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larrymcg421

10-06-2011, 02:23 PM

Any thoughts on this pilot? I thought it was a terrific show, with amazing performances from Damian Lewis and especially Claire Danes. Also good supporting work from Mandy Patinkin and Morena Baccarin.

I'm wondering what people think about Brody. I got into a debate with a friend on this. She thinks it's clear that he's been turned and is a terrorist. My take is that it's a bit more ambiguous. I think it's clear that he did some unseemly things while in captivity, beating his friend to death and giving information away. But I'm not so sure that he's part of a terrorist plot, or at least not consciously part of a terrorist plot. His weird activity since coming back (the nervous tick, the way he looks at the White House) could all just be him recovering and adjusting from the horrific experience. The whole point of making Danes character so unhinged seems to be so we would question whether she is paranoid or not.

flounder

10-06-2011, 02:42 PM

I just caught the last 15 minutes of the pilot, and I'm DVRing it so I can watch the whole thing. I thought that what I saw of it looked good. I agree that it's ambiguous. They'll probably keep the question open the entire season to keep the tension going.

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2011, 03:17 PM

I thought (as did the reviewers I saw) that it was pretty clear that he turned. Anyways, I agree, a great pilot (best of the season by far) and an eagerly looking forward to it.

flounder

10-08-2011, 07:10 PM

Just watched the full episode. This show really has potential. I still think the ending is ambiguous. Brody is holding a lot back about his time in captivity, but I think it's unclear if he has actually turned.

Between this and The Walking Dead though, I may start to get really tired of the "I thought my husband was dead so I nailed his best friend" plot line.

larrymcg421

10-10-2011, 06:41 PM

I really loved the 2nd episode of the show. One thing I was worried about is how they can stretch this out for a full season (and then how to continue beyond that), but the additional subplot of the undercover harem girl seems very promising.

I'm still not convinced (even with the prayer scene at the end) that it's clear he's turned. There's nothing he's done yet that couldn't be explained by him just trying to cope with 8 years of captivity.

I think Carrie is a very compelling main character. Claire Danes has given some good performances over the years, but this is the first time that she's had a role that lives up to her amazing debut on My So-Called Life.

Toddzilla

10-12-2011, 10:03 AM

I'm all-in on this show. They've got a fantastic cast and Mandy Patankin can do no wrong - the scene with him and the Judge (Michael McKeon) was pure understated awesomeness.

I like that they started this off from the start by having someone - esp a very flawed character - suspicious from the start about the POW coming home. That opens the whole show up to making everything the POW does equally benign and suspicious.

Fantastic writing so far, too bad this is a "one-and-done" series, as they absolutely have to wrap it up in one season or it becomes a parody of itself.

Logan

10-12-2011, 10:26 AM

larrymcg421

10-12-2011, 11:06 AM

All-in is a good way to put it. I watched both episodes last night after hearing all the praised and loved it.

Put me in the camp of it not being a simple "is he/is he not a terrorist". There's clearly some weird things going on, maybe he's on both sides, who knows.

As for the one season thing...I heard that the Israeli show it's based on is just starting a second season, but I'm not sure if it's a different story with some of the main characters/overarching storyline (kind of like 24).

The creators have said they have a 2nd season in mind. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with. Even if it doesn't involve Brody, I think Carrie is a dynamic enough character to carry the show on her own.

RainMaker

10-14-2011, 09:15 PM

I'm really digging this show. I imagine they'll extend it beyond a single season. Although Mandy Patinkin will probably quit by then.

larrymcg421

10-20-2011, 12:02 PM

Loved the last episode. Knew Lynn was going to be killed. However, I don't think she was made. I believe the prince was sincere in that video. His assistant is the one dealing with the terrorist and found Lynn as an easy way to transfer the money via the necklace.

Logan

10-20-2011, 12:06 PM

Pretty sure they presented that as the case.

stevew

10-20-2011, 12:08 PM

It's one thing that they are going to find out that he has flipped sides. I can't imagine the backlash when they figure out he has an English accent.

larrymcg421

10-20-2011, 12:11 PM

Pretty sure they presented that as the case.

Yeah I thought it was pretty clear too, but I've seen some people comment that she was made or that she wasn't made but the prince is still in on it.

Logan

10-20-2011, 12:17 PM

You know what she was? Hot. And naked frequently.

She'll be missed.

DanGarion

10-20-2011, 12:53 PM

Between this and The Walking Dead though, I may start to get really tired of the "I thought my husband was dead so I nailed his best friend" plot line.

But if that allows us to see the super sexy Morena Baccarin naked who cares...

DanGarion

10-20-2011, 12:58 PM

You know what she was? Hot. And naked frequently.

She'll be missed.

Ding!

larrymcg421

10-26-2011, 11:46 AM

Awesome news! Homeland renewed for 2nd season.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/26/homeland-renewed-for-season-two-by-showtime/108594/ (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/26/homeland-renewed-for-season-two-by-showtime/108594/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29)

Logan

10-26-2011, 11:48 AM

Still loving it.

I find it weird that a wife of that long of a time would call her husband by his last name. You would think that would've ended when they were dating.

larrymcg421

11-01-2011, 11:42 AM

Another strong episode. Lots of theories going around now that Saul could be the mole. He would've had the opportunity to slip the razor blade and warn Faisel's wife that he was being followed.

digamma

11-01-2011, 11:56 AM

The show is great. My only complaint so far is the end of episode 3, where they shifted the POV and we became a little omniscient in seeing the prince's body guard and the terrorist professor going about their terrorist business. Little too much of a reveal and "telling" rather than showing for me.

flounder

11-02-2011, 09:04 PM

Another strong episode. Lots of theories going around now that Saul could be the mole. He would've had the opportunity to slip the razor blade and warn Faisel's wife that he was being followed.

That actually never occurred to me. It would be a great way to write his character out of the show if he doesn't want to stick around for season 2.

larrymcg421

11-14-2011, 05:55 PM

Wow, that was an amazing episode and a shocking twist! This show continues to impress me. I really have no idea where this show is going and I love that. Danes deserves to win the Emmy.

Jas_lov

11-14-2011, 10:37 PM

This is by far the best new show on television. Danes and Patinkin carry the show and both deserve emmys. The new twist is fairly interesting and now the Brody character becomes less relevant. Hopefully they wrap up his wife and best friend troubles and focus more on the terrorism plot.

flounder

11-15-2011, 05:11 AM

I don't know. I think it's still possible Brody has turned. He certainly had an answer for every question Carrie asked, but who's to say he's not still keeping things back?

I could imagine that Abu Nazir gave him his cover story and then gave him a fallback story to tell if the CIA got too suspicious. From the previews, it looks like he's still going to be a big part of the show so I don't think we're done with him yet.

Toddzilla

11-15-2011, 10:02 AM

I absolutely HATE that they reset the entire show. Yeah, shocking twist, blah blah blah, but the main show dynamic between Brody and Carrie is now gone and we need to invest in a new guy who wad dead but not dead and who we really don't give a shit about.

The show has been so frickin good so far, I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt, but I am really really disappointed.

larrymcg421

11-21-2011, 01:43 PM

Wow! That's all I have to say.

BrianD

11-21-2011, 03:11 PM

Wow! That's all I have to say.

Agreed. I had a similar reaction to Toddzilla before this episode...now I'm not sure what to think.

DaddyTorgo

11-21-2011, 03:55 PM

Nicely twisted. Loving it.

Jas_lov

11-21-2011, 06:33 PM

I thought the same. I thought they had flushed the series down the toilet by making Brody less relevant. Should have known he was part of a larger plot including Walker. Now I can't wait to see what happens next. That's just great writing to get people to go from one extreme to the other. It seems to me that maybe Brody is the one that has been using Carrie for information and not the other way around.

B & B

12-05-2011, 10:57 AM

I thought that Sundays episode was the best of the series.

spleen1015

12-05-2011, 11:23 AM

I just started watching this on demand this week. I have watched the first 5 episodes and have loved every minute of it.

DaddyTorgo

12-05-2011, 01:16 PM

I thought that Sundays episode was the best of the series.

Indeed. Was fucking awesome.

spleen1015

12-06-2011, 10:22 PM

Watched 7 & 8 tonight.

Nice twist there with Tom Walker, but I wasn't surprised by the cliffhanger at the end of episode 8.

Toddzilla

12-07-2011, 01:35 PM

If Mandy Patinkin does not win an Emmy for this, it will be a travesty of unheard-of proportions. He has been nothing short of spectacular

"Eviscerate the motherfucker"

He is a GOD on this show.

larrymcg421

12-07-2011, 01:36 PM

Loved Saul's desperate reaction to the bomb going off, as he kept saying Carrie's name.

flounder

12-07-2011, 06:05 PM

I'm wondering who the mole is. Carrie's not the mole obviously. Saul went through a lot of effort to get info from that women they captured in Mexico, so I don't think it's him. Carrie's boss seems too ambitious to want to sell out. If it's a character we've already met the only one left in the CIA is Carrie's partner, but making the Muslim CIA agent the mole would be lame.

So I think it either has to be someone we haven't met yet (possibly someone in the State Department) or

the Vice President? He would have a lot to gain if the President was shot.

k0ruptr

12-07-2011, 08:05 PM

just finished catching up, and my first thought after the episode was the spoiler above.

k0ruptr

12-07-2011, 08:06 PM

dola, damn this show is awesome!

Jas_lov

12-07-2011, 08:32 PM

Or there isn't a mole and the diplomat put up a warning sign. The show has had me guessing before so there could be a mole or that comment from Saul could just be something to lead us in a different direction. Looks like Carrie comes unhinged the last couple episodes which should be interesting. Best new show on television by far.

larrymcg421

12-07-2011, 08:40 PM

The VP doesn't make sense because he's a target of the Walker plot. Why would they target someone who is a mole?

flounder

12-07-2011, 09:11 PM

k0ruptr

12-07-2011, 09:40 PM

Did they ever say he was a target? The Secret Service is assuming he is, but I thought the reason the terrorists picked the house is because it overlooked the landing pad for Marine One. That made me think the President was the initial target.

The fact that they haven't brought up the president much, or even at all leads me to think he is the real target. especially with the way this show can throw a curveball. I also don't remember them mentioning the VP as the target, just that the terrorists want Brody to get in tight with him.

spleen1015

12-07-2011, 10:22 PM

Some Mole thoughts

I think there is obviously a mole. Someone clued in the airport house couple when they were tailing the guy to the house. There has to be a mole, IMO.

DaddyTorgo

12-07-2011, 11:00 PM

Mole thoughts

I'm going to vote for Saul. The VP doesn't make sense - from what they've shown it's all a thing trying to get back at him for killing Abu Nassir's son. But Saul...it could be Saul in some desperate attempt to win back the love of his wife by getting out or something along those lines? I also think the VP doesn't make sense because it has to be someone at the CIA, on the operational-level.

k0ruptr

12-07-2011, 11:27 PM

There is definitely a mole. I'm thinking more government because how did the diplomat find out they were going to ask Brody to run for office? There was no outside indication, even Brody was shocked.

larrymcg421

12-07-2011, 11:45 PM

Why are we using spoiler tags for future speculation? Seems a little silly.

Toddzilla

12-08-2011, 10:16 AM

The mole is the VP, for sure - he just nominated his Al-quaeda buddy Brody to congress. It's perfect for setting up a coup:

Walker shoots the sitting prez
Brody wears the bomb-vest to congress and kills 90% of congress
The VP becomes pres and enacts martial law, takes over the military, etc.

k0ruptr

12-12-2011, 06:11 PM

This show is nuts.

Claire Danes is brilliant.

DaddyTorgo

12-12-2011, 06:40 PM

DaddyTorgo

12-12-2011, 06:40 PM

This show is nuts.

Claire Danes is brilliant.

This show is re-frigging-diculous. Absolutely mind-blowingly awesome. Danes played bipolar so well last episode...wow.

Bigsmooth

12-12-2011, 06:47 PM

This show is re-frigging-diculous. Absolutely mind-blowingly awesome. Danes played bipolar so well last episode...wow.

Absolutely great episode last night. No idea how this thing is gonna end next week and we get a 90-minute episode to boot! If they decide to roll it into next season with a cliffhanger I will be pissed.

k0ruptr

12-12-2011, 07:03 PM

I dont want it to ever end.

DaddyTorgo

12-18-2011, 11:59 PM

Damn. I was hoping terrorist-brody would blow himself up. That was a weak finale in that sense, although Damien Lewis has been so great I can sympathize with wanting to keep him around for next season.

And I guess that was a decent way for them to write themselves out of it and redirect it on an ongoing basis.

Interested to see WTF will go on with Carrie now that it seems like Brody has a new plotline.

That ECT shit was fuckin freaky barbaric shit.

Jas_lov

12-19-2011, 12:18 AM

Yeah, I was so hoping that bomb would go off but when the show got renewed they couldn't kill off one of their two main characters in the 1st season. I really liked the very end with Carrie figuring it out right before she went to sleep. Can't wait to see how they handle next season with Congressman Brody and how they get Carrie back into the CIA.

k0ruptr

12-19-2011, 12:35 AM

fuck. Intense, but a minor disappointment for a finale in some ways.

still. Loved this show.

k0ruptr

12-19-2011, 12:35 AM

dola you guys might wanna spoiler some of that above for people who havent seen it. Although it says spoilers in the thread title I know some of us have still been using the spoiler tag

tyketime

12-21-2011, 08:47 AM

Mrs Tyke & I watched the finale last night. Wow! That was intense.
We also wanted him to go ahead and blow himself up. I also thought his daughter might finally put all the pieces together before the end. I was envisioning the 2nd season being another terrorist threat somewhere - aka 24. But of course Carrie is now on the outs. Brody probably elected. Saul now armed with the insider knowledge. LOTS of tension!

Toddzilla

12-21-2011, 09:09 AM

So now going into season two, we got three different camps

1. Brody and the terrorists
2. Saul, hopefully with Carrie helping him the way her friend helped her, off-the-books
3. The VP and black guy (forget his name)

All working against each other. Sets up a whole new dynamic.

Also, notice that we NEVER found out who the mole was?

Logan

12-22-2011, 07:29 AM

DaddyTorgo

12-22-2011, 08:17 AM

Was watching this week to week through episode 4, and then I moved and didn't have Showtime in my new place. Caught up on episodes 5-12 in the last few days. Haven't read anything else online yet, and I'll probably do some reading today, but one thing I'm curious about: what happened with the house by the airport? Claire Danes told us that it wasn't "Marine 1" as in the plane they were watching out for, but actual Marines 1 and 2. But we know Tom Walker showed up at the house to stake out the roof. Is that a TBD plot?

Maybe it was misdirection? Or maybe that was the primary plan, but when it got discovered they moved to their backup plan of the bombing? We're not sure...good question though.

Logan

12-22-2011, 08:35 AM

Maybe it was misdirection? Or maybe that was the primary plan, but when it got discovered they moved to their backup plan of the bombing? We're not sure...good question though.

Yeah I doubt there's a clear answer but I don't care...this season was fantastic and I can't wait for the next one.

Jon

12-22-2011, 09:22 AM

Was watching this week to week through episode 4, and then I moved and didn't have Showtime in my new place. Caught up on episodes 5-12 in the last few days. Haven't read anything else online yet, and I'll probably do some reading today, but one thing I'm curious about: what happened with the house by the airport? Claire Danes told us that it wasn't "Marine 1" as in the plane they were watching out for, but actual Marines 1 and 2. But we know Tom Walker showed up at the house to stake out the roof. Is that a TBD plot?

I read an interview with the showrunners who said that the "house angle" hasn't run it's course yet.

They also said that they envision the show being like the Wire in that it can focus on something different but keeping the other subplots going.

Logan

12-22-2011, 09:43 AM

Works for me.

stevew

12-28-2011, 05:59 PM

Outstanding TV season.

flounder

12-28-2011, 06:33 PM

Any word on when the second season will start? I found an old article that said they wouldn't even begin production until Spring.

stevew

12-28-2011, 06:38 PM

It's possible they will air it along with Dexter in the fall, which would be a September start. If they decide to either not renew Californication or some of the other winter shoes fail(that Don Cheadle show looks horrible), it could be January.

Ramzavail

12-28-2011, 09:49 PM

My wife ordered Showtime on Thursday just for this show. We watched all 11 episodes in 4 days (not counting Christmas or Christmas Eve). We were totally addicted and now, totally disappointed as we have nothing else to watch :)

Great show. I would add more, but I have no idea how to do that whole spoiler thing.

DaddyTorgo

12-28-2011, 10:06 PM

stevew

12-28-2011, 10:24 PM

So...the vest was broken by the Secret Service agent tackling Brody, or it was a dud? I figure they couldn't kill off Brody this early. I wonder if the jihadi video will be the loose end keeping Brody under Nazir's thumb.

I don't buy that a high velocity sniper round wouldn't have blown thru that chick and killed the VP and the 3 people behind him. Maybe if it was an exploding round, I guess.

Will be interesting to see what angles develop next season. I suppose Saul could blackmail Estes and the VP enough to get Carrie back into the CIA. although that could be questionable.

I'm glad they didn't reveal a mole, that would be way too convenient.

flounder

12-29-2011, 08:39 AM

I think what happened with Brody's vest is that a wire got disconnected. When he's in the bathroom, you see him hook two wires together and then the green light comes on. I thought Damian Lewis did an incredible acting job during the bunker scenes, by the way.

I think the last scene with Saul and Estes showed that he's not really worried about Saul revealing what he knows.

After what happened to the professor and his girlfriend (and Tom Walker), I think what will keep Brody in line is that Nazir will kill him if he thinks he's a liability.

stevew

12-29-2011, 11:51 AM

The scene where Brody was talking about the vest blast knocking your head off was appropriately chilling.

Easy Mac

01-09-2012, 08:19 AM

I understand that she was crazy, but I never really understood why, once she outed her Brody relationship to Saul, she didn't go all in and tell him everything she found out. There were so many dots Saul could have connected in the end that would have made her call to him about Brody bombing the room seem much clearer to Saul.

Although, are we supposed to at least suspect that Saul is the mole? or are we supposed to be dead set on the Lebanese/Mexican operative?

jeff061

04-10-2012, 06:00 PM

I some how just found out about this show and watched it the entire season over the last week. Really great. Like everyone I thought Mandy Patinkin was amazing. And Claire Danes as a frantic genius constantly on the edge of insanity was fantastic and entertaining. I loved the final scene with her going into seizures.

More than a few times did I sympathize with Damian Lewis' character in a way that I seldom due. When he came back from the cabin after being with Danes, his life was turned upside down and hope crushed, sitting on the couch crying and trembling. That scene really stood out with me for some reason.

So anyway, bumped to recommend anyone reading this and that hasn't watched it yet, do yourself a favor and check it out.

stevew

04-10-2012, 06:36 PM

Found myself re-watching season one on my TiVo. This show is simply amazing. Season 1 belongs on the Pantheon of all time great TV.

stevew

04-10-2012, 06:39 PM

The show will be back along side Dexter this fall.

larrymcg421

07-08-2012, 11:23 PM

Rewatching the pilot reminds me of how good the acting is on this show. The scene where Brody arrives stateside and meets the VP is very chilling when you know what the plan is all along. Damian Lewis' body language and facial expressions are perfect because they don't give away too much, but they also fit perfectly with what we find out later on. Can't wait for season 2.

Scoobz0202

07-08-2012, 11:38 PM

Kind of fitting that this was bumped. A couple hours ago a buddy was mistaken and asked if the new season of Homeland started tonight. I got excited because I assumed I missed that it started in July. That feeling quickly turned to disappointment when I looked it up and realized there are still a few months to go.

Just a fantastic first season.

cschex

07-09-2012, 08:10 AM

Good timing on the bump as my wife and I just finished the first season last night (using our free Showtime w/ DirectTV). Nothing much to add except that I agree with everyone that the show is awesome. I really loved the tension with the daughter in the last couple of episodes. Brody is also an interesting twist on the sleeper agent by presenting him as a true believer vs just someone who is programmed. Can't wait for the fall.

flounder

09-26-2012, 12:03 PM

Season premiere this Sunday.

panerd

09-26-2012, 12:10 PM

Saw this won a bunch of Emmys the other night. I really enjoyed this show but not sure it was better than Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, or Boardwalk Empire. Can't wait for the season premiere.

On a side note: I noticed that four of the six nominations for bext drama are some of my favorite shows. I couldn't really get into Mad Men but it was entertaining. That leaves Downton Abbey. I have never tried to watch this but seeing as I enjoyed 4 of the other 5 I thought I might give it a shot on netflix. Anyone on here watch this?

Jas_lov

09-26-2012, 12:26 PM

It's the best show on tv. Well deserved emmys for Danes and Lewis and the show as a whole. Shotime has been replaying Season 1. I rewatched the finale last Sunday. So much intensity in that episode. I hope they can keep it up for season 2. Cant wait to see how they keep Carrie involved in the agency and what happens with Brody's run for office.

larrymcg421

09-26-2012, 01:28 PM

Yeah, really nice to see this show clean up at the Emmys. Danes was a lock, but Lewis and the show were surprises. Still can't believe Mandy Patinkin didn't even get nominated.

Can't wait to see where they proceed. The promos have all looked fascinating.

stevew

09-26-2012, 02:24 PM

Downton Abbey is pretty solid but not my cup of tea. I see how people like it, but I don't generally like period pieces. I don't think you will be mad if you check it out.

stevew

09-30-2012, 10:03 PM

The look in her eyes was amazing as she ducked that security guy In the market.

Scoobz0202

09-30-2012, 10:10 PM

The look in her eyes was amazing as she ducked that security guy In the market.

Loved the Quaker school scene and the family reaction scene right after. Then the final scene.

Homeland is back

Jas_lov

10-01-2012, 09:23 AM

And Carrie is back in the field. Wonder if Brody's wife will start to get suspicious now.

BrianD

10-01-2012, 12:17 PM

The look in her eyes was amazing as she ducked that security guy In the market.

The shift from absolute terror to giddy joy was quite something.

I really like that Brody isn't an evil character. The depth of all of the characters is what makes this show so good.

larrymcg421

10-01-2012, 01:25 PM

Loved the start. Can't wait to see where it goes. Agree that Brody doesn't come across as completely evil. That's why the scene with his daughter calling in the finale worked so well. Estes, the VP, and of course Abu Nazir come across as more loathsome individuals.

Was shocked that he told his wife about his conversion. Did not expect that to happen so soon.

Still fascinating that we have a hero who stopped a major terrorist attack, but might not ever know it.

mckerney

10-07-2012, 10:58 PM

She's getting $5 million and wants to move to Detroit?

larrymcg421

10-07-2012, 11:00 PM

Fantastic episode.

I cannot believe they went there at the end. I did not expect them to find that recording so soon. Can't wait to see what Saul does with it, but especially can't wait to see how Carrie reacts to finding out she was right all along.

Also, the scene with the secret operation to capture Nazir was Homeland at its best.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2012, 11:11 PM

mckerney

10-07-2012, 11:15 PM

Homeland is along with Breaking Bad in one of the few shows that is unpredictable and actually surprises me. I really thought that they were going to kill Nazir while Brody had to deal with it in a place where he was supposed to be happy about it with the next few episodes being him and the reporter coming up with a way to proceed with plans for revenge.

stevew

10-08-2012, 01:34 AM

That was fucking awesome. Can't believe they went to the tape so early

stevew

10-08-2012, 01:36 AM

She's getting $5 million and wants to move to Detroit?

Lol. I was thinking the same thing. At best a lateral move from Beirut.

panerd

10-08-2012, 06:26 AM

I enjoyed when Brody's daughter said she had a new friend. His reaction should have been "Oh yeah. Well don't get too close I plan on killing his father"

DaddyTorgo

10-08-2012, 07:52 AM

Lol. I was thinking the same thing. At best a lateral move from Beirut.

Doesn't Detroit have like the largest Muslim immigrant population in the US? Or one of the suburban areas does? It makes sense.

Jas_lov

10-08-2012, 08:05 AM

panerd

10-08-2012, 08:17 AM

That was a riveting episode. Now Saul knows. Does he go to Estes or do him and Carrie do their own thing? There was talk about a Nazir spy in the CIA. Galvez was part of the ops so I dont think it's him or Nazir wouldnt have shown.

Yeah it seems like next epiosode would be Brody's last if this were real life but since its a TV show my guess is Saul and Carrie go off the grid. The problem Homeland has is they have made their 3 main characters all too good to write out of the storyline.

larrymcg421

10-08-2012, 01:29 PM

My thinking is they might try to blackmail Brody into helping them capture Nazir. But the best thing about the show is I have no clue where they will go.

The question of the mole is interesting, because it's clearly not Saul or Galvez or anyone else involved in or watching the operation.

Also, is it wrong that I hate the Veep even more than Nazir?

stevew

10-08-2012, 01:31 PM

Doesn't Detroit have like the largest Muslim immigrant population in the US? Or one of the suburban areas does? It makes sense.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that.
Dearborn

stevew

10-08-2012, 04:40 PM

I think that Saul will get burnt by Estes and/or the VP. They can know that Brody is working with the other side, but they lose everything if he is exposed.

Jas_lov

10-08-2012, 05:24 PM

My thinking is they might try to blackmail Brody into helping them capture Nazir. But the best thing about the show is I have no clue where they will go.

Yeah, I think Brody referenced the drone attack that killed Nazir's son in the tape that Saul just watched. We know from last year that the VP and Estes covered this up so I think Saul will only tell Carrie about the tape. If he tells Estes, Estes tells the VP and like stevew said, they'll burn him like they did Carrie.

DanGarion

10-15-2012, 12:43 PM

digamma

10-15-2012, 12:49 PM

Have really enjoyed all three episodes this season, but am really starting to wonder how this show extends beyond this season.

DaddyTorgo

10-15-2012, 12:58 PM

What did everyone take the weekend off from watching Homeland?!?!?

Love the end with Saul coming to visit Carrie. Brody killing again is interesting, this is clearly a man that is starting to break. I don't see how this will end well for him.

Naw - just still in shock from it. Nice episode. Brody is definitely coming unhinged. Be interesting to see if it turns into "Saul & Carrie outside the agency trying to take out Brody" if as some were speculating, Saul gets burned by Estes & the VP.

larrymcg421

10-15-2012, 01:03 PM

Saul is such a great character. Loved seeing him outmaneuver Hezbollah. And his loyalty to Carrie is awesome. Her reaction in that last scene was great to watch. A mixture of happiness (I was right!), frustration (those bastards fucked me over and I was right!), and concern (oh shit, I was right, we have a terrorist congressman.)

As for next season, I thought they'd have trouble coming up with a 2nd season last year but they came up with a great idea so far. I'm confident they'll come up with something great for season 3, whether it involves Brody or not.

stevew

10-15-2012, 01:27 PM

I wonder if the intention was to kill the bombmaker anyways, or if Brody will possibly feel some ramifications because of what he did.

I have a feeling this season will end with a major successful terrorist attack, allowing the show to reset everything on season 3. I still don't know how the VP and Estes are going to let the info about Brody get out...they both get screwed on that type of news.

since Brody is already the mythological congressman of some district that probably doesn't exist, what's to say he doesn't ascend to VP and to the presidency. There seems to be no way that they can kill Brody off.

Logan

10-15-2012, 02:23 PM

since Brody is already the mythological congressman of some district that probably doesn't exist, what's to say he doesn't ascend to VP and to the presidency. There seems to be no way that they can kill Brody off.

Completely disagree. What you're saying will require either enough contrivances to kill the show, or would require blowing up aspects of the show that are the best aside from the acting performance of Damien Lewis (the Carrie/Saul characters and relationship). Knowing what both of them have seen, I don't see how else you would be able to proceed.

There's still a show without the Brody angle (as it was originally intended to be), but the opposite isn't true.

Bad-example

10-15-2012, 04:34 PM

I've been wondering if this season will be mostly about Carrie trying to turn Brody. Really, his character is most interesting when he displays moments of conscience. ("I will not help you kill innocent civilians!)

Carrie's a mess but she sure looked good in her fuck me dress.

Scoobz0202

10-15-2012, 05:05 PM

Claire Danes is incredible in this. From the no dialogue breakdown with the pills to the look when she saw the tape. Just great. Just give her another Emmy already.

Jas_lov

10-15-2012, 07:21 PM

stevew

10-15-2012, 07:46 PM

I wonder if something might happen to Dana? Reasonable foreshadowing of her and the VP's kid maybe eventually hooking up. VP's kid a logical target in revenge for Isa (Sp). The show can't live on without Brody IMO.

BrianD

10-16-2012, 12:24 PM

Carrie was finally vindicated. Would be awesome to see her get her job back. I agree with the above that they'll try to flip Brody to catch Nazir or get Jessica to flip Brody. She's getting more and more suspicious with each lie.

This is one of the reasons I love non-network TV. When you don't have to stretch to 22 episodes, you don't have to think of ways to not have Carrie see the tape for half a year. The plot can actually move along at a reasonable pace.

kingfc22

10-16-2012, 10:58 PM

Finally saw the episode and this season continues to be fantastic. Carrie has some serious stones to go back face to face with Brody and like stevew mentioned above, I think the bomb asker was going to end up dead even if he made the "safe" house.

Simbo Klice

10-17-2012, 12:15 AM

I thought this episode was subpar. Everything with Brody was something you'd see on the later seasons of 24, when it had truly taken a shit. They send him to pick the guy up on a stupidly thin pretext, then he gets a flat tire, then he decides to get gas 5 minutes from the safehouse, then he gets talked into going into the store, then he trips the guy into the jutting remains of a fencepost in the ass end of nowhere... Just a few too many plot crutches in there for my liking.

larrymcg421

10-22-2012, 12:05 AM

More awesomeness tonight. I continue to be amazed at how fast the show is willing to tell the story. It's a very daring structure. So far several things have happened that I didn't expect until much later in the season. They could've dragged this whole investigation of Brody out until the end of the season. Now he's arrested and I have no idea what's about to happen.

DaddyTorgo

10-22-2012, 12:16 AM

Jas_lov

10-22-2012, 12:56 AM

The show is as unpredictable as Carrie is. Once they set up that fancy surveillance I thought for sure they'd follow him for a couple episodes at least. And these two side plots with Dana/VP's son and the marines piecing things together probably come into play down the road. I still think they try to get Brody to help capture Nazir but who knows.

stevew

10-22-2012, 01:49 AM

holy shitballs.

larrymcg421

10-22-2012, 03:13 PM

Renewed for a 3rd season.

DaddyTorgo

10-22-2012, 03:24 PM

Renewed for a 3rd season.

Woo

Bad-example

10-22-2012, 03:29 PM

They will attempt to get Brody to work for them and I expect he will agree and be released. Brody as a double agent with his loyalties constantly in doubt should make for some great tv.

larrymcg421

10-22-2012, 03:33 PM

They will attempt to get Brody to work for them and I expect he will agree and be released. Brody as a double agent with his loyalties constantly in doubt should make for some great tv.

Agreed. The fact that they are continuing to develop stories for Brody's family makes it unlikely that he will be written out of the show anytime soon.

The scene at the end where Carrie unloaded on Brody was awesome. That must've felt so good to her.

Also, Virgil is back! Yay!

panerd

10-22-2012, 07:57 PM

Agreed. The fact that they are continuing to develop stories for Brody's family makes it unlikely that he will be written out of the show anytime soon.

The scene at the end where Carrie unloaded on Brody was awesome. That must've felt so good to her.

Also, Virgil is back! Yay!

Love Virgil. He was fantastic in the Shield as well.

Subby

10-22-2012, 09:56 PM

I am constantly blown away by how good Claire Danes is on this show. Her unloading on Brodie was viscerally awesome.

Scoobz0202

10-27-2012, 11:02 PM

Just watched the last episode. Holy fucking fuck.

Best show on television. No doubt a-fucking-bout it.

larrymcg421

10-28-2012, 11:00 PM

Another episode that's fucking amazing. Danes and Lewis probably clinched Emmy wins for the second year in a row. That interrogation scene was incredibly played by both of them.

Jas_lov

10-29-2012, 12:56 AM

This show is so intense. Interrogation scenes was one of the best ever. And now Brody is the double agent. Show was picked up for a 3rd season and I don't see how he's involved now. Saul and Carrie will either continue to pursue Nazir or there will be a new threat.

DanGarion

10-29-2012, 01:17 AM

stevew

10-29-2012, 07:40 AM

Brody is the whole f'n show and everyone else in the acting biz is playing for 2nd place in the Emmy's.

panerd

10-29-2012, 08:39 AM

Brody is the whole f'n show and everyone else in the acting biz is playing for 2nd place in the Emmy's.

Loved him in Band of Brothers and he hits it out of the park on this show. My only worry is the vice president's kid side story has the potential to become comical/out of place to compare with the intensity of the main sotryline. I don't doubt this show will do it right but hope if it gets cheezy they stay away from it and end it quickly. I knew the minute he started driving crazy there was going to be an accident of some sort.

(Also does it annoy anyone else that the wife refers to him as Brody? It would be like my wife calling me Schneider all the time. I could see my army buddies and even other men but my wife? A little odd)

DanGarion

10-29-2012, 10:34 AM

My only worry is the vice president's kid side story has the potential to become comical/out of place to compare with the intensity of the main sotryline. I don't doubt this show will do it right but hope if it gets cheezy they stay away from it and end it quickly. I knew the minute he started driving crazy there was going to be an accident of some sort.
)

Ala Kim and and Cougar in 24.

jeff061

10-29-2012, 09:07 PM

That's a series peaking episode, even if they keep up for another 5 quality seasons.

jeff061

10-29-2012, 09:09 PM

Ala Kim and and Cougar in 24.

That's funny, I was thinking exactly that as I was watching this episode.

Scoobz0202

10-29-2012, 09:11 PM

Yep. The interrogation scene was peak Homeland, but the Dana/VP Son side story was a real low point. Take the good with the bad, but we will just have to see where they take it.

stevew

11-05-2012, 12:18 AM

Fuck----

Galvez. :(

DaddyTorgo

11-05-2012, 07:35 AM

Just when I was thinking "this is a pretty calm episode" - BAM.

Whoa.

Scoobz0202

11-05-2012, 10:09 AM

This was actually the first episode i can recall that really didn't do a whole lot for me. I don't really like the Dana storyline (although the hospital scene was really well done) , what's his name approaching Brodys wife I found awkward.

DaddyTorgo

11-05-2012, 10:20 AM

Here's one take on last night's episode

Homeland Season 2, Episode 6: 'A Gettysburg Address' - Hollywood Prospectus Blog - Grantland (http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/61225/homeland-season-2-episode-6-gettysburg-address)

Scoobz0202

11-05-2012, 10:23 AM

Also, the woah moment makes me cautious. It seems like they've avoided something like that, on American soil, so I'm cautious which direction they go. Hopefully it doesn't get to 24y.

stevew

11-05-2012, 11:48 AM

Just when I was thinking "this is a pretty calm episode" - BAM.

Whoa.

I anticipated that they were going to blow up instead of what actually happened.

Jas_lov

11-05-2012, 01:51 PM

I love Claire Danes's face when she cries. Nothing happened till the end but still a good episode. Im guessing the VP might find out about his son and try to cover it up. Mike is getting too suspicious and I think he'll be disposed of with the CIA covering it up.

BrianD

11-05-2012, 02:05 PM

They have done a good job of setting up plenty of interesting story lines. Brody working for the CIA (and being a double agent?) has lots of potential. Mike figuring out Brody had been turned gives us the potential for Mike to get in the way of a CIA op. Mike can blow Brody's new cover. Things can get very messy going forward.

Toddzilla

11-12-2012, 12:33 PM

Finally an episode that wasn't frenetic, in-your-face. Yet it was still as riveting and compelling as the first 6 episodes. THIS is why it's the best show on television, the acting is just so far off-the-charts fantastic.

stevew

11-12-2012, 12:40 PM

I'll be honest, I wasn't a big fan of that episode at all. I feel like I could have missed it and I wouldn't have missed anything basically. This hit and run story is really bad, it needs to go away ASAP.

larrymcg421

11-12-2012, 12:47 PM

Last week's episode was a bit of a misstep for me. The ninja raid was a little too much like 24. Nothing wrong with 24, but this show was always a more cerebral version of it.

This week's episode was much, much better. The scene between Carrie and Brody were brilliant as always and it was a terrific showcase for Saul. Even the Dana-Finn storyline was nicely woven into the main plot.

And Galvez is still alive! For now.

Toddzilla

11-12-2012, 12:50 PM

The hit-and-run sideshow seems out of place, but it frames such an important part of the main storyline, that of being "above the rules" and how the powerful have carte blanche to do as they will. I think it's neatly tied into the VP's past actions as the head of the CIA - killing innocent kids with a drone strike - and now that his son has killed someone innocent - trying to stay ahead of the rules, again.

larrymcg421

11-12-2012, 12:58 PM

I also like how it's added moral complexities for Brody. He wanted to do the right thing and be completely different from the scumbag VP, who he now has even more reason to hate. He has to stand by him now and not report the incident, causing more trouble for his family.

panerd

11-13-2012, 08:16 AM

Yeah I trouble feeling sorry for Brody. He was prepared to kill a room full of people (including some innocent people) but now is self-rightous about the VP planning on covering up his sons hit and run. It's an interesting moral dillemma though. Great show never a bad epiosode.

stevew

11-18-2012, 11:05 PM

Ok...that whole part where Carrie was getting the business end of Brody while they were talking about her methods and such.

Toddzilla

11-19-2012, 12:50 PM

Nee-co-lass

Jas_lov

11-19-2012, 07:28 PM

Ok...that whole part where Carrie was getting the business end of Brody while they were talking about her methods and such.

That was hilarious. Saul gives a face palm and then tells Quinn, "She's turning it around." LOL. This back and forth loyalty by Brody should be interesting. They've cut off his lifeline to the CIA so I wonder if they'll make him commit an immediate attack to test him.

stevew

11-25-2012, 11:08 PM

I'm not sure about this show anymore. Glad Mrs. Brody is back now(hello). Spec Ops guy is fairly intriguing I guess. It would be great if all the Nazir stuff ends this year, I'm kind of over him by now.

Jas_lov

11-25-2012, 11:41 PM

I like the new Quinn development. Adds something interesting like who is he working for and what reason does he have to kill Brody. Quinn stabbing Brody in the hand makes more sense now since we know he's not CIA.

stevew

11-26-2012, 04:11 PM

I was thinking and I wonder if Brody is actually on the up and up about the plan. Like maybe this was just a diversion attack conceived by Nazir and now that Brody is in the good graces, a real attack will proceed.

larrymcg421

11-26-2012, 04:16 PM

DaddyTorgo

11-26-2012, 04:24 PM

DanGarion

11-26-2012, 04:44 PM

stevew

12-02-2012, 10:47 PM

Poor Walden.

RainMaker

12-02-2012, 11:51 PM

Watched last weeks (welcome back Mrs. Brody's breasts) and this weeks epsiode. Like the Quinn twist as well. I'm so hooked on this show it's not even funny. I just have no idea how they can possibly keep this pace going for more seasons.

stevew

12-02-2012, 11:51 PM

Ok...not really poor Walden

The Carrie/Nazir thing was a bit too cliched. His lines were garbage and it was written in the voice of how some right wing wingnut thinks the Muslims think.

Brody vs Walden was fuckin excellent.

I'm guessing they are swerving Saul as the mole and also Galvez as the Mole.

Jas_lov

12-03-2012, 12:05 AM

Another intense episode. Still not sure how they keep Brody in the mix after this. Carrie knows he helped to kill Walden unless she doesn't tell anyone for some reason. I don't know why Saul and Estes even bother to give Carrie orders anymore, she defies every single one.

Simbo Klice

12-03-2012, 01:06 PM

"You still don't get it, do you?...... I'm killing you." The guy playing Brody is god-damn amazing.

larrymcg421

12-03-2012, 01:44 PM

If Saul is the mole, I stop watching the show immediately. It doesn't make any sense and destroys one of the most interesting characters on the show for nothing more than cheap shock value.

Logan

12-03-2012, 01:52 PM

Saul's not the mole.

stevew

12-03-2012, 08:05 PM

What were those codes that Brody stole in the earlier part of the season.

stevew

12-04-2012, 01:06 AM

Ok-

Are we sure Brody is even 35? Seems like he's barely that old. Anyways, just wondering about if he can even be VP.

And fuck it, if we're going for it, I wanna see President Brody. Why not. :)

Logan

12-04-2012, 07:37 AM

Surprisingly, I thought plot-wise this episode really struggled. From everything with the VP to Abu Nazir kidnapping Carrie, it was painful to watch which was a first for me with this show.

panerd

12-04-2012, 08:59 AM

Surprisingly, I thought plot-wise this episode really struggled. From everything with the VP to Abu Nazir kidnapping Carrie, it was painful to watch which was a first for me with this show.

Yeah the VP pacemaker thing seemed like something out of '24'. I enjoyed '24' also but this show seemed to be a different type of show. The Nazir stuff was ok and next week they may end up with a pretty good explanation but I seriously doubt he would have just let Carrie go without some plan set in place.

DanGarion

12-04-2012, 10:00 AM

Toddzilla

12-04-2012, 10:31 AM

She was likely unconscious for a bit after the crash and during transport to the abandoned warehouse, so who know what he slipped in/on her

DanGarion

12-04-2012, 10:35 AM

She was likely unconscious for a bit after the crash and during transport to the abandoned warehouse, so who know what he slipped in/on her

"We've traced the call Carrie, it's coming from inside you!"

Logan

12-04-2012, 11:42 AM

I completely agree I did much eye rolling this episode.

I have confidence that the writers will end up making it okay and not going down a road where everything strains credibility only to advance the plot, as they have done a good job with that recently when it gets a little shaky (having the hit and run storyline turn into Brody going through another of his internal struggles instead of something even crazier).

mckerney

12-04-2012, 12:00 PM

Nazir had something like 3 different cell phones while in the warehouse, maybe that's now he's not getting traced.

stevew

12-04-2012, 12:54 PM

I thought it was funny that Nazir was using an iPhone 5 but Brody was on a shitty 4 year old blackberry. It's possible that is congressionally issued I guess.

Logan

12-04-2012, 12:56 PM

I thought it was funny that Nazir was using an iPhone 5 but Brody was on a shitty 4 year old blackberry. It's possible that is congressionally issued I guess.

CIA issued, Carrie gave it to him a couple episodes ago once they were tapping his phone (which they apparently weren't in this last episode). "New phone, same number" is what she told him.

mckerney

12-04-2012, 12:57 PM

I thought it was funny that Nazir was using an iPhone 5 but Brody was on a shitty 4 year old blackberry. It's possible that is congressionally issued I guess.

He also had a couple android phones.
(http://i.imgur.com/1bKSZ.jpg)

DanGarion

12-04-2012, 01:02 PM

I loved that Nazir doesn't know how to use his phone, he manually typed back in the serial number, doesn't he know you can just forward text messages?!?!?!

flounder

12-04-2012, 01:22 PM

Doesn't he know Apple can track your location with an iPhone?

stevew

12-10-2012, 02:22 AM

Interesting conclusion. I wonder where they go from here.

stevew

12-10-2012, 07:57 AM

That whole bit "do your colleagues call you the bear" "they better fuckin not" was 100% pure gold.

Jas_lov

12-10-2012, 08:26 AM

I would kill Brody off and reset. Nazir is dead so what else is there to do with his character, unless he becomes the new Nazir. As lon as they dont get rid of Saul.

DaddyTorgo

12-10-2012, 08:50 AM

Silly me - didn't watch last night because it was getting late, and forgot the Pats were on tonight. Hopefully I'll be able to sneak it in before kickoff!

Logan

12-10-2012, 09:11 AM

I was of the opinion that they did the right thing in keeping Brody alive last season, and felt vindicated as the first half of this season took place. The last few episodes though really have made me reconsider. The love story angle between Brody and Carrie worked during S1 because you still didn't know what Brody's intentions were, or who was playing who. That's gone now and it just feels like any other show that forces the guy and girl into a relationship, albeit here with two characters we love.

It's not to say I think a Brody-less S2 would be any better than what we got now, but I think unless something really crazy happens next week (which I don't see happening) I'll be left wishing S1 ended with damn near perfection.

Jas_lov

12-10-2012, 11:07 PM

They've made Carrie and Brody the most unlikeable characters on the show so that's why one of them needs to be killed off. I'm more interested in Saul and Quinn than the Carrie/Brody love story that already took place in Season 1. The marriage with Jessica is over, Nazir is dead, there is no use for Brody anymore. Next season can be about Carrie getting over Brody's death, Saul/Estes power struggle and a new terror threat.

stevew

12-10-2012, 11:13 PM

I like the theory that Brody is still playing Carrie. It will possibly be revealed that Nazir had a terminal condition anyways and now Brody got to kill the VP without punishment.

stevew

12-10-2012, 11:46 PM

I also wonder if Estes going out on a date with Roya will play at all.

mckerney

12-11-2012, 02:50 AM

RainMaker

12-11-2012, 04:19 AM

I think the one mistake the show made was keeping Brody around so long. It feels forced when the shows focus should be the CIA/terrorism and the players around it are all disposable. Bring in good actors for 1-2 season arcs, but it's gotten a bit unrealistic.

digamma

12-11-2012, 11:24 AM

I almost lost it when Brody went all Karate Kid/Glory of Love at the end of the episode. The only saving grace would be if he is turning on her.

At least there is Saul.

And yes, the suspension of disbelief over the last two episodes has been a huge ask.

panerd

12-11-2012, 11:42 AM

That whole bit "do your colleagues call you the bear" "they better fuckin not" was 100% pure gold.

Yes that was classic.

BigPapi

12-11-2012, 07:42 PM

I don't really see how this ends any other way except Carrie or Quinn killing Brodie when it's revealed he's a triple agent still operating for Nazir. This would explain some of the odd plot twists lately- like why Nazir let Brodie live- and then Carrie- when he had her in his crosshairs.... twice.

The last episode ended with Quinn outside the house- I'm betting Brodie turns on Carrie and before he can finish the job Quinn ices him leaving Carrie in hysterics and the show in limbo just like last year....They can reboot almost anywhere from there.

Not sure how the Saul thing will play out- guess we'll see next week.

stevew

12-11-2012, 08:04 PM

Every line Chris Brody gets is money.

chinaski

12-16-2012, 07:36 PM

Finally finished season 1. Really like the series, much more than I thought I would.

stevew

12-16-2012, 11:07 PM

Brody was obviously playing her...right? Estes got what was coming to him.

mckerney

12-17-2012, 12:45 AM

Starlee Kine ‏@StarleeKine
Can someone PLEASE explain to me why on Homeland the President is treated like Vera on Cheers?

Jas_lov

12-17-2012, 01:16 AM

It's possible Brody was set up. If he was behind it then who leaked his confession tape and why? Carrie had to convince everyone that Brody was guilty and now she has to convince everyone that he is innocent. Considering I didn't think they'd be able to keep Brody alive and continue the quality of the show it was a pretty good finale the way they handled it.

Noop

12-17-2012, 06:10 PM

I think Saul is the mole. He fought to get Brody saved. He was not at the memorial. He is jewish (which would make him working with muslim extremism all the more interest). It is Saul.

If it is not Saul then it has to be Brody because it would show just how good he is at lying.

stevew

12-17-2012, 06:15 PM

My guess is that it is a previously unseen person. While there was certainly enough editing to suggest Saul was the mole last night (Keyser Soze-esque IMO), I think this will be a focus of season 3.

Logan

12-17-2012, 06:20 PM

Saul's not the mole.

.

Jas_lov

12-17-2012, 06:27 PM

Saul would have to be some kind of Super mole. I guess he did gain the most from the blast as he now has Estes job and his wife is even returning to him. It would be a big twist and it would of course be Carrie that would sniff it out, but it's just too big of a stretch. They did plant that seed though with him talking Hebrew at the end, conveniently missing the bombing and the leaking of the Brody confessional which he had access to.

jeff061

12-17-2012, 07:29 PM

It's Quinn, why and on behalf of who, not sure. But I'd just about bet money he planted the explosives and parked the car. Then he or the group he's working for circulated the video.

Noop

12-17-2012, 08:09 PM

I also want to point out that someone got Nazir in America. So... who was it?

chinaski

12-17-2012, 10:40 PM

Just finished season 2, woah. Inception of terrorist plots. The guy in the terrorist response video at the end, wasn't that the same guy from the chicken diner and the bus talking to Quinn?

stevew

12-17-2012, 10:45 PM

No. He was F Murray Abraham. The terrorist leader was some other guy.

Toddzilla

12-18-2012, 01:01 AM

Anderson Cooper knows who the mole is

Toddzilla

12-18-2012, 01:02 AM

http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/531/629/06/o_Hrly7dZxlSM4Q6P.jpg

Toddzilla

12-19-2012, 09:41 PM

According to Alex Gansa - co-creator - it was absolutely Abu Nazir who orchestrated the attack, using his death as the ultimate "confidence game" so the CIA would let down their guard. He pointed out that had Quinn killed Brody while at the lake house, it would have ruined Nazir's plan (using Brody's car to carry the explosives to the service).

stevew

12-20-2012, 02:17 AM

If it's the Grantland podcast interview, I'm also pretty interested in the fact that he mentioned that they backed off a bunch of Galvez story. Galvez as the mole would have been horrible.

kingfc22

12-21-2012, 08:42 PM

Bravo to that finale.

I thought Saul was more likely to be a mole after season 1 but not after this season.

The Quinn as the mole angle is interesting however.

stevew

12-21-2012, 09:04 PM

There's a new "Showtime Anytime" service out. I'm gonna check out season 1 again (I missed an episode)

GrantDawg

12-22-2012, 08:17 PM

There's a new "Showtime Anytime" service out. I'm gonna check out season 1 again (I missed an episode)

How sucktastic is this app. Only two providers get it, and it doesn't work with Nexxus 7, google TV, or Xbox 360. HBOGO kills this.

Bad-example

12-22-2012, 09:33 PM

They cast F. Murray Abraham in a role with what...10 minutes of screen time for the whole season. My money is on him being the mole.

stevew

12-22-2012, 09:51 PM

How sucktastic is this app. Only two providers get it, and it doesn't work with Nexxus 7, google TV, or Xbox 360. HBOGO kills this.

It works with DirecTV...good enough for me.

:)

HBOGO was a pipe dream for TWC for like 2 years.

DanGarion

02-06-2013, 02:41 PM

Hehe...

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mckerney

09-02-2013, 09:27 AM

No real spoilers, but thoughts from watching next unaired episode

Good episode to start the season. A bit Dana heavy, would say I disliked those parts, though it's not nearly as interesting as everything else that's going on. Would prefer more Saul, really looking forward to seeing what path he's headed on now.

Johnny93g

09-02-2013, 10:34 AM

Good episode to start the season. A bit Dana heavy, would say I disliked those parts, though it's not nearly as interesting as everything else that's going on. Would prefer more Saul, really looking forward to seeing what path he's headed on now.

Wait, what!?

What am I missing, Season 3 starts the 29th, correct???

mckerney

09-02-2013, 10:41 AM

Wait, what!?

What am I missing, Season 3 starts the 29th, correct???

It does? I watched what seemed to be first episode of the season last night.

mckerney

09-02-2013, 10:50 AM

Oh, the episode was leaked early. Saw it up last night and just assumed the season had started.

It apparently is missing visual effects which I didn't notice since I watched it while going to need without my glasses on. Did notice some weird audio parts but thought it was just me being half asleep.

Well damn, guess that means its a month till there's a new episode.

kingfc22

10-06-2013, 11:07 PM

Can the writers please stop with the Dana storyline. Nobody cares about that character.

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2013, 11:17 PM

Can the writers please stop with the Dana storyline. Nobody cares about that character.

This.

Major yawn. In fact, Brody's whole family is pretty major-yawn at this point since he's nowhere around them.

I found most of this episode to be a yawner. And a good portion of last week too for that matter.

kingfc22

10-06-2013, 11:22 PM

I found most of this episode to be a yawner. And a good portion of last week too for that matter.

Totally agree. Disappointing after the first two seasons to start this one so mediocre at best. Hoping the storyline gets going soon.

Logan

10-07-2013, 07:20 AM

The sole highlight of this episode for me was my agency getting a shout out from Saul for placing that bank under a cease-and-desist for the Iranian wire transfers.

digamma

10-07-2013, 11:13 AM

Can the writers please stop with the Dana storyline. Nobody cares about that character.

A thousand times this.

I'm also a little disappointed they've gone back to the "let's institutionalize Carrie" crutch.

I'm obviously willing to give this show the benefit of the doubt as they pulled last season together, but they haven't really hit the ground running so far.

RainMaker

10-14-2013, 06:20 PM

I am sorry to say but this show is bad now.

DaddyTorgo

10-14-2013, 07:35 PM

I didn't watch yesterday's episode yet...

Jas_lov

10-14-2013, 09:41 PM

I didn't think the 3rd episode was that bad. Better than the first two but that's not saying much. Masters of Sex is the better show right now.

RainMaker

10-14-2013, 10:30 PM

I guess I shouldn't say bad now. It had an amazing 1st season and slowly went to crap last season. And now it's sitting in some weird purgatory where it has good moments and terrible moments.

I'm not sure why Brody's family is given such a big roll this season. I still don't know what this season is even about yet. The show should be a smart CIA themed show with great characters. I don't give a shit about high school teen drama, I don't give a shit about Saul becoming a "suit", and I really don't give a shit about Carrie's mental issues. It's not even a CIA/terrorism show anymore, I don't even know what it is.

Logan

10-15-2013, 07:41 AM

I fully supported the idea of keeping Brody alive at the end of season 1, and felt it was very justified during the beginning of season 2. But basically ever since "Q&A" it has been a disaster.

I agree with RM. Literally have no clue where they go from here with each character in such a horrible place. I'd even be fine if they gave us some kind of enormous plot hole/Macguffin that snapped everything back to where it veered off if it meant getting back to delivering the tension like it used to.

Subby

10-15-2013, 10:25 AM

This show has completely gone off the rails.

Jas_lov

10-21-2013, 09:09 AM

Logan

10-23-2013, 01:34 PM

Well at least they've got it somewhat back on track with the twist. Was the entire thing pre-planned or once Carrie was in the asylum did Saul come up with it? I am now interested again in the season to see where this goes. They still need to kill off Dana, Jessica and Mike. Chris can live.

As I was watching it, I though I saw a little smirk on Carrie's face when the "partner" mentioned her meeting the Big Bad Terrorist in person, and figured she was going to use this to get back in the CIAs good graces. I was cool with that approach being the way to get the season back on track (as written above, it seemed like they had no other way to keep it moving up until this point). She obviously can never work there again given her past, so this was a way around that, going rogue.

When the "twist" was that this was a plan all along with Saul, I lost my shit. It wasn't a twist, they just fucked with the audience. There were way too many instances where Carrie was completely alone and had no need to keep up with the charade, and yet there she is looking into her empty wallet, she goes looking for her car and can't figure out what happened (this was even before that neighbor showed up), or is crying hysterically watching Saul throw her under the bus in that hearing. It was just a massive cop out.

And the showrunner said in an interview with Entertainment Weekly that this plan was set up immediately after the Pentagon bombing. If Saul came up with it somewhere along the way, it would be slightly more believable.

Ronnie Dobbs3

10-23-2013, 02:53 PM

Not terribly surprising when you step back and realize the two showrunners brought us Season 7 of 24. Should have seen this coming, but they managed to fool us for a little over a season.

Solecismic

10-23-2013, 06:41 PM

The first 3 9/10 episodes of this season were simply the grape-nehi-fueled dreams of a bipolar adolescent.

I've been struggling with this almost since the beginning, but it seems more apparent than ever. I have a hard time believing any of these people could have any responsibility at the CIA. Sometimes I wonder if Charlie Sheen and Janeane Garafalo are on the writing team.

Jas_lov

12-09-2013, 10:44 PM

It's still a decent show but they keep going back to the same things over and over - Whose side is Brody really on, Carrie always looks to be wrong but at the last second she's proven right again yet nobody ever believes her. Brody should not escape in the finale and they should end that plot, hit the rest button.

I still contend Masters of Sex is the better show. Not sure how many seasons they can keep it going but I look forward to watching it a lot more than Homeland right now.

Logan

12-10-2013, 07:09 AM

It's just not anywhere near the show it was for the first season and a half, which is unfortunate. It's basically 24 with less action and better acting. The contrivances and level of implausibility are just way too much.

panerd

12-16-2013, 02:59 PM

Hmmm....

Well this season seems to have been split into three parts. The first was the tower nonsense and Carrie in the nuthouse. Rating: F. Then came the Iran mission plot. I love '24'-like storylines like this show and Sons of Anarchy. Rating: B+/A-. Then last night's pile of dogshit. Rating: F.

Not sure how they continue next season. This show's first two seasons bought a lot of leeway from me but I wonder if they even have a 4th season in mind. More Carrie doesn't seem to be the answer to anyone I know who watches the show. (especially with her wanting or not wanting the baby)

DaddyTorgo

12-16-2013, 03:26 PM

I haven't really watched much at all this season. All the episodes are stacked up on my DVR, but I just don't have the desire to plow through them yet. I want to, but then I remember the issues I was starting to have with implausibility and all (and also the fact that Brodie is still alive - knowing Showtime now I'm sure we're giving him the "Dexter" treatment so he's untouchable, which is ridiculous), and I'm just turned off.

Logan

12-19-2013, 07:57 AM

Alex Gansa might be the luckiest man alive, having either stumbled upon or having been selected to adapt the original miniseries that Homeland was based on. He clearly stepped in shit there, and once he and the rest of the writers were left on there own, they had no clue what to do. But he has surely made a ton of money doing it, and will likely make a ton more considering the ratings of this finale and the likelihood for many more seasons.

Toddzilla

12-19-2013, 10:45 AM

No way - Homeland is done and done

Subby

12-19-2013, 10:48 AM

As usual, Alan Sepinwall breaks down what a mess the show is better than anyone:

Season finale review: Homeland - The Star: Dont leave me hanging (http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/season-finale-review-homeland-the-star-dont-leave-me-hanging)

Logan

12-19-2013, 12:02 PM

No way - Homeland is done and done

Do you mean creatively, or as in actually getting more seasons? Season 4 is already a go and this show will still put up ratings even if it just sticks to the 24 model. Showtime sticks with shows forever...do you know that Californication is still running? This will get to 7 seasons, guaranteed.

Johnny93g

12-19-2013, 12:15 PM

panerd

12-19-2013, 01:47 PM

Boggles my mind homeland gets hate for this season, while the Walking dead, GENERALLY, is regarded as great TV.

Yes, this season was not as strong as the previous two, but I still enjoyed it, and it kept me guessing. Season 3 of Homeland > any season of walking dead.

The show has fundamentally changed now, and the original concept is gone. What they do next probably won't please many, but I'm still looking forward to seeing what they come up with. I love the pace and how quickly they move. It keeps me guessing.

See I love all types of shows and rank Sons of Anarachy, Homeland, Game of Thrones, and Walking Dead as among my favorites. I see no reason to try and compare any of them and realize that all four of them take some serious liberties with what is realistic. How fun would watching a bunch of people at the CIA/NSA analyze computer data and phone records be for an hour each week? Rubicon (which I also enjoyed) was probably more realistic and moved much too slow at points. That said I do worry that there will be a lot of Carrie/baby which I don't look forward to. Hopefully there is enough side Quinn/Saul/Senator guy sidelines to keep me interested.

Solecismic

12-19-2013, 02:07 PM

I think it's all about Carrie being believable. And she isn't. She's just always right, like her magic 8-ball works better than everyone else's.

Problem is: no one would continue to give her responsibility without sharing her world of magic.

I still like the show, but I want more intrigue and out-witting and layers of mystery. Less babies and magic 8-balls. The show is probably headed Turkey-bound and Saul will be some sort of consultant. I'd imagine we're in for some Iran/Syria/Israel conflict. I think they shot part of season 3 in Israel, I may be wrong.

I am glad we seem to be done with the entire Brody family. The writers dug that hole when they had Brody wear the suicide vest. There's no redemption from that.

Logan

12-19-2013, 02:17 PM

I believe they shot in Morocco.

chinaski

06-25-2014, 11:17 AM

Logan

06-25-2014, 11:30 AM

Anyone catch the premier of Tyrant last night? New FX show from the creators of Homeland. I really liked it, cant wait for the next one.

Tyrant | Tuesdays 10pm | FX Networks (http://www.fxnetworks.com/tyrant)

I DVRed it but wasn't too optimistic after seeing a bunch of negative reviews. But there's not much on these days so I'll give it a shot at some point.

edit: And it's funny you wrote about this show just a couple posts after Jim saying how thankful he was about finally being done with the Brody family. Read in a few places that they went back to the well with the annoying teenage kid of the main character on Tyrant.