2013 College Football Offseason thread [Archive] - Page 2

MacroGuru

07-10-2013, 02:45 PM

So Dr. Chris Hill at the University of Utah let it slip that they have resumed the Rivalry game with BYU and extended it 3 yrs. Yes there will be a hiatus still but after the 2 yr hiatus it is back on for a total of 5 yrs now. He also let it slip that BYU/Stanford are finalizing a 2 for 1 deal.

There are Cougar fans that are in melt down mode as we shouldn't be schedule 2 for 1's with anyone.....

Me personally, I know we can't demand 1 for 1's yet. The mantra of just win is major for this.

I look at our schedules over the next few seasons and combine that with our additional schedules, we will have some great games in Provo and on the road.

Mizzou B-ball fan

07-16-2013, 09:04 AM

SEC Media Days start today. Coverage on ESPNU this afternoon.

Mizzou B-ball fan

07-16-2013, 09:27 AM

dola

Looks like Fox Sports is putting together their college football cast for the new network. Erin Andrews, Clay Travis and Eddie George thus far with three more still to come.....

OKTC Joining Fox Sports College Football Television Coverage : Outkick The Coverage (http://outkickthecoverage.com/oktc-joining-fox-sports-college-football-television-coverage.php)

Mizzou B-ball fan

07-17-2013, 08:55 AM

Slive takes the NCAA to task on some of its issues.

Slive urges NCAA to resolve player issues : Sports (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/slive-urges-ncaa-to-resolve-player-issues/article_e7ba8ba1-69a4-5869-bbc0-97bf6a06ef5b.html)

Matthean

07-17-2013, 09:30 AM

Football season hasn't started and I'm already wondering if I'm sick of hearing about Manziel.

Mizzou B-ball fan

07-17-2013, 10:28 AM

Love the honestly of Spurrier. His observation of ND is spot-on.

Steve Spurrier for SEC commissioner! All in favor? Aye! (Scarbinsky) | al.com (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/07/steve_spurrier_for_sec_commiss.html)

dawgfan

07-17-2013, 01:25 PM

The new Husky Stadium is nearing completion:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1072268_568610843197388_552894526_o.jpg

Can't wait for August 31st!

MrBug708

07-17-2013, 01:31 PM

Dawgfan, why didn't the just destroy the last stand and do a "complete rebuild" instead of "reconstruction"

dawgfan

07-17-2013, 01:37 PM

From a seismic standards perspective (as well as other usability regulations), it wasn't required, so in order to keep costs lower they opted to let the old North upper deck remain. While they are starting to show their age a bit (they were built in 1987), they were in much better shape than the South upper deck (which was built in 1950).

The original plan was limited to rebuilding just the lower bowl and leaving both upper decks intact, but it quickly became apparent that the South upper deck had to be replaced too.

Replacing the North upper deck would be part of any significant future renovations.

MrBug708

07-18-2013, 12:26 PM

Top 50 draft list for next year from one man

Draft 365 Rankings | NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft365/rankings)

Matthean

07-18-2013, 12:43 PM

I'm not sure why true sophomores are listed.

Logan

07-18-2013, 01:02 PM

I'm not sure why true sophomores are listed.

It's not a draft list, although he does refer to GMs preparing for the draft. Simple list of his 50 most talented college football players.

Jeremiah is great.

Matthean

07-18-2013, 03:06 PM

So like 40% of that list should be 'Bama players. :lol:

dawgfan

07-18-2013, 03:50 PM

Top 50 draft list for next year from one man

Draft 365 Rankings | NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft365/rankings)
Interesting that he's got Lyerla ranked above ASJ. I would agree that Lyerla is the better athlete, but I think ASJ will be more productive in the NFL (he's already quite a bit more productive in college, though less versatile).

I suppose an NFL team could be as creative with him as Oregon is, which would increase his value. ASJ is a classic TE - you're going to line him up to block and to run routes. Lyerla offers the intrigue of playing both a classic TE role as well as a more versatile H-Back/FB type of role.

Still, if ASJ can beat his nagging leg injury issues, I see him as a guy that can put up big-time receiving numbers, and I'm less convinced Lyerla is capable of matching him.

Matthean

07-22-2013, 03:27 PM

Oops.

Ohio State Buckeyes suspend RB Carlos Hyde - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9499059/ohio-state-buckeyes-suspend-rb-carlos-hyde)

Logan

07-23-2013, 07:32 AM

Matthean

07-23-2013, 09:44 AM

Awesome. Hopefully something both OSU and UM fans can get behind.

Beat Michigan: A young Ohio State fan names his brain tumor after UM - Land-Grant Holy Land (http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2013/7/8/4505710/beat-michigan-a-young-ohio-state-fan-named-his-brain-tumor-after-um)

Hoke game the kid game tickets for the Michigan/OSU game.

CU Tiger

07-23-2013, 07:45 PM

Dashcam Video of Antonio Morrison Arrest for Barking at a Police Dog is as Stupid as You’d Imagine | The Big Lead (http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/07/22/dashcam-video-of-antonio-morrison-arrest-for-barking-at-a-police-dog-is-as-stupid-as-youd-imagine/)

You know I'm not usually one to defend stupid behavior but cop seems a bit over the line.
I'll be shocked if those charges stick, especially if he simply joking said woof woof.

Heck this weekend I walked by and scratched a police dogs ear and had a 15 minute convo with the officer.

Also what about a littering charge against the officer for throwing that bottle on the ground.

BYU 14

07-23-2013, 07:49 PM

Hoke game the kid game tickets for the Michigan/OSU game.

That's awesome, well done Brady!

Logan

07-24-2013, 07:46 AM

You know I'm not usually one to defend stupid behavior but cop seems a bit over the line.
I'll be shocked if those charges stick, especially if he simply joking said woof woof.

Heck this weekend I walked by and scratched a police dogs ear and had a 15 minute convo with the officer.

Also what about a littering charge against the officer for throwing that bottle on the ground.

I agree with you. There's already some reports that the charge will be dropped.

JPhillips

07-24-2013, 02:38 PM

I understand what Mack Brown is getting at, but saying his players can't afford to eat is bullshit. They all have free meals.

Eaglesfan27

07-24-2013, 03:00 PM

I understand what Mack Brown is getting at, but saying his players can't afford to eat is bullshit. They all have free meals.

There are limits on what they can be fed during the off-season. There are a lot of inane rules about feeding athletes.

MrBug708

07-25-2013, 09:26 AM

There are limits on what they can be fed during the off-season. There are a lot of inane rules about feeding athletes.

They gotta eat what every other college kid can eat. They do get some things that the normal students might not have access to on certain days.

Atocep

07-26-2013, 02:55 PM

Rushel Shell, who left Pitt for UCLA, decided not to attend UCLA and tried to go back to Pitt only to be turned down, now plans to enroll at WVU.

Incredibly talented kid. I hope things work out, but it's hard to count on him for anything at this point.

MrBug708

07-26-2013, 03:45 PM

He decided not to attend UCLA like I decided not to sleep with Kate Upton

Poli

07-27-2013, 06:56 AM

Your wife appreciates that decision. :)

MrBug708

07-27-2013, 10:08 AM

Mizzou B-ball fan

07-28-2013, 10:23 AM

Izulde

07-28-2013, 10:43 AM

Getting kicked out of a fraternity party is a total non-story. I've kicked people out of house parties before and it's no big deal.

Mizzou B-ball fan

07-28-2013, 10:53 AM

Getting kicked out of a fraternity party is a total non-story. I've kicked people out of house parties before and it's no big deal.

If it was the only thing that had happened this offseason, no big deal. But he's reaching TMZ-levels at this point.

molson

07-28-2013, 10:59 AM

If it was the only thing that had happened this offseason, no big deal. But he's reaching TMZ-levels at this point.

Ya, he overslept once.

Wake me up when someone finds a dead hooker in his car. Otherwise, he sounds like he acts like a college kid who happens to have his every move reported in the media for some reason.

CU Tiger

07-28-2013, 11:14 AM

Ya, he overslept once.

Wake me up when someone finds a dead hooker in his car. Otherwise, he sounds like he acts like a college kid who happens to have his every move reported in the media for some reason.
Overslept.....or as dropped off by an escort at 4:30 in the morning drunk and with his clothes covered in puke....errrr. Uhhhh allegedly.

And btw when you win the Heisman and want to be paid 8-9 figures, you don't get to act like any other college kid, or if you do you will get paid like every ther college kid.

BYU 14

07-28-2013, 12:07 PM

Overslept.....or as dropped off by an escort at 4:30 in the morning drunk and with his clothes covered in puke....errrr. Uhhhh allegedly.

And btw when you win the Heisman and want to be paid 8-9 figures, you don't get to act like any other college kid, or if you do you will get paid like every ther college kid.

This, he loves the limelight and doesn't seem to look beyond today, which is a gamble considering what he stands to make/lose. I would say he acts a little more immaturely than the average College Kid and this is a history that goes back to before we even knew about Johnny Football.

The he is young excuse just doesn't cut it after about the 5th or 6th time.

molson

07-28-2013, 12:25 PM

I don't know, you guys really think prior Heisman trophy winners and big-shot college football athletes were all choir boys? I think it's only the reporting that's changed.

Matthean

07-28-2013, 12:58 PM

I don't know, you guys really think prior Heisman trophy winners and big-shot college football athletes were all choir boys? I think it's only the reporting that's changed.

It is tough to get reported on when you aren't doing anything worth being reported about. He doesn't have to be a choir boy, but he is hurting his NFL stock as more reports come out.

molson

07-28-2013, 01:08 PM

It is tough to get reported on when you aren't doing anything worth being reported about. He doesn't have to be a choir boy, but he is hurting his NFL stock as more reports come out.

i must be missing something - it's all been just drunk college kid stuff, hasn't it? Stuff which has never been front page news until now. I'd bet 90% of college football players drink, and around that same number have drank too much on occasion.

I'm not sure why getting kicked out of a frat party is front page news either, especially since we have no idea why it happened - it sounds like they may not have liked his Tebow jersey. I don't think the Texas frats are kicking people out for drinking.

JonInMiddleGA

07-28-2013, 01:12 PM

I don't think the Texas frats are kicking people out for drinking.

Best I can tell, there aren't many too concerned with that anywhere.

Julio Riddols

07-28-2013, 01:34 PM

Interesting that he's got Lyerla ranked above ASJ. I would agree that Lyerla is the better athlete, but I think ASJ will be more productive in the NFL (he's already quite a bit more productive in college, though less versatile).

I suppose an NFL team could be as creative with him as Oregon is, which would increase his value. ASJ is a classic TE - you're going to line him up to block and to run routes. Lyerla offers the intrigue of playing both a classic TE role as well as a more versatile H-Back/FB type of role.

Still, if ASJ can beat his nagging leg injury issues, I see him as a guy that can put up big-time receiving numbers, and I'm less convinced Lyerla is capable of matching him.

Watching Lyerla when he got his chances last year, it was scary how athletically gifted he is. It seemed like the only thing stopping him from taking over games every week was just how they used him.

BishopMVP

07-28-2013, 02:01 PM

Really seems like this kid isn't handling the spotlight very well. I don't see any way he plays as well this year under all the scrutiny and given how his offseason has gone thus far.

Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M Aggies kicked out of University of Texas fraternity party, report says - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9515908/johnny-manziel-texas-aggies-kicked-university-texas-fraternity-party-report-says)I too think Manziel doesn't play as well this year, but I'd think that's more due to natural regression and the loss of Luke Joeckel (+ Michael/Swope). I'm sure ESPN and the old guard will be eager to pin it on his offseason drinking, even though there's plenty of evidence he was drinking and fighting people in the offseason before he won the Heisman (and almost certainly back when he was being named HS PoY in Texas.) I certainly don't think he'll buckle under any media pressure, because it's pretty clear he doesn't give a shit about how the media perceives him.

Matthean

07-28-2013, 03:58 PM

i must be missing something - it's all been just drunk college kid stuff, hasn't it? Stuff which has never been front page news until now. I'd bet 90% of college football players drink, and around that same number have drank too much on occasion.

I'm not sure why getting kicked out of a frat party is front page news either, especially since we have no idea why it happened - it sounds like they may not have liked his Tebow jersey. I don't think the Texas frats are kicking people out for drinking.

I'm guessing it might be a case of not wanting an A&M player at a Texas party. It would be similar for a Michigan or OSU player to visit a party at the other's school and expect people to be cool with it. He just has to show some common sense in this situation, and he didn't.

MrBug708

07-28-2013, 06:20 PM

USC players all hang in Westwood for obvious reasons. That's a different vibe since everyone grew up around each other

CU Tiger

07-28-2013, 06:54 PM

I don't know, you guys really think prior Heisman trophy winners and big-shot college football athletes were all choir boys? I think it's only the reporting that's changed.

Oh, for sure.
The difference is Eddie George, Reggie bush, et al weren't flying around the country to party in rival cities...

If you don't see the difference , well......

BishopMVP

07-29-2013, 08:31 PM

Pretty sure Reggie Bush was partying in the UCLA part of town more than once.

Anyone heard where Michael Dyer is going? I think he can play this fall.

molson

07-29-2013, 08:42 PM

Oh, for sure.
The difference is Eddie George, Reggie bush, et al weren't flying around the country to party in rival cities...

If you don't see the difference , well......

So it's really more about superfandom than true "character" concerns. That's not going to translate as an issue at the next level. He'll be allowed to go out in Manhattan even if he plays for the Buffalo Bills.

CU Tiger

07-29-2013, 10:06 PM

Wow...
OK.

Then again Colin Kap wore a Fins hat so maybe it doesnt matter.

I think the lack of judgement is the issue...that and the lack of preperation.

JonInMiddleGA

07-29-2013, 10:45 PM

MacroGuru

07-30-2013, 07:08 AM

Word out is that University of Utah lost 3 players today in a car accident. Not 100% sure of details, trying to find them out and I know a couple of the players are 3* talented kids and Polynesian.

Texas A&M player Polo Manukainiu was also one that passed in the accident.

I know the Polynesian community back in Utah is pretty shook up about it.

Edit: Waited for confirmation, 5 people in the accident, 3 killed. Gaius Vaenuku, was one of the 3 and is the 3* athlete. Salesi Uhatafe is in critical condition.

Prayers go out to their families...

Kodos

07-30-2013, 07:39 AM

Lathum

07-30-2013, 07:42 AM

sad

CU Tiger

07-30-2013, 08:14 AM

Questions that I haven't seen answered (or mentioned) anywhere.

Is Manziel a frat member at A&M?

How did he happen to pick that first frat party? Did he have a friend(s) at UT-A that had something to do with his choice of attendance? Or did he literally just wander around campus until he spotted a keg(s)?

Jon I'm fairly certain thaat active NCAA athletes are prohibited from joining frats/sors.

Actually Ill ask about this in more detail. I know it was forbidden when I played, not that youd have time anyway, and it is not allowed currently at Clemson, but come to think of it I am not 100% thats not a team rule

CU Tiger

07-30-2013, 08:28 AM

SO scratch that.
perfectly legal...but strongly advised against by compliance.

MacroGuru

07-30-2013, 08:31 AM

SO scratch that.
perfectly legal...but strongly advised against by compliance.

I was gonna say, I knew Sanchez was in a frat at USC...

HomerSimpson98

07-30-2013, 09:12 AM

Johnny is not in a frat. He was in Austin the past weekend supposedly hanging out with buddy Malcolm Brown, a RB for the Dark Side, and others. Apparently, everyone was having a grand old time until some of the frat daddies got a little irritated with all the attention JFF was getting. Nothing big, nothing bad, and nothing newsworthy. He still doesn't understand that every move he makes is magnified I guess. It will be great when his ass is locked up for fall ball :)

Also, sad and horrible news out of Utah/New Mexico. Way too young :(

JonInMiddleGA

07-30-2013, 09:50 AM

SO scratch that.
perfectly legal...but strongly advised against by compliance.

FWIW, my initial guess was that it wasn't allowed but my wife remembered that several players were in fraternities back in her days at UT Knoxville.

That's what led to me wondering if JF might be as well.

molson

07-30-2013, 10:03 AM

Wow...
OK.

Then again Colin Kap wore a Fins hat so maybe it doesnt matter.

I think the lack of judgement is the issue...that and the lack of preperation.

I just don't think it's going to derail his NFL career or result him getting "paid like other college kids" instead of "8 or 9 figures". The NFL couldn't give two shits about college football rivalry ethics. I'm sure Manning, Marino, and Favre all had their wild drunken college exploits as well, college life was was just a little more self-contained and free from media scrutiny back then. I think it's just off-putting for a lot of people when a guy reaches this level of celebrity status when he's still in school. Mark Sanchez got close to that level, but I think L.A. just maybe has a better celebrity infrastructure of keeping some things away from the public eye. Neither College Station or Manziel has that level of sophistication.

Logan

07-30-2013, 10:50 AM

To be fair, Marino fell in the draft on rumors of drug use right?

I think the league learned their lesson on that one.

Chief Rum

07-30-2013, 12:23 PM

I just don't think it's going to derail his NFL career or result him getting "paid like other college kids" instead of "8 or 9 figures". The NFL couldn't give two shits about college football rivalry ethics. I'm sure Manning, Marino, and Favre all had their wild drunken college exploits as well, college life was was just a little more self-contained and free from media scrutiny back then. I think it's just off-putting for a lot of people when a guy reaches this level of celebrity status when he's still in school. Mark Sanchez got close to that level, but I think L.A. just maybe has a better celebrity infrastructure of keeping some things away from the public eye. Neither College Station or Manziel has that level of sophistication.

Actually, stuff has a way of getting out in LA, not staying in. This ain't a town for secrets.

I don't think Sanchez stayed at USC long enough to get the kind of attention anywhere near what Manziel is seeing. Closest parallel locally was Leinart and Bush in the glory days around 2005--and they got a ton of attention for it. For whatever reason, they were better at keeping the actual partying aout of the media and just keeping it to "Leinart showed up at the Grammy's" kinds of stories.

Leinart, of course, got bit by this when he went to Phoenix and actually got some money, since he then had both money and connections.

MacroGuru

07-30-2013, 12:31 PM

I don't think Sanchez stayed at USC long enough to get the kind of attention anywhere near what Manziel is seeing. Closest parallel locally was Leinart and Bush in the glory days around 2005--and they got a ton of attention for it. For whatever reason, they were better at keeping the actual partying aout of the media and just keeping it to "Leinart showed up at the Grammy's" kinds of stories.

Sanchez and his keepers kept stuff buried, don't ask me how, but they did.

Mizzou B-ball fan

07-30-2013, 01:10 PM

Manziel family and friends talk about concerns with his behavior and how they feel it may derail his career.....

Heisman winner Johnny Manziel's celebrity could derail the Texas Aggies season - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9521439/heisman-winner-johnny-manziel-celebrity-derail-texas-aggies-season-espn-magazine)

finketr

07-30-2013, 01:22 PM

Izulde

07-30-2013, 01:24 PM

SO scratch that.
perfectly legal...but strongly advised against by compliance.

Yeah I was going to say, I also remember quite a few college athletes joining fraternities/sororities.

dawgfan

07-30-2013, 01:32 PM

I'm sure Manning, Marino, and Favre all had their wild drunken college exploits as well, college life was was just a little more self-contained and free from media scrutiny back then.
Never say never, but having met both Peyton and Archie, I'd be a little surprised if Peyton had a whole lot of wild drunken exploits in college.

JonInMiddleGA

07-30-2013, 01:51 PM

Speaking of the Mannings, I did my wife a disservice up the thread. Her frame of reference was actually Eli Manning being in a fraternity, not the Willie Gault-era "back in the day" I alluded to.

My bad.

MrBug708

07-30-2013, 07:24 PM

Vanderdoes cleared!

Matthean

07-30-2013, 09:22 PM

Ohio State suspends Carlos Hyde for at least first 3 games « Big Ten Network (http://btn.com/2013/07/30/ohio-state-suspends-carlos-hyde-for-at-least-first-3-games/)

Brownkeg8

07-31-2013, 02:34 PM

Pretty sure Reggie Bush was partying in the UCLA part of town more than once.

Anyone heard where Michael Dyer is going? I think he can play this fall.

That last I heard he was trying to get into Arkansas, he wants to stay close to the people that helped him at Arkansas Baptist. Yes, he would be eligible to play

Brownkeg8

07-31-2013, 02:35 PM

That last I heard he was trying to get into Arkansas, he wants to stay close to the people that helped him at Arkansas Baptist. Yes, he would be eligible to play

After I posted this see he applied for enrollment at Louisville and Bridgewater stated they the team would accept him.

Bridgewater on Michael Dyer: Team would 'take him in and welcome him' (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/07/29/michael-dyer-louisville-teddy-bridgewater-charlie-strong/2596431/)

mckerney

07-31-2013, 04:30 PM

Never say never, but having met both Peyton and Archie, I'd be a little surprised if Peyton had a whole lot of wild drunken exploits in college.

Peyton was too busy staying in for a quiet night of sexual harassment for any wild drunken exploits.

Grammaticus

08-01-2013, 09:27 AM

Dr. Sak

08-01-2013, 09:31 AM

To be fair, Marino fell in the draft on rumors of drug use right?

I think the league learned their lesson on that one.

Yeah his nickname at the time around here was Snowman Dan

molson

08-01-2013, 09:34 AM

Never say never, but having met both Peyton and Archie, I'd be a little surprised if Peyton had a whole lot of wild drunken exploits in college.

Drinking in college and having a good time (or mooning female trainers and forcing your school to pay out a settlement) is not evil, nor is it mutually exclusive with being nice to people.

dawgfan

08-01-2013, 01:23 PM

Drinking in college and having a good time (or mooning female trainers and forcing your school to pay out a settlement) is not evil, nor is it mutually exclusive with being nice to people.
Didn't say they were.

molson

08-01-2013, 01:33 PM

Didn't say they were.

Then what about meeting Archie and Peyton convinces you that they didn't have their own wild booze-fueled adventures in college?

Edit: Didn't we all go to college with plenty of people who went a little nuts on occasion but somehow managed to be productive adults? And the athlete parties always had the reputation of being crazier than anything we were doing.

dawgfan

08-01-2013, 02:19 PM

Then what about meeting Archie and Peyton convinces you that they didn't have their own wild booze-fueled adventures in college?

Edit: Didn't we all go to college with plenty of people who went a little nuts on occasion but somehow managed to be productive adults? And the athlete parties always had the reputation of being crazier than anything we were doing.
From meeting them, talking with them and reading their book, neither one of them seemed like they had the wild drunken fun aspect to their personalities, but I agree that's not something you can always assess in limited contact with them.

And I said I'd be "...a little surpised..." and not "...I'm convinced they didn't..."

Brownkeg8

08-02-2013, 12:20 AM

Pretty sure Reggie Bush was partying in the UCLA part of town more than once.

Anyone heard where Michael Dyer is going? I think he can play this fall.

Dyer reportedly headed to Louisville

Dyer reportedly headed to UofL (http://louisville.247sports.com/Article/Dyer-reportedly-headed-to-UofL-141178)

Kodos

08-02-2013, 09:18 AM

2013 Conference Predictions - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/22930702/conference-predictions)

HomerSimpson98

08-02-2013, 11:25 AM

Dyer reportedly headed to Louisville

Dyer reportedly headed to UofL (http://louisville.247sports.com/Article/Dyer-reportedly-headed-to-UofL-141178)

Surprised that Strong would allow a potential distraction like Dyer (albeit a very talented one) on a team poised for a potential undefeated run. Getting booted from Arkie State should be all you need to say "thanks but no thanks". Arkansas Baptist College?

BishopMVP

08-02-2013, 11:55 AM

Surprised that Strong would allow a potential distraction like Dyer (albeit a very talented one) on a team poised for a potential undefeated run. Getting booted from Arkie State should be all you need to say "thanks but no thanks". Arkansas Baptist College?Idk. I saw the story a couple days ago and it made a couple good points. He's never been arrested, the gun he keeps getting linked to was legally registered, and he does seem to have turned a corner at Arkansas Baptist (and by choosing Arkansas Baptist over just going some place he could play football.)

Late edit to make clear I don't think he's a choir boy, but I don't think he's any large degree worse than most BCS-level players. This isn't some Lawrence Phillips situation where he's been arrested and charged with beating a woman or anything and schools are just trotting out the "rehabilitated image" when we all know its a sham.

CU Tiger

08-02-2013, 08:08 PM

Brownkeg8

08-02-2013, 10:19 PM

HomerSimpson98

08-02-2013, 10:21 PM

Makes me wonder how much you've followed Strong, or if you've just listened to the hype.

Please elaborate. When my Aggies finally came to their senses and canned Sherman, Strong and Sumlin were my 1a and 1b choices. Both seemed to be 2 intelligent coaches who could relate to the kids and get the most out of them. When digging a little deeper, Charlie said some things that made me scratch my head, but nothing that threw up the red flags. Are low-character guys the norm for him? I really like what he did when he fixed the mess that Kragthorpe left behind (player revolts, nonperformance, etc).

Buccaneer

08-03-2013, 01:54 PM

Izulde

08-03-2013, 02:19 PM

I guess I don't follow what's happening very well at all

Formation of Division 4 is the next game-changer in college football - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/22988242/college-football-postseason-formats-evolve-but-catalyst-remains-same)

The article, to me, was confusing. There is a Division 1, 2 and 3 and they are proposing a Division of non-Big 5 conferences? Doesn't Division 4 imply something lower than Division 3?

My guess is it'll end up being something other than Division 4 if and when this does actually occur. For now, it's a convenient shorthand like the Catholic 7 for the then-Big East breakaway schools.

This is also a way for the NCAA to placate the revenue generators and keep them in the organizational structure, rather than breaking away from the NCAA and killing it.

britrock88

08-03-2013, 04:29 PM

Division 0 for the big conferences?

BillJasper

08-03-2013, 04:54 PM

Division $ for the big conferences?

Fixed it!:D

Buccaneer

08-03-2013, 06:21 PM

My guess is it'll end up being something other than Division 4 if and when this does actually occur. For now, it's a convenient shorthand like the Catholic 7 for the then-Big East breakaway schools.

This is also a way for the NCAA to placate the revenue generators and keep them in the organizational structure, rather than breaking away from the NCAA and killing it.

Thank you.

JPhillips

08-03-2013, 08:04 PM

I still don't see how that works with Title 9 and the fact that many of the schools in a new division would still be taking millions from student fees/tuition before they start paying players.

Izulde

08-03-2013, 09:43 PM

I still don't see how that works with Title 9 and the fact that many of the schools in a new division would still be taking millions from student fees/tuition before they start paying players.

Title IX is going to be the big stumbling block to all of this in general (paying players) I think. But this isn't designed to worry about that IMO. This is a move (if it comes to fruition) to make sure the highest revenue schools get as much money as possible so they don't bolt the NCAA and cause the death of the organization.

JonInMiddleGA

08-03-2013, 11:25 PM

Georgia Tech has picked a new radio pbp guy. Butler University's Brandon Gaudin, all 29 years old of him.

I must admit that he does kinda remind me of Wes Durham, hopefully that's a good sign for the future.

CU Tiger

08-04-2013, 02:59 PM

Please elaborate. When my Aggies finally came to their senses and canned Sherman, Strong and Sumlin were my 1a and 1b choices. Both seemed to be 2 intelligent coaches who could relate to the kids and get the most out of them. When digging a little deeper, Charlie said some things that made me scratch my head, but nothing that threw up the red flags. Are low-character guys the norm for him? I really like what he did when he fixed the mess that Kragthorpe left behind (player revolts, nonperformance, etc).

I'm going to say this as fairly as I can and try very hard to hide my personal bias.

Charlie has never shyed away from taking on a morality project or troubled kid.
Your personal opinion will likely determine whether that's because he is a confident strong willed coach who thinks he can improve troubled young lives, or conversely, doesn't care who they kill Monday thru Friday as long as they kill the opponent on Saturday.

Obviously I fall in the second camp.

MrBug708

08-04-2013, 04:43 PM

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9537999/otl-ncaa-investigating-johnny-manziel-profiting-autographs

Oops.

dawgfan

08-04-2013, 05:22 PM

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9537999/otl-ncaa-investigating-johnny-manziel-profiting-autographs

Oops.
It boggles the mind that he'd be so stupid as to take money for autographs. That isn't exactly some arcane rule, which leads to the following conclusions:

A) The story is patently false
B) The story is true, but it's an arrangement where he won't get paid until after he turns pro
C) The story is completely true, and Manziel (and his advisers) are monumentally stupid
D) The story is completely true, and for whatever reason he/they want him to be declared ineligible (towards what endgame I have no idea)

MrBug708

08-04-2013, 05:24 PM

If he's deemed ineligible, this might slow Sumlin's rush to the NFL

Matthean

08-04-2013, 06:11 PM

Even if he misses part of the season, 'Bama is game 3.

dawgfan

08-04-2013, 06:21 PM

Also - isn't his family quite wealthy? Why would he feel the need to try and get some cash now? The story just doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

Eaglesfan27

08-04-2013, 06:29 PM

Also - isn't his family quite wealthy? Why would he feel the need to try and get some cash now? The story just doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

Hubris. He thinks he is untouchable. He is in the SEC, so he is probably right.

MrBug708

08-04-2013, 06:31 PM

Also - isn't his family quite wealthy? Why would he feel the need to try and get some cash now? The story just doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

Oil money IIRC

Matthean

08-04-2013, 06:37 PM

Also - isn't his family quite wealthy? Why would he feel the need to try and get some cash now? The story just doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

As the ESPN reporter who broke it was talking about, you see NFL players who make $15 million a year getting extra cash for signatures.

dawgfan

08-04-2013, 07:45 PM

As the ESPN reporter who broke it was talking about, you see NFL players who make $15 million a year getting extra cash for signatures.
Sure, but it's just one more component that doesn't make a whole lot of sense about this allegation.

Matthean

08-04-2013, 08:06 PM

Sure, but it's just one more component that doesn't make a whole lot of sense about this allegation.

What I got from the story was the reporter literally saw the signed items officially marked and numbered in the 900s. He said it would be one thing if there were a few of them, not numbered, or low numbered but none of that happened.

JonInMiddleGA

08-04-2013, 08:53 PM

Honestly, reading the story, I think he may have just fucked up big time.

cartman

08-04-2013, 09:29 PM

But molson assured us that this is just an overzealous press hounding him, and he's just a normal college student doing normal college student things.

JonInMiddleGA

08-04-2013, 09:43 PM

But molson assured us that this is just an overzealous press hounding him, and he's just a normal college student doing normal college student things.

If you read back, I've been on that same train myself.

This one though ... well, it sounds just dumb enough to be true.

dawgfan

08-04-2013, 09:49 PM

That's just it - it's so incredibly stupid that it's hard to believe. I guess maybe there's an angle I'm just not seeing...

molson

08-04-2013, 10:14 PM

But molson assured us that this is just an overzealous press hounding him, and he's just a normal college student doing normal college student things.

I said that I didn't think that partying in college is huge deal, or that going to a party in ENEMY TERRITORY!! is a sin worthy of NFL teams taking a pass on him. So I don't know what your point is when it comes to whatever this autograph thing is. I'm sorry to have offended you so much that you're still on this, but sorry, I don't give a shit that a guy drinks a lot and is crazy in college. Of course, he's not on some team that plays against the team I'm some wacky superfan of, so I maybe just don't have the right perspective.

Edit: I do love that the NCAA tracks ebay for athlete autographs, and that "Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000." Amateur athletics.

molson

08-04-2013, 10:27 PM

Title IX is going to be the big stumbling block to all of this in general (paying players) I think.

I'm not so sure about that just because of how vaguely Title IX is written and that this has never come up. I'm sure there's arguments that could be made either way, and that a settlement could probably be reached. But if it's so simple that Title IX prevents schools from paying players, I'm surprised nobody's ever sued colleges for paying star players, which they do. There's enough dirt out there, and a civil plaintiff might have more power to dig up dirt in the discovery process than the NCAA would as a voluntary investigative body.

Of course, on the other hand, if we're just talking about opening things up for independent boosters using their own money, or for players having the freedom to make their own deals with video game companies (or autograph/memorabilia vendors), then Title IX maybe would probably have no application.

cartman

08-04-2013, 10:37 PM

I said that I didn't think that partying in college is huge deal, or that going to a party in ENEMY TERRITORY!! is a sin worthy of NFL teams taking a pass on him. So I don't know what your point is when it comes to whatever this autograph thing is. I'm sorry to have offended you so much that you're still on this, but sorry, I don't give a shit that a guy drinks a lot and is crazy in college. Of course, he's not on some team that plays against the team I'm some wacky superfan of, so I maybe just don't have the right perspective.

Edit: I do love that the NCAA tracks ebay for athlete autographs, and that "Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000." Amateur athletics.

Taken as a series of isolated events, sure they don't seem like a big deal. But when you step back and take look at the whole picture, a lot of people were waiting for the other shoe to drop, and this autograph signing deal sure looks like a Shaq-sized shoe.

Izulde

08-04-2013, 10:37 PM

I'm not so sure about that just because of how vaguely Title IX is written and that this has never come up. I'm sure there's arguments that could be made either way, and that a settlement could probably be reached. But if it's so simple that Title IX prevents schools from paying players, I'm surprised nobody's ever sued colleges for paying star players, which they do. There's enough dirt out there, and a civil plaintiff might have more power to dig up dirt in the discovery process than the NCAA would as a voluntary investigative body.

Of course, on the other hand, if we're just talking about opening things up for independent boosters using their own money, or for players having the freedom to make their own deals with video game companies (or autograph/memorabilia vendors), then Title IX maybe would probably have no application.

I think the key factor to this is, as you suggest, what ultimately O'Bannon and others turns into - if it's paying players directly from university funds, then Title IX comes into play.

If it's players becoming independent individual actors as in your last paragraph, then I don't think Title IX applies at all. I'll admit I didn't think about that last one as a possible outcome, though I could see it happening, now that I think about it, given the concerns of how direct pay-to-play would impact universities across the country.

molson

08-04-2013, 11:56 PM

Taken as a series of isolated events, sure they don't seem like a big deal. But when you step back and take look at the whole picture, a lot of people were waiting for the other shoe to drop, and this autograph signing deal sure looks like a Shaq-sized shoe.

I think it's possible to party in college without also getting caught signing a lot of autographs for money. Almost every other player in history has done it. And whatever, nobody was predicting autograph scandals last week, it was all rage over the drinking and perceived disrespect to rival teams.

cartman

08-05-2013, 12:11 AM

I think it's possible to party in college without also getting caught signing a lot of autographs for money. Almost every other player in history has done it. And whatever, nobody was predicting autograph scandals last week, it was all rage over the drinking and perceived disrespect to rival teams.

There were rumblings about something really big coming out, but they were just whispered rumors. Now it is apparent there was something to those rumors.

molson

08-05-2013, 12:17 AM

There were rumblings about something really big coming out, but they were just whispered rumors. Now it is apparent there was something to those rumors.

I didn't read any rumors here, I just responded to the proclamations that he was throwing away his career by partying, and that response is what you're attacking me on days later. I thought the whole thing was a little overboard based on what was reported, it just all sounded like irrational hate to me, coming mostly from superfans of rival teams, or fans of teams that were jealous that a QB of that stature was with a team that hadn't been a top power for a while, and some general backlash towards his fame generally. Maybe there was more insider information that everyone was basing their hate one that they just weren't sharing, I don't know. But nobody was connecting those things here in the manner you're attacking me for not recognizing.

JonInMiddleGA

08-05-2013, 12:19 AM

There were rumblings about something really big coming out, but they were just whispered rumors.

But wasn't that mostly based on his dad's comment about (paraphrasing) how badly it could all unravel?

cartman

08-05-2013, 12:22 AM

But wasn't that mostly based on his dad's comment about (paraphrasing) how badly it could all unravel?

That, along with the surprising amount of autographed and authenticated items that had been popping up on eBay over the summer.

cartman

08-05-2013, 12:25 AM

I didn't read any rumors here, I just responded to the proclamations that he was throwing away his career by partying, and that response is what you're attacking me on days later.

Attacking you on? Really?

And I didn't post those rumors here, because I don't get into that side of things like some others on here do.

molson

08-05-2013, 12:28 AM

Attacking you on? Really?

And I didn't post those rumors here, because I don't get into that side of things like some others on here do.

Its obviously something that stuck with you for whatever reason. Though I'm still trying to figure out the connection to my point about the reaction to the drinking and a story about autographs.

cartman

08-05-2013, 12:33 AM

Its obviously something that stuck with you for whatever reason. Though I'm still trying to figure out the connection to my point about the reaction to the drinking and a story about autographs.

Again, how is mentioning a post you made on the previous page of this thread somehow an unreasonable thing to remember, and how it is attacking you? Why so sensitive? I was simply making light of how you brushed off the previous incidents as being typical of a college kid. Nothing more, nothing less. And definitely not a personal attack. Geez.

molson

08-05-2013, 12:41 AM

Again, how is mentioning a post you made on the previous page of this thread somehow an unreasonable thing to remember, and how it is attacking you? Why so sensitive? I was simply making light of how you brushed off the previous incidents as being typical of a college kid. Nothing more, nothing less. And definitely not a personal attack. Geez.

I didn't say it was a personal attack. It was obtuse, but not personal. He can sign a million autographs for $10 million dollars and it won't convince me that drinking in Austin, or partying in college generally is some crazy newsworthy thing that deserves media and fan vilification. I do get annoyed at how much money people make off this kid and the degree of celebrity he has and he's vilified for drinking (and going to NBA games, and hanging out with rappers). If he signed autographs for money, that was against the rules and the 2019 Texas A&M recruiting class will probably lose a scholarship or something, but it's hard to have moral outrage over even that when you see the money and tv deals this guy and others generate. It's crazy. Maybe he's got a self-destructive streak and he wants out of college, I certainly can't blame him. Why is this report coming out now if the signings took place in January? I'm not saying he didn't sign stuff, but obviously there's a conscious effort as far as timing here, following the SI article and the stuff last week. It's a continuing storyline that people are passionately invested in, so I understand the media angle of grouping things together, but I wonder if there's an NCAA timing strategy as well as far as when stuff gets leaked. I think the NCAA and the SEC enjoy the hysteria. I think if the players are the main public villains, it's easier for the conferences for the NCAA to sign multi-billion dollar TV and licensing contracts and whine about how difficult the financial situation in amateur athletics is.

panerd

08-05-2013, 07:11 AM

If true, two games. The NCAA will do nothing to mess with A&M/Alabama.

I'm leaning towards the report not being accurate but it being added to the laundry list of things the media has a hard-on about nailing this guy on.

HomerSimpson98

08-05-2013, 09:24 AM

I may eat these words in the near future, but I agree with dawgfan. I don't see how the hell any of this crap is true. He isn't that stupid and he sure doesn't need the money. Oh, and impeccable f'ng timing on this - the day before practice starts? If I'm a conspiracy theorist, I'd be pretty busy in the next day or two.

albionmoonlight

08-05-2013, 10:10 AM

I don't know or care the truth of the story.

But, if we are speculating based on circumstances, I would think that the fact that his family has money makes it more likely that the story is true. If a guy is dirt poor, he has a real incentive to jump through every hoop and play by every stupid rule that the NCAA or the Draft Combine, or the NFL throws at him. At least until he gets that first big check. The downside risk of failure is pretty bad.

But a guy with money to fall back on might be more likely to think "Fuck it. It's my signature, and if anyone gets paid for it, it will be me. And if the NCAA catches me, so what? It's a stupid rule, and I'm not going to follow it. If I get kicked off the team, I'll just work out with personal trainers until I am able to get drafted."

A rough analogy might be how it is only guys with something to fall back on (Elway with baseball. Eil with the Manning money) who refuse to play by the rules of the draft.

Again, I have no idea what is true. And I care even less. But it would be kind of cool to see a high profile college athlete thumb his nose at the NCAA that hard.

MrBug708

08-05-2013, 10:13 AM

UCLA is doing something unconventional by going to San Diego and spending 2 1/2 days of training camp with the Navy Seals. It'll be 24 hour style training in a program designed by Mora and the Seals.

Logan

08-05-2013, 10:52 AM

cartman

08-05-2013, 10:56 AM

So now the story is that there's another broker who claimed Manziel got money for autographs...but it was his friend who asked for money from the guy AFTER he had already signed items.

He's not going to miss a snap.

That was a different signing session.

Jon

08-05-2013, 10:57 AM

I heard the story is that his friend told the broker that Manziel said he wasn't doing autographs for free anymore, not that he wanted money for stuff already signed.

And I think this was different than the Miami autograph signings.

Logan

08-05-2013, 11:01 AM

That was a different signing session.

I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting...this is where I got that from.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>ESPN reports second autograph broker said he DIDN"T pay Manziel cash for signing but claims JMs buddy later asked for $.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BFeldmanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/BFeldmanCBS/statuses/364412313220034562">August 5, 2013</a></blockquote>
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MrBug708

08-05-2013, 11:05 AM

cartman

08-05-2013, 11:27 AM

I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting...this is where I got that from.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>ESPN reports second autograph broker said he DIDN"T pay Manziel cash for signing but claims JMs buddy later asked for $.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BFeldmanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/BFeldmanCBS/statuses/364412313220034562">August 5, 2013</a></blockquote>
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That was supposedly from a signing session right before the Alabama game.

Broker says Johnny Manziel friend halted free autograph signings - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9539990/broker-says-johnny-manziel-friend-halted-free-autograph-signings)

A prominent autograph broker on eBay, based in the Southeast, said that Nate Fitch -- Johnny Manziel's friend and personal assistant -- approached him last season to let him know that Manziel would no longer be signing autographs for him without compensation, according to ESPN's Joe Schad.

The broker, who spoke to Schad under the condition of anonymity, said that Manziel signed about 50 items for him at the Texas A&M team hotel the night before the Nov. 10 Texas A&M at Alabama game. The person said that Manziel then signed about 200 more items a few days later, with the broker saying he did not compensate Manziel for either of those sessions.

JPhillips

08-05-2013, 11:39 AM

With Newtown the NCAA made it clear that as long as the athlete recieves the cash from a second party, things are cool.

Arles

08-05-2013, 02:11 PM

With Newtown the NCAA made it clear that as long as the athlete recieves the cash from a second party, things are cool.
Agreed, which I kind of enjoy. The NCAA is so corrupt and rudderless, I like to see when stuff gets thrown back in their face. Go ahead and nail some team for losing scholarships because they flew a kid home to see his dying mom, but taking money for autos is fine as long as there is a middle man.

Also, if I am Texas A&M, why am I even worrying about whether to play Johnny football? Here are the scenarios:

1. We play him and we make a BCS bowl game and earn the school and conference a ton of money. Later he gets cleared.
2. We play him and we make a BCS bowl game and earn the school and conference a ton of money. Later they decide he broke rules and took money. So, we forfeit the bowl title, some wins and lose a handful of scholarships for 2-3 seasons. We still get to cash the check from the BCS game...
3. We stupidly sit him, go 7-5 and end up at a marginal bowl game. But, hey, we avoid the 30% risk that we lose scholarships or forfeit that BCS bowl game we didn't go to... err wait.

I can't believe anyone takes ESPN seriously when these guys go "Well, A&M has a tough call on whether to play Manziel this season." Uh, no they don't. Whether he is found guilty or not, they still get to cash all their endorsement, jersey sales, National TV and BCS bowl game checks.

Logan

08-06-2013, 09:24 AM

Lathum

08-06-2013, 09:43 AM

Star tailback Jeremy Hill is back at LSU, but don't blame Les Miles - CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/23037889/star-tailback-jeremy-hill-is-back-at-lsu-but-dont-blame-les-miles)

Tells you all you need to know about the SEC and college football as a whole right there. I get Miles is a bit quirky, but that is terrible judgement on his part.

molson

08-06-2013, 09:46 AM

Star tailback Jeremy Hill is back at LSU, but don't blame Les Miles - CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/23037889/star-tailback-jeremy-hill-is-back-at-lsu-but-dont-blame-les-miles)

Now this is something worth vilifying a guy over. Except I bet he'll get a bunch of game balls and give inspirational locker room speeches about "overcoming obstacles" this season.

RomaGoth

08-06-2013, 09:53 AM

Star tailback Jeremy Hill is back at LSU, but don't blame Les Miles - CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/23037889/star-tailback-jeremy-hill-is-back-at-lsu-but-dont-blame-les-miles)

Welcome to big time college football, where winning and making money is all that matters.

Dr. Sak

08-06-2013, 10:13 AM

For those interested in reading about the new rules:

http://www.dfoa.com/attachments/article/69/2013-14_Football_Rule_Book.pdf

Tigercat

08-06-2013, 11:00 AM

Tells you all you need to know about the SEC and college football as a whole right there. I get Miles is a bit quirky, but that is terrible judgement on his part.

Keep in mind he kicked more important players (Ryan Perrilloux, Honey Badger) off the team who weren't caught doing something bad on camera, and who didn't have the shock value of crime that could be called sexual assault. In other words in instances where it was harder to justify kicking them off, and in instances where it hurt the team more.

Hill did two awful things. But two things that hundreds of athletes out there in the world will do this year. 1) Have sexual relations with a girl younger than him 2) Let alcohol make him "brave" enough to jump into a fight.

Now, the girl was only 14 and it was at school. And the he entered the fight by sucker punching a guy. Both actions are quite indefensible. But they are two actions that Joe Football at any school could easily find themselves in the middle of. As much as he was an asshole in both instances, we don't deal with Hill on a day to day basis like Miles and his teammates do. College teams are full of pricks, good guys, and guys who are a little bit of both.

I brought up Badger and Ryan P. because it shows that Miles isn't afraid to kick a guy off the team if he believes a pattern of behavior shows that dismissal is the best thing for the player and those around him. And that does not count wins and losses, otherwise Ryan Perrilloux's string of stupidity would not be nearly enough to kick him off a defending national title team in favor of a walkon backup QB from Harvard. And God knows how far you would go to keep a Heisman finalist on your team if all he is doing is testing positive for pot.

Logan

08-06-2013, 11:59 AM

So why in this case did he feel that the appropriate move was to have his players decide if Hill should stay/go? Did he do that for the Perrilloux/HB?

That sounds like something you would do if a kid walked off the practice field after being pissed he wasn't getting enough reps.

Tigercat

08-06-2013, 12:07 PM

I think Miles was just really on the fence. It was a second asshole offense, but by a guy that Miles seems to think can be a good guy in his actions in the long term. So he passed the buck to what Les Miles considers as an entity bigger than him, the team.

Personally, I think if he was that much on the fence, he should have just let Hill go. Both Badger and Perrilloux seemed to straighten their personal life out after they got a kick in the rear, maybe it would have helped Hill too?

Plus, LSU players getting in fights with other drunken idiots needs to stop.

molson

08-06-2013, 12:13 PM

How do you even get probation for getting a blowjob from a child?

Tigercat

08-06-2013, 12:16 PM

Circumstances perhaps, wouldn't be the first high school senior to have relations with a high school freshman. Of course, many have done so without consequences, and some have gone to jail for it.

Lathum

08-06-2013, 12:17 PM

I think Miles was just really on the fence. It was a second asshole offense, but by a guy that Miles seems to think can be a good guy in his actions in the long term.
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Forcing a 14 year old girl to blow you is an "asshole offense" by someone that can be a "good guy?"

priorities man

molson

08-06-2013, 12:19 PM

Circumstances perhaps, wouldn't be the first high school senior to have relations with a high school freshman. Of course, many have done so without consequences, and some have gone to jail for it.

There's lots of people in prison for crimes even though they "weren't the first one" to do it. That's not a mitigating factor.

Edit: But to play that game, do we know how many people with child sex offense convictions are on college football teams? I can't imagine a lot, because most are going to be in prison during their football-playing years.

Tigercat

08-06-2013, 12:23 PM

Forcing a 14 year old girl to blow you is an "asshole offense" by someone that can be a "good guy?"

priorities man

I don't know for sure what happened at the school, but the charges aren't "forced." That's Doyle's words. I don't blame someone who thinks that Hill should be kicked off a college football team, but Doyle's spin on assuming who Hill is is some serious crap journalism. The specific definition of carnal knowledge is "with consent." Certainly, if Hill really did fully force the girl who had no intention on doing the act, he is a horrible human being.

Tigercat

08-06-2013, 12:36 PM

Edit: But to play that game, do we know how many people with child sex offense convictions are on college football teams? I can't imagine a lot, because most are going to be in prison during their football-playing years.

And how many 18 year old football players do you think have had sex with someone 16 and under as high school seniors? Because, hey, we are talking right and wrong right? Not just did you get convicted. Priorities right? Because this is clearly black and white.....

And that is my only real point about the whole thing, it isn't black and white. And even if it is, we don't know enough to know if it is. Although Doyle certainly thinks he does. Jeremy Hill may be a horrible, horrible human being. But if one of the best adults I know today came up to me and said "Hey as a stupid kid I once had sex with a girl way younger than me and later sucker punched a guy while I was drinking." I wouldn't necessarily think here is a guy that was once all bad.

molson

08-06-2013, 12:47 PM

And how many 18 year old football players do you think have had sex with someone 16 and under as high school seniors? Because, hey, we are talking right and wrong right? Not just did you get convicted. Priorities right? Because this is clearly black and white.....

And that is my only real point about the whole thing, it isn't black and white. And even if it is, we don't know enough to know if it is. Although Doyle certainly thinks he does. Jeremy Hill may be a horrible, horrible human being. But if one of the best adults I know today came up to me and said "Hey as a stupid kid I once had sex with a girl way younger than me and later sucker punched a guy while I was drinking." I wouldn't necessarily think here is a guy that was once all bad.

Child sex offense and battery convictions are black and white. You either have them or you don't. And if you have them, you're eligible to play football for LSU (subject to a vote by your peers, apparently) And I imagine his status as a football player helped him with sentencing as well.

Edit: I just don't get why LSU or their fans would go to bat for a guy like that. RBs are a dime a dozen when you're that big a football power. Aside from the moral angle and the example you set for other players and students, you open yourself up to big-time liability if and when he resumes his criminal activity within the context of the university or the athletic program.

Logan

08-06-2013, 12:53 PM

And how many 18 year old football players do you think have had sex with someone 16 and under as high school seniors? Because, hey, we are talking right and wrong right? Not just did you get convicted. Priorities right? Because this is clearly black and white.....

And that is my only real point about the whole thing, it isn't black and white. And even if it is, we don't know enough to know if it is. Although Doyle certainly thinks he does. Jeremy Hill may be a horrible, horrible human being. But if one of the best adults I know today came up to me and said "Hey as a stupid kid I once had sex with a girl way younger than me and later sucker punched a guy while I was drinking." I wouldn't necessarily think here is a guy that was once all bad.

Even if I agree with every one of your points (I don't, FYI), it really is a great idea for the leader of the program to pass this decision on to a bunch of 18-22 year olds? They know the intricacies of the laws and can decide if punishments should be dished out?

Your "bigger entity than Miles" statement is a crock of shit.

Logan

08-06-2013, 12:54 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>How ironic that "Official Store of NCAA" sells Johnny Football shirts: <a href="http://t.co/A9fats88NI">http://t.co/A9fats88NI</a> Or, a coincidence it's No. 2 with "Football"?</p>— Jay Bilas (@JayBilas) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayBilas/statuses/364802482456625152">August 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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finketr

08-06-2013, 01:04 PM

College teams are full of pricks, good guys, and guys who are a little bit of both.

Everyday life is full of al sorts of people...

Now addressing the "Don't blame Les Miles" aspect of the article: If he felt that Hill shouldn't be on the team he wouldn't be. The only justification for the vote is if your team feels it would be too much of a distraction or something along those lines.

Tigercat

08-06-2013, 01:07 PM

Even if I agree with every one of your points (I don't, FYI), it really is a great idea for the leader of the program to pass this decision on to a bunch of 18-22 year olds? They know the intricacies of the laws and can decide if punishments should be dished out?

Your "bigger entity than Miles" statement is a crock of shit.

First paragraph, I agree.

Second paragraph, that's how Miles sees it. It's his second family. He's the dad, but the family is bigger than him.

Tigercat

08-06-2013, 01:14 PM

Child sex offense and battery convictions are black and white. You either have them or you don't. And if you have them, you're eligible to play football for LSU (subject to a vote by your peers, apparently) And I imagine his status as a football player helped him with sentencing as well.

It (the sexual offense) happened before he even signed a LOI for LSU. And yes, a misdemeanor sexual offense and/or battery charge can't automatically bar you from a LSU football scholarship. Or an academic scholarship, for that matter.

molson

08-06-2013, 01:16 PM

It (the sexual offense) happened before he even signed a LOI for LSU.

That actually makes LSU look even worse.

(Edit: looking into it, I guess he got the blowjob from the child, then committed to LSU, THEN he was arrested/charged. So LSU didn't necessarily know about it at the time he signed on. Though they did obviously decide to keep him on. But it doesn't seem like THAT decision was as controversial as the one to keep him on after punching the guy and laughing about it. I think the latter isn't quite as bad at the former. I can't believe a major college football program like that has a guy with a child sex conviction on the roster.)

Logan

08-06-2013, 01:52 PM

More coming out. The third one is the most potentially damning.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>An East Coast broker played ESPN two videos of Johnny Manziel signing Texas A&M football and helmets and said he paid Manziel about $7,500</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/364819875346137090">August 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>On video, which was shopped but not purchased, Johnny Manziel is heard saying "you never did a signing with me" and not to tell anyone.</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/364820115176427520">August 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Johnny Manziel is heard being asked if he would take extra cash for special inscriptions, but Manziel says it would lead to questions</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/364820494991630336">August 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Broker alleges he spent about an hour on three visits to Manziel's hotel room, having more than 300 items signed</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/364820677989117952">August 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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HomerSimpson98

08-06-2013, 02:27 PM

motherfucker

Lathum

08-06-2013, 02:46 PM

Vegas dropped the A&M win total from 9.5 to 7. He's fucked.

panerd

08-06-2013, 02:53 PM

Vegas dropped the A&M win total from 9.5 to 7. He's fucked.

It's actually on the board though? 7 seems like a super value bet even with another QB. Their schedule is pretty light... outside of Alabama and LSU the rest of their opponents are pretty weak.

Honolulu_Blue

08-06-2013, 02:55 PM

Poor Johnny "Fucking" Football.

I think these rules are pretty silly, but they are the rules.

Lathum

08-06-2013, 02:58 PM

It's actually on the board though? 7 seems like a super value bet even with another QB. Their schedule is pretty light... outside of Alabama and LSU the rest of their opponents are pretty weak.

I thought I heard that on the radio but could be mistaken

Logan

08-06-2013, 03:15 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>the power of Jay Bilas - after pulling down the NCAA's pants (see here: <a href="http://t.co/ILgXOwmO5e">http://t.co/ILgXOwmO5e</a> ) they REMOVED THE SEARCH BAR from the site.</p>— Jason McIntyre (@jasonrmcintyre) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/statuses/364841104799047681">August 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Mizzou B-ball fan

08-06-2013, 03:17 PM

Wait, I thought there was nothing to see here re: Johnny Football?????

Logan

08-06-2013, 03:19 PM

Wait, I thought there was nothing to see here re: Johnny Football?????

Plenty to see, but until we see cash...

cartman

08-06-2013, 03:20 PM

Wait, I thought there was nothing to see here re: Johnny Football?????

No, there is nothing to see here re: Missouri Football.

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-06-2013, 04:56 PM

No, there is nothing to see here re: Missouri Football.

Oh, I see what you did there!

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-06-2013, 04:57 PM

dola

Looks like A&M odds are being pulled off the board in Vegas. They dropped from 9.5 to 7 today and now they're not taking bets.

cartman

08-06-2013, 05:03 PM

A&M has retained the law firm that Auburn used during the Cam Newton saga.

Texas A&M retains law firm for Johnny Manziel matter (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2013/08/05/texas-am-to-be-backed-by-lightfoot-law-firm-for-manziel/2621609/)

molson

08-06-2013, 05:32 PM

"ESPN was offered a chance to purchase the two videos, but declined. Reporter Joe Schad viewed the videos and reported on what he saw. The videos were recorded without the redshirt sophomore's knowledge, according to the broker.

The broker also says he will not cooperate with an NCAA investigation ESPN first reported on Sunday, one that threatens Manziel's eligibility if it is proven he took money for autographs, a violation of the association's rules."

So the broker showed ESPN the videos, but wanted money to actually hand them over. ESPN didn't pay up, and just reported on the content of the videos they saw instead (ha, sucker). But the guy says he's not going to talk to the NCAA. Unless presumably, they're willing to pay him.

Edit: I think they're going to need more than an "autograph broker" (who won't talk to them anyway) before they do anything.

bhlloy

08-06-2013, 05:33 PM

I imagine he's going to get paid under the table for not talking to the NCAA

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-06-2013, 05:34 PM

"ESPN was offered a chance to purchase the two videos, but declined. Reporter Joe Schad viewed the videos and reported on what he saw. The videos were recorded without the redshirt sophomore's knowledge, according to the broker.

The broker also says he will not cooperate with an NCAA investigation ESPN first reported on Sunday, one that threatens Manziel's eligibility if it is proven he took money for autographs, a violation of the association's rules."

So the broker showed ESPN the videos, but wanted money to actually hand them over. ESPN didn't pay up, and just reported on the content of the videos they saw instead (ha, sucker). But the guy says he's not going to talk to the NCAA. Unless presumably, they're willing to pay him.

Or they could hire him on like they did with the Shapiro lawyer in the Miami case.

BishopMVP

08-06-2013, 05:41 PM

Unless these videos surface publicly, and actually involve Manziel taking money or explicitly asking for it, I don't see how he gets suspended more than 2 games.

(And I can add that on to the Jeremy Hill story - he wouldn't be the poster boy for people getting in to bar fights and Gregg Doyel wouldn't be writing about him unless that video went public.)

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-06-2013, 05:59 PM

Matthean

08-06-2013, 07:08 PM

I don't think these videos will stay private for long. Someone will pay this guy what he wants for the exclusive rights.

There's no way they stay private. None.

BishopMVP

08-06-2013, 10:40 PM

There's no way they stay private. None.Sure there is. An A&M booster offers more money than TMZ. But more importantly, if it's just Manziel signing items and the asking for/exchange of money occurs off-camera I don't see the NCAA acting expediently or suspending him more than those first 2 games.

bhlloy

08-06-2013, 11:26 PM

Sure there is. An A&M booster offers more money than TMZ.

dingdingding. Or Manziel's family, if they have money. Or the agent he's already going to sign with next year. The NCAA's going to have to get a subpoena to even sniff those tapes and he's going to walk.

Matthean

08-07-2013, 12:08 AM

Tapes that are known about don't stay hidden these days.

nol

08-07-2013, 12:31 AM

dingdingding. Or Manziel's family, if they have money. Or the agent he's already going to sign with next year. The NCAA's going to have to get a subpoena to even sniff those tapes and he's going to walk.

This is my favorite part of the whole saga. The rich parents thing has been the magic bullet that explains away all of the jet-setting offseason stories. They're such enablers that they wanted to get JFFMOM and JFFDAD license plates. If his parents are wealthy enough to finance his regiment of courtside seats, concert tickets, and rounds at Pebble Beach (and clearly have no issue with doing so), why would he even take the time to sign autographs for $10k when he could just ask for it?

panerd

08-07-2013, 06:44 AM

This is my favorite part of the whole saga. The rich parents thing has been the magic bullet that explains away all of the jet-setting offseason stories. They're such enablers that they wanted to get JFFMOM and JFFDAD license plates. If his parents are wealthy enough to finance his regiment of courtside seats, concert tickets, and rounds at Pebble Beach (and clearly have no issue with doing so), why would he even take the time to sign autographs for $10k when he could just ask for it?

Even though he is incredibly famous and seems to come from a lot of money I am not sure that JFF 20-year old differs that much from a normal 20-year old. i.e. Who wouldn't love to have $10,000 party money on the side?

Lathum

08-07-2013, 06:56 AM

Logan

08-07-2013, 07:09 AM

CraigSca

08-07-2013, 07:34 AM

Tapes that are known about don't stay hidden these days.

What about the tape of the Toronto mayor smoking crack? That one never got released.

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-07-2013, 09:37 AM

This is getting downright embarrassing for the NCAA....

NCAA selling Reggie Bush autographs from vacated bowl game - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000226919/article/ncaa-selling-reggie-bush-autographs-from-vacated-bowl-game)

Edit: Here's the string of embarrassments from Jay Bilas as it happened yesterday....

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/06/jay-bilas-blasts-ncaa-on-twitter-in-wake-of-johnny-manziel-scandal-ed-obannon-case-photos/

molson

08-07-2013, 09:43 AM

I love how the NCAA is itself a shady autograph broker. Maybe they're the same one trying to bring down Manziel.

Logan

08-07-2013, 10:19 AM

Matthean

08-07-2013, 12:07 PM

And we're off...

If Johnny Manziel signed bulk autographs, was he the only one? - Good Bull Hunting (http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/8/7/4597352/johnny-manziel-bulk-signing-autographs-clowney-lattimore-ebay)

In one of the stories the broker or whoever was at or on their way to the title game. This is not even remotely an isolated incident.

Logan

08-07-2013, 12:31 PM

In one of the stories the broker or whoever was at or on their way to the title game. This is not even remotely an isolated incident.

Saw a post on another board I read where a guy said that he has a friend who is involved in this all the time. It always takes place in hotel rooms, they bring the kid in, he signs a bunch of stuff, he gets cash, and he leaves. Said he did it with Ingram and Richardson at Alabama, but also with many others.

Guy wasn't bragging or doing so to make claims against players...but in a "no big deal, everyone does this" way. And as long as these kids aren't morons (hello Johnny), everything is fine and the game keeps going.

JonInMiddleGA

08-07-2013, 12:40 PM

And as long as these kids aren't morons (hello Johnny), everything is fine and the game keeps going.

I must have missed something. In this scenario, what did Manziel do differently than any of the other players? I thought this only came to light because a broker was shopping tape of it?

CU Tiger

08-07-2013, 07:12 PM

Johnny signed 300+ for 4 different brokers.
It happens at every school, hell I can give you the names of the signature hounds at Clemson and SCar....the difference is Johnny got greedy and played with several different guys and told each he was exclusive to them, hence devaluing their investment.

I've also been told that, Johnny Football allegedly told one sleaze ball he wanted new "blades" on his SUV that cost $6,0000 and Dad said he was stupid...

Matthean

08-07-2013, 11:19 PM

TCU coach Gary Patterson not a fan of LSU voting on discipline - ESPN Dallas (http://espn.go.com/dallas/college-football/story/_/id/9549053/tcu-coach-gary-patterson-not-fan-lsu-voting-discipline)

"My whole team would vote Devonte to be back on the team because they all want to win," Patterson said. "That doesn't teach life lessons."

Atocep

08-07-2013, 11:54 PM

nol

08-08-2013, 06:22 AM

Even though he is incredibly famous and seems to come from a lot of money I am not sure that JFF 20-year old differs that much from a normal 20-year old. i.e. Who wouldn't love to have $10,000 party money on the side?

What I meant is that $10k evaporates pretty quickly when you're doing Johnny Football things. I just thought it was funny how the media is getting worked up over this original figure -- they need to give themselves room to get even more outraged when the inevitable investigation reveals that the $10,000 was just the tip of the iceberg :popcorn:

Lathum

08-08-2013, 06:34 AM

This all shows stupidity on so many levels. Apparently he wanted new rims for his car and his Dad wouldn't buy them. Wonder what his plan was to tell his Dad when he showed up with the new rims.

Matthean

08-08-2013, 10:58 AM

This all shows stupidity on so many levels. Apparently he wanted new rims for his car and his Dad wouldn't buy them. Wonder what his plan was to tell his Dad when he showed up with the new rims.

It does answer the question why he would be asking for money when his parents already have it. Maybe he wants to spend it on things his parents don't want him to.

JPhillips

08-08-2013, 11:20 AM

Wonder what his plan was to tell his Dad when he showed up with the new rims.

Same as his plan for everything else: "Fuck you, I'm Johnny Football."

Lathum

08-08-2013, 11:27 AM

Same as his plan for everything else: "Fuck you, I'm Johnny Football."

my thoughts exactly, which makes it an even dumber decision since NFL teams will love that attitude.

Suburban Rhythm

08-08-2013, 12:00 PM

Pitt lost its 13th player since the start of spring drills. Pitt people saying more are expected to leave. Chryst has supposedly inherited a mess of a locker room and he's trying to clean up the culture there. With the way he's recruiting it could be rough the next couple of years.

The Todd Thomas thing is really odd...came out of nowhere.

Chryst must have some sort of guarantee that he's good for 4-5 years or something. Otherwise, sure, cleaning house and doing it "your way" is nice, but after a couple 2-9 seasons, there won't be a house to clean any longer.

Dr. Sak

08-08-2013, 01:09 PM

The Todd Thomas thing is really odd...came out of nowhere.

Chryst must have some sort of guarantee that he's good for 4-5 years or something. Otherwise, sure, cleaning house and doing it "your way" is nice, but after a couple 2-9 seasons, there won't be a house to clean any longer.

He came back...

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/pitt-big-east/coach-thomas-will-rejoin-pitt-football-team-698620/

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-08-2013, 10:58 PM

Interesting read....

SEC Coaches Talk Anonymously About Conference Foes for 2013 | AthlonSports.com (http://athlonsports.com/college-football/sec-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-2013)

Buccaneer

08-09-2013, 07:04 PM

Not to mention he likely feels like he has a right to profit from his own success.

He also has the right to break rules or be above them and expect no consequences? Just like with professional sports, big-time college sports live by a different set of rules because the rewards are so great. The comparisons to normal 20-yr olds (at least those that break rules and laws) is silly.

BillJasper

08-09-2013, 07:26 PM

He also has the right to break rules or be above them and expect no consequences? Just like with professional sports, big-time college sports live by a different set of rules because the rewards are so great. The comparisons to normal 20-yr olds (at least those that break rules and laws) is silly.

While my thinking on compensating players has changed over the years, this guy took a scholarship knowing what the current rules are. If they were too restrictive then he should do something other than play college football.

If it's found that he broke those rules then he should be punished accordingly.

MrBug708

08-10-2013, 12:12 AM

Tough break for USC as Marquise Lee leaves practice with a hurt shoulder. If it's anything serious, Kif better be getting his resume ready for the Cowboys or Seahawks

Kodos

08-10-2013, 07:08 AM

I can tell you are devastated.

nol

08-12-2013, 10:34 PM

If his parents are wealthy enough to finance his regiment of courtside seats, concert tickets, and rounds at Pebble Beach (and clearly have no issue with doing so), why would he even take the time to sign autographs for $10k when he could just ask for it?

The Long Con: How The Manziels Conquered America (http://deadspin.com/the-long-con-how-the-manziels-conquered-america-1040593220)

Oh, okay.

Desnudo

08-13-2013, 12:35 PM

Oh, okay.

Louisiana land deal - check
Texas oil deal - check
Drugs - check
Murder - check
Failed arena plan - check

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-21-2013, 11:47 AM

panerd

08-21-2013, 11:53 AM

Mizzou's 2014 schedule just came out. Excited to have a real rivalry game back on the schedule. Arkansas will be visiting Columbia. The game will be held annually on the Friday after Thanksgiving. Should be fun!

Is Arkansas the permanent game or A&M?

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-21-2013, 12:16 PM

Is Arkansas the permanent game or A&M?

Arkansas is the permanent game starting in 2014-2015 school year. A&M's permanent game will be South Carolina.

cartman

08-21-2013, 01:04 PM

There really isn't anything permanent about the SEC conference schedules. They are only nailed down for the next 3 seasons. They announced back during the media days that there is an SEC committee that is looking to the scheduling for 2016 onward.

Slive: SEC Reviewing Scheduling Policy For Possible 2016 Changes (http://mrsec.com/2013/07/slive-sec-reviewing-scheduling-policy-for-possible-2016-changes/)

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-21-2013, 05:39 PM

Wolfpack

08-21-2013, 07:58 PM

One thought that has occurred to me is why the SEC never thought to restructure themselves where Alabama and Auburn went East and then could put Missouri and probably Vanderbilt in the West. All those "traditional" rivalries that anyone really cared about (Alabama-Auburn, Auburn-Georgia, Alabama-Tennessee, Georgia-Florida, Florida-Tennessee) would be division games and you wouldn't have to muck with crossovers (at worst, UT/Vandy could be kept if they followed the Big 10 Purdue/Indiana idea). LSU would lose Alabama, true, but they'd still have A&M and I'm sure they don't mind keeping that Texas exposure every year. You'd then be able to get everyone to play everyone else ever four years without having to expand to nine games.

At this point, I don't see nine games as viable until they push the schedule to 13 games overall, even if the "Division 4" idea comes to pass. Too many schools need 8 games at home and if it's your turn to have five conference road games in a nine-game schedule, you have to make all your non-conference games at home and that can be rather difficult to do sometimes.

JonInMiddleGA

08-21-2013, 09:50 PM

One thought that has occurred to me is why the SEC never thought to restructure themselves where Alabama and Auburn went East and then could put Missouri and probably Vanderbilt in the West.

Most likely because at that point you've got all traditional powers stuck in one division. Plus there's 6 teams in the East that aren't going to vote for taking on Bama every year any time soon. I assume that neither Bama nor Auburn wants to go to the east either. That's 8 votes against it right there.

As it is, even with the current power imbalance being so heavily tilted west, the divisions --within themselves -- are actually fairly competitive right now. LSU or A&M can compete with Bama. UGA/Florida are competitive, SC is currently in the mix for the time being, with UT hoping to get back to that level.

At this point, I don't see nine games as viable until they push the schedule to 13 games overall, even if the "Division 4" idea comes to pass. Too many schools need 8 games at home and if it's your turn to have five conference road games in a nine-game schedule, you have to make all your non-conference games at home and that can be rather difficult to do sometimes.[/QUOTE]

cartman

08-22-2013, 11:28 AM

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-22-2013, 01:53 PM

On some level, this might be true. On both Arkansas' and the SEC's schedule, the game is listed as the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

MU football will travel to A&M, host Arkansas in 2014 - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/21/4425000/mu-football-will-travel-to-am.html)

Missouri originally said the game would be played on Friday, Nov. 28, which would have been the Tigers’ first non-Saturday Thanksgiving weekend game since 1954. But Southeastern Conference spokesman Chuck Dunlap clarified that the game is actually scheduled to take place Saturday, Nov. 29, and Missouri spokesman Chad Moller later confirmed, saying there was some “miscommunication regarding the date.”

There’s still a chance Missouri could play on that Friday, however. The SEC currently has three other games scheduled for that Saturday, including Auburn-Alabama, Mississippi State-Ole Miss and Tennessee-Vanderbilt, and one of the four will be moved up to Friday to accomodate CBS, which used to show LSU-Arkansas in that day-after-Thanksgiving time slot.

Moller said the MU-Arkansas game is "being considered for TV for Friday,” per the league office, “but no change” has been made “yet.”

cartman

08-22-2013, 03:01 PM

The All-Name team for the upcoming season:

The 25 best college football names of 2013 | For The Win (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/08/the-25-best-college-football-names-of-2013/)

1. ‘Fudge’ Van Hooser (Tulane WR)
T-2. Wave & Blaze Ryder (Navy DB & C)
4. Silverberry Mouhon (Cincinnati DL)
5. Thor Jozwiak (South Florida OL)
6. Win Homer (Boston College OL)
7. ‘Chocolate’ Wilson (Marshall DB)
8. De’Asian Richardson (Louisville DL)
9. Spiffy Evans (Boston College WR)
10. Taco Charlton (Michigan DL)
11. Dee Liner (Alabama DL)
12. Spencer Drango (Baylor OL)
13. Chongo Kondolo (Nebraska OL)
14. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (Alabama DB)
15. Jerry ‘BooBoo’ Gates (Bowling Green DB)
16. Chris Blewitt (Pittsburgh PK)
17. Johnny Ragin III (Cal LB)
18. Cassanova McKinzy (Auburn LB)
19. ‘Money’ Hunter (Arkansas State DB)
20. Sirgregory Thornton (Arkansas State RB)
21. Munchie Legaux (Cincinnati QB)
22. Robert Godhigh (Georgia Tech RB)
23. Konockus Sashington (North Texas RB)
24. Hugs Etienne (Wisconsin DB)
25. Pharoah McKever (NC State WR)

Logan

08-26-2013, 03:45 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-26-2013, 10:59 PM

'The System' a great read on college football's inner workings - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf---the-system--a-great-read-on-college-football-s-inner-workings-202143287.html)

You probably never want to read the story of Kiffin/Tennessee's use of recruiting hostesses, only to then see the words "Even worse is the story of the University of Missouri student-athlete tutoring culture..." following it.

Edit: Hilarious stuff here as the person who made the accusation reveals that she has no person knowledge of wrongdoing outside of the Washington case......

Prosecutor clarifies her comments in book critical of MU tutoring program - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/29/4446193/prosecutor-clarifies-her-comments.html)