2011 FOFC Alternate Rules Football; Season Underway!

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08.24.11
We have 10 now! Below is the draft order. The draft clock officially starts at 6pm today but we have a slow, rolling start until then.

Draft Order
1. TRO - Royal Apes (5)
2. LastWhiteSoxFanStanding - dick butkuses (1)
3. Masked - Eleven Masked Men (3)
4. sterlingice - Indianapolis Iguanii (10)
5. Scoobz0202 - Team Victory (9)
6. k0ruptr - Hawaii-Vegas Ha'a (4)
7. Rafini - Rafini Express (7)
8. Butter_of_69 - Dayton Dynamo (6)
9. Julio Riddols - Tasty Punts (2)
10. Danny - Roadkill Cafe (8)

Everyone be sure to PM the person after you in the draft order so we can keep things moving

08.22.11
Invites sent for 9 of the 10 spots in the league. We have one spot open- first come, first served!
Everyone remember the schedule for this year: 2 hours per pick.


08.21.11
Ok, signups are ready to go. You know the drill if you've been in my leagues before:
1) If you're returning, you have until tomorrow at noon to claim your spot. Post in the thread with your team name and draft number and then join the Yahoo league.
2) If you're new, you go onto the waiting list until tomorrow at noon. I suspect there will be spots this season with the rigorous schedule and quick turnaround so don't hesitate to get on the waiting list.

Make sure you've read the draft rules. This year, it's a pick every 2 hours! Frankly, I'm hoping to finish in about a week and a half so we don't have to mess with Labor Day but I suspect that will be really optimistic.

08.21.11
Please wait to sign up until indicated. Still working on posts below

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Introduction

The idea behind the FOFC Alternate Rules Football league is simple. We play with 2 QBs, playing PPR, and try to balance out all 3 of the major positions while still making the other 3 differentiated and yet valuable. In short, you need a good, balanced team across the board.

(Ed note)
This league was started for a couple of reasons, most of which involve things I dislike about standard fantasy football leagues.
1) I absolutely hate the RB scrum that has stupidly started every fantasy football league since the dawn of time. RBs are one of the least valuable positions on the field
2) QBs are over pointed but over supplied. Most league starts 1 QB so in a 10 team league, the 11th most valuable QB is around equal to the 21st most valuable RB. So what you're telling me is that Eli Manning slots around Daniel Thomas, Jahvid Best, Ryan Matthews and Knowshon Moreno this year? In standard systems, he's worth at least 100 more points but won't be picked until much after them because of positional scarcity.
3) And to those who complain 2 QBs is not realistic, fantasy football is not about "realism". Where in the world are you going to see Maurice Jones-Drew and Chris Johnson lining up in the backfield on any play? That QB might actually *die* on the field, but that fantasy lineup would rack up a lot of fantasy points. The only time fantasy lineups could be even considered remotely realistic were the couple of years that Mike Alstott was accidentally worth something as an honest-to-goodness fullback. So, please, don't tell me that your 1 QB, 2 RB league is more realistic than this 2 QB, 2 RB league unless you're drafting fullbacks.
4) Points seemed to be based on arbitrary measurements: "Hey, a TD is worth 6 so let's make it worth 6 fantasy points". Never mind that a good QB will get in the 30s while an elite RB might get half that. So, points are balanced across the board to try and give equal weight to every skill position: QBs, workhorse RBs, receiving RBs, deep thread WRs, possession WRs, etc.

So, in short, the idea is not to game the system but to pick the players that best exceed expectations. In short- are you better at predicting players than everyone else. Is it perfect? No. But I do believe it's better than what's out there.


Alternate Rules Football History

In the first season (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=41688), 2005, the Rafini Express steamrolled the rest of the league; led by Tomlinson, Palmer, Hasselbeck, and a solid receiving corps.

In 2006 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=51190), Eleven Masked Men won the regular season while 5 teams were at either 9-5 or 8-6 but only three made the playoffs. The #4 and #3 seeds won in the playoffs with the balanced Marino Gets a Title winning over the LT-led Houston Hippopotami.

For 2007 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=60329), there were 3 10-4 powers going into the playoffs with the Little Macs, Hawaii Haka, and Houston Hippopotami but it was the #4 seed Louisiana Cyclones who won the title after squeaking into the playoffs at 8-6.

In 2008, the league went on hiatus as I was moving cross country from Kansas City to Richmond. Guess what I'm looking to do yet again this year. *sigh*

2009 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=73999) brought back the league in all its former glory with a slow, live draft and some slight scoring tweaks (I think). k0ruptr's Hawaii Ha'a dominated the regular season at 11-3 with the most points scored and won in the playoffs with a balanced team led by Adrian Peterson. Qwikshot's Quivers were the only other double digit win team but they lost in the first round of the playoffs.

2010 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=79059) featured a quick, live draft as I ran out of time, having just moved to Indianapolis. Danny's Road Kill Cafe finished with the best record in the league, led by Peyton Manning and 2 RBs and 3 WRs with over 1000 yards and 6 TDs (McCoy, McFadden, Bowe, CJohnson, SMoss). He defeated #2 seed Royal Apes, led by the two headed QB monster of Vick and Rogers and RBs Jamaal Charles and Steven Jackson.


Rules

I'll try to outline the major points below but any writeup will be somewhat incomplete. I've been trying to make sure and balance out the three main positions. It's not perfect but it's a lot better than what's out there, in my opinion:

* First thing you'll notice is 2 QBs- your 2nd and even 3rd QB does matter, just as much as your 2nd and 3rd RBs. No more mad scramble solely for RBs.
* There are 3 WRs and they are worth 8/1 versus 10/1 for RBs and 30/1 for QBs
* TE's are a bit better than in the past, but I would still love to be able to hit them with a 1.5 * mulitiplier across the board. As that's not possible, they fall in positional value. PPR helps them, tho.
* There are kindof 2 tiers of players: QBs/RBs/WRs and Ks/DEFs/TEs. The first are worth more as they are believed to be more important. However, those second tiers are still worth about 2/3rds what the first group does, and good ones can offset a bad week by a top tier player.
* There's a lot of emphasis on positional scarcity- 2 of pretty much everything in a 10 team league means 20 QBs, 20 RBs, 20 Ks, and 20 DEFs will be starting each and every week which only leaves 10 in the pool at max. You only get 5 bench spaces so use them well- no hoarding that 4th K or even 3rd K if it means dropping that injured RB who's about to come back or that backup for your stud who you have as a 4th RB.

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Yahoo Rules

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Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Passing Yards</td> <td>30 yards per point</td> <td>25 yards per point</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Passing Touchdowns</td> <td>5</td> <td>4</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Interceptions</td> <td>-1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Rushing Yards</td> <td>10 yards per point</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Rushing Touchdowns</td> <td>6</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Receptions</td> <td>0.5</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Reception Yards</td> <td>8 yards per point</td> <td>10 yards per point</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Reception Touchdowns</td> <td>6</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">2-Point Conversions</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Fumbles</td> <td>-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Fumbles Lost</td> <td>-1</td> <td>-2</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Offensive Fumble Return TD</td> <td>5</td> <td>6</td> </tr> </tbody> <thead> <tr> <th class="first">Kickers</th> <th>League Value</th> <th>Yahoo! Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907064"> <tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals 0-19 Yards</td> <td>3</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals 20-29 Yards</td> <td>4</td> <td>3</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals 30-39 Yards</td> <td>4</td> <td>3</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals 40-49 Yards</td> <td>4</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals 50+ Yards</td> <td>5</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907069" class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907068">-2</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907067" class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907066">-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907063" class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907062">-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Point After Attempt Made</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Point After Attempt Missed</td> <td>-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr> </tbody> <thead> <tr> <th class="first">Defense/Special Teams</th> <th>League Value</th> <th>Yahoo! Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907077"> <tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Sack</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Interception</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Fumble Recovery</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Touchdown</td> <td>5</td> <td>6</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Safety</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Block Kick</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Return Yards</td> <td>75 yards per point</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns</td> <td>5</td> <td>6</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 0 points</td> <td>15</td> <td>10</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 1-6 points</td> <td>10</td> <td>7</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 7-13 points</td> <td>5</td> <td>4</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 14-20 points</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 21-27 points</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 28-34 points</td> <td>-2</td> <td>-1</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907076" class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 35+ points</td> <td>-5</td> <td id="yui_3_3_0_10_131395272907075">-4</td></tr></tbody></table>

Points Balance

Next year will be a good time to possible revisit these and do a re-balance as this is the third straight season with the same rules. But the balance is pretty good with a 2:2:3 ratio of top QBs, RBs, and WRs.

Below is the breakdown the last couple of seasons, using this scoring system.


2010
001-025: (373-250) 09 QB / 09 RB / 07 WR / 00 TE
026-050: (246-206) 09 QB / 05 RB / 10 WR / 01 TE
051-075: (204-170) 03 QB / 08 RB / 11 WR / 03 TE
076-100: (169-147) 05 QB / 03 RB / 11 WR / 06 TE
001-100: (380-147) 26 QB / 25 RB / 39 WR / 10 TE


2009
001-025: (380-248) 10 QB / 05 RB / 09 WR / 01 TE
026-050: (248-201) 07 QB / 06 RB / 09 WR / 03 TE
051-075: (201-170) 01 QB / 12 RB / 08 WR / 04 TE
076-100: (168-147) 04 QB / 10 RB / 08 WR / 03 TE
001-100: (380-147) 22 QB / 33 RB / 34 WR / 11 TE

2008
001-025: (314-238) 07 QB / 08 RB / 09 WR / 01 TE
026-050: (237-198) 06 QB / 08 RB / 11 WR / 00 TE
051-075: (197-168) 07 QB / 06 RB / 10 WR / 02 TE
076-100: (166-137) 03 QB / 09 RB / 09 WR / 04 TE
001-100: (380-147) 23 QB / 31 RB / 39 WR / 07 TE

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Who Can Join
Preference goes towards members who were in the league last year. Now through 6pm of Monday August 22nd, they are the only ones who can join. Anyone else is put on the waiting list.

Signing Up
IF YOU ARE RETURNING, WHEN YOU SIGN UP, PUT A NUMBER NEXT TO YOUR NAME. DO NOT DO THIS IF YOU ARE ON THE WAITING LIST. I have saved a text file to my desktop with 10 numbers that will determine the draft order. I will take whatever the last number is.

Draft Format

The draft will take place in this thread once the league has been set up. It is a snake draft. If nothing changes, we'll start drafting at noon of Tuesday August 23rd.

We've got a really short schedule this year. The season starts Thursday September 8th. That means we have about 2 weeks to do the slow, live draft. I wasn't a fan of the quick, live draft last year and, while people stayed active, I know I felt like it wasn't a team I crafted- more of a hand I was quickly dealt.

So, we're splitting the difference. Rather than going with the standard 6 hour period, which I don't feel will adequately allow us to get all 180 picks in time, we're going to the "final week" style of 2 hours per pick between the hours of 8am ET and 10pm ET on weekdays. Hopefully we don't have to enforce this but we always have to a couple of times during the draft.

The evening rules are still the same. If you had more than an hour the previous night (the previous pick was made at 9pm), you get 1 hour in the morning (until 9am) to make your pick. If you had less than an hour, you have 2 hours in the morning (until 10am). We have to keep this moving and we need everyone checking every night and every morning if it's near their turn.

I'm going to, once again, need some help enforcing these time limits, especially this year with the short draft time. If someone is at 2 hours- please auto-pick for them so the next person can go.

On weekends, I'm planning on doing the standard weekday schedule of every 2 hours including night and weekend. If we're looking good going into Labor Day, we might be able to relax that a little bit. I know I'll be out of town but I'll still have some internet access.

If there are problems in that you know your pick is coming up but you won't be online, submit a list either to myself or to a proxy drafter for you. Otherwise, you will get the next player on Yahoo's list. Maybe pick someone who is on the opposite end of the draft from you so that you likely won't be grabbing from the same pool of players anyways.

The season starts September 8th. If the draft is not complete by Wednesday September 7th at noon (day after Labor Day), we will have a quick live draft via AIM to complete the draft on Wednesday September 7th, starting at 7pm ET. Anyone who won't be able to make that will need to submit a list to me, a proxy, or have a proxy in chat (who is not in the league) to finish out their team.

If you miss more than 2 picks in the draft (i.e. time limit expired so a Yahoo rankings pick), particularly in the first 10 rounds, then you can be replaced as manager.

IF YOU CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THIS SCHEDULE, DO NOT JOIN.

Rule Changes
I'm looking at points balancing right now and we'll see how it looks. As frequent members of this league know, I do like to tweak the rules ever so slightly to achieve better balance each season.

SI

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Draft Order
1. TRO - Royal Apes (5)
2. LastWhiteSoxFanStanding - Dick Butkuses (1)
3. Masked - Eleven Masked Men (3)
4. sterlingice - Indianapolis Iguanii (10)
5. Scoobz0202 - Team Victory (9)
6. k0ruptr - Hawaii-Vegas Ha'a (4)
7. Rafini - Rafini Express (7)
8. Butter_of_69 - Dayton Dynamo (6)
9. Julio Riddols - Tasty Punts (2)
10. Danny - Roadkill Cafe (8)


Draft Numbers
1 LastWhiteSoxFanStanding - dick butkuses; in yahoo
2 Julio Riddols - Tasty Punts; not in yahoo
3 Masked - Eleven Masked Men; in yahoo
4 k0ruptr - Hawaii-Vegas Ha'a; in yahoo
5 TRO - Royal Apes; in yahoo
6 Butter_of_69 - Dayton Dynamo; in yahoo
7 Rafini - Rafini Express; in yahoo
8 Danny - Roadkill Cafe; in yahoo
9 Scoobz0202 - Team Victory; in yahoo
10 sterlingice - Indianapolis Iguanii; in yahoo

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Round 1
1. Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB) Royal Apes
2. Philip Rivers (SD - QB) Dick Butkuses
3. Arian Foster (Hou - RB) Eleven Maske...
4. Adrian Peterson (Min - RB) Indianapolis...
5. Michael Vick (Phi - QB) Team Victory
6. Tom Brady (NE - QB) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Drew Brees (NO - QB) Rafini Express
8. LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB) Dayton Dynamo
9. Ray Rice (Bal - RB) Tasty Punts
10. Andre Johnson (Hou - WR) Road Kill Cafe
Round 2
1. Calvin Johnson (Det - WR) Road Kill Cafe
2. Roddy White (Atl - WR) Tasty Punts
3. Jamaal Charles (KC - RB) Dayton Dynamo
4. Chris Johnson (Ten - RB) Rafini Express
5. Maurice Jones-Drew (Jac - RB) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. Larry Fitzgerald (Ari - WR) Team Victory
7. Tony Romo (Dal - QB) Indianapolis...
8. Matt Schaub (Hou - QB) Eleven Maske...
9. Greg Jennings (GB - WR) Dick Butkuses
10. Frank Gore (SF - RB) Royal Apes
Round 3
1. Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR) Royal Apes
2. Steven Jackson (StL - RB) Dick Butkuses
3. Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB) Eleven Maske...
4. Matt Ryan (Atl - QB) Indianapolis...
5. Josh Freeman (TB - QB) Team Victory
6. Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Peyton Manning (Ind - QB) Rafini Express
8. Miles Austin (Dal - WR) Dayton Dynamo
9. Eli Manning (NYG - QB) Tasty Punts
10. Darren McFadden (Oak - RB) Road Kill Cafe
Round 4
1. Rashard Mendenhall (Pit - RB) Road Kill Cafe
2. Felix Jones (Dal - RB) Tasty Punts
3. Matthew Stafford (Det - QB) Dayton Dynamo
4. Mike Wallace (Pit - WR) Rafini Express
5. Matt Forte (Chi - RB) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. Vincent Jackson (SD - WR) Team Victory
7. Michael Turner (Atl - RB) Indianapolis...
8. Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR) Eleven Maske...
9. LeGarrette Blount (TB - RB) Dick Butkuses
10. Antonio Gates (SD - TE) Royal Apes
Round 5
1. Mike Williams (TB - WR) Royal Apes
2. Sam Bradford (StL - QB) Dick Butkuses
3. DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR) Eleven Maske...
4. Wes Welker (NE - WR) Indianapolis...
5. Jahvid Best (Det - RB) Team Victory
6. Joe Flacco (Bal - QB) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Dez Bryant (Dal - WR) Rafini Express
8. Anquan Boldin (Bal - WR) Dayton Dynamo
9. Brandon Lloyd (Den - WR) Tasty Punts
10. Jermichael Finley (GB - TE) Road Kill Cafe
Round 6
1. Jason Witten (Dal - TE) Road Kill Cafe
2. Brandon Marshall (Mia - WR) Tasty Punts
3. Chad Ochocinco (NE - WR) Dayton Dynamo
4. Dallas Clark (Ind - TE) Rafini Express
5. Vernon Davis (SF - TE) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. Peyton Hillis (Cle - RB) Team Victory
7. Mario Manningham (NYG - WR) Indianapolis...
8. Mark Ingram (NO - RB) Eleven Maske...
9. Santana Moss (Was - WR) Dick Butkuses
10. Jeremy Maclin (Phi - WR) Royal Apes
Round 7
1. Matt Cassel (KC - QB) Royal Apes
2. Mike Sims-Walker (StL - WR) Dick Butkuses
3. Jimmy Graham (NO - TE) Eleven Maske...
4. Marques Colston (NO - WR) Indianapolis...
5. Stevie Johnson (Buf - WR) Team Victory
6. Santonio Holmes (NYJ - WR) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Shonn Greene (NYJ - RB) Rafini Express
8. Owen Daniels (Hou - TE) Dayton Dynamo
9. Kyle Orton (Den - QB) Tasty Punts
10. Kevin Kolb (Ari - QB) Road Kill Cafe
Round 8
1. Jay Cutler (Chi - QB) Road Kill Cafe
2. Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF) Tasty Punts
3. Green Bay (GB - DEF) Dayton Dynamo
4. Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB) Rafini Express
5. Percy Harvin (Min - WR) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. Brandon Pettigrew (Det - TE) Team Victory
7. Kellen Winslow (TB - TE) Indianapolis...
8. Marcedes Lewis (Jac - TE) Eleven Maske...
9. BenJarvus Green-Ellis (NE - RB) Dick Butkuses
10. Knowshon Moreno (Den - RB) Royal Apes
Round 9
1. Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE) Royal Apes
2. Julio Jones (Atl - WR) Dick Butkuses
3. Philadelphia (Phi - DEF) Eleven Maske...
4. Mark Sanchez (NYJ - QB) Indianapolis...
5. Austin Collie (Ind - WR) Team Victory
6. Aaron Hernandez (NE - TE) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Greg Olsen (Car - TE) Rafini Express
8. Donovan McNabb (Min - QB) Dayton Dynamo
9. New England (NE - DEF) Tasty Punts
10. Kenny Britt (Ten - WR) Road Kill Cafe
Round 10
1. DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB) Road Kill Cafe
2. Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE) Tasty Punts
3. Sidney Rice (Sea - WR) Dayton Dynamo
4. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buf - QB) Rafini Express
5. New York (NYJ - DEF) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. Chris Cooley (Was - TE) Team Victory
7. Steve Smith (Car - WR) Indianapolis...
8. Malcom Floyd (SD - WR) Eleven Maske...
9. Detroit (Det - DEF) Dick Butkuses
10. Beanie Wells (Ari - RB) Royal Apes
Round 11
1. Ryan Mathews (SD - RB) Royal Apes
2. Jermaine Gresham (Cin - TE) Dick Butkuses
3. Tim Hightower (Was - RB) Eleven Maske...
4. Cedric Benson (Cin - RB) Indianapolis...
5. Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB) Team Victory
6. Reggie Bush (Mia - RB) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Chicago (Chi - DEF) Rafini Express
8. New York (NYG - DEF) Dayton Dynamo
9. Mason Crosby (GB - K) Tasty Punts
10. Mike Thomas (Jac - WR) Road Kill Cafe
Round 12
1. Colt McCoy (Cle - QB) Road Kill Cafe
2. Lance Kendricks (StL - TE) Tasty Punts
3. Jason Campbell (Oak - QB) Dayton Dynamo
4. Baltimore (Bal - DEF) Rafini Express
5. David Garrard (Jac - QB) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. Ryan Grant (GB - RB) Team Victory
7. San Diego (SD - DEF) Indianapolis...
8. New Orleans (NO - DEF) Eleven Maske...
9. Davone Bess (Mia - WR) Dick Butkuses
10. Pierre Garcon (Ind - WR) Royal Apes
Round 13
1. Cam Newton (Car - QB) Royal Apes
2. Lee Evans (Bal - WR) Dick Butkuses
3. Matt Hasselbeck (Ten - QB) Eleven Maske...
4. Zach Miller (Sea - TE) Indianapolis...
5. Lance Moore (NO - WR) Team Victory
6. Michael Crabtree (SF - WR) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Braylon Edwards (SF - WR) Rafini Express
8. Dustin Keller (NYJ - TE) Dayton Dynamo
9. A.J. Green (Cin - WR) Tasty Punts
10. Jacoby Ford (Oak - WR) Road Kill Cafe
Round 14
1. Joseph Addai (Ind - RB) Road Kill Cafe
2. Fred Jackson (Buf - RB) Tasty Punts
3. Jordy Nelson (GB - WR) Dayton Dynamo
4. Danny Amendola (StL - WR) Rafini Express
5. Hines Ward (Pit - WR) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. Jared Cook (Ten - TE) Team Victory
7. Dallas (Dal - DEF) Indianapolis...
8. Robert Meachem (NO - WR) Eleven Maske...
9. Todd Heap (Ari - TE) Dick Butkuses
10. Johnny Knox (Chi - WR) Royal Apes
Round 15
1. San Francisco (SF - DEF) Royal Apes
2. Atlanta (Atl - DEF) Dick Butkuses
3. Nate Kaeding (SD - K) Eleven Maske...
4. Nate Burleson (Det - WR) Indianapolis...
5. Arizona (Ari - DEF) Team Victory
6. Mike Tolbert (SD - RB) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Plaxico Burress (NYJ - WR) Rafini Express
8. Andy Dalton (Cin - QB) Dayton Dynamo
9. Antonio Brown (Pit - WR) Tasty Punts
10. Stephen Gostkowski (NE - K) Road Kill Cafe
Round 16
1. Alex Henery (Phi - K) Road Kill Cafe
2. Chad Henne (Mia - QB) Tasty Punts
3. LaDainian Tomlinson (NYJ - RB) Dayton Dynamo
4. Kansas City (KC - DEF) Rafini Express
5. Neil Rackers (Hou - K) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. Oakland (Oak - DEF) Team Victory
7. Matt Bryant (Atl - K) Indianapolis...
8. Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K) Eleven Maske...
9. Mike Williams (Sea - WR) Dick Butkuses
10. Houston (Hou - DEF) Royal Apes
Round 17
1. Garrett Hartley (NO - K) Royal Apes
2. Alex Smith (SF - QB) Dick Butkuses
3. Pierre Thomas (NO - RB) Eleven Maske...
4. Josh Brown (StL - K) Indianapolis...
5. Rob Bironas (Ten - K) Team Victory
6. Billy Cundiff (Bal - K) Hawai'i-Vega...
7. Adam Vinatieri (Ind - K) Rafini Express
8. Dan Carpenter (Mia - K) Dayton Dynamo
9. Dexter McCluster (KC - WR,RB) Tasty Punts
10. Minnesota (Min - DEF) Road Kill Cafe
Round 18
1. Tampa Bay (TB - DEF) Road Kill Cafe
2. Lawrence Tynes (NYG - K) Tasty Punts
3. Nick Folk (NYJ - K) Dayton Dynamo
4. David Akers (SF - K) Rafini Express
5. Miami (Mia - DEF) Hawai'i-Vega...
6. David Buehler (Dal - K) Team Victory
7. Daniel Thomas (Mia - RB) Indianapolis...
8. Ben Tate (Hou - RB) Eleven Maske...
9. Robbie Gould (Chi - K) Dick Butkuses
10. Jason Hanson (Det - K) Royal Apes

SI

[k0ruptr]

Hurray!

Thanks for doing this every year SI :)

[sterlingice]

Ok, we're ready to go! Signups are Underway! As per news on the top post:

Ok, signups are ready to go. You know the drill if you've been in my leagues before:
1) If you're returning, you have until tomorrow at 6pm ET to claim your spot. Post in the thread with your team name and draft number and then join the Yahoo league.
2) If you're new, you go onto the waiting list until tomorrow at noon. I suspect there will be spots this season with the rigorous schedule and quick turnaround so don't hesitate to get on the waiting list.

SI

[Scoobz0202]

Waitlist me ;)

[Danny]

In, Roadkill Cafe, 8

[sterlingice]

You both have been added to the list in post 5. :)

Welcome back, Danny

SI

[rafini]

I'm back.

Rafini Express, #7

[sterlingice]

Welcome Back, Rafini

You and Danny can both create teams in the Yahoo league when you get a chance.

SI

[TRO]

Royal Apes 5

[sterlingice]

Welcome back, TRO

SI

[Masked]

Eleven Masked Men are back, 3

[sterlingice]

Welcome back, Masked

SI

[k0ruptr]

I'm back in - might not have much time as I'm in the middle of a big move, but I'll try

Hawaii-Vegas Ha'a #4

[rafini]

Anybody else getting this message when you try to join the league?


There was a problem

There is not room in this league if all teams from last year return. To join, get the commissioner to increase the maximum number of teams, or remove teams that will not be returning. (Error #638)

[Butter]

Dayton Dynamo, 6

[Julio Riddols]

I'll join the wait list.

[sterlingice]

Anybody else getting this message when you try to join the league?


There was a problem

There is not room in this league if all teams from last year return. To join, get the commissioner to increase the maximum number of teams, or remove teams that will not be returning. (Error #638)



Let's try this- PM me with an email address to send an invite to and I'll see if we can get into the league that way. There's a screen to send invites so maybe I need to do it that way.

SI

[sterlingice]

Welcome back, k0ruptr and Butter_of_69

I've added you to the list, Julio Riddols

The remaining 3 owners have until 6pm today to sign back in

SI

[Butter]

I've added you to the list, Julio Riddols

Oh no, competition for the 3 Bengals that might be worth something this year! Noooooooooo!

[rafini]

Let's try this- PM me with an email address to send an invite to and I'll see if we can get into the league that way. There's a screen to send invites so maybe I need to do it that way.

SI

I'm good to go now. Thanks.

[sterlingice]

Looks like that's the ticket. Send me a PM with your email address and I'll invite you

SI

[sterlingice]

2 Hours left for returning teams

SI

[Julio Riddols]

Oh no, competition for the 3 Bengals that might be worth something this year! Noooooooooo!

I'm pretty wary of all the Bengals this year.. heh. Definitely can't be a homer when drafting a fantasy team. Not when youre a Bengals fan.

[sterlingice]

Butter and Danny, invites sent.

Scoobz0202 and Julio Riddols, PM me with an email address so you can join

We need one more player! First come, first served. Hoping to start the draft tomorrow.

Everyone, double check the schedule- we're doing 2 hour picks so it'll be fairly rigorous this year. Let me know if that's an issue

SI

[Scoobz0202]

Team Victory 9

[sterlingice]

Butter_of_69,
Please join the league in Yahoo

Julio Riddols,
Please post your number and team name in the thread and send me a PM with your email address so I can invite you to the league

We have space for one more team and are looking to start the draft today. First person who posts gets the spot. Post your team name and one of the remaining numbers (1, 2, 10) then PM me your email address so I can send you a league invite.

I'd very much like to start the draft today - we just need one more. Look at the draft format, tho- there's some time commitment over the next two weeks- and only join if you can keep up.

SI

[Butter]

Joined.

[Julio Riddols]

Number: 2

Team Name: Tasty Punts

[sterlingice]

Bump- still need one more

Julio, could you send me an email address to send a league invite to?

SI

[sterlingice]

Still needing one more. Anyone?

SI

[Julio Riddols]

bump..

[sterlingice]

Just need one more. One singular person

SI

[Qwikshot]

Just need one more. One singular person

SI

I'd be happy to be a warm body, but I got to read the rules.

[sterlingice]

As important is to read the schedule, too- it's going to require checking multiple times a day for the next couple of weeks until the draft is complete

SI

[Qwikshot]

As important is to read the schedule, too- it's going to require checking multiple times a day for the next couple of weeks until the draft is complete

SI

Yeah, I think it might be too much for me. Sorry.

[sterlingice]

Bump- still looking for one more

SI

[sterlingice]

Nighttime crowd- again, just need 1 team

SI

[Danny]

This is an awesome league with a unique set of rules.

[k0ruptr]

yes , please join.

[sterlingice]

We will be lonely without you!

SI

[Lathum]

still need one?

[k0ruptr]

YES

[k0ruptr]

pm your email to sterlingice if you would like to be in only the greatest ff league known to man, and cats.

[Danny]

With all due respect to SI, I know some cats who are in a pretty great fantasy league. I can't join due to my species.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Ok ok, you twisted my arm. I am in.

If the kids learn a little less because I have to check the draft board so be it :-)

Team name dick butkuses

I'll take number 1

[sterlingice]

Ok ok, you twisted my arm. I am in.

If the kids learn a little less because I have to check the draft board so be it :-)

Team name dick butkuses

I'll take number 1

Thanks for joining, LWSFS.

That's the spirit- besides, {insert cliche about how our education system in this country is no good or getting worse or no one cares or whatever}! The draft will be at a quicker pace than in year's past but it'll be over fairly quickly (2 weeks).

Invite sent and welcome aboard!

SI

[k0ruptr]

hurray!

[k0ruptr]

SI what time do you think the draft will start? I ask because I'm still in the Hawaii time zone and sleep is calling me (its 1 am here) do I need to stay awake a couple hours or if I wake up 8 hours from now, I should be ok?

[sterlingice]

I've set up the draft to start at 6pm tonight with a slow rolling start until then.

So, the clock for the first pick runs from 6pm-8pm ET tonight. Until then, everyone can make their picks- there's just not a clock.

Due to the quick turnaround this year- everyone make sure to PM the next person after you have made your pick

And now, for the 2011 Alternate Rules Football League, TRO and the Royal Apes are on the clock (that doesn't really start until later tonight but it would be nice if they picked before then).

SI

[sterlingice]

Ok, everyone is in the league in Yahoo, I've finalized the teams, and set the draft order.

I have PM'd TRO to let him know that he's up.

SI

[Danny]

Pretty happy with the 10th pick

[k0ruptr]

I just wouldnt want to be #1 this year honestly. happy at 6

[Butter]

#8, eh. Sux. I would definitely like #9 or 10 if I am going this low.

[TRO]

#1? Of all frickin' years. I really wanted a turn pick though, so that part is nice.

I have a meeting this morning and will pick shortly thereafter.

[sterlingice]

Woohoo! The crappy Excel random number generator managed to make pretty much nobody happy!

Honestly, it took me 4 tries to get all numbers 1-10 this year since it kept getting duplicates *sigh*

For the terminally bored, I just throw a rand()*10+1 and put the numbers in order. Odds are that I haven't gotten a unique set so I probably have, say, 6 of the top 10. Then, I re-roll, so to speak, and start at the top again, marking off numbers that I already have. The last two were particular stubborn this year and it took an extra re-roll.

SI

[TRO]

#1 QB - Aaron Rodgers - GB

[sterlingice]

Seems like a pretty safe #1 pick to me.

Draft in thread and Yahoo updated and we're off. Make sure to PM the next person up.

FYI, so that it's easier for me to read out of the thread, can we use the following formatting for picks, if possible (honestly, the bold, name, and position are what's important- team not so much):

1.1 Aaron Rodgers QB, GB

SI

[TRO]

Just be sure that I have Aaron Rodgers and not this Aaron Rogers guy ;)

I sent a PM to LWSFS after I picked.

[sterlingice]

I was wondering why you picked his backup, backup, backup's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate

SI

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

1.2 Phillip Rivers QB SD

Thought long and hard about this one, not used to taking a QB so high in the draft.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Lets hope Old Man Rivers keeps rolling along. will pm next person

[Masked]

1.3 Arian Foster RB Hou

Hoping for lots of receptions again

[sterlingice]

1.4 Adrian Peterson, RB MIN

I don't think I've ever picked an RB in the first round of this league. I think I've always gone QB until this year.

SI

[sterlingice]

I have updated the thread and Yahoo through 1.4

SI

[Scoobz0202]

1.5 Michael Vick, QB PHI

Now I'm going to go hang myself.



I messaged the next guy.

[k0ruptr]

1.6 Tom Brady QB, NE

[rafini]

1.7 Drew Brees, QB, NO

[Scoobz0202]

1.6 Tom Brady QB, NE


I even had this written out. Bold and everything. Because Vicks a piece of shit and I'd never root for him.


Then some unforeseen force started deleting and typing on my keyboard :(

[k0ruptr]

trust me, I'm extremely happy you took Vick, I wanted nothing to do with him. But he could end up having a monster year yet.

[Danny]

Vick is a much stronger pick than Brady or Brees.

[Danny]

Just my opinion of course, but I think Rodgers and Vick were the #1 and 2 players in this scoring system.

[Scoobz0202]

Vick is a much stronger pick than Brady or Brees.


That is ultimately why I did it. He could get injured in week two with a busted knee due to his playstyle, and it's a risk that you have to take with him. The reward could be an absolute monster fantasy year. When looking at my rankings I knew he was the right decision for me. I just didn't want to do it ;) And to be quite honest, I am very surprised with 5pt touchdowns and two QBs that he fell to me.

[Danny]

I believe I read that Vick has started at least 15 games in every season except one (in which he was the opening day starter), so I don't think he really is more of an injury risk than other guys.

I don't like him personally either though, so I could see that as a reason why someone would not want to take him.

[Butter]

1.8 - RB LeSean McCoy, PHI

PM sent to Julio Riddols.

[Julio Riddols]

1.9 - RB Ray Rice, BAL

Sending PM now.

[Danny]

1.10 WR Andre Johnson HOU
2.01 WR Calvin Johnson DET

[Julio Riddols]

Johnson and Johnson, nice.

I struggled mightily to come up with a consensus between all the voices in my head, but I'll go with

2.02 - WR Roddy White, ATL

[k0ruptr]

lol. I'll give him a 1 time pass and repick. it happens.


but its Totally okay with me if he gets this guy: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6134

[Danny]

Oops, no wonder he was still available

[Danny]

Just give me a minute and I'll change it

[Julio Riddols]

lol. I'll give him a 1 time pass and repick. it happens.


but its Totally okay with me if he gets this guy: Adrian Peterson - Seattle Seahawks - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6134)

Yeah, and then by some freakish occurrence, both Adrian Petersons tie for the rushing title at the end of the year. Danny is flown to England and knighted for this miracle.

[TRO]

Also a good example of why team is important to note :)

[Danny]

Took Calvin Johnson instead. One other guy I was looking at, but I don't like taking players from my most hated team.

[Danny]

He's also one of my favorite players, just need Stafford to stay healthy and I actually think he outproduces Andre.

[Butter]

I hate taking the same position twice so early, but I don't see how I can pass it up.

2.3 - RB Jamaal Charles, KC

PM sent.

[rafini]

2.4 - Chris Johnson, RB, Tenn

[sterlingice]

Nice pace today- I'll be updating Yahoo shortly

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 2.4

SI

[k0ruptr]

Sorry at work. Will pick shortly

[sterlingice]

So, crazy Hawaiian time is up. Now's a good time to go over those overnight rules. The last pick was made at 9:20pm ET. That means it happened with less than an hour to go on the clock so he has until 10am ET tomorrow morning to pick.

If it had happened at 8:50pm ET, then he would only have had until 9am ET.

SI

[sterlingice]

Ok, so I've got 2 guys left on my board right now and 2 picks before me. As long as both of you don't pick my two guys, we're gold and I can head to bed quickly

SI

[sterlingice]

Sorry, guys, I really need to get to sleep. Provided we're at my pick, I'll pick between 6:30-7am tomorrow morning (unless there's someone who can PM me in the next couple of mins and get my list)

SI

[k0ruptr]

2.5 Maurice Jones-Drew RB Jax

[Scoobz0202]

2.6 Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI

[sterlingice]

2.7 Tony Romo, QB DAL

Ok, now I'm definitely going to sleep. Fitz was one of my two but Romo was the other so I'm glad I don't have to do much research :)

SI

[k0ruptr]

I flipped a coin between MJD and romo :D

[Danny]

I really like the Romo pick. I think he will be just as good or better than Brees and Rivers.

[Masked]

2.8 Matt Schaub, QB, Hou

[Masked]

I'll check in first thing tomorrow morning, but I'm on the west coast, so I may push the two hours if I come on the clock at 8am est (5am here).

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 2.8

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding is up (10am deadline)

SI

[k0ruptr]

I'm heading to bed, 2 am here, be back around 4 pm eastern ish

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

2.9 Greg Jennings wr gb

[TRO]

Grr, was hoping for a nice 1-2 punch there :).

Picking momentarily. Got to update my board.

[sterlingice]

I was kindof hoping Jennings would fall, too, but I figured that was a false hope

SI

[sterlingice]

I have one more that I'm hoping will fall but I suspect he'll also go before I get to pick again

SI

[TRO]

2.10 - Frank Gore, RB, SF

3.1 - Hakeem Nicks, WR, NYG

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

3.2
Steven Jackson, RB StL

[Masked]

3.3 Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Pit

[sterlingice]

Woo! The guy I wanted dropped :)

3.4 QB Matt Ryan, ATL

This reminds of the year I had, I think it was, Carson Palmer and Matt Hasselbeck back when both were top QB picks in the first three rounds. I seem to remember that ending badly, tho, for my team :(

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 3.4

SI

[TRO]

If Ryan didn't share a bye week with Rodgers, I would have taken him. Still not sure if I made the right decision, I think he's going to have a great year.

[sterlingice]

Well, I'm happy about it :)

This is about as perfect a first three picks as I could have expected

SI

[Scoobz0202]

3.5 Josh Freeman QB TB

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Post edited to avoid confusion

[k0ruptr]

I figured this would happen, Hawaii time :( I'm here may I have a minute?

[k0ruptr]

3.6 Reggie Wayne Wr Ind

[k0ruptr]

Mendenhall is a fine pick, but I prefer a consistent WR at this point.

[rafini]

Well, I've already got Chris Johnson so I might as well take another risk:

3.7 - Peyton Manning, QB, Ind

[TRO]

Was wondering when he'd come off the board.

[Butter]

3.8- WR Miles Austin, DAL

[Julio Riddols]

3.9 - QB Eli Manning, NYG

[k0ruptr]

I think Eli is a solid solid pick there, I was hoping he would fall to me :)

[Julio Riddols]

I nearly passed on him, but something told me he wasn't far away from getting picked. Now I hope danny takes one of the 2 guys I like for 4.2 so I don't have to flip a coin.

[TRO]

You know, he could take both :)

[Julio Riddols]

If he does, he will be 3 for 4 on guys I wanted then :)

[Danny]

Im here now, will have my picks up in a few after crossing off names on my list.

[Danny]

Wow, my choice is easy. Can't believe these two guys are available.

3.10 RB Darren McFadden OAK
4.1 RB Rashard Mendenhall PIT

[Julio Riddols]

4.2 - RB Felix Jones, DAL

I think hes finally gonna get the rock this year.. I friggin hope.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, Danny- those are nice picks this late, Mendenhall in particular. But, again, I'd rather have a top 5 QB in this league than a top 5 RB- they're a little harder to come by. That said, we're talking about picks 30 and 31- not much excuse he's out on the board :)

Yahoo and thread updated through 4.2

SI

[Butter]

4.3 - QB Matthew Stafford, DET

[Butter]

He better not blow out his shoulder in Week 2 either like last year.

[Danny]

This year I may end up with two Alex smiths

[Julio Riddols]

He better not blow out his shoulder in Week 2 either like last year.

Injury concerns are the only reason I chose Felix Jones over Stafford. If he does stay healthy, I think he is potentially top 5 QB material.

[rafini]

4.4 - Mike Wallace, WR, Pitt

[k0ruptr]

4.5 Matt Forte Rb Chi

[Scoobz0202]

4.6 Vincent Jackson WR SDC

[k0ruptr]

lol, i flipped a coin between jackson and forte!

[Scoobz0202]

Yea. I am actually pretty excited he fell to me. Last round I took Larry Fitzgerald and I actually was debating between Fitz and Jackson, so to get both I am extremely pleased.

[k0ruptr]

yea i think jackson is a steal here. I just looked at rb depth and after a couple more guys it gets fairly weak imo

and Forte was at the top of my list of guys left and I like the receptions he should get. new he wouldnt last.

[k0ruptr]

hopefully this year turns out better but my team seems to be similar. fingers crossed everyone stays healthy, injuries kicked my ass last season.

[Scoobz0202]

I also just realized that Fitz and Jackson have the same bye week.

Oh well, I thought the value was too good lol

[k0ruptr]

I realized I havent been paying attention to bye weeks, I'm usually good about it. looked it up and I've gotten lucky so far :)

[k0ruptr]

I also just realized that Fitz and Jackson have the same bye week.

Oh well, I thought the value was too good lol

by this time of the season you can find bye week value on the waiver wire. usually anyway.

[sterlingice]

Ok, I'm here but i'm catching up- it'll take me a little bit

SI

[Danny]

You shouldn't worry about by weeks early in the draft, take the player who will provide you the most value

[sterlingice]

4.7 RB Michael Turner, Atl

This is awful- I'm pretty sure I'm getting 2009 Michael Turner but there's a decent enough chance I'm not that I can't pass him up

SI

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Not only did you take forever but you took my guy! :D

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 4.7. Masked always seems online pretty early in the morning- like 6 or so- I always see him logged into hattrick when I'm waking up and checking it.

SI

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Lets turn the corner boys!

[Masked]

4.8 WR Dwayne Bowe, KC

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

4.9 lagarette blount rb
There is no way I spelled his name correctly.

[TRO]

I'm having trouble accessing the league page in yahoo for some reason.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

do you need me to send you a list of players?

[TRO]

4.10 TE Antonio Gates, SD

5.1 WR Mike Williams, TB

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

5.2 QB Sam Bradford STL

[Masked]

5.3 DeSean Jackson, WR, Phi

[Scoobz0202]

Im up after sterling is so Im sure I will be up real soon in the morning. Any proxys around that will also be around fairly early I can give a two man list to? If not, no big deal. But it may be 10ish before I check.

[TRO]

I'll be around in the morning if you want to run through me.

[Scoobz0202]

Awesome. Check your PMs.

[k0ruptr]

damn was hoping jackson would fall, I think hes a steal here even.

[sterlingice]

5.4 WR Wes Welker, NE

SI

[sterlingice]

I PM'd both Scoobz0202 and TRO

Sorry, guys- I head to sleep around 11 ET so I can get up around 6. Didn't figure it would make it back around to me last night but we're flying nicely.

Any thoughts on schedule for the weekend? By default, we keep the 2 hour clock and I'm fine with that- I don't have much planned. What I'd like to see is us keep flying through this weekend and next week and then if we have any picks left over Labor Day weekend, lengthen out the clock to 6 hours. I'm going to be out of town, which means plane ride and decently long chunks of clock where I won't have good internet access and I suspect others might have the same problem.

SI

[TRO]

By Proxy

5.5 RB Jahvid Best, DET

[k0ruptr]

Here. Gimme 3 mins to catch up

[k0ruptr]

5.6 Joe Flacco QB Bal

[rafini]

5.7 - Dez Bryant, WR, Dal

[Butter]

5.8 - WR Anquan Boldin, BAL

[Danny]

I just realized this, but didn't I have the 10th pick last year as well?

[k0ruptr]

in fact you did. I don't mind that at all, but what I do mind is you trying to repeat as champ and go back to back. DISLIKE

[Butter]

I PM'd Julio Riddols, but don't see him yet. So maybe it will take a bit for the next pick.

[k0ruptr]

I'm bored at work, got another 3hours getting paid to browse fofc and draft fantasy football players. best job ever!

[k0ruptr]

and when I'm bored at work, I do things like look up past champions of the league and when they drafted.

like this:
2010 10th pick
2009 1st pick
2007 8th pick
2006 8th pick
2005 1st pick

so it seems its better to have picks closer together then further apart, better yet 1st or last has won 3 times. blah

[Danny]

Soon to be 4

[Danny]

And if don't pick 1st, 8th or 10th you have no chance

[TRO]

Soon to be 4

I couldn't agree more.

[k0ruptr]

oops the 4 was backwards. He was looking at it from top to bottom so 4 is actually supposed to be 6.

damn, still doesnt make sense. lol

[Julio Riddols]

I'm here, will have my pick in in about 2 ticks.

[Julio Riddols]

5.9 - WR Brandon Lloyd, DEN

[Danny]

5.10 TE Jermichael Finley GB
6.1 TE Jason Whitten DAL

[Julio Riddols]

6.2 - WR Brandon Marshall, MIA

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 6.2

SI

[sterlingice]

I'm bored at work, got another 3hours getting paid to browse fofc and draft fantasy football players. best job ever!

And in Hawaii?

SI

[Butter]

I'm here, let me get this pick up.

[Butter]

6.3 - WR Chad Ochocinco, NE

[rafini]

6.4 - Dallas Clark, TE, Ind

[k0ruptr]

yep, that was my next pick. You are officially now my most hated rival...

[k0ruptr]

6.5 Vernon Davis TE, SF

[TRO]

At least you got the last of the top level TE there.

[Scoobz0202]

6.6 Peyton Hillis RB CLE

I know people are afraid of the Madden curse and all, but really?

[TRO]

I'm sure you are happy to get both of the players on your 2 man list from last night :)

[Scoobz0202]

:D

[Butter]

I think Peyton Hillis is going to suck this year. With McCoy at QB, it's going to be "let's stack the box and make them beat us through the air". I just don't think he is going to have the year he had last year. But I will be glad to eat those words.

As long as I end up winning. :D

[Julio Riddols]

Would have gone for Hillis but I already have 2 backs so I just couldn't justify it with myself.

[Scoobz0202]

I mean, I'm not going to say he will have the year he had last year, but I am shocked he was available in the sixth round behind guys like Blount, Turner, and Jones.

Guess we all have our hunches :)

[Butter]

Yeah, plus my first 2 picks were backs, so I don't need one.

[TRO]

I think Peyton Hillis is going to suck this year. With McCoy at QB, it's going to be "let's stack the box and make them beat us through the air". I just don't think he is going to have the year he had last year. But I will be glad to eat those words.

As long as I end up winning. :D

How is this different that what teams did against the Browns last year?

[Julio Riddols]

Guess we all have our hunches :)

It's gonna come down to whose hunches eat everyone else's lunches.

[Butter]

How is this different that what teams did against the Browns last year?

Touche.

[sterlingice]

Sorry guys- got busy at work. Catching back up. And, crap, I was really hoping Davis would fall

SI

[sterlingice]

6.7 WR Mario Manningham, NY

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 6.7

SI

[Masked]

I have to run to a meeting which will last an hour or so. I'll get my pick in when I get back.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I think Manningham is a great pick here.

[Scoobz0202]

Ya. I was hoping he would fall, but I expect him to really to well this year.

[sterlingice]

I was surprised to see him still on the board. Frankly, if Davis were still on the board, I had him locked in from a round ago and I wouldn't have even looked around but when I saw him, the choice was easy.

SI

[Masked]

6.8 RB Mark Ingram, NO

Risky pick, but I like the upside and I think he'll get enough receptions to make up for the RB by committee in NO.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

6.9 WR Santana Moss WAS

With Rex Grossman throwing to him, what could go wrong?

[TRO]

6.10 WR Jeremy Maclin, PHI
7.1 QB Matt Cassel, KC

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

7.2 WR Mike Sims Walker STL

[Danny]

Hillis was an excellent pick in the 6th. All the tight end are good choices, they have a lot of value in our scoring system.

[sterlingice]

Ok, time to do some research and get my list down to 2 while waiting for my shiny, new Touchpad to do the WebOS update :)

SI

[Masked]

7.3 TE Jimmy Graham, NO

[sterlingice]

7.4 WR Marques Colston, NO

SI

[Scoobz0202]

7.5 Steve Johnson WR BUF

Was going to go another route, but again, can't pass on value.

[k0ruptr]

LoL I had a nice list of 4 or 5 and It just got obliterated

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread through 7.4

SI

[k0ruptr]

7.6 Santonio Holmes WR NYJ

[rafini]

7.7 - Shonn Greene, RB, NYJ

[rafini]

Just a heads up that I'll more than likely lose power tomorrow afternoon/evening when the hurricane hits here, so if at any point my time limit runs out on a pick just start using the Yahoo rankings for my picks from then on out. I'll also try to put together a list before then.

[Scoobz0202]

Pfft. Hurricane. Never heard that one before ;)

[sterlingice]

Rafini, send myself or someone else a list before then, if you can.

Be safe this weekend. I already talked to my sister in Jacksonville, NC and they've been getting rain pretty much all day

SI

[Danny]

Are we still on the 2 hour clock over the weekend? I have four guys on my list, so I will be ready to pick.

[Butter]

7.8 - TE Owen Daniels, HOU

[Julio Riddols]

7.9 - QB Kyle Orton, DEN

[Julio Riddols]

Looks like we should fly through the next 5 picks, since all 4 of us are here.

[Danny]

7.10 QB Kevin Kolb ARI
8.01 QB Jay Cutler CHI

[Julio Riddols]

Or the next 6..

[Julio Riddols]

8.2 - Pittsburgh Defense

[Danny]

There was a couple other guys I was looking at, and I considered waiting hoping QB's wouldn't go off the board with a lot of them already gone, but I just can't pass up the top two QB's on my board as there was only 3 names total that I felt comfortable having as a starter.

[Danny]

And pretty funny that so far all of my picks have been doubles. 2 WR, 2 RB, 2 TE and then 2 QB

[Julio Riddols]

I was wondering when you would finally get some QBs.. Not a bad couple to have for waiting this long.

[Butter]

8.3 - Green Bay Defense

[sterlingice]

If it's ok with everyone- I was going to relax it back to a 4 hour clock for the weekend. Does that seem reasonable? That way we don't kill someone's team with 3 or 4 picks if they are gone but we still keep up some speed and will get through at least a couple of rounds this weekend

SI

[sterlingice]

Did anyone get a list from Rafini?

EDIT: Never mind, looks like he still has power

SI

[Danny]

I was wondering when you would finally get some QBs.. Not a bad couple to have for waiting this long.

Yeah, with QB's flying off the board I wanted to try and get some value. I had about 20 guys I wouldn't mind having, but that list was down to 3, so I felt I had to get them. Plus I have both of them slightly higher than a couple of guys who were already drafted.

[k0ruptr]

4 hour clock would help me tons, I'm on graveyard shift but I get off in a few hours and need sleep :(

[rafini]

I'm still online for now, although we've had some flickers.

8.4 - Ahmad Bradshaw, RB, NYG

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 8.4

SI

[Danny]

Great pick with Bradshaw. Best RB on the board and good value. I considered him and if I only had 1 RB I would have definitely grabbed him.

[k0ruptr]

yea thats a great pick, I was even considering taking him even tho my starters at rb are full lol.

in that case:

8.5 Percy Harvin WR Min

[Danny]

Harvin was the 4th guy I was looking at, another good pick.

[k0ruptr]

I wasn't sure if he would drop to next round or not, maybe but I feel like he could break out as #1 in minn, and 3rd year receiver if he stays healthy at least.

There was a couple other receivers left who could definitely out point him, but I felt the risk was a little less with him.

[Julio Riddols]

Minnesota should be forced to throw a lot this year, so as long as he avoids the migraines, he should produce.

[Danny]

Yeah, I think health is the main concern.

[Scoobz0202]

Brandon Pettigrew TE DET

I'm on my phone. Can somebody message next for me please.