STORM'S END (GoT) Thread

[Chief Rum]

This is the House Baratheon of Storm's End thread. You may only post in here or view this thread if you are allowed to in the game rules.

This thread is for members of House Baratheon of Storm's End.



FOR REFERENCE

Here is the player list, with roles



HOUSE STARK

King Robb Stark-- Coffee Warlord

Roose Bolton-- JAG
Rickard Karstark-- MrBug708
Theon Greyjoy-- Lathum


HOUSE LANNISTER

King Joffrey Baratheon-- Zinto

Tywin Lannister-- hoopsguy
Jaime Lannister-- greenbeans
Ser Gregor Clegane-- Julio Riddols


HOUSE BARATHEON OF DRAGONSTONE

King Stannis Baratheon-- Autumn

Ser Davos Seaworth-- InBlue
Axell Florent-- claphamsa
Melisandre-- bulletsponge


HOUSE BARATHEON OF STORM'S END

King Renly Baratheon-- path12

Loras Tyrell-- murrayyyyy
Cortnay Penrose-- Darth Vilus
Brienne of Tarth-- fontisian


NEUTRAL CHARACTERS

Barristan Selmy-- mauchow
Lord Varys-- DaddyTorgo
Cersei Lannister-- Narcizo
Petyr Littlefinger Baelish-- saldana
Tyrion Lannister-- Danny

[Darth Vilus]

Lets do this!

[fontisian]

Hey guys. Should we figure out our resources?

[claphamsa]

im here, loyal and confused. I read the first book years ago, and hated it... so there is that.

[fontisian]

Wrong thread clap.

[claphamsa]

huh? oh shit! 2 Barathoeons. my bad

[murrayyyyy]

I'm "here". For the record, I will be scarce for this game. Let's just say I will be wearing a black suit soon and no clue of when it is.

I'll try to find time to read the rules but I was too busy this weekend because of above. Monday's suck but I'll make sure to follow actions and will check in periodically today.

So step one is kill Clap because he posted in the wrong thread? LOL

[path12]

A sword swallower through and through.

I would like my Hand to be someone who will have availability this week. Mondays are my worst day, my weeks are frontloaded.

Darth, font?

[path12]

Hey guys. Should we figure out our resources?

Apparently a treasury report is coming but in addition to the resources the three of you have I bring:

40,000 gold
40,000 men
15 ships

I have to think we start strong. My initial impulse is to weaken the Lannisters, mainly to try and get some discord sewn with the King's Landing advisors......seems it might be easier for them initally to just side with the King that is in their midst.

[Darth Vilus]

My availability should be decent with the exception of Friday, I'm going to sea world that day. I can do small checks that day though

[Darth Vilus]

I start with 3000g and 1000 men and gain an additional 1080g and 90 men a day. I can't build or hold any hips because my land is landlocked

[Darth Vilus]

Oh and also if we are attacked we get some kind if benefit, that's my ability

[Darth Vilus]

Attacked in war, not raided or anything

[murrayyyyy]

Because of my kick ass sword play (and not that kind!) I give our team a bonus in wars. Same on ships for me, no help there.

[Darth Vilus]

So we should try to anger a king bad enough so he goes to war with us then?

[fontisian]

I have 1000 gold, I'm very good at capturing people and my side is benefited if I'm fighting. I've got a fair bit of free time for the next few weeks.

[path12]

I wasn't given abilities as much as a positive and negative.

My positive is that I cannot be assassinated as long as Brienne is in the game.
My negative is that I cannot kill Loras if it came to that. I'm not sure why that is a negative -- I'll have to revisit the rules when I get a chance.

I would think the only other side with ships is Stannis, who likely has more than we do and probably some sort of magic ability. I suspect the Lannisters have some kind of wildfire to protect Kings Landing. Not sure what Stark would have offhand, guessing either some sort of battlefield bonus or something to do with direwolves.

I'll come up with a Hand decision later this afternoon. I'm checking in between reports. I like our team.

[path12]

Still guessing at abilities.

Varys -- can look in the house threads?
Selmy -- combat bonus or additional protection of some sort.

Also, with no wolves the traditionally strong analysis players may be at a disadvantage. This is going to be about wrangling votes.

Ideas which house to go for first? I would love to get Melisandre out of the way and think we could build support for that in thread.

[path12]

I'm going to go with Darth for the Hand, mainly because I like the protection Brienne provides and do not wish to put a bigger target on her than needed.

[Darth Vilus]

I'm completely in the dark on game of thrones so I'm relying on you guys to guess at the abilities and decide which house is best to go for. I'm game with any though

[Darth Vilus]

I'm cool with being the Hand, basically all it does is grant PM rights to me and the King right?

[bulletsponge]

checking in. i have only 1000 gold and no men or ships

[Darth Vilus]

Wrong thread bullet

[murrayyyyy]

Just got home to read the rules and catch up.

[fontisian]

Murrayyyyy: Can you post your resources?

Should we consider trying to ally with another group?

[path12]

Ally in the main thread? We don't have anyone who can approach quietly do we? (maybe this discussion is going on in there, I came here first).

I would like to get one of Varys, Selmy or Tyrion on our side as you could tell by the main thread. An ally would be great, ideas are welcome or just toss some darts out there and see what happens.

[path12]

BTW, I'll be sending out a PM to murrayyyyy and fontesian in the morning (been reading the rules, yeesh).

I guess we can approach via PM or an emissary. Thoughts?

Stannis -- could probably use an ally due to smaller army, think they have some sort of magic uses with Melisandre.
Stark -- further away from us, we could pincer either Stannis or Lannister.
Lannister -- I have trouble trusting them just from the books but this is obviously a different thing.

Our strength is our army -- Brienne has a combat bonus as does Loras and Penrose gives us a defensive bonus. We should probably use it.

Wondering which neutral to approach tomorrow.

As you can tell I do a lot of thinking out loud.

[murrayyyyy]

Murrayyyyy: Can you post your resources?

Should we consider trying to ally with another group?

Do we want to post in here? The way I read the rules is that people are allowed to view our threads as reward eventually? Just didn't know how tight lipped we wanted to be.

[murrayyyyy]

25000 gold, 15000 men and no ships

3780 gold, 270 men and no ships every day, after my 10% tithing to King Renly Baratheon

Damn you people are broke...

[Darth Vilus]

damn youre rich lol

[fontisian]

Dragonstone's advantage is their ships, which will be helpful in raids, and Melisandre's abilities. Their disadvantage is their lack of men and funds and the religious divisions that may blow up in Autumn's face.

Lannister's advantage is wealth, army, and combat oriented bannermen. If I had to guess at a disadvantage, it would be a lack of loyalty among the

[fontisian]

Thank you laptop, for posting while I was halfway through my post.

To continue: If I had to guess at a disadvantage, it would be a lack of loyalty among the bannermen and weakness to raids from ships.

Stark's advantages are their wealth, men and the Dire Wolf, though they don't have as much wealth or men as the Lannisters.

I think we should try to get everyone to vote for the Lannisters, particularly hoopsguy, as he is the wealthiest of the bannermen, the hand, and it looks like he's the most talkative in the Lannister thread.

[murrayyyyy]

I'm going to play my character pretty true so whomever Path votes for, I'll follow.

[fontisian]

An alliance with Dragonstone would allow us to avoid raids and whatever powers Melisandre has, while and alliance with Stark would give us significant manpower that could be used to take down the Lannisters. We could propose an alliance with both houses to last until the Lannisters are wiped out.

Alternatively, we could let Lannister and Dragonstone wipe each other out. :devil: Looks like Autumn wants to vote out a low income bannerman to recruit them later.

If we do succeed in voting out another bannerman, I suggest that we contact them in advance and ask them to transfer all of their gold to us in exchange for being immediately accepted as a bannerman. This way, the avoid giving half their gold to their former king and the other half to charity and we avoid paying money to charity. It's particularly important if we vote out hoopsguy, because he's so wealthy.

[path12]

Hey guys, I read the rules wrong yesterday so I won't be able to send you PM's.

Brienne, I love the suggestion about voting out a bannerman. Will you use your PM today to approach whoever looks like they are getting the vote?

Hoops will likely be hard to vote out just for meta reasons. Still early but I wouldn't be surprised to see either Clegane or Melisandre be the choice.

I am sending Penrose out as an emissary today. Feel free to be friendly to Stannis' faction in the main thread......I believe an alliance is going to be necessary.

And that being the case I guess my initial impression will be a Clegane vote, but let's see how things start to shake out before we put too much out there.

What do you guys feel about voting? I'm really unsure how we want to coordinate that and welcome ideas.

[path12]

Loras, my thought for your PM is to approach one of the neutrals. Who do you think may be useful to us?

[path12]

Oh, and since Loras already has Highgarden I am going to name him Warden of the South.

[path12]

Services. Thoughts? I'm thinking more ships give us more security against Dragonstone.

[murrayyyyy]

Loras, my thought for your PM is to approach one of the neutrals. Who do you think may be useful to us?

Sal or Narc based of characters that I think would be stacked to help out. I think Narc is a better player personally and would like to always have him on our teams side.

[path12]

Stannis has approached us supporting a Clegane vote.

[fontisian]

path: See if you can convice him to switch to Tywin Lannister.

For services, you should definitely use the one pm to Varys. I like the idea of investing in a land. Do you want to attempt a raid on one of the smaller lands?

[fontisian]

And yeah, I'll use my pm today to approach the vote target.

[murrayyyyy]

question, should we keep a running log of important posts in this thread? Also am I allowed to copy from main and put in here?

For example.

Post 300: Lands of Westros

or just

HOUSE STARK

King Robb Stark (CW)-- Winterfell (family home), Riverrun, The Twins and Deepwood Motte.
Roose Bolton(JAG)-- The Dreadfort (family home)
Rickard Karstark (MrBug708)-- The Karhold (family home)


HOUSE LANNISTER

King Joffrey Baratheon (Zinto)-- King's Landing, Harrenhal, Crakehall and Fairhaven
Tywin Lannister (hoopsguy)-- Casterly Rock (family home)
Ser Gregor Clegane (Julio Riddols)-- Clegane's Keep (family home)


HOUSE BARATHEON OF DRAGONSTONE

King Stannis Baratheon (Autumn)-- Dragonstone (family home), Maidenpool and Duskendale
Ser Davos Seaworth (InBlue)-- Cape Wrath (family home)
Ser Axell Florent (claphamsa)-- Brightwater Keep (family home)


HOUSE BARATHEON OF STORM'S END

King Renly Baratheon (path12)-- Storm's End (family home), Summerhall, Blackhaven, The Arbor
Ser Loras Tyrell (murrayyyyy)-- Highgarden (family home)
Ser Cortnay Penrose (Darth Vilus)-- Parchments (family home)

[murrayyyyy]

For services, you should definitely use the one pm to Varys. I like the idea of investing in a land. Do you want to attempt a raid on one of the smaller lands?

I agree on the land and a raid. I didn't play last time but I assume services will be able to be purchased later in the game and getting more land to get more money/armies would seem like a good start.

[path12]

path: See if you can convice him to switch to Tywin Lannister.

For services, you should definitely use the one pm to Varys. I like the idea of investing in a land. Do you want to attempt a raid on one of the smaller lands?

I've already sent a PM to Varys this morning. We need a source for intelligence, and he is my priority there.

Will suggest Tywin to Stannis and see what happens. Not sure if he'll be able to respond to the PM, need to clarify that with Chief.

Did you have a land in mind? I really need to get some work done so welcome suggestions.....

[path12]

Sal or Narc based of characters that I think would be stacked to help out. I think Narc is a better player personally and would like to always have him on our teams side.

Narc is a good choice here I think. He is active enough that he can help us. Go for it.

[path12]

Murrayyyyy, to follow up with your houses post, I did put this together as well:

RESOURCES:

Storms End: 40,000 gold, 40,000 men, 15 ships
Loras (bonus to combat): 25,000 gold, 15,000 men, 0 ships -- daily 3,780 gold, 270 men, 0 ships.
Penrose (bonus to defense): 3,000 gold, 1,000 men, 0 ships -- daily 1,080 gold, 90 men, 0 ships.
Brienne (bonus to combat, good at capture): 1,000 gold

And now I really need to check out for a bit.....

[Chief Rum]

Ser Cortnay Penrose (Darth Vilus) has left the camp for the day.

[murrayyyyy]

Did you have a land in mind? I really need to get some work done so welcome suggestions.....

No clue for now (swamped for the next 4 hours probably so open to suggestions.

Also how do we want to approach Narc. A hey if some stuff goes down or a would you like to side with us question. I only get one PM shot so will try to include as many questions and answers to the follow up in the initial PM (Save on PMs by giving answers that he possibly might ask questions to)

[murrayyyyy]

Someone may know which lands are closest better than I do... Should we aim for the productive/moderate type lands?

THE RICHEST LANDS

Casterly Rock, Highgarden, King's Landing, Riverrun, Storm's End, Winterfell

WEALTHY LANDS

Brightwater Keep, Dragonstone, The Dreadfort, Harrenhal

PRODUCTIVE LANDS

Blackhaven, Duskendale, The Karhold, Maidenpool

MODERATE LANDS

The Arbor, Crakehall, Summerhall, The Twins

POOREST LANDS

Clegane's Keep, Deepwood Motte, Fairhaven, Parchments, Cape Wrath

[Chief Rum]

question, should we keep a running log of important posts in this thread? Also am I allowed to copy from main and put in here?

If this question is for me, sure, you can do that, if you like.

[murrayyyyy]

If this question is for me, sure, you can do that, if you like.

I assumed it's okay since everyone has done it here already. If not then I free hand copied all of it :)

[path12]

Seems like Clegane is the way to go for now. I have sent a message to Stannis and we have the emissary going to the Starks. Varys has let me know that I will get a reply from him later.

Brienne, let Ser Gregor know his services can be put to good use at Storm's End. If he transfers his gold we'll know this as a sign. If not, maybe he is worth a capture (only if the risk is minimal to you, I prefer not to risk anyone at this point).

Loras, I wish I had an idea of where to go with Cersei and trust your judgement -- surely she might see that the Lannisters may not be the best place to hang her hat.

Will check in again when available.

[path12]

Strikes me that this is much more a game of Diplomacy than Werewolf.

[path12]

My only concern about raiding is deciding who to piss off. I get that Lannister is the target that comes to mind. Clegane's Keep and Fairhaven are poor, Crakehall OK, I guess Harrenhal would be best -- I don't think Tywin is going to leave Casterly Rock open.

Actually, I suspect they are going to possibly get a few raids tonight. How many men would we want to commit and who wants to do it? I want plausible deniablilty.... ;)

[murrayyyyy]

How would you define doing something that would hurt you? If you read it as attacking a land behind your back I can not do it.

[murrayyyyy]

Asked for verification because of the vagueness of what I was told.

[murrayyyyy]

Literally physical harm. So I'll attack someone. After all I'm a good fighter...

[path12]

How would you define doing something that would hurt you? If you read it as attacking a land behind your back I can not do it.

Loras, I'm unclear what you mean here.

[path12]

Lannister is also casting around for allies BTW.

[fontisian]

Contacting Julio now.

The risk of siding with Lannister is that they may overwhelm us after Stark and Dragonstone are gone.

[path12]

Brienne, don't remember if I mentioned this or not but I did bring up Tywin to Stannis. He is not able to reply to that yet but I expect he will at some point -- I just don't think we can shift enough votes effectively today.

[path12]

Contacting Julio now.

The risk of siding with Lannister is that they may overwhelm us after Stark and Dragonstone are gone.

I get that and do not see a long-term deal available there. I would though like to preserve some semblance of a balance of power early -- a quick Lannister destruction may benefit the Starks more than the rest of us. A slower attrition might be preferable.

(ooc) I hope it is clear that I don't want to make arbitrary decisions without everyones input/agreement -- Renly is not a dictator! (/ooc)

[path12]

Noticed that Julio just posted in the Lannister thread. Wonder if he is reporting fontesian's IM.

I suspect we are not going to get any firm agreements at this point from anyone -- frankly if we did I would find that pretty shady. All the houses are going to be feeling each other out this first day or two.

So let's assume Lannister loses Clegane today. Best to wipe them out as quickly as possible or do we want to try and weaken someone else? Curious as to people's thoughts there.

[fontisian]

Reply from Julio. He'll post "This is bollocks" in the thread before 9:30 EST if he intends to join us and will then transfer his money privately. He's probably waiting to see if his king intends to keep him anyway or if he gets a better offer.

[path12]

Nice job! At least it wasn't a no.

Heads up -- I'll be leaving in around 30 minutes and since this is mine and the lovely yet stern ms.path's yoga night won't be around until after deadline.

I think we've covered pretty much everything -- feel free to do what is best for Storm's End!!

[path12]

So....Stark emissary to Stannis.

[fontisian]

Interesting. Path, mind keeping us updated your conversation?

[fontisian]

Pretty poor timing on Lannister's part though. They should have contacted us sooner.

[fontisian]

Lovely. Now we just have to worry about Julio being captured before we can get to him.

Chief: I have another pm after the 10pm deadline, right?

[Chief Rum]

Lovely. Now we just have to worry about Julio being captured before we can get to him.

Chief: I have another pm after the 10pm deadline, right?

Yes.

[murrayyyyy]

I haven't used mine yet font. Is there a message you want me to send him?

[fontisian]

I'm a bit worried about him being captured before he gets the chance to join us. I could go after him just after he flees, and if we knew how many men he has we would know exactly how many men to send with me. Alternatively, if he has a lot of men we can be pretty well assured that he won't be captured.

[murrayyyyy]

I'll ask. Cheif has to be on pm. Correct? On my phone right now

[Chief Rum]

I'll ask. Cheif has to be on pm. Correct? On my phone right now

Yes

[murrayyyyy]

Asked. Feel better about saving my one pm now.

[murrayyyyy]

He won't give the exact number but says he could have hired twice as many with the number in money that we know of. Said he is down for joining us. Says that his talent is making the ones that attack him much worse in battle.

[fontisian]

Right. We'll figure it out when path comes in and determine if a capture attempt is worth it.

[path12]

Interesting. Path, mind keeping us updated your conversation?

I will and kind of expected this by a message received earlier. I'm just catching up on threads before getting to the PM's.

[path12]

I'm a bit worried about him being captured before he gets the chance to join us. I could go after him just after he flees, and if we knew how many men he has we would know exactly how many men to send with me. Alternatively, if he has a lot of men we can be pretty well assured that he won't be captured.

Did he give the other half of his gold to anyone before fleeing? Because if not we'll have to pay to avoid the reputation penalties (whatever the hell those would be).

[path12]

Dola, I'm OK with paying for the benefits.

[fontisian]

I think he transfered all of his gold to you.

[path12]

I just saw that PM. If you fail in a capture is there a consequence to you?

We need to get you some men too.

The PM from Lannister is indeed seeking an alliance.

[path12]

LEND BRIENNE OF TARTH 6,000 MEN

That should be enough, you think? His description says he has little personal wealth or men.

[fontisian]

How much money did he send you? We can probably figure out his manpower from the money.

I'm not sure what to do with the Lannisters. Not worrying about an attack from them would be nice, but I'd rather not go down with that ship.

[path12]

He sent 5,000 gold. That would have been prior to fleeing, I got that message at 6:11 Pacific.

[path12]

Lord Tywin and his faction have been discussing the prospect of an alliance with us for much of the day. He has the support of "King" Joffrey in proposing this alliance, with a stated end goal of reducing the number of contenders from four to two.

He wanted to know what we considered our road to victory. I have no intention of divulging that.

The key points of what I told him was:

In theory I have no objection to a showdown with the two of us standing at the end.

My bannermen (and women, Lady Brienne) are not convinced that the Lannisters are trustworthy allies and will need persuading.

That I feel the Starks are currently the most powerful house, and acknowledged that we have had an emissary there but I have not heard back.

That he could probably get many to agree that Melisandre is a threat tomorrow.

Thoughts? I believe I have unlimited PM with him at the moment so if you guys think I should clarify or ask something let me know.

[path12]

Loras, if we go further with Cersei it may be helpful to remind her that we are talking with the Lannister emissary, regardless if anything comes of it.

[path12]

He won't give the exact number but says he could have hired twice as many with the number in money that we know of. Said he is down for joining us. Says that his talent is making the ones that attack him much worse in battle.

He gave us 5000. Mercenaries cost 5000 and provide 5000 men. So he should have 2500.

The 6000 should suffice I think.

[path12]

So Tywin and Ser Jaime would have to give combat bonuses, right?

I have a reply from Lord Tywin. His thoughts followed by my initial reaction:

He believes even with the loss of Clegane he has the greatest number of troops. Possible.

He believes the Lannisters hold a disproportionate sway with the neutral characters though he cannot be certain of that at this time. Given they are based in Kings Landing, possible.

He can bring votes to the table to protect our interests. Not as many as other houses, and especially not as many as us if we get Clegane.

Regarding the Stark/Stannis threat: He also believes Melisandre can be put on the line tomorrow and believes that Stannis would shield her. He then believes he can paint House Stark as the main threat for Day 3. Yes on the first, maybe on the second point.

He would remind my bannermen that this will be won by good play, not by the narrative. He asks you to consider their likely abilities and strategic acumen without the name "Lannister". I do not presume to comment on this other to note ooc that hoops is about as respected as anyone in this community and can have sway.

He says that we are his first approach and that if we don't want to ally he can easily find another. I call bullshit on that.....and this is where I confess to you my bannermen that I used my own PM today to approach Lord Tywin on the principle that after playing Diplomacy for years I have learned to always talk to your enemy, for he may not always be.

This is where we stand. I plan to acknowledge his message and that I await council from my trusted bannermen before detailing further.

[path12]

Did we raid?

[path12]

*tap* *tap* Is this thing on?

[fontisian]

I don't think we raided. You should send me out to capture Julio if you think he's in danger (though I think his comments in the thread make an attempt to capture him less likely.) Otherwise, send me on a raid.

We really need to talk to Darth and ask him about his negotiations with the Starks before deciding on the Lannister question. My instict is to continue "kicking the Lannisters while they are down."

[murrayyyyy]

We're we suppose to raid? I never heard of anyone picking a land to do it to. (sorry, at work backing up all hard drives because of a failure.)

[fontisian]

Actually, don't send me on a capture mission. I could raid Harrenhal (Lannister) if I had some more men.

We should probably purchase the land improving service.

[murrayyyyy]

How many do you need Font?

[path12]

Man. Tywin was not happy about that Ser Jaime vote.

[path12]

My question to you guys is this -- are you advising that we should reject the Lannister offers without knowing for sure what is going on with the Stark negotiations?

Because it strikes me that could backfire on us if the Stark thing doesn't come through. Darth did send me a PM this morning but there was nothing in it that said we had a firm agreement with Stark, though he was going to exchange a couple more letters before returning. I did inform him of the Lannister emissary so he would be aware of that situation.

[path12]

As far as the raid goes I don't think there was ever a decision but when I saw it had happened I thought someone might have gone for it.

I did think Brienne was going to try and capture Clegane. If he hasn't been caught by now I think we can probably wait the day and have him arrive then.

[path12]

Services. Land improvement is good. Adding ships I think would be good -- oh shit that reminds me, Tywin gave me info on Stannis. Let me go find it and I will share that.

[path12]

This is what Tywin claims that Stannis has:

1.) My army is 5K larger than his.
2.) He has 57 ships under his control and that number will grow by 7 per day. This is a substantial concern. I have ships, but his count is substantially more than mine. I expect that his fleet is equal or greater than our combined fleets. I also strongly suspect he put them to use raiding Lannister lands yesterday.
3.) Stannis and I are both between 40-50K in gold, but he will accumulate money faster due to tithes.

I have a report from Chief with our totals but I hesitate to put that in this thread since that is liable to be spied upon.

[path12]

And getting back to what I was saying about services -- what are feelings about hiring a maester to scout a Kings army for us?

[murrayyyyy]

I wouldn't put any of our info up. As long as you know the totals I think we should keep our personal number secret.

[murrayyyyy]

I'm good with whatever you guys want to do, didn't want to sneak off for a private raid this early. I think a group that acts together is better than a rouge group to start out.

[path12]

I'm good with whatever you guys want to do, didn't want to sneak off for a private raid this early. I think a group that acts together is better than a rouge group to start out.

I agree but I also want you guys to have the freedom to act as you think best or if everyone isn't around to come to a group consensus -- I know that treachery can be part of this game but it is just easier for me to trust that we are all working for the same goal.

[fontisian]

Raiding is a major concern with Stannis. We could counter that by raiding him.

I don't want to break off ties with Lannister yet. Let's wait for Darth's return and figure out our standing with Stark.

[path12]

I hear the Starks have invited Tywin to their camp. I do not know whether to believe that or not.

We should talk about who we would like to approach with our PM's today.

I don't know whether or not to make the same offer we did with Clegane just because I suspect that whether the target is Lannister or Melisandre that their King will retain them.

Did not hear back from Varys yesterday except that he was busy and would try to get back when he had a chance.

My thought is that my PM will be one of three things: Stannis, Robb Stark (after we hear from the Hand) or a neutral that can get us info which I guess would be Littlefinger.

Though if we decide against Lannister I can offer Joffrey to bend the knee. That would be fun!

[path12]

Raiding is a major concern with Stannis. We could counter that by raiding him.

I don't want to break off ties with Lannister yet. Let's wait for Darth's return and figure out our standing with Stark.

Let's raid Stannis. I've got to run for a bit -- can you guys get me what you need in men and what land you want to target?

[path12]

OK, so judging by the main thread we are being spied on.

Better to be feared than not I guess. Sucks about Clegane but we got cash at least.

[fontisian]

I suspect that Stannis went after Clegane in the first place with this goal in mind. Cleganebend may still have the chance to flee if Stannis offers him the chance to bend the knee. We'll see.

Dragonstone lands:
King Stannis Baratheon (Autumn)-- Dragonstone (family home) (wealthy), Maidenpool (productive) and Duskendale (productive)
Ser Davos Seaworth (InBlue)-- Cape Wrath (family home) (poorest)
Ser Axell Florent (claphamsa)-- Brightwater Keep (family home) (wealthy)

Let's hit Maidenpool or Duskendale. They'll have closer to 15000 than 3000 men.

[fontisian]

Renly: I think you need to actually send us out to raid or capture. With the amount of men I have right now, I could overwhelm Cape Wrath. If we want a more ambitious target, I need about 10,000 more men.

[path12]

LEND BRIENNE OF TARTH 13,000 ADDITIONAL MEN (GET HER TO 20K)

BRIENNE OF TARTH RAIDS MAIDENPOOL

[path12]

I am leaning towards using my PM today to speak to Stannis. Any ideas?

[path12]

Tywin warned Stark that action against Jaime would ruin chances at negotiation. This must have been by PM since no emissaries have been sent.

You see Starks response in the main thread. What do we make of that?

[fontisian]

Looks like Stark is squaring off against Lannister and expecting Dragonstone and ourselves to help him. I hope they'll go to war on day 4, with stark using the intermediate period to weaken Lannister.

Stannis negotiations are going to be awkward after the raid. We'll call it retribution for ser Gregor.

[Darth Vilus]

Back now! So whats the down low?

[fontisian]

How did the talks with Stark go?

[Darth Vilus]

Just ok, he said he's willing to do a three way alliance until the lannisters are gone but he's not committing to anything after that. From what he's told me he's just focusing on the Lannisteres. Who knows what he is actually planning though

[Chief Rum]

You guys already know this, but...

Ser Cortay Penrose has returned to camp.

[path12]

Looks like Stark is squaring off against Lannister and expecting Dragonstone and ourselves to help him. I hope they'll go to war on day 4, with stark using the intermediate period to weaken Lannister.

Stannis negotiations are going to be awkward after the raid. We'll call it retribution for ser Gregor.

Has he killed him yet? I was going to ask him as a sign of good faith to turn him over.

[path12]

The thing about Stannis and Stark is that there hasn't been any emissary which makes me wonder how much of that is real.

Just judging by my communications so far I would find it hard to get a lot of negotiating done with just one PM/reply.

Clearly there is at least an agreement to focus on the Lannisters though.

[path12]

Catch up on the thread first Penrose, but I would like to get a PM report after our brief discussion this morning.

[Chief Rum]

fontisian has left the camp on an unknown errand. Presumeably, she is carrying out the public orders of King Renly to raid Maidenpool.

[path12]

fontisian has left the camp on an unknown errand. Presumeably, she is carrying out the public orders of King Renly to raid Maidenpool.

(OOC) Chief, did I order that correctly? Or could I have done that through a PM? Because if I could have that would have been my preference, I don't want the raid to necessarily be public (/OOC)

[Chief Rum]

(OOC) Chief, did I order that correctly? Or could I have done that through a PM? Because if I could have that would have been my preference, I don't want the raid to necessarily be public (/OOC)

Yes, you could have done that by PM. :D

[path12]

Shit. I guess it's too late now?

[path12]

Brienne, if you can be in this thread cancel your raid. I do not want to raid Stannis publicly yet for obvious reasons.

Chief, with Brienne off does that mean she cannot see this thread?

[path12]

Loras, do you have your PM available still? I know Penrose burned his and am not sure what Brienne's status is. Brienne, if you have yours available let me know -- I would like one of you to pass a message along for me but will detail it once I know your statuses.

Bannermen, feel free to vote your conscience. If that is Ser Jaime so be it.

[path12]

By the way, I have told Lord Tywin that though we will not be able to come to any agreements at this time and that we do not want to waste his time we are willing to keep the lines of communication open.

[murrayyyyy]

I have my PM avail. Figure it's better to save and use if we need another one like last night

[Chief Rum]

Brienne, if you can be in this thread cancel your raid. I do not want to raid Stannis publicly yet for obvious reasons.

Chief, with Brienne off does that mean she cannot see this thread?

Brienne can still see and communicate in the thread while raiding.

Raiding only happens at the end of the day, so you can still cancel that action. The raid is cancelled.

[fontisian]

Right, so I still have my pm and I think we should still raid.

[fontisian]

I would like to offer Ser Jaime the same deal as Ser Clegane, with the intention of actually going to capture him immediatly after he flees.

[fontisian]

The hell is Lathum doing?

[fontisian]

Send me on the raid.

[fontisian]

Lord Renly, I am pissed off and I want to act. Send me on the raid and approve my message to Ser Jaime.

[path12]

Lord Renly, I am pissed off and I want to act. Send me on the raid and approve my message to Ser Jaime.

Just got back. Let me take a look at the thread to see what is going on.

Had a reply from Tywin, obviously not pleased but there isn't much I can do about that right now.

[path12]

I told Stannis I would take the return or release of Clegane as a sign of goodwill. You see his response.

Brienne, you shall get your chance. Is there any reason I should not reply to Tywin that we will play this game with them for now?

[fontisian]

Much as I would like to take out my anger on Stannis, Stark worries me. It may still be better to unite against the Lannisters.

[path12]

Much as I would like to take out my anger on Stannis, Stark worries me. It may still be better to unite against the Lannisters.

We can make those choices later. You wished to raid a little bit ago. Do you still feel that way?

[fontisian]

Yes. Let's do it. Should I pm bholly?

[path12]

I will PM Chief.

For your and Loras' PM's -- I want one to go to a Stark saying that our argument with Stannis is not one against them.

[path12]

I would also like us to vote Melisandre.

[path12]

If we are going to do this we cannot weaken Lannister further, we will need him to either keep Stark busy or some of his ships against Stannis.

[murrayyyyy]

we both followed your vote.

[fontisian]

Right, Ill message Stark.

[fontisian]

Actually, murrayyyyy please contact Coffee. I'm still contacting bholly.

[path12]

Guys, this is gonna be fun no matter what happens now!

[murrayyyyy]

Are we wanting to raid two spots or one only?

[path12]

I am going to use the service that builds us ships.

[fontisian]

Send me on the raid path.

[path12]

Are we wanting to raid two spots or one only?

You want in? :devil:

[path12]

Send me on the raid path.

I have sent the PM to Chief.

[murrayyyyy]

I can contact Coffee. Is that how we want to use the PM?

saying that our argument with Stannis is not one against them.

[murrayyyyy]

I too would like to crush some head. After all, I'm a fighter...

[fontisian]

Damnit Darth.

Murrayy: please send the message to Coffee.

[path12]

I can contact Coffee. Is that how we want to use the PM?

saying that our argument with Stannis is not one against them.

Yes. Also say we can discuss more tomorrow.

[fontisian]

If Jaime is banished or flees, we need to be ready to capture him.

[path12]

Damnit Darth.

Murrayy: please send the message to Coffee.

I am checking to see if I can change his vote by proxy. I think he is at work.

[path12]

Fuck! I was thinking 7:30!

[murrayyyyy]

Yes. Also say we can discuss more tomorrow.

Done and done...

[murrayyyyy]

Fuck! I was thinking 7:30!

To be honest, so did I.

[path12]

That is frustrating. Loras, I PM'd for you to go out as well but don't know yet if it was too late, it was after 7.

[murrayyyyy]

Coffee responded positively.

[fontisian]

Great, he's probably hoping we'll kill each other.

[path12]

One good thing. Waiting to hear back on a couple things.

Grrr. You get a time in your head and it stays there. Though I did hear that since Darth put in the vote himself I couldn't have changed it.

[murrayyyyy]

You expect Coffee to respond differently? Told him we would be in contact tomorrow.

You have to respond with good to hear and understood in this game early on.

[fontisian]

Darth: Do not put an early vote in if you aren't going to be here at deadline.

[path12]

Loras, looks like you may be busy tonight.

[murrayyyyy]

Let's get it on!!!

[path12]

Darth: Do not put an early vote in if you aren't going to be here at deadline.

He was giving a signal to Stark. I frankly didn't expect Stannis to do what he did. We will see if he feels as comfortable after tonight.

[fontisian]

Permission to give some details on our connection with Ser Gregore in the thread?

[path12]

Permission to give some details on our connection with Ser Gregore in the thread?

Granted.

[path12]

Well. I'm actually pretty comfortable with Stannis as an enemy, especially with the not angry response from Stark and the recognition from Lannister that we were trying to move the vote.

I would love us to be thinking of strategies we can use tomorrow though.

It looks like we will be adding additional ships tonight. And we do have numbers on Stannis' army/ships/gold from our Lannister talks.

The interesting part is going to be who do we want to approach and with what tactic.

Like I said, fun!

[murrayyyyy]

Welp, hope nothing happens to all raiding players with the tie in voting...

[path12]

Yeah, didn't he say he was hoping for a tie? He'll probably drag it out too. :)

[path12]

Brienne, I like what you are doing in main thread. Keep trying to rile up people.

[fontisian]

Being genuinely pissed off helps. I'll see if I can bother Autumn.

[path12]

I will share with you the exact phrase I used to end my PM to Stannis today then -- don't quote it of course. This was the final paragraph.

I trust you are well and will give my regards to your lovely wife and daughter. One more thing. If you are planning to take the Mountain's head, maybe you could just send him to Storm's End instead? It is a gesture that would surely signal your friendly intentions.

Now, that seems pretty clear to me.

[path12]

Holy shit.

[path12]

Loras. As part of my role I am prohibited from killing you. We will take the honor hit if you choose to remain.

[path12]

Hi Gregor! Sorry we couldn't get you.

[fontisian]

I can't serve a dishonorable faction.

[path12]

Crap. What do you do if all four kings keep their people?

[fontisian]

Scratch that. I can't "join" a dishonorable faction. You're good.

[path12]

Scratch that. I can't "join" a dishonorable faction. You're good.

Oh man. You had me freaked.

[fontisian]

Our pm's just reset. Do you think it's worth contacting JAG or bulletsponge?

Stannis will actually have more honor points because he killed Gregor.

[path12]

Not yet.

How much do you think it would piss off the other kings to advertise that we would welcome anyone who chose to flee?

[path12]

Besides, I don't think JAG is going anywhere. bullet, who knows?

[fontisian]

How much would it piss you off?

[path12]

I think it would make me laugh.

[murrayyyyy]

Can you handle a honor hit for the rest of the game? It's that or I flee but if I flee I'm a sitting duck with a large army someone can take over, correct?

[fontisian]

We can purchase the service to restore your honor if necessary.

[path12]

Can you handle a honor hit for the rest of the game? It's that or I flee but if I flee I'm a sitting duck with a large army someone can take over, correct?

Can I be honest? I think I'm OK with the diplomacy stuff but these rules are killing me. I don't even know what the honor hit consists of.

Sigh. I'll go look, but I am pretty damn sure I want you on my team still.

[murrayyyyy]

Font may have the answer.

1) I beg for forgiveness,
2) You accept and take the hit
3) I give you 10000
4) You use the service of "give to the poor" based off: it provides you with honor bonuses and can help you overcome a bad reputation.

[path12]

This is what I see in the first rules post:

If the King does nothing and allows the bannerman to remain in his retinue, he will lose face and honor in the eyes of the kingdom. The actual effect is unclear, but what is clear is that kings who retain enemies of the realm in their retinue could be found lacking in comparison to the other kings when it comes time to judge who will be the King of Westeros.

I'm not scared of that. Do you think I should be?

[path12]

Font may have the answer.

1) I beg for forgiveness,
2) You accept and take the hit
3) I give you 10000
4) You use the service of "give to the poor" based off: it provides you with honor bonuses and can help you overcome a bad reputation.

I'm good with that.

[murrayyyyy]

should we PM to make sure all this works for a "wash". Just want to make sure we have the sequence of events listed in the right order.

I'm just lucky to have enough money to do this.

[path12]

should we PM to make sure all this works for a "wash". Just want to make sure we have the sequence of events listed in the right order.

I'm just lucky to have enough money to do this.

We had enough money anyway. Let's just say:

CHIEF, when you get a chance could you tell us if that process would work as we think it will?

[path12]

I think Brienne and Tywin have gotten under Stannis' skin a bit. Heh.

[path12]

Penrose, you missed out on some fun tonight.

Good job team Baratheon. Let's think of some things to try tomorrow. I'll check back before bed.

Who am I kidding. I'll check back a bunch of times before bed.

[Darth Vilus]

Wow seriously, I missed out on a bunch lol. Damn work

[Chief Rum]

We had enough money anyway. Let's just say:

CHIEF, when you get a chance could you tell us if that process would work as we think it will?

Keeping murrayyyyy will give you an honor hit. Spending money on the poor will give you an honor bonus. Murrayyyyy can do what he wants with his money, including giving it to you.

I don't have a rule set up to accept apologies. :D

[Chief Rum]

BRIENNE OF TARTH AND SER LORAS TYRELL BOTH LEAVE CAMP ON UNKNOWN ERRANDS.

[Chief Rum]

BRIENNE OF TARTH HAS RETURNED TO CAMP. SHE HAD A SUCCESSFUL RAID!

[Chief Rum]

SER LORAS TYRELL IS BACK IN CAMP. IT SEEMS HE DID NOT HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RAID.

HIS MEN WERE UNCERTAIN IN THEIR ACTIONS UNDER HIM BECAUSE HE IS CURRENTLY UNDER THE WEIGHT OF AN ENEMY OF THE REALM DECISION.

[Chief Rum]

Brienne's successful raid was on Maidenpool, and Loras's attempt at a raid was on Duskendale, both of the House Baratheon of Dragonstone.

[fontisian]

I think we should send an emissary to the Starks. Maybe one to Stannis or the Lannisters as well.

[fontisian]

Right, I'm back to thinking with a level head and I have an idea. We could unite against the Lannisters while working on an alliance with Stannis to blindside Stark.

[path12]

Right, I'm back to thinking with a level head and I have an idea. We could unite against the Lannisters while working on an alliance with Stannis to blindside Stark.

I would like to hear more details. I'm torn about how much more I want Brienne bickering in main thread until I know what you are thinking.

[path12]

murrayyyyy, how is your schedule today?

If we send out emissaries I want it to be Brienne and Loras because I would like to be able to keep up PM's with Penrose and out of this thread. This should be a big day for spies.

I will pardon Loras in main thread now.

[fontisian]

The broad idea is to continue working against Lannister right now with Stark and Stannis. In the meantime, we convice Stannis to work with us against Stark the moment Joffrey is out of power. We then overwelm Stark with Stannis' help, and then duke it out between the two of us. Stark may not see it coming because of the public argument with Stannis.

[path12]

The broad idea is to continue working against Lannister right now with Stark and Stannis. In the meantime, we convice Stannis to work with us against Stark the moment Joffrey is out of power. We then overwelm Stark with Stannis' help, and then duke it out between the two of us. Stark may not see it coming because of the public argument with Stannis.

Are you willing to parlay with Stannis today?

[fontisian]

Sure.

[murrayyyyy]

murrayyyyy, how is your schedule today?

If we send out emissaries I want it to be Brienne and Loras because I would like to be able to keep up PM's with Penrose and out of this thread. This should be a big day for spies.

I will pardon Loras in main thread now.

Semi busy with having to change out a manager of one of my stores today. I'll try to check in as much as I can.

[path12]

OK. I am sending you out somewhere, I just don't know where yet. I found out something very interesting, and hesitate to get specific in thread, but the wolf is not as dire as we think. We are the ones that others should be looking to ally with. Does that change your thinking?

[fontisian]

Would you prefer to unite with Stark against Stannis?

[path12]

Semi busy with having to change out a manager of one of my stores today. I'll try to check in as much as I can.

OK, whereever we decide is the main focus of our diplomatic attention Brienne will go to, and you will go somewhere where we need some (but fewer) messages sent -- probably Lannister.

Regardless, you guys need to keep your PM's in case you need to talk to me for now -- I will announce in main thread if I want you to get in touch with someone specific since you won't be able to check in here.

Just got notice of another PM. We'll figure out exactly where and what to talk about in a few minutes.

[path12]

OK. I believe I misread some information.

This will be done privately, but I am going to send Brienne to Stannis and Loras to Lannister. I want you both to try and get a commitment of some sort. We will negotiate in good faith, but we are going to be looking to take the best firm offer that is followed up with a sign of some sort.

With the Lannisters I am willing to go against either Stannis or Stark but prefer Stannis.

With Stannis I am willing to go against the Lannisters or against Stark but I am not making a first move there.

Save your PM's in case you need to present me with something but if you do give me as much info as possible about the entire dealings because I will only be able to give you one reply.

Let's also put some code words together to use in main thread:
If things are proceeding well -- "night"
If things are proceeding poorly -- "dear"
If we are going to need to move first -- "ocean" (likely need a followup PM at that point)
If we get a deal -- "bollocks" (shout out to Ser Gregor!)

Do not make any votes yet. And do not stay longer than the deadline.

I'll send the PM's in a bit but want to get your feedback first and also let me know if I am missing anything.

[fontisian]

Should I transfer the 20,000 men back before leaving?

[path12]

Should I transfer the 20,000 men back before leaving?

After seeing our daily report I already took them back. Sorry, should have mentioned that.

[path12]

Just remembered something I found interesting. When I was talking with Tywin I did offer him refuge if needed. And then it came up in main thread by Cersei.

Not sure exactly what to make of that, other than she apparently has people in the shadows as well.

[path12]

Should I transfer the 20,000 men back before leaving?

So no questions about your mission?

[Chief Rum]

Should I transfer the 20,000 men back before leaving?

This is funny because Brienne has no other troops of her own. So this comes off as her not noticing that every soldier of 20,000 up and left without telling her. :D

[path12]

This is funny because Brienne has no other troops of her own. So this comes off as her not noticing that every soldier of 20,000 up and left without telling her. :D

I like to think my Lady has eyes for none but me. :D

[path12]

Just waiting for you guys to check in that you are good to go, then I will send the PM's to Chief.

[path12]

Chief, we will donate to the poor.

[murrayyyyy]

I'm good with that plan, just let me know when to fire it off.

[murrayyyyy]

anyone in particular you want me to message?

[path12]

anyone in particular you want me to message?

You'll be an emissary to the Lannister camp. I imagine you'll be dealing with Joffrey. Chief will fill you in for sure.

Enjoy your talks! I'll send the PM to Chief now.

[path12]

Hello Cersei.

[Chief Rum]

Ser Loras Tyrell has left the camp on an unknown errand.

[path12]

Lady Brienne, I had to send you to Dragonstone as well but am sure you know how you want to play this -- I didn't want anyone to think we were just talking to Lannister.

Safe travels and have fun!

[Chief Rum]

Brienne of Tarth has left the camp on an unknown errand.

[path12]

Would anyone have a problem with a bulk proxy vote from us to show us as united?

[fontisian]

I'm back with a deal from Stannis.

The basics are:
1. If Tywin flees, we capture him and we send him to Stannis, Stannis will consider us allies and act accordingly by attacking the Starks after the Lannisters instead of us.

2. Stannis also consider a tranfer of lands or gold (or if we can think of something else) a sign of good will, but the transfer of Tywin would cement the alliance in his mind

2. Right now, Stanis want to focus on raiding Joffrey's wealthier lands (he'll raid King's Landing as it is open to the sea if we raid the landlocked Harrenhall) and on convincing Joffrey and his bannermen to bend the knee.

3. If we sent Stannis Tywin and continued to weaken the Lannisters with raids, he would be willing to be the first to declare war on the Lannisters and he will send us the first bannerman he captures afterwards.

4. We will consider the arrival of the next bannerman Stannis capture after we send Stannis Tywin a guarantee of our alliance.

5. Any votes for each other's bannerman (outside of a possible rouge bannerman) or raids are considered alliance breaking.

6. Should we send Stannis Tywin and Joffrey want to bend the knee to one of us, Stannis would try to ensure that Joffery bends the knee to us to ensure the balance of power. Should this occur, we would be expected to negotiate some transfer of land and wealth to maintain the balance.

7. If Tywin sends us gold before we capture him and transfer him to Stannis, Stannis is fine with us keeping it. He will have a problem if we recieve Tywin's gold and Tywin refuses to bend the knee to him.

What do you think?

I am fine with a group vote.

[path12]

Well done, Lady Brienne.

As you know, I've been meeting with Lord Karstark. My proposal to the Starks is this: If they vote out Melisandre, we will take out Jaime and Joffrey the following two days.

My thinking is that the Lannisters would certainly be up for a Melisandre vote today, and Stark would be able to talk Stannis into Lannister votes rather than us the next two. In a way we could grind them both between us.

I don't know what to make of all these Tywin rumors. That is a lot of smoke for no fire.

Stannis is a prickly sort, isn't he?

[path12]

But if we cannot vote enemies of the realm that certainly changes things.

And I am interested to hear of the talks with the Lannisters as well. I can't help but see it as a good thing that we don't appear to be getting outright rejected by anyone.

[fontisian]

Stannis appears be concerned that we will stab him in the back if he agrees to work with us.

[path12]

Stannis appears be concerned that we will stab him in the back if he agrees to work with us.

Well, I want to so I guess that is understandable. His navy and potential magic capabilities scare me.

But we are looking for the best deal. If this turns out to be it we will take it and honor it.

[path12]

Yay for talking in thread again! I traded a few PM's with the Hand but I missed our camp.

[path12]

So that I am clear, anything other than a Lannister vote today would drive Stannis away from this deal, right?

Did you set up any way to signal intentions in thread? If not no biggie, just wondering.

[fontisian]

Correct and ugh, I knew I was forgetting something. Though, for future reference, "ocean" is a terrible code word.

[path12]

Oh, the code words sucked in general. I did like the drop in the ocean line but then got confused with both the dear and night in the last one.

We'll work on those.

[fontisian]

We didn't have a code word for when things were going alright but not great, so I put the words for poor and good together and hoped you would figure it out.

[path12]

Ha! Clever! I did get the gist so it worked pretty well in the end.

Depending on what goes down here I am thinking of either you or Loras using your PM to signal Tywin about what we decide and also to express that even though I of course would never believe these rumors that he would always have a place at Storm's End.

Too much?

[path12]

Or Penrose might have one too, not sure about that. Penrose?

[path12]

Brienne, Loras, Penrose. A question. If you were in my place after what happened with Ser Gregor and Tywin Lannister somehow decided to come to our castle, would you turn him over to Stannis?

Because I am having trouble figuring out why on earth I would repay him killing the guy who was going to join us by sending him another guy who might possibly want to join us.

[Chief Rum]

Brienne of Tarth has returned to camp from her unknown errand.

[fontisian]

I think sending the bannerman to Stannis is worth it if we get a longterm alliance from the deal. Keep in mind that he has agreed to send a bannerman to us as part of his end of the bargain. Otherwise, I worry that if Tywin does end up joining us, Stark and Stannis will decide to work together against us.

I would like to use my pm to talk to Blue if we're considering Stannis' offer, because we're good friends irl and if she agrees to the alliance, I am fairly certain she won't betrary us.