NFL Regular Season Week 4 Thread

[Suburban Rhythm]

Lions fans living the life. 3-0, and now this!

Police: Stripper bus at Lions game may be illegal - NFL - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/09/28/lions.strip.club.ap/index.html?eref=sircrc)

[JediKooter]

If they finish the season 3-13, Lions fans can place all blame on the police for it.

[Pumpy Tudors]

My bowling average went down when the Booty Lounge stopped showing up.

[JediKooter]

See...

[Pumpy Tudors]

I forgot to mention that my bowling average went back up when I became the Booty Lounge. :(

[JediKooter]

Gives new meaning to the term: gutter ball.

[tucker rocky]

The operators of the "Booty Lounge" say on their company's Facebook page that the red and black bus can be hired for private parties and is available with or without "ladys."

"ladys" in quotations?

Is this insinuating that the strippers are not what they seem to be?

I'll pass.

[Danny]

Considering they can't even spell ladies, I wouldn't read too much into the grammatical usage of quotations there.

[JediKooter]

In the Least Shocking News category: Bob Sanders placed on the IR.

[tucker rocky]

In the Least Shocking News category: Bob Sanders placed on the IR.

8 year career, played in 50, missed 78.

Injuries are just waiting around the corner for Bob Sanders.

[albionmoonlight]

Saints @ Jags. If the Saints are a Super Bowl contender, this is the kind of game that they should win with some ease.

I am most curious about Steelers at Texans. Both teams have a lot to prove in this game. And I have no idea which, if either, of them is for real.

[JediKooter]

8 year career, played in 50, missed 78.

Injuries are just waiting around the corner for Bob Sanders.

He's starting to remind me of Samuel L Jackson's character in Unbreakable.

[tucker rocky]

Saints @ Jags. If the Saints are a Super Bowl contender, this is the kind of game that they should win with some ease.

I am most curious about Steelers at Texans. Both teams have a lot to prove in this game. And I have no idea which, if either, of them is for real.

Could be a trap game for the Saints coming off tough battle with the Texans.
Steelers are coming off a lackluster performance against the QBless Colts.
Texans/Steelers could be a defensive struggle.

[tucker rocky]

Basically, all the matchups this week, there is no clear winner to pick.

BUF @ CIN
MIN @ KC
DET @ DAL
SF @ PHI
CAR @ CHI
NO @ JAC
WAS @ STL
PIT @ HOU
TEN @ CLE
NYG @ ARI
ATL @ SEA
DEN @ GB
NE @ OAK
MIA @ SD
NYJ @ BAL Sun night
IND @ TB Mon night

[larrymcg421]

Uh, SD over Miami.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Uh, TB over Indianapolis.

[Radii]

GB over Denver. I assume Philly and Chicago are pretty solid favorites too.

[Lathum]

Basically, all the matchups this week, there is no clear winner to pick.

BUF @ CIN
MIN @ KC
DET @ DAL
SF @ PHI
CAR @ CHI
NO @ JAC
WAS @ STL
PIT @ HOU
TEN @ CLE
NYG @ ARI
ATL @ SEA
DEN @ GB
NE @ OAK
MIA @ SD
NYJ @ BAL Sun night
IND @ TB Mon night

Don't really agree with that statement. I think Philly, Chicago, Green Bay, San Diego, and Tampa are all solid picks to win.

[Danny]

Basically, all the matchups this week, there is no clear winner to pick.

BUF @ CIN
MIN @ KC
DET @ DAL
SF @ PHI
CAR @ CHI
NO @ JAC
WAS @ STL
PIT @ HOU
TEN @ CLE
NYG @ ARI
ATL @ SEA
DEN @ GB
NE @ OAK
MIA @ SD
NYJ @ BAL Sun night
IND @ TB Mon night

Really? I'd say a healthy GB at home against a crappy Denver team is as easy as it gets. The last poster laid out some other pretty easy ones as well.

[JediKooter]

I would say San Diego is a lock over Miami, but, they are coached by Norv Turner. Nothing is easy when he's the head coach.

[tucker rocky]

I'll just say that there will probably be some disappointed fans, whose team thought they should win.

Winless teams desperate for a win, unbeaten teams falling in a trap.

[Galaxy]

And Tom Brady chops his hair:

Tom Brady finally cuts his hair: Patriots quarterback chops off long mane to debut buzz cut (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/09/28/2011-09-28_tom_brady_finally_cuts_his_hair_patriots_quarterback_chopa_off_long_mane_and_deb.html)

[Scoobz0202]

I'll sleep easy tonight. Thanks Galaxy ;)

[Matthean]

And Tom Brady chops his hair:

Tom Brady finally cuts his hair: Patriots quarterback chops off long mane to debut buzz cut (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/09/28/2011-09-28_tom_brady_finally_cuts_his_hair_patriots_quarterback_chopa_off_long_mane_and_deb.html)

He probably figured after 4 INTs his Sampson like mojo was finally gone so he might as well cut it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Should be interesting to see how the Lions perform this week in Dallas.

Dallas didn't look great against Washington. Felix Jones ran the ball pretty well and so long as he can stay on the field, Dez Bryant is very dangerous. The rest of the wideouts really didn't look all that impressive.

I think Rob Ryan has done a great job with the defense and DeMarcus Ware will give Jeff Backus fits all game, as will Anthony Spencer for whoever is starting at right tackle.

While it's no fault of their own, the teams the Lions have beat are a collective 2-7.

If the Lions do manage to pull this out and they go into the Monday night game against the Bears 4-0, the Ford field could be like Thunderdome, or worse, the Silverdome.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Great line from Terrell Suggs on NYJ-BAL, on Rex Ryan's return to Baltimore

Terrell Suggs, Baltimore Ravens hoping to defeat Rex Ryan, New York Jets again in Week 4 - Don Banks - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/09/29/ravens.jets/index.html?sct=nfl_wr_a1)


"We loved him when he was here,'' Suggs said Wednesday, in a lunch-hour phone interview. "Him and [current Jets defensive coordinator and ex-Ravens outside linebackers coach] Mike Pettine are responsible for a lot of guys here and what they've done in their careers, mine included. I love playing against Rex, because I think he gets to see his finest work up close. If he's Michelangelo, I was his Sistine Chapel. He gets to see what he created. He gets to coach against the very beast, the monster, he helped create.''

[JAG]

Should be interesting to see how the Lions perform this week in Dallas.

Dallas didn't look great against Washington. Felix Jones ran the ball pretty well and so long as he can stay on the field, Dez Bryant is very dangerous. The rest of the wideouts really didn't look all that impressive.

I think Rob Ryan has done a great job with the defense and DeMarcus Ware will give Jeff Backus fits all game, as will Anthony Spencer for whoever is starting at right tackle.

While it's no fault of their own, the teams the Lions have beat are a collective 2-7.

If the Lions do manage to pull this out and they go into the Monday night game against the Bears 4-0, the Ford field could be like Thunderdome, or worse, the Silverdome.

I would be surprised if Dallas can pull off the win. Romo is not 100%, Bryant, if he even plays, isn't close to 100%. Detroit can very easily just rush four all game and still get good pressure. Dallas has done well defensively, much better than I expected, but they've also faced Sanchez, Alex Smith, and Grossman at QB, to say nothing of the fact they haven't played a WR like Calvin Johnson, who has at least 7 inches on all their CBs. The only positive things are the Lions will probably struggle to run the ball and will be under pressure from Dallas' decent pass rush.

[kingfc22]

So we have the idiot officials this week in Philly.

Smith throws a pass into the flat which was clearly forward and dropped but ruled a fumble. Then they say that the Niners are challenging if it was complete or not rather than if it was a forward pass.

Thanks for wasting a challenge.

[hoopsguy]

Cowboys up 7-0 on the Lions.

I think this is a pretty big game for Dallas. Washington and New York are off to 2-1 starts, everyone knows what the Eagles are supposed to be. Detroit is a team that has a good chance of being involved with wildcard tiebreakers later in the year. If Dallas aspires to being a playoff team this year, this would be the type of game they will need to win.

[kingfc22]

And a clear 15 yd leverage penalty missed...:banghead:

[hoopsguy]

Texans with a 19 play, 95 yard TD drive that took 11 minutes to start the game against the Steelers.

[Thomkal]

hey would you look at that-Carolina and Chicago both actually do have running games. Carolina was mostly runs in their first series, and Chicago ran the ball on every down including a failed QB draw near the goal line on 3rd down. I guess Mike Martz got the memo after the team ran for 12 yards last week. All three running backs had big runs for each team-Jay Cutler and Cam Newton look very happy so far. :)

[Thomkal]

And Newton perhaps should have stayed with the run, threw ball too high, got tipped into the hands of a Chicago defender for the Pick-6.

[hoopsguy]

Does Cam Newton still look happy after his pick-6?

[hoopsguy]

Looks like Detroit stopped Dallas on the 1 yard line on 4th down.

[fpres]

Texans with a 19 play, 95 yard TD drive that took 11 minutes to start the game against the Steelers.

It was the longest (timewise) drive in team history.

[Radii]

And Newton perhaps should have stayed with the run, threw ball too high, got tipped into the hands of a Chicago defender for the Pick-6.

I know that throw wasn't the best, but seriously, has a single positive thing happened yet this season when the ball has been thrown to Legedu Naanee??

[Swaggs]

Texans look really good against Steelers.

[Thomkal]

Steve Smith becomes the Panthers all time leading receiver after a Newton 60 or so yard bomb to a wide open Smith.

[Thomkal]

I know that throw wasn't the best, but seriously, has a single positive thing happened yet this season when the ball has been thrown to Legedu Naanee??

yeah he's definitely been a disappointment

[Thomkal]

Does Cam Newton still look happy after his pick-6?

hard to tell with that bright pink headband he's wearing. :D

[Radii]

Devin Hester fields a kickoff 9 yards deep in the end zone... and returns it to the Carolina 35...

[Thomkal]

yeah big play after big play so far Radii, been fun to watch

[Matthean]

Detroit thinking they are still playing Minnesota. Down 14-0.

[Radii]

why oh why do you punt it right to hester ever?

[Thomkal]

Man, Devin Hester broke one tackle on a punt return, and boom he's gone for a TD-setting a record for most punt returns for a TD in NFL history.

[hoopsguy]

Cowboys now up 14-0, guess we'll see if the Lions have another comeback in them.

[Thomkal]

why oh why do you punt it right to hester ever?

Yeah especially after he almost broke one for a TD just five minutes before.

[PilotMan]

I've seen the Pit-Hou game play out like this so many times in FOF. It usually ends up with my team getting its ass kicked.

[stevew]

Andre Johnson is probably out for the year.

[kingfc22]

Andre Johnson is probably out for the year.

Just saw the play...yea the invisible tackler is never a good sign.

[PilotMan]

My first thought as well.

[stevew]

Knee just broke and none of our defenders did it. He might be okay, but it looked awful.

[wade moore]

How the ()#&%*(&#% is nailing the kick returner AFTER he catches it "hitting a defenseless receiver"?!?!!

[Coffee Warlord]

Hope you took the over in the Bears-Panthers game. Jesus.

[Thomkal]

Andre Johnson is probably out for the year.

oh man that sucks

[Thomkal]

Newton with his second rushing TD of the game-its a shootout in Chicago!

[Radii]

Carolina has a legit chance to win here if they stop kicking the ball to Hester. Fun game either way!

[Dr. Sak]

Wonder how James Harrison feels being on the other side of a helmet to helmet hit.

[Thomkal]

Chicago has 24 points, Cutler has thrown 1 time-a catch by Roy Williams. Crazy

[Suburban Rhythm]

Wonder how James Harrison feels being on the other side of a helmet to helmet hit.

While this is 100% true, it highlights how a great rule in theory is terrible in practice when an OL or RB can lead with their helmet without penalty.

[Coffee Warlord]

Chicago has 24 points, Cutler has thrown 1 time-a catch by Roy Williams. Crazy

And it turns out its a good thing the run game is there today, 'cause Cutler once again has no pass blocking.

[kingfc22]

Ronnie Brown just won the BONEHEAD of the year award.

Thank you!!!

[cuervo72]

Ronnie Brown just won the BONEHEAD of the year award.

Thank you!!!

Yeah that was...guh.

[Matthean]

Ronnie Brown just won the BONEHEAD of the year award.

Thank you!!!

Backus just had nobody to block, stood there, and then completely let a defender on the outside flush Stafford out of the pocket.

17-3 Dallas.

[kingfc22]

Philly should be up 14-20 points right now.

[Radii]

Announcers are pissing me off a bit talking about clock management... they're inside the 30 with a full minute left and the announcers are talking about how Carolina could have had more time if they'd used a timeout before the bears punted or before the 2 minute warning... they have all the time in the world and 3 timeouts left!! If they were calling timeouts the way the announcers wanted the bears would be getting the ball back with like 1:45 left.

[bulletsponge]

houston shoots themselves in the foot again!

what a bunch of idiots

[bulletsponge]

they block a FG, return it for a td at end of half, but some idiot block in back on return when he didnt need to so wipes out the td

[stevew]

Danial Manning is awesome

[bulletsponge]

and it was the kicker he blocked and 10 yards behind the runner. what an idiot!

Texans football right there in a nutshell

[Thomkal]

And the guy who blocked it, got the penalty for the block in the back-hero and goat in one play

[Scoobz0202]

E.T.A. on the firing of Todd Haley? He apparently had to be separated from Cassel. Things got pretty heated.

[mckerney]

I guess it is a good thing the Vikings found out how to avoid sucking in the second half after playing an awesome first half. I just wish they'd found a better way to do it than sucking in the first.

[Dr. Sak]

Hearing that Andre Johnson's injury is a hammy not a knee

[Bearcat729]

The Browns are really stinking it up in the first half of the game today.

[Galaril]

The Browns are really stinking it up in the first half of the game today.

Hasselbeck is eating them up.

[stevew]

and it was the kicker he blocked and 10 yards behind the runner. what an idiot!

Texans football right there in a nutshell

He blocked Sepelvelda, who is probably a good enough athlete to make that play.

[Suburban Rhythm]

He blocked Sepelvelda, who is probably a good enough athlete to make that play.

...and tear a total of 6 ligaments in the process.

[stevew]

about time for the Steelers to start making plays. The Texans are pretenders, time to expose them.

[Matthean]

Lions outscored 40-3 in the past two first halves. Now down 27-3 to Dallas and simply being outclassed.

[Radii]

Newton is looking really, really good, great job avoiding defenders and finding open receivers on the run numerous times today, its really disappointing that Carolina didn't get any points on that last drive.

[kingfc22]

Hey Crabtree,

How about you run your pattern more than 2 yards downfield on 3rd and 6.

[bulletsponge]

if minnesota loses to the hapless cheifs someone needs to be benched and or fired

[hoopsguy]

if minnesota loses to the hapless cheifs someone needs to be benched and or fired

Sadly, at least from the Miami perspective, someone will lose this game.

[tarcone]

The Rams are just bad. Poor Bradford is just getting beat up and his receivers are dropping passes.

[kingfc22]

The Rams are just bad. Poor Bradford is just getting beat up and his receivers are dropping passes.

Totally thought they would win the West this season.

[Matthean]

Sadly, at least from the Miami perspective, someone will lose this game.

KC plays three of the winless teams including Miami at home. St. Louis looks to be 0-4 and it's one team I don't see taking Luck.

[mckerney]

if minnesota loses to the hapless cheifs someone needs to be benched and or fired

Musgrave should be fired regardless of the outcome.

Plus Spielman and Studwell need to be gone from the front office. The Wilfs have no idea how to run a franchise.

[hoopsguy]

Did something happen to Hightower for the Redskins? I thought he was the starting RB for that team, but no carries today?

[DeToxRox]

another Romo pick six puts Detroit 10 down.

[wade moore]

Did something happen to Hightower for the Redskins? I thought he was the starting RB for that team, but no carries today?

Er, he has 8 carries.

Torain has been a beast, so he's been getting the carries since he came in as the 3rd RB.

[bulletsponge]

Romo trying to get Detroit back in it

[Northwood_DK]

Was that the 49ers with a deep pass !!!

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, haven't seen him show up on the stats at NFL.com but maybe he just hasn't eclipsed the yardage by the other two guys (Torian + Helu).

[kingfc22]

Was that the 49ers with a deep pass !!!

Shocking! Also, this team is much better with Hunter in the backfield than with Gore. Yes, I said it.

[kingfc22]

And just like that the Niners have found some offensive momentum. Only took 3.5 weeks.

[rjolley]

I'm surprised Minnesota is doing as poorly as they are this season. Figured the NFC North would be a close battle this year with everyone between 10-6 and 7-9 and every conference game a battle. Right now, look like conference games with Minny won't be as challenging.

[wade moore]

Hmm, haven't seen him show up on the stats at NFL.com but maybe he just hasn't eclipsed the yardage by the other two guys (Torian + Helu).

Correct, he has less yards.

If you go to the expanded stats, he's there.



The Rams receivers are AWFUL.

[kingfc22]

I have no idea how we SF is still in the game, but a nice 7-8 minutes TD drive right here would be perfect...

[mckerney]

Vikings got a freebie with Jenkins TD catch not being reviewed when it looked like he only got one foot down on the replay.

[Matthean]

And the Lions are within 6.

[kingfc22]

Megatron is amazing.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I have no idea how we SF is still in the game, but a nice 7-8 minutes TD drive right here would be perfect...

Not being able to watch right now is killing me. Following along on the internet and seeing Gore at 9 yards a carry and Smith at 10 yards an attempt, I'm wondering how they're not crushing the Eagles.

[Scoobz0202]

Megatron is amazing.

Triple coverage isn't even enough.

[kingfc22]

Not being able to watch right now is killing me. Following along on the internet and seeing Gore at 9 yards a carry and Smith at 10 yards an attempt, I'm wondering how they're not crushing the Eagles.

Gore had one 40+ yard carry and has seen little action which is why his numbers "look" good. Eagles have had to settle for a bunch of FG's and Ronnie Brown decided to literally give the Niners the ball inside our own 5 as Philly was going to score again.

[stevew]

Horrible performance by the Steelers today.

[stevew]

I like how FOX is showing Premier League action, but I don't like how it's only in SD.

[Matthean]

Bills and Bengels tied at 20. It was 17-3 Buffalo.

[mckerney]

I'm glad Musgrave went with his plan of getting Berrian more involved this week. 1 catch for 20 yards on 6 targets.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Woohoo! Chiefs finally get a win!

[Matthean]

I just want to point out a Mike Martz offense has a 200 yard rusher.

[stevew]

If you told me the Steelers have never won a game in Houston during my lifetime, I would probably believe you.

[MJ4H]

I am concerned about this boys of cow game.

[Northwood_DK]

Hunter and Gore looks like a nice combo

[kingfc22]

Hell freaking YES!!!

[MJ4H]

omfg romo lol

[DeToxRox]

lol Romo

[Matthean]

Romo decided to prove he was one of the best QBs in the league by going out and pulling a Brady vs. the Bills.

[kingfc22]

Come on D!!!

[bulletsponge]

im embarassed by this Viqueens team. the only consolation is were leading in the "suck for Luck" catagory

[kingfc22]

HELL YES!

Back to back east coast road wins? Who are these Niners?!!!

[Radii]

eagles and cowboys in a spirited "who can choke the hardest" contest today. Very impressive by both.

[Northwood_DK]

Come on D!!!

Now thats a big play :popcorn:

[MJ4H]

welp

[Schmidty]

CJ WOOOOO!!!!!!!

[bulletsponge]

Dallas :(

[whomario]

Megatron with another ridiculous play, this isn´t even fair anymore what he´s doing out there.
Hope he is ok after the fall !

[kingfc22]

Jim Harbaugh has this team 3-1 while the "dream team" is 1-3. Wow!

[Shkspr]

Megatron with another ridiculous play, this isn´t even fair anymore what he´s doing out there.
Hope he is ok after the fall !

Not to worry, Cowboys fans. They've got at least two receivers better than Megatron.

[Radii]

CALVIN JOHNSON. Seems a fitting time to post my favorite sports highlight on youtube:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/wXRqyjzyBRg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:D :D

[Schmidty]

LIONS BABY!!!!!!! :D

[MJ4H]

what the hell was that why did nobody including the announcers and players know that was 4th down?

[Radii]

hahah did felix jones just trot out of bounds on 4th down? Glorious.

[kingfc22]

hahah did felix jones just trot out of bounds on 4th down? Glorious.

Fantastic!

[Honolulu_Blue]

YES!!!!!!

Comeback kids!!!

Who needs a first half?

[Danny]

Buck, and Aikman are dumb asses. Amazing how they never realized it was 4th down that whole time

[Schmidty]

Hey fat Dallas coordinator guy - Still think Austin and Bryant are better than CJ? Jackass.

[Matthean]

what the hell was that why did nobody including the announcers and players know that was 4th down?

I was scratching my head when they said the Cowboys had one final shot.

[Matthean]

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RT @SheilKapadia (http://twitter.com/%40SheilKapadia): Nnamdi Asomugha has been beat for a gain of 25+ yards in three of four games. Also has a 41-yard PI penalty (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=penalty) on his resume.</td></tr></tr></tbody></table>

[JPhillips]

YES!!!!!!

Comeback kids!!!

Who needs a first half?

This. Except for the Bengals.

[Shkspr]

Hey fat Dallas coordinator guy - Still think Austin and Bryant are better than CJ? Jackass.

Maybe RR meant Carpenter and Houston, not Austin and Bryant.

[Pumpy Tudors]

If you told me the Steelers have never won a game in Houston during my lifetime, I would probably believe you.
:lol:

[kingfc22]

Very nice catch by V. Jackson.

[Matthean]

Watching the Cowboys play late is like watching somebody walk into a dark basement in a horror movie...you just KNOW
Another one from the ESPN chat.

EDIT: Lions have played 3 games on the road so they are down to 5 road games with 7 at home.

[SirFozzie]

if seymour has any more penalties.. I will start to expect seymour hitting the raiders coach on the sidelines with a steel chair

[jeff061]

I think this might be the worst Patriots defense since the 90s and it seems to get worse every game.

[mckerney]

I'm surprised Minnesota is doing as poorly as they are this season. Figured the NFC North would be a close battle this year with everyone between 10-6 and 7-9 and every conference game a battle. Right now, look like conference games with Minny won't be as challenging.

I thought they'd be bad, though they've been a little worse that I was expecting. I thought they'd win 4-6 games, though right now a loss to Arizona next week and they're looking at starting the month of December with a 0-11 record being a strong possibility.

The Vikings have a few very good players, but their front office is one of the worst in the league and there's very little around them. Coaching is a big problem too, when Bill Musgrave was hired it sounded like he'd be a bad offensive coordinator and so far he's failed to live up to very low expectations.

[Thomkal]

Larry Fitzgerald now has the franchise record for receiving yards after another great catch.

[SirFozzie]

ridley's believe it or not!

[RomaGoth]

Horrible performance by the Steelers today.

Has to be the worst O-line in the NFL.

[Sublime 2]

This is some super strange officiating in the Pats/Raiders game.

[DeToxRox]

Explain.

[cuervo72]

Explain.

He would, but then he'd be bullied into posting an apology thread.

[MizzouRah]

The Rams are just bad. Poor Bradford is just getting beat up and his receivers are dropping passes.

You can say that again.. :(

[stevew]

FAT MAN RUNNING

[jeff061]

Wilfork = Fat Deion Sanders.

[JPhillips]

Wow. Huge mistake by the Giants receiver missed by the officials.

[bulletsponge]

^^that wr is dumb enough to play for Houston^^

[Rizon]

I would be shocked, shocked, shocked if Sparano and Ireland have jobs in Miami after Monday. This is a team spiraling out of control. WHATUP J LO.

[Big Fo]

I would be shocked, shocked, shocked if Sparano and Ireland have jobs in Miami after Monday. This is a team spiraling out of control. WHATUP J LO.

They might as well keep those two around a few more months. At this point the target should be 1-15.

[bulletsponge]

They might as well keep those two around a few more months. At this point the target should be 1-15.

no they can still salvage the season!

[Lathum]

Wow. Huge mistake by the Giants receiver missed by the officials.

They are saying he gave himself up and that can't be challenged, which given the spot the game was in is silly. Not even going to try and sugarcoat how lucky the Giants got.

That being said, this team has had every reason in the world to quit given the injuries and all, and instead are 3-1 and playing as a cohesive unit. The way they cam back today shows the team is invested in the season and believes in the coaching staff. I am really pumped up. We get Seattle at home next week and look good to go 4-1. Never would have thought that at the start of the season.

[Buccaneer]

So a coach and GM should be instantly fired for starting 0-4? It's not like 0-4 is that unusual, especially for a team that had low expectations to begin with.

[Izulde]

They might as well keep those two around a few more months. At this point the target should be 1-15.

This.

Suck for Luck and then fire Sparano and Ireland after the season.

[Julio Riddols]

Suck for Luck has to be the name of an Irish midget themed porn series.

[Izulde]

So a coach and GM should be instantly fired for starting 0-4? It's not like 0-4 is that unusual, especially for a team that had low expectations to begin with.

Let's not be disingenuous here, shall we? Sparano and Ireland have a terrible track record the last few seasons with no signs of improvement.

FWIW, SI considered Miami a 7 win capable team because of the defense. Granted, I laughed for five minutes at that, but still.

[QuikSand]

So a coach and GM should be instantly fired for starting 0-4? It's not like 0-4 is that unusual, especially for a team that had low expectations to begin with.

I don't think it's just 0-4, it's that the franchise doesn't seem to have a sense of direction. I don't see anything in the current front office that sells me at all on the future, or the present. These guys need to be gone. I don't really give a damn whether it happens tomorrow or at season's end, but this bullshit really cannot stand.

[Thomkal]

Wow. Huge mistake by the Giants receiver missed by the officials.

So what exactly happened here? Didn't have the game here so could only go by fandom chatroom. Sounds like my pretty sucky Cards got robbed here.

[Thomkal]

Completely disgusted with my Cards. They actually have a running game today-with Beanie Wells rushing for over 130 yards and 3 TD's, and a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter and completely fall apart and lose. :(

[hoopsguy]

They might as well keep those two around a few more months. At this point the target should be 1-15.

Can't be too careful, 1-15 might not be enough this year.

[Matthean]

Suck for Luck down to four: Minn, Indy, Miami and St. Louis.

[gkb]

Is the biggest issue with the Cowboys Romo? That seems like a weird question to ask, but wow...

The Broncos are bad. Are they bad enough to get Andrew Luck? I don't know, looking at their schedule they have the following winnable games:

@Miami
@Minnesota
Kansas City

Honestly I'm not sure they can win on the road against anyone.

[Lathum]

Is the biggest issue with the Cowboys Romo? That seems like a weird question to ask, but wow....

freaking joke you even have to ask that question. Cowboys are 0-4 without Romo.

[Matthean]

freaking joke you even have to ask that question. Cowboys are 0-4 without Romo.

I don't think this is a case like the Colts where they instantly tank without Manning. He has talent to put up numbers, but he's absolutely to blame for two of their losses.

[hoopsguy]

Suck for Luck down to four: Minn, Indy, Miami and St. Louis.

Of those four, I think Rams have too easy a division and the Colts are going to win something at some point. But if the Vikes go to Ponder at mid-season, they just might have what it takes to challenge the Dolphins.

Take the Dolphins out here and I might be convinced to take the field - Chiefs, Jags, and maybe some other lousy team with a couple of wins can still make a run at a 3-13 mark. But the Dolphins really do stink and 3-13 feels ambitious with this coaching staff + roster.

[Lathum]

I don't think this is a case like the Colts where they instantly tank without Manning. He has talent to put up numbers, but he's absolutely to blame for two of their losses.

and give him credit for their wins. Did you see how Kitna played when he was in there?

[B & B]

freaking joke you even have to ask that question. Cowboys are 0-4 without Romo.

At the beginning of the 4th quarter,every game from now on, pull Romo and put in Skeletor.


Im confident that the Boys would be 4-0 with Kitna making safe 6 yd passes and handoffs.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Im confident that the Boys would be 4-0 with Kitna making safe 6 yd passes and handoffs.

HEH!!!

:lol:

[Matthean]

and give him credit for their wins. Did you see how Kitna played when he was in there?

My guess is a number of 2-2 teams would be 0-4, or 1-3 without their starting QB. He's like Good and Bad Rex. You know it's coming. It's just a matter of what "it" is. There's no way I would bet money on his success if it were a playoff game.

[mauchow]

The Rams would go for Luck with Bradford? Just wondering.

[Matthean]

The Rams would go for Luck with Bradford? Just wondering.

Highly unlikely since they spent pick 1.1 type of money on him in the old system and the fact that they have far bigger issues. Now, if they get the first pick, I bet they listen to a number of offers to trade down.

[hoopsguy]

The idea that Lathum is defending Romo against the masses is pretty humorous to me. I'm just waiting for EagleFan and DaddyTorgo to jump in backing Lathum and I'll know I've entered bizarro FOFC.

[JPhillips]

Trading Luck would bring a huge haul under the new salary system. The Rams or Colts would be smart to trade down and fill multiple holes.

[Racer]

Trading Luck would bring a huge haul under the new salary system. The Rams or Colts would be smart to trade down and fill multiple holes.

You don't pass on a probable top 5 QB unless you already have one. Just look at all the Super Bowl champions recently. Manning will be 36 next season. If they have a chance to grab his replacement, they need to draft him. You can sit Luck for a year or two and then probably trade Manning for a late 1st.

[Logan]

How many excuses can Collinsworth make for Sanchez not being able to handle a snap?

[Lathum]

Just like last year when they lost so much without Romo? Oh, that's right, they were 4-5 with way past his prime Jon Kitna. The Cowboys are 2-2 and both of those are entirely on Romo. He's not a great QB.

1-3?

You must be in denial about them beating the Redskins

[Matthean]

1-3?

You must be in denial about them beating the Redskins

As much denial as you are in defending Blomo.

[B & B]

How many excuses can Collinsworth make for Sanchez not being able to handle a snap?

I dunno, but this is THE WORST GAME that the NFL has put out today. Poor playcalling, poor execution and just sloppy. Its not about putting up points or big plays as much as its about fundamentals. Route running, catching the ball, securing the ball, blocking assignments, etc. This is just piss poor football.

Seriously, this is less entertaining than the Chefs/Viqueens game.

[JPhillips]

You don't pass on a probable top 5 QB unless you already have one. Just look at all the Super Bowl champions recently. Manning will be 36 next season. If they have a chance to grab his replacement, they need to draft him. You can sit Luck for a year or two and then probably trade Manning for a late 1st.

I think Manning has three or four years left. If he does the Colts need to try to win with him at the helm rather than try to reload for another decade. If they could fill three needs and Manning returns they'd be crazy not to.

[DeToxRox]

For those who missed the Ronnie Brown disaster earlier:

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RONNIE-BROWN-PASS-ATTEMPT.gif

[bronconick]

Attn: Rob Ryan

Would you like to tell us all again how Calvin Johnson would be the #3 wide receiver on the Cowboys? Go cut your hair, you fat fucking Lebowski wannabe.

Yours,
Detroit fans.

[kingfc22]

For those who missed the Ronnie Brown disaster earlier

beautiful :D

Also, what is going on with this SNF game?! Might as well punt on first down to keep the other team from scoring.

[DeToxRox]

This SNF game is nuts. Two pick sixes, a KR TD and two FR TD's.

[kingfc22]

This SNF game is nuts. Two pick sixes, a KR TD and two FR TD's.

I'm sure a bunch of people are going to check their fantasy teams tomorrow morning and say WTF as they probably thought they had a certain victory.

[DeToxRox]

Packers signed WR Jordy Nelson to a three-year, $13.35 million extension through 2014. The deal contains $5 million guaranteed.

Not a big financial hit for the team (a bargain honestly) but I really wonder if they are going to bring Finley back. I just don't see how they can afford it.

[Desnudo]

Just like last year when they lost so much without Romo? Oh, that's right, they were 4-5 with way past his prime Jon Kitna. The Cowboys are 2-2 and both of those are entirely on Romo. He's not a great QB.

There are a ton of QBs that are worse than Romo. So they have a relatively bad team and Romo isn't Peyton Manning. This is like blaming Sam Bradford for the Rams losses. Other than Jason Witten, who exactly is Romo throwing to on offense?

[Buccaneer]

I don't think it's just 0-4, it's that the franchise doesn't seem to have a sense of direction. I don't see anything in the current front office that sells me at all on the future, or the present. These guys need to be gone. I don't really give a damn whether it happens tomorrow or at season's end, but this bullshit really cannot stand.

Ok, a couple of questions, not knowing what the front office have or have not done. Looking at the first four game, at best the Dolphins would have been 1-3. A 1-point loss to Cleveland being the difference. They have a good running game and it appears the backup QB is not terrible. Why all the indignation at this specific point in the season? What makes the Dolphins any worse than other teams that have poor-mediocre QBs and/or bad pass defense, esp. when they get to draft again next season? Would it better to be Denver with backup Quinn/Tebow and an aging, injured defense? I don't know what specific actions or inactions the front office has done or whether the team has quit, is that the reason? But I look at the Vikings, Rams, Broncos, Colts without Manning, Jaguars, Seahawks and don't see much difference between them and the Dolphins. All have performed at or one-game below expectations at this point. Just wondering.

[DaddyTorgo]

You don't pass on a probable top 5 QB unless you already have one. Just look at all the Super Bowl champions recently. Manning will be 36 next season. If they have a chance to grab his replacement, they need to draft him. You can sit Luck for a year or two and then probably trade Manning for a late 1st.

You're drunk if you think they could trade a 38 year-old Manning for a late 1st.

[Matthean]

There are a ton of QBs that are worse than Romo. So they have a relatively bad team and Romo isn't Peyton Manning. This is like blaming Sam Bradford for the Rams losses. Other than Jason Witten, who exactly is Romo throwing to on offense?

Oh come on. Dallas has two better WRs than Detroit does. :lol:

Ok, a couple of questions, not knowing what the front office have or have not done. Looking at the first four game, at best the Dolphins would have been 1-3. A 1-point loss to Cleveland being the difference. They have a good running game and it appears the backup QB is not terrible. Why all the indignation at this specific point in the season? What makes the Dolphins any worse than other teams that have poor-mediocre QBs and/or bad pass defense, esp. when they get to draft again next season? Would it better to be Denver with backup Quinn/Tebow and an aging, injured defense? I don't know what specific actions or inactions the front office has done or whether the team has quit, is that the reason? But I look at the Vikings, Rams, Broncos, Colts without Manning, Jaguars, Seahawks and don't see much difference between them and the Dolphins. All have performed at or one-game below expectations at this point. Just wondering.

The difference is you aren't getting a Luck level QB in the 2013 draft if he is in the next draft. If you are sitting there with the number one pick, a middle ground QB as your starter, and there is a 99 graded QB in the draft, do you honestly not pick him?

[TroyF]

Ok, a couple of questions, not knowing what the front office have or have not done. Looking at the first four game, at best the Dolphins would have been 1-3. A 1-point loss to Cleveland being the difference. They have a good running game and it appears the backup QB is not terrible. Why all the indignation at this specific point in the season? What makes the Dolphins any worse than other teams that have poor-mediocre QBs and/or bad pass defense, esp. when they get to draft again next season? Would it better to be Denver with backup Quinn/Tebow and an aging, injured defense? I don't know what specific actions or inactions the front office has done or whether the team has quit, is that the reason? But I look at the Vikings, Rams, Broncos, Colts without Manning, Jaguars, Seahawks and don't see much difference between them and the Dolphins. All have performed at or one-game below expectations at this point. Just wondering.


Vikings have a coach in his first full year.
Rams are looking at 0-7, the heat will start to be turned up there soon.
Colts lost Manning (as you said)
Jaguars - Del Rio is as good as gone.
Seahawks - Who the hell knows what they are doing, but they did win a playoff game last year.
Broncos - Fox in his first year

In Sparano, you are looking at a guy in his fourth year and his team seems to be getting progressively worse. Not to mention a only winning 1 of their last 12 games at home. (that type of home record will put anyone at serious risk)

[DeToxRox]

So Dez Bryant was talking shit after a catch that was actually incomplete. Schwartz challenged it and during the challenge Dez kept talking. Schwartz was all too ready to let him know it was incomplete in case he didn't hear the ref:

http://gifsoup.com/view2/3051829/jim-schwartz-lovelove-o.gif

[hoopsguy]

I'm sure a bunch of people are going to check their fantasy teams tomorrow morning and say WTF as they probably thought they had a certain victory.

Was listening to this one on radio, knowing opponent had Sanchez + Ravens D and I had Jets D.


Advantage ... push.

[Matthean]

I don't need to hear what he said at the end. I think I can figure it out. :lol:

[TroyF]

Suck for Luck down to four: Minn, Indy, Miami and St. Louis.

This has already been mentioned, but I think it goes way beyond those four. The Broncos are a bad, bad football team. Really, really bad.

KC got by Minnesota, but I'd hardly put them on safe ground. (I think the two with Denver and the one in Indy next week are their best bets for future wins)

I wouldn't eliminate Jacksonville from the discussion either. They have a young QB, a coach on the way out, and they can't score to save their lives.They got that victory over the Titans in week one, but I'm not betting on them to get a lot more of those before the year is out.

[DeToxRox]

I don't need to hear what he said at the end. I think I can figure it out. :lol:

I love Schwartz so, so much.

[Matthean]

This has already been mentioned, but I think it goes way beyond those four.

Keeping it simple for now. I don't feel like weeding through 1 win teams at this point. I would have to include the Eagles. :lol:

[Thomkal]

Ok I've seen the play in question now in the Cards/Giants game that was controversial. And even as a Cards fan, I have to say it was the correct call. If the rule didn't exist about intentionally going down or whatever it was, then yeah it was a fumble because he didn't stumble and fall, he dove to get a couple extra yards knowing he was about to be tackled by two guys. But you can see by his reaction how he gets up after he left the ball on the ground, he was going back to his team rather than try to get up and advance the ball further.

So the Cards can only blame themselves for their only bad play in letting the Giants back in the game and then the win.

[Logan]

I admire your stance given you're a Cards fan but I disagree. Diving to get a couple extra yards doesn't match "giving yourself up". If you are giving yourself up, you're not trying to gain extra yardage. Times I've seen that applied (correctly) are when you get a pooch kickoff and one of the up men catches it and immediately turtles. They don't wait to blow the whistle and force someone on the kicking team to touch him to be down by contact.

[Thomkal]

I admire your stance given you're a Cards fan but I disagree. Diving to get a couple extra yards doesn't match "giving yourself up". If you are giving yourself up, you're not trying to gain extra yardage. Times I've seen that applied (correctly) are when you get a pooch kickoff and one of the up men catches it and immediately turtles. They don't wait to blow the whistle and force someone on the kicking team to touch him to be down by contact.

Perhaps dove forward was a bad choice of words on my part-to me he simply laid down knowing he was going to be tackled rather than aggresively dive-and then when he got up and turned back to his team rather than try to get more yards is what caused the refs to use this rule. It was a stupid move on the receivers part-because it easily could have been called a fumble and the old head of officiating, Mike Perreria thought it should have been a fumble. To me, he did simply look like he gave himself up and made no move to continue the play once down.

[Logan]

I think his reaction after ARI picked up the ball made it seem like he thought he was down by contact, and Manning with his "WTF?" reaction didn't think he gave himself up. We can disagree...like I said, admirable on your end.

[larrymcg421]

The problem with Sparano has always been that he coaches like a nit. He never presses the advantage. Even in his first year when we won the division title, we won a ton of close games playing very safe and very conservative. Then there was that infamous Colts game where we held the ball for over 40 minutes and still lost. And now three times this season, the Dolphins have been faced with 4th quarter situations where we needed a TD and each time settled for a FG, only for the other team to put the game away on the very next drive.

[Buccaneer]

Thanks Troy.

[Thomkal]

I think his reaction after ARI picked up the ball made it seem like he thought he was down by contact, and Manning with his "WTF?" reaction didn't think he gave himself up. We can disagree...like I said, admirable on your end.

After posting what I did, I was watching Mike and Mike on ESPN and they were both agreeing with my stance on it-and then I heard Victor Cruz and Eli Manning talk about it for the first time-Manning thought for sure it was going to be called a fumble. Cruz said he did go down on purpose, so it wasn't a slip or stumble, but said what you thought-he thought an Arizona player had made contact with him so he was down. Eric Mangini was a guest on the show and said it should have been called a fumble.

So I guess I'm half mad at the refs then. :) If the NFL agrees with you, and so far they aren't, this would be the second time this season the Cards would get an "apology letter" from the league for a blown call (first was in the Carolina game where it should have been an interception of Cam Newton called when it was not) that could have affected the result of the game. Cards luckily won the Carolina game, but yeah really could have been screwed here.

[SteveMax58]

I think his reaction after ARI picked up the ball made it seem like he thought he was down by contact, and Manning with his "WTF?" reaction didn't think he gave himself up. We can disagree...like I said, admirable on your end.

Yeah, but I honestly don't believe most players know every rule in the rulebook. Plus I have seen (and I'm sure they have seen) similar plays ruled a fumble in the past (see: Plaxico Burress rookie season). But if you go by the rule, as stated, I think you could make a pretty fair argument that getting up (even untouched) from the ground, spinning the ball, and walking back to the huddle is a clear indication the receiver "gave himself up" and made no attempt to advance the ball further.

I was shocked at the time of the play myself, based on how I've seen this called previously, and thought "Gah! Fumble! YOU IDIOT!". But I think they honestly implemented the rule correctly and would say that most refs have implemented it incorrectly in the past. Sort of like the Brady rule...might be BS, but until they revise the language in the rule, I think the refs implemented it correctly.

As a side note...I thought he gave himself up watching it live and still thought so even after Mike P and the others were saying he stumbled. I saw it the same as Thomkal which was he saw he wasn't getting much further and wanted to protect the 1st down catch by going to the ground (which put us in FG range). I was glad to see him go down and not do something stupid (until of course seeing him get up without the ball).

[SteveMax58]

After posting what I did, I was watching Mike and Mike on ESPN and they were both agreeing with my stance on it-and then I heard Victor Cruz and Eli Manning talk about it for the first time-Manning thought for sure it was going to be called a fumble. Cruz said he did go down on purpose, so it wasn't a slip or stumble, but said what you thought-he thought an Arizona player had made contact with him so he was down. Eric Mangini was a guest on the show and said it should have been called a fumble.

That is what I thought I saw during the game. It looked like Cruz thought he was touched down, but then Manning reacted to the Cards picking the ball up (as I doubt Manning had a great view of whether he was down by contact).

I agree though that the Cards did get hosed on this call, compared with previous rulings of this call. This is just like the Brady tuck ruling...where the first time its ruled "correctly" is a real eye-opener to address the language in the rulebook.

[Racer]

You're drunk if you think they could trade a 38 year-old Manning for a late 1st.

Really? I think it's certainly possible they could get a late 1st for Manning if they traded him before the 2013 season (he'd be 37 then).

A 33 year old Donovan McNabb was traded for the 37th overall pick and a 4th rounder in 2010.

The 49ers traded Joe Montana, then 36 years old, safety David Whitmore, and a 1994 third round pick to the Chiefs for the 18th overall pick in 1993.

I don't think a late 1st would be out of the question for a team that needed a QB and felt like they had 2 or 3 years left to try to win a Super Bowl with their current core group of players.

[bulletsponge]

Really? I think it's certainly possible they could get a late 1st for Manning if they traded him before the 2013 season (he'd be 37 then).

A 33 year old Donovan McNabb was traded for the 37th overall pick and a 4th rounder in 2010.





Ill take a week old egg salad truck stop sandwich for Mcnabb right about now

[spleen1015]

No freaking way the Colts trade Manning for anything. That will never happen in a million years.

If the Colts wind up with the #1 pick, they need to trade down and get a boat load of picks and draft difference makers on defense or just draft a big difference maker on defense.

[cuervo72]

No freaking way the Colts trade Manning for anything. That will never happen in a million years.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/08/unitas.jpg

[spleen1015]

Jim Irsay is not his father.

No freaking way.

[Racer]

Dan Snyder drunk trading doesn't count.



Neither example is someone coming off multiple major neck surgeries. That difference alone will make teams more likely to avoid Manning.

Joe Montana did have a major elbow injury in 1990 NFC Championship game though which caused him to miss the entire 1991 season and part of the 1992 season. In fact, he didn't even start a single regular season game in 1992.

If Manning comes back healthy next year and plays, I could see a team gambling a late 2013 1st round pick on the off chance the Colts end up with the number one overall pick. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the Colts could get a late 1st rounder for Manning but I don't think it's out of the question like you're suggesting.

I think they will take Luck should they land the #1 overall pick based on the Polians BPA drafting method. I've heard Bill wasn't willing to trade the #1 overall pick the year they took Manning for even a King's ransom. Drafting Luck might be Bill's way of handing the reigns of the Colts operation off to his son Chris who is gaining more responsibility in the Colts decisions each year.

I've also heard that while Manning should be able to come back from this injury, if he ever takes an extremely hard hit that his career could be over. That is one thing that could make other teams hesitant to give up a 1st for Manning but is also another reason why I think the Colts would take Luck.

[JediKooter]

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/08/unitas.jpg

Johnny U!!!

[JediKooter]

And of course, where the Chargers should have beat Miami by at least two touchdowns, can't even do that against the Dolphin's back up quarterback. At least they are 2 for 2 in knocking out a Miami quarterback when they've played them.

[RainMaker]

why oh why do you punt it right to hester ever?
The crazy thing about Hester is while a lot of people focus on the TDs, he actually gets a ton of those 50-70 yard returns too that don't go. I just don't get why anyone ever punts it to him.

[Ksyrup]

After posting what I did, I was watching Mike and Mike on ESPN and they were both agreeing with my stance on it-and then I heard Victor Cruz and Eli Manning talk about it for the first time-Manning thought for sure it was going to be called a fumble. Cruz said he did go down on purpose, so it wasn't a slip or stumble, but said what you thought-he thought an Arizona player had made contact with him so he was down. Eric Mangini was a guest on the show and said it should have been called a fumble.

So I guess I'm half mad at the refs then. :) If the NFL agrees with you, and so far they aren't, this would be the second time this season the Cards would get an "apology letter" from the league for a blown call (first was in the Carolina game where it should have been an interception of Cam Newton called when it was not) that could have affected the result of the game. Cards luckily won the Carolina game, but yeah really could have been screwed here.

I'm not sure there's anyone to really get mad at. The rule exists, and it came down to judging the player's intent. He put the ball down and walked back to the huddle. In the ref's mind, he was giving himself up. Hard to judge that he had made a mistake instead of willingly gave himself up. I'm sure the ref would agree with you, if he knew the player's intent (or lack of intent).

[Young Drachma]

ESPN pulls Hank Williams Jr.'s 'Are Your Ready' opening from MNF - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7056003/espn-pulls-hank-williams-jr-your-ready-opening-mnf)

[Draft Dodger]

ESPN is know for their long history of doing the right thing with people who do bad things

[cuervo72]

I hope they incorporate more of the classic MNF song into the opening.

[Draft Dodger]

I hope they incorporate more of the classic MNF song into the opening.

they should just use a nice German polka

[Rizon]

ESPN pulls Hank Williams Jr.'s 'Are Your Ready' opening from MNF - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7056003/espn-pulls-hank-williams-jr-your-ready-opening-mnf)

No more crappy cuntry music during the intro anymore??? Darn!

[JediKooter]

They should get with the times and have Madonna do the opening song.

[bronconick]

No more crappy cuntry music during the intro anymore??? Darn!

It's ESPN. You think they'll change that just because one country boy stuck his foot in his mouth?

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_lO7_rMEE-k" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

[ColtCrazy]

While I agree with the notion that the Colts should take whatever pick they get and focus on defense and give Manning one last good shot at a championship...it just won't happen.

Either the defense will continue to play inspired like they did against Pittsburgh last week and Polian will talk himself into the fact that the defense is fine (he's thought it was fine all these years despite it being one of the Achilles heels of this team time and time again)

OR

The defense will collapse and he will figure they need to rebuild and he'll draft Luck to be mentored by Manning.

At the end, I'll always believe the Manning era was a success. I feel even stronger about that now considering how poorly we've drafted in recent years and the lack of quality on this team, which is basically the same team Manning willed to a 10-6 record.

[Matthean]

Watched the Williams Jr. clip. No clue way he was asked to due the segment. Even one of the show hosts mentions how he looks like he doesn't want to be there.

[Danny]

No clue way he was asked to due the segment.

Whaaaa????

[Passacaglia]

Are you ready for some Godwin?!?

[wade moore]

Why couldn't that have been Wayne? I need the fantasy points! ;)

[Matthean]

Whaaaa????

Ok, he's running for a political office. It just seem like a bad pairing from the get go and it certainly wasn't handled that well from Fox's standpoint with the comment about him not looking to want to be there so early on.

[Bigsmooth]

OMG that is a brutal injury. Foot is on backwards oh chit.

[DeToxRox]

Who got hurt? Have the Tigs game on.

[Logan]

Eric Foster.

Damn...I turned the game back on quickly, saw the guys praying and heard it was Foster and immediately thought neck injury because Foster at Rutgers was Eric LeGrand a class before.

[Scoobz0202]

God damn his ankle looked... god damn.

[mckerney]

Go Indy!

[Matthean]

Eric Foster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Foster)

Already updated.

[Thomkal]

here's the replay from ESPN on the injury-hard to see it, which is probably a good thing.

NFL Videos: Colts DT Foster's gruesome injury (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d822d0b0c/Colts-DT-Foster-s-gruesome-injury?module=HP11_cp)

[Matthean]

Painter still under 50% passing, but two huge TDs have them up 17-10.

[ColtCrazy]

Feel bad for Foster. He's been a great utility lineman for us, filling in on positions all along the defensive line. He's even played FB at times. Great guy, hope to see him recover for next year.

As for Painter...wow. Looks horrible, then makes one or two great throws. And Garcon is just a speed demon, when he catches the ball!!!

[Ksyrup]

I briefly turned the game on last night and thought I saw Jeff Spicoli playing QB for the Colts.

WHAT IN THE HELL'S GOING ON AROUND HERE?!

http://www.theuncool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/fasttimes.jpg

[wade moore]

I actually thought that Painter, for how AWFUL that OLine was, didn't look that bad.

Certainly looked better than Collins when I saw him playing.