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[JediKooter]

You know who helped make Alex Smith bad? That's right...Norv Turner.

[Sun Tzu]

You know who helped make Alex Smith bad? That's right...Norv Turner.

I don't have a problem with Turner, though after seeing a full season of Turner and a full season of Harbaugh, I think Harbaugh's scheme fit's Alex much better. Turner is a great OC, and I think he should have just stuck with that.

[JediKooter]

I don't have a problem with Turner, though after seeing a full season of Turner and a full season of Harbaugh, I think Harbaugh's scheme fit's Alex much better. Turner is a great OC, and I think he should have just stuck with that.

You would have a problem with him if he was the head coach of your favorite team that has plenty of talent and year after year demands that they play to his mediocre standards. Consistently starting the season like they didn't have any training camps or pre-season games. Looking like they studied game film of a completely different team than the team they are currently playing.

Or more disturbing in what I saw last weekend when they played the 49ers in their last pre-season game...looking like a bunch of 90 year old men trying to run up a steep hill. I've never seen the Chargers that SLOW before. It was like they had sandbags tied to their ankles. To me, that points to a lack of preparedness and conditioning.

Good thing I do like the 49ers. :D

Alex Smith did look very good yesterday though. The whole team did actually. Though I do have a feeling special teams will be working on their punt return coverage in practice this week.

[Sun Tzu]

Though I do have a feeling special teams will be working on their punt return coverage in practice this week.

Well, to keep things in perspective, that punt returner would likely have been tackled by Anthony Dixon if it weren't for an illegal block in the back.

re: the rest of your post, I'm sure you're right. I've never been a fan of HC Norv. I don't think much stock should be put into pre-season games (if any), but I do think with a different coach the Chargers would be a stronger team.

[JediKooter]

Well, to keep things in perspective, that punt returner would likely have been tackled by Anthony Dixon if it weren't for an illegal block in the back.

I give Lee a D+ on his Deion Sanders-ish attempt at tackling the guy though. :)

re: the rest of your post, I'm sure you're right. I've never been a fan of HC Norv. I don't think much stock should be put into pre-season games (if any), but I do think with a different coach the Chargers would be a stronger team.

I'm with you on pre-season games. The only thing I look for in pre-season games other than how the rookies play, is how the team 'looks'. It was bad.

[stevew]

I really need Antonio Gates to make a statement tonight. 100+ yards and a TD would be great

[RendeR]

In relation to "giving alex smith some stability"


But isn't that true of most top level QB's?


Yes you will always have a Ryan Leaf episode of two, but for the vast majority its not their talent that fails them, its the supporting cast either sucking wind or being changed on a year to year basis.

[spleen1015]

Didn't Alex Smith have something like 6 different OC his first 6 years in the league. Not only that, but before last year, wasn't his job always in question? Even this off season after he had a decent year last year, they were trying to sign Manning.

I don't think in his case is of changing teammates.

[Lathum]

It is fun to be in Seattle and watch people jump ship like rats from the Russell Wilson bandwagon

[Rizon]

The ginormous shadows of Montana and Young don't make things easy in SF. He'll be fine once he wins 800 superbowls.

[stevew]

It is fun to be in Seattle and watch people jump ship like rats from the Russell Wilson bandwagon
It's amazing that they have forsaken their short Jesus

[cougarfreak]

I really fear for Andy Dalton's life tonight. In the past month, the Bengals have replaced a center and a guard due to injury. The other guard is a rookie. Ngata is going to run wild in the Bengals backfield all night. Hope I'm wrong...

[tucker rocky]

Joe Haden of Cleveland Browns suspended four games

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000060490/article/joe-haden-of-cleveland-browns-suspended-four-games?module=HP11_breaking_news

[Sun Tzu]

Hmmph...I didn't know players outside of the Bengals got suspended for off-the-field activity.

[Sun Tzu]

Did the new MNF intro trip anybody else out?

[Chief Rum]

Hmmph...I didn't know players outside of the Bengals got suspended for off-the-field activity.

Ohio

[Sun Tzu]

Ohio

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Oof. Falcons announce Brent Grimes out for the year with an achilles tendon injury.

Atlanta Falcons: Grimes out for season (updated) | Atlanta Falcons (http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2012/09/10/atlanta-falcons-grimes-out-for-season/)

[RainMaker]

That sucks. Worked his ass off to get to where he was. D2 player who went undrafted and spent time playing in Europe. He was a year away from a payday. Will probably never get it now.

[Rizon]

Oh, I laughed at the unintentional humor.

[Sun Tzu]

About the peak artistic level you're going to find with Raiders fans, right there.

[jeff061]

Wes Welker on Tom Brady:

Obviously, he gets banged up, and he’s probably the toughest metrosexual I’ve ever come across.”

[MikeVic]

That AJ Green no-catch call was pretty bad there. Yeaterday's steelers game had a play where the play clock was at least a full second at 0, and they allowed Ben to call a timeout... Those two were a couple of the most obvious missed calls I e seen.

[BillJasper]

Not a catch by Boldin.

[BillJasper]

That wasn't a catch.

[cougarfreak]

Not a catch by Boldin.

I'm shocked that was ruled a catch.

[BillJasper]

I'm glad the replacement refs are keeping up the fine tradition of not knowing what a catch is.

[JPhillips]

Hate this, but they look like the same old Bengals.

[BillJasper]

Taylor Mays is a moron...

[JediKooter]

Ed Hochuli would be proud.

[BillJasper]

The SportsCenter commercial with John Clayton was hilarious! :lol:

[Ksyrup]

At what point does a catch turn into possession? Did AJ Green not catch the ball, take 2-3 steps, get tackled, and let go of the ball after his knees hit the ground? Good Lord I must be losing my mind.

Also - I hadn't noticed it so much yesterday, but the ball spots have been HORRIBLE. Ravens lost a yard on a play where the runner caught the ball, fell down without being touched, and rolled, yet they put him back where he fell. Then the Bengals had an unnecessary 3rd-and-1 when the receiver caught a ball a yard over the 1st down line but was driven back, and instead of giving him forward progress, he was marked where he was tackled. Just terrible.

[Sun Tzu]

I heard something earlier today on KNBR that made me think. I thought I'd share it with you...

If no one told you these were replacement refs, would you really have seen a difference?

[rowech]

Hate this, but they look like the same old Bengals.

Not even close. This team has some pride and play as a team. Defense has been horrible so far and they're right in it.

[Ksyrup]

That was textbook coverage and they called PI. He even kept the other arm back and extended away from the body. Geez.

[BillJasper]

Terrible pass interference call.

[rowech]

Defense is really bad though.

[Ksyrup]

I can't believe they didn't go for a TD on the 1. They get what they deserve. Where's the onions? Go win the fucking game.

[spleen1015]

AJ Green is good.

[hoopsguy]

AJ Green is good.

So is Ed Reed.

[Sun Tzu]

G-Men!

[cougarfreak]

Nice helmet to helmet while Dalton was on the ground there.

[Buccaneer]

I really hope that they NFL doesn't give in to the refs union. The results of yesterday's games likely would not have changed with or without replacement refs.

[JPhillips]

Not even close. This team has some pride and play as a team. Defense has been horrible so far and they're right in it.

What was that?

They're my team, but I've seen this a lot since 1990.

[Julio Riddols]

Well, that got ugly quick. Some bright spots offensively, but the defense over the middle just didn't give the Bengals a chance. Really bad.

[Julio Riddols]

Also, the refs are OBVIOUSLY worse. In almost every game I have watched there have been horrible inconsistencies in ball placement and calls, and some really bad calls overall. Bad calls on obvious plays.

[mauchow]

The refs starting to feel bad for Dalton, throwing a flag for personal foul because he got hit hard. This is freakin' football.

[stevew]

I really hope that they NFL doesn't give in to the refs union. The results of yesterday's games likely would not have changed with or without replacement refs.

but people need an outlet for their mock outrage

[hoopsguy]

The refs starting to feel bad for Dalton, throwing a flag for personal foul because he got hit hard. This is freakin' football.

Right now it looks like Andy Dalton is feeling bad for Andy Dalton.

[Lathum]

Chris Berman is not a good play by play guy

[Ksyrup]

Chris Berman is not a good play by play guy


Contract for life!

[kingfc22]

Taylor Mays is a moron...

Which is why Harbaugh cut his ass.

Oh Singletary...

[MikeVic]

So I follow fantasy football but I guess I don't pay a ton of attention or just forgot, but that info graphic about the Raiders D last year was pretty bad!!

[MikeVic]

I thought the raiders were supposed to have some vertical game or something? This is pretty boring, I think I'm the only one watching!

[kingfc22]

I thought the raiders were supposed to have some vertical game or something?

Al's gone.

[Glengoyne]

Chris Berman is not a good play by play guy


Yeah but at least they paired him with Dilfer to compensate.

:popcorn:

[Butter]

What was that?

They're my team, but I've seen this a lot since 1990.


Yup, no way they're over .500 this year. Happens every time there's a bit of hope. Next year, with the crap schedule, they'll go 11-5 and make people think they've turned the corner again.

[cougarfreak]

Yup, no way they're over .500 this year. Happens every time there's a bit of hope. Next year, with the crap schedule, they'll go 11-5 and make people think they've turned the corner again.

That game last night reminded me a lot of what Baltimore did to Pittsburgh in the opener last year. I was pleasantly surprised at how the Bengals did for parts of the game last night. I was really worried about their offensive line, but they were ok. The LB's and DB's were putrid.

[JPhillips]

Yeah, the back seven looked really awful.

I don't think the Bengals have covered a TE in the past twenty years.

[Butter]

The offense seemed... decent, even without a lot of proven WR weapons. Green-Ellis averaged 5 yards a carry... so he should tear apart some lesser D's.

[miami_fan]

So Jonathan Vilma is placed on the PUP list and now there are feelers being put out for another meeting with Goodell. Sounds like the beginnings of a good conspiracy theory.

[JediKooter]

Fuck!!! The Raiders are so bad they can't even help me out. Now I know how Raiders fans feel when you see your team self destruct right in front of you.

[albionmoonlight]

San Francisco 49ers UNDER 10 wins. Last season felt like a "everything that could go right did go right" season for them.

Anyone who would describe the 49ers season like this, obviously didn't watch many of their games. In fact, if you've been following the 49ers for the past few seasons, I'd argue that the Singletary era (which had many of the same players) was a collection of games where absolutely everything that could go wrong, did. Last year the 49ers played lights out football. That's why they won so many games.

Ummm . . . uh . . . well . . . yeah. So maybe you had a point ;)

[korme]

Okay, I know the Bengals got their asses kicked and I'm not saying it would have completely changed the course of the game... but that refereeing last night was god awful. The AJ Green 'no-catch', the fake Anquan Boldin TD, the PI on Leon Hall which was a great defensive play... unbelievable

[korme]

The offense seemed... decent, even without a lot of proven WR weapons. Green-Ellis averaged 5 yards a carry... so he should tear apart some lesser D's.

On the bright side, Baby Hawk is a playmaker

[Logan]

Okay, I know the Bengals got their asses kicked and I'm not saying it would have completely changed the course of the game... but that refereeing last night was god awful. The AJ Green 'no-catch', the fake Anquan Boldin TD, the PI on Leon Hall which was a great defensive play... unbelievable

Perreira agreed with the Green no catch call on Twitter. I didn't see what his response to the Boldin play was.

[Sun Tzu]

I didn't see anything that proved without a doubt that Boldin didn't catch that ball.

[spleen1015]

I didn't see anything that proved without a doubt that Boldin didn't catch that ball.

That's why the ref said the play 'stands'. Had he said the play was 'confirmed', then he had visual evidence that it was a catch.

I think the ball hit the ground.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Ummm . . . uh . . . well . . . yeah. So maybe you had a point ;)

I was joking with my friend before the game. I said "I think the Packers win by 6, but it's a close game the whole way. What I love though, is that I can hope for the 49ers to completely crush the Packers, and it's not out of the question."

You really couldn't have drawn up a better week one scenario. The 49ers controlled the hell out of that game, and it was only when they stopped the aggressive pass rush that the Packers were able to move the ball late in the game.

It's just one game, but it's really hard not to let expectations get huge at this point.

[JediKooter]

It's nice to see that they are already doing Thursday night games. As someone that can't stand college football, I think this is great.

[rowech]

Yup, no way they're over .500 this year. Happens every time there's a bit of hope. Next year, with the crap schedule, they'll go 11-5 and make people think they've turned the corner again.

You guys are being way too pessimistic. They'll finish 9-7 and in the hunt for a wildcard. No Dunlap. No Kirkpatrick. No Cook. Give it time.

[cougarfreak]

Yup, no way they're over .500 this year. Happens every time there's a bit of hope. Next year, with the crap schedule, they'll go 11-5 and make people think they've turned the corner again.<br />
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You guys are being way too pessimistic. They'll finish 9-7 and in the hunt for a wildcard. No Dunlap. No Kirkpatrick. No Cook. Give it time.
I disagree. With the caliber of QB that they play, I'm not looking for more than 6 wins. Their DB and LB have to get a hell of a lot better to win more than that.

[Butter]

I thought the O-line was good. Didn't have like 6 drive-killing false start penalties like usual.

[stevew]

For all of the Manning love, the balls he threw did not look as sharp as normal. Those wobbly throws will get pick 6'd when he faces a team with some ball hawk corners. The Steelers have never had those type of corners before.

[whomario]

For all of the Manning love, the balls he threw did not look as sharp as normal. Those wobbly throws will get pick 6'd when he faces a team with some ball hawk corners. The Steelers have never had those type of corners before.

I was wondering about that as well and for a while just chalked it up as "naw, i´m propably just seeing that because of all the talk about that injury affecting arm strength, not because it´s actually happening", but there really were a number of them throughout the game.

Even so, it was just damn impressive to see him manage that offense.

[johnnyshaka]

For all of the Manning love, the balls he threw did not look as sharp as normal. Those wobbly throws will get pick 6'd when he faces a team with some ball hawk corners. The Steelers have never had those type of corners before.

He's always thrown a wobbly, ugly looking ball...his brother is no different.

[JediKooter]

Tebow has a brother?

[Sun Tzu]

Tebow has a brother?

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/565111594/jesus.jpg

[JediKooter]

Nice!

[BishopMVP]

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[stevew]

We should do a new thread every week. These become impossible to search.

[spleen1015]

Fine. Have your weekly threads! Ruin my chance to be the starter of the longest thread in FOFC history!

[Passacaglia]

I thought Boyz II Men would be fans of the Detroit Eagles.

[Chief Rum]

I thought Boyz II Men would be fans of the Detroit Eagles.

No, they're from Philly, aren't they?

[stevew]

back again.

[Passacaglia]

No, they're from Philly, aren't they?

Well, Motown Philly. So...Detroit Eagles...get it?

[albionmoonlight]

My random guesses/thoughts on OVER/UNDER numbers I got from a random website:

Green Bay Packers UNDER 12 wins. HIT. 12 is such a hard number to get.

New England Patriots OVER 12 wins. PUSH. Unless you are Bill Belichick.

Houston Texans OVER 10 wins. HIT. Went pretty much like I thought it would.

Philadelphia Eagles UNDER 10 wins. HIT. Went exactly how I thought it would.

New Orleans Saints UNDER 10 wins. HIT. Turns out that head coaches do matter.

Pittsburgh Steelers UNDER 10 wins. HIT. Maybe not as good as we think they are?

Baltimore Ravens OVER 10 wins. PUSH. Very little confidence in this team.

San Francisco 49ers UNDER 10 wins. MISS. I was a hater. I should not have been a hater.

Denver Broncos UNDER 9.5 wins. MISS. Yeah, I misunderestimated Manning. But worse than that, I misunderestimated John Fox.

New York Giants OVER 9.5 wins. MISS. I probably understand this team less than any team in football.

Detroit Lions UNDER 9.5 wins. HIT. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/26656565.jpg

San Diego Chargers OVER 9 wins. MISS. This team had to have the least inspiring 7 wins of all time this season.

Atlanta Falcons UNDER 9 wins. MISS. I should not have been a hater. Also, where does Tony Gonzalez rank among all-time football players? Isn't what he's done and how long he's done it outside of typical classification metrics?

Chicago Bears OVER 8.5 wins. HIT. Lovie Smith will land somewhere and succeed.

Dallas Cowboys OVER 8.5 wins. MISS. Would have been a push but for that stupid half-point.

New York Jets UNDER 8.5 wins. HIT. Might have been the easiest play on the board.

Kansas City Chiefs OVER 8 wins. MISS. Apparently, there was a point this pre-season where we all agreed that 8 wins was a rational expectation for the Kansas City Chiefs. Except for me. I thought that was too low.

Cincinnati Bengals OVER 7.5 wins. HIT. Maybe the most underrated team in the league right now.

Carolina Panthers UNDER 7.5 wins. HIT. Gotta love the half-point.

Miami Dolphins UNDER 7.5 wins. HIT. Future looking bright in Miami. I've always liked the Dolphins, so I hope that they can build on this season.

Tennessee Titans UNDER 7 wins. HIT. My crazy offseason speculation. Tennessee decides to part ways with CJ2K. The Pats pick him up for cheap and turn him into the most dangerous 15-touches-per-game weapon in the league.

Buffalo Bills OVER 7 wins. MISS. Who knew that Fitzgerald was a bad QB? I had the Bills challenging the Pats the season. I know much less about football that I thought I did.

Seattle Seahawks OVER 7 wins. HIT. My notes on this pick were "people seem to love the new QB."

Oakland Raiders OVER 7 wins. MISS. Worth repeating: I know much less about football than I thought I did.

Arizona Cardinals UNDER 7 wins. HIT. What a strange season.

Washington Redskins UNDER 6.5 wins. MISS. RGIII is so awesome, I don't even mind being wrong here.

St. Louis Rams OVER 6 wins. HIT. How would we feel about Steven Jackson if he played for the Pats or Packers or Steelers? Criminally underrated player.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers OVER 6 wins. HIT. I was right about this. But, man, that does not feel like a seven win team.

Minnesota Vikings UNDER 6 wins. MISS. AP made me miss this all by himself.

Cleveland Browns UNDER 5.5 wins. HIT. What will the new management do with Weeden?

Indianapolis Colts OVER 5.5 wins. HIT. Good for them.

Jacksonville Jaguars UNDER 5.5 wins. HIT. What to do with this team?

Total Record: 19-11-2. I benefited by missing some of my picks by a lot, but by getting most of the close ones. And, of course, by not having actual money on the line that would have caused me to over-think these and mess up most of them.

[gstelmack]

On Denver, I think the key here was in Peyton Manning, John Fox got his offensive coordinator, which let him concentrate on the defense he's good at.

[MizzouRah]

Sorry if this was posted already..

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