

[Izulde]

2.1 - Omar Little - Television Character - Modern Day (1990-Present) (David Simon

Admittedly it's way too early and maybe not the best pick even in this category, but I just woke up like I said and I don't want to hold up the draft any longer. However, Omar is arguably the most memorable and popular character in what many consider the greatest television series of all time in The Wire. A total badass, intelligent, and charismatic, he is the sort of antihero the audience loves

He also shattered contemporary conceptions and stereotypes of homosexual characters by being one of the biggest badasses ever. That he was an African-American character in some ways makes it all the more daring and compelling a character, as black homosexuality is a subject that is, I think, little discussed.

[Lathum]

Just my opinion, but Izulde reached way to much on his first picks

[Barkeep49]

I think the most remarkable thing about Omar was his code. You hardly say that he was cooperative with the police, but with both Jimmy and Bunk, Omar's code meant that an understanding and level of mutual respect could be reached.

[Barkeep49]

Just my opinion, but Izulde reached way to much on his first picks
I think taking Shakespeare off the board makes that a good pick.

[lordscarlet]

I think taking Shakespeare off the board makes that a good pick.

A block isn't a good enough reason here. It's really just saying that no one gets credit for Shakespeare by taking such a relative unknown character.

[3ric]

I think taking Shakespeare off the board makes that a good pick.

My problem with the pick isn't Shakespeare as the creator, that's good, it's that among his characters, Iago isn't the first one that comes to mind. Or the tenth for that matter.

[Barkeep49]

My problem with the pick isn't Shakespeare as the creator, that's good, it's that among his characters, Iago isn't the first one that comes to mind. Or the tenth for that matter.
Fair enough. I'd probably have gone Hamlet personally.

[spleen1015]

Iago is not the Shakespeare character I would have taken. I had Romeo, Juliet and Hamlet as my Shakespeare choices.

I love the Omar pick because I love The Wire. I think it is way to early for him to go though. He may be an iconic figure here in FOFC because we are all huge fans of the show, but over all the world doesn't know who he is.

[Lathum]

My problem with the pick isn't Shakespeare as the creator, that's good, it's that among his characters, Iago isn't the first one that comes to mind. Or the tenth for that matter.

This- lots of epic Shakespear players to choose from

[gstelmack]

http://images.khinsider.com/NewRenders/Iago.png

[larrymcg421]

2.2 King Arthur (folklore, unknown/multiple creators), Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation

[Izulde]

Really? I personally always thought Iago was one of the first rank Shakespeare characters to come to mind.

I can see the cases for Hamlet, Romeo, and Juliet, but Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch and Romeo and Juliet, while iconic because of the cultural imprint, are not memorable characters in and of themselves.

Which I think is where one of the main philosophical debates of this draft lies - Do you choose the most famous characters, regardless of strength/memorable nature, or do you choose those who may not be quite on the same fame level (though still famous), but are strong, interesting, and memorable in and of themselves?

[sabotai]

I would have personally gone with MacBeth as far as Shakespeare characters go, but for me, Omar pretty much locks up the "Television Character" category for Izulde.

[Izulde]

I have a question on the Unknown/Anonymous category. Are those originally published as anonymous, but author later revealed fair game? Or does it still have to be anonymous?

[Barkeep49]

I have a similar problem with Romeo & Juliet to Izulde. They are a great not because of who they are as characters, I think Shakespeare did a great job of capturing their immaturity, but because of the plot. The characters in a different situation aren't interesting. I think Iago with different people is still an interesting character.

Where I disagree with Izulde is the idea that Hamlet is not an interesting and memorable character in and of himself. Sure he's a bit emo, but Shakespeare is so much a part of the established Western cannon that seems like a really unfair way to dismiss a complex somewhat distant character.

[Barkeep49]

I have a question on the Unknown/Anonymous category. Are those originally published as anonymous, but author later revealed fair game? Or does it still have to be anonymous?
If you clear up some PM space and give me a specific I'd be happy to share my thoughts.

[Izulde]

By the way, fantastic pick, larry.

[Barkeep49]

Mustang selects


2.3 Batman - Comic/Animated, Cold War Creation (Bob Kane/Bill Finger)

[Barkeep49]

2.2 King Arthur (folklore, unknown/multiple creators), Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation
Just to be clear: You are using the Pre-19th Century Creator type (you also seem to reference the Unknown/Anonymous Creator)?

[lordscarlet]

Really? I personally always thought Iago was one of the first rank Shakespeare characters to come to mind.

I can see the cases for Hamlet, Romeo, and Juliet, but Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch and Romeo and Juliet, while iconic because of the cultural imprint, are not memorable characters in and of themselves.

Which I think is where one of the main philosophical debates of this draft lies - Do you choose the most famous characters, regardless of strength/memorable nature, or do you choose those who may not be quite on the same fame level (though still famous), but are strong, interesting, and memorable in and of themselves?

Personally, I think you're overestimating the impact/spread/knowledge of Othello.

[JPhillips]

Really? I personally always thought Iago was one of the first rank Shakespeare characters to come to mind.

I can see the cases for Hamlet, Romeo, and Juliet, but Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch and Romeo and Juliet, while iconic because of the cultural imprint, are not memorable characters in and of themselves.

Which I think is where one of the main philosophical debates of this draft lies - Do you choose the most famous characters, regardless of strength/memorable nature, or do you choose those who may not be quite on the same fame level (though still famous), but are strong, interesting, and memorable in and of themselves?

Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch? You just tore a small piece out of my heart.

I'll admit, though, that I'm not sure I'd pick Hamlet over Lear.

[Izulde]

I have a similar problem with Romeo & Juliet to Izulde. They are a great not because of who they are as characters, I think Shakespeare did a great job of capturing their immaturity, but because of the plot. The characters in a different situation aren't interesting. I think Iago with different people is still an interesting character.

Where I disagree with Izulde is the idea that Hamlet is not an interesting and memorable character in and of himself. Sure he's a bit emo, but Shakespeare is so much a part of the established Western cannon that seems like a really unfair way to dismiss a complex somewhat distant character.

I just have a very hard time respecting Hamlet on any level. In fact, I have more respect for Claudius.

[spleen1015]

2.4 - Huckleberry Finn - Child Character - 19th Century Creater (Mark Twain)

Good picks with King Arthur and Batman.

[Izulde]

Personally, I think you're overestimating the impact/spread/knowledge of Othello.

That could very well be. Which, if so, is a shame. In my opinion, it's one of Shakespeare's best plays.

[spleen1015]

I'll be honest. I had to look up Iago because I immediately thought of the parrot in Aladin.

But.... I'm not the most literary person. I didn't really like Shakespeare all that much in HS.

[Barkeep49]

I just have a very hard time respecting Hamlet on any level. In fact, I have more respect for Claudius.
I don't think respecting Hamlet is the point. There are plenty of historical figures who I can't say I respect in anyway, but who I can still acknowledge as having done something great.

I think, even from this discussion, how clearly memorable Hamlet is, and that to me seems a really important aspect for a character.

[lordscarlet]

I'll be honest. I had to look up Iago because I immediately thought of the parrot in Aladin.

But.... I'm not the most literary person. I didn't really like Shakespeare all that much in HS.

Same here on having to look it up.

[Barkeep49]

2.4 - Huckleberry Finn - Child Character - 19th Century Creater (Mark Twain)

Good picks with King Arthur and Batman.
I was curious to see if Finn or Sawyer would be the Twain pick.

[larrymcg421]

Just to be clear: You are using the Pre-19th Century Creator type (you also seem to reference the Unknown/Anonymous Creator)?

Yes, I am using Pre-19th. The Unknown/Anonymous/Multiple was just identifying the creator.

[Lathum]

I have a bad feeling Wade is going to take my next pick I want

[larrymcg421]

Hamlet was going to be my next pick. He is clearly the #1 Shakespeare fictional character.

[Izulde]

I'm starting to get an idea of how I'm going to approach this draft, I think and if I go the way I'm thinking of, the first two picks work fine.

[wade moore]

2.5 - Holden Caulfield - The Catcher in the Rye - Child Character - One Great Work [J.D. Salinger]

Holden Caulfield is an amazing character in an amazing book. Written by J.D. Salinger who not long after writing the book and it becoming famous, withdrew and became a complete recluse. When I think of truly iconic Child Characters, I think it's hard to beat Caulfield.

[spleen1015]

Non-European/American Creator

Is this one Non-European & Non-American Creator? I just want to clarify. Thanks!

[spleen1015]

2.5 - Holden Caulfield - The Catcher in the Rye - Child Character - One Great Work [J.D. Salinger]

Holden Caulfield is an amazing character in an amazing book. Written by J.D. Salinger who not long after writing the book and it becoming famous, withdrew and became a complete recluse. When I think of truly iconic Child Characters, I think it's hard to beat Caulfield.

I guess I should read this book, hrm? :D

[wade moore]

Non-European/American Creator

Is this one Non-European & Non-American Creator? I just want to clarify. Thanks!

Yeah, my take on this was he wanted something from someone that was neither American or European.

[Barkeep49]

Non-European/American Creator

Is this one Non-European & Non-American Creator? I just want to clarify. Thanks!
The Creator may not be European and may not be American. Asian/African/Latin are all acceptable.

[Barkeep49]

2.5 - Holden Caulfield - The Catcher in the Rye - Child Character - One Great Work [J.D. Salinger]

Holden Caulfield is an amazing character in an amazing book. Written by J.D. Salinger who not long after writing the book and it becoming famous, withdrew and became a complete recluse. When I think of truly iconic Child Characters, I think it's hard to beat Caulfield.
When I came up with the One Great Work category Salinger was one of two authors who immediately came to mind. The power of the work is clear to document as I know at least 3 kids who were named after Holden Caulfield.

[Lathum]

2.6- Roland the Gunslinger- Literary

Steven King

Cold War Era

given the makeup of this group amazed he made it this far

[wade moore]

2.6- Roland the Gunslinger- Literary

Steven King

Cold War Era

given the makeup of this group amazed he made it this far

Ok, I can see why you'd think I'd take him. Definitely one of my favorite characters of all time, but not one I necessarily would have taken high in this draft.

[Lathum]

Ok, I can see why you'd think I'd take him. Definitely one of my favorite characters of all time, but not one I necessarily would have taken high in this draft.

I thought he was a lock for a first round pick, mainly because of the demographics of this group

[Lathum]

Danny has been pmed

[Barkeep49]

I'm off to see X-Men. I only have a list for Mustang so hopefully my absence doesn't hold things up.

[Danny]

I am here, I havent look at the picks since Lathum's 1.3, so it will take a me a little bit to get caught up and figure out who I want

[Danny]

Who the heck is Iago and Omar?

[Danny]

2.7 Frankenstein's Monster, Literary Character, Female Creator

[DeToxRox]

2.8 - Eric Cartman - Child Character
Created by Trey Parker & Matt Stone (Multiple Creators)

[DeToxRox]

3.1 - Mario - Video Game Character
Created by Shigreu Miyamoto (Cold War Creation)

[DeToxRox]

In my opinion Cartman is the most famous child character in the last ten-fifteen years. Not sure how it'll play on here, but it's a bonus that he wills the multiple creator criteria.

Mario is the most iconic video game character ever. Blah blah blah about Zelda, and I love Zelda but no video game character is as popular as Mario.

[spleen1015]

Mario was going to be my next pick if he was still on the board. :(

[Danny]

3.2 Homer Simpson, Comic/Animated Character, Modern

[larrymcg421]

3.3 Homer Simpson, Comic/Animated Character, Modern

This is 3.2

[Lathum]

Mario was going to be my next pick if he was still on the board. :(

Mine as well

[Lathum]

3.3-

Frodo Baggins- Hero

JR Tolkien

Pre WWII

[larrymcg421]

Hmmm, I would've picked Gandalf over Frodo.

[Lathum]

Hmmm, I would've picked Gandalf over Frodo.

There are a ton of ways you could go with that one, but ultimetly IMO Frodo is the catalyst.

He is far from the sexiest person in the books, but it is his story in the end.

[Danny]

I think it's a good pick, I considered going Frodo or Gandalf.

[Izulde]

Damn, was hoping to grab Tolkien with my next pick.

[Mustang]

Checking in.. some good picks.

I had thought of Mario for the video game one.

[Mustang]

Barkeep, you can ditch my list for tonight. I'll re-update it before I go to bed tonight. Otherwise I'll be checking in.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, you can ditch my list for tonight. I'll re-update it before I go to bed tonight. Otherwise I'll be checking in.
Will do.

wade is on the clock.

[wade moore]

3.4 - Pac-Man - Video Game Character - Non-European/American Creator [Tōru Iwatani]

While Pac-Man may seem a little rough as he's not a humanoid "character", he is really the first truly recognized video game character of our time. It's hard to argue that there is a more influential character, except maybe the already selected Mario.

[Barkeep49]

I think Pac-Man is a great choice in both Video Game and Non-European/American categories. Good value at 3.4

[Radii]

I think we have a decent history here of those loyal to the wire overvaluing it in these kinds of drafts and getting hurt for it. Those who watched The Wire will give it huge points but just not enough people have.

Stunned to see George from Seinfeld at 1.1!!

[Mustang]

3.4 - Pac-Man - Video Game Character - Non-European/American Creator [Tōru Iwatani]



Rat bastard. :)

My 2 top video game ones were Mario and Pac Man...

[spleen1015]

3.5 - Ebenezer Scrooge - Literary - Pre-19th Century Creator

Keeping with my strategy.

[wade moore]

Rat bastard. :)

My 2 top video game ones were Mario and Pac Man...

Yeah, I really think they're 1a and 1b in this category with #2 being a fair step down.

[Mustang]

3.6 Grim Reaper - Villain - Pre-19th Century (Unknown/Anonymous)

[spleen1015]

3.6 Grim Reaper - Villain - Pre-19th Century (Unknown/Anonymous)

This is a good one that I considered a lot. Good pick!

[larrymcg421]

3.7 Mickey Mouse (Walt Disney, Ub Iwerks), Pre-WW2 Creation, Comic/Animated

[Mustang]

I wonder how picky voters are going to be on the one great work category.

[Izulde]

3.8 Lara Croft - Female Character - Multiple Person Creator

One of the most badass female heroes ever and one who has undergone several changes and different portrayals throughout the video game series, movie series, comic book series, and even the animated series. An adventurer, a heroine, and yes, a sex symbol, able to serve both as a symbol of empowerment for women and as an object of desire for men.

[Danny]

Have to be honest, not a fan of the Lara Croft pick. Didn't particularly like the video games or the movies.

[Radii]

not something that initially jumped to mind when I first read about the draft, but it really doesn't get much more iconic than Mickey Mouse, does it?

[CrimsonFox]

Tolkien, Dickens, and Disney gone. Nice.

[Izulde]

4.1 - Tony Montana - Movie Character - Cold War (1945-1990

Violent and a druglord, but also one who operates according to a moral code. One of the most quotable characters in movie history, and of course, who can forget his legendary climactic scene?

One thing is for certain - between Scarface, Iago, Omar, and Lara, we're going to see a lot of gun action and some intriguing manipulation going on for the work that will ultimately be created out of these characters.

[Barkeep49]

3.5 - Ebenezer Scrooge - Literary - Pre-19th Century Creator

Keeping with my strategy.
This pick isn't valid. Dickens was born in 1812 so even in a liberal interpetation of the rule he'd have to be considered 19th century and you've used the slot with Twain.

[spleen1015]

This pick isn't valid. Dickens was born in 1812 so even in a liberal interpetation of the rule he'd have to be considered 19th century and you've used the slot with Twain.

Shit. I am sorry guys. I guess I just wrote him down that way. Good catch Barkeep.

[larrymcg421]

4.2 - Beowulf - Literary, Unknown/Anonymous Creator

[spleen1015]

3.5 - Hello Kitty - Female Character - Non-European/American Creator (Yuko Shimizu)

[spleen1015]

Barkeep, would it be better if I edited my post? I'm not sure editing is legal after other picks have been made.

[Barkeep49]

<s>I don't have a problem with an edit in this case.</s> Enough time's lapsed I would say just leave it.

[Lathum]

Did Wade send a list in or can I assume we are done for the night?

[Barkeep49]

not something that initially jumped to mind when I first read about the draft, but it really doesn't get much more iconic than Mickey Mouse, does it?
I'm actually surprised he lasted until late in the 3rd round. He seems like one of the very best in that category.

[Barkeep49]

Did Wade send a list in or can I assume we are done for the night?
I have no list from wade.

[spleen1015]

Did Wade send a list in or can I assume we are done for the night?

My last pick was actually a correction. Mustang is on the clock.

[Barkeep49]

3.5 - Hello Kitty - Female Character - Non-European/American Creator (Yuko Shimizu)
I didn't know Hello Kitty had a female creator.

[spleen1015]

I didn't know Hello Kitty had a female creator.

Wish I would have checked that... :D

[Barkeep49]

Ok maybe Hello Kitty didn't have a female creator and I just can't read :).

Mustang you're on the clock (see you in the thread just in case you didn't realize)

[spleen1015]

Ok maybe Hello Kitty didn't have a female creator and I just can't read :)

No. Yuko Shimizu is a female accoring to Wikipedia.

[Barkeep49]

4.2 - Beowulf - Literary, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
I was curious if Beowolf would go in Anonymous or Pre-19th Century. I don't think there was a wrong answer there and a good pick.

[Barkeep49]

No. Yuko Shimizu is a female accoring to Wikipedia.
Sure enough. Maybe I should have googled that first :)

[Mustang]

Will post shortly.

Going to be hard when you get to the last picks.. especially when you have a limited category.

[CrimsonFox]

OH no! All the other Yuko Shimizu characters are now unavailable!

[britrock88]

Iago's a great villain choice. But I understand that Othello is the least-read of the HOLM plays, which is a shame; they should all be required reading. I'm a Lear fan myself...

I'd also take issue with Salinger being a one-work creator -- Franny and Zooey? He harped on the Glass family in most of his other work. You should read "A Perfect Day for Bananafish" if you haven't before.

[Izulde]

Beowulf is someone I thought about for anonymous even as back as early as my still sleep-fogged Round 2.

[Mustang]

4.3 - Captain Kirk - Hero - One Great Work (Gene Roddenberry)


Depends on how the voters view the 'One Great Work'. I'm aware that Roddenberry has done other things, but his claim to fame is Star Trek.

Guess we shall see...

[larrymcg421]

To me the real question there is if you count all the Star Trek shows as one work or separate works.

[Izulde]

I'm stunned Othello is the least-read personally (which I didn't know). I think it would be taught as often as Romeo and Juliet and Julius Caesar, since it falls into that rank of Shakespeare plays that are most accessible to students.

Especially when paired with the movie O after the play as I do in my classes whenever I can.

[Mustang]

To me the real question there is if you count all the Star Trek shows as one work or separate works.

Good point.

Grr.. ah well. :D I was thinking of the universe as the body of work as opposed to individual pieces, but I could see arguing both ways.

[spleen1015]

4.4 Moby Dick - Villain - One Great Work (Herman Melville)

There are lots of ways I want to go hear. I'll keep to my strategy one more time and see what happens.

[Izulde]

Bartleby the Scrivener alone negates Moby Dick as a single great work IMO.

[Lathum]

Sent a list to BK so I don't slow things down in the AM dues to me being a west coaster.

[Izulde]

dola,

and I hate Melville.

[wade moore]

Iago's a great villain choice. But I understand that Othello is the least-read of the HOLM plays, which is a shame; they should all be required reading. I'm a Lear fan myself...

I'd also take issue with Salinger being a one-work creator -- Franny and Zooey? He harped on the Glass family in most of his other work. You should read "A Perfect Day for Bananafish" if you haven't before.

I'd be pretty shocked if you could find a creator that literally only ever created one thing.

J.D. Salinger, in my opinion, is about as clear-cut an example of "One Great Work" as you're going to get.

[wade moore]

4.5 - James Bond - Movie Character - Cold War Era [Ian Fleming]

Yes, technically Bond was created in books. However, James Bond in this day and age is a movie icon. The James Bond Franchise is the highest grossing English franchise of all time. His success is approaching 50 years long and he has had hits in 5 decades.

James Bond may very well be the absolute most iconic movie character of all time.

[Izulde]

Fantastic pick with Bond.

[DeToxRox]

I am good for another hour or two so Wade you may wanna send a list if you have some picks in mine. Seems like we could make more headway tonight.

[Lathum]

well color me surprised Wade is still up

[Lathum]

4.6-The Phantom of the Opera-Play/Musical/Operatic (Live Performance) Character- Multiple creators- Andrew Lloyd Webber and Charles Hart

[wade moore]

Unfortunately I'm up way too late at it is and not really thinking overly clearly at the moment. I hate to be "that guy", but I've got to crash for the night.. I'll be up in 5 hours and if it's rolled around to me I can make my pick then.

I stayed up for the basketball game. I'm usually asleep at least 3 hours earlier than now, so I'm not exactly in a thinking mind ;). Bond was a guy I consider as early as the first round, so that was an easy pick for me - I've really gotta lay out my categories and stuff now.

[wade moore]

well color me surprised Wade is still up

You're not the only one surprised! ;)

[DeToxRox]

Unfortunately I'm up way too late at it is and not really thinking overly clearly at the moment. I hate to be "that guy", but I've got to crash for the night.. I'll be up in 5 hours and if it's rolled around to me I can make my pick then.

I stayed up for the basketball game. I'm usually asleep at least 3 hours earlier than now, so I'm not exactly in a thinking mind ;). Bond was a guy I consider as early as the first round, so that was an easy pick for me - I've really gotta lay out my categories and stuff now.

No problem.

Frankly this draft is on a breakneck pace compared to just about every other FOFC Draft.

[wade moore]

No problem.

Frankly this draft is on a breakneck pace compared to just about every other FOFC Draft.

Agreed.

With that, sleep time!

[Mustang]

Seemed to be alot of night activity on this draft. normally after 7:00 PM it bogs down until the morning.

[Danny]

4.7 Optimus Prime, Hero, Multiple Creators

[DeToxRox]

4.8 - Godzilla, Villain
Tomoyuki Tanaka, Single Great Work

[DeToxRox]

5.1 - Santa Claus, Hero
Unknown Creator

I am not sure if this one is crossing some sort of murky line as far as unknown creator. I'll gladly change it if so.

[Danny]

Too late to change a category of an already picked person right?

[Danny]

5.2 Alice, Child Character, 19th Century

[CrimsonFox]

5.1 - Santa Claus, Hero
Unknown Creator

I am not sure if this one is crossing some sort of murky line as far as unknown creator. I'll gladly change it if so.

coke perhaps :)

[Izulde]

I considered Alice for the child character, but it's not she herself that's memorable so much as it is her journey and the land she wanders in.

[mckerney]

I considered Alice for the child character, but it's not she herself that's memorable so much as it is her journey and the land she wanders in.

That doesn't seem to have hurt the draft positions of Mario and Pac-Man in the video games category.

[CrimsonFox]

True pacman is just a pie with a piece missing :)

[spleen1015]

Bartleby the Scrivener alone negates Moby Dick as a single great work IMO.

This is where my literary ignorance comes in. I have never even heard of Bartleby the Scrivener.

[Barkeep49]

Bartleby the Scrivener alone negates Moby Dick as a single great work IMO.
+1

[Barkeep49]

I had a list of two from Lathum, and he already used Phantom and the other pick doesn't quite work in the category he has so I think we're waiting for him to be up, which is no big deal since as others said we normally don't get so much done at night.

[spleen1015]

I was going to take James Bond where I took Moby Dick, but Moby Dick fit my strategy more. James Bond was originally going to be my first pick.

[wade moore]

I had a list of two from Lathum, and he already used Phantom and the other pick doesn't quite work in the category he has so I think we're waiting for him to be up, which is no big deal since as others said we normally don't get so much done at night.

Night?! ;)

[lordscarlet]

4.8 - Godzilla, Villain
Tomoyuki Tanaka, Single Great Work

I think this falls into the Star Trek question. Is "Godzilla" the franchise a work? Woudl you pick, say, a Tolkein character as one great work even though, at a minimum, you need to count The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings? Or are we somehow exempting movie/television as single "works" even if they are separate movies/series?

[Barkeep49]

I agree that it will be interesting to see how voters view picks which have some ambiguity to them.

[MIJB#19]

5.1 - Santa Claus, Hero
Unknown Creator

I am not sure if this one is crossing some sort of murky line as far as unknown creator. I'll gladly change it if so.Well, let's see what wikipedia says: Sinterklaas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas) .
However, that makes it debatable whether this is a fictional character to begin with.

[wade moore]

Well, let's see what wikipedia says: Sinterklaas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas) .
However, that makes it debatable whether this is a fictional character to begin with.

Well, to be fair - Sinterklaas is the basis for Santa Claus, but he's not the same character.

[lordscarlet]

I agree that it will be interesting to see how voters view picks which have some ambiguity to them.

You say ambiguity, I say invalid. ;) (just a slight pronunciation change)

[wade moore]

Dola:

Santa Claus, or Santa, is a figure in North American culture with legendary, mythological and folkloric aspects, which reflect an amalgamation of the Dutch Sinterklaas,[1] the English Father Christmas, and Christmas gift-bringers in other traditions.

I think Unknown Creator is perfect for Claus personally.

[Barkeep49]

Dola:



I think Unknown Creator is perfect for Claus personally.
I do too. I know DeTox considered putting it in a different category but I really feel the hazy origins of Santa Claus is a perfect use of the Anonymous/Unknown category.

[MIJB#19]

btw, I meant to add a ;) there. Aside from the similarities, there's the whole new North pole theme, it seems clear it's a derived character.

[larrymcg421]

Santa Claus works just like King Arthur. Both may have been inspired by real people but the "characters" as we know them are clearly fictional.

[Lathum]

5.3- Beavis and Butthead- Animated- Mike Judge- Modern Day

[Lathum]

figure they are a package type deal

[eiskrap]

I think the unknown creator works fine for Santa Claus. I just don't think of him as a great character, but I guess it depends on how you define it

[wade moore]

5.4 - Tony Soprano - Television Character - Modern Day [David Chase]

Tony Soprano did as much, or more, to change the makeup of modern television as any character since 1990. Since his creation there has been a huge boom int he quality and success of TV Shows on the premium channels (HBO, Showtime, etc). With all due respect to Omar, Tony has been the reason for that shift.

[wade moore]

5.3- Beavis and Butthead- Animated- Mike Judge- Modern Day

I know you qualified this in a later post, but personally (up to Barkeep) I think you have to pick one. Otherwise you could say the same thing about many other characters people have/will pick.

[larrymcg421]

I agree that picking two should not be allowed. I could've added Merlin or Lancelot to my King Arthur pick, for example.

[Mustang]

My list was sent to BK.

[Barkeep49]

I agree that a pairing isn't permissible.

[spleen1015]

5.5 - Medusa - Movie - Pre-19th Century

I have a feeling that my strategy may have not been the best, but we'll see how the later rounds play out. I'm having fun at least. :D

[Lathum]

Now it's officially an fofc draft, wade complained about a pick someone got creative with. I'll change it to just beavis.

[wade moore]

Now it's officially an fofc draft, wade complained about a pick someone got creative with. I'll change it to just beavis.

I've been pretty calm and nice and actually complimentary, not sure why you need to take a jab.

Others agreed with me, including the person administering the draft.

[Barkeep49]

Now it's officially an fofc draft, wade complained about a pick someone got creative with. I'll change it to just beavis.
The topic was sort of mentioned with Romeo & Juliet back when we were discussing Iago. If you want to be frustrated with someone it's me :).

[Mustang]

Actually, I can draft before I go to work

5.6 Link / Video Game / Non-Europe, American (Shigeru Miyamoto)

[wade moore]

Actually, I can draft before I go to work

5.6 Link / Video Game / Non-Europe, American (Shigeru Miyamoto)


Gonna be a troublemaker again.

Invalid because Miyamoto has been used for Mario.

[spleen1015]

Gonna be a troublemaker again.

Invalid because Miyamoto has been used for Mario.

Werd.

[Barkeep49]

Actually, I can draft before I go to work

5.6 Link / Video Game / Non-Europe, American (Shigeru Miyamoto)

Hadn't responded to the PM (since you had other picks and figured you were off), but Miytamoto is out because he was used with Mario.

[Mustang]

Gonna be a troublemaker again.

Invalid because Miyamoto has been used for Mario.

My bad..

[Mustang]

5.6 Little Orphan Annie / Play / Pre 1900-1945

[Barkeep49]

5.5 - Medusa - Movie - Pre-19th Century

I have a feeling that my strategy may have not been the best, but we'll see how the later rounds play out. I'm having fun at least. :D
Asking more as an interested party than administrator, but is there a specific movie you were thinking of Medusa from?

[Mustang]

(Harold Gray)

Not Miyamoto... I'm pretty sure. :D

[Mustang]

NOW I have to go to work.. this morning has sucked so far.

[wade moore]

Rule clarification:

The Time Period "creator" categories - they're intended to be the time period that the character was created in, right?

[spleen1015]

Asking more as an interested party than administrator, but is there a specific movie you were thinking of Medusa from?

Clash of the Titans

[Barkeep49]

Rule clarification:

The Time Period "creator" categories - they're intended to be the time period that the character was created in, right?
Correct.

Which is why I'm OK with Medusa being a Movie Character, but being listed as Pre-19th Creator as draft administrator. Frankly I think Medusa is far more interesting outside of film so I don't particularly care for the pick, but I do think it's in keeping with the rules.

[wade moore]

Correct.

Which is why I'm OK with Medusa being a Movie Character, but being listed as Pre-19th Creator as draft administrator. Frankly I think Medusa is far more interesting outside of film so I don't particularly care for the pick, but I do think it's in keeping with the rules.

Yeah, I think there have been two selections now that have used this strategy of filling in a creator category with the original creation, but using a more modern character type.

I think it's an interesting strategy. It's one that I'm not sure how voters will handle, or if they'll even notice.

[Lathum]

I've been pretty calm and nice and actually complimentary, not sure why you need to take a jab.

Others agreed with me, including the person administering the draft.

It was just such an easy shot I couldn't resist. Lighten up, I'm just messing with you.

[larrymcg421]

5.7 - Scarlett O Hara (Margaret Mitchell) - Female Character, Female Creation

[Barkeep49]

5.7 - Scarlett O Hara (Margaret Mitchell) - Female Character, Female Creation
Very good choice and someone who I hadn't thought of at all.

[spleen1015]

5.7 - Scarlett O Hara (Margaret Mitchell) - Female Character, Female Creation

Nice freaking pick. She has been on my radar for a while. I've been debating her for the last 2-3 rounds.

[wade moore]

I'm getting a bit scared by larry's "team" ;).

[larrymcg421]

Tried to PM Izulde, but his PM box is full.

[larrymcg421]

I think this draft will really be determined in the final picks. How far will someone have to reach to fill their remaining categories?

[Barkeep49]

I think this draft will really be determined in the final picks. How far will someone have to reach to fill their remaining categories?
I agree with this. I think it's why I was more up on some early picks than others because I think certain creator types will be hard to fill when combined with specific character types.

[britrock88]

I'm surprised it's gone this far without anyone noticing, but the Phantom of the Opera was not a Team Andrew Lloyd Webber creation... it started out as a French serialized novel by... Gaston Leroux.

[Lathum]

I'm surprised it's gone this far without anyone noticing, but the Phantom of the Opera was not a Team Andrew Lloyd Webber creation... it started out as a French serialized novel by... Gaston Leroux.

But the character for the musical was created/ adapted my the other two.

[Izulde]

I'm here. And of course, morning fog, so this is going to be interesting.

[lordscarlet]

But the character for the musical was created/ adapted my the other two.

Just slap Leroux onto your list of creators and keep it multi. :) The musical version of the Phantom is a conglomeration of the 3.

[Izulde]

5.8 - Lolita - Child Character - Non-European/American (Vladimir Nabokov)

Yep, we're continuing to build a very dark, dramatic work of fiction, with the world's most famous nymphet, created by a Russian author. Manipulation, drugs, guns, and nymphetry - this is definitely an R rated scenario.

[Barkeep49]

About to leave for a road trip, but I have Mustang's next pick so I'm hoping Izulde makes his second pick shortly so I can post Mustang's and be off.

[Barkeep49]

I realized larry is in front of Mustang as well and so I'm going to be off. I have PM'ed Spleen, who picks directly after Mustang, Mustang's top choice so assuming that the pick falls 2 more spots we can keep rolling. Otherwise when I'm back online in about 3 hours or so I can sort out the next pick.

[Izulde]

6. 1 - Philip Marlowe - Literary Character - Pre-World War II 20th Century (1900-1945) (Raymond Chandler)

The pristine, analytical (albeit cocaine-infused) Holmes is one of the great detectives of the literary world, but so is Marlowe, who is tough and hard-drinking in his public persona, yet is beautifully contemplative in his private persona.

[larrymcg421]

6.2 Sonic the Hedgehog (ViYuji Naka, Naoto Ōshima) - Computer/Video Game Character - Non-European/American Creator

[spleen1015]

This pick is for Mustang

6.3 - Master Chief - Computer/Video Game - Modern Day

[Lathum]

Just slap Leroux onto your list of creators and keep it multi. :) The musical version of the Phantom is a conglomeration of the 3.

Amazing how different twins can be. Wade causes problems and you solve them! ;)

[spleen1015]

6.4 - Bugs Bunny - Comic/Animation - Pre-WWII

I have missed out on some good picks following my strategy. This time, I am going to break from strategy because I can't believe Bugs Bunny is still out there. Everyone watched Bugs Bunny when they were a kids. I think this is a great pick for the 6th round.

[lordscarlet]

Amazing how different twins can be. Wade causes problems and you solve them! ;)

Have you read my other posts in this thread? :)

[larrymcg421]

Great value on Bugs Bunny. I would've picked him if someone had beaten me to Mickey Mouse.

[CrimsonFox]

who who created ole bugs? IT was Chuck JOnes right?

[JAG]

6.4 - Bugs Bunny - Comic/Animation - Pre-WWII

I have missed out on some good picks following my strategy. This time, I am going to break from strategy because I can't believe Bugs Bunny is still out there. Everyone watched Bugs Bunny when they were a kids. I think this is a great pick for the 6th round.

This was one that leapt to mind very early in this process. I also can't believe this is a 6th round pick. Good job.

[Alan T]

This pick is for Mustang

6.3 - Master Chief - Computer/Video Game - Modern Day


Can someone tell me who this one is? This is the first name I don't recognize. I assume something military related, so probably one of the fighting games from the early 1990s that made that genre popular I assume?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Halo.