NFL Week 17

[miami_fan]

Dolphins vs. Jets at Joe Robbie (It will always be Joe Robbie Stadium to me)

Not only would it be nice to knock the Jets out of the playoffs but it will probably be the last game for one of my favorite Dolphin players, Jason Taylor.

Fuck You Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland!

[Grover]

Dolphins vs. Jets at Joe Robbie (It will always be Joe Robbie Stadium to me)

Not only would it be nice to knock the Jets out of the playoffs but it will probably be the last game for one of my favorite Dolphin players, Jason Taylor.

Fuck You Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland!

I am pulling hard for Miami to win this one.

[Butter]

I am pulling even harder for them to win this one.

[Matthean]

Rex Ryan in his post game trash talking with a Giants player still mentioned how the Jets were going to win the Super Bowl. Go Dolphins. :lol:

[MikeVic]

I'm rooting for the Bengals this week!

[Ksyrup]

Bengals fans should be rooting for the Raiders.

[cougarfreak]

I hope the Bengals kick the shit out of the murderer and the Rat Birds.

[mckerney]

Vikings clearly looking to throw the game this week with the announcement that they're starting Christian Ponder.

[Suburban Rhythm]

New Orleans Saints' Pierre Thomas fined $12,500 for Christmas-themed touchdown celebration - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7401414/new-orleans-saints-pierre-thomas-fined-12500-christmas-themed-touchdown-celebration)

Dumb

[BillJasper]

New Orleans Saints' Pierre Thomas fined $12,500 for Christmas-themed touchdown celebration - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7401414/new-orleans-saints-pierre-thomas-fined-12500-christmas-themed-touchdown-celebration)

Dumb

I really am finding myself falling out of love with the NFL and stuff like this doesn't help.

[MikeVic]

Anquan Boldin of Baltimore Ravens cleared for practice; game, too? - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7404444/anquan-boldin-baltimore-ravens-cleared-practice-game-too)

This is one of the toughest SOBs in any sport, IMO. I remember that injury where he lost his face or something, and came back super fast. When he was deciding where to go, I was hoping the Steelers would get him and he could take over Hines Ward's role. Needless to say, I was crushed when the Ravens got him instead. It's turned out well (Ward still played and the young receiver corp we have now), but I am still a fan of Boldin (even though he's on the Ravens).

[RendeR]

BEngals over Ravens, seals the deal.


But its never a bad idea to have a backup plan:

GO Miami, Go KC! Go Chargers!!

A Denver OR Raider loss coupled with the Jets loss puts us in as well.


LETS GO BENGALS!!!!!! Seal the Deal in the Jungle baby!

[PilotMan]

Hines Ward will, without a doubt, have at least 5 receptions today.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Hines Ward will, without a doubt, have at least 5 receptions today.

The most likely scenario is the Steelers start Ben, and only dress 2 QBs.
After tweaking his ankle, Ben gives way to Charlie Batch, who is injured on the next play.

Ward, a part time QB at UGa, is put in at QB...and proceeds to throw 5 consecutive passes to himself. After the game, he says nobody ever gave him a chance to play QB in the league.

[cougarfreak]

BEngals over Ravens, seals the deal.


But its never a bad idea to have a backup plan:

GO Miami, Go KC! Go Chargers!!

A Denver OR Raider loss coupled with the Jets loss puts us in as well.


LETS GO BENGALS!!!!!! Seal the Deal in the Jungle baby!

I had a buddy call last night who has season tickets with his dad. His dad can't go today, so I'll be in attendance!

:banana:

[spleen1015]

I'm sad that the regular season is coming to an end.

[gkb]

I'm sad that the regular season is coming to an end.

:+1:

[spleen1015]

I am rooting for the Jaguars today because I want to see what happens if the Colts end up with the #1 pick.

I don't think the Colts will lose though.

[fpres]

Arian Foster, Johnathan Joseph, Owen Daniels, Mike Brisiel, Troy Nolan, Jeff Garcia, and Sherrick McManis are apparently sitting out for the Texans today. I also doubt Andre Johnson will see much time on the field even though he's supposed to make his return today. Titans should win this one.

[hoopsguy]

Also saw that Rodgers is sitting out for the Packers.

[larrymcg421]

Also saw that Rodgers is sitting out for the Packers.

And that clinches the NFL record for single season QB rating.

[Fonzie]

Pat Lee just had the most hysterical start for a kickoff returner ever for the Packers.

[SirFozzie]

Bogus pi call gives the bills a 7-0 lead

[mckerney]

Everson Griffin has managed to get flagged for tackling a returner after a fair catch and being offsides on a kickoff. Impressive.

[RendeR]

Bogus pi call gives the bills a 7-0 lead




Eh, it wasn't the best call ever but it certainly wasn't bogus. The late hammer bump as they went for it looked worse in real time than it did in slow mo.

With that defense the pats aren't going far anyway, so just enjoy what you got ;)

[RendeR]

This celebration penalty bullshit really has to stop.

[RendeR]

oh yeah 14-0 bills. but they're reviewing

[mckerney]

Heisman winner Robert Griffin III of Baylor Bears to enter NFL draft, sources say - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7410307/heisman-winner-robert-griffin-iii-baylor-bears-enter-nfl-draft-sources-say)

<i>The Indianapolis Colts have spent significant time evaluating Griffin on tape and in person and have been impressed enough to make the Baylor star their future quarterback without regret of losing out on Luck, should they beat the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday and end up with the No. 2 pick.</i>

GO JAGUARS!

[Coffee Warlord]

Vikings clearly looking to throw the game this week with the announcement that they're starting Christian Ponder.

Vs Josh McCown and probably Nathan Enderle, Ponder may just be the best QB on the field.

[mckerney]

It's painful how much the Vikings gameplan on offense is built around making sure Ponder doesn't have to throw more than 5 yards downfield.

[SirFozzie]

Pats throwing their second straight early stinkeroo

[mckerney]

Vs Josh McCown and probably Nathan Enderle, Ponder may just be the best QB on the field.

No, that'd be Joe Webb when he's in as a receiver.

[Grover]

TJ Yates had to be taken into the locker room in Houston... Jake Delhomme in at QB

[RendeR]

Bills 21-0. Looks like the PAts D mailed it in yet again. Can Brady keep coming back?

[RendeR]

And how far down do they need to be to pull brady altogether?

[Grover]

And how far down do they need to be to pull brady altogether?

I'm willing to bet they want him to pass Marino.

[mckerney]

Stupid Bears turnovers are going to cause the Vikings to blow this one... :(

[PilotMan]

Most teams would be alright with a 21 point lead at any point in the game, but between the Bills natural tendencies and the Brady factor anything can happen.

Go Bills. Go Bengals. Go Steelers.

[Grover]

Rams... oy. Ball given to Jackson, Clemens runs a wheel route, Jackson throws it in his direction, easily picked.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm a big Miami fan today. I'm almost certain either Oakland or Denver will lose, so I am hoping the Fins help insure the Bengals chances at a postseason berth.

[Grover]

TJ Yates is out for the rest of the Texans/Titans game, coach's decision.

[Matthean]

Green Bay up 10-9 in a game they have nothing on the line. If Detroit can't break the streak here, I have little hope for them in the playoffs.

[BillJasper]

It hurts to be a Dolphins fan anymore.

[RendeR]

Dolphins have no pride what so ever. They're playing like they have a T time at 4:15.

[Passacaglia]

Green Bay up 10-9 in a game they have nothing on the line. If Detroit can't break the streak here, I have little hope for them in the playoffs.

Not able to watch the game here in Chicago, but do the Lions really have anything on the line, either? I know that they can be the 5th instead of the 6th seed with a win, and I know the NFC East winner will be an easier game than the Saints or 49ers, but is that really worth much?

[BillJasper]

Boy that Carolina defense is bad.

[SirFozzie]

Apparently. The Pats have received their wake up call

[RendeR]

AAaaaaaand the Bills are back. 21-14 now. Yikes.

[RendeR]

Boy that Carolina defense is bad.


In their defense they are playing the Saints =)

[RendeR]

Bills Defense is apparently just as horrible as the Pats.

[BillJasper]

In their defense they are playing the Saints =)

True. But I'm convinced they couldn't stop an opposing offense even if the offense was in wheelchairs. :D

[SirFozzie]

Bills going for it on fourth and twelve? That's no confidence in your kicked punter or defense

[Matthean]

Not able to watch the game here in Chicago, but do the Lions really have anything on the line, either? I know that they can be the 5th instead of the 6th seed with a win, and I know the NFC East winner will be an easier game than the Saints or 49ers, but is that really worth much?

The Lions haven't won at Green Bay since 1991. They are facing the Matt Flynn lead Packers. There comes a moment where you need to separate yourself from the pretenders and prove yourself to be a contender. If the Lions can't beat them now, how do they plan on beating them when it matters? And the difference in a 5th seed vs. 6th seed does seem significant this year.

[BillJasper]

Cam Newton's patience really impresses me.

[RendeR]

Punting really wasn't an option from there and the kid they have kicking doesn't have a real leg. Might as well take a shot?

[SirFozzie]

If you don't trust your kicked.. you at least try a Rugby up and under or pooch kick. They just gave Brady about twenty yards. Could be the difference between a FG or a TD

[mckerney]

And now with Ponder out the Vikings have a chance to win again. Fuck.

[BillJasper]

Another 'wtf?' throw from Sanchez.

[SirFozzie]

Ouch

[BillJasper]

How do you let Colston into the end zone on that play?

[Jas_lov]

They better not let Walt Coleman and his crew anywhere near a playoff game. Terrible calls all over in the GB-DET game.

[RendeR]

Its just as bad in the Bills/Pats game. A whole lot of touchy feely calls and completely ignored ones.

[SirFozzie]

If the bills are going to play "defends" like that.. it's going to be a shootouts. There was four or five drops bad throws and they still moved the ball easy

[RendeR]

Bills Defense is apparently just as horrible as the Pats.



I think you missed this =)

[RendeR]

Where the hell did THAT defense come from?

[whomario]

Matt Flynn could be earning himself some money with this game tonight

great play by moore to put Miami in the lead

[Racer]

Very, very important 15 minutes of football for the Colts.

[RendeR]

Lets go DOLPHINS!

[SirFozzie]

GRONK

[RendeR]

Bills have lost their confidence on Defense. making stupid mistakes. horrible play.

[mckerney]

We may be close to having a legitimate single season sack record again, Jared Allen with 3.5 on the day and 22 for the season.

[Matthean]

Brees with 345 yards and 4 TDs.

[larrymcg421]

LMAO 49ers with the easiest fake FG ever. The Rams didn't even see Crabtree on the field.

[Julio Riddols]

All right Miami. Ice this bitch.

[kingfc22]

LMAO 49ers with the easiest fake FG ever. The Rams didn't even see Crabtree on the field.

It was a thing of beauty.

[kingfc22]

Mark Sanchez can't be the Jets QB next year, right?

[Matthean]

Brees with 345 yards and 4 TDs.

389 yards with 5 TDs.

[SirFozzie]

Law Firm!

Thayt should do it

[RendeR]

And the Bills have completely given up. Wow, talk about no heart.

[RendeR]

Sad part is, its the Bills Offense that has failed utterly. 21 first quarter points and they haven't scored anything since on the leagues 2nd or 3rd worst defense. Kinda sad.

[RendeR]

Come on Dolphins, win one!

[RendeR]

HORRIBLE call in the Jets Dolphins game.

[larrymcg421]

Wow, what a fucking horseshit call in the Jets-Fins game.

[Racer]

I hate prevent defense. 3:22 to go. Colts have two timeouts left and 2 minute warning. Lets go Jaguars.

[RendeR]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO Go Dolphins!

[larrymcg421]

Hell yeah, try to call that one back, you dumbass refs.

[Julio Riddols]

Its all good, that pick ought to seal it.

[Danny]

Wow Sanchez sucks. Now the Raiders need a Broncos loss or a Tennessee loss.

[cuervo72]

Wow Sanchez sucks.


Again...younger Rex Grossman.

[Julio Riddols]

Joyful Noise.. Jesus. I feel terrible for anyone whose wife or girlfriend drags them to that.

[SirFozzie]

TMQ just wrote Game Over in his notebook re bills pats

[RendeR]

Ok I retract my earlier dismay with the Dolphins.

Go MIAMI!

[Danny]

And I am a points race for an extra $100 and I started Sanchez over Flacco, ugh. Still looking alright through with Calvin Johnson, Jones-Drew, D Jackson and Gronkowski all putting up good points.

[Racer]

Colts clinch #1 overall pick!!!

[whomario]

fitting way to end that game for the Jets, that was hilarious :D

edit : ok, then it´s still hilarious even though it doesn´t count ;)

[Grover]

Dear Miami Dolphins, for today and today only, I love you.

Sincerely, a very happy Bengals fan

[Matthean]

Lions and Packers playing a game of who gets to 45 first.

[Danny]

Dear Miami Dolphins, for today and today only, I love you.

Sincerely, a very happy Bengals fan

Uh, Jets have really nothing to do with your playoff hopes. You need Tennessee to lose as well (which looks unlikely)

[Rizon]

J-E-T-S LOL! LOL! LOL!

[Julio Riddols]

Now either Oakland or Denver loses and we're in no matter what.. Much less stress in watching this upcoming game.

[SirFozzie]

Re-GRONK

[Julio Riddols]

Uh, Jets have really nothing to do with your playoff hopes. You need Tennessee to lose as well (which looks unlikely)

Tennessee lost to Cinci head to head, so their winning or losing doesn't matter.

[Grover]

Uh, Jets have really nothing to do with your playoff hopes. You need Tennessee to lose as well (which looks unlikely)

CINCINNATI BENGALS

Cincinnati clinches a wild-card spot:

1) CIN win or tie

2) NYJ loss or tie + OAK loss or tie

3) NYJ loss or tie + DEN loss or tie

we beat the Titans earlier in the year, so we had that tie-breaker with them.

[RendeR]

Uh, Jets have really nothing to do with your playoff hopes. You need Tennessee to lose as well (which looks unlikely)



Actually no, The titans have nothing to do with our playoff hopes. We beat Tennessee 24-17.

We require a Jets loss and EITHER Denver or Oakland losses to get in.


Thank you Dolphins!

[molson]

Santino Holmes throwing a little bitch fit.

[RendeR]

Now thats some Bengals Fans smackdown =)

[RendeR]

Come on Miami, hold on to this one.

[Rizon]

Worst onside attempt of all time?

[RendeR]

Down go the Jets.

[molson]

389 yards with 5 TDs.

He didn't leave anything to chance RE: Brady....though Brady does pass Marino as well.

[Crapshoot]

Rams are trying to make this interesting... That's the second rushing TD the 49ers have given up today, and now its 34-27.

[kingfc22]

BS PI call in STL/SF game. Ball was under thrown and Lloyd fell trying to stop and get back to the ball.

NFL officiating is soooo bad.

[Racer]

CINCINNATI BENGALS

Cincinnati clinches a wild-card spot:

1) CIN win or tie

2) NYJ loss or tie + OAK loss or tie

3) NYJ loss or tie + DEN loss or tie

we beat the Titans earlier in the year, so we had that tie-breaker with them.

Titans would get in with a Titans win + Raiders win + Broncos win + Bengals loss.

[Danny]

Actually no, The titans have nothing to do with our playoff hopes. We beat Tennessee 24-17.

We require a Jets loss and EITHER Denver or Oakland losses to get in.


Thank you Dolphins!

Yeah, that was a smackdown. Playoff scenarios so weird cause I know if Oakland wins, Denver wins and Tennesee wins, then Oakland is out, but then isn't Tennesee in?

[RendeR]

OK, i'm off here to watch the Bengals.

[Danny]

Wow, I could end up with the extra $175 with huge days from Gronk and Megatron and solid days from Jones0Drew, Deshaun and some points from Ridley who I had to start with Bush out.

[Danny]

YES HOUSTON TIES IT!!!!

[Danny]

Well maybe not

[Danny]

Lets go Houston

[RendeR]

Yeah, that was a smackdown. Playoff scenarios so weird cause I know if Oakland wins, Denver wins and Tennesee wins, then Oakland is out, but then isn't Tennesee in?



Yes.

[Pumpy Tudors]

The Titans have to stop a two-point conversion here to save their season. This'll be fun.

[Racer]

Texans going for two here. Big play upcoming for Titans.

[Danny]

You have to kick now

[Danny]

Or not

[Danny]

Man that sucks

[Danny]

Now Denver has to lose and Raiders win to get in.

[molson]

Ha, that would be awesome if the Titans get into the playoffs like that. Texans go for 2 at the end just so they don't play another quarter in a meaningless game for them, they get a penalty, and still go for 2 from the 7. And they botch the snap, Titans win.

[kingfc22]

Come on D. Make a damn play!

[mckerney]

Colts clinch #1 overall pick!!!

Yes! Was worried they'd pick RGIII at #2 if they were picking there and Luck went #1, now hopefully RGIII will be there when the Vikings pick at #3.

[Radii]

That two point effort by Houston was just awesome. That should have been a way more exciting way to end a game!

[Grover]

Yeah, that was a smackdown.

We're not in this position often, we take it seriously when it happens!

[Danny]

Yeah, I made sure to know all the Raiders scenarios so I just assumed that because if they won and Tennesee won and Jets loss that Tenn would be in that it would be the same if the Raiders lost.

[Danny]

Nice picks there to make up for the penalty, but it was really Rivers just giving it to them.

[Grover]

Ray Rice 70 yard TD run, not a good start.

[kingfc22]

Another BS PI call this time in GB

[Julio Riddols]

Ray Rice 70 yard TD run, not a good start.

This is why I am a big fan of the opponents of everyone we need to lose. I don't think Cinci can win a game like this. Don't have a lot of faith in the playoffs either, but I really don't see them beating a hungry Ravens team without playing lights out.

[kingfc22]

Ejecting a player for not letting the offensive player get up? Am I missing something else here in this SD/OAK game?

[Grover]

This is why I am a big fan of the opponents of everyone we need to lose. I don't think Cinci can win a game like this. Don't have a lot of faith in the playoffs either, but I really don't see them beating a hungry Ravens team without playing lights out.

I think the Chiefs can win, I don't have much faith in Norv and the Bolts.

[Julio Riddols]

Matt Flynn is gonna get a starting job somewhere. And he looks eerily like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Edit: They're even listed as the same height and weight.

[whomario]

Stafford very close to hitting 5000 passing yards as well, right ?

[Danny]

Freaking Succup

[frnk55]

Freaking Succup
But ya gotta love the name. ;)

[Danny]

Hmmm, that wasn't a touchdown, but ill take it

[TroyF]

Pretty sure Chris Kuper of the broncos just had a disgusting injury.


I didn't get a great look, but it looked as though his foot was facing the wrong way. The cart is out and CBS isn't showing any clear picture.

[Danny]

Flynn has got himself some big money today

[Crapshoot]

What the hell is going on in gb- det? Both qb"s have thrown for what, 500 yards?

[kingfc22]

Detroit's travel planner needs to change plans, again...

[kingfc22]

Have fun in NO Detroit. Hope Schwartz doesn't get offended if the crowd is too loud.

[Jas_lov]

Pack wins! Lions lose to the Packers backups and are headed for another beat down in New Orleans. They're a dirty team and deserve to get destroyed by the Saints.

[whomario]

So, in a season where Rogers is all kinds of brilliant, Matt Flynn sets new team records for TD passes and Yards in a game :D

[Danny]

Is that a record for most passing yards in a game?

[kingfc22]

So when does ATL pull Ryan and their other starters.

This no effort/no heart TB team has no chance.

[Izulde]

yeah the graphic said it set the NFL record for most combined passing yards in a game.

[Mustang]

So, in a season where Rogers is all kinds of brilliant, Matt Flynn sets new team records for TD passes and Yards in a game :D

Wonder if Flynn just screwed Rodgers out of a MVP if people start thinking that any QB could have success in GB.

[Matthean]

Matt Flynn is gonna get a starting job somewhere. And he looks eerily like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Edit: They're even listed as the same height and weight.

Yep. He'll get paid a ton based on two games that he has played. Sure, he has looked good, but two games. Even Cassel had more of a resume than what Flynn does.

This is very much a same old Lions loss though. Playing a team that doesn't need to win at all and is using backups and you still can't beat them. Now they need to face N.O. who haven't lost at home yet or since the Rams game. Seriously, the Saints got beat by the Rams and Bucs. WTF?

[Danny]

Brees made it close, but I still think the MVP has to go to Rodgers. Best record in all of football and better QB rating.

[Tigercat]

Considering the basics of what MVP is suppose to mean from the words it stands for, does Flynn's performance put Brees above Rogers? The backup QB who has barely seen the regular season field comes out and throws for 480 yards and 6 TDs against a playoff team? Would that not make Brees more valuable for his team? (Unless you think Chase Daniel could do the same, which is very doubtful.)

And then if we argue it means "Most Valuable Player to the league," given that Brees lead the saints to a tie with the second best record in the NFL AND broke multiple NFL records....

Is efficiency in an offense that can make the backup QB look like a football God really how we are going to decide the MVP? Before today I was thinking Rogers as MVP and Brees as offensive player of the year, now I am thinking the opposite way is the right way to go.

[Jas_lov]

Wonder if Flynn just screwed Rodgers out of a MVP if people start thinking that any QB could have success in GB.

Only the idiots that will vote Peyton Manning for MVP. It's either Rodgers or Brees and Rodgers should win. Rodgers played so well all year and he would have gone over 5,000 yards had he played today. The Pack was so good this year thanks to Rodgers that he didn't have to even play the last game.

[Vince, Pt. II]

In my FFL league, I just lost the championship game to Matt Flynn and Calvin Johnson. Ugh.

[Jas_lov]

Considering the basics of what MVP is suppose to mean from the words it stands for, does Flynn's performance put Brees above Rogers? The backup QB who has barely seen the regular season field comes out and throws for 480 yards and 6 TDs against a playoff team? Would that not make Brees more valuable for his team? (Unless you think Chase Daniel could do the same, which is very doubtful.)

And then if we argue it means "Most Valuable Player to the league," given that Brees lead the saints to a tie with the second best record in the NFL AND broke multiple NFL records....

Is efficiency in an offense that can make the backup QB look like a football God really how we are going to decide the MVP? Before today I was thinking Rogers as MVP and Brees as offensive player of the year, now I am thinking the opposite way is the right way to go.

If the MVP is decided on how good the backup is then Peyton Manning is the MVP. By your definition of MVP isn't he the most valuable? There's a debate to be had between Brees and Rodgers but Flynn's performance today shouldn't factor in at all.

[Grover]

Nugent misses a 36 yard FG on 4th and 1 from the Ravens 19. I would've gone for it.

[Radii]

In my FFL league, I just lost the championship game to Matt Flynn and Calvin Johnson. Ugh.

ew, FF leagues should finish in week 16 imo. Week 17 is just horrible for fantasy.

[Rizon]

Falcons laying down the Tecmo Super Bowl stick against some team calledl "TB".

[Mustang]

There's a debate to be had between Brees and Rodgers but Flynn's performance today shouldn't factor in at all.

I wasn't suggesting that someone else other than Rodgers or Brees would win, but now people might have the nod to Brees thinking that Rodgers is a 'system QB' or has so many weapons.

Granted, it is a stupid thought however.. there are alot of stupid people. *cough* Skip Bayless *cough*

[Matthean]

If the MVP is decided on how good the backup is then Peyton Manning is the MVP.

This is also saying somebody wins an award because a GM wasn't smart enough to get a quality backup.

[Tigercat]

If the MVP is decided on how good the backup is then Peyton Manning is the MVP. By your definition of MVP isn't he the most valuable? There's a debate to be had between Brees and Rodgers but Flynn's performance today shouldn't factor in at all.

Yes, it does show that Manning is the MVP, you know, when he is actually a part of the league, as in playing. OK, take out Flynn or even thinking about who GB's QB was today. Green Bay's offense STILL killed it without Rogers. Would the Saints do the same without Brees? Doubtful.

If Foster had gotten 2000 yards for the Texans this year, but missed a game with an injury after which Tate(or whoever) got 250 yards on the ground, I wouldn't think Foster should get the MVP either. That is what the offensive player of the year is for. MVP should be the player that adds the most value to his team and the league. Even though both Brees and Rogers may "deserve" it, one player has shown down the stretch that he has been more valuable to the league and his team this season. Hell, I would put Brady ahead of Rogers at this point. But I would give Rogers the offensive player of the year for being the QB of an unstoppable passing attack through 15 games

But, writers crowned Rogers MVP 4-6 weeks ago, and sports writers don't like re-evaluating judgments in a way that goes against a successful team or player. So Rogers will still probably win. It's the wrong call, in my biased opinion.

[Tigercat]

I wasn't suggesting that someone else other than Rodgers or Brees would win, but now people might have the nod to Brees thinking that Rodgers is a 'system QB' or has so many weapons.

Granted, it is a stupid thought however.. there are alot of stupid people. *cough* Skip Bayless *cough*

Stupid thought to make that as a significant argument, cause Rogers is a great to awesome QB regardless. But when three QBs are having the best seasons in the history of the league? And there shouldn't be that much separation between the three? I think it's a stupid thought to throw away an argument for or against any of them, and having your offense look that unstoppable in your absence...

[Danny]

Yes, it does show that Manning is the MVP, you know, when he is actually a part of the league, as in playing. OK, take out Flynn or even thinking about who GB's QB was today. Green Bay's offense STILL killed it without Rogers. Would the Saints do the same without Brees? Doubtful.

If Foster had gotten 2000 yards for the Texans this year, but missed a game with an injury after which Tate(or whoever) got 250 yards on the ground, I wouldn't think Foster should get the MVP either. That is what the offensive player of the year is for. MVP should be the player that adds the most value to his team and the league. Even though both Brees and Rogers may "deserve" it, one player has shown down the stretch that he has been more valuable to the league and his team this season. Hell, I would put Brady ahead of Rogers at this point. But I would give Rogers the offensive player of the year for being the QB of an unstoppable passing attack through 15 games

But, writers crowned Rogers MVP 4-6 weeks ago, and sports writers don't like re-evaluating judgments in a way that goes against a successful team or player. So Rogers will still probably win. It's the wrong call, in my biased opinion.

You are clearly biased in this argument (not that I blame you). You're talking about MVP. Rodgers had statistically a more efficient season than Brees and had his team in a position where they had clinched home field throughout the playoffs and didn't even need to play the last week. This despite one of the worst defenses in the league.

What Flynn did today does not matter at all. Brees only racked up the huge statistics the last two weeks because he had his team in a position where they needed it.

[Grover]

Ping: Chiefs and Chargers

Keep up the great work!

[Matthean]

Broncos could lose three in a row and still make the playoffs but having to face Pittsburgh.

It seems a lot of people don't mind losing their jobs in TB.

[Grover]

If I'm the Glazers, I fire Morris at half time.

[Grover]

Awful, awful fucking call on Reggie Nelson. That was not a personal foul

[Tigercat]

What Flynn did today does not matter at all.

Why? Because the Lions laid down? I can buy that if it happened. (Wasn't able to watch that game.) But the system possibly being as great or greater than the player has effected MVP races before.

Or are backups setting yardage and TD records for storied franchises really just blips on the radar? Really? Biased or not, and I will certainly admit that I am, I find offenses scoring and driving the ball at will in a record fashion on a playoff team (with seeding to play for) without the NFL MVP a hard thing to just completely throw into the trash can of football discussions.

Anyway, enough from me about awards that don't really matter, back to real football!

[Atocep]

Rodgers had statistically a more efficient season

Not necessarily. QB rating doesn't measure efficiency. It really doesn't measure much of anything.

Heading into this week Brees had the edge in DYAR and Rodgers had the edge in DVOA. Brees played a slightly tougher group of defenses so his stats look better when adjusted.

Both QBs were fantastic this year. I don't have an issue seeing either one get the MVP. I really don't see much that separates them.

[Danny]

Flynn was only playing because Rodgers lead his team to the best record in football. And it is one game. Flynn cartainly hasn't looked anywhere near that when he has played before (71 passes before today).

[PilotMan]

I see the Ravens brought their own refs to the game today.

[Danny]

Not necessarily. QB rating doesn't measure efficiency. It really doesn't measure much of anything.

Heading into this week Brees had the edge in DYAR and Rodgers had the edge in DVOA. Brees played a slightly tougher group of defenses so his stats look better when adjusted.

Both QBs were fantastic this year. I don't have an issue seeing either one get the MVP. I really don't see much that separates them.

And that is a reasonable argument. I think using Flynn's week 17 performance in any fashion to base your argument on is weak

[TargetPractice6]

I see the Ravens brought their own refs to the game today.That drive was a travesty.

[Grover]

That drive was a travesty.

Understatement.

[Danny]

If the Raiders lose, it is Bresnehan who cost them their shot at the playoffs. So many earlier games they should have won if only their defense did not play so bad

[Danny]

Wow so stupid, dumbass WR

[Grover]

And another really bad call against the Bengals.

[Julio Riddols]

Wow, what a lopsided bunch of shit calls so far.. The Bengals aren't winning without the flags, but they also would have a better chance to get some momentum.

[kingfc22]

PIT or BAL will destroy either AFC West team backs into the postseason.

[Grover]

Wow, what a lopsided bunch of shit calls so far.. The Bengals aren't winning without the flags, but they also would have a better chance to get some momentum.

Penalties are 4-4, but it seems like it's 10-1 in Baltimore's favor.

[Danny]

PIT or BAL will destroy either AFC West team backs into the postseason.

Probably, but Pitt seems to be having trouble even beating Cleveland right now.

[kingfc22]

If I'm the Glazers, I fire Morris at half time.

He should have been fired about 4 weeks ago. This team is pathetic and giving ZERO effort.

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, its not the quantity, but the sheer lack of penalties being there to call. Three of the flags against Cinci have just been downright wrong. Plainly, blatantly wrong.

[Julio Riddols]

This draft needs to bring us a RB and 2 really good G's.

[PilotMan]

Finally.

[Grover]

BERNARD SCOTT!

[Julio Riddols]

Well thats one way to make up for a missed td pass.

[Grover]

This draft needs to bring us a RB and 2 really good G's.

I want us to use one of the two firsts on DeCastro from Stanford.

[Julio Riddols]

I love seeing Benson on the bench though. Dude sucks.

[Julio Riddols]

I'll gladly take him, Richardson/Ball and any lineman from Wisconsin.

[Julio Riddols]

Meanwhile, Rivers is looking like his old self. I love it. I think we can beat the Texans.

[TargetPractice6]

Good stop by the Bengals there. I was holding my breath looking for a flag, though.

[JPhillips]

This draft needs to bring us a RB and 2 really good G's.

Better get some DBs, too.

[Grover]

Better get some DBs, too.

CB depth, please. After Hall and Clements the cupboard is beyond bare.

[PilotMan]

Hines Ward will, without a doubt, have at least 5 receptions today.

Congrats Hines on reaching your goal of 1000 career receptions!

[JPhillips]

And who knows what level Hall will be at when he returns.

[Matthean]

So another abysmal game by Tebow and unless KC screws it up, the Broncos lose and Oakland is within striking distance.

[Crapshoot]

Holy hell, the Raiders just got a safety on a kick off!@

Edit: No, they say he was down at the half-yard line.

[Crapshoot]

So another abysmal game by Tebow and unless KC screws it up, the Broncos lose and Oakland is within striking distance.

Don't you understand? Anything before the 4th quarter doesn't' count!

[molson]

If the Broncos back in maybe they should start Brady Quinn in their playoff game.

[Danny]

Damn it, let them out of trouble after the almost safety

[Danny]

Man I hate this defense.

[Radii]

Its sick what counts as roughing the passer these days, assuming that roughing against tebow is actually how the rule is written now...

[Grover]

Tim Tebow is terrible. Absolutely terrible.

[Danny]

But they are going to get in, this defense sucks so bad

[kingfc22]

The Tebow Magic is gone.

Blame the Mayans.

[Grover]

also: PLAYOFFS!

[Matthean]

T. Tebow, 6/22, 60 yards, 1 INT, 20.6 rating.

Tebowmania, out like 2011.

[molson]

So I wonder if Carson Palmer sits on his sofa and watches the Bengals playoff game, or if he finds something else to busy himself with that day.

[Julio Riddols]

Good job K.C. The refs didn't want us to win this.

[PilotMan]

refs FTL in Cincy.

[JPhillips]

The Bengals don't really deserve the playoffs, but I'll take it. Two first round picks and a third place schedule for next year makes me pretty confident for 2012.

[Grover]

An awful non-call against the Ravens in the end zone there.

[kingfc22]

Time for a timely Palmer INT.

[JPhillips]

Time for a timely Palmer INT.

JINX!

[Grover]

Time for a timely Palmer INT.

Nice call.

[Atocep]

T. Tebow, 6/22, 60 yards, 1 INT, 20.6 rating.

Tebowmania, out like 2011.

You just don't get it. The last 3 games didn't count. The Broncos obviously had a playoff spot locked up.

Tebowmania returns for the 4th quarter of next week's wild card game.

[Danny]

lol you called it. Didn't really matter, no way the defense stopped them even if they scored

[kingfc22]

Time for a timely Palmer INT.

Yea, that was like taking candy from a baby. :cool:

[Julio Riddols]

Time for a timely Palmer INT.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAWesome.

[PilotMan]

What's Tim Tebow's favorite movie?




Happy Feet

[molson]

Somewhere, jbmagic is shaking his head sadly.

[Julio Riddols]

And Carson couldn't give less of a shit if he wins. Thats why Oakland made a terrible trade.

[molson]

So, I think is the lineup then, right?

AFC:

Byes: Patriots, Ravens

Bengals at Texans
Steelers at Broncos

NFC:

Byes: Packers, 49ers

Lions at Saints
Falcons at Giants/Cowboys

[Danny]

Bresnehan better be fired. And Jackson really needs to reduce his mistakes

[Julio Riddols]

I'm amazed Bresnahan got another job after his horrible DC work in Cinci.

[molson]

A Bengals/Pats playoff game in two weeks would be a lot of fun. Lucky for the Pats, I think, that the Ravens got the bye.

[Rizon]

Raiders playing like a team that hasn't had a winning record in 10 years.

Also, Norv > Tebow!

[Atocep]

Ricky Williams went over 10k career rushing yards today. Quite the accomplishment all things considered.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Norv Turner did a great job getting the Broncos into the playoffs. Thanks, Norv!

[Lathum]

If you had told me when the season started given the talent and injuries on the roster I would be elated if it came down to a one game home playoff game to get in.

Time to get it done GMen!

[Buccaneer]

This NFL season was a great success!

1. Jets did not make the playoffs
2. Eagles did not make the playoffs
3. Pats are #1 seed
4. Norv Turner will likely get fired

[EagleFan]

This NFL season was a great success!

1. Jets did not make the playoffs
2. Eagles did not make the playoffs
3. Pats are #1 seed
4. Norv Turner will likely get fired

Are you a Pats fan?

Rather pathetic that the top two items that make you consider a season a succcess are other teams not making the playoffs. You must have a sad life.

[Lathum]

Cruz!!!!!

FU Probowl!

[sabotai]

Eli has 104 yards passing so far. 309 more yards to go to get to 5,000 for the year.

[Lathum]

Eli has 104 yards passing so far. 309 more yards to go to get to 5,000 for the year.

I hope he gets nowhere near that. For once I want to see us put someone away early and use the running game to shorten the game up.

[Lathum]

oof! That was close, gotta protect the ball. Dodged a bullet there

[Dutch]

Thank God it's over.

[EagleFan]

I am amazed at how many times the refs have missed facemask calls this season which seem obvious to everyone else but them.

[Lathum]

I am amazed at how many times the refs have missed facemask calls this season which seem obvious to everyone else but them.

yeah, maybe Sak could enlighten us as to where the ref is looking, but I agree. There have already been 2 missed tonight.

That being said, could not have asked for a better start. Defense has put pressure on Romo and he looks rattled plus the offense has kept them off the field.

[Racer]

Going through the SOS of the non-playoff teams in Excel, the draft order at the top looks like this (if I was mistake free):

1. Indianapolis Colts (2-14)
2. St. Louis Rams (2-14)
3. Minnesota Vikings (3-13) -
4. Cleveland Browns (4-12)
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)
6. Washington Redskins (5-11)
7. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11)
8/9. Miami Dolphins (6-10) *
9/8. Carolina Panthers (6-10) *
10. Buffalo Bills (6-10)
11/12. Kansas City Chiefs (7-9) *
12/11. Seattle Seahwaks (7-9) *
13. Arizona Cardinals (8-8)

(14. Dallas Cowboys if they finish 8-8))

14/15. Philadelphia Eagles (8-8)
15/16. N.Y. Jets (8-8)
16/17. Oakland Raiders (8-8)
17/18. San Diego Chargers (8-8)

(18/19. N.Y Giants if they finish (8-8))*

19/18. Chicago Bears (8-8) *
20. Tennessee Titans (9-7)

* - Order will be determined by a coin flip.

[Grover]

Bengals picking 16/17? I like it.

[JPhillips]

Should be interesting to see if Washington or Miami try to trade up for RG3.

[EagleFan]

That useless 4 game winning streak cost the Eagles a potential #6 pick (or as high as #4 pick). That would have at least made something out of the season, though Ried would have screwed up the pick somehow.

[EagleFan]

Romo keeps going down like a pro.